DA vs ECNL What's the point? - Page 2 - Yappi Sports

Hoosier Parent · #31 03-23-17, 07:55 AM

Curious, in general, what level schools do CUP girls end up going to compared to OE girls?

coachg · #32 03-23-17, 08:10 AM

Here is the Cincinnati United List for you to review: http://www.cincinnatiunitedsoccer.co...ge-commitments

College Commitments
Class of 2017

Brooklyn Adair Wilmington
Erin Babcock Akron
Cam Belle Xavier University
Abby Brauning University of Cincinnati
Rachel Burgess Indiana University East
Emi Carlo University of Cincinnati
Alex Chittum Findlay University
Kiersten Clukey Campbellsville
Mitchell Colvin Ohio Northern
Kristin Dean Centre College
Devin Duhme Lander University
Shelby Elder Walsh University
Gabbie Fleming Anderson Univeristy
Tom Gallagher Cornell College
Joe Grimes Air Force Academy
Erica Hafer Walsh University
Jack Harper Hobart and William Smith Colleges
Ethan Hay Wright State
Jayde Hoffmann Capital
Nick Howell Walsh University
Kailey Ivins NKU
Mandi Kinsey Malone
Brooke Lindenschmidt Malone
Nate Logan Xavier University
Ian McInturf Kenyon College
Emily Moreno UC Clermont
Sierra Moss Florida International
Casey Murphy Mt. St. Joe
Brooke Radcliffe Tusculum College
Morgan Ramby Auburn
Kaitlyn Rhodes Hanover
Matt Scheper Capital University
Kateri Schoettinger Radford University
Grace Schuppe Memphis
Wil Shepherd Newberry College
Erik Sigman Drake University
Maddie Smitth DePauw
Adam Sweeney University of Southern Indiana
Nicole Visse Indiana University East
Emma VonLehman NKU
Grace Wilson Florida International

Class of 2018

Megan Bine Cleveland State
Adrianna Brewer University of Toledo
Cierra Crosby Cleveland State
Desiree Grubbs Miami University (OH)
Lexy Kidd University of Dayton
Kiana Klein University of Louisville
Madison Lindsay University of Cincinnati
Maeve Maloney University of Louisville
Chloe Masys Miami University (OH)
Annie Metzger University of Cincinnati
Taylor Nuncio University of Louisville
Olivia Popovich Xavier University
Saylor Jewell University of North Alabama
Mimi Stines University of Dayton
Ana Sulentic St. Joseph's
Laurin Uptegrove Winthrop

Class of 2019

Kennidy Belle Iowa State
Brittan Duncan Ohio State
Paige Elliott University of Minnesota
Eva Kiper Morehead State
Megan Oduyoye University of Missouri
Anna Podojil University of Arkansas
Jordyn Rhodes Indiana University
Olivia Scheper Xavier University

coachg · #33 03-23-17, 08:13 AM

coachg · #34 03-23-17, 08:14 AM

Any more questions or does this answer them all and put the question to bed?

2731 · #35 03-23-17, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by coachg

Any more questions or does this answer them all and put the question to bed?

To be fair... you don't have any Girls data for OE. And OE boys aren't exactly a regional powerhouse.

I still think CUP compares just fine... but the hole in the data can't be ignored.

Hoosier Parent · #36 03-23-17, 10:41 AM

Here is the list for OE's 2017's. I'd argue that what it lacks in quantity, it make in quality.

College Commitments
Abby McNamara (2017) - Wake Forest
Mikayla "Shey" Hampton (2017) - Northwestern University
Claire Fisher (2017) - University of Tennessee
Maddy Kim (2016) - Middle Tennessee State University
Olivia Brown (2017) - University of Dayton
Rachel Ernst (2017) - Kent State University
Talia Brown (2017) - Bowling Green State University
Paige Knorr (2017) - Ohio University
Katie Shaffer (2017) - Eastern Kentucky University
Grace Poncsak (2017) - Ohio State University
Courtney Jones (2017) - Clemson University
Lauren Parker (2018) - Miami (OH) University
Abigail Mathews (2017) - Ohio Northern University
Riley Shelton (2017) - Savannah College of Art & Design
Ellie Vandergriff (2017) - Bellarmine University
Khyla Porter (2018) - Villanova University
Casey Jervier (2017) - University of Chicago
Sydney Leshnak (2017) - Ohio Northern University
Jenna Prathapa (2017) - Cleveland State University

coachg · #37 03-23-17, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoosier Parent

Here is the list for OE's 2017's. I'd argue that what it lacks in quantity, it make in quality.

College Commitments
Abby McNamara (2017) - Wake Forest
Mikayla "Shey" Hampton (2017) - Northwestern University
Claire Fisher (2017) - University of Tennessee
Maddy Kim (2016) - Middle Tennessee State University
Olivia Brown (2017) - University of Dayton
Rachel Ernst (2017) - Kent State University
Talia Brown (2017) - Bowling Green State University
Paige Knorr (2017) - Ohio University
Katie Shaffer (2017) - Eastern Kentucky University
Grace Poncsak (2017) - Ohio State University
Courtney Jones (2017) - Clemson University
Lauren Parker (2018) - Miami (OH) University
Abigail Mathews (2017) - Ohio Northern University
Riley Shelton (2017) - Savannah College of Art & Design
Ellie Vandergriff (2017) - Bellarmine University
Khyla Porter (2018) - Villanova University
Casey Jervier (2017) - University of Chicago
Sydney Leshnak (2017) - Ohio Northern University
Jenna Prathapa (2017) - Cleveland State University

So what do you mean by your statement of - " I'd argue that what it lacks in quantity, it make in quality."?

coachg · #38 03-23-17, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by 2731

To be fair... you don't have any Girls data for OE. And OE boys aren't exactly a regional powerhouse.

I still think CUP compares just fine... but the hole in the data can't be ignored.

Thats because OE either hasnt posted it or I cant find it on their website.

Hoosier Parent · #39 03-23-17, 11:45 AM

In that huge list of players you posted, the majority are D2 and D3.
I didn't see any power 5 conferences, unless the Big East counts (2 going to Xavier). Just perusing the list I see about 10 D1's on the whole list.

The short OE 2017 list has 5 girls going to 'Power 5" schools, 6 if Big East counts, and 13 D1's

Info is easy to find if you look on the OE site:
http://www.ohioelite.com/girlsteams/...tml?1490286916

In fairness, I think CUP's 18's and 19's have a more visually impressive recruiting accolades than their 17's.

I don't actually mean to disparage CUP. Their record is pretty incredible and I don't see any other club having that broad level of success in the National League. I have no doubt they would hold their own in the ECNL.

I asked about the recuiting because I happened to notice on TopDrawer that the listed CUP commits didn't seem as high as the Ohio ECNL clubs.

Conan73 · #40 03-23-17, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoosier Parent

In that huge list of players you posted, the majority are D2 and D3.
I didn't see any power 5 conferences, unless the Big East counts (2 going to Xavier). Just perusing the list I see about 10 D1's on the whole list.

The short OE 2017 list has 5 girls going to 'Power 5" schools, 6 if Big East counts, and 13 D1's

Info is easy to find if you look on the OE site:
http://www.ohioelite.com/girlsteams/...tml?1490286916

In fairness, I think CUP's 18's and 19's have a more visually impressive recruiting accolades than their 17's.

I don't actually mean to disparage CUP. Their record is pretty incredible and I don't see any other club having that broad level of success in the National League. I have no doubt they would hold their own in the ECNL.

I asked about the recuiting because I happened to notice on TopDrawer that the listed CUP commits didn't seem as high as the Ohio ECNL clubs.

To me, the message is that if a player is good enough to play for OE's ECNL team or a CUP Gold team, they are good enough to play D1, D2, or D3 college soccer. After everything is said and done, that's what's most important. Those players will have achieved something that 91% of all high school girls playing soccer were not able to achieve. They have the chance to continuing playing the beautiful game at a competitive level for 4 more years.

Also, when you look at the list from both schools, one should be careful about drawing the conclusion that these two clubs were solely responsible for developing the girls on their respective lists. I know of multiple players that on those lists that moved to those clubs after they committed to their respective colleges, or were already having conversations with said college before changing clubs.

Hoosier Parent · #41 03-23-17, 08:11 PM

Jefferson Cup U16 top bracket this weekend is pretty much ECNL vs National League.
https://events.gotsport.com/events/r...r=Girls&Age=16

Upper 90 · #42 03-24-17, 09:56 AM

I posted this on another thread but I thought it refreshing to see some acknowledgement of a players journey through various clubs and some great coaches. We are fortunate to have some good ones at just about every club out there.

http://www.ohioelite.com/home/930644.html

Hoosier Parent · #43 03-24-17, 11:17 AM

PDA 2001 (mediocre ECNL team so far) beat CUP Gold 2001 4-2

Bucknut3 · #44 03-24-17, 12:26 PM

More NL vs ECNL tomorrow when McClean ECNL plays CUP and TFA plays Richmond United ECNL.

Irwin20 · #45 03-24-17, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucknut3

More NL vs ECNL tomorrow when McClean ECNL plays CUP and TFA plays Richmond United ECNL.

Is TFA in the NL?

Hoosier Parent · #46 03-24-17, 02:43 PM

Yeah the 2001's

Hoosier Parent · #47 03-24-17, 07:33 PM

PDA's 01's are 0W-1L-2T's this year in the ECNL and overall. (After the age change).

ECNL 3-0 vs National League so far.

So far ECNL vs NL:
PDA (ECNL) 4 - CUP Gold (NL) 2
Albertson (ECNL) 4 - 1776 FC United Extreme (NL) 2
Penn Fusion (ECNL) 3 - BRYC Elite Academy (NL) 1

On the other hand:
SJEB (No league affiliation) 2 - Bethesda (ECNL)0

Other scores:
TFA (NL) 0 - NJ Stallions Academy 0
McLean (ECNL) 3 - South Shore Select 2

https://events.gotsport.com/events/r...r=Girls&Age=16

Hoosier Parent · #48 03-24-17, 09:12 PM

sebbyb, just to troll you and coachg a little more:
U19 ECNL 1/ NL 0 (ECNL 4-2 overall)
U18 No ECNL teams
U17 ECNL 2/ NL 0/ 2 Ties (ECNL 3W/0L/2T Overall)
U16 ECNL 3/ NL 0 (ECNL 5W/2L/2T Overall)
U15 No ECNL vs NL comparison (ECNL 0/0/1T Overall)

And for the Coachg/sebbyb Day 1 ECNL/NL Finale:
ECNL 6/NL 0/ 2Ties
ECNL 12W/4L/5T Overall

More results tomorrow

CitrusCrunch · #49 03-24-17, 11:38 PM

in coachg defense i think cup gold is pretty banged up

Hoosier Parent · #50 03-25-17, 07:14 AM

Makes sense. I get that it's a showcase, everybody plays. There's plenty of good reasons not to take a game or a weekend's results too seriously. I'd be curious to see if any club has as much National League success as CUP.

None the less it is an opportunity to get a snapshot of the ECNL vs NL comparison. Is the NPL in that conversation? Anecdotally they seemed to have a better record against ECNL.

Hoosier Parent · #51 03-25-17, 10:44 AM

Fair enough, I humbly the score if and when she does

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CitrusCrunch · #52 03-25-17, 01:53 PM

dont know much about mclean reckon they are good

soccer21stcentury · #53 03-25-17, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sebbyb

If PDA is as good as I think they are, the CUP result is not a bad one.
Top ECNL teams will almost always beat top USYSA teams.
I guess you need cross tournaments to figure that out.

I can tell your lil Mia has never played a PDA team.

Come on out on 4/2!

Girl's ECNL ID Center | April 2nd

Elite Clubs National League

Ohio Elite Soccer Academy is hosting an identification center on Sunday, April 2, at Seven Hills School Lower Turf. ECNL identification centers are open to all girls from any club interested in participating in the ECNL for the 2017-18 seasonal year. The ECNL is the proven top girls youth soccer league in the United States. This is not a tryout.

Seven Hills School Lower Turf | 5400 Red Bank Rd. | Cincinnati, OH

Age Groups/Times:
2002 (U15/16) GIRLS | 12:00-1:30pm
2001 (U16/17) GIRLS | 12:00-1:30pm
2000 (U17/18) GIRLS | 1:30-3:00pm
1999 (U18/19) GIRLS | 1:30-3:00pm
Players wear: Dark Top, Dark Bottom, Dark Socks

In 2016 and 2017 over 2,600 ECNL grads went on to play collegiate soccer. In the 2016 Women's College Cup 78 ECNL alums represented the four teams. National Champion USC featured 22 ECNL alums. Most impressively, in the 2017 NWSL Draft 30 of the 40 players selected were ECNL alums. The ECNL is the proven pathway to college and the pros.

Hoosier Parent · #54 03-25-17, 05:13 PM

Citrus, McLean is a beast at 01. (#2 ECNL) They and the 00's play a distinct/ disciplined style that I'd not seen before. They beat the OE 01's 6-1 (1-1 at half, 5 goals in the last 25 mins).

I think it exploits certain teams. Their regional rivals seem used to it and adjust accordingly.

Hoosier Parent · #55 03-25-17, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoosier Parent

Citrus, McLean is a beast at 01. (#2 ECNL) They and the 00's play a distinct/ disciplined style that I'd not seen before. They beat the OE 01's 6-1 (1-1 at half, 5 goals in the last 25 mins).

I think it exploits certain teams. Their regional rivals seem used to it and adjust accordingly.

Oh yeah, McLean scored 4 or 5 headers, in the second half vs OE.

lovesallsports · #56 03-25-17, 06:22 PM

CUP's 01's are missing a few players and a few are hurt so not a true picture of that team.

lovesallsports · #57 03-25-17, 06:23 PM

I know the 00's can compete with ECNL teams. Would love to see the new 02 CUP team play some top ECNL teams again.

Hoosier Parent · #58 03-25-17, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by lovesallsports

I know the 00's can compete with ECNL teams. Would love to see the new 02 CUP team play some top ECNL teams again.

When did 02 Golds play Top ECNL teams? I see they beat Indy Fire 2-0 last November and lost to the Internationals 4-3.

Tonight's Jefferson Cup results
U15 ECNL-1 NL-0 ECNL Ovrl 6W/1L/1T
U16 ECNL-4 NL-0 2 Ties ECNL Ovrl 6W/0L/5T
U17 ECNL-2 NL-2 ECNL Ovrll 7W/5L/0T
U19 ECNL-1 NL-1 1 Ties ECNL Ovrl 7W/1L/1T
__________________________________________________ ___________
ECNL 8 NL-1 3 Ties ECNL 26W/7L/5T

What's interesting is the NPL's seems to be having a better record vs ECNL

lovesallsports · #59 03-25-17, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoosier Parent

When did 02 Golds play Top ECNL teams? I see they beat Indy Fire 2-0 last November and lost to the Internationals 4-3.

Tonight's Jefferson Cup results

U15 ECNL-1 NL-0 ECNL Ovrl 6W/1L/1T

U16 ECNL-4 NL-0 2 Ties ECNL Ovrl 6W/0L/5T

U17 ECNL-2 NL-2 ECNL Ovrll 7W/5L/0T

U19 ECNL-1 NL-1 1 Ties ECNL Ovrl 7W/1L/1T

__________________________________________________ ___________

ECNL 8 NL-1 3 Ties ECNL 26W/7L/5T

What's interesting is the NPL's seems to be having a better record vs ECNL

The O2's were missing their National team players when they lost to Nationals. Not a fair showing.

CitrusCrunch · #60 03-26-17, 09:04 AM

sometimes ya gotta be stronger than your excuses