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View Poll Results: Who wins the series: Yankees vs Indians
Yankees in 3 0 0%
Yankees in 4 0 0%
Yankees in 5 3 20.00%
Indians in 3 3 20.00%
Indians in 4 7 46.67%
Indians in 5 2 13.33%
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Old 10-06-17, 05:53 PM
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Tough start for Kluber. Almost 40 pitches in the first inning. Umpire's strikezone seems a little small. Defense lets him down to make him throw more pitches (even though they didn't score).

Seems the Yankees hitters aren't fooled by Kluber's pitching today. They hit several hard foul balls.
At most times, yes. A few random expansions at times. Not a consistent zone.
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Old 10-06-17, 06:18 PM
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He must be drunk. The ump. Certainly not 1227.
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Old 10-06-17, 07:29 PM
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A hot Jay Bruce is an unstoppable force.
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Old 10-06-17, 07:42 PM
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Great comeback
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Old 10-06-17, 09:19 PM
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A truly incredible team
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Old 10-06-17, 09:30 PM
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Yaaaaaaa take that Yankees

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Old 10-06-17, 10:00 PM
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I didn't get to see most of the game but this was one of those crucial games. Once it got into extra innings and the pitching staffs started getting this, winning the game became extra important.

If the Yankees would have won, it would have given them some confidence, they would have had home-field advantage, and I'm not sure how the Indians staff would be assembled the rest of the series.

With the Indians win, the Yankees have no margin for error and every decision will be second guessed from here on out (they are already questioning removing CC in this game).

Very happy the Indians are up 2-0. It would be great to finish the series with a sweep and get everyone back on track for their pitching rotation.
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Old 10-06-17, 10:37 PM
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Stupid me, I had written this game off. I agree its important to keep the pressure on the Yanks.
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Old 10-06-17, 10:41 PM
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I didn't get to see most of the game but this was one of those crucial games. Once it got into extra innings and the pitching staffs started getting this, winning the game became extra important.

If the Yankees would have won, it would have given them some confidence, they would have had home-field advantage, and I'm not sure how the Indians staff would be assembled the rest of the series.

With the Indians win, the Yankees have no margin for error and every decision will be second guessed from here on out (they are already questioning removing CC in this game).

Very happy the Indians are up 2-0. It would be great to finish the series with a sweep and get everyone back on track for their pitching rotation.
Removing CC AND the no-challenge of Chisenhall's HBP would have cost Girardi his job if George Steinbrenner was still alive......George would have ended up with Jay Bruce, too

Torre lost the job after losing to the Tribe, and this Joe might still.
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Old 10-07-17, 06:07 AM
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Great win I was following it even nordonia won.
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Old 10-07-17, 06:20 AM
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What a game. Sad to lose Edwin in the process but nice luxury to have Brantley waiting there to fill in
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Old 10-07-17, 06:23 AM
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Cleveland indians showed heart last night.
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Old 10-07-17, 08:10 AM
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A hot Jay Bruce is an unstoppable force.
No doubt. The streakiest player I can ever remember following. When he’s hot he seriously rakes.
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Old 10-07-17, 09:08 AM
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Many former Redlegs in this series.

How about the shot of Todd Frazier throwing his cup of water at the dugout wall when the guy sent in to pinch run for him gets hosed by Gomes at second ?
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Old 10-07-17, 09:10 AM
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anyone else ?
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Old 10-07-17, 09:23 AM
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Yaaaaaaa take that Yankees

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Found this board this morning...... schadenfreude, anyone ?


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The goat=Girardi, and no one else...the rest of the team did their best...Girardi's job is to question every single pitch...to miss the most important call of the game, which eventually cost the Yankees the victory (and more then likely the series) is unpardonable...that's his job...he's not paid to hit, he's not paid to pitch, he's paid to make sure the machine runs smoothly...when a screw falls out of the machine, he's supposed to stop the machine and replace that screw, not let the machine continue, while that screw is on the floor, and by not questioning that call, that's exactly what he did...He cost the Yankees the game, and more than likely the series.

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"Sorry to say, I miss the game from the point we went up 8-3, went to our local highschool football game, I have it taped but haven't watched it yet.. When the foul tip happened, how many outs were there ?? I think there was one out when they took CC out, and would that foul tip happend, I did see the replay several times, Sanchez caught the tip, how many strikes did they have on the batter ?? If some one could fill me in, thank you..."



There were 2 outs, 2 on and 2 strikes on the batter when the foul tip happened. In other words, had Girardi challenged the call, the replay, which clearly showed the ball never hit the batter, but instead hit the handle of the bat and was caught cleanly by Sanchez, the inning would be over, and the Yankees would still be leading 8-3...THAT is the game our manager lost for us last night.

Smug Yankee fans always want to deny it when they get straight-up beaten, but they really did beat themselves last night. A free base and essentially a "no thanks" for the third out of the inning for a ball off the knob that would have been a caught foul tip 3rd strike going unchallenged is pretty sad when a grand slam follows it.

"Pitcher's rhythm"

Joe looked flummoxed in many dugout shots all night.

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Old 10-07-17, 09:23 AM
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anyone else ?
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Upon closer examination, it appears the ball did actually hit his hand first. Not to say they wouldn't have overturned it with the video they had available at the time, so still a bad decision by Girardi.

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Old 10-07-17, 12:18 PM
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It’s hard to believe that actually hit him watching the replay last night.
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Old 10-07-17, 12:44 PM
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Upon closer examination, it appears the ball did actually hit his hand first. Not to say they wouldn't have overturned it with the video they had available at the time, so still a bad decision by Girardi.

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Interesting

At every game I've been at in which a player was hit in the hand(s) in youth and HS ball, the rules considered them "part of the bat" and as such, merely a foul ball. I don't know if MLB is different.

Due to the fact that Chisenhall did not swing and the deflected-by-bat ball did not rise above the catcher's shoulders, the best case for Cleveland after review would likely have been the same as a common foul ball.
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Old 10-07-17, 12:54 PM
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Interesting

At every game I've been at in which a player was hit in the hand(s) in youth and HS ball, the rules considered them "part of the bat" and as such, merely a foul ball. I don't know if MLB is different.

Due to the fact that Chisenhall did not swing and the deflected-by-bat ball did not rise above the catcher's shoulders, the best case for Cleveland after review would likely have been the same as a common foul ball.
That's not the way I have ever seen it. When you swing, the hands can be considered part of the bat. If you don't swing, it's a HBP. Usually, the argument I had to make with the umpires was when a kid swung and they still called it a HBP.

And I would have definitely challenged that play. It was a chance at an out. I think Girardi was confused thinking that the only difference would have been Chisenhall back up to bat with two strikes rather than getting the out on the caught third strike.
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Hands are not part of the bat, even in LL. If swinging the ball is considered dead and the pitch is considered a strike (not a foul). If the batter isn’t swinging, they are awarded first base if the umpire determines they were trying to avoid the pitch.
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That's not the way I have ever seen it. When you swing, the hands can be considered part of the bat. If you don't swing, it's a HBP. Usually, the argument I had to make with the umpires was when a kid swung and they still called it a HBP.

And I would have definitely challenged that play. It was a chance at an out. I think Girardi was confused thinking that the only difference would have been Chisenhall back up to bat with two strikes rather than getting the out on the caught third strike.
That^ had to be Little League.

1 Nations, 1 USSSA, 2 Indy travel tournaments, and 1 OHSAA have all called hands part of the bat with no swings taken. Been there, seen it - and much arguing as well, rule books out, etc. Just take another hack.
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Hands are not part of the bat, even in LL. If swinging the ball is considered dead and the pitch is considered a strike (not a foul). If the batter isn’t swinging, they are awarded first base if the umpire determines they were trying to avoid the pitch.
Been to many youth baseball games ? Wouldn't that be lacrosse or club soccer season for little _posers ?
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That^ had to be Little League.

1 Nations, 1 USSSA, 2 Indy travel tournaments, and 1 OHSAA have all called hands part of the bat with no swings taken. Been there, seen it - and much arguing as well, rule books out, etc.
OHSAA definitely does not consider the hands part of the bat.
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Been to many youth baseball games ? Wouldn't that be lacrosse or club soccer season for little _posers ?
I played baseball through high school, so do my sons.
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Cabadabo acting like he’s right when he clearly doesn’t kno the rule.
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Old 10-07-17, 02:23 PM
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Cabadabo acting like he’s right when he clearly doesn’t kno the rule.
Homeschool league rules I guess are different, but I can promise you knothole, litttle League, ohsaa/nfhs, NCAA and mlb do NOT consider the hand a part of the bat.
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That^ had to be Little League.

1 Nations, 1 USSSA, 2 Indy travel tournaments, and 1 OHSAA have all called hands part of the bat with no swings taken. Been there, seen it - and much arguing as well, rule books out, etc. Just take another hack.
Not only are the hands not part of the bat, swinging at a pitch and hitting it off of your hands is actually a called strike (even if the ball goes fair).

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7.3.4 SITUATION B: B1 is at bat with a three-ball, two-strike count. He swings at the next pitch and the ball hits his right fist and, without contacting the bat, goes into foul territory. F2 retrieves the ball and throws to F3 who is covering first base and tags B1 with the ball. RULING: As soon as the ball hit the batter it became dead. B1 is declared out. To have the play ruled a foul ball, the ball would have to have hit the bat of B1 before it touched his hand.
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