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Old 12-03-18, 08:32 AM
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The Reds do not, I repeat, do not have a current centerfielder. I can only guess they are going to go get one via free agency. When you have a team the the pitching problems we do, allowing your best defensive player to walk makes little sense. Now, the Reds CAN resign him at a lower cost if they want.

Billy remains one of the most exciting players in the game, I just can't figure this one out.
LOL. I've explained it to you 1000 times. Here are some simple equations for you to study:

Elite defense + no offense = no value in MLB.

Average defense + average offense = some value.

Average defense + above average offense = more value.

Does that help? Sad that it took the Reds so long to figure it out. As stated above, Billy will help someone as a late inning defensive replacement and pinch runner. But he can't play every day, and a pay cut is coming.
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Old 12-03-18, 04:52 PM
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LOL. I've explained it to you 1000 times. Here are some simple equations for you to study:

Elite defense + no offense = no value in MLB.

Average defense + average offense = some value.

Average defense + above average offense = more value.

Does that help? Sad that it took the Reds so long to figure it out. As stated above, Billy will help someone as a late inning defensive replacement and pinch runner. But he can't play every day, and a pay cut is coming.
If the overall offensive contributions of the centerfielder was directly related to winning/ losing, I'd agree with you. But it doesn't. He's one of 8 position players, and he was batting at the bottom of the order. Our problems have more to do with the production of our corner outfielders. Oh well...
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Old 12-03-18, 05:17 PM
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If the overall offensive contributions of the centerfielder was directly related to winning/ losing, I'd agree with you. But it doesn't. He's one of 8 position players, and he was batting at the bottom of the order. Our problems have more to do with the production of our corner outfielders. Oh well...
Well, seeing as the Reds couldnít trade him to any other team and released him, itís pretty obvious every baseball guy that matters disagrees with you.
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Old 12-03-18, 06:37 PM
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Old 12-03-18, 06:46 PM
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Interesting concept using a valuable asset to dump an underwater contract....
The Cano/Diaz trade suggests they are in win-now mode.

Trading Thor does not. I would've expected doing one not the other.
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Old 12-03-18, 09:23 PM
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The Cano/Diaz trade suggests they are in win-now mode.

Trading Thor does not. I would've expected doing one not the other.
It depends on how much money they are willing to spend. They still have holes at catcher, 3B, CF, corner outfield and bullpen (probably 3 more relievers). Thor could bring back 3-4 of those pieces.

The Cano deal is costing the Mets about $1.5M in salary this year. Not anything to get excited about. The real key is when are the Mariners sending $20M to the Mets?
Conventional wisdom would say in a couple of years they'll send $6-$7M a year for 3 years to pay down Cano's less productive years but what if the Mariners who expect to contend in 2-3 years and have cleared nearly $100M off the books already said they would rather pay the $20M this year? That would free up payroll for them when they expect to compete again. It would also give a huge influx of cash to the Mets to add to their war chest for this season and next. Some had the Mets increasing payroll this year by $25M. Add another $20M and they may be able to plug those holes without moving Syndergaard.

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Old 12-04-18, 11:29 AM
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If the overall offensive contributions of the centerfielder was directly related to winning/ losing, I'd agree with you. But it doesn't. He's one of 8 position players, and he was batting at the bottom of the order. Our problems have more to do with the production of our corner outfielders. Oh well...
The overall offensive contributions matter from every position except pitcher.
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Old 12-04-18, 02:44 PM
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As of now, what are your predictions for a starting 9 and pitching rotation?

I'm sure we will add pieces this winter... so as of right now
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Old 12-04-18, 04:07 PM
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As of now, what are your predictions for a starting 9 and pitching rotation?

I'm sure we will add pieces this winter... so as of right now
Opening Day lineup:
Nick Senzel LF
Joey Votto 1B
Eugenio Saurez 3B
Scooter Gennet 2B
Scott Schebler CF
Jesse Winker RF
Jose Peraza SS
Tucker Barnhart C

SP..... To be acquired.
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Old 12-05-18, 10:57 AM
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^ I support that lineup.

But I wouldn't be surprised if SP = Disco or Castillo. Hoping for a better pickup, but not expecting it. Corbin to the Nats. What an embarrassment of riches they have in the rotation.
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^ I support that lineup.

But I wouldn't be surprised if SP = Disco or Castillo. Hoping for a better pickup, but not expecting it. Corbin to the Nats. What an embarrassment of riches they have in the rotation.
Careful 14red may take this as SP isnt that important bc they missed the playoffs....
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Old 12-05-18, 11:09 AM
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^ I support that lineup.

But I wouldn't be surprised if SP = Disco or Castillo. Hoping for a better pickup, but not expecting it. Corbin to the Nats. What an embarrassment of riches they have in the rotation.
I would assume that means bye bye Bryce, though.
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Old 12-05-18, 04:07 PM
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Opening Day lineup:
Nick Senzel LF
Joey Votto 1B
Eugenio Saurez 3B
Scooter Gennet 2B
Scott Schebler CF
Jesse Winker RF
Jose Peraza SS
Tucker Barnhart C

SP..... To be acquired.
Looks reasonable, although Iíd probably switch Winker and Senzel in that order.
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Old 12-05-18, 04:26 PM
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Looks reasonable, although Iíd probably switch Winker and Senzel in that order.
I went with Senzel at the top simply because Winker is more of a base clogger. When Votto hits to left center I want a guy who can get to third. I think Senzel can do that. There's no way Winker can.

My guess is that this lineup is more like May 1st than opening day. The Reds will likely keep Senzel down for a month to save Super2 status.
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Old 12-05-18, 04:38 PM
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What if the Reds went with a very untraditional pitching staff? Let's say you use Lorenzen as your opener 3 times a week and he pitches 2-3 innings (40 or less pitches each outing) followed by Romano for 2 innings and Reed for 2 innings and Mahle for 2 innings.

The next game you use Iglesias for 2 innings, Disco for 2,
Castillo for 3 and Eovaldi (or another acquisition). Each group could pitch maybe 3 times a week. You hold Hughes and Hernandez in reserve as your "Fire extinguisher" in case one of your pitchers gets in trouble.

With a 12 man staff you'd have 2 reserve pitchers for extra innings and/or that 7th game in a week. Is this a realistically viable option for 162 games?

What are the Pros and Cons?

P.S. this is a spin off of EP's suggestion last season.
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Old 12-05-18, 05:36 PM
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I went with Senzel at the top simply because Winker is more of a base clogger. When Votto hits to left center I want a guy who can get to third. I think Senzel can do that. There's no way Winker can.

My guess is that this lineup is more like May 1st than opening day. The Reds will likely keep Senzel down for a month to save Super2 status.
I don’t think the reds will put Senzel at leadoff. They will put him deeper in the lineup, as they should, to alleviate the pressure on a rookie. I also think he has the potential to develop into a run producer with a power stroke like Suarez.
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Old 12-05-18, 05:52 PM
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I donít think the reds will put Senzel at leadoff. They will put him deeper in the lineup, as they should, to alleviate the pressure on a rookie. I also think he has the potential to develop into a run producer with a power stroke like Suarez.
If that's the case, and I have no problem with that, then I'd put Schebler in the lead off instead of Winker.
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Old 12-05-18, 06:42 PM
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I’d put Winker over schebler on the basis of a much higher obp (winker’s is 70 pats higher).
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Old 12-05-18, 08:06 PM
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Iíd put Winker over schebler on the basis of a much higher obp (winkerís is 70 pats higher).
Any thoughts on the pitching?
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Old 12-06-18, 06:59 AM
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Any thoughts on the pitching?
Reds pitching will be epically bad.
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Old 12-06-18, 09:01 AM
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Rebuilds Iím Baseball are brutal. Itís going to be another 2, probably 3 years before theyíre even talked about as being a potential playoff team.
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Old 12-06-18, 12:19 PM
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Goldschmidt to the Cards ruined my evening. I have no illusions about the Reds winning the division, but can't stand seeing the Cards win.

Arizona seems like they have decided that they aren't spending big to be mediocre. They may go full melt down like the Astros did. Can Grienke be far behind?
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Old 12-06-18, 12:21 PM
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I'm all about OBP at the top of the lineup. If we wanted a fast guy, we had that guy. I could support the concept of easing Senzel in, less pressure batting 6 than 1. In that case I'd put Winker/Votto 1-2 in no particular order.
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Old 12-06-18, 01:08 PM
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I'm all about OBP at the top of the lineup. If we wanted a fast guy, we had that guy. I could support the concept of easing Senzel in, less pressure batting 6 than 1. In that case I'd put Winker/Votto 1-2 in no particular order.
I donít think Senzel is an especially high obp guy anyway.
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Old 12-06-18, 03:11 PM
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Goldschmidt to the Cards ruined my evening. I have no illusions about the Reds winning the division, but can't stand seeing the Cards win.

Arizona seems like they have decided that they aren't spending big to be mediocre. They may go full melt down like the Astros did. Can Grienke be far behind?
Think about how many NFL teams have risen and declined (Vice versa) since the Reds were last in the playoffs in 2014. It’s hard being a fan of a bad MLB team bc there’s no fast turn arounds unless you’re the Yankees or Red Sox. Didn’t the Royals go close to 30 yrs without making the playoffs? The Browns have the longest playoff drought in the NFL and it’s about half that long.
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Old 12-06-18, 05:14 PM
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I donít think Senzel is an especially high obp guy anyway.
In 3 years in the minors, Senzel has a .390 OBP.
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Old 12-10-18, 12:25 PM
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Baseball winter meetings, should be some good things to post this week!
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Baseball winter meetings, should be some good things to post this week!
Billy Hamilton to the Royals, who had 58 wins last season. This move should get them playoff bound.
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Old 12-10-18, 04:59 PM
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In 3 years in the minors, Senzel has a .390 OBP.
Yeah, roughly 370ish in AAA, not bad. I still think his value is more as a run producer like Suarez vs a table setter.
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Yeah, roughly 370ish in AAA, not bad. I still think his value is more as a run producer like Suarez vs a table setter.
Very likely, either way as long as he is in the lineup daily.
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