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Old 11-06-18, 12:28 PM
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Old 11-06-18, 12:54 PM
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Not sure about anyone else, but I’m crossing my fingers the reds can sign billy on the cheap. That would be awesome cause it would solidify the #9 hitter position in the line-up.
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Old 11-06-18, 04:46 PM
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Not sure about anyone else, but Iím crossing my fingers the reds can sign billy on the cheap. That would be awesome cause it would solidify the #9 hitter position in the line-up.
Not sure how the years of service deal works, but Billy may not be able to be signed on the cheap. Many major leaguers price themselves out of jobs as they get older. At this point, with the way our organization is set up, Billy is the perfect 9 hole hitter and centerfielder.
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Old 11-06-18, 05:55 PM
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Heís easily a top 10 9 spot hitter in the NL. Worth every penny we bought have to pay him.
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Old 11-06-18, 08:47 PM
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Not sure how the years of service deal works, but Billy may not be able to be signed on the cheap. Many major leaguers price themselves out of jobs as they get older. At this point, with the way our organization is set up, Billy is the perfect 9 hole hitter and centerfielder.
Service time only matters when going to arbitration. Players can agree to any contract they want before or after arbitration.
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Old 11-07-18, 08:00 AM
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Best defensive centerfielder cant even get a gold glove...or get on base.
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Old 11-07-18, 09:17 AM
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Best defensive centerfielder cant even get a gold glove...or get on base.
Or steal bases. Iím going to sell ďMake Billy Steal AgainĒ hats this year. MBSA!
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Old 11-07-18, 10:58 AM
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Not sure how the years of service deal works, but Billy may not be able to be signed on the cheap. Many major leaguers price themselves out of jobs as they get older. At this point, with the way our organization is set up, Billy is the perfect 9 hole hitter and centerfielder.
It's hilarious to be that you just used the phrase "perfect 9 hole hitter".
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Old 11-07-18, 11:25 AM
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Best defensive centerfielder cant even get a gold glove...or get on base.
Cant steal first base.
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Old 11-07-18, 11:38 AM
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At this point, with the way our organization is set up, Billy is the perfect 9 hole hitter and centerfielder.
No, you lunatic, the perfect 9 hole hitter in the NL is a pitcher who can get guys out. Kershaw or Sherzer is the perfect 9 hole hitter. Because you don't care if they get on base. You need the other 8 guys to hit and get on base.
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Old 11-07-18, 11:39 AM
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or steal bases. Iím going to sell ďmake billy steal againĒ hats this year. Mbsa!
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Old 11-07-18, 12:15 PM
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No, you lunatic, the perfect 9 hole hitter in the NL is a pitcher who can get guys out. Kershaw or Sherzer is the perfect 9 hole hitter. Because you don't care if they get on base. You need the other 8 guys to hit and get on base.
And catch the ball and get guys out, which Billy does about better than anyone else other than Ender Incarte...so they say.
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Old 11-07-18, 12:47 PM
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Old 11-07-18, 12:48 PM
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No, you lunatic, the perfect 9 hole hitter in the NL is a pitcher who can get guys out. Kershaw or Sherzer is the perfect 9 hole hitter. Because you don't care if they get on base. You need the other 8 guys to hit and get on base.
So if I read this right Homer is also the perfect 9 hole hitter bc he and Kershaw are the same
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Old 11-07-18, 01:02 PM
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So if I read this right Homer is also the perfect 9 hole hitter bc he and Kershaw are the same
In fact, even better, because Homer is also Batman.
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Old 11-07-18, 03:22 PM
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Not sure if the salaries are secrets but on Sportstalk last night the inside was saying the reds are throwing $$ around to the new asst coaches and that is how they were able to lure away first place pitching and hitting
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Old 11-07-18, 04:11 PM
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Not sure if the salaries are secrets but on Sportstalk last night the inside was saying the reds are throwing $$ around to the new asst coaches and that is how they were able to lure away first place pitching and hitting
How else would they attract them?

Does that mean the Reds will go after big time free agents or expect the new coaches to work miracles with mediocre talent?
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Old 11-07-18, 07:51 PM
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Well i hope there is also some new blood brought in at the minor league level because it is so important for the Reds to be able to develop talent. For a small market team, I would want to spend more here than most other teams. Place an emphasis on developing pitching. If they do that, their last couple drafts have been good on paper (but its just that if we cant develop them). Hopefully it all pans out and they continue to identify talent while investing in developing them with better coaches.

For a small market you have to capitalize on any advantage you can make for yourself. They cant go toe to toe in spending on free agents, resigning players etc with the big dogs. They can go toe to toe in minor league coaching salaries. Invest in player development with an emphasis on pitching
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Well i hope there is also some new blood brought in at the minor league level because it is so important for the Reds to be able to develop talent. For a small market team, I would want to spend more here than most other teams. Place an emphasis on developing pitching. If they do that, their last couple drafts have been good on paper (but its just that if we cant develop them). Hopefully it all pans out and they continue to identify talent while investing in developing them with better coaches.

For a small market you have to capitalize on any advantage you can make for yourself. They cant go toe to toe in spending on free agents, resigning players etc with the big dogs. They can go toe to toe in minor league coaching salaries. Invest in player development with an emphasis on pitching
The Reds brought in a new hire today to coordinate minor league development.

Chris Tremie of the Cleveland Indians.

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Old 11-08-18, 04:18 PM
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If the Reds develop one starter every 3-4 years, they are ahead of where they have been. This organization has been terrible in developing starting pitching for a long, long time.
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Old 11-09-18, 10:10 AM
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Ok folks, I'm swearing off the Billy bandwagon moving forward. Although I don't really see myself as being a big Billy fan, I just appreciate the defensive talents he has, and the speed on the basepaths. He does things on a baseball field that no one else can do, yet many Reds fans always seem to focus on his hitting problems.
Anyway moving forward, every player has a "value" that you can't pay above. And Billy may just not be worth what arbitration could bring him. We'll see what happens the next few months, he is schedule to be at Redsfest so IMO, the club is planning on him being in the fold for 2019. I wouldn't be surprised if the Reds incorporated another 4 man outfield for '19. I don't see a big difference in our current top 5 outfielders.
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Old 11-09-18, 10:19 AM
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You are his biggest fan.

He also does the most important thing on the baseball field poorly. He is so bad at it, that it far outweighs the few runs that he saves on defense, as wolves has shown you with stats numerous times.

If what he did was so spectacular that "nobody else can do" he would have a gold glove by now.
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Old 11-09-18, 11:22 AM
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You are his biggest fan.

He also does the most important thing on the baseball field poorly. He is so bad at it, that it far outweighs the few runs that he saves on defense, as wolves has shown you with stats numerous times.

If what he did was so spectacular that "nobody else can do" he would have a gold glove by now.
Moving forward Arrogate, we all have our own opinions.
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Old 11-09-18, 11:47 AM
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Moving forward while trying to make the case again for why you think he is so great?
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Old 11-09-18, 01:04 PM
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Ok folks, I'm swearing off the Billy bandwagon moving forward. Although I don't really see myself as being a big Billy fan, I just appreciate the defensive talents he has, and the speed on the basepaths. He does things on a baseball field that no one else can do, yet many Reds fans always seem to focus on his hitting problems.
Anyway moving forward, every player has a "value" that you can't pay above. And Billy may just not be worth what arbitration could bring him. We'll see what happens the next few months, he is schedule to be at Redsfest so IMO, the club is planning on him being in the fold for 2019. I wouldn't be surprised if the Reds incorporated another 4 man outfield for '19. I don't see a big difference in our current top 5 outfielders.
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Moving forward while trying to make the case again for why you think he is so great?
Not at all. I know Billy's transgressions. He never hit or got on base alot in the minors, so I don't know why people are surprised he's not hitting at the major league level.

But, with that said, he still does things that no other major league baseball player can do. I understand it's a "value" thing.
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Old 11-09-18, 01:34 PM
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He never hit or got on base alot in the minors, so I don't know why people are surprised he's not hitting at the major league level.
Some people expect employees to improve at their job. Of course, given the fact you haven't received a raise in over 5 years, this is a foreign concept to you.
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Old 11-09-18, 02:20 PM
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i read something where the padres are looking for a 3B and suarez is tops on their list. do the reds deal suarez? should be able to get higher end talent for him?

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Old 11-09-18, 02:25 PM
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Not at all. I know Billy's transgressions. He never hit or got on base alot in the minors, so I don't know why people are surprised he's not hitting at the major league level.

But, with that said, he still does things that no other major league baseball player can do. I understand it's a "value" thing.
No one is surprised he canít hit or get on base.
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Old 11-09-18, 02:27 PM
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i read something where the padres are looking for a 3B and suarez is tops on their list. do the reds deal suarez? should be able to get higher end talent for him?

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What kind of pitching talent do the padres have in the farm?
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