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Old 01-07-18, 09:46 PM
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And you can't even play him on 3rd and 5. Stupid post is stupid
How is it a stupid post? The Jags went from a 3-13 team to a 10-6 team and a huge part of that was Fournette moving them from 22nd in rushing yards to 1st. Youíre such a moron itís a wonder how you make it through each day.
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You still continue to be an ahole
Yup.
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Well, heís right about Belichick. He was the coach of the Browns to the literal end of the franchise in Cleveland. He was fired by Art Modell after the team had moved to Baltimore to become the Ravens.
So be it. But the guy does not have call people names constantly
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Fournette’s impact on the Jags has been prounounced, but I think Jags are somewhat a product of a fairly weak schedule, same as the Titans and same as the Rams. I could see all three backsliding next season and missing the playoffs. The Jags especially need a QB. Marrone is a good coach, though, so they might maintain the success. We’ll see. I don’t think they will beat the Steelers next Sunday. Buffalo is probably another one year wonder. Some nice parts, but they aren’t going anywhere with Taylor at QB.
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So be it. But the guy does not have call people names constantly
Poor li'l fella
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Old 01-08-18, 05:31 AM
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How is it a stupid post? The Jags went from a 3-13 team to a 10-6 team and a huge part of that was Fournette moving them from 22nd in rushing yards to 1st. You’re such a moron it’s a wonder how you make it through each day.
https://www.pro-football-reference.c...K/KamaAl00.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...H/HuntKa00.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...F/FourLe00.htm





Fournette had a nice season. Still < the other 2 by any reasonable assessment. 'Saders and your "handicap points" notion is a bit silly, and he's just trying to support his point, anyway.

The point that the Browns need to pick other positions higher than RB stands, because excellent players can be found in later rounds, our other weaknesses are more glaring, and the career life of a RB is short.


This stuff is pretty difficult for you to grasp, huh ?
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If running backs are the be all end all ... then how come the best RB from the past decade ... Adrian Peterson ... is only 1-4 in playoff games for his career?

Bell makes the Steelers better ... but Roethlisberger makes them special
Fournette makes the Jags better ... but Bortles holds them back
Ingram/Kamara makes the Saints better ... but Brees drives the ship
Elliott (& OL) make the Cowboys good ... but they will only go as far as Dax takes them

The Browns have had top five picks for the past three years now ... and need to come away with their QB ... yea, this years QBs are a bigger gamble than Barkley ... but so was Goff & Wentz a couple years ago ... unless they sign Cousins (not going to happen) ... they are going to draft a QB.
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https://www.pro-football-reference.c...H/HuntKa00.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...F/FourLe00.htm





Fournette had a nice season. Still < the other 2 by any reasonable assessment. 'Saders and your "handicap points" notion is a bit silly, and he's just trying to support his point, anyway.

The point that the Browns need to pick other positions higher than RB stands, because excellent players can be found in later rounds, our other weaknesses are more glaring, and the career life of a RB is short.


This stuff is pretty difficult for you to grasp, huh ?
Itís not really difficult at all. Fournette basically made the Jags the best rushing team in football and helped improve an inept team from 3 wins to 10. Are you really too stupid to understand the importance of those two metrics?
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Poor li'l fella
I am not poor, and not little. So again you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Did your mama drop you head first on the cement when you were a baby?
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Itís not really difficult at all. Fournette basically made the Jags the best rushing team in football and helped improve an inept team from 3 wins to 10. Are you really too stupid to understand the importance of those two metrics?
I'd say that the O-line played a large part in the Jags rushing attack, as did Bortles, that the best D in football and a weak schedule contributed considerably to the improved record, and that I'm not at all surprised that these facts have escaped you
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I am not poor, and not little. So again you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Did your mama drop you head first on the cement when you were a baby?
So you're a large, well-heeled cry baby. Congrats!!
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Old 01-08-18, 10:03 AM
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So you're a large, well-heeled cry baby. Congrats!!
Wrong again. You just get nothing right can you
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Itís not really difficult at all. Fournette basically made the Jags the best rushing team in football and helped improve an inept team from 3 wins to 10. Are you really too stupid to understand the importance of those two metrics?
Couple metrics for you
2016 -- rush att 392 --- ave per att 4.2
2017 -- rush att 527 --- ave per att 4.3

so do you think it was the 0.1 increase in yards per att ... or the 135 more attempts that made the Jags a better rushing team?

Did they become a better rushing team or did they just rush the ball more?
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Old 01-08-18, 12:14 PM
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Couple metrics for you
2016 -- rush att 392 --- ave per att 4.2
2017 -- rush att 527 --- ave per att 4.3

so do you think it was the 0.1 increase in yards per att ... or the 135 more attempts that made the Jags a better rushing team?

Did they become a better rushing team or did they just rush the ball more?
Yep. Kind of reminds me of MJD's best years in Jax.
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https://www.pro-football-reference.c...K/KamaAl00.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...H/HuntKa00.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...F/FourLe00.htm





Fournette had a nice season. Still < the other 2 by any reasonable assessment. 'Saders and your "handicap points" notion is a bit silly, and he's just trying to support his point, anyway.

The point that the Browns need to pick other positions higher than RB stands, because excellent players can be found in later rounds, our other weaknesses are more glaring, and the career life of a RB is short.


This stuff is pretty difficult for you to grasp, huh ?
Passing offenses: New Orleans #5, Kansas City #7, Jacksonville #17 (only because there were so many inept passing offenses this year, 224 ypg in 2016 would have been 24th).

Handicap points, boi. Your boys walked into good situations, Fournette did not.

Fournette >
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Couple metrics for you
2016 -- rush att 392 --- ave per att 4.2
2017 -- rush att 527 --- ave per att 4.3

so do you think it was the 0.1 increase in yards per att ... or the 135 more attempts that made the Jags a better rushing team?

Did they become a better rushing team or did they just rush the ball more?
Yeah, he’s a battering ram and is facing a stacked box every week.
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Thinking the Browns should hire Urban Meyer, draft Barrett #1 overall, and then stick with him for the next 20 years no matter what
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I think they should trade for Bortles - he was the leading rusher in the Buff/Jax game.
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Browns interviewing Zampese for their OC position.
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Passing offenses: New Orleans #5, Kansas City #7, Jacksonville #17 (only because there were so many inept passing offenses this year, 224 ypg in 2016 would have been 24th).

Handicap points, boi. Your boys walked into good situations, Fournette did not.

Fournette >
whatever

If he is >, it certainly isn't by enough to be worth the difference in draft capital between a 1st and a 3rd

Maybe Deshaun Watson would have stayed healthy in Jax ? You know after watching Bortles continue to struggle they wish they hadn't passed on Watson at #4 last year. They'd rather have him and continue to platoon Ivory and Yeldon instead of selecting Fournette.......if you're still stuck on rushing, the YPC would have gone up by more than 0.1 with Watson over Bortles, just with the 40 or so QB carries
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False. As an assistant coach - and it's happening tomorrow, not today.
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If the Eagles offered Wentz for Fournette would Jacksonville take it ... the would set a record for fastest reply
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No one is arguing that a proven top tier QB doesn't hold a greater value than a provem top RB. When you're talking about the draft, however, you're going off probability based on what players show in college and at the combine. Have you seen anything that makes Rosen, Darnold, or Allen better football players than Barkley or Fitzpatrick? If QB is the tougher position to predict and RB is so easy, doesn't it make more sense to grab a proven veteran QB, like Alex Smith, and draft a running back that is unanimously considered a better player than the previous 3 Top 10 drafted RBs?

The problem with Browns fans, and I've said this for years now, is they are way too obsessed with the QB position. Teams win all the time without a having a future HOF QB, which is what they've demanded the franchise chase since Tim Couch. The ultimate result of this mindset has been seen the past 3 years: 4-44. Way to go.

Go ahead. Continue to do the same thing and bypass the best players available while reaching for needs. I really don't care if the Browns go 0-16 for the next decade.
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They've actually had the opposite issue the past 2 drafts. They traded out of drafting Wentz & Watson because they were doing the analytics BPA/accumulate draft picks thing.
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It's the same thing in different clothes.
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No one is arguing that a proven top tier QB doesn't hold a greater value than a provem top RB. When you're talking about the draft, however, you're going off probability based on what players show in college and at the combine. Have you seen anything that makes Rosen, Darnold, or Allen better football players than Barkley or Fitzpatrick? If QB is the tougher position to predict and RB is so easy, doesn't it make more sense to grab a proven veteran QB, like Alex Smith, and draft a running back that is unanimously considered a better player than the previous 3 Top 10 drafted RBs?

The problem with Browns fans, and I've said this for years now, is they are way too obsessed with the QB position. Teams win all the time without a having a future HOF QB, which is what they've demanded the franchise chase since Tim Couch. The ultimate result of this mindset has been seen the past 3 years: 4-44. Way to go.

Go ahead. Continue to do the same thing and bypass the best players available while reaching for needs. I really don't care if the Browns go 0-16 for the next decade.
Steelers with Bradshaw and Big Ben >>>>>> Steelers with Mark Malone, Bubby Brister, Tommy Maddox, etc.
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Because the QBs were the only differences between those eras. Thank you for proving my point.
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No one is arguing that a proven top tier QB doesn't hold a greater value than a provem top RB. When you're talking about the draft, however, you're going off probability based on what players show in college and at the combine. Have you seen anything that makes Rosen, Darnold, or Allen better football players than Barkley or Fitzpatrick? If QB is the tougher position to predict and RB is so easy, doesn't it make more sense to grab a proven veteran QB, like Alex Smith, and draft a running back that is unanimously considered a better player than the previous 3 Top 10 drafted RBs?

The problem with Browns fans, and I've said this for years now, is they are way too obsessed with the QB position. Teams win all the time without a having a future HOF QB, which is what they've demanded the franchise chase since Tim Couch. The ultimate result of this mindset has been seen the past 3 years: 4-44. Way to go.

Go ahead. Continue to do the same thing and bypass the best players available while reaching for needs. I really don't care if the Browns go 0-16 for the next decade.
What are you talking about ... the last two drafts they passed on the players that would have helped the franchise the most ... Wentz & Watson ... because taking a QB was too risky ... and they missed out big time ... ever heard of nothing ventured nothing gained ... they are 4-44 for the past 3 years because their QBs stink .... WHAT IS SOOO HARD TO UNDERSTAND!!!!!
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Because the QBs were the only differences between those eras. Thank you for proving my point.
How in the world does that prove your point? ... the Steelers even with a great roster were purely average when they didn't have a QB ... but Super Bowl contenders when they had a good QB ... so how does that say "don't take a QB"????????? explain it to me, I am confused?
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How in the world does that prove your point? ... the Steelers even with a great roster were purely average when they didn't have a QB ... but Super Bowl contenders when they had a good QB ... so how does that say "don't take a QB"????????? explain it to me, I am confused?
The Steelers were terrible in the 80s and were rebuilding a bit after the Kordell Stewart experiment years.

If you think the difference between the Bradshaw/Roethlisberger and Malone/Brister/Maddox/etc. eras was the QB, it proves my point that you're hyper-focused on the QB position.
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