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Old 10-30-18, 06:38 PM
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Week 10:
1. Alabama
2. Clemson
3. LSU
4. Notre Dame
5. Michigan
6. Georgia
7. Oklahoma
8. Washington State
9. Kentucky
10. Ohio State
11. Florida
12. UCF
13. West Virginia
14. Penn State
15. Utah
16. Iowa
17. Texas
18. Mississippi State
19. Syracuse
20. Texas A&M
21. NC State
22. Boston College
23. Fresno State
24. Iowa State
25. Virginia
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Old 10-30-18, 06:42 PM
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Will be interesting if both Oklahoma and OSU win out, whether OSU jumps them.

Having Notre Dame behind Clemson & LSU at this point is a bit puzzling.
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Old 10-30-18, 06:57 PM
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I guess I can see behind Clemson, even though I disagree, but certainly not after LSU. Neither Miami or Auburn are ranked anymore.
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Old 10-30-18, 09:01 PM
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Will be interesting if both Oklahoma and OSU win out, whether OSU jumps them.

Having Notre Dame behind Clemson & LSU at this point is a bit puzzling.
Pretty easy. Notre Dame plays nobody besides Michigan. LSU has the big wins and Clemson is the second best program recently behind Alabama
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Old 10-30-18, 09:22 PM
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Notre Dame struggled with Pitt and Vanderbilt! As dumb as it is, style points do matter in the committee era!
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Old 10-30-18, 09:44 PM
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Pretty easy. Notre Dame plays nobody besides Michigan. LSU has the big wins and Clemson is the second best program recently behind Alabama
By their own rankings, the Michigan win is better than any win on Clemson or LSU's resume.
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Old 10-30-18, 09:48 PM
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By their own rankings, the Michigan win is better than any win on Clemson or LSU's resume.
My thoughts exactly. Sure it was a win at home, but it's the best win on the board thus far.

Should be:
1. Bama
2. Notre Dame
3. LSU
4. Clemson

These rankings basically tell ND - if you lose, you're out. Stanford falling off really hurt the Irish, Virginia Tech is another who's borderline top 25 I'm sure.

To nitpick a little:
-Washington State is too high at #8 - their non conference schedule was an absolute joke
-Penn State is too high at #14 IMO - haven't beaten anyone to deserve that high of a ranking plus lost to unranked Michigan State
-Iowa is too high - they've lost to the only decent teams on their schedule, guess Iowa State is propping them up
-Utah too high - they beat Stanford and their non conference was a joke
-Texas too low at #17 - beat #7, loss to MD is bad but OK St isn't any worse than PSU losing to Michigan State
-Iowa State in at #24 seems like a reach - guess this is more about their win over WVU
-SEC numbers on the whole are inflated - Miss St beat A&M so they're ranked, A&M beats UK so they're ranked
-ACC has a few also - Syracuse beats NC State so they're ranked, NC State beats BC so they're ranked, BC has beaten who?

Obviously a lot can change but past WVU at #13 no one else should sniff a chance at the playoff, regardless of what happens in the final month.
From #14 on down there's a lot of mediocre football teams who have 2/3 losses with many wins coming against lower tier Group of 5 or FCS foes.

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Old 10-30-18, 11:43 PM
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Iowa St has two wins against top 25 and a close one against a top 5 plus a record of upsets from last year. If Syracuse grabs a spot, so does ISU. They're due top 25. Time to see if they can hold




ND: is again getting by on name and economic power. Squeak by an also ran MAC team, they're best win is against a V-Tech that lost to Old Dominion. They're TBD at best, a schedule that seems to have caught several good teams in an off year.
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Old 10-31-18, 06:47 AM
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ND: is again getting by on name and economic power. Squeak by an also ran MAC team, they're best win is against a V-Tech that lost to Old Dominion. They're TBD at best, a schedule that seems to have caught several good teams in an off year.
Are you sure their best win is against VT and not Michigan?
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Old 10-31-18, 08:03 AM
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Iowa St has two wins against top 25 and a close one against a top 5 plus a record of upsets from last year. If Syracuse grabs a spot, so does ISU. They're due top 25. Time to see if they can hold
They have one top 25 win - WVU.
They've lost to Iowa and Oklahoma - Oklahoma St was ranked in either the coaches or AP poll but is not ranked in the CFP rankings.

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ND: is again getting by on name and economic power. Squeak by an also ran MAC team, they're best win is against a V-Tech that lost to Old Dominion. They're TBD at best, a schedule that seems to have caught several good teams in an off year.
Notre Dame has the best win of anyone in the CFP Rankings in Michigan. They've also beaten Stanford at home and VA Tech on the road.
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Old 10-31-18, 08:17 AM
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A lot of chatter about how this could be setting up to have 2 SEC teams again. If 'Bama loses a close game to LSU or in the SEC title game they will be in over any 1 loss conference champ. Also don't be surprised if Oklahoma runs the table they get a slot. The B1G is Michigan or bust, no way do they put in tOSU with yet another blow out loss over a 1 loss team from any of the conference champs or ND. Very high probability it could be the same 4 as last year.
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Old 10-31-18, 09:20 AM
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I think OSU still has an outside shot. As long as Bama wins out, and Oklahoma and Washington State lose just one more game each. All very possible. Kentucky isn't winning out so they're gone.
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Old 10-31-18, 09:42 AM
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I think OSU jumps WSU if both win out.

So they probably need just 2 things to happen really

- Alabama to run the table, which would give LSU & Georgia 2 losses

- Oklahoma to lose 1 more(though there may be a small chance OSU would jump them if Michigan is in the top 4 at the time they play and they beat them.)
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Old 10-31-18, 09:48 AM
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I think OSU jumps WSU if both win out.

So they probably need just 2 things to happen really

- Alabama to run the table, which would give LSU & Georgia 2 losses

- Oklahoma to lose 1 more(though there may be a small chance OSU would jump them if Michigan is in the top 4 at the time they play and they beat them.)
Agreed. They could get in if Michigan enters the game with one loss.
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Old 10-31-18, 09:59 AM
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I do not see tOSU jumping Washington St. if the Cougars win out. While WSU doesn't have a seat on the committee the PAC 12 is well represented this year with 3 members including the chair and they will really push to get one of their own into the playoffs. Also, the lone B1G rep is Gene Smith so he has to sit out any discussions around tOSU: https://collegefootballplayoff.com/s...committee.aspx
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Old 10-31-18, 01:31 PM
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At this point, I'd say Alabama, Clemson and Notre Dame will be in the playoff. I don't see any of these teams losing the rest of the way.
I think the Buckeyes will win out, I just think there are too many teams for them to climb. The Big ten could be left out, believe it or not. OSU's best win is over TCU, and they have 5 losses now. Penn State has shown they are simply not that good. And it both of those games, the Buckeyes were in trouble. So yes, style point do count. The Buckeye loss at Purdue will remain one of the biggest upsets in recent history. On paper, that should had been a 30 point game - the other way.
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Old 10-31-18, 05:40 PM
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Old 11-01-18, 03:49 PM
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Old 11-01-18, 03:56 PM
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I do like this because it takes into account who you play. Now I don't like it because it doesn't include style points.

I really think teams with big point spreads who struggle to win should have some kind of negative factor. Penn State beating App State at home in overtime should not could as one win, like a 40 point win over Illinois. I also like some kind of evaluation of the schedule not based on the polls. Wisconsin was in the top 5 in many polls to start the season, I don't think they are in the top 25 anymore. Teams beating Auburn, TCU is the same way. TCU was what #12 or #14 when the Buckeyes played them. They have 5 losses now. Not a good win anymore.
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Old 11-02-18, 06:25 PM
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I have considered including point margins and +/-, 14Red! Great teams have let down games all the time, is it right to punish them for it? I'm skeptical.
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Old 11-04-18, 07:15 PM
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To nitpick a little:
-Washington State is too high at #8 - their non conference schedule was an absolute joke
-Penn State is too high at #14 IMO - haven't beaten anyone to deserve that high of a ranking plus lost to unranked Michigan State
-Iowa is too high - they've lost to the only decent teams on their schedule, guess Iowa State is propping them up
-Utah too high - they beat Stanford and their non conference was a joke
-Texas too low at #17 - beat #7, loss to MD is bad but OK St isn't any worse than PSU losing to Michigan State
-Iowa State in at #24 seems like a reach - guess this is more about their win over WVU
-SEC numbers on the whole are inflated - Miss St beat A&M so they're ranked, A&M beats UK so they're ranked
-ACC has a few also - Syracuse beats NC State so they're ranked, NC State beats BC so they're ranked, BC has beaten who?

Obviously a lot can change but past WVU at #13 no one else should sniff a chance at the playoff, regardless of what happens in the final month.
Was wrong about Wazzu - thought they had 2 losses already. Their non-conference schedule is still awful, so if they run the table that likely keeps them out over 1-loss ND, 1-loss OSU/Michigan or 1-loss OU.

But a lot of the other teams I mentioned above lost:
Penn St got rolled by Michigan
Iowa gets beat at Purdue - giving NW the inside track at B1G West
Utah loses it's QB and loses
Texas lost by 1 to WVU - a game they shouldn't have lost
SEC teams - UK, Florida and A&M all lose
ACC teams - Syracuse, NC State and BC all win, which will help out Clemson and also ND (play Cuse)

Top 4 likely looking like:
1. Alabama
2. Clemson
3. Michigan
4. Notre Dame

Then 5-8
5. Georgia
6. Oklahoma
7. Washington St
8. West Virginia
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Old 11-05-18, 07:16 PM
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Why is Miss St ranked so high with 3 losses?
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Old 11-06-18, 10:27 PM
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Week 11
1. Alabama
2. Clemson
3. Notre Dame
4. Michigan
5. Georgia
6. Oklahoma
7. LSU
8. Washington State
9. West Virginia
10. Ohio State
11. Kentucky
12. UCF
13. Syracuse
14. NC State
15. Florida
16. Mississippi State
17. Boston College
18. Michigan State
19. Texas
20. Penn State
21. Iowa
22. Iowa State
23. Fresno State
24. Auburn
25. Washington
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Old 11-07-18, 04:25 AM
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Are you sure their best win is against VT (ND) and not Michigan?

My thinking is, Michigan has grown more than most teams this season. Perhaps the new QB. Perhaps getting the play calling wrapped around the new QB.


I don't think ND wins a rematch. I'm still of the mind that ND had a good schedule that is having a very down year. Syracuse? Close loses to Clemson and Pitts away but there's the Western Michigan fiasco. WMU is a terrible team. All teams have that type game though so...
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Old 11-07-18, 11:39 AM
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east trying his best to pretend he didn't forget Notre Dame beat Michigan
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Old 11-07-18, 05:53 PM
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Old 11-08-18, 07:48 AM
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Your rankings are absolute garbage. LSU moves up after losing? LSU is above Alabama? Clemson falls 5 spots after demolishing Louisville? Duke is #8 with three losses to average teams? WVU moves from unranked to #14 because they beat an average Texas team? Pitt ranked behind Duke, despite beating Duke? Georgia stays at 5 despite easily beating a ranked Kentucky team? OSU behind Penn State despite beating them? The whole thing is trash.
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Old 11-08-18, 10:42 AM
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Your rankings are absolute garbage. LSU moves up after losing? LSU is above Alabama? Clemson falls 5 spots after demolishing Louisville? Duke is #8 with three losses to average teams? WVU moves from unranked to #14 because they beat an average Texas team? Pitt ranked behind Duke, despite beating Duke? Georgia stays at 5 despite easily beating a ranked Kentucky team? OSU behind Penn State despite beating them? The whole thing is trash.
HAHAHAHA!!!!

I cannot stand mathematical formula's to figure out rankings. Some guy named Maher (sp?) does it for soccer, and while I can appreciate the hard work that goes into it there are too many issues with a formula.

Pitt went from Not Raked to #12 with a 5-4 record, did they beat Clemson, WTF?
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Old 11-08-18, 12:03 PM
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Duke, Pitt, Buffalo, and Army are all in the top 15. Might want to look at tweaking it in the off season.

Does LSU still get top 10 points for beating a now unranked Miami? What about them getting top 10 points for beating Auburn? It appears they do.

You weight your wins/losses based on opponents rankings and where they are ranked. Do you use your rankings to determine the weight or do you use AP/Coaches/CFP Committee rankings? For example would you get a top 15 weight for beating Buffalo bc they are ranked in your formula but not the AP?

If you use your rankings how do you start the year with determining weights for top 25 wins? Do you use the AP at first and then switch to yours later at a different week? If that is the case the lack of consistency creates a problem throughout the season.

I would look into trying to reevaluate wins and losses each week, so the point total is a dynamic number where it can change week to week based on improvements from your prior opponents and vice versa. For LSU to still get top 10 points for beating Auburn and Miami is one design flaw. Same thing goes for if a team lost/beat a team like UK who wasnt ranked until like week 4. Does Florida get hit the same with losing to an unranked team at the time they played, when UK is now top 15?

Not criticizing but trying to offer suggestions bc I like your idea of the tiered relegation system, weighted wins/losses etc.

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Old 11-08-18, 12:34 PM
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I also see you get points for a win over an unranked p5 team with a record better than .500. Do you go back to check if those teams end up with a +.500 record and do you adjust the points? And vice versa for those that maybe had a +.500 record at the time but end the season with a losing record.

I would maybe look at trying to find a way to weight games against teams that are not in the top 25. You start out weighing teams by groups of 5 spots in the polls but 25+ and up it is all the same weight essentially. A team you beat who is lets say ranked 30 counts the same as a team who is ranked 60th (assuming both have winning records)

There are other "improvements"/things to look at if you have an open mind to it. If not I will quit rambling. Again this shouldnt be read as demeaning or condescending towards you, just suggestions/questions to help improve your system.

Doing a system like this would take up a lot of time and I assume this is a hobby and you have time constraints. Going back to check and readjust point totals would involve a lot more work. Taking into account the time constraints, this being a hobby, and trying to find a quick and easy formula, you did OK IMO.
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