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Old 10-16-18, 08:51 AM
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And even with that, I'd say Georgia has a better resume than Ohio State. Exactly who has the Buckeyes beaten to date?? A two loss Penn State? A three loss TCU??
I'll ask you the same thing about Georgia. Who have they beaten? Tennessee?? Vanderbilt?? Or how about their big non-conference games against Austin Peay and Middle Tennessee?? They won at 3-3 South Carolina and 3-3 Missouri.

Let's rank these wins in order of strength for each team:
1. @ Penn St
2. @ Missouri
3. TCU - neutral site in TCU's backyard, plenty of room for OSU fans
4. @ South Carolina
5. Indiana
6. Minnesota
7. Tennessee
8. Vanderbilt
9. Tulane
10. Middle Tennessee
11. Oregon St
12. Austin Peay

In what world/planet does Georgia have a better resume'? I don't even like Ohio State and it's pretty obvious.
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Old 10-16-18, 09:09 AM
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1. This happens in all conferences, look closely
2. It takes two to tango. Also remember that the SEC is the premier conference in college football. They actually can and should schedule down non-conference because the conference games are so strong. Just not that way in any other conference.
3. This takes a little work. Because most of the bottom of big ten teams lose to MAC schools or other low level D1 programs. Great example this season is the Wisconsin Badgers. They were ranked in the top 5 to begin the season?? They lost at home to a .500 BYU team??

Bonus: LSU

Look, I understand Buckeye Nation. Actually, you should be thrilled with how college football is set up. The Buckeyes have little rivals right now. Michigan is still two steps behind, Michigan State probably 3. Penn State is good but not great.
If college football ever goes to an 8 team playoff, you can write, in ink, the Buckeyes in every year. They rarely schedule a difficult non-conf game, and the league is generally 6-7 laughers and one or two competitive games that the Buckeyes are generally favorites.

As I've always contended, you put Ohio State and Michigan in the SEC, and they lose 2-3 games a year, period. You put the top 3-4 SEC teams in the Big ten, and Ohio State doesn't get to the playoffs. It's as simple as that.
I did look closely, the scheduling FCS opponents before the big rival game is really only a SEC thing. Do the darn work and look at the FBS schedules and you will see: https://fbschedules.com/

Most conferences stack the deck for the end of the season to make them look good in the playoff committees eyes, the Big 12 in particular has really moved in this direction. Also the ACC and the SEC are the only conferences w/ 8 conference games, they want to avoid playing each other so they cna puff up their W totals.
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Old 10-16-18, 12:05 PM
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Barring any losses between this weekend and when the playoff rankings come out, the top 4 teams will be OSU,ND,Alabama, and LSU, don't be surprised if ND and OSU are #'s 1 and 2 in no particular order. Those rankings are supposed to be the ones that count.
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Old 10-16-18, 12:57 PM
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The Buckeyes always get a pass around here.
What? You obviously haven't been reading the OSU thread. Nobody is giving them a pass. You just can't get past your blind Big 10 hatred and SEC homerism. There are clones of you all over the ESPN comment boards that sound just as uninformed.
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Old 10-16-18, 01:02 PM
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Barring any losses between this weekend and when the playoff rankings come out, the top 4 teams will be OSU,ND,Alabama, and LSU, don't be surprised if ND and OSU are #'s 1 and 2 in no particular order. Those rankings are supposed to be the ones that count.
If Bama wins out they’re #1 and it’s not close.
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Old 10-16-18, 01:34 PM
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The committee isn't solely objective. Alabama will be #1 based on rep and their dominance more so than their resume of quality victories. Right now, if they were ranking today, I'd expect 1. Alabama 2. Notre Dame 3. Ohio State 4. Clemson 5. LSU
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Old 10-16-18, 01:43 PM
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That looks about right to me. If the top 4 all win out, will be interesting to see if Notre Dame is penalized for not having a conf title game. Meaning would Clemson and OSU jump them if they win their conf title game while ND is inactive that week?
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Old 10-16-18, 02:14 PM
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If ND wins out they'll be in. The committee ain't passing up those ratings.
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Old 10-16-18, 02:41 PM
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I agree, just wondering if they'd put them 4th behind an also undefeated Alabama/OSU/Clemson
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Old 10-16-18, 02:43 PM
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I think in this case they could get away with ranking to produce Bama vs Clemson and OSU vs ND, the most desirable matchups.
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Old 10-16-18, 02:44 PM
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That looks about right to me. If the top 4 all win out, will be interesting to see if Notre Dame is penalized for not having a conf title game. Meaning would Clemson and OSU jump them if they win their conf title game while ND is inactive that week?
You must be a little confused. The NCAAs job isn't to put the top 4 teams on the field and let them figure it out. It's to make as much money as they can off these games. ND will always have their name penciled in and they won't even think about pulling out the eraser until they lose a game or two.
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If Notre Dame goes undefeated, they'll deserve a spot in the playoff. Don't see how anyone could argue otherwise.
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Old 10-16-18, 03:51 PM
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If Notre Dame goes undefeated, they'll deserve a spot in the playoff. Don't see how anyone could argue otherwise.
They need someone to beat Ohio State since Notre Dame only will have one big win, Michigan
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Old 10-16-18, 04:25 PM
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Notre Dame is in if they go undefeated.
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Old 10-16-18, 04:47 PM
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They need someone to beat Ohio State since Notre Dame only will have one big win, Michigan
No they don't. If Notre Dame goes undefeated, they will be at worst the #4 seed, and they would have earned their spot in the playoff.
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Old 10-16-18, 09:41 PM
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Dream scenario:
OSU (13-0) Big Ten Champ
LSU (12-1) SEC Champ
Texas (12-1) Big XII Champ
Clemson (12-1) ACC Champ
Oregon (12-1) PAC 12 Champ
Alabama 11-1
Notre Dame 11-1
UCF/USF/UC (13-0) AAC Champ
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Old 10-16-18, 09:49 PM
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Dream scenario:
OSU (13-0) Big Ten Champ
LSU (12-1) SEC Champ
Texas (12-1) Big XII Champ
Clemson (12-1) ACC Champ
Oregon (12-1) PAC 12 Champ
Alabama 11-1
Notre Dame 11-1
UCF/USF/UC (13-0) AAC Champ
I think Bama would get in with anything better than two losses.
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Old 10-16-18, 09:57 PM
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Doesn't matter. In that scenario, someone big gets screwed. It would be glorious
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Old 10-17-18, 10:43 AM
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It was eventually going to come to this and everyone knew ND would eventually screw up the 4 team playoff.
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Old 10-17-18, 11:54 AM
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1. This happens in all conferences, look closely
2. It takes two to tango. Also remember that the SEC is the premier conference in college football. They actually can and should schedule down non-conference because the conference games are so strong. Just not that way in any other conference.
3. This takes a little work. Because most of the bottom of big ten teams lose to MAC schools or other low level D1 programs. Great example this season is the Wisconsin Badgers. They were ranked in the top 5 to begin the season?? They lost at home to a .500 BYU team??

Bonus: LSU

Look, I understand Buckeye Nation. Actually, you should be thrilled with how college football is set up. The Buckeyes have little rivals right now. Michigan is still two steps behind, Michigan State probably 3. Penn State is good but not great.
If college football ever goes to an 8 team playoff, you can write, in ink, the Buckeyes in every year. They rarely schedule a difficult non-conf game, and the league is generally 6-7 laughers and one or two competitive games that the Buckeyes are generally favorites.

As I've always contended, you put Ohio State and Michigan in the SEC, and they lose 2-3 games a year, period. You put the top 3-4 SEC teams in the Big ten, and Ohio State doesn't get to the playoffs. It's as simple as that.
You spew this ignorance every chance you get.
Bowl game records last year.
YOUR super SEC 5 wins and 6 losses.
YOUR over rated BIG 10 7 wins and 1 loss.

Do you know how many conferences had a worse bowl win percentage than the SEC?
4
ACC, Conference USA, PAC 12, and MAC.
That means half the conferences (5) had better bowl win percentages.

Do you know how many conferences had a better win percentage than the BIG 10?
None!

Head-to-head SEC vs BIG 10
All games 91 - 62 - 2 or 59%
Bowl games 52 - 30 or 63%
Regular season games 39 - 32 - 2 or 53%
Last 20 years is 44 - 31 or 59%
Last 10 years is 25 - 15 or 62%
Last 5 years is 11 - 8 or 58%
Last 3 years is 4 - 4 or 50 %
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Old 10-17-18, 11:56 AM
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Ok so the SEC had two teams in the playoff. That's going to affect all their bowl matchups. The Big Ten didn't get one team in, which likewise skewed their bowl matchups
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Old 10-17-18, 12:30 PM
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Notre Dame boasts one of the best resumes in college football. Does anyone have a better win than the Irish? Perhaps LSU with their win over Georgia but I felt Georgia was overrated and their high ranking was the result of last year. If Notre Dame goes undefeated, they will be in the playoff and it won't be because of their name.
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Dream scenario:
OSU (13-0) Big Ten Champ
LSU (12-1) SEC Champ
Texas (12-1) Big XII Champ
Clemson (12-1) ACC Champ
Oregon (12-1) PAC 12 Champ
Alabama 11-1
Notre Dame 11-1
UCF/USF/UC (13-0) AAC Champ
The locks there would be OSU & LSU. No idea what happens with the 3/4 seed but either way this would blow up the 4 team playoff which is ultimately what every CFB fan should be rooting for.
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Old 10-17-18, 02:47 PM
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Not sure you can really use Bowl records as a conference argument anymore. Many draft eligible players sit out. Teams use the additional practices to prep guys for the next year instead of preparing for the actual team they're playing in a few weeks. Teams no longer really care about the result because there's no last minute push to get recruits now with the early signing period. It's become basically the playoffs and then some teams who don't normally make bowls who are really going all out in those games.
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Old 10-18-18, 07:57 PM
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