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Old 08-14-18, 08:30 PM
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And then, there’s ours (we're still toughening them up):



This stuff just fascinates me.
What I find amazing about these robot videos beyond the rapid progress being made is how anthropomorphic the robots movements are. Some of the robots move their legs just like people do. It almost seems like a person is hiding in the machine doing the walking. Even weirder to me were the robots that moved their legs just like deer do.

So FootballFan1795 how much longer until we see a video where the guy kicks the robot and the robot turns around and flattens him in response?
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Old 08-15-18, 02:44 AM
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You mean, how long before this?



The Verge: “Stop kicking the robots before they start kicking us”

https://www.theverge.com/2015/2/12/8...ing-the-robots

This is what the experts think:

https://www.sciencealert.com/experts...ll-of-our-jobs

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According to a survey of artificial intelligence experts, AI will probably be good enough to take on pretty much most of our jobs within half a century.
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And just in case you think you'll play it smart and develop the AI that is going to take over the world, the experts think there's a slim chance that machines will be the ones developing AI within half a century, and odds-on they'll be running the show in about 80 years.
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... it's possible the academics might simply be a little conservative in their estimates.
Not so sure we’ll ever get a definitive timeline from the oh-so-mysterious Boston Dynamics, though:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...605-story.html

Maybe I should ask my other brother about this. I won’t even pretend to understand what he does for a living, but I do know that it’s some sort of complicated IT stuff (he’s always vague when asked). That said, by Googling him, I can piece together that he has top secret clearance (which he also told me), and he currently advises the DoD CIO. In the past, amongst other jobs, he has also advised the CIOs of the NNSA and the SBA, was a strategic planner for the DHS Science & Technology Directorate, worked for Booz Allen Hamilton (but left well-before Snowden was hired ), and worked at the Pentagon. Sounds crazy, right? Maybe crazy enough to also work for Boston Dynamics at one time??
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Old 08-15-18, 07:48 AM
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We are in for some serious jolts in the next few decades that's for sure.

One of the best science fiction series where we are ruled by AI was created by Neal Asher. His "Polity" books are very good old school hard science fiction in which AI and robotics of all kinds have taken over in a semi benevolent way.

https://www.amazon.com/s?url=search-...=1N12MGAEPYJ26
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Old 08-16-18, 05:17 PM
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Did you know the Earth has more then one moon?

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2018/...mysteries.html

Earth has a habit of picking up, and later discarding, small companions called "minimoons," and these tiny objects could help scientists solve the mysteries of asteroids.
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Old 08-17-18, 08:14 AM
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Did you know the Earth has more then one moon?

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2018/...mysteries.html

Earth has a habit of picking up, and later discarding, small companions called "minimoons," and these tiny objects could help scientists solve the mysteries of asteroids.
If Pluto is no longer a planet, then I'm not about to start calling those tiny little things "moons", mini- or not.
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Old 08-18-18, 09:33 AM
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American private enterprise is taking over the job of putting people in space!

https://www.space.com/41496-spacex-b...paceships.html

In front of a racous crowd at Johnson Space Center in Houston this month, NASA announced the nine astronauts who have been selected for the agency's commercial crew flights. The maiden crewed flights of SpaceX's Crew Dragon and Boeing's CST-100 Starliner vehicles may launch as soon as next year, marking the first time that astronauts have departed for space from U.S. soil since the space shuttle program ended in 2011.

"This is truly an exciting time for human spaceflight in our nation, and believe me — it's only going to get better as we charge off into our future," Bob Cabana, a former astronaut who is now director of NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida, said during the Aug. 3 announcement. The only way it could get more exciting, he joked, was if he were selected himself.


This is big news! Check out the article at the link as it provides a comprehensive status review of SpaceX & Beoing's commercial space flight efforts.
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Old 08-18-18, 09:35 AM
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And not to be outdone Lockheed Martin unveils it's long range space travel module:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/busin...815-story.html

A massive cylindrical habitat may one day house up to four astronauts as they make the trek to deep space.

Lockheed Martin gave a first look at what one of these habitats might look like Thursday at the Kennedy Space Center, where the aerospace giant is under contract with NASA to build a prototype of the living quarters.
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Old 08-19-18, 07:39 AM
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Hmmm..........

https://www.space.com/41535-mars-rov...ect-photo.html

On Monday (Aug. 13), Curiosity photographed an odd, flat object that mission team members initially thought might have fallen off the car-size robot. Indeed, they dubbed the weirdly shaped target the "Pettegrove Point Foreign Object Debris," or PPFOD in NASA-speak. (Pettegrove Point is a section of Vera Rubin Ridge, the landform Curiosity has been exploring for the last 11 months or so.)

But Curiosity's observations soon revealed that the PPFOD isn't foreign at all.

"In fact, it was found to be a very thin flake of rock, so we can all rest easy tonight — Curiosity has not begun to shed its skin!" mission team member Brittney Cooper, an atmospheric scientist based at York University in Toronto, wrote in an update Thursday (Aug. 16).


Or maybe it's alien litter!
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Old 08-20-18, 07:59 PM
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Ice found on moon surface

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Astronomers have found patches of frost scattered around the moon’s north and south poles which could one day provide a source of water for human visitors.

The scientists spotted the telltale signature of frozen water in infrared measurements taken by Nasa’s moon mineralogy mapper, an instrument that flew on India’s Chandrayaan-1 mission to the moon a decade ago.

The freshly-analysed data show that water ice lurks on the ground in a number of spots near the moon’s polar regions that are permanently in shade and so sheltered from the heat of the sun’s rays.
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Old 08-21-18, 05:28 PM
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Interesting article:

https://www.space.com/41432-will-we-...ach-space.html

Another potential rocket replacement is StarTram. I explained how this audacious and cool-sounding solution would work in an article published last fall:

Magnetically-levitated spacecraft will be propelled inside a curved tube aimed skyward. All air will be evacuated from the tube in order to eliminate drag. Craft will exit the lengthy tube at a speed of 8.8 kilometers per second in order to escape Earth's atmosphere. A generation-1 StarTram design intended to launch cargo vessels will feature a 81-mile tube built up the side of a mountain to reach a launch altitude of 12,000 to 20,000 feet.

The beautiful thing about StarTram is that it's surprisingly feasible. All the required tech exists today; it just needs to be scaled up big time. That makes building StarTram a matter of time and money rather than a flight of fancy.
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Old 08-21-18, 05:30 PM
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Ice found on moon surface



Read more:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/...n-moon-surface
Water is the key to colonizing the moon and so far they keep finding more & more water on our nearest neighbor. Time to go back and this time stay for good!
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Old 08-21-18, 07:25 PM
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Time to go back and this time stay for good!
Well, the Cadillac commercial that I posted earlier (#1138) predicts that we will! :

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“Were we nuts when we pointed to the moon? That’s right. We went up there, and you know what we got? Bored. So, we left. Got a car up there, left the keys in it. Do you know why? ‘Cause we’re the only ones going back up there, that’s why.”
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Old 08-22-18, 06:33 AM
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We may explore the solar system while riding solar sails!

https://physics.aps.org/articles/v11...rce=emailalert

Space is a windy place, with a constant gale of high-energy particles blowing out from the Sun. As this “solar wind” expands, it imparts energy to interstellar atoms and molecules that are continuously flowing into our solar system. Now researchers have used instruments onboard an interplanetary spacecraft to measure this energy exchange inside a solar wind shock wave as it passed beyond the orbit of Pluto. Their results indicate that shock waves give a significant energy boost to ionized interstellar atoms, while solar wind particles caught up in the wave actually suffer an energy loss. The finding provides an important puzzle piece in understanding the origin of high-energy particles in the outer solar system.

The solar wind consists of fast-moving charged particles—mostly electrons and protons—that spread out to form a 19-billion-kilometer-wide cloud around the Sun. Intermixed with this cloud is a stream of neutral atoms that come from outside our Solar System. When these interstellar voyagers interact with solar wind particles, they can be ionized and accelerated in a process known as pickup. Scientists know that this process happens, but they don’t have all the details. Determining when and how so-called pickup ions are energized would help astrophysicists reconstruct the history of these ions and would shed light on the interstellar medium from which they originate. Moreover, studying energy transfer processes in our solar neighborhood could provide clues about what is happening around other stars.



One thing is for sure - space is definitely not empty!
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Old 08-22-18, 07:37 AM
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We may explore the solar system while riding solar sails!
Would be very cool if we can develop the technology to use it efficiently.

I remember reading about that concept in the book "Planet Of The Apes". It opens with a couple of folks using that device to move pretty quickly around different star systems. And that book was written in 1963!
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Old 08-22-18, 09:05 AM
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Charge up that battery, and let’s go!



http://www.planetary.org/blogs/jason...nch-nov30.html

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The Planetary Society's LightSail 2 spacecraft has proved it can withstand the rigors of launch aboard SpaceX's Falcon Heavy, the powerhouse rocket that will carry it into orbit. But that ride to space won't happen until at least November 30, as SpaceX works through a list of other payloads in line to fly first.
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After ... vibration tests, LightSail team members removed the spacecraft to perform a simple "aliveness” test; basically, they powered on the spacecraft long enough to verify its hardware still functioned correctly.
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The good news was that LightSail 2’s aliveness test showed it was perfectly fine! There was, however, one unexpected finding: The CubeSat’s onboard battery had drained from its maximum charge of about 4.2 volts down to 3.2 volts. This was a result of LightSail 2 having sat in storage for four months.
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... once right before ... LightSail 2 finally ship(s) to Florida, LightSail 2’s batteries will get charged up to full power.
LightSail 2 - Operational Readiness Test:

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Old 08-22-18, 10:41 AM
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One thing is for sure - space is definitely not empty!
Who knows what dark matter is really made up of since we can’t directly observe it, but we can thank ol’ Fritz for pointing out the ‘Dunkle Materie’ in the first place!



Moreover, Hawking suggested that further study of the universe’s dark matter could lead to the next major breakthrough in Cosmology!

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Old 08-23-18, 12:27 PM
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Gotcha! US Air Force's Secretive X-37B Space Plane Spotted by Satellite Tracker

https://www.space.com/41565-x-37b-sp...otos-otv5.html



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Old 08-23-18, 12:42 PM
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Gotcha! US Air Force's Secretive X-37B Space Plane Spotted by Satellite Tracker
OhioBobcatFan06 posted this video on this thread back in December - the photos you just posted look similar to the general shape of this "UFO" in the clip:

https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/18/polit...gon/index.html
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Old 08-23-18, 01:43 PM
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OhioBobcatFan06 posted this video on this thread back in December - the photos you just posted look similar to the general shape of this "UFO" in the clip:

https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/18/polit...gon/index.html
Agreed. Bet the space plane was the 'UFO' that was videotaped and talked about in OBF's article!
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Old 08-25-18, 08:56 AM
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NASA is starting to think BIG again:

https://www.space.com/41600-nasa-lun...ce-speech.html

"While our sights are once again set on our lunar neighbor, this time we're not content with just leaving behind footprints — or even to leave at all," Pence told the crowd of NASA employees. "The time has come, we really believe, for the United States of America to take what we have learned over these so many decades, put [NASA's] ingenuity and creativity to work, and establish a permanent presence around and on the moon."

To do that, he said, the U.S. would start with a long-term orbital platform near the moon.

"Last year, NASA began to work with American innovators to design [the Lunar] Gateway's unique electrical propulsion system. We're working with the Congress to provide an unprecedented $500 million to move the Lunar Orbital Platform from proposal to production," he added. "We're only a few short years away from launching the Gateway's first building blocks into space, turning science fiction into science fact. And our administration's working tirelessly to put an American crew aboard the Lunar Orbital Platform before the end of 2024."
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Old 08-29-18, 08:47 AM
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Great refresher on what the Pioneer & Voyager deep space probes contain for any alien civilization lucky enough to find them:

http://www.astronomy.com/news/2018/0...ge-in-a-bottle

The question asked by the article is will aliens understand the messages?

As Marshall McLuhan famously said, “The medium is the message.” While the recipients of the Pioneer plaque or the Voyager record might never understand everything we are trying to convey, the fact that these messages were placed on interstellar spacecraft carry (both for them and for us) a deeper message — that humans created these spacecraft and that we want to tell the universe who we are.


And I'll say again what I do every-time stories about these grossly irresponsible efforts come up: YOU DON'T ADVERTISE YOUR LOCATION IN THE JUNGLE. We have NO IDEA what the dynamics of the Galaxy's civilizations are. Maybe everything is all sugar & spice with diverse alien species joining hands (or tentacles) to sing hallelujah. But it's more likely that the civilizations of the Galaxy arose from the carnivores of their respective planets and like carnivores they take a dog eat dog view of the universe.
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Old 08-30-18, 03:05 PM
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Jupiter continues to fascinate:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/scien...ater-discovery

Astrophysicists at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, claim to have come one step closer to the discovery.

By peering into Jupiter’s famous Great Red Spot with thermal-sensitive telescopes, NASA’s Gordon Bjoraker said the space agency found chemical signatures of water in the planet’s clouds.

The researchers found Jupiter may contain between two to nine times more oxygen than the Sun.

Paired with vast deposits of molecular hydrogen, the findings support simulation models predicting the abundant presence of water.


It's looking more & more like there may be extensive atmospheric belts circling Jupiter that contain liquid water and reasonable temperatures. Could life exist in a completely airborne form? Could we construct habitats and place them in these potentially livable belts that encircle Jupiter?
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Old 08-31-18, 03:44 AM
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Somewhat of an oddly-worded article, but I like this:

https://www.space.com/41666-space-ba...-industry.html

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By disruption, I refer to schools throughout the United States that have embraced a “space-centric” approach to teaching science, technology, engineering and mathematics (STEM). Students can now take what they have learned in the classroom and, in partnership with organizations like DreamUp (which has launched 400 student-built payloads to date), conduct experiments aboard the International Space Station (ISS). Never before have so many learners had so much access to the ultimate laboratory, where teachers and students have an emotional stake in what happens to their projects.
And, from where Dad first went to grad school:

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Change is alive and well at Purdue University in West Lafayette, Indiana. A land-grant university famous for its aviation and aeronautical engineering programs, Purdue is the alma mater of 24 NASA astronauts, including moonwalkers Neil Armstrong and Gene Cernan. “As a student working with the ISS, I was presented with real problems to solve, real consequences for failure and therefore a real reason to learn,” Joe Tiberi, one of Purdue's many talented aerospace engineering students, said in a testimonial for DreamUp. Tiberi had the opportunity to design, test and build a science experiment through a program called High Schools United with NASA to Create Hardware (HUNCH).

Like other land-grant colleges, Purdue is an example of how schools are transitioning from one era to the next, as the demands of the industrial age — and the need for factory workers — yield to the importance of the information age, in which factories have fewer workers and employees have specialized skills. This university shows that the best way for a school to stay relevant is to refuse to stay complacent, making changes so that it graduates students fluent in STEM who are eager to explore space.
As I’ve mentioned before, my kid is a Science teacher who also teaches a STEM class. Went to visit the school before classes started to help dispose of some chemicals and saw a hallway glass-enclosed display room where my kid somehow erected an over-the-top ‘astronaut in outer space’ display for the kids. Guess the kids went crazy over it the first day of school.

Yesterday, was told the students got to watch cool videos about the SpaceX and NASA programs and watch a live stream from outer space on one of the school’s mobile, interactive SMARTboards (a week in, and the students fight each other to use it, even for educational purposes). Then, in STEM class, already training students to work with sophisticated TinkerCAD and 3D modeling software to design new products and then have their creations printed using the school’s MakerBot 3D printer (and was told they definitely don’t require any push to learn how to use the printer).

The next STEM project is to show students how to utilize Twine video game technology to develop text-based adventure video games, how to use the Selva3D web application to convert 2D drawings into 3D designs, and how to enter their ‘platformer’ game designs into a Super Deluxe/Game Lyfe website contest.

Must be a fun time to be a student!
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Old 08-31-18, 09:02 AM
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As I’ve mentioned before, my kid is a Science teacher who also teaches a STEM class. Went to visit the school before classes started to help dispose of some chemicals and saw a hallway glass-enclosed display room where my kid somehow erected an over-the-top ‘astronaut in outer space’ display for the kids. Guess the kids went crazy over it the first day of school.

Yesterday, was told the students got to watch cool videos about the SpaceX and NASA programs and watch a live stream from outer space on one of the school’s mobile, interactive SMARTboards (a week in, and the students fight each other to use it, even for educational purposes). Then, in STEM class, already training students to work with sophisticated TinkerCAD and 3D modeling software to design new products and then have their creations printed using the school’s MakerBot 3D printer (and was told they definitely don’t require any push to learn how to use the printer).

The next STEM project is to show students how to utilize Twine video game technology to develop text-based adventure video games, how to use the Selva3D web application to convert 2D drawings into 3D designs, and how to enter their ‘platformer’ game designs into a Super Deluxe/Game Lyfe website contest.

Must be a fun time to be a student!
Your son is doing awesome work here FootballFan1795. For the majority of students who select STEM careers it was the positive influence of their elementary, JH & HS science teachers that made the difference.

I also love the idea of teaching science to kids from the perspective of space exploration. First, EVERY form of STEM is well represented in space exploration. Kids can gravitate towards what interests them the most. Second, I believe that we are genetically hardwired as a species to explore the world beyond our own. This means that you are tapping into a child's natural curiosity & imagination when fashioning a science curriculum that focuses on space.

Tell him to keep up the good work. The truth is that the best jobs of the future will be in space or on the earth supporting our efforts in space.
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Old 08-31-18, 09:04 AM
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Good thing this meteorite wasn't bigger:

https://www.airlive.net/breaking-pre...eorite-impact/

The crew had to search for a leak, which was eventually traced to the Russian space capsule docked with the station.

The leak was found in the Soyuz craft, which is docked with the ISS, reported Russian space chief Dmitry Rogozin. The official said air was being sucked out through a 1.5mm fracture, which may have been caused by a micrometeorite impact.

“The crew safety is not in danger,” he said. “The spaceship will be kept, a repair kit will be used.”
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Old 08-31-18, 12:19 PM
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Your son is doing awesome work here FootballFan1795. For the majority of students who select STEM careers it was the positive influence of their elementary, JH & HS science teachers that made the difference.

I also love the idea of teaching science to kids from the perspective of space exploration. First, EVERY form of STEM is well represented in space exploration. Kids can gravitate towards what interests them the most. Second, I believe that we are genetically hardwired as a species to explore the world beyond our own. This means that you are tapping into a child's natural curiosity & imagination when fashioning a science curriculum that focuses on space.

Tell him to keep up the good work. The truth is that the best jobs of the future will be in space or on the earth supporting our efforts in space.
Thanks, lotr! I’ll be sure to pass along your encouraging comments.

Last year, it was especially intriguing to hear how a few students (who had been previously labeled by teachers and administrators alike as ‘poor students’ or as ‘troublemakers’) really flourished and excelled in my kid’s heavily space and technology-related classroom environment. You’re absolutely right in that teachers need to tap into kids’ natural curiosity and into what interests them. Stories of these ‘poor students’ choosing, on their own time, to peruse the books and materials on space exploration that were provided and of these kids confidently shouting out correct answers when challenged with complex, science/space/technology-related review questions were priceless. Moreover, the high interest level of the students and the amount of work that they accomplished were rather surprising, as many students asked to stay after school in order to continue working on their STEM projects.

Already, I know my kid feels like the luckiest person in the world to get to do this all day, but it’s always nice to get outside confirmation that what you are doing is of value.
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Good thing this meteorite wasn't bigger:

https://www.airlive.net/breaking-pre...eorite-impact/

The crew had to search for a leak, which was eventually traced to the Russian space capsule docked with the station.

The leak was found in the Soyuz craft, which is docked with the ISS, reported Russian space chief Dmitry Rogozin. The official said air was being sucked out through a 1.5mm fracture, which may have been caused by a micrometeorite impact.

“The crew safety is not in danger,” he said. “The spaceship will be kept, a repair kit will be used.”
"Good thing this meteorite wasn't bigger." No kidding. 1.5mm is tiny. I've always been fascinated by life onboard the International Space Station, including its dangers. A 1.5mm leak was significant enough to cause depressurization and some alarm. Imagine a "Gravity" movie type disaster!

I've mentioned it before, but astronaut Scott Kelly's book "Endurance" is a good read on daily life on the ISS.
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Old 09-02-18, 07:55 AM
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More on that hole in the space station, I'm assuming he was wearing gloves when he did this:

https://www.popularmechanics.com/spa...t-finger-tape/

At first, ESA astronaut Alexander Gerst simply plugged the hole with his finger to stop the leak, but of course, that’s not sufficient as a long-term solution. Instead, the astronauts used epoxy and Kapton tape—a form of high-strength tape commonly used in spacecraft—to seal the breach. As of this writing, the air pressure inside the station is stable, which means the seal is working.
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Old 09-03-18, 08:27 AM
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I was over at Instapundit (https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/) and Glen Reynolds noted that yesterday was the anniversary of the Carington Event. So what is the Carrington Event you might ask? How about the most dangerous natural phenomena that the modern world faces:

https://www.history.com/news/a-perfe...rrington-event

On the morning of September 1, 1859, amateur astronomer Richard Carrington ascended into the private observatory attached to his country estate outside of London. After cranking open the dome’s shutter to reveal the clear blue sky, he pointed his brass telescope toward the sun and began to sketch a cluster of enormous dark spots that freckled its surface. Suddenly, Carrington spotted what he described as “two patches of intensely bright and white light” erupting from the sunspots. Five minutes later the fireballs vanished, but within hours their impact would be felt across the globe.

That night, telegraph communications around the world began to fail; there were reports of sparks showering from telegraph machines, shocking operators and setting papers ablaze. All over the planet, colorful auroras illuminated the nighttime skies, glowing so brightly that birds began to chirp and laborers started their daily chores, believing the sun had begun rising. Some thought the end of the world was at hand, but Carrington’s naked eyes had spotted the true cause for the bizarre happenings: a massive solar flare with the energy of 10 billion atomic bombs. The flare spewed electrified gas and subatomic particles toward Earth, and the resulting geomagnetic storm—dubbed the “Carrington Event”—was the largest on record to have struck the planet.



If you believe in the precautionary principal, and I do to a point, this and NOT climate change is what we should be preparing ourselves for. It's imperative that we harden our electrical grid and other infrastructure to be able to survive a large solar eruption.

The added bonus would be that this effort would go a long way towards protecting us from a man made EMP blast delivered by an enemy detonating a nuclear bomb over North America.
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Old 09-04-18, 07:41 AM
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Want to see some really cool illustrations of what life on Mars might look like? Check this out:

https://www.space.com/41697-hp-mars-...challenge.html

The first picture looks like Disney world on Mars!
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