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Old 01-03-18, 10:54 PM
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Then he is an idiot and a perfect example of the small group of slithering low life's inhabiting college football who would cling to their little prejudices even if it means screwing the members of the conference that he collects a pay check from. Because the PAC 12 would benefit more than ANY OTHER P5 conference with an 8 team playoff that includes an automatic bid for its champ. What a tool this guy is.
Bizarre comment by Hunter. I agree, the PAC 12 would gain the most from an expanded playoff as IMO in a normal year they are the most likely to be excluded from the current four team playoff. If the usuals (Bama/Auburn, OSU/Penn State, Oklahoma, Clemson/Florida State) are good that year, they're pretty much screwed unless USC has a great year or somebody goes undefeated. Their lack of big football brands plus media issues (regional bias, east coast time and their game times) probably results in them being on the outside looking in more often than not, especially if Notre Dame happens to be good.
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Old 01-03-18, 11:02 PM
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I would have to believe ESPN would love an 8 or 12 team playoff. Even at 12, it just about guarantees them getting most/all of Bama, Ohio State, Oklahoma, USC, Notre Dame, etc. with six true at-large selections. Even with a UCF or a four loss conference champ the ratings would be huge due to the big brands, especially when they match up.
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Old 01-03-18, 11:05 PM
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I don't know how much stock you can put into those types of comments. Those guys said same thing about the BCS right up until they established the CFP
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Old 01-04-18, 02:26 AM
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Why, is this a constitutional amendment or a commandant from God?
Itís what the commissioners of the power 5 want, it takes all of 30 seconds of an online search to find their opinions. Unless the $ stops which isnít going to happen, you can have your opinions on 6,8 or 100 but it will be 4 for at least the next 8 seasons.
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Old 01-04-18, 02:39 AM
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Do any of you actually read or do an online search before you post such nonsense ? Obviously not or you would know the ins and outs of the CFP along with ESPN and how many bowls they actually have contracts for.
Go along and keep posting your ignorance about more teams and act like Neo and play tough guy hiding behind a keyboard calling names that he probably heard at his favorite bar.
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Old 01-04-18, 12:59 PM
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The NFL play-off system is vastly superior to the CFP ( corrupt as hell system where mostly middle aged academia think they know best and have complete control ). As I stated before best system IMO would be 8 play-off teams top 4 teams host. However crybama and its sister schools would be scared as hell to cross the Mason-Dixon line in Dec. or Jan. The system is fine to have Whisky play the " U " on Miami's home field, what is good for the goose should be good for the gander except for the corrupt CFP who they think know best.
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Old 01-04-18, 01:05 PM
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Do any of you actually read or do an online search before you post such nonsense ? Obviously not or you would know the ins and outs of the CFP along with ESPN and how many bowls they actually have contracts for.
Go along and keep posting your ignorance about more teams and act like Neo and play tough guy hiding behind a keyboard calling names that he probably heard at his favorite bar.
Everybody knows how the system works and how corrupt it is. But eventually it will change all corrupt systems do.
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Old 01-04-18, 01:42 PM
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The NFL play-off system is vastly superior to the CFP ( corrupt as hell system where mostly middle aged academia think they know best and have complete control ). As I stated before best system IMO would be 8 play-off teams top 4 teams host. However crybama and its sister schools would be scared as hell to cross the Mason-Dixon line in Dec. or Jan. The system is fine to have Whisky play the " U " on Miami's home field, what is good for the goose should be good for the gander except for the corrupt CFP who they think know best.
could you imagine the Bama boys having to play Whisky in the middle of December in Wisconsin.......
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Old 01-04-18, 01:48 PM
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could you imagine the Bama boys having to play Whisky in the middle of December in Wisconsin.......
Their too scared. They would have to be dragged kicking and screaming its too cold.
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Old 01-04-18, 01:51 PM
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could you imagine the Bama boys having to play Whisky in the middle of December in Wisconsin.......
Has nothing to do with anything.
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Old 01-04-18, 06:34 PM
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Itís what the commissioners of the power 5 want, it takes all of 30 seconds of an online search to find their opinions. Unless the $ stops which isnít going to happen, you can have your opinions on 6,8 or 100 but it will be 4 for at least the next 8 seasons.
Okay so the answer is that the playoffs could be expanded to 8 ASAP if they wanted to or are you suggesting that the commissioners have "real" power?

* You had me worried that some sort of metaphysical force was in control pushing the date out to 2026. But if it's the commissioners, big deal, we all know that they will do what they're told.

* ESPN would be thrilled to get more playoff games. They could extend the TV contract offering espn a couple of years of low cost or even "free" extra playoff games with their consent to immediately jump to an 8 team field and the only thing espn would ask is how high do you want us jump.

* Funny how you try to make those arguing for a rational playoff system look like crazies by even mentioning "100 teams".

* IMO if they don't expand from 4 to 8 teams in the near future, they will lose money in one of two ways: 1) Interest & ratings will decline so they will jeopardize the size of future TV contracts and/or 2) They will be guilty of leaving huge amounts of profit on the table by stubbornly refusing to speed up the playoff expansion time table. There is no rational argument against the notion that the college football playoffs are worth a whole lot more with 8 teams in then only 4.

I also suspect that BIG donors who pump money into various university's based on the prowess of their football programs, and there are a lot of those types, aren't going to be to happy with seeing their teams miss the playoffs year after year because the little minds running college football want to wait until 2026 to expand the playoffs.
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Old 01-04-18, 07:13 PM
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Do any of you actually read or do an online search before you post such nonsense ? Obviously not or you would know the ins and outs of the CFP along with ESPN and how many bowls they actually have contracts for.
Go along and keep posting your ignorance about more teams and act like Neo and play tough guy hiding behind a keyboard calling names that he probably heard at his favorite bar.
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Old 01-04-18, 09:37 PM
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Exactly. That was a private message. Funny how once he found out i live within 10 min of him he shut up.
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Old 01-04-18, 09:40 PM
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* Funny how you try to make those arguing for a rational playoff system look like crazies by even mentioning "100 teams".

* IMO if they don't expand from 4 to 8 teams in the near future, they will lose money in one of two ways: 1) Interest & ratings will decline so they will jeopardize the size of future TV contracts and/or 2) They will be guilty of leaving huge amounts of profit on the table by stubbornly refusing to speed up the playoff expansion time table. There is no rational argument against the notion that the college football playoffs are worth a whole lot more with 8 teams in then only 4.

I also suspect that BIG donors who pump money into various university's based on the prowess of their football programs, and there are a lot of those types, aren't going to be to happy with seeing their teams miss the playoffs year after year because the little minds running college football want to wait until 2026 to expand the playoffs.
Do a little investigating and read that what you have posted above is nonsense. No way in hell interest or ratings will decline.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa.../amp/952646001
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Old 01-04-18, 10:39 PM
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Do a little investigating and read that what you have posted above is nonsense. No way in hell interest or ratings will decline.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa.../amp/952646001
Oh yes it will if the current 4 team playoff format is kept until 2026! It's going to get awfully boring to a whole lot of people when the same 4 or 5 teams are playing for the national championship EVERY freaking year.

And we're not even talking about the missed opportunity of not going to 8 teams sooner rather than later. Can you honestly say that the current 4 team system would be more popular than an 8 team format? I really don't understand this dogged defense of the indefensible. I guess when you enjoy an unearned, built in advantage you never want it to change.
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Old 01-05-18, 12:37 AM
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It’s not a popularity contest im just flat telling you it isn’t going to change before 2026. Go ahead and take a screenshot of this page right now and then look at it in 2025 and say “well damnit he was right”.
This is the 4th year of the CFP, there have been 3 different champs all from a different conference. All of the Power 5 conferences have been in the playoff so far. I will say it again there is no way in hell the commissioners will agree to change the format before the contract is up.
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Old 01-05-18, 09:32 AM
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I think you nailed it NEO - the SEC supporters like the status quo because they already have an automatic bid and after this year they may have two automatic bids!

Frankly, the other conferences need to act NOW to push for an 8 team playoff sooner rather than later. This talk of waiting to 2026 is silly. This has to happen no later than 2020. And if the SEC balks, then do it without them.
Last year when there was such a fuss over PSU missing expansion talks were brought up and they mentioned that the current deal goes through 2025. Supposedly they can't/won't expand until after that.
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Old 01-05-18, 09:40 AM
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Oh yes it will if the current 4 team playoff format is kept until 2026! It's going to get awfully boring to a whole lot of people when the same 4 or 5 teams are playing for the national championship EVERY freaking year.

And we're not even talking about the missed opportunity of not going to 8 teams sooner rather than later. Can you honestly say that the current 4 team system would be more popular than an 8 team format? I really don't understand this dogged defense of the indefensible. I guess when you enjoy an unearned, built in advantage you never want it to change.
To be fair, a lot of the same teams are already in it year after year, and that would stop by moving to 8. Bama would ALWAYS be in, they're 4 for 4 so far. Clemson is 3 of 4. Ohio State and Oklahoma are 2 of 4.
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Old 01-05-18, 09:57 AM
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Last year when there was such a fuss over PSU missing expansion talks were brought up and they mentioned that the current deal goes through 2025. Supposedly they can't/won't expand until after that.
Oh god another 8 years of this? I'm so tired of people pissing and moaning about "we didn't make it!"
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Old 01-05-18, 10:00 AM
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To be fair, a lot of the same teams are already in it year after year, and that would stop by moving to 8. Bama would ALWAYS be in, they're 4 for 4 so far. Clemson is 3 of 4. Ohio State and Oklahoma are 2 of 4.
Don't get me wrong adselder09 I'm not complaining about Bama getting in, using the current goofy playoff criteria they probably should have edged out OSU. I'm saying that 4 teams isn't a big enough sample to decide the championship ON THE FIELD. With 8 teams and even more so with 12 teams, you will see new blood pretty much every year, especially at the lower seedings and this will add interest.

Sure the usual suspects will be getting in most years but they'll have to work harder to win the whole thing and the extra game or two provides us with a better chance that any flaws will be exposed.
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Old 01-05-18, 10:08 AM
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Don't get me wrong adselder09 I'm not complaining about Bama getting in, using the current goofy playoff criteria they probably should have edged out OSU. I'm saying that 4 teams isn't a big enough sample to decide the championship ON THE FIELD. With 8 teams and even more so with 12 teams, you will see new blood pretty much every year, especially at the #6 - #8 seedings and this will add interest.

Sure the usual suspects will be getting in most years but they'll have to work harder to win the whole thing and the extra game or two provides us with a better chance that any flaws will be exposed.
Regular season does count on the field too. Ohio showed their flaws against Oklahoma at home, and if that was not enough, they went on to give up 55 points, and lose by 31, to a mediocre team. The committee is not that goofy to figure out that this is not a top 4 team.
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Old 01-05-18, 10:20 AM
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Regular season does count on the field too. Ohio showed their flaws against Oklahoma at home, and if that was not enough, they went on to give up 55 points, and lose by 31, to a mediocre team. The committee is not that goofy to figure out that this is not a top 4 team.
Using that logic: Auburn beat Bama pretty solidly. Who lost to UCF (in the postseason). Pretty clear Bama is not a top 4 team.

* OSU definitely did not deserve to be in this year.
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Old 01-05-18, 10:24 AM
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Using that logic: Auburn beat Bama pretty solidly. Who lost to UCF (in the postseason). Pretty clear Bama is not a top 4 team.

* OSU definitely did not deserve to be in this year.
It is clear they are THIS YEAR. In fact they are a top 2 team at least for now
After Monday night, they might prove to be the #1, and best team.
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Old 01-05-18, 10:26 AM
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It is clear they are THIS YEAR. In fact they are a top 2 team at least for now
After Monday night, they might prove to be the #1, and best team.
You were talking about the regular season. And they lost to Auburn by 12, and never led, in the regular season. Pretty clear they weren't. Just using your logic.
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You were talking about the regular season. And they lost to Auburn by 12, and never led, in the regular season. Pretty clear they weren't. Just using your logic.
Were all 4 starting linebackers for Alabama playing in the Auburn game?
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Old 01-05-18, 10:35 AM
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Were all 4 starting linebackers for Alabama playing in the Auburn game?
Oh so now we're using injuries to excuse on field results. How about the weather or that an assistant coach got into a fight with his wife or that the refs screwed up. This is the problem with allowing subjective standards to be the driving force in determining your champion.

BTW, Ohio State won a national championship using their 3rd string QB.
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Old 01-05-18, 10:38 AM
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Regular season does count on the field too. Ohio showed their flaws against Oklahoma at home, and if that was not enough, they went on to give up 55 points, and lose by 31, to a mediocre team. The committee is not that goofy to figure out that this is not a top 4 team.
Yes it does but only as a way to pick a reasonable sample of teams that qualify for playoff competition in order to determine a champion on the field of play.

And sure OSU would not be in the top 4 but they would be in the top 8. And it would have been interesting to see how Clemson's or Alabama's less then stellar QB's would have handled the Bucs NFL D-line. Of course we'll never get that chance will we.
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Oh so now we're using injuries to excuse on field results. How about the weather or that an assistant coach got into a fight with his wife or that the refs screwed up. This is the problem with allowing subjective standards to be the driving force in determining your champion.

BTW, Ohio State won a national championship using their 3rd string QB.
No not using injuries as an excuse. Auburn beat Alabama THAT DAY. Everyone knew the 3 starters were going to be healthy by the playoff
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Were all 4 starting linebackers for Alabama playing in the Auburn game?
That might be the worst cop out I've seen on here. Every team deals with injuries. OSU won a national title with their 3rd sting QB. UGA is in the title game with their back up true frosh QB. On top of that: Miller, Wilson, Lewis, Moses, Evans, and Jennings all played in the Iron Bowl. All were listed on the 2 deep depth chart against FSU at the beginning of the year. The only one that didn't play was Hamilton.
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No not using injuries as an excuse.
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Were all 4 starting linebackers for Alabama playing in the Auburn game?
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