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Old 06-27-18, 08:12 PM
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There is no fight to be had, the Dems have no power.
MSNBC was talking about the dems disappearing from the floor and preventing a quorum...which would be pretty awesome.
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Old 06-27-18, 08:22 PM
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Couldn't McConnel then just change the Senate rules on what number of senators need to be present to constiute a quoarum?
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Old 06-27-18, 08:49 PM
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Her pulse should be checked hourly.

Like I said, the Kennedy thing is a fore drawn conclusion. We win again.

President Trump replacing Ginsburg will be the most fun. Keep your powder dry.
A conservative replacing a conservative...shouldnt be controversial really, status quo. Replacing Ginsburg should be the nomination that brings fireworks.
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Old 06-27-18, 09:05 PM
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“The next justice could dramatically change the direction of #SCOTUS for decades. The American people deserve a voice in that conversation.” — Mitch McConnell
They had one, they elected Trump on that very platform. Done. Thanks for playing!
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Old 06-27-18, 09:13 PM
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What do Libs have to fear? Gay rights and Roe v Wade are established law. That is not going to change. What Libs want is to further their push towards socialism and the elimination of borders. Their fear is that process will be slowed down with a more conservative jurist on the bench.
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Old 06-27-18, 09:16 PM
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Roe v Wade could absolutely be overturned. Not nearly as far fetched as you seem to think.
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Old 06-27-18, 09:30 PM
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Roe v Wade could absolutely be overturned. Not nearly as far fetched as you seem to think.
I heard that mentioned several times today. I too thought that was far fetched but perhaps not. With recent ability to see the growth of the child in the womb maybe that changes things.
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Old 06-27-18, 09:35 PM
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Roe v Wade could absolutely be overturned. Not nearly as far fetched as you seem to think.
Roe v. Wade could be overturned, but abortion would still be legal in a majority of states. Abortion rights could also be more limited so that it would become "safe, legal and rare, and by rare, I mean rare." - Hillary Clinton

Legalized abortion may be good public policy, but Roe v. Wade was an extra-Constitutional decision.
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Old 06-27-18, 09:43 PM
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I heard that mentioned several times today. I too thought that was far fetched but perhaps not. With recent ability to see the growth of the child in the womb maybe that changes things.
Definitely not far fetched. 4 justices currently support overturning Roe v Wade, Kennedy did not and was the key vote preventing its repeal. If Kennedy is replaced with someone who also would vote to overturn it, all that's left is getting the appeal in front of the supreme court(would be relatively easy) and it's game over.

The Dems best route to block a nominee would be to emphasize this fact, and hope Collins & Murkowski(both pro choice) break party lines.
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Old 06-27-18, 09:46 PM
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It won't happen. What might happen is that Roe v Wade might actually followed, which allows the outlawing of abortion in the third trimester and the limiting of abortion during the second trimester. If Roe was followed the "free abortion at any time for any reason" people would freak out. Those are the same people that freak every time reasonable limits are placed on abortion.

Roe is here to stay, but there is enough room within it to limit abortions.
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Old 06-27-18, 10:04 PM
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Roe v. Wade could be overturned, but abortion would still be legal in a majority of states. Abortion rights could also be more limited so that it would become "safe, legal and rare, and by rare, I mean rare." - Hillary Clinton

Legalized abortion may be good public policy, but Roe v. Wade was an extra-Constitutional decision.
Only a minority of states have provisions in their state consitutions or in the states' supreme court decisions that women have the right to obtain an abortion, not a majority of states. Think "blue" states like NY or NJ. If Roe is overturned, that would put an end to the idea that their is a federal right to an abortion. In essence the SC would be dumping the issue back into the states' laps. Each state would determine on its own the legalization of abortions. Therefore, as an example, a woman living in Montana would have to go east to Minnesota or west to Washington to get an abortion as the law would have it if Roe were overturned.

Abortion is such a hot blood issue that I don't think that Roberts would allow it to be overturned on a 5-4 vote. Ideally, a 6-3 or even better a 7-2 vote should be the goal for those seeking to overturn Roe.
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Old 06-27-18, 10:16 PM
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It won't happen.
What are you basing this on?
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Old 06-27-18, 11:06 PM
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Liberal mantra "by any means necessary". That is the source of all of our problems today. HRC's disregard for the law, the quite coup undertaken by some members of the FBI and DOJ to oust the President and the defacto open borders insisted on by the Democratic Party are all a result of this mindset. They think they know better than the American people and because they do, they do not believe the laws apply to them.

Basic "Rules for Radicals".
THIS. Well said.
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Old 06-27-18, 11:10 PM
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What are you basing this on?
I can't speak for purplemojo but I would think roe-v-wade will not be overturned anytime soon because Chief Justice Roberts has shown time after time to want to punt on any controversial cases to the point of refusing to hear them. Everyone here gets their panties in a bunch when a 5-4 decision is made but most of the cases SCOTUS is hearing now-a-days affect very few people.

Example: The Maryland "assault weapons" ban the SCOTUS refused to hear.

Something all so-called conservatives should be afraid of is Trump's bad habit of making decisions on the fly. He's on a major tariffs kick and he could nominate a closet liberal from let's say New York who supports tariffs just because that's his latest warm and fuzzy feeling and he feels like he needs someone on the high court who supports tariffs.
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Old 06-27-18, 11:18 PM
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No, no, and no. Any appointment he makes has to meet with the approval of the Federalist Society. 25 names have already been vetted for their conservative credentials, and Trump will choose one of them.
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Old 06-28-18, 12:29 AM
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Happy/Harry awful quiet.
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Old 06-28-18, 04:40 AM
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Happy/Harry awful quiet.
They haven't had the time to google "supreme court" yet, and since none of their follows have commented......
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Old 06-28-18, 04:43 AM
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Roe v Wade could absolutely be overturned. Not nearly as far fetched as you seem to think.
The right would be foolish to tackle it before other things, although I'm sure that some focused one-issue crusader will try to push it up the ladder.
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Old 06-28-18, 04:47 AM
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MSNBC was talking about the dems disappearing from the floor and preventing a quorum...which would be pretty awesome.
Taking their dolls and dishes and stomping their little feet all the way home
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Old 06-28-18, 04:51 AM
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A conservative replacing a conservative...shouldnt be controversial really, status quo. Replacing Ginsburg should be the nomination that brings fireworks.
Kennedy, conservative ? Kind of, I guess - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideolo...Court_justices





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Can I copyright #ThreeStooges ? Or #threeistheloneliestnumber ?
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Old 06-28-18, 05:41 AM
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What are you basing this on?
Res judicata and respect for the court. They will "distinguish" and they will "clarify" but they will not overturn. Generally speaking, overturning is something they do with established lower court decisions, not their own decisions.

Many jurists believe that Roe was bad law given our federal system and that the issue of abortion was being addressed by the various states and that is where it should have been addressed. Well, the ship has sailed on that. But, within Roe there is much room for states to limit the "right" to an abortion.

My family has been very involved in the Right to Life movement over the years. I believe that there is a strong majority of people opposed to late term abortion and partial birth abortions. I also believe that there is a majority of people opposed to public funding of abortion. Roe would allow both to be outlawed or limited. Of course that is anathema to the screeching mob of "abortion any time any where for any reason" folks but I believe that is where the fight will be in the future.
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Old 06-28-18, 06:24 AM
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Generally speaking, overturning is something they do with established lower court decisions, not their own decisions.
Stare decisis. I can only think of one time the SC has reversed itself, but that is not my expertise.

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. I believe that there is a strong majority of people opposed to late term abortion and partial birth abortions. I also believe that there is a majority of people opposed to public funding of abortion. Roe would allow both to be outlawed or limited. Of course that is anathema to the screeching mob of "abortion any time any where for any reason" folks but I believe that is where the fight will be in the future.
Exactly.
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Old 06-28-18, 06:43 AM
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Chrissy is still crying on MSNBC!

My advice to his fellow moonbats is forget about Kennedy's replacement. You've already lost that one. Start pumping Ginsburg full of steroids/preservatives/pickle juice. She's 85...and she's next.
i swear isn't Ginsburg, Harry Reid dressed in drag?
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Old 06-28-18, 06:45 AM
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Stare decisis. I can only think of one time the SC has reversed itself, but that is not my expertise.
Right. I was close. My latin is not so good.
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Old 06-28-18, 06:45 AM
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I heard that mentioned several times today. I too thought that was far fetched but perhaps not. With recent ability to see the growth of the child in the womb maybe that changes things.
liberals don't care if the baby could be playing on a swing set.... they feel that the woman has the right to murder it...
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Old 06-28-18, 06:48 AM
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All she had to do was just go to Michigan and Wisconsin a couple farking times.
Marsha..Marsha... Marsha.....OOPS!! i mean RUSSIANS...RUSSIANS....RUSSIANS........
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Old 06-28-18, 06:53 AM
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Twitter was a fun read this morning before getting up for the day. Lots of triggered/hysterical lefties. People demanding it be a black woman as the next Justice. As if their demands mean anything.
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Old 06-28-18, 07:15 AM
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Twitter was a fun read this morning before getting up for the day. Lots of triggered/hysterical lefties. People demanding it be a black woman as the next Justice. As if their demands mean anything.
Do you think they'd be OK with Condoleezza Rice
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Old 06-28-18, 07:51 AM
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Twitter was a fun read this morning before getting up for the day. Lots of triggered/hysterical lefties. People demanding it be a black woman as the next Justice. As if their demands mean anything.
I'd give them what they want - a black female conservative. The wailing and gnashing of teeth would be fun to watch.

Seriously, that's prescient I was just thinking yesterday that Trump would be smart to nominate a black conservative.
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Old 06-28-18, 08:23 AM
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The right would be foolish to tackle it before other things, although I'm sure that some focused one-issue crusader will try to push it up the ladder.
Agreed. However a not insignificant portion of the right literally believes its equivalent to genocide, so I wouldn't hold my breath that rational thought will overtake emotion.
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