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Old 04-09-18, 01:16 PM
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6th Grade Scrimmage Jamboree

Coaches and Team Administrators,
Perkins Youth Football Program will be hosting a 6 team scrimmage Jamboree. Perkins has a 3.7 million dollar stadium with a turf field in Sandusky, OH. Saturday August 25, 2018. Round 1 - 2:00 pm

I have included an attachment with the details. But the basics are:
2 scrimmages with 30 plays
Team A Offense - 15 plays vs Team B Defense (1st team vs 1st team)
Team B Offense - 15 plays vs Team A Defense (1st team vs 1st team)
Team A Offense - 15 plays vs Team B Defense (2nd/3rd team vs 2nd/3rd team)
Team B Offense - 15 plays vs Team A Defense (2nd/3rd team vs 2nd/3rd team)

3rd Scrimmage is a 12 minute Quarter (1 timeout each team)

$150 entry fee to cover OHSAA Certified Referee's.

WE WILL TAKE THE FIRST 5 TEAMS THAT RESPOND.

We may add a couple 4th/5th or all 5th grade teams if interested to play starting at 5:00 pm. Contact me if they are interested too.

Travis Crabtree
419-656-2666
tcrabtree@perkinsschools.org
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Old 04-09-18, 01:51 PM
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6th grade football scrimmage jamboree my ***.

No offense, sorry. Good luck.
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Old 04-09-18, 08:13 PM
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6th grade tackle football is a really bad idea. Kids at that age lack the coordination to wear the equipment and maintain coordination. As a result technique in tackling is very poor. Dont believe me, check the data that is readily available. As far as I'm concerned, it should be flag football until 9th grade.
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Old 04-10-18, 12:45 PM
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According to your post these kids graduated in 2014.
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Old 04-10-18, 01:05 PM
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6th grade tackle football is a really bad idea. Kids at that age lack the coordination to wear the equipment and maintain coordination. As a result technique in tackling is very poor. Dont believe me, check the data that is readily available. As far as I'm concerned, it should be flag football until 9th grade.
Can't agree with you, after watching 5th and 6th graders for the last 4 years they are perfectly fine with wearing the equipment. Now if you said wait until 5the grade I would agree. Can you imagine 7th thru 8th graders playing flag football. There would be more injuries doing that than tackling football.

In my opinion the problem with football is the rules of not being able to practice tackling everyday. Now I wouldn't go back to the 90's and before but the rules are causing more injuries, espically in pee wee football. We had 5th and 6th graders the last two year going into scrimmages that have barely practiced tackling. Again because of the rule that took effect two years ago.
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Old 04-10-18, 01:53 PM
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6th grade tackle football is a really bad idea. Kids at that age lack the coordination to wear the equipment and maintain coordination. As a result technique in tackling is very poor. Dont believe me, check the data that is readily available. As far as I'm concerned, it should be flag football until 9th grade.
Middle school kids playing "flag football" with no pads? Are you kidding me? It would be a rugby scrum every play and even more kids would get hurt. At middle school levels and below, nobody runs hard enough or hits hard enough to warrant severe danger. It's people like you that are the reason the NFL won't exist in 25 years.
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Old 04-10-18, 02:21 PM
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Middle school kids playing "flag football" with no pads? Are you kidding me? It would be a rugby scrum every play and even more kids would get hurt. At middle school levels and below, nobody runs hard enough or hits hard enough to warrant severe danger. It's people like you that are the reason the NFL won't exist in 25 years.
I've seen Utah grade flag......no such plays as you describe.


I always laugh at thos who push pre JH football. Ourcounties 23 state titles by teams who start football in 7th grade trumps the 0 by those schools who start at the youth level.
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Old 04-10-18, 03:03 PM
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Old 04-11-18, 12:46 PM
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I've seen Utah grade flag......no such plays as you describe.


I always laugh at thos who push pre JH football. Ourcounties 23 state titles by teams who start football in 7th grade trumps the 0 by those schools who start at the youth level.
I understand what your saying but have your son grow up around a big town where mostly everyone who is going to play Jr high football plays pee wee football. He better be one hell of a stud to come out for 7th grade football and everyone else has been playing for 4, 5 or 6 years. I've seen it happen and the kids are shell shocked when the hitting starts. I didn't let my son start until 3rd grade and he still had a couple of weeks to get use to the hitting. Who are the teams that start pee wee first in god's country? Also who are the teams in your division that have pee wee football that you have beat going for those state titles? I know kirtland has pee wee football so that's working for them right? I
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Old 04-11-18, 07:12 PM
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The whole midget/pee wee football thing has been discussed to death. There is no correlation with varsity success or failure, varsity coaches are the reason varsity teams win or lose. And the quality of athletes at the school probably have a bigger hand in the success, too.
St. Marys Memorial has had midget football for many years. Their varsity success ebbed and flowed with the change of head coaches. Skip Baughman had great success despite having midget football.
Delphos has had midget football for many years. DSJ's success only came after we hired a good varsity coach. We had midget football during our 57 game winning streak and during the time we won six state titles.
There are undoubtedly numerous towns across Ohio with no midget football and no varsity success.
It's not as big an issue as many try to make it out to be.
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Old 04-11-18, 09:17 PM
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I understand what your saying but have your son grow up around a big town where mostly everyone who is going to play Jr high football plays pee wee football. He better be one hell of a stud to come out for 7th grade football and everyone else has been playing for 4, 5 or 6 years. I've seen it happen and the kids are shell shocked when the hitting starts. I didn't let my son start until 3rd grade and he still had a couple of weeks to get use to the hitting. Who are the teams that start pee wee first in god's country? Also who are the teams in your division that have pee wee football that you have beat going for those state titles? I know kirtland has pee wee football so that's working for them right? I
The only teams in the MAC that I can think of with youth football are Delphos St. Johns and Parkway.
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Old 04-12-18, 06:23 AM
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Pee Wee football is the same as any other sport in younger grades (little league, etc): it's about getting kids to learn the rules of the game, getting them used to the equipment, starting to develop those sport specific skills and learning teamwork with other kids of the same age, not about winning state titles 8 years later. Does it help grow a high school program long term? Sure why not. But that's not the reason that dad is signing little Johnny up for football or little league in the 5th grade.
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Old 04-12-18, 07:13 AM
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I understand what your saying but have your son grow up around a big town where mostly everyone who is going to play Jr high football plays pee wee football. He better be one hell of a stud to come out for 7th grade football and everyone else has been playing for 4, 5 or 6 years. I've seen it happen and the kids are shell shocked when the hitting starts. I didn't let my son start until 3rd grade and he still had a couple of weeks to get use to the hitting. Who are the teams that start pee wee first in god's country? Also who are the teams in your division that have pee wee football that you have beat going for those state titles? I know kirtland has pee wee football so that's working for them right? I
The Voice was referring to Mercer county as you correctly called god's country, where 4 schools who do not have pee-wee football have won 23 state titles compared to 0 by the two school districts that do have pee-wee football. Can a school district win state with pee-wee football certainly, but IMO it is totally unnecessary.
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Old 04-12-18, 09:15 PM
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The Voice was referring to Mercer county as you correctly called god's country, where 4 schools who do not have pee-wee football have won 23 state titles compared to 0 by the two school districts that do have pee-wee football. Can a school district win state with pee-wee football certainly, but IMO it is totally unnecessary.
I certainly don't think it has helped either Parkway or Celina. Heck 2 years ago Celina had 35 on their football team which was the lowest in the entire county. Their successful soccer team also doesn't help.
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Old 04-12-18, 09:41 PM
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I certainly don't think it has helped either Parkway or Celina. Heck 2 years ago Celina had 35 on their football team which was the lowest in the entire county. Their successful soccer team also doesn't help.
From 1988-1994 Coldwater football was not good. One winning season and never more than .500 in the MAC. No midget football. In 1995 they got very good and still are. No midget football. What changed in 1995? John Reed was hired? Lack of midget football had no effect, positive or negative, on Coldwater football. But a good head coach had a total effect.

From 1990-1998 Marion Local football was average at best. No midget football. In 1999 they started to become a power with numerous state titles. That was the year Tim Goodwin was hired. No midget football. Again, lack of midget football had zero effect on Marion Local football. A good head coach had all the effect.

Midget football has no effect on varsity success or failure. A good varsity coach does.
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Old 04-13-18, 12:48 PM
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From 1988-1994 Coldwater football was not good. One winning season and never more than .500 in the MAC. No midget football. In 1995 they got very good and still are. No midget football. What changed in 1995? John Reed was hired? Lack of midget football had no effect, positive or negative, on Coldwater football. But a good head coach had a total effect.

From 1990-1998 Marion Local football was average at best. No midget football. In 1999 they started to become a power with numerous state titles. That was the year Tim Goodwin was hired. No midget football. Again, lack of midget football had zero effect on Marion Local football. A good head coach had all the effect.

Midget football has no effect on varsity success or failure. A good varsity coach does.
You're 100% correct. Good example is my high school Sidney and my kids high school Little Miami. LM has k-6 pee wee and Sidney has 5 and 6, nothing has helped them. Now LM might be headed in the right direction with this coach, well see when we start playing a better schedule. I do think Sidney 5th and 6th had helped Anna and Ft. Loramie more than it has helped Sidney.
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Old 08-05-18, 04:58 PM
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Is it politically correct to use the term "midget?"
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From 1988-1994 Coldwater football was not good. One winning season and never more than .500 in the MAC. No midget football. In 1995 they got very good and still are. No midget football. What changed in 1995? John Reed was hired? Lack of midget football had no effect, positive or negative, on Coldwater football. But a good head coach had a total effect.

From 1990-1998 Marion Local football was average at best. No midget football. In 1999 they started to become a power with numerous state titles. That was the year Tim Goodwin was hired. No midget football. Again, lack of midget football had zero effect on Marion Local football. A good head coach had all the effect.

Midget football has no effect on varsity success or failure. A good varsity coach does.
Uh just for the record,coach Reed was run out of town at Lebanon high school in SW Ohio. Uh I understand he was a gr8 coach in the MAC. Uh, not so much in the MML.
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Old 08-05-18, 05:23 PM
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6th grade tackle football is a really bad idea. Kids at that age lack the coordination to wear the equipment and maintain coordination. As a result technique in tackling is very poor. Dont believe me, check the data that is readily available. As far as I'm concerned, it should be flag football until 9th grade.
What are they, baby Giraffes? Not too sure what part of Ohio you live in but in the Youngstown/Warren area 6th graders have plenty of coordination. I would love to see this readily available data that you speak of.
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Old 08-06-18, 01:03 AM
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You're 100% correct. Good example is my high school Sidney and my kids high school Little Miami. LM has k-6 pee wee and Sidney has 5 and 6, nothing has helped them. Now LM might be headed in the right direction with this coach, well see when we start playing a better schedule. I do think Sidney 5th and 6th had helped Anna and Ft. Loramie more than it has helped Sidney.
I wouldn't exactly use Little Miami as an example of how youth football helps a program in the long run. They've been one of the quickest growing districts in the state for the past 15 years and still haven't accomplished anything at the HS level. Maybe they're winning 3rd grade Championships though.
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Old 08-06-18, 07:44 AM
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Is it politically correct to use the term "midget?"
Not if we are talking about actual midgets and not using the word as a synonym for "little kids".

I believe that I would watch an actual midget football game...at least once...just to hear the announcers squirm "The kick is up and....uh....just a little short."
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I understand what your saying but have your son grow up around a big town where mostly everyone who is going to play Jr high football plays pee wee football. He better be one hell of a stud to come out for 7th grade football and everyone else has been playing for 4, 5 or 6 years. I've seen it happen and the kids are shell shocked when the hitting starts. I didn't let my son start until 3rd grade and he still had a couple of weeks to get use to the hitting. Who are the teams that start pee wee first in god's country? Also who are the teams in your division that have pee wee football that you have beat going for those state titles? I know kirtland has pee wee football so that's working for them right? I
Exactly right...
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I wouldn't exactly use Little Miami as an example of how youth football helps a program in the long run. They've been one of the quickest growing districts in the state for the past 15 years and still haven't accomplished anything at the HS level. Maybe they're winning 3rd grade Championships though.
The problem at Little Miami is that they have a great pee wee program and a crappy JH and HS program. Too much coach turn over and zero system push down to the pee wee. Now they have another DB coach that will leave as soon as he gets a better offer and they cycle will continue.

Pee Wee football is useless if the HS system is not implemented and used throughout. Its the only way its benefits the HS result. Otherwise the negatives out-way its usefulness.
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The problem at Little Miami is that they have a great pee wee program and a crappy JH and HS program. Too much coach turn over and zero system push down to the pee wee. Now they have another DB coach that will leave as soon as he gets a better offer and they cycle will continue.

Pee Wee football is useless if the HS system is not implemented and used throughout. Its the only way its benefits the HS result. Otherwise the negatives out-way its usefulness.
Doesn't help either that 2 of the best 5 players on the 8th grade team went to Moeller this year. Also a 3rd that was a decent reciever. The one was a running back that would've been starting on Friday nights this year.
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Doesn't help either that 2 of the best 5 players on the 8th grade team went to Moeller this year. Also a 3rd that was a decent reciever. The one was a running back that would've been starting on Friday nights this year.
That's not going to change until you get a real coach in there and the community embraces his system, pushes it all the way down and executes it. Its going to take time.
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Always get a chuckle out of the guys who think pee wee football is real important. Hey, if the kids like it they should do it. Way better than sitting on the couch doing nothing. But if a kid doesn't start until 7th grade they will be just fine. They will get used to the hitting in short order (it isn't MMA or anything). They can pick up the offense & defense pretty quickly too.
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Always get a chuckle out of the guys who think pee wee football is real important. Hey, if the kids like it they should do it. Way better than sitting on the couch doing nothing. But if a kid doesn't start until 7th grade they will be just fine. They will get used to the hitting in short order (it isn't MMA or anything). They can pick up the offense & defense pretty quickly too.
I always get a chuckle out of opposing coaches when I run chains for the freshman games. They are trying to teach fundamentals of football and correcting eight mistakes on each of the four plays they can run while our boys hang 40 on them with a team who can run more of the playbook then the fresh coaches allow them to because they've been doing it for years already.

Winning is a habit and it helps with retention too.
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I always get a chuckle out of opposing coaches when I run chains for the freshman games. They are trying to teach fundamentals of football and correcting eight mistakes on each of the four plays they can run while our boys hang 40 on them with a team who can run more of the playbook then the fresh coaches allow them to because they've been doing it for years already.

Winning is a habit and it helps with retention too.
So you know if those kids on the opposing team started in 7th grade? Or maybe the other team just has bad coaching?

It's freshmen football. Doesn't matter until they hit varsity right?
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So you know if those kids on the opposing team started in 7th grade? Or maybe the other team just has bad coaching?

It's freshmen football. Doesn't matter until they hit varsity right?

Never really asked. Have had plenty of conversations with opposing coaches during games, at the half, etc.

The comment was to point out the advantage of having a program that is followed as far down as you can get it. Hell, most of these schools don't even run the same system in JH. Never made any sense to me. And yes it matters to the varsity in terms of numbers, numbers go down when you suck at fresh and JV, and the fact that tweaking and adding to offensive and defensive schemes is easier when the players are already proficient with the basics.
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Never really asked. Have had plenty of conversations with opposing coaches during games, at the half, etc.

The comment was to point out the advantage of having a program that is followed as far down as you can get it. Hell, most of these schools don't even run the same system in JH. Never made any sense to me. And yes it matters to the varsity in terms of numbers, numbers go down when you suck at fresh and JV, and the fact that tweaking and adding to offensive and defensive schemes is easier when the players are already proficient with the basics.
Unless your varsity is always good. Then you learn to take your lumps a little on the frosh or JV squads biding your time to play in prime time. And you know that the pain is worth the reward.

I don't disagree that the JH should be playing some version of what the HS plays. It only makes sense. Maybe have some JH coach specific plays thrown in that you know the HS doesn't run to help you get a first down, etc.

But at the same time, it's not impossible to learn a whole new system in the summer either if you have good coaching and kids willing to learn. From my junior to senior year we learned an entirely new defense. Pretty much everyone had to learn a new defensive position as a result. Maybe 1 or 2 people found themselves in a similar role. And even then they went from a nearly 100% zone coverage to 100% man coverage. Not only did we learn it but we did well with it as we were 2nd in the WOL in team defense if I remember correctly.

So yes, playing the same offense & defense as the varsity certainly has benefits but kids can pick up something completely new to them as well.
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