Snowy day, got a lot of work done, let's get moving with 2011.
Week 1: OPEN
Week 2: Saturday, Sept. 3rd 2 p.m. @ Penn Hills
Week 3: Saturday, Sept. 9th CARDINAL MOONEY 7 p.m.
Week 4: OPEN
Week 5: Saturday, Sept. 24th ELDER 7 p.m.
Week 6: OPEN
Week 7: Friday, Oct. 7th ST. FRANCIS DESALES 7:30 p.m.
Week 8: Saturday, Oct. 15th @ St. Xavier 2 p.m.
Week 9: Saturday, Oct. 22nd ARCHBISHOP MOELLER 2 p.m.
Week 10: Saturday, Oct. 29th ST. IGNATIUS 7 p.m.
Teams open week 1: Mayfield, SVSM
Teams open week 4: Massillon, Walsh Jesuit, Steubenville, Ryle (KY)
Teams open week 6: Massillon, Steubenville, Glen Mills (PA)
Note: Benedictine is off the schedule for the foreseeable future with their new league schedule.
I'll try to find out more about it this Friday, when our basketball team has another home game. Right now, I'm getting a lot of "probably," "maybe" and "I don't know" from the people whom I ask.
I just have to ask the one person who would know for sure. I'll make sure to do that Friday.
We really need a home game for 2011. I'm sure Solon would be willing to do a home-and-home.
I'll try to find out more about it this Friday, when our basketball team has another home game. Right now, I'm getting a lot of "probably," "maybe" and "I don't know" from the people whom I ask.
I just have to ask the one person who would know for sure. I'll make sure to do that Friday.
We really need a home game for 2011. I'm sure Solon would be willing to do a home-and-home.
I imagine it would only happen as a last resort. McQuaide has made it clear in the past that he prefers to wait until the playoffs to face the Catholic schools. Not really sure why. Solon has proven to be more than capable of competing in most years, and there are usually enough harbins to be had on their schedule to cope with a loss.
I imagine it would only happen as a last resort. McQuaide has made it clear in the past that he prefers to wait until the playoffs to face the Catholic schools. Not really sure why. Solon has proven to be more than capable of competing in most years, and there are usually enough harbins to be had on their schedule to cope with a loss.
It's pretty clear, IMO. He's coached at St Eds and knows the advantage that privates have. Lots of public schools are taking the same approach.
It's pretty clear, IMO. He's coached at St Eds and knows the advantage that privates have. Lots of public schools are taking the same approach.
I can understand the hesitancy of most public schools, but I find it silly for the ones who are well resourced (good coaching, community, and athletes), and whose conference schedules provide a wealth of harbins in the event of a loss. What is there to lose by signing a short term deal?
I'll try to find out more about it this Friday, when our basketball team has another home game. Right now, I'm getting a lot of "probably," "maybe" and "I don't know" from the people whom I ask.
I just have to ask the one person who would know for sure. I'll make sure to do that Friday.
We really need a home game for 2011. I'm sure Solon would be willing to do a home-and-home.
According to this, Solon only has week three open. Is there something wrong on there?
According to this, Solon only has week three open. Is there something wrong on there?
No. Our lone opening is Week 3. Euclid had been on the schedule for that week but apparently withdrew.
That's why I asked EagleFan if Mooney had been dropped from St. Edward's schedule, or if perhaps the game had been switched to a different week.
From what I heard last week (from reliable sources), Solon is trying to schedule St. Edward for Week 3. I have no idea what that means for St. Ed's scheduled game with Mooney that week. Maybe it's been moved to a different week, I really don't know.
I was told that a Solon-St. Edward matchup is likely, though not written in stone. It will probably be at Solon, though that's also not certain, and is a sticking point at this time. Solon needs a home game because the Comets are on the road weeks 1, 2, 5 and 6.
I'm aware that McQuaide has shied away from scheduling St. Ignatius or St. Edward in the past. Apparently, he's changed his mind, because #1 - he thinks Solon will be good enough to compete at that level in 2011, or #2 - he's come to the realization that the Comets will be better prepared for the playoffs if they play some elite teams during the regular season.
Also, Solon has had trouble lining up OOC opponents recently. That's why the Comets are playing Kilbourne in a home-and-home. Few local teams are willing to play Solon at this time.
I thought someone had mentioned the Lakewood Rangers might be back on the Eagles schedule in the near future? Any chance of this happening next season or the following?
Not sure why DeSales would do that or why Eds would let them out of the contract. If true, not sure how we can get to 9 games. Canadians may be heading our way...
What a great experience 2010 has been. Congratulations to the players, students, coaches, parents, administration, teachers, supporters and alumni.
While repeating as champions is an uphill battle, we can enjoy the status of defending champions going into next season. it will be great to compete, regardless of the outcome in 2011. Nevertheless, go Eagles!
That said, I think this year has changed the fortunes of St. Ed. While no one pays 10K plus to send their kid to a private Catholic school just because they have or had a good football team, the success of this team has brought a significant amount of positive attention to the fine academic programs at St. Ed. Upon seeing my St. Ed pullover yesterday, a parent of a future high schooler commented to me that she watched the game on TV, thought it was great, and asked if I knew anything about the Engineering Program or the new IB degree program. Yes, word gets out.
They'll deny it, but Ignatius never got so smart until they suddenly started to win D1 football titles. They masterfully transferred the attention to their academic programs and the rest is history. They were suddenly "better" than everyone else. Coach Kyle's 10 titles are legendary, but they had a bigger effect on the perception, and yes, the reality of academic excellence. The Ignatius purists may deny the role of D1 football success, but I saw it play out firsthand in Westpark.
President Kubacki is transforming the school in a positive way that has not been seen in years. Coach Finotti brings that tough St. Joe mentality with a whole new commitment. In many ways the best thing that happened to St. Ed, is the marriage that continues with the old St. Joe folks. Go Vikings!
Win or lose, 2011 is going to be both fun and rewarding.
They'll deny it, but Ignatius never got so smart until they suddenly started to win D1 football titles. They masterfully transferred the attention to their academic programs and the rest is history. They were suddenly "better" than everyone else. Coach Kyle's 10 titles are legendary, but they had a bigger effect on the perception, and yes, the reality of academic excellence. The Ignatius purists may deny the role of D1 football success, but I saw it play out firsthand in Westpark.
Your thinking is warped (and your view of historic Ignatius "smartness" is off-base ). The PR is better now, but I'd put the smartness of my mid 70's class up against any recent class.
You fall victim to the great logical fallacy: "post hoc ergo propter hac"...after the fact, therefore because of the fact. Ignatius wins football titles, the school's fortunes get better...ergo, the fortunes are better because of football.
I know some of your buds will now throw up their hands (screw them, btw), but you invited "us" in, so I'll offer my take.
Winning a football title is a great accomplishment, not just for the athletic program, but for the whole school community. Lots of good feeling results and there is an opportunity to build on it. But a quantum leap in the fortunes of the school isn't likely to come from this achievement. Take Elder's back to back state titles a few years back. The school appears to be weaker today than before that achievement. Maybe you can explain what happened to Elder. Of course, the answer is that, overall, those football titles didn't change the larger dynamics (bad neighborhood, departed alumni, diocesan leadership-not enough religious in the school).
Ignatius...let's go back to the 60's and the 70's. Joe's, 2200 students; Ed's, 1600-1700; Ignatius, 1200. We proceed through the 70's and 80's and most private schools dip precipitously (btw...Chuck Kyle isn't the football coach during this stretch). Joe's, over time, nearly is out of business. Ed's does better, but is about 60% of what it used to be. Ignatius remained steady during this big decline. Why? IMO, it's the presence of the Jesuits, a religious order that remains relatively strong and, over time, becomes THE brand in Catholic education. Meanwhile, the Marianists blow town (goodbye Latin, Joe's off to hospice care), the Holy Cross Brothers shrink into insignificance, causing major leadership issues @ St. Ed's (which only very recently seem to be resolving themselves...and, of course it has nothing to do with football).
So, we get to around 1990 and Ignatius is still around 1200; Ed's is below 1000 and St. Joe's is below 500. At this point, none of the sehs73's football "effects" have yet occurred. Then, the great Ignatius benefactor, Murlan Murphy, gives the school three buildings. That generosity had nothing to do with football.
St. Ed's once had the upper hand over Ignatius for north-west siders. For about a decade Ed's probably got more of the "better" kids. Then, Ignatius made the decision to stay, cleaned up its property and the trends mentioned above started to take over.
You mention West Park...I think your "take" on this is way off. First, let's acknowledge that, as far as Ed's and Ignatius are concerned, West Park is now a pretty small place (in terms of potential enrollees). I think I'm as familiar with West Park as you are. What do I see? Money is ruling the roost. West Parkers may feel an historic kinship to St. Ed's, but, with their paltry CPD salaries, they're following the money...vouchers for some, which Ed's can't compete with (not a Cleveland school) and financial aid (Ignatius has much more). So, you think an Ed's hoodie in the hood means big things are happening for Ed's. I see the hoodies too, and I think it may "turn" a few, but not enough to mean much.
So, overall, I think this...good extracurriculars help. Football is the pre-eminent extracurricular in Ohio schools. Win a lot of football games and there is a chance that it can be used as a springboard. Has good football helped SIHS (the institution) over the years? Yes, but not as much as you believe. If the underlying fundamentals weren't very good (the fundamentals that kept Ignatius steady from '70 to '90 while Ed's and Joe's dropped dramatically), it wouldn't matter, just like it hasn't mattered at Elder. Also, keep in mind that the poster boy is everything that any community could want in that role (Finotti could end up being that kind of guy as well).
I mentioned this a few months back. If St. Ed's incoming freshman class next year is up 30-40 kids, that would be a huge boost from the football success. To expect something more than that isn't realistic imo.
What a great experience 2010 has been. Congratulations to the players, students, coaches, parents, administration, teachers, supporters and alumni.
While repeating as champions is an uphill battle, we can enjoy the status of defending champions going into next season. it will be great to compete, regardless of the outcome in 2011. Nevertheless, go Eagles!
That said, I think this year has changed the fortunes of St. Ed. While no one pays 10K plus to send their kid to a private Catholic school just because they have or had a good football team, the success of this team has brought a significant amount of positive attention to the fine academic programs at St. Ed. Upon seeing my St. Ed pullover yesterday, a parent of a future high schooler commented to me that she watched the game on TV, thought it was great, and asked if I knew anything about the Engineering Program or the new IB degree program. Yes, word gets out.
They'll deny it, but Ignatius never got so smart until they suddenly started to win D1 football titles. They masterfully transferred the attention to their academic programs and the rest is history. They were suddenly "better" than everyone else. Coach Kyle's 10 titles are legendary, but they had a bigger effect on the perception, and yes, the reality of academic excellence. The Ignatius purists may deny the role of D1 football success, but I saw it play out firsthand in Westpark.
President Kubacki is transforming the school in a positive way that has not been seen in years. Coach Finotti brings that tough St. Joe mentality with a whole new commitment. In many ways the best thing that happened to St. Ed, is the marriage that continues with the old St. Joe folks. Go Vikings!
Win or lose, 2011 is going to be both fun and rewarding.
One of the few advantages of being really old is the ability to detect revisionist history like the crap posted above. Back in the stone age when Ed's was the new kid on the block and the football playoff system was an unrealized dream, the academic excellence of my class at Ignatius was evidenced by the 99+% of grads who went on to college, typical of all the Ignatius classes in the four years I attended. Ed's then was the westside Catholic "trade" school, where considerably less than 50% of each year's class went on to college. There was no correlation whatsoever between academic excellence and football success ever at Ignatius. It was well established back then among Catholic parents on the westside that if they wanted their sons to attend college they sent them to Ignatius. While Ed's back then admitted anyone with a pulse who applied, Ignatius' entrance requirements were even more rigid than they are now, with only about a third of applicants being enrolled.
The gap in academic excellence between Ignatius and Ed's now is miniscule and the relative football success of the two schools had nothing to do with that. With an Ignatius grad manning the presidency of Ed's, I expect the academic achievement of Ed's to continue upward, irrrespective of the fortunes of the Eagles on the gridiron.
One of the few advantages of being really old is the ability to detect revisionist history like the crap posted above. Back in the stone age when Ed's was the new kid on the block and the football playoff system was an unrealized dream, the academic excellence of my class at Ignatius was evidenced by the 99+% of grads who went on to college, typical of all the Ignatius classes in the four years I attended. Ed's then was the westside Catholic "trade" school, where considerably less than 50% of each year's class went on to college. There was no correlation whatsoever between academic excellence and football success ever at Ignatius. It was well established back then among Catholic parents on the westside that if they wanted their sons to attend college they sent them to Ignatius. While Ed's back then admitted anyone with a pulse who applied, Ignatius' entrance requirements were even more rigid than they are now, with only about a third of applicants being enrolled.
The gap in academic excellence between Ignatius and Ed's now is miniscule and the relative football success of the two schools had nothing to do with that. With an Ignatius grad manning the presidency of Ed's, I expect the academic achievement of Ed's to continue upward, irrrespective of the fortunes of the Eagles on the gridiron.
Revisionist history cuts both ways. No qualms here about the purported "trade school" qualities of some St. Ed programs of the 50's, 60's and 70's. We at least recognize our shortcomings. That said, academic brilliance hasn't been exclusively housed on W. 30th since the dawn of creation.
Anyone who doesn't think Ignatius's academic stature wasn't raised with Kyle's success is in denial. Alumni have a funny way of suddenly feeling good about their school when championships are won. That invariably translates into money and renewed success.
As long as the "miniscule" academic excellence gap continues to move St. Ed's way, I'm good.
). The PR is better now, but I'd put the smartness of my mid 70's class up against any recent class.
Hybrid Mode
