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Maxxamillion 10-19-16 07:45 PM

Which state has the best HS football?
 
Which state has the best HS football?
Alabama
California
Florida
Georgia
Louisiana
New Jersey
Ohio
Pennsylvania
South Carolina
Texas

BigBulldog 11-03-16 04:40 PM

Texas,hands down.It's not even close.

Texas

Florida
California
Ohio
PA

sportsfan2911 11-05-16 06:49 AM

By sheer numbers of teams and players Texas would win that argument. But if you are looking at rankings there isn't a Texas team in the top ten! Allen and DeSoto are 13 and 14 respectively. I'd put Ohio's best against any other state.


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noonereal 11-21-16 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBulldog (Post 6609186)
Texas,hands down.It's not even close.


LOL

why? Because they have big crowds? lol

BigBulldog 11-21-16 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sportsfan2911 (Post 6611713)
By sheer numbers of teams and players Texas would win that argument. But if you are looking at rankings there isn't a Texas team in the top ten! Allen and DeSoto are 13 and 14 respectively. I'd put Ohio's best against any other state.


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There is a difference between best TEAMS and best players.Texas has the best PLAYERS year in and year out.

And this can be proved and is proved every year.If you can't figure this out I feel bad for you.

Texas has the best players by far!:)

BigBulldog 11-21-16 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by noonereal (Post 6631851)
LOL

why? Because they have big crowds? lol

Every year it is proved that PA has the best wrestling in the nation and Ohio is 2nd.

You can't go by who has the best COLLEGE teams,but what State has the best college wrestlers(What State they came from)

And how many wrestlers get a Div1 scholarship.

Well you can do the same thing with football PLAYERS bird brain.:D

Sykotyk 11-21-16 07:12 PM

I've seen 185 different Ohio teams play. 158 different PA teams play. And 73 different Texas teams play.

I've seen 208 games in Ohio, 210 games in PA, and 58 games in Texas. Most of the Texas games have been state championship games either at Cowboys/AT&T Stadium, NRG Stadium, or the Alamodome. Only 2 games at SMU in the playoffs, a playoff at Plainview, Texas and a regular season game in Memphis, Texas.

Compared to comparable championship teams in Ohio in the same year to championship teams in Texas... Texas wins more often than not. You may scoff at Allen because of their 800-member marching band, 50,000-attendance championship games, $62 million stadium, etc. But they also are really really good. Imagine if the entire city of Cincinnati had one high school and every player of any significance inside the district attended the public school. That's what Allen would be. A city that should have 8 or 10 high schools has only one. And it's by design. Frisco to the west has 8 high schools and is in line to open three more over the next few years. Meanwhile Allen sends almost 5,500 kids to the high school and freshman annex.

So, yes, they're going to be better most of the time than anyone Ohio can put up. Even big parochial from Cincinnati or Cleveland. Then you have Katy. In a district with 10 high schools and also building their third stadium, one to put Allen's to shame, is the juggernaut of their district. Just north of there is Cy-Fair ISD which has over 10 high schools as well. One, Cy Ranch making the state playoffs against Allen just a few years ago. Even lowly San Antonio Brennan, who was only in their third year of varsity football played and lost to Allen in a state title game.

And that's not even mentioned the original stalwart of Texas 'big time' football in Southlake Carroll who have been overshadowed by their much larger and more impressive DFW area monstrosity, Allen.

Jim Lahey 11-22-16 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BigBulldog (Post 6631892)
There is a difference between best TEAMS and best players.Texas has the best PLAYERS year in and year out.

And this can be proved and is proved every year.If you can't figure this out I feel bad for you.

Texas has the best players by far!:)

247.com composite ranking for 2017 (takes the average ranking from 247, Rivals, Scout, ESPN)

CA - 12, 1-4-12-13-14-15-32-53-75-91-94-99 Average of 41.9
FL - 20, 6-8-17-18-21-26-28-29-47-48-51-55-63-65-69-71-72-74-76-81 Average of 46.25
TX - 13 3-7-9-19-38-39-62-68-73-85-88-95-97 Average of 52.5

2016:
CA - 13, 11-16-17-22-25-34-46-47-65-69-70-75-81 Average of 44.46
FL - 15, 4-8-42-44-48-51-54-60-67-78-82-86-87-95-100 Average of 60.4
TX - 15, 3-6-33-36-37-40-50-52-55-56-59-74-90-94-97 Average of 52.13

2015:
CA - 17, 4-6-12-17-21-23-49-60-67-68-69-70-71-79-84-87-97 Average of 52
FL - 17, 2-3-5-7-8-11-15-18-19-39-64-75-81-83-93-94-99 Average of 42.11
TX - 14, 10-14-20-32-33-37-38-40-42-44-73-77-80-98 Average of 45.57

Well, so much for that. :dang:

BigBulldog 11-23-16 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Lahey (Post 6632527)
247.com composite ranking for 2017 (takes the average ranking from 247, Rivals, Scout, ESPN)

CA - 12, 1-4-12-13-14-15-32-53-75-91-94-99 Average of 41.9
FL - 20, 6-8-17-18-21-26-28-29-47-48-51-55-63-65-69-71-72-74-76-81 Average of 46.25
TX - 13 3-7-9-19-38-39-62-68-73-85-88-95-97 Average of 52.5

2016:
CA - 13, 11-16-17-22-25-34-46-47-65-69-70-75-81 Average of 44.46
FL - 15, 4-8-42-44-48-51-54-60-67-78-82-86-87-95-100 Average of 60.4
TX - 15, 3-6-33-36-37-40-50-52-55-56-59-74-90-94-97 Average of 52.13

2015:
CA - 17, 4-6-12-17-21-23-49-60-67-68-69-70-71-79-84-87-97 Average of 52
FL - 17, 2-3-5-7-8-11-15-18-19-39-64-75-81-83-93-94-99 Average of 42.11
TX - 14, 10-14-20-32-33-37-38-40-42-44-73-77-80-98 Average of 45.57

Well, so much for that. :dang:

In wrestling PA and Ohio are no.1 and no.2 every year for the last 10 years.

Lets take Ohio.....

How many kids are wrestling at Div1

How many kids are wrestling at BIG TIME Div1 schools

How many kids qualify for the NCAA tournament(PA and OH are way ahead of everybody)

How many kids are All-American(Top 8 in the nation)

How many kids are National Champs

PA and Ohio are No.1 and No.2 in every category.

You go by what State they wrestled in,in High School

In the 70's and 80's Ohio was no.1 in the Nation almost every year.

You can do the same thing in Div11 and PA and Ohio are no.1 and no.2

You go by what state they wrestled for in HIGH SCHOOL!

You can do the same thing in football.Texas is No.1 almost every year.:)

fish82 11-27-16 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BigBulldog (Post 6609186)
Texas,hands down.It's not even close.

Texas

Florida
California
Ohio
PA

Substitute GA for PA, and this list is accurate.

Jim Lahey 11-28-16 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BigBulldog (Post 6633698)
In wrestling PA and Ohio are no.1 and no.2 every year for the last 10 years.

Lets take Ohio.....

How many kids are wrestling at Div1

How many kids are wrestling at BIG TIME Div1 schools

How many kids qualify for the NCAA tournament(PA and OH are way ahead of everybody)

How many kids are All-American(Top 8 in the nation)

How many kids are National Champs

PA and Ohio are No.1 and No.2 in every category.

You go by what State they wrestled in,in High School

In the 70's and 80's Ohio was no.1 in the Nation almost every year.

You can do the same thing in Div11 and PA and Ohio are no.1 and no.2

You go by what state they wrestled for in HIGH SCHOOL!

You can do the same thing in football.Texas is No.1 almost every year.:)

Except they aren't. Sorry, you can keep saying it over and over but the stats, facts and numbers say they aren't. How about using something other than your opinion to back your claim?

sportsfan2911 11-30-16 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BigBulldog (Post 6631892)
There is a difference between best TEAMS and best players.Texas has the best PLAYERS year in and year out.

And this can be proved and is proved every year.If you can't figure this out I feel bad for you.

Texas has the best players by far!:)



Feel bad for me...what is that all about! I could care less how you feel about me. Your discussion about the topic is what matters. You raise some great points. I've seen Texas football, been to Allen High School and many of the teams you mentioned are very good programs. At the time I posted my comments I made my point based on the rankings at that time. Right now I'd put Ohio's best DI team year in and year out up against any big school team from any state played in a neutral location. At the end of the day it's all about the best 40-50 kids who will play most of the game. I believe Ohio's big school champion has 50 football players that will match up pretty well. I think that's true for most states.


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BigBulldog 08-21-17 01:54 PM

Texas tops the list of the best high school football states in the country
California and Florida are right behind Texas in the MaxPreps state rankings.

BigBulldog 08-21-17 01:59 PM

nation's best teams are the states of Texas, California and Florida. But which state, on the average, has the best teams?

Using the MaxPreps Freeman Rankings, Texas tops them all with a 55.8 average ranking. The average ranking is produced by taking the top 50 ranked teams in a state and averaging their computer rating. Texas comes out on top, but just barely. California is a close second with a 55.7 ranking. Florida is farther back at 50.2.

x8xohiolegendx7x 10-20-17 09:30 AM

I'd say most years florida. ohio,texas,california round it out.

BigBulldog 12-07-17 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by x8xohiolegendx7x (Post 6876778)
I'd say most years florida. ohio,texas,california round it out.

But it is proven Texas has the best high school football.

Read the above posts.

BigBulldog 12-07-17 09:48 AM

Here's how many blue-chip players have come from every state in the last five years, with each state's national percentage of elite talent included:

State '17 '16 '15 '14 '13 Total Total%
Texas 47 52 47 37 46 229 13.8%
Florida 42 47 50 42 46 226 13.6%
California 35 45 44 34 41 199 12.0%
Georgia 33 26 34 23 25 141 8.5%

Ohio was after Georgia.Lol

sehs 04-05-18 11:49 PM

This question is all about how you view football. For best players recruited to college or potential NFLers, Texas, Cali and Florida are the three best with Ohio, PA and Georgia in the next tier.

I look at football a little more holistically with how it fits into the overall scheme. Football is a tremendous community builder at its best and plenty of people grow up not going to big time college or the NFL and still have bonds from their days on the grid iron together. Within just the high schools, it can be a cause to rally around in a way that nothing else can. Now obviously you have to do it well too, in the question of OH, TX, PA, FL and CA, I would say Ohio is a strong pound for pound type of state with part of the equation, the other benefits of a strong football state I believe Ohio does better than anyone except maybe Texas.

Even there, I think Ohio has a firm grasp on the reality of high school football. The vast majority of communities are not sinking millions of dollars into stadiums that are nicer than some colleges, football has a place for schools but it is not the absolute most important place. I like that Ohio does not do Spring football, they emphasize other sports or other activities on a scholastic level. Vince Lombardi wrote that the values of the game are more important than the events that occasion them and I think Ohio takes this to heart.

thePITman 07-12-18 12:43 PM

1. Texas
2. California
3. Florida
4. Ohio
5. Georgia
6. Pennsylvania

Best football COACHING?

1. Ohio - and college coaches across the country will openly admit that

Auggie 07-17-18 05:18 PM

At this point for consistent on field product, state wide, it really breaks down like this:

FL
TX
CA

GA

OH
PA
LA

NJ

To me Georgia really is making strides on the overall HS experience, especially the quality of its players.


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