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Pavlovsdog 11-07-17 05:44 PM

Graham to compete in Div. 1 State Duals this year
 
Graham will be competing in Division 1 State Duals this season.
They will still be in D2 for individual State Tournament.

Should make for some interesting matchups...

Boro Fan 11-07-17 05:49 PM

So now we get to see Eds vs Graham twice....

SCORE2WIN 11-07-17 05:56 PM

Not sure how I feel about this.

said_aouita 11-07-17 06:14 PM

The OHSAA is really dumb. Why is a D2 school competing against D1's, in duals?

craftAmaniac 11-07-17 06:25 PM

I think Graham handles Eds this year and I do not think it will be that competitive this year. Next year may be a different story

darthmalice 11-07-17 06:26 PM

For the final 8 teams, this would be better if it was made a round robin team dual; teams would wrestle for 1st, 3rd, 5th, and 7th. Why travel so far for 1 match? Schools can get there money's worth.

ProV1 11-07-17 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by said_aouita (Post 6904597)
The OHSAA is really dumb. Why is a D2 school competing against D1's, in duals?

Because Graham has no competition in D2. I would bump up too if I were them.

bucksman 11-07-17 06:42 PM

In the dual team state tournament, the OHSAA is allowing teams the right to "opt up" to Division I. The do not allow this for any of the "normal" team sports, but since dual team wrestling has "emerging sport" status this non-normal rule is allowed.

We shall see if Graham chooses to opt up to DI for dual team. I think they should. I would project them to win, though their path will obviously be much more competitive. As presently constituted, the DII dual team state series is a total waste of time in terms of assessing a champion -- Graham is winning every dual, any match they don't win 11/12 or more weight classes is a small miracle.

There are two reasons for the present structure of the dual team state series:
(1) every other team (advancement) sport operates as single-elimination in the playoffs
(2) to hold the event in one day using the desired facility (St. John Arena) constrains the structure of the event

If Graham chooses to compete in DI, I am interested in where OHSAA assigns them. I hope it is to a region consisting of Central District teams, as that's where the "black hole" is right now in DI for the dual team tournament (it should be noted that Olentangy Liberty choosing not to compete in the dual team state series precludes the central district of a team that has been state level competitive the last couple of years). The southwest has LaSalle and Elder that are viably competitive at the state level for this coming year (Mason fit that description last year as well); the "north" has St. Edward, Brecksville, Elyria, Wadsworth, and Massillon Perry with four of those teams getting to go down state.

Backsidetilt 11-07-17 08:24 PM

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Rumor has it SPG will be going D1 for the State Duals! Would be some good matches!
Unfortunately, SPG can't move up until 2018-2019 season. Its too bad because they have a a sensational Senior class this year that will be very hard to replace for the 2018-2019 DI State Duals. Lasalle only has one Senior on their already stacked lineup. I could see Lasalle beating SPG handily next year and if they are in the same SW district, SPG may not even make it to Columbus for the finals.
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Divided42 11-07-17 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Boro Fan (Post 6904568)
So now we get to see Eds vs Graham twice....

Sign me up for some of that!

Boro Fan 11-08-17 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Divided42 (Post 6904906)
Sign me up for some of that!

Me too. I am guessing whoever wins the dual in January, will be the #1 seed.

galewrestling 11-08-17 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by bucksman (Post 6904624)
In the dual team state tournament, the OHSAA is allowing teams the right to "opt up" to Division I. The do not allow this for any of the "normal" team sports, but since dual team wrestling has "emerging sport" status this non-normal rule is allowed.

We shall see if Graham chooses to opt up to DI for dual team. I think they should. I would project them to win, though their path will obviously be much more competitive. As presently constituted, the DII dual team state series is a total waste of time in terms of assessing a champion -- Graham is winning every dual, any match they don't win 11/12 or more weight classes is a small miracle.

There are two reasons for the present structure of the dual team state series:
(1) every other team (advancement) sport operates as single-elimination in the playoffs
(2) to hold the event in one day using the desired facility (St. John Arena) constrains the structure of the event

If Graham chooses to compete in DI, I am interested in where OHSAA assigns them. I hope it is to a region consisting of Central District teams, as that's where the "black hole" is right now in DI for the dual team tournament (it should be noted that Olentangy Liberty choosing not to compete in the dual team state series precludes the central district of a team that has been state level competitive the last couple of years). The southwest has LaSalle and Elder that are viably competitive at the state level for this coming year (Mason fit that description last year as well); the "north" has St. Edward, Brecksville, Elyria, Wadsworth, and Massillon Perry with four of those teams getting to go down state.

The negative I see with this, is the Central is still trying to improve its state footprint as far as wrestling goes. And now you basically shift them to only getting one team out each year. I think this would only discourage teams from participating and maybe have a negative affect on the growth of the sport in Central Ohio.

wash.c.h.legend 11-08-17 07:25 AM

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eyes r burning 11-08-17 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by galewrestling (Post 6904968)
The negative I see with this, is the Central is still trying to improve its state footprint as far as wrestling goes. And now you basically shift them to only getting one team out each year. I think this would only discourage teams from participating and maybe have a negative affect on the growth of the sport in Central Ohio.

Doubt it. Free matches for everyone that gets involved. OLib is the only oddity.

ProV1 11-08-17 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by eyes r burning (Post 6904978)
Doubt it. Free matches for everyone that gets involved. OLib is the only oddity.

Plus, the upcoming changes to timing and format will enable those teams to participate.

bluepride1990 11-08-17 09:07 AM

So to clarify is this for this season (2017-18) or next?

I thought they could not move till next season (2018-19) when the region is a one day event?

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Dell 112 11-08-17 09:36 AM

How about some projections for St.Ed's and Graham lineups. And key match-ups.

qwertyrow 11-08-17 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by bluepride1990 (Post 6905068)
So to clarify is this for this season (2017-18) or next?

I thought they could not move till next season (2018-19) when the region is a one day event?

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My understanding this year. The application for the team duals had a spot where coaches could fill in if they wanted to go up a division

Lambeau Fields 11-08-17 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by eyes r burning (Post 6904978)
OLib is the only oddity.

In more ways than one...

td2fall 11-08-17 12:11 PM

dont like it.this is why we hav divisions...can D3 go up to D1?.... they want somehing like this just have the 3 champs wrestle each other.

Lambeau Fields 11-08-17 12:37 PM

St. Paris Graham and St. Ed's should have to compete in a separate Catholic school division and let the public schools compete against themselves.

craceman 11-08-17 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bluepride1990 (Post 6905068)
So to clarify is this for this season (2017-18) or next?

I thought they could not move till next season (2018-19) when the region is a one day event?

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It will be this year providing a few things have to happen!

mailman112 11-08-17 12:45 PM

If the rumors are true that this will be Jordan's last year why not do it? He knows he has the team to beat Ed's and next year he won't. Smart move on his part. I'm sure Brecksville, OLB (if they compete) and Elyria are thrilled to read about SPG going D1.

I've never been a fan of the state duals and that will continue regardless SPG competes in D1 or not.

The Big Dog 11-08-17 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Lambeau Fields (Post 6905282)
St. Paris Graham and St. Ed's should have to compete in a separate Catholic school division and let the public schools compete against themselves.

I hope this is suppose to be a joke. Everybody know St Paris Graham Local is a public school and not private catholic.

eyes r burning 11-08-17 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 6905299)
I hope this is suppose to be a joke. Everybody know St Paris Graham Local is a public school and not private catholic.

Why is the great St. Paris in the name if it isn't a catholic school?

SCORE2WIN 11-08-17 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by eyes r burning (Post 6905339)
Why is the great St. Paris in the name if it isn't a catholic school?

It's the name of the town.

MPhillips 11-08-17 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 6905299)
I hope this is suppose to be a joke. Everybody know St Paris Graham Local is a public school and not private catholic.

Hello....????? St. Paris?
We've heard this for years. Not buying it. :Ohno:

The Big Dog 11-08-17 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by eyes r burning (Post 6905339)
Why is the great St. Paris in the name if it isn't a catholic school?

Graham Local is a rural school district located in western Champaign County. The school's postal address is ST. Paris OH. OHSAA refers to all schools by the name of the post office site followed by the school district name. For example Casstown Miami East borders St. Paris Graham. Their postal town is Casstown and the school district is Miami East. I hope that clears up how St Paris Graham got their name and why it is not a private Catholic school.

MPhillips 11-08-17 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog (Post 6905383)
Graham Local is a rural school district located in western Champaign County. The school's postal address is ST. Paris OH. OHSAA refers to all schools by the name of the post office site followed by the school district name. For example Casstown Miami East borders St. Paris Graham. Their postal town is Casstown and the school district is Miami East. I hope that clears up how St Paris Graham got their name and why it is not a private Catholic school.

Neither are St. Edward or St. Xavier I'm sure... :rolleyes:

Cooter26 11-08-17 02:37 PM

so who wins D2 then???


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