Centerville 2010 State Champs

[Uncoordinated]

After tonight, is there anybody who thinks that this isn't inevitable?

[Uncoordinated]

Sorry, I meant 2010 States Champions. And seriously, they just dominated the district meet. When X doesn't have that depth to lean back on, I don't see how they're touchable. I don't like to brag, but looking back at the comments after last year... It appears I was right.

[OhioSWIM002]

Centerville never swims at the level of ST X at state, they never can hold their taper...which it appears that some of xaviers swimmers were not even close to taper like lipari and miller

[Tyler Durden]

Just to throw this out....X won districts. I'm not sure how you can say Centerville dominated. Sure, Litvinov went nuts, and Perkins won the 5 again, but he won last year and then he choked and Miller beat him at State. I would guess some of X's stars: Miller for sure, Lipari, maybe even Baumgartner were not tapered for this meet. Miller didn't even wear a fast suit from what I've heard.

Also, I would guess that St. X's relays will be completely different. I doubt Conway will swim fly on the medley (at least not at finals) and there will also probably be changes to the free relays as well.

In summary, I think what "what you see is what you get" applies to Centerville at districts, whereas I think St. X has much more room to improve.

[thedutchman]

Sorry, I meant 2010 States Champions. And seriously, they just dominated the district meet. When X doesn't have that depth to lean back on, I don't see how they're touchable. I don't like to brag, but looking back at the comments after last year... It appears I was right.

I wasn't at the meet and only the automatics are posted as yet, but how do you dominate the meet and still lose by 100 points?

[BigSwimFan]

Centerville swam like they were tapered.

St.X (top guys mainly) did not look tapered and in the past have always looked like this at Districts and then blow everybody away at State.

Miller was wearing his team suit, speedo, and Perkins was wearing a FS II.

The reason X won the meet (still have diving to go but won't matter) was Centerville may have won an event and had another top finisher, but X had 4 guys scoring in almost every event.

Overall times were very fast WITHOUT SUITS!! Unless the other districts really swim well we should see a lot of at large bids come from SW.

[ohiocuse]

anyone track down full results for ne and sw? solon won both boys and girls in the ne

[stxbomber999]

After tonight, is there anybody who thinks that this isn't inevitable?

where have you been all season. I've been so bored because everybody realized X already had state locked up, but now you're back and making hilarious posts again and i'm glad to see it. Anyway, no chance cville wins. X will beat them in the 2 and 4 free easily, the medley will be close but i still think X will win. Miller will win the 200 and the 500 and the rrest of Xs team will improve. X wins title number 31.

[Uncoordinated]

Okay, Nobody can deny that depth means a whole lot more at districts than state. With less depth at state, the Elks roll. Roll Elks Roll.

[Swimmerman5428]

seriously man? people do this every year on here saying x is gonna get beat. and trust me x is tapered for state and will throw down. centerville they looked tapered for districts with some of those swims, no way they can hold that for another week.

[Hurricane Ike]

I yield to you Mr. Uncoordinated. I remember saying St. Charles would easily handle Centerville at state and i just don't see that happening. C'Ville looks ready to roll.

[stxbomber999]

I yield to you Mr. Uncoordinated. I remember saying St. Charles would easily handle Centerville at state and i just don't see that happening. C'Ville looks ready to roll.

Oh you're back too! So do you still thnik SC will beat X?

[Hurricane Ike]

Oh you're back too! So do you still thnik SC will beat X?

It will be extremely difficult. Maybe they can mop up enough points from the 10th-6th range to steal second from the bombers

[stxbomber999]

Im just gonna post some facts for you, and i just want your opinion on them.

200 Free- Miller, Tontilo and Galvin vs Osterhage and Perkins

200 Im- Lipari, Drake, Baumgartner vs. Litvinov

50 free- Dennis, Bierman (maybe smith and morrison) vs. Clark (maybe gregory)

Fly- Wooley, Rapp and Haas vs Schieman and Roberts

100 free-Dennis vs (maybe clark and mitchell)

500 free- Miller, Tontilo, and Lawley vs. Perkins and Osterhage

100 back- Haas, Wooley, and Drake vs. Roberts and Mitchell

100 breast- Lipari, Brower, Baumgartner and Kimutus vs. Litvinov and Shieman

Relays are going to be close but X still looks to have 22 swims and 2 maybes while Cville has 12 and 3. 100 fly and breast are the only events Cville looks to have the advantage in, but that is only because they had guys swim very fast this weekend, they may end up doing worse next week. So do you really think cville can win?

Side note did SC really beat UA by .5 points at districts?

[OhioSWIM002]

so those st x sprinters scoring big points at state huh?
and not kimutis in breast
jay hickey in IM for centerville

[natiswimmin]

right now, cville is a favorite by about 25 points. But here are my reasons for X winning:

1) cville has a bad reputation for tapering at state. And i dont see any reason for me to think that might change this year.

2) Several of X's guys were not fully tapered at districts, unlike cville. Miller was unshaved and wore a team suit. Lipari was not shaved. Tontillo was not fully shaved. And Litvinov, Schieman, Perkins were all suited up and shaved down. So my guess is cville either gains a little time or they stay about the same, while several st x guys have room to improve.

3) Relays. cville loaded their relays with the best they have. This will almost certainly be their line up for state. but st X did not do the same. On the medley, dennis will probably swim fly instead of conway(he has been about a second faster all year). and Lipari can go faster than a 27.1 in breast. In the 2 free relay, bierman was out and both smith and morrison had poor times. and as i mentioned before, miller isnt tapered. I could see this relay being lipari(swam on it last year and went 21.7), smith, bierman, miller in canton. There is no way that relay isnt top 2. And in the 4 free relay, bierman was missing again and gorsuch's 48 high wont make the relay at finals.

So in summary, cville has the edge going into canton, but they played their cards a week too soon, and i dont think we have seen st X at full strength just yet

[Hurricane Ike]

Im just gonna post some facts for you, and i just want your opinion on them.

200 Free- Miller, Tontilo and Galvin vs Osterhage and Perkins

200 Im- Lipari, Drake, Baumgartner vs. Litvinov

50 free- Dennis, Bierman (maybe smith and morrison) vs. Clark (maybe gregory)

Fly- Wooley, Rapp and Haas vs Schieman and Roberts

100 free-Dennis vs (maybe clark and mitchell)

500 free- Miller, Tontilo, and Lawley vs. Perkins and Osterhage

100 back- Haas, Wooley, and Drake vs. Roberts and Mitchell

100 breast- Lipari, Brower, Baumgartner and Kimutus vs. Litvinov and Shieman

Relays are going to be close but X still looks to have 22 swims and 2 maybes while Cville has 12 and 3. 100 fly and breast are the only events Cville looks to have the advantage in, but that is only because they had guys swim very fast this weekend, they may end up doing worse next week. So do you really think cville can win?

Side note did SC really beat UA by .5 points at districts?

Even though X has more swims, a third of them are in the 17-24th range netting 0 points. Kimutis didn't qualify. Baumgartner is 24th. Bierman made it but barely. Smith and Morrison didn't make it.

In a dual meet setting, X seems to be the better team. But the state meet is not a dual meet. Its not just Lipari vs Litvinov or Miller vs. Perkins. Zimmerman swims too as does a host of 200 freestylers from Toledo St. Francis. Big 8 was extremely close and the state meet broadens the pool of capable competitors.

My opinion: In a dual meet format, 3 swimmers vs. 2 will win, but that is irrelevant at this point.

[stxbomber999]

Even though X has more swims, a third of them are in the 17-24th range netting 0 points. Kimutis didn't qualify. Baumgartner is 24th. Bierman made it but barely. Smith and Morrison didn't make it.

In a dual meet setting, X seems to be the better team. But the state meet is not a dual meet. Its not just Lipari vs Litvinov or Miller vs. Perkins. Zimmerman swims too as does a host of 200 freestylers from Toledo St. Francis. Big 8 was extremely close and the state meet broadens the pool of capable competitors.

My opinion: In a dual meet format, 3 swimmers vs. 2 will win, but that is irrelevant at this point.

Thats actually a good thing, it means more room to improve. Yeah Kimutus didn't qualify but Montague did, so it evens out. I think its going to a very interesting meet, but i still think X will win, guys like Miller and Lipari are going to have significant improvements so it will be fun to watch.

[ff2332]

sorry i see x winning this one. does anyone think x can pull off some of those free relay times like last year(1:23 & 3:05) they seem to be just a bit slower in the relays this year. Maybe 1:24 & 3:06 or so...

[Paine]

Thats actually a good thing, it means more room to improve. Yeah Kimutus didn't qualify but Montague did, so it evens out. I think its going to a very interesting meet, but i still think X will win, guys like Miller and Lipari are going to have significant improvements so it will be fun to watch.

Room to improve? It means they have to improve to survive after being tapered. It will be interesting though.

[OhioSWIM002]

Dear God!!!

Please stop treating Alex Miller and Sam Lipari like they are gods gift to earth

The only threads on this are about how good they are and whenever they dont swim as well as you want them too you make excuses and you make excuses for Centerville,UA, St Francis and St Charles swimming fast...please

[heyyouthere]

OK I might have made mistakes but here's the scores I calculated based on qualifying times (without diving):
STF: 227
CVILLE: 222
STX: 194
UA: 183
SC: 170

(I only figured out these teams, so feel free to add another team if they're in the top teams and I didn't realize...)

That's pretty surprising, I think St. Francis is going to be a bigger factor than people are considering...

[Tyler Durden]

Thats actually a good thing, it means more room to improve. Yeah Kimutus didn't qualify but Montague did, so it evens out. I think its going to a very interesting meet, but i still think X will win, guys like Miller and Lipari are going to have significant improvements so it will be fun to watch.

Montague sneaking in certainly helps X, although he's not seeded highly I'll expect he'll score. Same goes with Baumgartner. And this is yet another choke by Kimutus, someone said he was the only sectional swimmer from X to not qualify for districts two years ago and he didn't score at state last year. Apparentley he was banged up from a Mixed Martial Arts fight a few days earlier? Thats the problem with being a dual athlete.

[Hurricane Ike]

Dear God!!!

Please stop treating Alex Miller and Sam Lipari like they are gods gift to earth

The only threads on this are about how good they are and whenever they dont swim as well as you want them too you make excuses and you make excuses for Centerville,UA, St Francis and St Charles swimming fast...please

Who is treating them like god's gift to earth? They are the only two x swimmers I really expect to significantly move up because I think they are the least tapered.

I don't expect many swimmers at all to see any real changes at state from their district times, but those two, among others, I think will be part of a select few.

[ff2332]

Who is treating them like god's gift to earth? They are the only two x swimmers I really expect to significantly move up because I think they are the least tapered.

I don't expect many swimmers at all to see any real changes at state from their district times, but those two, among others, I think will be part of a select few.

what select few do you have in mind?

[streaker182]

Dear God!!!

Please stop treating Alex Miller and Sam Lipari like they are gods gift to earth

The only threads on this are about how good they are and whenever they dont swim as well as you want them too you make excuses and you make excuses for Centerville,UA, St Francis and St Charles swimming fast...please

uh, god did give us alex and sam as a gift?

[Hurricane Ike]

what select few do you have in mind?

I was thinking of the real talented swimmers who didn't have to worry about tapering for a tight district meet (i.e. the Central). Schwab and Zimmerman came to mind though I guess Zimmerman could be tapped out. I think Vigar has still got some left in the tank if he can just swim out of prelims. And I think Trebilcock can drop some more.

[Sevens]

Zimmerman is tapered for the state meet. He is not "tapped out". Remember he went 50.19 at YMCA Nationals last year as a 16 year old. 16 to 17 is big growth year and I can tell you he has grown. His times at Districts were impressive, but he didn't swim all that well. His turns were not as good as you will see them this weekend and his IM splits after the fly were not what he is capable of going. He will go under 50.0 this weekend in the back and under 49.0 is not out of the question. That may not win, but it will take under a 50.0 to win because he will definately go under. Watch out for 1:49 IM. He won't go out faster than 23.9 in the fly like he did this weekend, but he is definately capable of 26 back, 32 breast, 26 or faster free. That puts him in the 1:49.5 range. He might not get there, but he's capable. For some reason he always seems to get doubted on here. Last years Classic he "was tapered", this year's Classic he "was rested". Maybe it's because he unknown to USS people because he has come up swimming primarily YMCA meets and then last year he was D2, I don't know, but he is only beginning to tap his potential.

[ff2332]

Zimmerman is tapered for the state meet. He is not "tapped out". Remember he went 50.19 at YMCA Nationals last year as a 16 year old. 16 to 17 is big growth year and I can tell you he has grown. His times at Districts were impressive, but he didn't swim all that well. His turns were not as good as you will see them this weekend and his IM splits after the fly were not what he is capable of going. He will go under 50.0 this weekend in the back and under 49.0 is not out of the question. That may not win, but it will take under a 50.0 to win because he will definately go under. Watch out for 1:49 IM. He won't go out faster than 23.9 in the fly like he did this weekend, but he is definately capable of 26 back, 32 breast, 26 or faster free. That puts him in the 1:49.5 range. He might not get there, but he's capable. For some reason he always seems to get doubted on here. Last years Classic he "was tapered", this year's Classic he "was rested". Maybe it's because he unknown to USS people because he has come up swimming primarily YMCA meets and then last year he was D2, I don't know, but he is only beginning to tap his potential.

Either you are a family member, coach, or himself lol. I think you are somewhat right in what you are saying about what his backstroke might be. But under 49 is quite a goal, I think he will probably be around a 49 mid maybe low. But, judging by his IM last year dropping 4 seconds by this year has been a great accomplishment, dropping another 3 would be really hard. Also, looking at how his times dropped in D2 last year from districts to state was very small. I think personally he will remain about same in the IM and drop a shade in the back

[Sevens]

ff2332- I'm none of the above, not that it really matters. You may be right, however, just keep in mind last year's state meet was his first state championship meet and he was a sophomore. Lesson's learned.

[Uncoordinated]

What does everyone think of x getting 4th in the projections? I'm pretty sure thats just more proof that I'm right and all you all are wrong. I'm really liking Centerville's odds.

[xChinax]

ONCE UPON A TIME, IN THE LEDGENDARY LAND OF OXFORD, OHIO, A VICIOUS BATTLE TOOK PLACE. ALEXANDER “THE GREAT” MILLER OF THE ST. XAVIER BOMBERS BRAWLS WITH THE DECORATED TY “MOFO” PERKINS. THE MUCH ANTICIPATED CLASH BEGAN AT THE HISTORIC CORWIN M. NIXON AQUATIC CENTER. THOUGH ALEXANDER “THE GREAT” MILLER WAS AT AN ELFIN DISADVANTAGE OF NOT SHAVING OR WEARING A TECHNICAL SUIT, HE BEGAN TO WEAKEN THE DETERMINED TY “THE MOFO” PERKINS. BUT WAIT, WHILE TY “MOFO” PERKINS WAS COUGHING AND GAGGING AT THE FACE OF DEFEAT, THE GREAT VALIANT Russian? SPARTAN, MAXIM “300” LITVINOV CAME WITH HIS ASTONISHING BLACK CAPE AND LUMINOUS WHITE HAIR AND PULLED TY “MOFO” PERKINS OUT OF HIS STRUGGLE TO SLAY ALEXANDER “THE GREAT” MILLER. AND THEY CELEBRATED LIKE DRUNKEN NEW ORLEANS CITIZENS ON SUPER BOWL SUNDAY. HOWEVER, LITTLE DID MAXIM “300” LITVINOV’S FELLOW SPARTANS AKA THE ELK(s?) KNOW, MAXIME WOULD ALSO BE DESTINED TO CONQUER JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF! AND, WITH TEARS OF JOY RUNNING DOWN HIS MARVELOUS CAPE, HE CELEBRATED AS MICHAEL PHELPS AND HIS FELLOW AMERICANS REJOICED WHEN THE GREAT FRENCHMEN WERE VANQUISHED. THE SPARTANS AKA THE ELK(s?) NOW PROCEED TO THE NEW LANDS OF CANTON, OHIO, TO WIN GREATER BATTLES. AND THEY WILL BE VICTORIOUS. THE END.

[ff2332]

ONCE UPON A TIME, IN THE LEDGENDARY LAND OF OXFORD, OHIO, A VICIOUS BATTLE TOOK PLACE. ALEXANDER “THE GREAT” MILLER OF THE ST. XAVIER BOMBERS BRAWLS WITH THE DECORATED TY “MOFO” PERKINS. THE MUCH ANTICIPATED CLASH BEGAN AT THE HISTORIC CORWIN M. NIXON AQUATIC CENTER. THOUGH ALEXANDER “THE GREAT” MILLER WAS AT AN ELFIN DISADVANTAGE OF NOT SHAVING OR WEARING A TECHNICAL SUIT, HE BEGAN TO WEAKEN THE DETERMINED TY “THE MOFO” PERKINS. BUT WAIT, WHILE TY “MOFO” PERKINS WAS COUGHING AND GAGGING AT THE FACE OF DEFEAT, THE GREAT VALIANT Russian? SPARTAN, MAXIM “300” LITVINOV CAME WITH HIS ASTONISHING BLACK CAPE AND LUMINOUS WHITE HAIR AND PULLED TY “MOFO” PERKINS OUT OF HIS STRUGGLE TO SLAY ALEXANDER “THE GREAT” MILLER. AND THEY CELEBRATED LIKE DRUNKEN NEW ORLEANS CITIZENS ON SUPER BOWL SUNDAY. HOWEVER, LITTLE DID MAXIM “300” LITVINOV’S FELLOW SPARTANS AKA THE ELK(s?) KNOW, MAXIME WOULD ALSO BE DESTINED TO CONQUER JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF! AND, WITH TEARS OF JOY RUNNING DOWN HIS MARVELOUS CAPE, HE CELEBRATED AS MICHAEL PHELPS AND HIS FELLOW AMERICANS REJOICED WHEN THE GREAT FRENCHMEN WERE VANQUISHED. THE SPARTANS AKA THE ELK(s?) NOW PROCEED TO THE NEW LANDS OF CANTON, OHIO, TO WIN GREATER BATTLES. AND THEY WILL BE VICTORIOUS. THE END.

that had to be the dumbest, but most hilarious story ever!

[superman61]

I'm sorry but you all pound your chests and claim victory practically every year and it doesn't happen. Please just prove it in the pool. I would actually love to see it happen. But wishing it so does not make it so and you appear rather foolish. Been there, done that, wore the t-shirt out and threw it away.

[ImPartial]

I think Vigar has still got some left in the tank if he can just swim out of prelims.


Just think, Vigar could be the only person ever to be the consol winner three years in a row!

[stxbomber999]

What does everyone think of x getting 4th in the projections? I'm pretty sure thats just more proof that I'm right and all you all are wrong. I'm really liking Centerville's odds.

its not like Cville is seeded to win right now either.

[talawanda1009]

Who is this Montague in the 200 IM? I thought he swam the 200 and 500. From what I've heard and seen Dennis has been better than him all season. Does anyone know what had happened to Dennis because he mysteriously disappeared after the Christmas Invite?

[streaker182]

Who is this Montague in the 200 IM? I thought he swam the 200 and 500. From what I've heard and seen Dennis has been better than him all season. Does anyone know what had happened to Dennis because he mysteriously disappeared after the Christmas Invite?

Sophomore Dennis was in a car wreck and swam in the Fred Cooper Invitation.

[xbomberd08]

What does everyone think of x getting 4th in the projections? I'm pretty sure thats just more proof that I'm right and all you all are wrong. I'm really liking Centerville's odds.

In 2009 X is seeded to be 40 points behind first place finisher Toledo St. Francis. In 2005 X was seeded over 80 points behind Upper Arlington, and if you don't remember X won. Projections don't mean anything and 2005 is proof of that.

[Makes Girls Go Bad]

Magikarp used Splash and nothing happened.

[talawanda1009]

Magikarp used Splash and nothing happened.

Please dont ever say anything again. This was quite possibly the dumbest thing i have ever seen on an actual forum

[swimfan]

What does everyone think of x getting 4th in the projections? I'm pretty sure thats just more proof that I'm right and all you all are wrong. I'm really liking Centerville's odds.

This could be a very competitive meet if teams can hold their district times. But traditionally that does not happen. In recent years only X and SC have held their times or swam faster. That's why they have been 1 & 2 for the last 4 years...and why X has been 1 for the last 30 or 40 years.

When looking at the possibilities it really comes down to opportunities to score points. The 5 top teams all have 3 relays each of which should top heat. On the individual side X has 22 individual swims. That's 22 opportunities to score points. StF is next with 15. Cville & UA have 13 and SC has 12.

History tells us that X will swim faster this week. Historically, StF, UA & Cville have not. So the odds are that X will win. Any of the other 4 could finish 2nd. But if everyone drops time then its a crapshoot.

[ff2332]

This could be a very competitive meet if teams can hold their district times. But traditionally that does not happen. In recent years only X and SC have held their times or swam faster. That's why they have been 1 & 2 for the last 4 years...and why X has been 1 for the last 30 or 40 years.

When looking at the possibilities it really comes down to opportunities to score points. The 5 top teams all have 3 relays each of which should top heat. On the individual side X has 22 individual swims. That's 22 opportunities to score points. StF is next with 15. Cville & UA have 13 and SC has 12.

History tells us that X will swim faster this week. Historically, StF, UA & Cville have not. So the odds are that X will win. Any of the other 4 could finish 2nd. But if everyone drops time then its a crapshoot.

I am always surprised why year in and out a teams like the StF, UA, and Cville wouldnt rest their top swimmers for state rather than districts. Do they understand its a one meet season?

[ImPartial]

I am always surprised why year in and out a teams like the StF, UA, and Cville wouldnt rest their top swimmers for state rather than districts. Do they understand its a one meet season?

You have to consider the inherent risk of resting for state rather than district. Last year, Aaron Buchanan rested for state and because of that, was able to finish second in the 500 at state. Unfortunately, he also failed to qualify for state in the 200 free, placing 25th overall at districts.

[preeder61]

I am always surprised why year in and out a teams like the StF, UA, and Cville wouldnt rest their top swimmers for state rather than districts. Do they understand its a one meet season?

There has been a lot of discussion about the quality of District Championship pools vs. Canton. With the Central District at, arguably, one of the fastest pools in the country, Ohio State, there were a lot of top swimmers going for their season best, or Sectional or Junior National cuts at the District meet. Some feel that the State Championship in Canton's pool is a meet to race, not a meet to achieve your best time. Just another reason some tapered and shaved for Districts.

[BigSwimFan]

Going along with what preeder said; I think that the club coaches would rather have their kids swim fast at a better pool (Ohio State, Miami) and have their kids tapered for Districts than taper them for State where the potential to go as fast isn't there.

I don't think club coaches really care if a team one of their swimmers swim on wins state or not.

[thedutchman]

I am always surprised why year in and out a teams like the StF, UA, and Cville wouldnt rest their top swimmers for state rather than districts. Do they understand its a one meet season?

Ohio is somewhat unique in that there are qualifying meets (district & sectional) to get to the state meet. After all OHSAA refers to it as the State Swimming & Diving Tournament. Most state high school championship meets have time cuts that once acheived qualify the swimmer for the final meet. Because of Ohio's system many swimmers must walk a tightrope to qualify. If they don't fully taper for the district meet and don't win an automatic qualification, they risk not moving on because their time is not fast enough for one of the 11 at large spots. The safe thing to do is taper, qualify and try to hold on to the peak perfomance for the state meet. The better coaches know when to take the risk (not fully taper) and when not to. Jim Brower is certainly one of the best at this. Watching UA last year, it appeared that their then new coach did not fully appreciate the 3 week nature of the tournament and had them way too rested for the sectional meet. (He seems to have improved on that this year.) Anyway, if the qualifying mechanism for the state meet changed it would be a faster meet. But I'm not certain it would be as exciting.

[thedutchman]

Going along with what preeder said; I think that the club coaches would rather have their kids swim fast at a better pool (Ohio State, Miami) and have their kids tapered for Districts than taper them for State where the potential to go as fast isn't there.

I don't think club coaches really care if a team one of their swimmers swim on wins state or not.

I agree and looking every year at the club times after the high school season ends seems to support that.

[TheJuggernaut]

While everybody is watching StX, StF and CVille, nobody seems to notice the most startling competition. I've recently been watching the Kings swim team (about 3-4 years or so) and they have swam phenominally. With my unwavering predictions, all three of Kings's relays should place top 3. I wouldn't be surprised if their seemingly african-american freestyler snagged the state title in both the two-hundred and five-hundred freestyle this year. I wasn't at the meet personally, but while viewing the competition on waycross.tv, i couldn't help but notice that he wore no cap and no technical suit. With this in mind, along with rumors that he didn't warm-up for any races nor warm down, it can be spectacularly assumed that he is resting for state. He didn't even shave his head.
Honestly, KMK has a stunning chance at taking the competition as a whole and beating out StX and CVille. This is a brilliant theatrical movie in the making.
I am in no way associated with Kings Mills Kings or the weird looking kids they endorse.

[TheJuggernaut]

ff2332-Either you are a family member, coach, or himself lol. I think you are somewhat right in what you are saying about what his backstroke might be. But under 49 is quite a goal, I think he will probably be around a 49 mid maybe low. But, judging by his IM last year dropping 4 seconds by this year has been a great accomplishment, dropping another 3 would be really hard. Also, looking at how his times dropped in D2 last year from districts to state was very small. I think personally he will remain about same in the IM and drop a shade in the back

This is Steven Zimmerman....1. How do you know all this?
2. Im tapering for state and wasnt shaved for districts or classic.

Thanks for being on my side SEVENS

[ff2332]

Ohio is somewhat unique in that there are qualifying meets (district & sectional) to get to the state meet. After all OHSAA refers to it as the State Swimming & Diving Tournament. Most state high school championship meets have time cuts that once acheived qualify the swimmer for the final meet. Because of Ohio's system many swimmers must walk a tightrope to qualify. If they don't fully taper for the district meet and don't win an automatic qualification, they risk not moving on because their time is not fast enough for one of the 11 at large spots. The safe thing to do is taper, qualify and try to hold on to the peak perfomance for the state meet. The better coaches know when to take the risk (not fully taper) and when not to. Jim Brower is certainly one of the best at this. Watching UA last year, it appeared that their then new coach did not fully appreciate the 3 week nature of the tournament and had them way too rested for the sectional meet. (He seems to have improved on that this year.) Anyway, if the qualifying mechanism for the state meet changed it would be a faster meet. But I'm not certain it would be as exciting.

i understood that before... but what i mean is swimmers like miller and lipari obviously do not look like they are tapered yet. but, people have said teams such as cville ua and stf have had trouble dropping time. what i am asking is why dont those schools taper their TOP guys for state not districts?

[ff2332]

This is Steven Zimmerman....1. How do you know all this?
2. Im tapering for state and wasnt shaved for districts or classic.

Thanks for being on my side SEVENS

1.) i dont im just guessing off of the times you have posted in the previous competitions you have participated in.
2.) Thats the smartest thing you probably you could do.
3.) Good-luck in all your races!

[Makes Girls Go Bad]

Please dont ever say anything again. This was quite possibly the dumbest thing i have ever seen on an actual forum

Have something against Magikarp? He swims too... This entire thread is a joke.

[crownfish3]

Going along with what preeder said; I think that the club coaches would rather have their kids swim fast at a better pool (Ohio State, Miami) and have their kids tapered for Districts than taper them for State where the potential to go as fast isn't there.

I don't think club coaches really care if a team one of their swimmers swim on wins state or not.

Club coaches do care if their swimmer swims their best at shave and taper meets. Winning is great too, but not everyone can win. Most club coaches I know care a lot about their swimmers their performance in High School meets and in Ohio to a High School swimmer, the most important meet arguably is the OHSAA State Meet. There is no other meet with this kind of atmosphere outside of NCAA's or the Olympics. Any coach that did not care about this, trying to win, hoping to do their best etc in this environment would not have the best interest of their swimmers in mind in my opinion, if indeed the swimmers were emotionally up for this particular meet.

[BigSwimFan]

Diving results are in.

St. X - 9th place
St. Francis - 11th place
Centerville - 14th place

Team currently in the lead with a 1st, 5th and 10th place finish in Diving - Solon.


On another note: I do agree that the atmoshpere at the State meet is great crownfish; however the pool isn't what you would consider one of the fastest pools in Ohio. If I were a club coach I would want my kids to do well at the State meet, but I would want them to swim their fastest at a faster pool. You can deal with the emotions of not swimming fast at State if you have a successful district meet.

[Fly4Fun]

Considering the Ohio High School State meet is pretty much the meet of the year for most people... that's when the majority of club coaches want their swimmers to swim the best. I never even considered the idea that coaches would purposefully not put their swimmers in the best position to swim their fastest at that meet. Yes, they might swim faster at Districts and then just kind of hover or gain a little time at Canton, but that is because the difficulty of getting kids to swim at that level two weekends in a row. Some coaches know how to do it, some can't get the work out of their kids that is necessary to be able to do it, some can't do it for whatever reason.

I would be surprised if coaches were not putting their swimmers in the best position to swim fast at the state meet... assuming they didn't have to go their fastest just to qualify.

As a former swimmer, I know I'd rather do better overall at the State meet then get a faster time at a USA Swimming sectional meet that might be in a faster pool.

[xbomberd08]

Where is Uncoordinated? I need him to explain Centerville's 9th seed in the 200 free relay...and how that seed is going to win them State.

[ImPartial]

Where is Uncoordinated? I need him to explain Centerville's 9th seed in the 200 free relay...and how that seed is going to win them State.

I think their logic was something like this:

Their 2009 relay were all underclassmen, and everyone in front of them graduated some of their seniors. So they didn't even have to swim prelims because they assumed they would finish first.

I did a quick tally of qualifiers to finals and it looks like StX and StF should have over 210 points. StC and UA are somewhere below 200. Centerville has positioned themselves well for a battle for fifth place. And once again, Vigar swam himself into consolations...4:33 at state as a sophomore to 4:45 as a senior?

[thedutchman]

Here's where they are after prelims:

StX 212.5; StF 211; SC 179.5; UA 178; Cville 157.5

Should be quite a meet tomorrow.

[xbomberd08]

And once again, Vigar swam himself into consolations...4:33 at state as a sophomore to 4:45 as a senior?

At this point, that is just funny. He's now swum in the console heat 3 years straight...and if he wins the heat tomorrow he may have set a new record, but not for a good reason.

[ImPartial]

Look at what happened to finalists in the 500 from last season (comparing prelim swims from 2009 to 2010):

_2009__2010__
4:31.78 4:34.52 Miller
4:34.24 4:36.27 Perkins
4:34.27 4:37.28 Kelch
4:40.87 4:46.33 Lawley
4:42.73 4:45.22 Vigar
4:43.11 4:42.69 Biedenharn
4:45.26 4:48.71 Thompson

Most were about three seconds slower this season, except for Biedenharn, the only one to go faster in prelims this season.

[Uncoordinated]

Where is Uncoordinated? I need him to explain Centerville's 9th seed in the 200 free relay...and how that seed is going to win them State.

I admit, I might have gotten a little caught up in the excitement of a good Centerville team and gotten ahead of myself. You can't get mad at a man for having faith in a team.

[Uncoordinated]

At this point, that is just funny. He's now swum in the console heat 3 years straight...and if he wins the heat tomorrow he may have set a new record, but not for a good reason.

Funny? I'm sure he doesn't think its funny nor does he like people laughing about it. Have some class people, this is yappi after all, not some kind of potty mouth convention. Lets do everybody a favor and think about people's feelings.

[ImPartial]

Vigar won both consolation final events in the 200 and 500 free. I think that makes five total. I don't think that is such a bad thing. In your last swim as a senior, would you rather drop time from prelim to final and win your heat, or add time, and finish last in your heat, even if that is a championship final?

[Fly4Fun]

I know I'd rather be in the championship final.

But I agree with others that people shouldn't be openly mocking a high school swimmer for his performance.

[xbomberd08]

I admit, I might have gotten a little caught up in the excitement of a good Centerville team and gotten ahead of myself. You can't get mad at a man for having faith in a team.

At least you can come back on Yappi and admit it. There's nothing wrong with being proud of your team, just as long as you don't run away if your team doesn't perform as you'd like (that happens way too often on the football forum for example).

That said, I was very impressed with Centerville this year and their team should be proud of what they accomplished this year.

[heyyouthere]

Is anyone else kind of amazed at how ridiculously out of no where St. Francis came? I mean they had one returning individual state qualifier from last year and they graduated two of their 2009 top relay guys...and still moved from 6th to 2nd, giving X a legit run for their money.

ah i was really hoping they could pull it off...oh well, but look out next year because they have no seniors on their state team, should be a fun season!

[Hurricane Ike]

StF did have around 6 or 7 swimmers competing at Junior Nationals this past December so they didn't come out of nowhere, but I did not anticipate them placing as high as they did at the state meet.

Though not a partisan supporter of CVille, I was shocked at the total implosion of Centerville. At the beginning of the season, many thought they were the best chance at knocking off X. Then they couldn't get top 3 at state after being projected to win following the district meet. xbomberd08, you give a nice gesture to Centerville, but I wouldn't be too proud looking back at this season. After accomplishing a fair bit this season, it was an even more massive choke than last year. StF and X, and even UA and St. Charles to a certain extent held close to their fast district times. Yet, Centerville fell off the map, with the 200 free relay a prime example. Schieman didn't even get top 8 in fly after winning districts. At this point, I can only blame the coaches.

However, I realize I should have kept to my guns at the end of last season. Uncoordinated, I claim victory. St. Charles beat Centerville at state.

[heyyouthere]

StF did have around 6 or 7 swimmers competing at Junior Nationals this past December so they didn't come out of nowhere, but I did not anticipate them placing as high as they did at the state meet.

Maybe 'out of nowhere' is the wrong phrase to use, but it just seems like, even after they were projected to win after districts, no one, on here at least, even saw them as a threat.

Plus, if you read a bit of this thread: http://yappi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=185733 I don't even think they came up when people were predicting the top teams of this year.

[Hurricane Ike]

right you are

[swimfan]

Wow, what a week end. Although X won, it sure wasn't as easy as many of us had believed. StF was terrific. So, by the way, was UA who maximized their opportunities. Cville followed their recent pattern and underperformed from their district expectations. The loss of Schuttinger finally showed for SC. (Imagine the meet between StF, X, and SC if Schuttinger was still swimming for SC.) Anyway, it was a wonderful season. Looks like SC & Cville will lose alot. As things stand now, look for X to be battling StF next year...it doesn't look like StF will lose anyone. In D2 Wyoming made it closer than expected, but since everyone's back for University next year their streak should continue.

On the girls' side, UA prevailed again...but can they keep it up? They lose important seniors so next year their run may end. Don't see anyone challenging Hawkin although Hartley had a nice meet and returns many of their big guns.

[swimmerman2010]

On the girls' side, UA prevailed again...but can they keep it up? They lose important seniors so next year their run may end. Don't see anyone challenging Hawkin although Hartley had a nice meet and returns many of their big guns.

This thread is under boys swimming and diving so lets keep the girls out of this forum. Also congrats to st. x for winning state yet again.

[crownfish3]

StF did have around 6 or 7 swimmers competing at Junior Nationals this past December so they didn't come out of nowhere, but I did not anticipate them placing as high as they did at the state meet.

Though not a partisan supporter of CVille, I was shocked at the total implosion of Centerville. At the beginning of the season, many thought they were the best chance at knocking off X. Then they couldn't get top 3 at state after being projected to win following the district meet. xbomberd08, you give a nice gesture to Centerville, but I wouldn't be too proud looking back at this season. After accomplishing a fair bit this season, it was an even more massive choke than last year. StF and X, and even UA and St. Charles to a certain extent held close to their fast district times. Yet, Centerville fell off the map, with the 200 free relay a prime example. Schieman didn't even get top 8 in fly after winning districts. At this point, I can only blame the coaches.

However, I realize I should have kept to my guns at the end of last season. Uncoordinated, I claim victory. St. Charles beat Centerville at state.

I think you guys need to lay off them. These kids did their best, apparently several of their swimmers got food poisoning on Thursday evening from a local restaurant. Considering the illness they did the best they could. This happens to somebody every season, this year it hit the elks. It is just part of the tournament "wim it on that day" format. Nobody is to blame

[Makes Girls Go Bad]

I think you guys need to lay off them. These kids did their best, apparently several of their swimmers got food poisoning on Thursday evening from a local restaurant. Considering the illness they did the best they could. This happens to somebody every season, this year it hit the elks. It is just part of the tournament "wim it on that day" format. Nobody is to blame

Is it true the wonder boy Ty Perkins dislocated his shoulder? Or was he simply tapered for districts?

[swimmerman2010]

I think the centerville team was tapered for districts and just couldn't carry their taper to state.

[BigSwimFan]

So now food poisoning is what caused the Centerville boys to swim poorly. It had nothing to do with their fast swims at Districts. Those times at Districts were just from a week of taper and if they didn't get sick as you claim then they would have gone even faster. The boys didn't look like they were sick only sick from how they were swimming. I was very impressed with how Centerville swam at Districts, but nobody honestly thought they were going to go faster at State. I still don't understand why some of those boys would have tapered for the District meet.

[swimmerman2010]

its called bad coaching, the coaches tapered them too early and now they see the end results.

[Hurricane Ike]

I think you guys need to lay off them. These kids did their best, apparently several of their swimmers got food poisoning on Thursday evening from a local restaurant. Considering the illness they did the best they could. This happens to somebody every season, this year it hit the elks. It is just part of the tournament "wim it on that day" format. Nobody is to blame

I'm prettys sure Centerville did not do their best, judging by the significant time adds at state. If the Centerville swimmers are conditioned to swim their best only in consideration of their physical well-being, thats bad coaching as well. As my boy Yoda says, "do or do not, there is no try." If the team projected to win state by 40 points at the start of the state meet ultimately finished fifth, there is more to blame than food poisoning.

[BigSwimFan]

Has anybody taken the time to score the meet if the meet was swam as 1 division? There is a spot on swimmmeet.com but looks like they haven't done it yet. I'm too lazy to go through and score out the meet. Just curious.

[xbomberd08]

Has anybody taken the time to score the meet if the meet was swam as 1 division? There is a spot on swimmmeet.com but looks like they haven't done it yet. I'm too lazy to go through and score out the meet. Just curious.

I wonder why they never put that up. They seemed on top of all the other scores. They even put projected scores at finals after prelims had been swum.

[thedutchman]

Has anybody taken the time to score the meet if the meet was swam as 1 division? There is a spot on swimmmeet.com but looks like they haven't done it yet. I'm too lazy to go through and score out the meet. Just curious.

1 University 190
2 St Xavier 184
3 St Francis 173
4 St Charles 135
5 Upper Arlington 131
6 Wyoming 113
7 Centerville 104

[Makes Girls Go Bad]

Upon tilting your head to the left with a pair of sunglasses on, you will notice that a faint image of a Magikarp will be in the left corner of this thread. Quite interesting if you ask me!