Top 20 Rankings

[preeder61]

http://www.swimmeet.com

[swimfan]

Top 5 teams: 1 StX; 2 StF; 3 Cville; 4 SC; 5 UA

[preeder61]

Top 5 teams: 1 StX; 2 StF; 3 Cville; 4 SC; 5 UA

Interesting the see StF moving up the prediction latter. Also curious that UA is your 5th with no current rankings in the 200 free relay, 200 free, IM, 50 free, back or breast and only 1 in the fly and 100 free. Too bad that Dublin Scioto can not clone Schuster!

[ff2332]

battle for 100 fly and back should be interesting with the top competitors emerging

[ImPartial]

Interesting the see StF moving up the prediction latter. Also curious that UA is your 5th with no current rankings in the 200 free relay, 200 free, IM, 50 free, back or breast and only 1 in the fly and 100 free. Too bad that Dublin Scioto can not clone Schuster!

At this point, who would you predict would score more than UA and replace them in 5th? I can see UA scoring around 100 points, and if Holstein dives, it could be over 110. Currently, I don't see any other teams that project over 80 points, at least based off of the current top-20 rankings. I see several teams with potential to score 40 individual (between two final/high console finishes) plus 40 relay points,...Firestone (Meisner/Bartley), Solon (Wong/divers), Canfield (Trebilcocks). But it is impossible to count all the guys that do not show up in the top-20 that will contribute points from the consolation heats.

[ohiocuse]

yea guys, any insight on cloning for scioto would be helpful, although hopefully we will have some decent relays in the battle for some consol points, and maybe sneak in a second indivdual swimmer :-)

[preeder61]

At this point, who would you predict would score more than UA and replace them in 5th?

No specific team in mind, it just seems like a big jump from the top 4 with a lot of representation in these rankings to 5th and UA has been fairly silent this season. Although their freshman seem to be performing just not showing up in the top 20.

My nod to Shuster comes on the heels of my disbelief in his times until I actually saw him embarrass the field of good swimmers at the Northeast Classic last weekend. You have to see this kid swim. Like Vigar, he is only taking about 12 strokes per length in freestyle. Wish that he lived in Worthington.

[ff2332]

do you think schuster will swim 200 and 100 free after swimming those times from ne classic? i only ask cuz he has a lot of swims to chose from. and does anyone have anything on schuttinger? he looks like he would chose 50,100, or 200 free; 200 im; or 100 fly.

[thedutchman]

Prediction:
Schuttinger 200 Free & 100 Fly (more rest than IM would give)
Schuster 200 Free & 100 Back (last year he swam 100 fly & 100 back)

[preeder61]

Prediction:
Schuttinger 200 Free & 100 Fly (more rest than IM would give)
Schuster 200 Free & 100 Back (last year he swam 100 fly & 100 back)

I second those predictions, Schuttinger's 1:44 200 free gives him room to jump up and now that he is training with OSU's club team under Goodrich he should taper well and his 51.51 fly is solid. The 200 free is a bit open with no good swim yet from Kelch. I also would like Schuster in the 200 (3 in state now) and watching him swim it last weekend makes me believe that sub 1:40 is possible (yes, Mike possible) I also think that he is a backstroker at heart, but there is more competition and it is at the end which gives him lots of rest since Scioto has a higher rank in the 2MR and 4FR.

So where does that put defending fly back champ Whitaker? Fly certainly, but what next? Kocher has had a great 100 back race, does he combine with the 100 or repeat the 200 from last season (1:41).?

The 50 and the 100 are both anybody's race at this point.

[ff2332]

if schuttinger and schuster swim the 200 free that would be an awesome match-up with miller, perkins, vigar, and probably kocher. would be one of the best if not the best race to watch if it happens.

[ImPartial]

Last year, I thought it was going to be a great 200 finals with Buchanan, Kelch, Perkins, Vigar filling half the lanes in the final heat. And look how that turned out! The only battle among them was Vigar Perkins for 9th/10th, Buchanan ended in 25th.

[rocket25]

Who are the top divers in the city?

[ImpartialOutsider]

Who are the top divers in the city?

In which city? Hahaha.

[LongDecember]

5 weeks to states and here are the top 20 rankings. Early predictions? Upsets? Surprises?

http://www.swimmeet.com

It's STATE, singular. Not plural.

[swimfan]

5 weeks to states and here are the top 20 rankings. Early predictions? Upsets? Surprises?

http://www.swimmeet.com

It's STATE, singular. Not plural.

Is that significant? I think we all knew what preeder met. In fact most people I discuss swimming with refer to it as "states" not STATE... so I suggest that the original reference was accurate.

[Paine]

Actually, the correct term is "state." This is an abbreviation for OHSSA State Swimming and Diving Championships. As you can see, these championships only take place in one state, Ohio. Therefore, the singular form of the abbreviation for this meet should be "State." In my experience, I have only heard people call the high school championship "state" or "the road to state." To be honest "road to states" sounds quite stupid. I don't doubt that swimfan knows people who say "states" instead, but they are still inaccurate.

I find nothing objectionable in using precise language. When there is only one of something involved, standard English says use the singular form of nouns and verbs. I believe LongDecember's post was a constructive contribution.

[ff2332]

Actually, the correct term is "state." This is an abbreviation for OHSSA State Swimming and Diving Championships. As you can see, these championships only take place in one state, Ohio. Therefore, the singular form of the abbreviation for this meet should be "State." In my experience, I have only heard people call the high school championship "state" or "the road to state." To be honest "road to states" sounds quite stupid. I don't doubt that swimfan knows people who say "states" instead, but they are still inaccurate.

I find nothing objectionable in using precise language. When there is only one of something involved, standard English says use the singular form of nouns and verbs. I believe LongDecember's post was a constructive contribution.

Yeah I don't think any of us care to have an English review, lol. But, would rather see some posts on what is going on in the state for division 1 swimming! So...what's going on?

[ImPartial]

Mmmm, seems like some would rather discuss grammar than swimming.

Consider this:
a series of dual meets

sometimes abbreviated as:
a series of duals

or this:
State Championships

sometimes abbreviated as:
States

Are you going to the State Championships?
Are you going to States?

Are you going to the state division one championship meet?
Are you going to state?


I don't know (or really care) if any of these examples are right or wrong, just that it happens.

Any exceptional swims at leagues (meaning, of course, all the league meetS) this weekend?

[Makes Girls Go Bad]

Why argue about possibly the dumbest thing imaginable?

swimmeet.com lists top divers in the state and regions

[Paine]

ImPartial, I'm afraid that calling the State Meet "States" is not so simple. The only reason the OHSSA calls it "championships" is because it includes both diving and swimming. A person goes to a championship not championships. The one exception to this would be if an athlete qualified for state in both diving and swimming, an exception, though rare, that I am sure has happened before. Thus, the only appropriate reason to say "I'm going to states" is if the speaker is competing in both diving and swimming, or wishes to communicate that he is attending both diving and swimming. It's unfortunate that you don't care about being right.

Earth to yappi, but the thread has become English Grammar 101 because no one is talking about swimming. A little speculation here and there, and some pleas for noteworthy results from meets that never receive an answer is all that is present. Debate is non-existent. And it doesn't seem likely to change as the elite swimmers have kept training, preventing any phenomenal times, and championship season is upon us, signaling the end of meets. To answer ff2332's question... There is nothing going on.

[Makes Girls Go Bad]

I feel as if this thread is becoming worthless. I think Paine has answered any question on the "state" wording. Would anyone please put some more statistics/percentages up? I love reading them.

[thedutchman]

Looks like Schieman's healthy again. He won the 100 fly in his league meet with a 51.69.

[ImPartial]

I'm going to States!
I went to States last year. It was great watching both the boys D1 and girls D1 state championship meets (two, count'em two!).
I went to States the year before that. I was able to watch three championships that year.
I may also go to the State Championships in Michigan. I am really looking forward to States!

Now, for leagues...
The leagues that competed last week are three weeks away from districts. Those tapering for districts might have started to taper already, but probably not. Leagues that occur next week are only two weeks from districts, so there might be some initial taper effects seen in those leagues. There will definitely be some people tapering for sectionals, others for districts, and a smaller number specifically for states. Having said that, there were some notable swims at leagues the past few days. At GWOCs, three girls swam faster than the previous state best in the 50 free:

23.72 Dani Barbiea
23.78 Osterhage
23.92 Zelnick

In addition to the 50 free, Barbiea finished at 56.16 in the fly, 0.38s ahead of Jansen's previous state best time.

At the same championships, Schieman won the 50 free in 22.38 and the fly in 51.69. This is close to his season best times and seems to indicate his ankle is feeling better. A bigger surprise was the 200 free, where Osterhage out touched Perkins (last season's champ) at 1:44.75. In the breast, sophomore Pohlman from Beavercreek continues to outshine Centerville's Litvinov, finishing in a season best 59.98.

At other leagues, Luehrmann of McNicholas (GCL D2) turned in a 4:40.66 in the 500 free. At CHLs, the fly was the premier event, featuring the top returning finisher from D2 finals last season, Murphy, along with Hines who was seventh last season. Rice from Indian Hill took the victory at 52.69, with Hines in second at 52.74. Those are currently the third and fifth fastest D2 times this season. Rice also turned in a D2 top-10 time in the IM, winning that event in 1:58.76.

So, despite the lack of swimming-related traffic and the lack of taper, to say "there is nothing going on" might be grammatically correct, but it is not contextually accurate.

[Makes Girls Go Bad]

Who's your "Mom" Preeder?

[Tyler Durden]

By Mom, he means Paine. Because preeder's parents obviously failed to teach him simple grammatical rules, Paine is substituting as his surrogate mother by performing these simple duties.

[Paine]

If you love saying "states" keep at it. Even though you were really watching the division 1 swimming championship and it sounds like you are talking about USA Swimming Age-group states.

preeder: dude, i'm not interested in being a grammar police. I just made an argument over what to call the state meet, an issue brought up by someone else. However, I am frankly baffled by your insistence on solecisms. I mean if you were aware of your noun-verb agreement error, why did you spend more time writing a parenthetical remark apologizing for it when you could have easily made the "were" a "was." I don't want you to post in fear of a grammatical wrath of god because I am not interested in doing that, but I was simply confused.

You also raise a key point about the proper name for the state meet when you use "tournament" which is actually what the OHSSA uses. Tournament might be the most proper word.

[Makes Girls Go Bad]

I believe the proper saying for Paine's domination of Preeder would be "pwnage"

[Paine]

For the record, we did not have this explosion of discourse on anything until I made the challenge. Indeed, something is happening. It only took my post to get anyone to actually comment on it. All that really remains is to speculate on the end of the season, something everyone seems loath to do, or is just simply uninterested.

[Makes Girls Go Bad]

The sheer writing style of Mr. Paine is that of an educated person well beyond our very own comprehension. It is he, who in a sense, is well beyond the level of our ability to comprehend. I'm quite certain, without looking down upon, that no one is actually able to understand the level of writing that Paine provides us on these forums. I can say that his writing style hurts my brain just to read it. In other words, I'd like to say that I make the good girls go bad

[Paine]

I'm sorry if no one can understand me, but you are too kind Make Girls Go Bad. I'm sure they are so bad when you are done with them

[Makes Girls Go Bad]

Let's just say your level of writing is a equivalent to my skills in making girls go bad. So in a sense, they are super bad when I'm done

[techhawk101]

These posts are moronic. Get back on the topic of Top 20 teams, or do not post. Nobody is interested in your grammar or lack of grammar skills

[Paine]

Go back to top 20 times. What is there to say? There has been no discussion for a week. I never was talking about the topic anyway so to get back to it is simply impossible. You are a grade A, bona fide moron.

[swimfan]

New top times are posted on swimmeet.com for Central District. It has Whitaker with a 50.90 in 100 fly which would be the top time in the state. When did he swim that? Doesn't look like St. Charles has had any meets since Centerville and the CCL. He didn't swim that time in those meets. Anyway, it looks like he's dropping time at the right time.

[xChinax]

Mr. Paine, i see that you have very strong english skills. You are a well educated man who will be very successful someday. I find it amazing how so many people do not take pride in our english language. And i thank you for your contribution to help more people learn to become true english language experts.

[streaker182]

These posts are moronic. Get back on the topic of Top 20 teams, or do not post. Nobody is interested in your grammar or lack of grammar skills

Honestly I'd rather read about Mr. Paine correcting people's grammar than read about restated facts that won't change a single thing come "states." :shrug: