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Fly4Fun
02-25-09, 11:03 AM
Cool idea by Swimmeet.com to put together a mythical no division scoring of both boys and girls. It's kind of sad to see how it works out though as it seemingly makes the Boy's Swimming team race much more competitive.

St. X - 228
St. Charles - 205
Moeller - 188
UA - 147
University - 145

The top 3 being within 40 points of the projected scores would make for an amazing meet for the team competition.

This is the projected with divisions:

St. X - 283
St. Charles - 232
Moeller - 215
UA - 160
Toledo St. Francis De Sales - 154
Centerville - 154

Top 3 spread out over 70ish points

and in D2

University - 292
New Albany - 199
Wyoming - 176
Cuyahoga Falls Walsh Jesuit - 162
Sandusky Perkins - 135

Seemingly no challenger to University, although the battle for second could be good.


How much more exciting/interesting would a single division format have been? Ya more swimmers get to swim with two divisions, but competition is clearly diluted, the races won't be as close. And beyond the individual races it makes the team races more diluted.

Girls:

The girls side is a bit different.

UA dominates no matter what, apparently there's no stopping those girls. What is intriguing is what hapens to the D2 schools with a 1 Division format. Hawken practically falls off the map (relatively). They drop all the way to 13, behind New Albany (who is also D2 and 100 points behind in the projected D2 standings). The 3rd and 4th teams in D2 girls Wyoming and Lima Shawnee drop all the way to last with only 1 point scored for each.

Now my main question is relative to Gates Mills Hawken. I know they've been a D2 power for years now. Before the split for girls were they a D1 power? Are they in a weak year this year and normally stack up better against other D1 teams? If they were once a D1 power has there been a gradual decline in over all performance because of a lack of competition?

xbomberd08
02-25-09, 02:47 PM
University being 5th going into state with a single division is a low place for them. Think about it, they don't have to taper most of their guys to qualify for DII like a lot of DI teams, so they'll have a lot more guys dropping time at state than the 4 DI teams ahead of them.

And speaking of the two divisions and being able to have more swimmers swim, has anyone seen the way tickets are set up for state? Tickets went from $28 to $32 and now instead of seeing prelims and finals for 3 divisions (2 girls and 1 guys) divided up in 4 sessions, you now only get either a DI ticket or DII ticket where you only see 2 divisions (1 girls and 1 guys) divided up into only 2 sessions. Maybe there should be a separate thread on this, but it seems like the OHSAA was a lot more interested in siphoning more money out of people than making a 'fair' state meet.