Springfield still D2?

[Irish87]

With the declining enrollment over the last 4 - 5 years in Springfield Schools, does anybody know if they will be dropping a Division or two for Boys sports?

[GRPride86]

According to the OHSAA website, they don't recalculate divisions until this spring. Whenever "this spring" is.

http://www.ohsaa.org/members/sptdivis07.htm

Added the link to the breakdown.

[Irish87]

Is it every 2 years they look at Enrollment?
Springfield has been declining for years now. I'm surprised they've held onto their D2 status even for 2008.
Anybody have figures from Springfield, from say 3 years ago, to 2009?
Polster?

[thepolster]

748 enrolled total, of that there are 10 from foster care and 103 that are in open enrollment. Thanks for asking Irish :) I dont know the total from 06 but I can call Miss Grubbs and ask her. be back shortly , stay glued to your screen.

[GRPride86]

How many are boys?

[spartan71]

Springfield High School Spartans Springfield Township Red, Gray
Public 853

this is what was on the web from 2006

[thepolster]

This is staggering. This is what was told to me. We had a total of 2,640 kids in the Springfield district starting at aug.1 08. We now have 2485. 155 in the red. Irish we had 2937 in 2006 and 950 in the highschool alone. Check this out, mogadore has a 133 of our kids open enrolled today. Miss Grubbs cant give me a accurate count on private schools because they don't keep a record of it. Gr86 we currently have 427 male and 407 female. The earlier numbers I had were incorrect. To sum up it up is there is actually two springfield districts..... modore and springfield.ha ahahah

[spartan71]

from polsters numbers looks like no division change this spring at least in football....
427 boys this year how many seniors were on the FB team??
juniors... and sophmores.... if 1 out of 5 kids played FB which is a reasonable goal, that would put us around 85 kids for 9-12 i can say we were not even close to that figure this season... anyone got the roster of players for this season in Springfield?? In Moggy they were probably around 1 out of every 2 or 3 kids playing football i know we would never reach that ratio in Springfield but if 1 in 4 would play here that would send us over 100 kids playing HS football which would make us more consitantly competitive, but not automatically a good team of course that depends on coaching, dedication and talent..

[thepolster]

Here's a thought for consideration. If the board does get a bond issue passed what happens to schrop. And where will the BYF play and practice?

[spartan71]

like that will ever happen... but i'm sure Springhill would be open then...

[thepolster]

Thats true, if lake cant get one passed then Springfield will really be in trouble. If in some way the bond does get passed there wont be a schrop, or springhill .

[spartan71]

the feeling i'm getting out here is everyone feels like the Lake schools slipped the last levy by them and they have no interest in passing a bond for new schools.. the schools they are looking to replace are joined together Hartville/Lake Elemetary and they are old buildings but i can say without doubt both those buildings are in better shape than any school in Springfield including our newest jem Springhill circa 1970ish..
the super in Lake is concerned with the operating costs of those old buildings and growing enrollment issues, they are simply running out of room... and not to rub things in Springfields face but its been so long since i have been around a school system that is well funded i forgot about the things that have been taken away and some of the newer technologies in the classroom. Springfields students are getting an excellent rating by the state under fair to poor school conditions and i commend them and thier teachers for that.
heard the Ted Strickland will be speaking @ Springfield HS today @ 3:45pm about school funding.... Timing is everything and the President spoke of some of the stimulus package going to build some schools... i would think springfield would be high on the list for federal help.. heres to hoping for the best...

[Shiloh]

from polsters numbers looks like no division change this spring at least in football....
427 boys this year how many seniors were on the FB team??
juniors... and sophmores.... if 1 out of 5 kids played FB which is a reasonable goal, that would put us around 85 kids for 9-12 i can say we were not even close to that figure this season... anyone got the roster of players for this season in Springfield?? In Moggy they were probably around 1 out of every 2 or 3 kids playing football i know we would never reach that ratio in Springfield but if 1 in 4 would play here that would send us over 100 kids playing HS football which would make us more consitantly competitive, but not automatically a good team of course that depends on coaching, dedication and talent..

In just about any other district this would make sense.
BUT...
Walk the halls...just ONCE. Not one boy in 20 is even remotely athletic, and that's about the same number that wants to play sports.

The district is headed for D3. Anyone know how that affects their playoff chances? :angel:

[Shiloh]

the feeling i'm getting out here is everyone feels like the Lake schools slipped the last levy by them and they have no interest in passing a bond for new schools.. the schools they are looking to replace are joined together Hartville/Lake Elemetary and they are old buildings but i can say without doubt both those buildings are in better shape than any school in Springfield including our newest jem Springhill circa 1970ish..
the super in Lake is concerned with the operating costs of those old buildings and growing enrollment issues, they are simply running out of room... and not to rub things in Springfields face but its been so long since i have been around a school system that is well funded i forgot about the things that have been taken away and some of the newer technologies in the classroom. Springfields students are getting an excellent rating by the state under fair to poor school conditions and i commend them and thier teachers for that.
heard the Ted Strickland will be speaking @ Springfield HS today @ 3:45pm about school funding.... Timing is everything and the President spoke of some of the stimulus package going to build some schools... i would think springfield would be high on the list for federal help.. heres to hoping for the best...

Unfortunately, the parts that were cut out of stimulus package in order to get it "down" to around 800 billion from the 1.2 trillion it was hovering at was 1. Education and 2. Aid to the states.

In other words, no relief for Ohio schools. That's too bad. If Springfield built a new HS than that could change the entire equation of kids leaving the district.

[thepolster]

In just about any other district this would make sense.
BUT...
Walk the halls...just ONCE. Not one boy in 20 is even remotely athletic, and that's about the same number that wants to play sports.

The district is headed for D3. Anyone know how that affects their playoff chances? :angel: I would have to disagree with the talent and athletic ability Shiloh. We are going to have a very good team this year. We are going to have some very good speed in the backfield this year.

[spartan71]

In just about any other district this would make sense.
BUT...
Walk the halls...just ONCE. Not one boy in 20 is even remotely athletic, and that's about the same number that wants to play sports.

The district is headed for D3. Anyone know how that affects their playoff chances? :angel: your generalizing the whole school based on a couple grades that you may know shiloh i would agree the upperclasses are not spectacular in most ways just a couple studs but from the current 10th grade down there is average to above average talent for those classes... d3 is still at least 2 years away and they have 427 boys in the HS right now that is still pretty far from D3 dont see it happening for about 4 years if the current trend of student loss continues..

and really shiloh until we get the kids in the weight room and on the practice field and get a look at them, how do we know they are not remotley athletic?? if you can look at someone and tell me how good a football player they are by walking down the hallway ONCE then you are in the wrong proffesion (dont know what you do just a figure of speech).. every year i watch kids go thru conditioning in youth and i form "opinions" about kids based on what i see with no pads or contact and after 6 seasons of this i am suprised each year by who is really a stud when they strap the helmuts and shoulder pads on it never fails.

[Irish87]

In just about any other district this would make sense.
BUT...
Walk the halls...just ONCE. Not one boy in 20 is even remotely athletic, and that's about the same number that wants to play sports.

The district is headed for D3. Anyone know how that affects their playoff chances? :angel:

Shilo,
out of curiosity, because I have no idea who you are, have you been to any of the cuurent 7th, 8th or 9th grade Football games? These 3 classes have a ton of potential, and we haven't even reached a 1/4 of the kids in these classes to come out and participate. Last year moving to the BYF League was a huge step forward, in getting kids out for Football and we hope this trend will continue. If we reach them at the 5th and 6th grade levels, that only improves their chances of being more athletic once they hit H.S.

[Shiloh]

It's not just the bodies spartan71- its the heads and hearts too. And they are woefully lacking in all three (at least in football the last 5-7 years)

I'm sure they have potential, but don't your teams seem to peak in 5-8th grades?

And in a district like Springfield you are not going to "get" many more kids than you already have. They have already quit and been turned off from sports (for whatever reasons)

I agree you HAVE to reach them in 4-5th grade. Good luck in that.

[Buckeye29]

It's not just the bodies spartan71- its the heads and hearts too. And they are woefully lacking in all three (at least in football the last 5-7 years)

I'm sure they have potential, but don't your teams seem to peak in 5-8th grades?

And in a district like Springfield you are not going to "get" many more kids than you already have. They have already quit and been turned off from sports (for whatever reasons)

I agree you HAVE to reach them in 4-5th grade. Good luck in that.

You obviously have not seen any of the 7th and 8th graders in Springfield play any sport because that group has an abundance of HEART and TALENT! Has there been problems with football the past few years? Sure. You say it's a lack of heart? When does coaching come into play? I'd say it takes a lot of heart to keep coming out year after year when you haven't won for so long. There are good people in the community now working to help turn things around, and as far as I'm concerned, doing a damn good job!!!

[zurxon]

It's almost a certainty that Springfield is in D3 starting in fall '09. At least if the # of schools per division remains anywhere close to the way it is currently. There are at least 4-5 schools which would stand to have more grade 9-11 boys than Springfield and still be D3.

[Irish87]

Not sure that this is a huge deal for Springfield at this point. I think about half of their Football schedule is pretty much made up of D3 teams anyhow. If and when the Spartans begin competing for Playoff spots, is where we'll notice the change the most.
If I'm not mistaken, Ellet, Field, Kent and Ravenna would be the only D2 Schools left on their schedule.

[GRPride86]

Looks like Field may drop to D3 this season, their numbers are 302.

[zurxon]

Field was D3 and will still be. Looks like Ravenna will move up to D2. Yeah, it's not really important right now, just goes a long way towards showing the huge decline in students recently. For the record: I am a Field graduate and lived there for 30 years, reside in Akron currently and my junior high aged daughters attend Springfield. I wonder what Springfield's +/- # is regarding losses or gains due to open enrollment?

[Irish87]

Open Enrollment has hurt Springfield. I couldn't tell you how much, but it has hurt them. I'm pretty sure Green has had a few Springfield kids being large contributors to previous Football Teams. And I can't say that I blame parents/kids for wanting to leave. The community had plenty of chances to turn the Schools around, but they rejected the levy every time to try and save a few bucks. Hopefully they can turn it around in the near future, or you will continue to see students leave for other Districts.

[Irish87]

Open Enrollment has hurt Springfield. I couldn't tell you how much, but it has hurt them. I'm pretty sure Green has had a few Springfield kids being large contributors to previous Football Teams. And I can't say that I blame parents/kids for wanting to leave. The community had plenty of chances to turn the Schools around, but they rejected the levy every time to try and save a few bucks. Hopefully they can turn it around in the near future, or you will continue to see students leave for other Districts.

[bass10]

Open Enrollment has hurt Springfield. I couldn't tell you how much, but it has hurt them. I'm pretty sure Green has had a few Springfield kids being large contributors to previous Football Teams. And I can't say that I blame parents/kids for wanting to leave. The community had plenty of chances to turn the Schools around, but they rejected the levy every time to try and save a few bucks. Hopefully they can turn it around in the near future, or you will continue to see students leave for other Districts.

Green doesn't have open enrollment so if we have any S kids they would have had to be creative to get here. I know for a fact no big contributors or even small came from Springfield for FBall or BBall. Now I do hear rumbelings of kids from Northwest trying to move somewhere, anywhere, and Green is an option, their programs are going to be a mess.

[Irish87]

My bad Bass. It was late in the work day and for some reason I was thinking Green was open enrollment, but I do know for a fact, there have been a few Springfield kids, who ended up playing at Green. Now, you are probably right, they probably did move into Green, but for a while, they lived in Springfield. Buckeye29 has mentioned a few names on here, that were Springfield defects. Mason is the first name that comes to mind.

[chopblock]

Springfield is D3 in football. Which is a harder place to play in the football playoffs than D2 because the privates in D3. I think that is a far worry for SHS until they can go .500. Which is a possibility with Waterloo on the schedule and Coventry and Southeast being down.
Depends how many kids follow through the entire summer lifting and the big question is always getting the job done with grades.

[zurxon]

The good thing is that well over half, in fact most of the D3 Region 9 playoff teams are gone from the last 2 years. Ravenna, Walsh(beat Field last 2 years in playoffs), Aurora(defending state champs), Mentor Lake Catholic(2007 regional champs), I believe Rocky River, Y'Town Liberty I believe as well and Lakeview, NDCL which are always close to qualifying. Even if St V, Hoban and Mooney join the region 9 ranks, that still means a greater possiblity come playoff time for the local schools. Seriously, 8 new teams could make the playoffs and I wouldn't be surprised.