Southwest District, who will win the district meet?

[Xbomber098]

Who do you think will win district? Will Centerville try to win with a full taper, or will X emerge victorious?

[White_Men_Cant_Jump7]

[Sarcasm]

because they are the best swimmers ever right?

[end sarcasm]

[Amazin']

the sarcasm is never over when it comes to Centerville talk.

But. Moeller will be up there again. 3rd last year with an improved Senior class, Putting more pressure on St. X. I'm looking forward to the meet between the Untapored GCL Schools and whatever Centerville decides to do.

[thedutchman]

In the most recent posting of top 20 times for the Southwest District on swimmeet.com, X has 29 different swimmers listed and has 71 of the top 20 times which translates to 44% of the times posted; Centerville has 9 different swimmers listed and 16 of the top 20 times posted (10%); and Moeller has 7 different swimmers listed and 19 of the top 20 times posted (12%). I didn't count Mason which had a fair number listed. Anyway, my money is on X to win the district with Centerville second; Moeller third and Mason fourth.

[xbomberd08]

They still score the district meet?

[ElksSWIM2010]

its too early to use those rankings for anything some things are not updated
plus many swimmers like buchanon and abeysinghe have yet to swim

[floaties101]

In the most recent posting of top 20 times for the Southwest District on swimmeet.com, X has 29 different swimmers listed and has 71 of the top 20 times which translates to 44% of the times posted; Centerville has 9 different swimmers listed and 16 of the top 20 times posted (10%); and Moeller has 7 different swimmers listed and 19 of the top 20 times posted (12%). I didn't count Mason which had a fair number listed. Anyway, my money is on X to win the district with Centerville second; Moeller third and Mason fourth.

I agree with you until mason with fourth. They may have a decent showing on the top 20 but like the previous guy said it is not compleatly accurate. They might not even win GMCs let alone come in 4th at districts. Remember their relays are not going to be as good this year.

[ImPartial]

In the most recent posting of top 20 times for the Southwest District on swimmeet.com, X has 29 different swimmers listed and has 71 of the top 20 times which translates to 44% of the times posted; Centerville has 9 different swimmers listed and 16 of the top 20 times posted (10%); and Moeller has 7 different swimmers listed and 19 of the top 20 times posted (12%). I didn't count Mason which had a fair number listed. Anyway, my money is on X to win the district with Centerville second; Moeller third and Mason fourth.

I counted Mason swimmers/times, to summarize:
29/71 StX
9/16 Centerville
7/19 Moeller
9/18 Mason

Mason's diver doesn't have a score listed yet, but he should eventually show up.


I agree with you until mason with fourth. They may have a decent showing on the top 20 but like the previous guy said it is not compleatly accurate. They might not even win GMCs let alone come in 4th at districts. Remember their relays are not going to be as good this year.


I looked at GMCsports.com, and I don't see anyone obvious that has a chance to beat Mason in the GMC. Who do you think has that shot?

[floaties101]

Well mason is worse than last year and so are their relays. With teams like Fairfield and Oakhills taking points away from the non-club team swimmers, which they have a ton of, West could pull the upset. Mason will still be favored to win but with Koch and Hart in line to win two events each west may sneek past with some good relay performances.
Either way i dont think that mason will get 4th at districts.

[ImPartial]

Lakota West has about four guys that should score in individual events at GMC. Mason has 9-10 that should score in individual events. Even if LW wins all three relays (impossible by the way, they only have enough decent swimmers for two relays) and Mason goes third, Mason would still be 50-80 points ahead. There will be an interesting battle for second, but I don't see any teams with enough scoring swimmers to overcome Mason at GMC. Now maybe, if three or four Mason guys get sick or injured, then it gets REAL interesting.

[floaties101]

Yes if all stays the same mason should win but you give them too much credit. 9-10 people that will score is a little bit of a strech. They don't really have any big scoreing threat besides Supronos who might not even win. Relays should be interesting to see, not that they will challenge the ones in the GCL.

[xswimmer100]

1. Moeller
2. Centerville
3. St. Xavier

[stxbomber999]

1. Moeller
2. Centerville
3. St. Xavier

how do you figure that happens?

[Amazin']

even though many people would love to see it happen... i have some doubts

[thedutchman]

1. Moeller
2. Centerville
3. St. Xavier

how do you figure that happens?

They dq all of X's relays.

[msjega]

didnt centerville beat moeller at larry lyons?

[Amazin']

Once again. Larry Lyons means nothing. Centerville hypes themselves up for the meet more than they would for the state meet. Example, during the 400 free relay, centerville was up and getting warmed up before the race. Moeller was just sitting around, mostly half asleep. And yet, at the end of the race, Moeller came out ahead.

Also, larry lyons does not directly show how districts will end up. At districts there are more teams to mix in and take points away from others. Example, St. X in the 200 free, 200 IM, and 500 free and 100 breast. (Centerville's strong events).

Finally, a meet in the beginning of January shouldn't be an end all meet for a team because of the winter training. Every swimmer reacts differently from the work load, recovering faster or slower than others.

[msjega]

If these meets mean nothing then why do we swim them... Its to see where we are in the season compared to everyone else. Also Centerville being that close to St.X at big 8 when there rested and centerville isn't sure says alot.
Oh and moeller won't win because they all swim 200, 100 , 50 free except Albers and saunders in the 100 fly but they will get relay points and points in 5 events 5 people can't win districts. End of Story it'll between X and Centerville

[msjega]

I mean BOth of albers events the 100 breast and 200 im not him in the 100 fly

[crusader007]

Lets not forget about diving...didn't Centerville have two divers score big?

[neutralobserver]

I think all of us may be overlooking Fairfield in the GMC. Fairfield may have enough depth to sneak by. Tyler Nuss is swimming well and may be a sleeper. He looked strong at the Best of the West as did Carter Adams. I don't know if they have any good divers. That may hurt.

[Swimmerman5428]

not only tyler nuss and carter adams but also derek harmon who goes 1:03 in breast which puts him 1st in the GMC along with Andrew Adams who dont forget went a 4:46 last year in 500 free only losing to Koch on the last 50 he has also has gone 1:49 putting him 2nd in 200 free according to GMCsports.com also John Carter who went a 57 in 100 back with a hyper extended knee at Best of the West.

ha sorry im a bit biased but still =]

[Amazin']

not only tyler nuss and carter adams but also derek harmon who goes 1:03 in breast which puts him 1st in the GMC along with Andrew Adams who dont forget went a 4:46 last year in 500 free only losing to Koch on the last 50 he has also has gone 1:49 putting him 2nd in 200 free according to GMCsports.com also John Carter who went a 57 in 100 back with a hyper extended knee at Best of the West.

ha sorry im a bit biased but still =]

so where do they fit in the mix? top 10? top 5?

[Swimmerman5428]

might sneak in at first in GMCs and probably top ten at southwest districts

[ImPartial]

Using the times posted on gmcsports.com, the league meet would score approximately:

230 Mason
200 Oak Hills
190 Lakota West
180 Sycamore
180 Fairfield

That takes into account limiting swimmers to two events and three team entries per event. After removing swimmers from 3rd/4th events, that leaves about nine entries per event. So there are still some missing points from the last place scoring finishers.

Oak Hills gets about 30 points from diving. Add Steve Sargeant's ~260 score from the Lyons meet to the divers list. It looks like if someone can recruit three freshman to do a couple cannonballs, they could add an extra 20 points with diving.

However, I don't think Oak Hills can place first/second in all three relays. Their three relay times all came with the four same swimmers. Their mid-season 200 free relay time is already faster than the league record, so that should be broken this year.

[floaties101]

That may be pretty accurate, but it does not take into account events that have not been swam yet and might be swum at GMCs. Like Koch might swim the 100 breast to win that and let McNamara score big in the 500, or luke Rodenbaugh swimming 100 breast instead of 100 free because of shnur(I don't know how to spell it)

[ImPartial]

Koch moving out of the 500 raises McNamara's score by one, but moving Koch into the breast reduces Alex Hart's score by one. Net gain for LW, zero.

Oak Hills maximum score comes by having Rhodenbaugh in the fly and breaststroke, since he seems to be the only one from Oak that can score well in something other than the 50/100 free...already accounted for in that 200 score.

[Bomber1990]

Don't be so quick to take Koch out of the 500. Remember Andrew Adams isn't going to roll over in that 500. He nearly got Koch last year, and both of them were quite a bit ahead of the rest. LW may keep Koch in the 500 to try and earn the first place points. I know Adams will be gunning for revenge for last years close race.

[xbomberd08]

swimmeet.com updated top times for the SW district, but there are a lot of omissions from the classic so it's not very accurate.

[floaties101]

So what about individual top 5? We have seen the times from classic and unless someone really breakes out at conference championships the stage is set to see who can claim district titles.

[thedutchman]

Psych sheets are up on swimmeet.com

[*swim_observe_love*]

i predict

st. x
mason
sycamore
fairfield

[crusader007]

I hope your not talking about District final scores?

[xbomberd08]

No way that's the final order of Districts...

[crusader007]

i predict

st. x
mason
sycamore
fairfield

How do you suppose those to be the placements? Heres Classic standings for those teams...

8. Mason 112
10. Fairfield 106
11. Cincinnati Sycamore 94

[ElksSWIM2010]

i doubt thats what he ment

[ImPartial]

Since sectionals are this week, how about sectional projections:

at Keating:
1. StX
2. Fairfield
3. Oak Hills

at Mason:
1. Moeller
2. Mason
3. Sycamore

[fast4you]

That looks right. It will be interesting to see how many swimmers make it out of each sectional. The Keating and the Mason ones are by far the fastest.

[Number1Spot77]

That looks right. It will be interesting to see how many swimmers make it out of each sectional. The Keating and the Mason ones are by far the fastest.

Only because the two fastest teams in the state are there. ha Moeller and St. X. By far the two best teams.

[Fly4Fun]

Only because the two fastest teams in the state are there. ha Moeller and St. X. By far the two best teams.

"By far" the two best teams in the State?

I believe a lot of people last year were counting out St. Charles while referencing how St. X handled UA despite UA looking to be in good position a few years ago.

While St. Charles did lose a lot from their Senior class last year, I wouldn't completely write them off from being competitive at the top come tapers and the State Meet. I am certain that Goodrich will have the St. Charles guys ready to compete at their Sectional, District and State Meets. To say that St. Xavier and Moeller are "BY FAR" the best teams is taking it too far imo.

Also, there is definitely a strong case for the Upper Arlington Sectional meet being up there with Keating and Mason.

I guess my message is don't forget there are fast swimmers in other places beyond Cinci.

[Number1Spot77]

"By far" the two best teams in the State?

I believe a lot of people last year were counting out St. Charles while referencing how St. X handled UA despite UA looking to be in good position a few years ago.

While St. Charles did lose a lot from their Senior class last year, I wouldn't completely write them off from being competitive at the top come tapers and the State Meet. I am certain that Goodrich will have the St. Charles guys ready to compete at their Sectional, District and State Meets. To say that St. Xavier and Moeller are "BY FAR" the best teams is taking it too far imo.

Also, there is definitely a strong case for the Upper Arlington Sectional meet being up there with Keating and Mason.

I guess my message is don't forget there are fast swimmers in other places beyond Cinci.

There are fast swimmers coming from other districts, dont get me wrong. But when it comes to the most fast swimmers (depth) Cincinnati wins easily. You can not argue that.

[Fly4Fun]

There are fast swimmers coming from other districts, dont get me wrong. But when it comes to the most fast swimmers (depth) Cincinnati wins easily. You can not argue that.

But that wasn't the original claim. People said "by far" those were the two fastest sectional meets and I provided a sectional meet that has just as fast times and depth to compete. Also it was claimed that "by far" St. Xavier and Moeller were the two best teams, and I contested that as well.

It's one thing to say such and such is fast or such and such is a great team. But to say "by far" is an exaggeration of reality and inaccurate. Will St. X and Moeller go 1-2 at state? Possibly, but will they just absolutely dominate the rest of competition and leave everyone else in the dust? I doubt it. There are other great teams out there. I think some people sometimes to forget to look beyond Cinci.

And is the Southwest District traditionally the fastest District? Yes. But that doesn't mean that other Districts aren't doing well for themselves either. The Central District seems a lot stronger than I remember it being 4-8 years ago. There seem to be better individual swimmers and teams coming out of there.

I understand the pride of coming from a strong area in competition and still doing well, but there is no need to debase others accomplishments or trials by claiming no one else can come close.

[ImPartial]

All the diving is complete for the SW sectionals. Here is the scoring so far:

at Mason:
50 Anderson
28 Loveland
20 Mason
16 Sycamore
13 Moeller

at Keating:
55 StX
31 Elder
24 LaSalle
19 Hamilton
13 Lakota West
11 Oak Hills
2 Fairfield

All 4 StX divers are now seeded in the top 16 at district. Only one of the 4 Anderson divers qualified for district and he is seeded 17th.

StX is projected to score 35 points from diving at district. Moeller's lone diver did not qualify. That means Moeller will begin the district 30-some points behind StX before the 200 medley relay start.

[Fly4Fun]

I wish the diving would be separated from swimming as the two sports really don't have much in common besides the fact that they both end up in the water. Swimming is about what is down in the water for the most part while Diving is more about what is down outside the water and is more like gymnastics than swimming. The similarities between the two sports are so miniscule that it is a shame that they are so linked together.

This would be like having a close football game determined by short cheerleading competition between the opposing squads' respective cheerleaders. Sure they are both at the same event and are both on the field, but honestly, what does CHeerleading have to do with Football? I look at that the same way as swimming and diving.

I have no problems with divers, in college my best friend on the team was a excellent diver. I just don't think it makes sense to have their totally separate sport effect swim meet outcomes. Divers and swimmers can still be together, just score them separately... at least at the HS level where having a dive team is even more rare than having a swim team for schools.

[ImPartial]

I wish the diving would be separated from swimming as the two sports really don't have much in common besides the fact that they both end up in the water. Swimming is about what is down in the water for the most part while Diving is more about what is down outside the water and is more like gymnastics than swimming. The similarities between the two sports are so miniscule that it is a shame that they are so linked together.



OH MY!!! If we did that, where would the madness end? Next we would split track & field, then x's and o's, chutes and ladders. Just where would we draw the line? No sir I say. Swimming & diving together is just how ___insert_your_deity_here___ intended, just like apples and oranges.

[Fly4Fun]

OH MY!!! If we did that, where would the madness end? Next we would split track & field, then x's and o's, chutes and ladders. Just where would we draw the line? No sir I say. Swimming & diving together is just how ___insert_your_deity_here___ intended, just like apples and oranges.


Why did the madness begin is the real question. Swimming and Diving have very little in common as a sport. Diving is much more similar to gymnastics as far as abilities required and skills practiced go. The only reason swimming and diving ever got lumped together is because of H2O which is not a good reason. Would you honestly believe Cheerleading and Football should have an impact on each other towards the final outcome? They both participate in the football stadium though?

Diving is about acrobatic precision movements done in the air in an aesthetically pleasing manner. Swimming is about racing against opponents using power, speed and endurance to win.

Swimming is no more similar to Diving than Track & Field is to gymnastics. I see the potential for people to say that the field events have nothing to do with running events in track, but those still do have things in common. Both track and field events are about power, speed, endurance in some mixture of the 3. At no point does the judgment of any of the events include interpretation to aesthetics and subjective opinions, which is what diving is.

Sorry, but the fact that swimming and diving are combined together is the true madness, and that's why it should be stopped.

[BigSwimFan]

I agree that swimming and diving should be scored apart.

Anyways; I'm looking forward to the swimming tonight and see how things set up for next weekend. Can't wait to watch the 500 tonight at Keating and to see what X does on the relays.

Any other races this weekend you are excited about?

[SwimFan23]

is that whats moellers excuse is gonna be when they lose to X and cville?....diving cause that soundsl like the case you are making

[Fly4Fun]

is that whats moellers excuse is gonna be when they lose to X and cville?....diving cause that soundsl like the case you are making

Yes, I'm making excuses for a school that I have zero ties to in any form... bad assumption on your part.

I was sharing my opinion on a subject that I felt strongly about (something that is allowed and indeed encouraged on message boards as doing so is the primary purpose of their existence).

[ImPartial]

I agree that swimming and diving should be scored apart.

Anyways; I'm looking forward to the swimming tonight and see how things set up for next weekend. Can't wait to watch the 500 tonight at Keating and to see what X does on the relays.

Any other races this weekend you are excited about?

OK, just to lighten things up a bit more

someone make this proposal to OHSAA, two new sports:

Fall: Sychronized swimming & diving
Winter: Water racing

That way, gymnasts can do diving in the fall and gymnastics in the winter.

The 50 free at Keating and Mason.
The 200 free at Keating.
The 200 free at Mason to see how close Krone is to his 1:41.95 seed time.
The 400 relay at Mason to see why Moeller entered a 3:15.63 seed time.

[techhawk101]

Fly4Fun makes valid points. The two disciplines should be judged separately.

[XdesIDtrans]

I disagree about the diving only because I think why not? Sure it would make sense seperately, but there isn't a good reason it shouldn't be included in the state scores, at least it hasn't really given anybody an unfair advantage that I know of. It's a lot less like cheerleaders vs football players, and a lot more like touchdown vs field goal.

I think the obvious reason it's tacked on might be the fact that it helps promote the sport. Alone it would be like gymnastics, how many high schools have it?

[xbomberd08]

I don't see a problem with it, they call it swimming AND diving for a reason, just like they call it track AND field.

[floaties101]

What your diver also swims an event??
Wouldn't want to split it then.

[Amazin']

if they are split, you could also add different heights. Or have platform, and spring board, or amount of dives

[Fly4Fun]

if they are split, you could also add different heights. Or have platform, and spring board, or amount of dives

Definitely not feasible for high school diving (the platforms or different heights). The costs for facilities and training would be way too much.

At least I don't see it happenings.

[BigSwimFan]

St. X will have a big lead before the meet starts with the diving results. Still waiting on full results, but I am excited for tomorrow. This meet is always fast and fun to watch. Anybody going to the meet or just watching for results online?

[ImPartial]

In the most recent posting of top 20 times for the Southwest District on swimmeet.com, X has 29 different swimmers listed and has 71 of the top 20 times which translates to 44% of the times posted; Centerville has 9 different swimmers listed and 16 of the top 20 times posted (10%); and Moeller has 7 different swimmers listed and 19 of the top 20 times posted (12%). I didn't count Mason which had a fair number listed. Anyway, my money is on X to win the district with Centerville second; Moeller third and Mason fourth.

Wow dutchman, that prediction was perfect!!! That is quite a contrast from this poster:


I agree with you until mason with fourth. They might not even win GMCs let alone come in 4th at districts.



Either way i dont think that mason will get 4th at districts.

Yes if all stays the same mason should win but you give them too much credit. 9-10 people that will score [at GMC] is a little bit of a strech.


Mason had 22 people score at GMC and 9 scored at district. Shoot your mouth off, underestimate your opponent, overestimate yourself,... often leads to something like this:


I guess I just had false confidence...