Gcl 2009

[xswimmer100]

Just to get conversation flowing, I'm wondering if anybody has any thoughts on who will win the GCL this year. moeller returns a very strong year. people know that x tends to swim their b team at gcl's. but i'm willing to bet this year, that their best swimmers compete. anybody have any thoughts, or am i the only one?

[Amazin']

we'll have to wait and see. its still over a month away. there is alot of swimming till then

[xswimmer100]

i'm happy to see that amazin actually said something worthwhile in this thread. last year, moeller would have won gcl, but they lacked depth in some events. this year they return a strong core of state qualifiers in albers, krone, sanders, koenig and schwab. not to mention they have depth in another albers and some strong freshman swimmers. there is a lot of swimming left, i agree. but if gcl's were today, st x would not be able to beat moeller.

[Amazin']

weren't you just talking about respecting people on the other chat?
plus you obviously haven't heard the centerville people talk much. (they own everything that has to do with water)

[xswimmer100]

i found this on cincinnati.com

OH Boys Swimming, Division I: Week 2
Rank Team Points
1 St. Xavier 29 (2)
2 Moeller 28 (1)
3 Oak Hills 17
3 Mason 17
3 Lakota West 17
6 Fairfield 16
7 LaSalle 11
8 Sycamore 9
9 Lakota East 7
10 Milford 5
10 Anderson 5
12 Kings 3
13 Elder 1


i am not sure what these rankings are based on, but they are very revealing. lets remember that st x has already swam in a high profile meet against st charles and in an invitation with st charles in columbus. all the while, moeller has competed against the lesser likes of princeton and sycamore. perhaps, if moeller were swimming against some higher profile competition, their swimmers would have the times to overtake st x in this poll. while it is early, i will remain steadfast in picking moeller as the 09 gcl champion

[stxbomber999]

Im just wandering what you base moeller's victory on. You mention Albers, Krone, Sanders, Koenig and Schwab, but I can throw out five names for X that are just as strong or better, Lawley, Columbus, Schwartz, Lipari and Miller. And after that what does moeller have, I know you said they have a good freshman class, but no one in the state can compare with X's depth

[xswimmer100]

i base moeller's victory on the fact that their top five swimmers will compete entirely in gcl's. its unknown as to this point if st xaviers top swimmers will compete in gcl this year. last year, some of there better swimmers swam in relays. st x's top swimmers cannot only swim in relays, but also compete in individual events as well. this year more than ever, st x cannot swim their "b" team. if they do, they can kiss their 50 plus year winning streak in the gcl goodbye.

[stxbomber999]

yeah i could see Matt and Will maybe swimming an off event or two

[xswimmer100]

what's the point in having st x swimmers competing in off events. mark my words, ST X WILL LOSE if that is the case. not only will their best swimmers swim relays, but their BEST events. it would not surprise me to see both columbus and lawley in the 200 free and lawley in the 100 free and columbus in the 500. x cannot just let krone destroy the competition in freestyle. alex miller may swim an event or two, perhaps off events such as 200 im or 100 fly. but he is the only case. x will also have to put up its best swimmers in the 50 free, meaning schoenling will be swimming that event at gcls. if they do not, moeller will go 1-2-3 in that event with koenig, sanders and schwab. to make up for moeller's domination in 50 free, x is going to have to come out strong in the early events with the 200 free and recuperate as many points as possible in the 500 free, because that is by far moeller's weakest event. x is also going to have to swim either schwartz or lipari in the 100 breast to contend with albers. their best swimmers will swim their best events. all st x can do is hope that their "b" team takes care of business against a majority of lasalle's swimmers and elders swimmers. other than that, this is a duel between x and moeller, moeller coming out on top if the meet were swam today

[thedutchman]

How many places score in the GCLS? If its top 16 then a team will have to have a great deal of depth to overcome X.

[stxbomber999]

what's the point in having st x swimmers competing in off events. mark my words, ST X WILL LOSE if that is the case. not only will their best swimmers swim relays, but their BEST events. it would not surprise me to see both columbus and lawley in the 200 free and lawley in the 100 free and columbus in the 500. x cannot just let krone destroy the competition in freestyle. alex miller may swim an event or two, perhaps off events such as 200 im or 100 fly. but he is the only case. x will also have to put up its best swimmers in the 50 free, meaning schoenling will be swimming that event at gcls. if they do not, moeller will go 1-2-3 in that event with koenig, sanders and schwab. to make up for moeller's domination in 50 free, x is going to have to come out strong in the early events with the 200 free and recuperate as many points as possible in the 500 free, because that is by far moeller's weakest event. x is also going to have to swim either schwartz or lipari in the 100 breast to contend with albers. their best swimmers will swim their best events. all st x can do is hope that their "b" team takes care of business against a majority of lasalle's swimmers and elders swimmers. other than that, this is a duel between x and moeller, moeller coming out on top if the meet were swam today

If Will Lawley and Matt Columbus swim at GCLs they would not do their best events. Will Lawley is not only the fastest free styler in the GCL, but he woul also win the 100 back between the four teams. You said krone would dominate the 200 (just like last year huh), well even if he won, X still scores more points by going 2,3,5,7 which is what they probably would go with their b team. Same with the IM, Joe wins X gets four guys in the top 8. 50 free Moeller could go 1,2,3 if all 3 of them swim it, and X doesnt swim anyone in it. Fly, X could use guys like Columbus or Lipari, just to get a time for an off event. 100 Free Krone wins (maybe, dont forget last year) X gets four guys ahead of moeller's number 2. 500, Lasalle's Ben Schnieder is only only one in the GCL who could stop a St.X 1,2,3,4 (thats only based on the normal guys who swim it, and X's b team, a guy like Joe, or Dan Schneider could come in as well). Back, again i could see this as an event where X has to call on some of their top guys. Breast, Joe wins X has four guys right up there.

Thats how it always is X usually only wins one, maybe two events, while the other school use all of their top guys and they win events, but X still dominates the GCL because they always have four guys in each event that get in the top eight.

Also whenever I refered to last year, you forget that Xs b team that swims in this meet is fully shaved and fully tapered. Thats when you have guys, like Tom Clear and Tom Barnes, who beat guys who are heavily favored like Krone was last year. Moellers guys will not be in their top form for this meet, last year in the 200 Krone went a 1:43 at Classic and a 1:47 ant GCLs, they care more about doing well at Districts and State.

Just remember that year in and year out its X depth that wins it for them.

[xswimmer100]

after moeller's domination in the relays at the classic, i am 100% thouroughly convinced that moeller will win the GCL meet. i bet brower retires in shame after losing this meet

[crusader007]

Hey as much as we would love to see that happen, don't disrespect Brower like that. He is an amazing coach and even a nicer guy. He has a lot of class to him and even if Moeller won GCL, Brower would walk around with his head up, not ashamed of losing that meet.

[Xbomber098]

Hey as much as we would love to see that happen, don't disrespect Brower like that. He is an amazing coach and even a nicer guy. He has a lot of class to him and even if Moeller won GCL, Brower would walk around with his head up, not ashamed of losing that meet.

I agree. Brower is one of the best, if not the best, coaches in Ohio. He is a great guys, and leads X with a lot of class. All year he has spoken praises of Moeller and the other teams in the state. Moeller is a great team, and I am sure they will give X a run for it at GCL's

[stxbomber999]

after moeller's domination in the relays at the classic, i am 100% thouroughly convinced that moeller will win the GCL meet. i bet brower retires in shame after losing this meet

My only question is will moeller come out suited up and ready to go like they were at classic, or will they repeat last year and really not put alot of effort in at GCLs.

I still think X will win because of depth, but I think there will be more appearances from Xs A team than usual. Moe may have won the relays, but X still won the meet (even with a dq in a relay)


Also about your last comment, why do you continue disrespect people oveer and over there is no need for comments like that, it only makes you look bad. After winning 14 state titles in 16 years as a head coach, nothing could make coach Brower retire in shame.

[Amazin']

St. X will win.
1) Moeller is made up of 20 guys, varsity and Jv included in that number.
2) St. X has many many more just varsity swimmers.
3) St. X is the reason why there is a second place trophy. And it is properly named "Constant pursuit of 2nd"

Moeller is built for a big meet set up. Where even St. X can't bring 10 more people to the meet than they can. aka, Classic, Districts, and State, where they can get into a situation where their best 8 go against everyone else's best 8. (8 is an approximation)

[xswimmer100]

My only question is will moeller come out suited up and ready to go like they were at classic, or will they repeat last year and really not put alot of effort in at GCLs.

I still think X will win because of depth, but I think there will be more appearances from Xs A team than usual. Moe may have won the relays, but X still won the meet (even with a dq in a relay)


Also about your last comment, why do you continue disrespect people oveer and over there is no need for comments like that, it only makes you look bad. After winning 14 state titles in 16 years as a head coach, nothing could make coach Brower retire in shame.

sure, i bet losing a GCL meet, that st x has NEVER lost in over 50 YEARS, would make someone feel shameful. why don't you say something substantive for once

[BigSwimFan]

I used to think that I hated St. X, it's coaches and it's swimmers. Part of that was just being jealous. Don't disrespect Brower. He is a very good coach and does a great job with that program.

About the meet: I think X will swim some of their A guys this year just like they did last year to make sure they win again. Once again Moeller doesn't have the depth to win this meet when they aren't enough other teams to take places away from X. LaSalle has some good swimmers, but not enough to make a big difference. Elder is young this year and once again won't make a big enough impact to hurt X. X will win this meet again (but I would love to see Moeller make it close or win).

[BackAgain122]

I Really believe the main question in this forum is what is St.X going to do? Swim there "A team" the whole meet? put them in only on the relays or what? That would be terrible if some of the kids that have been swimming there for 4 years wanting a shot to swim at gcls cant then they would have to swim in the coop, but then again I think that they have so much more depth so they could find a spot to fit them in some where in the meet. Now I really think that it is going to be closer then what alot of people think sure some st. x swimmers will be tapered but i really believe that Moeller's swimmers can keep up with even the one's who are tapered so i think that this is going to be a way closer meet then what people expect! also Moeller has one diver i have no idea how he is but hopefully he can get the team some points. That will be our biggest downfall at gcls is our diving.

[stxbomber999]

sure, i bet losing a GCL meet, that st x has NEVER lost in over 50 YEARS, would make someone feel shameful. why don't you say something substantive for once

Once again 14 state titles, winningest coach in Ohio High school history in any sport, losing GCLs once (which hasnt even happened and most likely wont) doesnt destroy that resume.

And you cant say that to me I have backed everything up I have said with legitimit reasons and facts, the only thing you have ever done is thrown out crap because you don't like someone, or some team, so they are automatically not a good swimmer, or not a good team

[xswimmer100]

I Really believe the main question in this forum is what is St.X going to do? Swim there "A team" the whole meet? put them in only on the relays or what? That would be terrible if some of the kids that have been swimming there for 4 years wanting a shot to swim at gcls cant then they would have to swim in the coop, but then again I think that they have so much more depth so they could find a spot to fit them in some where in the meet. Now I really think that it is going to be closer then what alot of people think sure some st. x swimmers will be tapered but i really believe that Moeller's swimmers can keep up with even the one's who are tapered so i think that this is going to be a way closer meet then what people expect! also Moeller has one diver i have no idea how he is but hopefully he can get the team some points. That will be our biggest downfall at gcls is our diving.

Great point, unlike those from stxbomber999. diving will certainly give x an early edge, but the double points awarded to relays will erase that edge. one very important thing to keep track of at gcl's is the schneiders from lasalle. they are both wild cards that will take away points from moeller and x. as good as they are, they will hurt st x. x is banking on earning mass points in the 500 free. however, both schneider's (if they swim) will take away points from x. dan will certainly take away points from x in any events he swims, most likely the 200 free, 500 free or 100 back. x might as well give up on the relays and focus efforts elsewhere. lipari and schwartz will make likely appearances in the 200 im and 100 breast. X will have to put up lawley, schoenling and their best in the 50 free and 100 free. perhaps, lawley will swim 100 back as well. columbus and miller may make appearances in the 100 fly. x is going to have to strategically place their best swimmers in events to minimize the damage moeller will cause, especially in the 50 free and 100 free. x might as well wave the white flag on the relays. if i were x, i would give 2 spots in each event to their top-tier varsity swimmers and then throw 2 spots in each event to their "B" team swimmers and hope those b teamers have the tapers and meets of their life. i am tired about hearing of depth. people think moeller and they say: albers, koenig, sanders, krone, schwab. people forget their depth in the albers twin, hammerstein, foos, josephson, hamiter, glaser. so i am asking for everyone TO STOP USING THE "DEPTH CARD" AGAINST MOELLER. because they have it and their depth is very good. it may not be comparable to st x. but moeller has at least 11-12 swimmers who are very good and competitive. a st x b team at gcls would never be able to overcome that.

[stxbomber999]

Great point, unlike those from stxbomber999. diving will certainly give x an early edge, but the double points awarded to relays will erase that edge. one very important thing to keep track of at gcl's is the schneiders from lasalle. they are both wild cards that will take away points from moeller and x. as good as they are, they will hurt st x. x is banking on earning mass points in the 500 free. however, both schneider's (if they swim) will take away points from x. dan will certainly take away points from x in any events he swims, most likely the 200 free, 500 free or 100 back. x might as well give up on the relays and focus efforts elsewhere. lipari and schwartz will make likely appearances in the 200 im and 100 breast. X will have to put up lawley, schoenling and their best in the 50 free and 100 free. perhaps, lawley will swim 100 back as well. columbus and miller may make appearances in the 100 fly. x is going to have to strategically place their best swimmers in events to minimize the damage moeller will cause, especially in the 50 free and 100 free. x might as well wave the white flag on the relays. if i were x, i would give 2 spots in each event to their top-tier varsity swimmers and then throw 2 spots in each event to their "B" team swimmers and hope those b teamers have the tapers and meets of their life. i am tired about hearing of depth. people think moeller and they say: albers, koenig, sanders, krone, schwab. people forget their depth in the albers twin, hammerstein, foos, josephson, hamiter, glaser. so i am asking for everyone TO STOP USING THE "DEPTH CARD" AGAINST MOELLER. because they have it and their depth is very good. it may not be comparable to st x. but moeller has at least 11-12 swimmers who are very good and competitive. a st x b team at gcls would never be able to overcome that.

What you mean by unlike me I've baked up everything I ve said with facts, just be cause i disagree with you, you deside i dont make good points. Whatever it your problem, but im still going to comment on your post. I highly doubt both schnider's will swim the 500 so only won would take away points. Lipari and Schwartz may swim, but not in the IM or Breast. Lawley could swim the 50 and the 100 back, that seems reasonable. In a few events Brower may put in the 3,4,5,6 guys for X, taper them and say the top 2 guys get to move on. About the relays there is still no guarantee. Last year X was going to put their State Relays in the meet, but on the day of Brower took them out because he realized he didnt need to put them in. He put 4 guys from the district team not on the relay in the medley, 2 and 2 for the 200 free, and the 400 was all GCL guys, why? Because moeller didn't care about GCLs. Which could happen again this year. If moeller wants to put up their best it could be close, but like last year (Moe added i think 10 seconds from their classic 400 free relay) Moe may just want to focus on Districts and States.


Oh and you said stop using the depth card against Moe because they have 11-12 quality swimmers. Well X has 25-30 quality swimmers, that is X depth.

[xswimmer100]

What you mean by unlike me I've baked up everything I ve said with facts, just be cause i disagree with you, you deside i dont make good points. Whatever it your problem, but im still going to comment on your post. I highly doubt both schnider's will swim the 500 so only won would take away points. Lipari and Schwartz may swim, but not in the IM or Breast. Lawley could swim the 50 and the 100 back, that seems reasonable. In a few events Brower may put in the 3,4,5,6 guys for X, taper them and say the top 2 guys get to move on. About the relays there is still no guarantee. Last year X was going to put their State Relays in the meet, but on the day of Brower took them out because he realized he didnt need to put them in. He put 4 guys from the district team not on the relay in the medley, 2 and 2 for the 200 free, and the 400 was all GCL guys, why? Because moeller didn't care about GCLs. Which could happen again this year. If moeller wants to put up their best it could be close, but like last year (Moe added i think 10 seconds from their classic 400 free relay) Moe may just want to focus on Districts and States.


Oh and you said stop using the depth card against Moe because they have 11-12 quality swimmers. Well X has 25-30 quality swimmers, that is X depth.

you raise, possibly, a good point in moeller's swimmers not caring about gcl's. word on the street is that the guys from moeller who swim for the marlins have gotten kicked out of practice for the week and are probably swimming with the high school. sanders, albers, schwab and koenig all had great SW classic meets in large part due to the success that the marlins have had in training these swimmers. with them out at the marlins, it may have an affect in their swimming, especially since the gcl is fastly approaching. even if this is true, i still think the determination to dethrone x would overcome these boys' lack of focus and determination from previous gcl meets.

[stxbomber999]

what did they do to get kicked out of practice for a whole week?

[xswimmer100]

i'm not sure what the moeller boys did to get kicked out a week. i have heard rumors circulating around the locker room that they were not welcome back at marlins for a week. i am curious as to the reason, maybe someone out there can also confirm what i've heard. i have also heard rumors that st x is being particularly quiet about their gcl lineup. we can all speculate what st x's plan of attack will be to defend gcl's, but from what i have heard is that st x is concerned. once again, i may need some more confirmation. i am only reporting what i heard in the locker room. st x's swimmers have been ordered to keep their mouths shut about the lineup. i am very interested in seeing the psych sheet once it is posted.

[BackAgain122]

there is no dought that moeller has some swimmers beyond krone, Koenig, schawb,albers,sanders. the thing is that st x has many more bodies then moeller does that is why they won the classic.

[crusader007]

We Moeller might have depth, but it has no comparison to Xs legendary depth. The outcome of the meet will depend on who swims what. Obviously X can't just swim B team swimmers, but they most likely won't have to put in everyone in their best events. Should be a good meet.

[Amazin']

We Moeller might have depth, but it has no comparison to Xs legendary depth. The outcome of the meet will depend on who swims what. Obviously X can't just swim B team swimmers, but they most likely won't have to put in everyone in their best events. Should be a good meet.

Mr. Brower will do as he always does... figure out the entire meet before it even happens. Making assumptions on how many points each team will get, and then make his line up from there. He will make sure X wins, even if it is by 10 points

[stxbomber999]

Mr. Brower will do as he always does... figure out the entire meet before it even happens. Making assumptions on how many points each team will get, and then make his line up from there. He will make sure X wins, even if it is by 10 points

Yeah that pretty much sums it up, he'll scire out the meet, figure out what it will take to win, and then just make it happen. He got plenty of guys to choose from, so there are tons of ways to make sure X gets the win.

[crusader007]

And thats what the best coaches out there do which is in this case Brower. I agree totally.

[BigSwimFan]

I heard word at classic that the X line up for GCLs was going to be posted this week. Does anybody have any inside information as to how many of X's "A" guys are swimming in the meet?

[xswimmer100]

I heard word at classic that the X line up for GCLs was going to be posted this week. Does anybody have any inside information as to how many of X's "A" guys are swimming in the meet?

this year, unlike years past, the coaches at x have ordered the swimmers to keep their gcl lineup a secret. what does this mean? well, the coaches and swimmers alike at x are largely worried about losing the meet to moeller. interestingly enough, a couple of moeller guys practice with marlins. so if x wanted to get really tricky, they would "disguise" the lanes in which some swimmers are tapering. granted, most of the A guys in the meet, and there will be a lot of them are probably not resting, but still. x did not want to reveal the lineup probably because they did not want the guys at moeller to know some insider information and help give moeller an advantage. we are going to have to wait for the psych sheet to be posted.

[Amazin']

when does they psych sheet come out?

[stxbomber999]

this year, unlike years past, the coaches at x have ordered the swimmers to keep their gcl lineup a secret. what does this mean? well, the coaches and swimmers alike at x are largely worried about losing the meet to moeller. interestingly enough, a couple of moeller guys practice with marlins. so if x wanted to get really tricky, they would "disguise" the lanes in which some swimmers are tapering. granted, most of the A guys in the meet, and there will be a lot of them are probably not resting, but still. x did not want to reveal the lineup probably because they did not want the guys at moeller to know some insider information and help give moeller an advantage. we are going to have to wait for the psych sheet to be posted.

you are way over thinking this. disguising lanes of tthe guys tapering? dont you think thats a little much? and i'm pretty sure the moeller guys dont care that much about what X is doing,they just need to focus on themselves

[xswimmer100]

you are way over thinking this. disguising lanes of tthe guys tapering? dont you think thats a little much? and i'm pretty sure the moeller guys dont care that much about what X is doing,they just need to focus on themselves

actually, i am not the one overthinking this. does anyone ever recall st x being so secretive about their lineup. calling people up individually to the offices of the coaches and being told to not tell anybody what the plan is at gcl is pretty drastic. if x is willing to take that step, who knows what other steps they would be willing to take to keep their gcl plan such a secret

[Amazin']

actually, i am not the one overthinking this. does anyone ever recall st x being so secretive about their lineup. calling people up individually to the offices of the coaches and being told to not tell anybody what the plan is at gcl is pretty drastic. if x is willing to take that step, who knows what other steps they would be willing to take to keep their gcl plan such a secret

yep.. interesting point.. backed up with fact.. good job

[stxbomber999]

good point, its just that i personally don't think its a big deal if moe sees who is tapering and who is not because the guys that would be tapering for GCLs arent the real guys they have to worry about. Guys on Xs "A" team that may end up swimming in GCLs wont be tapering so there will be no way of telling if they're swimming until the psyche sheet is posted. So just because people may know who is tapering, they still wont know who will swim what.

Also i'm just going to say that it really dosnt matter who X has swimming, because i dont think moellers lineup is going to change to much. Really moe needs to be secretive about their lineup so X cant base their lineup off of that. Moe just doesnt have as many options as X, so even if Moe knows what their going up against, or not, alls they can do is focus on their events.

And a final comment, how do you know Xs coaches have never told the guys to not talk about the line up? This is the first year in a long time people outside of X really care about the line up, so when you ask and they say they cant tell you, how do you know that this is just this year? Also about taking people out of the water indiviually, they do that alot. They talk to guys about why they are swimming, why theyre not ,why theyre on a relay, why there in an event, and just about everything, pretty much everyone that is on the bubble about making the team gets talked to.

[xbomberd08]

Also i'm just going to say that it really dosnt matter who X has swimming, because i dont think moellers lineup is going to change to much. Really moe needs to be secretive about their lineup so X cant base their lineup off of that. Moe just doesnt have as many options as X, so even if Moe knows what their going up against, or not, alls they can do is focus on their events.

And a final comment, how do you know Xs coaches have never told the guys to not talk about the line up? This is the first year in a long time people outside of X really care about the line up, so when you ask and they say they cant tell you, how do you know that this is just this year? Also about taking people out of the water indiviually, they do that alot. They talk to guys about why they are swimming, why theyre not ,why theyre on a relay, why there in an event, and just about everything, pretty much everyone that is on the bubble about making the team gets talked to.

I agree, Moeller isn't going to change their lineup much even if they know who X is swimming...there may be very few but in general their guys are going to swim their best events.

As for keeping it a secret, that's always been the case for X. Last year the definite relays weren't revealed until the day of the meet. Also, the coaches always talk to swimmers individually about their events for various reasons. Like stxbomber999 said, maybe it's just the outside interest that is increasing the awareness of the relative secrecy X has in their lineup.

[BackAgain122]

I really think that moeller is going to be more concentrated on winning districts this year then the gcl

[stxbomber999]

I agree with that. I dont think moe will go nearly as fast as they did at classic, becuase they dont care as much. Moe has bigger meets to focus on, like Districts and State

[thedutchman]

I really think that moeller is going to be more concentrated on winning districts this year then the gcl

I think that Moeller has a strong team. So does Centerville. But I just can't come up with a line up from Moeller that wins the district. Can someone show me the line up that Moeller swims that will top St.X?

[BigSwimFan]

It is pretty difficult right now to come up with a line up for any team to win districts. There are too many other individuals from other teams that will affect the outcome of the meet. One example of this is in the 50 Free: Moeller will hope that Sanders wins this event, but he could end up getting 3rd to the Oak Hills duo. There are too many outside variables that make it difficult to who will win out of the top teams.

[thedutchman]

It is pretty difficult right now to come up with a line up for any team to win districts.

Pretty difficult for any team except X. The reality is that for Moeller or Centerville to dethrone X one of them has to swim a perfect meet...meaning they swim exceptionally, other none X swimmers swim exceptionally taking points only from X swimmers and X swimmers swim poorly. That sounds to me like X is the prohibitive favorite to win the district...for what...the 40th or 50th time in a row?

[Amazin']

Pretty difficult for any team except X. The reality is that for Moeller or Centerville to dethrone X one of them has to swim a perfect meet...meaning they swim exceptionally, other none X swimmers swim exceptionally taking points only from X swimmers and X swimmers swim poorly. That sounds to me like X is the prohibitive favorite to win the district...for what...the 40th or 50th time in a row?

thats why the all of SW Ohio will be rooting for Centerville and Moeller.. they just want to see us go down for once. Just that one time.

[xbomberd08]

thats why the all of SW Ohio will be rooting for Centerville and Moeller.. they just want to see us go down for once. Just that one time.

That's nothing new, and if anything it's motivation for St. X to win.

[xswimmer100]

with it being so close to gcl's, i am very surprised that the psych sheet has not been posted. with the meet being held at keating, it would not surprise me if there was some foul play in getting the entries registered and assembling a psych sheet

[Paine]

with it being so close to gcl's, i am very surprised that the psych sheet has not been posted. with the meet being held at keating, it would not surprise me if there was some foul play in getting the entries registered and assembling a psych sheet

Foul play? I'm not really sure what you mean by that or how one commits said foul by delaying the posting of a psych sheet. I just attributed the tardiness of the psych sheet to the weather. It says the entries were supposed to be sent to Judy Dusing on Monday. So yes, the meet is being held at Keating, but St. Xavier is not hosting it.

[xswimmer100]

let me think. the last time i checked st xavier high school swam everyday and practiced at keating natatorium. i know they do not host the meet, but by the very fact that the coaches offices are right across from judy dusing's office can lead itself to foul play. and the weather in cincinnati has nothing to do with it. entries are sent electronically - get up with the times.

[stxbomber999]

what are trying to say? do you honestly think X has tried to do anything under handed? Look I know you hate X for whatever reason, but I cant believe you would actually suggest they would cheat to win the meet. That is a terrible shot at Xs reputation, aswell as Coach Brower's, why would you say something like that? It's been two days since the entries were due, have a little patience. And what do think X could possibly do, sneak in and look at Mrs. Dusing's computer, and mess with it?

[Amazin']

ha. You would have to be COMPLETELY messed up in the head to not know what kind of line up Moeller is going to throw out there

[xswimmer100]

last year, x made the relays on the day of the meet. yes, that is cheating. the coaches waited to see what moeller would put up and then rearranged the relays so that they would win them. it would not surprise me if st x would try to get a sneak on the entire gcl lineup, seeing that they are in a lot more trouble this year than last year. st x has never lost this meet in its history; they would be willing to do anything to make sure it stays that way - morals and ethics aside

[CinciSportsNut]

The fact that you're even talking about Moeller having a chance to win the GCL or District says alot!

[Paine]

let me think. the last time i checked st xavier high school swam everyday and practiced at keating natatorium. i know they do not host the meet, but by the very fact that the coaches offices are right across from judy dusing's office can lead itself to foul play. and the weather in cincinnati has nothing to do with it. entries are sent electronically - get up with the times.

Mr. xswimmer100, I do not think you realize the grave charge you are throwing out so flippantly. Cheating is hardly a petty crime but a serious broach of athletic integrity. The fact that you are basing possible cheating off the mere fact that St. Xavier happens to practice at the same facility where the entries are sent is simply appaling. You symbolize the deterioration of Western Civilization as we know it. You base all your posts on nothing but mindless speculation and throw out egregious charges based solely upon your own whims. Whether you meant to or not, you said that the St. Xavier coaches were hacking into Judy Dusing's computer to steal entries to gain some kind of edge because they happen to be across the hall. Every day, America is filled with fools like you who just say whatever pops into your head without any meaningful thinking.

First, I merely suggested that the weather might have played a role in the psych sheet delay because I thought that Judy might have decided to take these last couple days off and left the GCL entries for another time.

Second, you are in error when you state that the St. Xavier coaches "rearranged the relays so that they would win them." I assume you mean the way St. Xavier used their A relays for the first 2 relay events and then a B relay for the 400 free. It is clearly stated in the GCL meet information on swimmeet.com that "You may enter as many as 4 alternates for each relay event." Thus, the coaches entered the A relay and then also a B relay using the alternate spots.

Third, St. Xavier has lost this meet several times before as recently as 1949. You can check this out here: http://gclsports.com/statsPage.aspx?satc=197&div=8.

Fourth, you say that the St. Xavier coaches will do anything to win GCL. How in God' name do you know that? Are you a coach? Or, are you once again just going off mindless speculation?

In the future, I think you should do a little research before you put your foot in your mouth. A simple Internet search turned up the information that you lacked in your previous posts. Maybe you should find a different forum where you can post all your random whims and not be out of place.

[thedutchman]

last year, x made the relays on the day of the meet. yes, that is cheating. the coaches waited to see what moeller would put up and then rearranged the relays so that they would win them. it would not surprise me if st x would try to get a sneak on the entire gcl lineup, seeing that they are in a lot more trouble this year than last year. st x has never lost this meet in its history; they would be willing to do anything to make sure it stays that way - morals and ethics aside

xswimmer:

Is there a rule that says the relay lineup must be made in advance? If so then changing it on the day of the meet is wrong. But, I suspect no such rule exists. It seems to me that you're a bit paranoid about this. You see a conspiracy because the psych sheets aren't posted? Are you the one who also thinks that X is hiding who their tapering?

I can only comment from my observations of the X team, fans and coaches over the years. My impression is that when it comes to ethics and morals Jim Brower is at the top of the heap. X historically has had a first class program. Watching them last year finish second in the state meet, I saw coaches, team members and supporters exhibit nothing but class and dignity in dealing what certainly was a bitter disappointment for a very talented team. This team that won the National Dual Meet Title last year-meaning that it was as, or more, talented than many past championship teams for X-displayed tremendous sportsmanship toward St. Charles during the meet and as it concluded. I watch their 400 relay (knowing they had lost the meet) embrace and congratulate the SC relay BEFORE they swam the last event. And after the swim each of those boys along with Brower went directly over and congratulated the SC team. No one told them to do that.

I don't know, but losing that meet probably was a greater disappointment than losing the league meet would be. While I don't mean to minimize the significance that a loss of the league meet would mean, your theories seem overblown. Frankly, your suggestion that they cheated last year and will again this year is in my view insulting and I suspect totally unfounded.

[stxbomber999]

last year, x made the relays on the day of the meet. yes, that is cheating. the coaches waited to see what moeller would put up and then rearranged the relays so that they would win them. it would not surprise me if st x would try to get a sneak on the entire gcl lineup, seeing that they are in a lot more trouble this year than last year. st x has never lost this meet in its history; they would be willing to do anything to make sure it stays that way - morals and ethics aside

Well since plenty of other people have already told you why changing the relays is not illegal, I dont need to go into that, but I will say this, on the day of the GCL meet last year X did change their relays, they made them worse.

This is the orginal line up of the relays

200M
Barbiere
Schwratz
Smit
Springer

200F
Barnes
Ransenberg
Galleger
Springer

400F
Barnes
Clear
Ransenberg
Barbiere

now this what they changed them to

200M
Dressman
Albert
Columbus
Galleger

200F
Barnes
Schoenling
Heinsen
Smit

400F
Galleger
Clear
Conway
Barnes

so once again your comment on how X changed their relays based on Moeller's so they would win, is completly false and is completely groundless, just like the idea of X cheating to win the meet

[xswimmer100]

Mr. xswimmer100, I do not think you realize the grave charge you are throwing out so flippantly. Cheating is hardly a petty crime but a serious broach of athletic integrity. The fact that you are basing possible cheating off the mere fact that St. Xavier happens to practice at the same facility where the entries are sent is simply appaling. You symbolize the deterioration of Western Civilization as we know it. You base all your posts on nothing but mindless speculation and throw out egregious charges based solely upon your own whims. Whether you meant to or not, you said that the St. Xavier coaches were hacking into Judy Dusing's computer to steal entries to gain some kind of edge because they happen to be across the hall. Every day, America is filled with fools like you who just say whatever pops into your head without any meaningful thinking.

First, I merely suggested that the weather might have played a role in the psych sheet delay because I thought that Judy might have decided to take these last couple days off and left the GCL entries for another time.

Second, you are in error when you state that the St. Xavier coaches "rearranged the relays so that they would win them." I assume you mean the way St. Xavier used their A relays for the first 2 relay events and then a B relay for the 400 free. It is clearly stated in the GCL meet information on swimmeet.com that "You may enter as many as 4 alternates for each relay event." Thus, the coaches entered the A relay and then also a B relay using the alternate spots.

Third, St. Xavier has lost this meet several times before as recently as 1949. You can check this out here: http://gclsports.com/statsPage.aspx?satc=197&div=8.

Fourth, you say that the St. Xavier coaches will do anything to win GCL. How in God' name do you know that? Are you a coach? Or, are you once again just going off mindless speculation?

In the future, I think you should do a little research before you put your foot in your mouth. A simple Internet search turned up the information that you lacked in your previous posts. Maybe you should find a different forum where you can post all your random whims and not be out of place.


Let me first say, that this post is entirely unacceptable. You have debased my character off of my first right amendment to freedom of speech.

First, Judy Dusing has not taken these last couple of days off. Keating Natatorium needs her to run the day to day operations such as chemicals and maintenance. That is an everyday task; she has at least made it to work the last couple of days.

Second, YES, the x coaches did rearrange the relays. There is a reason for having 4 alternates - so you can rearrange them.

Third, St X has not lost this meet in a very long time. IF YOU WERE AS CAREFUL ABOUT REVIEWING YOUR FACTS, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN THAT THE LAST TIME ST X LOST THIS MEET WAS ACTUALLY IN 1954, NOT 1949. So if you are going to throw back facts at me, then I am going to throse the actual CORRECT facts back at you.

Fourth, St X. will do anything to win this meet, one that they have not lost in over 50 years. When Mr. Brower was hired by the athletic director in 1988, the athletic director specifically gave him an order that he could never lose the GCL meet. This, I know for fact, because he has personally told me this story.

[xswimmer100]

Well since plenty of other people have already told you why changing the relays is not illegal, I dont need to go into that, but I will say this, on the day of the GCL meet last year X did change their relays, they made them worse.

This is the orginal line up of the relays

200M
Barbiere
Schwratz
Smit
Springer

200F
Barnes
Ransenberg
Galleger
Springer

400F
Barnes
Clear
Ransenberg
Barbiere

now this what they changed them to

200M
Dressman
Albert
Columbus
Galleger

200F
Barnes
Schoenling
Heinsen
Smit

400F
Galleger
Clear
Conway
Barnes

so once again your comment on how X changed their relays based on Moeller's so they would win, is completly false and is completely groundless, just like the idea of X cheating to win the meet


This is a very good post, I will give you that credit. While it may appear that these relays were changed on the day of the GCL meet last year, they were not. These relays all have to be into the office before the meet starts. While they were originally entered as you have stated above, they were actually changed a couple of days beforehand and then the coaches submitted new relay cards on the day of the meet. The original entries were entered on behalf of x because they assumed that moeller was probably going to "throw down" on the relays. Once the psych sheet was posted, st x had a chance to study the relays and carefully compile winning relays without expending all of their absolutely top swimmers. These relays were made in thought and planned days before they were actually changed on the day of the swim meet

[thedutchman]

last year, x made the relays on the day of the meet. yes, that is cheating. the coaches waited to see what moeller would put up and then rearranged the relays so that they would win them. it would not surprise me if st x would try to get a sneak on the entire gcl lineup, seeing that they are in a lot more trouble this year than last year. st x has never lost this meet in its history; they would be willing to do anything to make sure it stays that way - morals and ethics aside

This is a very good post, I will give you that credit. While it may appear that these relays were changed on the day of the GCL meet last year, they were not. These relays all have to be into the office before the meet starts. While they were originally entered as you have stated above, they were actually changed a couple of days beforehand and then the coaches submitted new relay cards on the day of the meet. The original entries were entered on behalf of x because they assumed that moeller was probably going to "throw down" on the relays. Once the psych sheet was posted, st x had a chance to study the relays and carefully compile winning relays without expending all of their absolutely top swimmers. These relays were made in thought and planned days before they were actually changed on the day of the swim meet

So I'm confused. Once X saw that they didn't need fast relays they changed them to go slower...how is that cheating?

[xswim09]

Third, St X has not lost this meet in a very long time. IF YOU WERE AS CAREFUL ABOUT REVIEWING YOUR FACTS, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN THAT THE LAST TIME ST X LOST THIS MEET WAS ACTUALLY IN 1954, NOT 1949. So if you are going to throw back facts at me, then I am going to throse the actual CORRECT facts back at you.



(first i have to say that i agree with thedutchman)

I have to congratulate you xswimmer100 for finally looking at a reliable source for your rebuttal. However, after reading some of your posts I have to ask, Why do you hate St. Xavier, and especially their swimming program? I mean i know some schools or some people hate them cause they win meets but actually saying that their coach is going to cheat to win a meet?

And you say that coach Brower even told you the story about how the athletics director told him that winning gcl's was the first priority. Couldn't you see how classy of a man coach Brower was? Do you understand that he tells his guys that class is a number one priority while visiting other pools, and just in general, life?

Oh and you spelled "throse" wrong, its throw...

[Paine]

Let me first say, that this post is entirely unacceptable. You have debased my character off of my first right amendment to freedom of speech.

First, Judy Dusing has not taken these last couple of days off. Keating Natatorium needs her to run the day to day operations such as chemicals and maintenance. That is an everyday task; she has at least made it to work the last couple of days.

Second, YES, the x coaches did rearrange the relays. There is a reason for having 4 alternates - so you can rearrange them.

Third, St X has not lost this meet in a very long time. IF YOU WERE AS CAREFUL ABOUT REVIEWING YOUR FACTS, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN THAT THE LAST TIME ST X LOST THIS MEET WAS ACTUALLY IN 1954, NOT 1949. So if you are going to throw back facts at me, then I am going to throse the actual CORRECT facts back at you.

Fourth, St X. will do anything to win this meet, one that they have not lost in over 50 years. When Mr. Brower was hired by the athletic director in 1988, the athletic director specifically gave him an order that he could never lose the GCL meet. This, I know for fact, because he has personally told me this story.

Finally, I have no choice but to conclude that you are deeply resentful of me for some wrong in your past. Did I hurt your feelings? That's sure what it seems like. You are consumed with bitterness and you lash out constantly in the form of unverified speculation on my behalf. In the future, I think you should do a little research before you put your foot in your mouth. Since you seem to like attacking my character so much, maybe you should find a different forum where you can post all your random whims and not be out of place. Like gossiprocks.com. I hope this post has been an educational experience for you and I wish you the best in your journey to elimimate your self-destructing bitterness towards me.

I'm deeply sorry about getting the wrong year for the last GCL meet that St. Xavier did not win. Thankfully, you fully analyzed the site I provided and gave the whole world the correct year. For that, I am eternally grateful. It is even better that you, such a paragon of dignified, factual, and respectful, postings should discover my error. Clearly, I never get my facts right, but you always do, especially regarding St. Xavier's "secret taper" and the coaches hacking into Judy Dusing's computer. At least yappi has you to set the record straight.

I don't quite understand what you mean by "debased character" off your First Amendment right to free speech. In fact, I did not consult the First Amendment when I debased your character. All I needed to look at was your numerous posts that drip with acidity. Does the First Amendment call you a morally reprehensible human being as well? Anyway, the First Amendment only protects your speech from the Federal government, and the State government by way of the 14th Amendment's Due Process Clause. It does not apply to anything else.

Maybe I don't give Judy Dusing enough credit, but I don't think that even she would drive through a level 3 snow emergency to pour some chemicals in a pool. That would mean that realistically, she wouldn't have made it to the pool until last evening. I doubt that she went last night so that would make the earliest she could come in, today (Thursday).

If you know Mr. Brower personally enough that he tells you that he can never lose the GCL meet, why do you suggest that he will "retire in shame" after losing it. Do you hate him as well? I don't doubt what he told you, but I still do not think that he will do "whatever it takes." I mean, realistically, even if he loses his job for losing the meet, what's the loss? A lousy paying job that commands a ridiculous number of hours. Life still goes on xswimmer100, even through our darkest hours. It seems that you have become quite wrapped up in the GCL meet. Are lives endangered? I hope you find the inner peace that your soul so desperately needs, and are able to engage in intelligent, thoughtful dialogue once again. I wish you the best.

[xswimmer100]

because paine and xswim09 have posted such few messages on yappi, i am willing to take a guess that they swim, currently, for st x. someone on their team probably raised a big fart, mentioned my posts and now they have swimmers joining yappi, recently, so that they could gather up and attack me. you guys are so very sad - if you actually swim for st x (which is only a guess on my behalf) that you care what outside observers are saying.

NOW, LETS FINALLY STOP YOUR IMMATURE BICKERING, NAMECALLING AND INSULTS (WHICH FOR SOMEONE UNKNOWN REASON YOU STARTED AGAINST ME). AND GET BACK ON TOPIC OF THE THREAD WHICH IS CALLED Gcl 2009.

because you seem to hate me so much, why don't you start a new thread that continues to ruthlessly and unfairly attack me. i am simply offering my opinions on a swim meet. never once have i criticized another username who has posted. for you guys to do so is hypocritical. and for that, i feel very sorry for you.

[stxbomber999]

because paine and xswim09 have posted such few messages on yappi, i am willing to take a guess that they swim, currently, for st x. someone on their team probably raised a big fart, mentioned my posts and now they have swimmers joining yappi, recently, so that they could gather up and attack me. you guys are so very sad - if you actually swim for st x (which is only a guess on my behalf) that you care what outside observers are saying.

NOW, LETS FINALLY STOP YOUR IMMATURE BICKERING, NAMECALLING AND INSULTS (WHICH FOR SOMEONE UNKNOWN REASON YOU STARTED AGAINST ME). AND GET BACK ON TOPIC OF THE THREAD WHICH IS CALLED Gcl 2009.

because you seem to hate me so much, why don't you start a new thread that continues to ruthlessly and unfairly attack me. i am simply offering my opinions on a swim meet. never once have i criticized another username who has posted. for you guys to do so is hypocritical. and for that, i feel very sorry for you.

I still dont think you realize the gravity of your comment from a while back. You accused Jim Brower, one of the greatest men to grace high school swimming in Ohio (not just at X but all over the city, and state), of cheating to win a meet. You are right in saying that you have not criticized anyone on this forum, but taking a shot at Coach Brower is far worse. And dont say you didnt mean anything about Brower, only the someone on X maybe doing something, because that is false. Brower controls everything about that program, and a shot at X is a shot at him. The only reason why people are attacking you is because of what you said about Brower.

[xswimmer100]

I still dont think you realize the gravity of your comment from a while back. You accused Jim Brower, one of the greatest men to grace high school swimming in Ohio (not just at X but all over the city, and state), of cheating to win a meet. You are right in saying that you have not criticized anyone on this forum, but taking a shot at Coach Brower is far worse. And dont say you didnt mean anything about Brower, only the someone on X maybe doing something, because that is false. Brower controls everything about that program, and a shot at X is a shot at him. The only reason why people are attacking you is because of what you said about Brower.

i realize the gravity of my comments, but if you also go back to them, i never specifically mentioned Jim Brower. yes, he is a good man and i am good friends with him. but the program is not all rainbows and unicorns either. now, once again, lets resume our conversation on gcl's.

[xswim09]

xswimmer100,

i just have to say that your not really talking about the meet, almost every post that you have stated/wrote has been a shot on st.x, which in your generalization they are doing something against the rules. You bring nothing to this forum but insults on St. X. I just don't like seeing someone calling a respectable man/coach a cheat.


But most of all, PLEASE STOP CONTRADICTING YOURSELF!
It's really annoying.

[xswimmer100]

lets see - "almost every post that you have stated/wrote has been a shot on st x."

not really. just because i believe that st x may lose gcl, district and state does not mean that i am taking shots at st x. and i have always talked about the meet, if you review my posts all of them refer to the meet and events that surround the meet, such as the psych sheet and such.

and x swim09, please leave me alone.

now, once again, like i have stated in all my posts, lets talk about the gcl meet; that was the ORIGINAL INTENTION of the thread. so xswim09, when you bash me, you go against the original intention of the thread. i have brought many thoughts to this forum. insults? if i may guess, you are a current swimmer of st x who has probably heard about these threads from current teammates and now you all have created some sort of "club" to bash me. Now, lets get on with this thread.

Gcl is next wednesday. b/c of the cancellation of senior night tonight, brower is coming up with a plan to honor the seniors (as well as the seniors of fellow gcl competitors). but, i digress.

It is my belief that the kids who are specifically tapering for gcl's may be a little hurt by having practices cancelled (although x did have practices today, i am willing to bet they cancelled tuesday and am not sure about wednesday). if x wants to win, these kids will make the most difference in the meet. it is not the battle for first, second or third that will decide the meet; it is the battles for 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 that will decide the meet. x needs those taper kids, who can't keep up with moeller's "big guns" to move up at least a couple of places to score some more points.

on the other hand, this is a good thing for x. for the "a" team swimmers, this gives them some time to rest. "a" team kids such as lawley, schwartz and columbus all seemed tired at the classic; i also include the likes conway, schoenling, drake, louis and other supporting "a" team players. this gives them a few relaxing days to rest. b/c x will have to swim some "a" team swimmers, this is actually good for x because those kids may feel a bit "fresh" themselves.

but for the sake of irony, this also helps moeller's top guns get rested - but based off performances in the SW classic, these guys were not tired or worn out to the extent of x's swimmers.

in summary, the rest will help x's best guys more than moeller's best guys. the wild card: x's kids who are solely tapering for gcl's and moeller's depth (foos, josephson, d. albers, hammerstein). will these wild cards show up? that is the question.

[Paine]

Well, xswimmer100, I agree. It's time to move on. I can tell by your desire to move on to discussion of the meet that you seem to regret what has transpired in the previous posts. While I disagree that none of your posts have been of an attacking nature (In fact on this thread you took a shot at stxbomber999's posts), it is also untrue that they all have been combative. I don't go to X, but I do know Mr. Brower so to see you taking shots at a good man like him got under my skin. I look at these forums kind of regularly, but you questioning his integrity (whether you said st. x coaches or brower is irrelevant) actually made me register. You might want to look at your posts more and see how other people might take them. I can see that you really want to actually talk about the meet and truly move on. I accept that as an offering of the olive branch so we can end this Internet war.

[xswim09]

After that last post i have to say im sorry for my "bashing", its just that when you call someone's coach a cheat, it can anger some people, even an acquaintance...

I'm sorry...

Great post and very good points - i agree that is what the meet will come down to, just like every meet, how well guys will do or throw down.

[xbomberd08]

xswimmer100 needs to get some class and stop posting on this forum unless you have something worth reading. If you had some actual evidence or even circumstantial evidence you would be worth listening to, but you are completely making these accusations up. If Coach Brower were really worried about winning, he'd just put his best swimmers in their best events and be done with it, he wouldn't stoop down and try and cheat so he could arrange his lineup compared to Moeller.

[xswimmer100]

psych up at swimmeet.com

[xswimmer100]

xswimmer100 needs to get some class and stop posting on this forum unless you have something worth reading. If you had some actual evidence or even circumstantial evidence you would be worth listening to, but you are completely making these accusations up. If Coach Brower were really worried about winning, he'd just put his best swimmers in their best events and be done with it, he wouldn't stoop down and try and cheat so he could arrange his lineup compared to Moeller.

we've been through this, so please shut up and lets talk about swimming. i must say at first look at the psych sheet, i am surprised that x decided to load up the 100 back

[BackAgain122]

we've been through this, so please shut up and lets talk about swimming. i must say at first look at the psych sheet, i am surprised that x decided to load up the 100 back

yea that is no surprise to me that is one of moeller's weakest events they needed to get as many points as they can get and that is were they are going to get them is in the 100 back. I had a feeling that they would stack per say the 100 back!

[xbomberd08]

we've been through this, so please shut up and lets talk about swimming. i must say at first look at the psych sheet, i am surprised that x decided to load up the 100 back


Take a chill pill, I'm just using my First Amendment right like you. I'm glad I got to you though, that was my goal :)

[stxbomber999]

If Will Lawley and Matt Columbus swim at GCLs they would not do their best events. Will Lawley is not only the fastest free styler in the GCL, but he woul also win the 100 back between the four teams. You said krone would dominate the 200 (just like last year huh), well even if he won, X still scores more points by going 2,3,5,7 which is what they probably would go with their b team. Same with the IM, Joe wins X gets four guys in the top 8. 50 free Moeller could go 1,2,3 if all 3 of them swim it, and X doesnt swim anyone in it. Fly, X could use guys like Columbus or Lipari, just to get a time for an off event. 100 Free Krone wins (maybe, dont forget last year) X gets four guys ahead of moeller's number 2. 500, Lasalle's Ben Schnieder is only only one in the GCL who could stop a St.X 1,2,3,4 (thats only based on the normal guys who swim it, and X's b team, a guy like Joe, or Dan Schneider could come in as well). Back, again i could see this as an event where X has to call on some of their top guys. Breast, Joe wins X has four guys right up there.

Thats how it always is X usually only wins one, maybe two events, while the other school use all of their top guys and they win events, but X still dominates the GCL because they always have four guys in each event that get in the top eight.

Also whenever I refered to last year, you forget that Xs b team that swims in this meet is fully shaved and fully tapered. Thats when you have guys, like Tom Clear and Tom Barnes, who beat guys who are heavily favored like Krone was last year. Moellers guys will not be in their top form for this meet, last year in the 200 Krone went a 1:43 at Classic and a 1:47 ant GCLs, they care more about doing well at Districts and State.

Just remember that year in and year out its X depth that wins it for them.


I dont mean to sound cocky, but how right was I. I practically called Xs line up. Just like i said X pulled some A guys to help with fly and back, Lawley is in the 50 and 100 back (I called that), Columbus, Lipari and Schwartz are not in their best events (xswimmer100 predicted they would be). And most importantly Xs depth will win this for them. Moe has alot of the 1 guys, but X has four guys in the top 8 in each event, and alot of them will be fully tapered and will move up.

[Amazin']

if you were to score out the meet from the psych sheet, St. X will win by about 50 or more while including diving.

x100, sorry for your wish, maybe in 15 years you'll get your wish

[xbomberd08]

I dont mean to sound cocky, but how right was I. I practically called Xs line up. Just like i said X pulled some A guys to help with fly and back, Lawley is in the 50 and 100 back (I called that), Columbus, Lipari and Schwartz are not in their best events (xswimmer100 predicted they would be). And most importantly Xs depth will win this for them. Moe has alot of the 1 guys, but X has four guys in the top 8 in each event, and alot of them will be fully tapered and will move up.

Nice :thumb:

[stxbomber43]

i have never seen so much bickering on a yappi thread ... figures it would be st. x swimmers :blush:

anyways, i would be amazed if coach brower didnt place his best swimmers in their best events .... It is one thing to lose the state tournament... it is an even bigger thing to lose the gcl tournament, there should be no reason x loses gcl in swimming (but then again, it would be fitting for the '09 class to lose another gcl title)

[stxbomber999]

i have never seen so much bickering on a yappi thread ... figures it would be st. x swimmers :blush:

anyways, i would be amazed if coach brower didnt place his best swimmers in their best events .... It is one thing to lose the state tournament... it is an even bigger thing to lose the gcl tournament, there should be no reason x loses gcl in swimming (but then again, it would be fitting for the '09 class to lose another gcl title)

well he didnt. None of X top guys are in their best events, if they are swimming at all.

I'm guessing that last comment was a shot at the football team, right?

[Paine]

i have never seen so much bickering on a yappi thread ... figures it would be st. x swimmers :blush:

anyways, i would be amazed if coach brower didnt place his best swimmers in their best events .... It is one thing to lose the state tournament... it is an even bigger thing to lose the gcl tournament, there should be no reason x loses gcl in swimming (but then again, it would be fitting for the '09 class to lose another gcl title)

What do you mean "there should be no reason x loses gcl in swimming."? If they lose this year, its because moeller beat them fair and square. On paper, X should come out on top...but that's why we play the game dude.

[ImPartial]

It is interesting to see who does NOT show up in the psych for StX: R Lawley, Gores, Baumgartner, Schoenling, Bierman, Dennis. Does that mean they have secured a spot on the sectional lineup and will focus on hard practices this week and next? What does that imply for some of the freestyle lineup at sectional:

50: Louis, Schoenling, Bierman, Dennis
100: Lawley, Louis, Schoenling, ?
200: Columbus, Miller, Lawley, Gores?
500: Miller, Columbus, R Lawley, Gores?

[BigSwimFan]

As a lot of people predicted on here, X pulled up just enough of their top guys to swim some events that would help them/hurt Moe enough to help them win the meet. The only thing that will be interesting to see is who swims on what relays. I am curious to see how Moeller spreads out their top guys as they should be able to win all 3 relays depending on who X has swim what.

Should be a close meet and these snow days will affect everybody in different ways.

[polar_purple]

Moderator's Warning: I have now received multiple complaints about this thread having personal attacks on it. If they do not stop NOW, I will be forced to close this thread.

Please knock off the personal attacks. Thank you.

[Number1Spot77]

GCLs IS TOMORROW!!! AH AH AH AH!!! CAN YOU FEEL THE PRESSURE? AH ITS GOING TO BE SO INTENSE!!! AH!

[BigSwimFan]

I heard that X got 1st, 2nd and 4th in diving. Can anyone confirm that? If that is true than I would say there goes any chance Moeller had to win, unless all of X's relays get DQ'd.

Still should be some fun races to watch.

[Number1Spot77]

I think the two best races are the 200 IM and 100 breast and maybe the 200 free....looks like x really stacked those! hah

[Amazin']

I heard that X got 1st, 2nd and 4th in diving. Can anyone confirm that? If that is true than I would say there goes any chance Moeller had to win, unless all of X's relays get DQ'd.

Still should be some fun races to watch.

If Moeller even had a prayer, they would have had to have all the relays get dq'd even without diving. Now they need 3 or 4 swimmers get sick, and not show up (with no replacements)

I think the two best races are the 200 IM and 100 breast and maybe the 200 free....looks like x really stacked those! hah

Ha. Albers is really intimidating. i won't joke with ya.

[fast4you]

Everyone who thinks Moeller has a shot is crazy. With only four teams in the GCL X's depth will always win against a smaller more talented team like this years moeller.

[xbomberd08]

I heard that X got 1st, 2nd and 4th in diving. Can anyone confirm that?

Anyone know???

[Xbomber098]

The rumors are correct. St. X went 1, 2, 4, and 6 in diving.

[RenaissanceBomber]

I heard that coach brower made it snow last night in an attempt to delay the meet. He then used the laser built into his watch to melt the lock to Mrs. Dusing's office, where he could successfully take pictures of the meet entries with his spy camera. But then he heard Mrs. Dusing coming, so he removed a panel in the cieling and escaped just in time to avoid discovery. He was later seen speeding away from St. Xavier in his silver Aston Martin.

[BigSwimFan]

I know quite a few schools were closed today including St. X. Is the meet going to go on tonight or are they pushing the date back?

As soon as somebody knows for sure please post.

[xbomberd08]

It's still on last I heard, I'm about 90% sure on that.

[Paine]

It happened

[Xbomber098]

it happened and it was beautiful

[xbomberd08]

Any details?

[stxbomber43]

x won by 140 points

[BackAgain122]

Were there Any swims during GCL's that stood out to anyone?

[stxbomber999]

so much for Moe pulling the upset, still no results on swimmeet.com, does anyone know of any good swims

[xswimmer100]

Details
Licensed to Cincinnati Marlins / St Xavier
HY-TEK's Meet Manager 2/4/2009 07:55 PM
2009 GCL/GGCL Division I
Results

Event 2 Boys 200 Yard Medley Relay GCL/GGCL South
================================================== =============================
GCL GGCL: # 1:38.37 Moeller, Moeller
School Finals Points
================================================== =============================
1 Cincinnati Saint Xavier-OH 'A' 1:37.83# 32
1) Columbus, Matt J SR 2) Schwartz, Evan C SR
3) Lipari, Sam J JR 4) Schoenling, Brett
25.62 27.14 23.64 21.43
2 Moeller High School-OH 'A' 1:38.31# 26
1) Koenig, Kevin W SR 2) Albers, Joe C SR
3) Josephson, Christian F FR 4) Hammerstein, Logan JR
25.61 27.10 24.13 21.47
3 Cincinnati LaSalle-OH 'A' 1:45.16 24
1) Scherpenberg, Joey M JR 2) Ernst, Matt G SR
3) Sontag, Sam R JR 4) Brauning, Colton M SO
26.39 29.62 25.90 23.25
-- Elder High School-OH 'A' DQ
1) Patty, Ryan SO 2) Hardig, Jacob SR
3) Monk, Adam JR 4) Gattermeyer, Joe SR
29.10 29.49 24.95 22.64

Event 4 Boys 200 Yard Freestyle GCL/GGCL South
================================================== =============================
GCL GGCL: # 1:43.97 Dan Niemer, St Xavier
Name Year School Finals Points
================================================== =============================
1 Gorsuch, Craig A JR St. Xavier-OH 1:47.63 16
24.89 27.32 27.96 27.46
2 Schneider, Dan J SR LaSalle-OH 1:47.96 13
25.60 27.89 27.48 26.99
3 Schwab, Kevin P SO Moe-OH 1:48.42 12
25.38 27.83 28.20 27.01
4 Snyder, Harrison H SO St. Xavier-OH 1:48.52 11
25.56 27.75 28.16 27.05
5 Galvin, John R FR St. Xavier-OH 1:48.98 10
25.22 28.45 28.13 27.18
6 Krone, Michael F SR Moe-OH 1:49.30 9
25.68 28.19 28.04 27.39
7 Flavin, Rob J SR St. Xavier-OH 1:54.00 7
24.95 27.58 30.17 31.30
8 Hamiter, Harry H FR Moe-OH 1:54.10 5
25.43 28.20 30.00 30.47
9 Scherpenberg, Joey M JR LaSalle-OH 1:56.21 4
28.01 29.58 30.33 28.29
10 Sayers, Colton P SO LaSalle-OH 1:56.26 3
27.48 29.44 30.02 29.32
11 Hobler, Matt L FR Moe-OH 1:59.14 2
25.62 29.47 31.59 32.46
12 Metz, Joe JR ELDER-OH 2:05.05 1
28.33 31.47 32.82 32.43
13 Marnell, Mitchell FR ELDER-OH 2:07.48
28.39 32.00 33.42 33.67
14 Berling, Evan R SO LaSalle-OH 2:10.76
29.22 32.85 34.47 34.22
15 Butler, Stephen SO ELDER-OH 2:13.45
30.51 33.05 35.55 34.34
16 Holmes, Jake JR ELDER-OH 2:14.42
30.33 33.49 35.31 35.29

Event 6 Boys 200 Yard IM GCL/GGCL South
================================================== =============================
GCL GGCL: # 1:55.06 2/2/2005 Tim Williams, Elder
Name Year School Finals Points
================================================== =============================
1 Albers, Joe C SR Moe-OH 1:58.06 16
24.96 29.85 34.27 28.98
2 Foos, Patrick R JR Moe-OH 2:01.99 13
25.47 31.14 35.99 29.39
3 Dennis, Gray FR St. Xavier-OH 2:02.28 12
26.43 31.05 35.20 29.60
4 Conway, Michael J JR St. Xavier-OH 2:03.60 11
26.35 31.26 37.07 28.92
5 Montague, Matthew J SO St. Xavier-OH 2:07.21 10
26.48 31.02 39.46 30.25
6 Schneider, Ben J SO LaSalle-OH 2:07.65 9
27.05 32.40 38.08 30.12
7 O'Connor, Brian P FR St. Xavier-OH 2:07.81 7
27.57 32.11 37.91 30.22
8 Foos, Colin J FR Moe-OH 2:14.50 5
28.69 33.49 40.70 31.62
9 Ernsters, Matt FR Moe-OH 2:18.33 4
29.22 37.33 40.28 31.50
10 Burke, Casey SR ELDER-OH 2:19.20 3
29.52 34.66 42.47 32.55
11 Ernst, Matt G SR LaSalle-OH 2:19.57 2
29.81 35.82 40.49 33.45
12 Hardig, Jacob SR ELDER-OH 2:22.59 1
29.44 38.79 37.58 36.78
13 Schatzman, Alex JR ELDER-OH 2:26.05
30.53 38.82 40.49 36.21
14 Bailey, Patrick FR ELDER-OH 2:40.60
34.36 39.96 49.20 37.08
15 Davis, CJ J JR LaSalle-OH 2:43.90
34.92 42.34 48.10 38.54
-- Specker, Mark R SO LaSalle-OH DQ
28.37 35.99 40.89 31.87

Event 8 Boys 50 Yard Freestyle GCL/GGCL South
================================================== =============================
GCL GGCL: # 21.17 1/31/2001 Adam Dehne, LaSalle
Name Year School Finals Points
================================================== =============================
1 Sanders, David V SR Moe-OH 21.95 16
2 Koenig, Kevin W SR Moe-OH 22.26 13
3 Lipari, Sam J JR St. Xavier-OH 22.31 12
4 Hammerstein, Logan JR Moe-OH 22.35 11
5 Miller, Alex K JR St. Xavier-OH 22.48 10
6 London, Will H JR St. Xavier-OH 22.93 9
7 Smith, Shane M JR St. Xavier-OH 23.11 7
8 Brauning, Colton M SO LaSalle-OH 24.00 5
9 Bell, Jacob SR ELDER-OH 24.29 4
10 Sontag, Sam R JR LaSalle-OH 24.83 3
11 Bedel, Joe FR ELDER-OH 25.46 2
12 Bennett, Stephen M SR Moe-OH 25.48 1
13 Scherer, Chris SO ELDER-OH 25.55
14 Rechel, Ben A JR LaSalle-OH 26.70
15 Allgeyer, Tyler JR ELDER-OH 26.79
16 Leahy, Dan D FR LaSalle-OH 27.20

Event 10 Boys 100 Yard Butterfly GCL/GGCL South
================================================== =============================
GCL GGCL: # 51.80 2/2/2005 Tim Williams, Elder
Name Year School Finals Points
================================================== =============================
1 Lipari, Sam J JR St. Xavier-OH 52.57 16
24.97 27.60
2 Louis, Kevin T SR St. Xavier-OH 52.89 13
25.23 27.66
3 Sanders, David V SR Moe-OH 54.54 12
25.50 29.04
4 Josephson, Christian F FR Moe-OH 54.81 11
25.25 29.56
5 Monk, Adam JR ELDER-OH 55.29 10
25.57 29.72
6 Stenger, JD D SO St. Xavier-OH 56.07 9
26.11 29.96
7 Freudiger, Kyle R SO St. Xavier-OH 56.94 7
26.14 30.80
8 Glaser, Mike D SR Moe-OH 57.91 5
27.36 30.55
9 Nymberg, Doug JR Moe-OH 59.57 4
27.05 32.52
10 Sayers, Colton P SO LaSalle-OH 1:00.57 3
28.90 31.67
11 Specker, Mark R SO LaSalle-OH 1:02.52 2
28.83 33.69
12 Allgeyer, Tyler JR ELDER-OH 1:03.28 1
29.44 33.84
13 Marnell, Mitchell FR ELDER-OH 1:07.09
30.17 36.92
14 Luken, Connor SR ELDER-OH 1:10.46
32.09 38.37
15 Holter, Ryan A SO LaSalle-OH 1:13.00
33.35 39.65
16 Flynn, Justin A SR LaSalle-OH 1:21.43
36.84 44.59

Event 12 Boys 100 Yard Freestyle GCL/GGCL South
================================================== =============================
GCL GGCL: # 47.75 2/1/2000 Adam Dehne, LaSalle
Name Year School Finals Points
================================================== =============================
1 Columbus, Matt J SR St. Xavier-OH 48.34 16
23.38 24.96
2 Schwab, Kevin P SO Moe-OH 48.92 13
23.51 25.41
3 Gores, Jasper L SO St. Xavier-OH 49.21 12
23.67 25.54
4 Conway, Michael J JR St. Xavier-OH 49.76 11
24.16 25.60
5 Krone, Michael F SR Moe-OH 50.13 10
24.18 25.95
6 Harrington, Michael T SR St. Xavier-OH 51.51 9
24.08 27.43
7 Albers, Dieter F SR Moe-OH 52.42 7
24.73 27.69
8 Brauning, Colton M SO LaSalle-OH 53.45 5
25.24 28.21
9 Gattermeyer, Joe SR ELDER-OH 53.69 4
25.36 28.33
10 Bell, Jacob SR ELDER-OH 54.21 3
25.82 28.39
11 Freeman, Micheal A SR Moe-OH 54.98 2
25.88 29.10
12 Sontag, Sam R JR LaSalle-OH 55.60 1
26.24 29.36
13 Deidesheimer, Zach SR ELDER-OH 58.45
27.74 30.71
14 Holmes, Jake JR ELDER-OH 59.19
28.48 30.71
15 Martini, Kevin A SR LaSalle-OH 59.46
27.81 31.65
16 Leahy, Dan D FR LaSalle-OH 1:00.38
29.06 31.32

[xswimmer100]

Event 14 Boys 500 Yard Freestyle GCL/GGCL South
================================================== =============================
GCL GGCL: # 4:38.30 1/31/2001 Nick Douville, Alter
Name Year School Finals Points
================================================== =============================
1 Snyder, Harrison H SO St. Xavier-OH 4:49.76 16
26.13 28.65 28.84 29.24 29.19 29.41 29.75 29.82
29.60 29.13
2 Montague, Matthew J SO St. Xavier-OH 4:52.10 13
26.55 29.40 29.13 29.32 28.86 29.48 29.72 29.82
30.20 29.62
3 Gorsuch, Craig A JR St. Xavier-OH 4:53.83 12
26.56 29.45 29.54 30.00 29.62 29.52 29.81 30.62
30.19 28.52
4 Galvin, John R FR St. Xavier-OH 4:55.16 11
27.08 29.70 30.18 30.10 29.50 29.46 29.94 30.44
30.28 28.48
5 Hamiter, Harry H FR Moe-OH 5:04.27 10
26.91 30.07 31.23 31.57 31.47 31.10 31.14 30.91
30.96 28.91
6 Josephson, Christian F FR Moe-OH 5:04.63 9
26.28 29.95 30.79 31.35 31.27 31.07 31.57 31.84
31.02 29.49
7 Schneider, Ben J SO LaSalle-OH 5:11.78 7
26.68 30.20 31.55 31.84 32.10 31.75 31.98 31.85
32.53 31.30
8 Foos, Colin J FR Moe-OH 5:25.20 5
28.05 31.57 32.82 32.82 33.47 33.64 33.22 33.63
33.45 32.53
9 Krehbiel, Paul R JR Moe-OH 5:27.76 4
28.58 32.42 33.42 33.35 33.96 34.10 33.49 33.55
33.71 31.18
10 Lonneman, Drew R SO LaSalle-OH 5:55.87 3
28.60 32.41 34.03 35.67 36.69 36.67 37.52 38.28
38.57 37.43
11 Berling, Evan R SO LaSalle-OH 6:00.45 2
29.64 34.32 36.50 36.90 37.83 37.89 37.77 37.72
36.45 35.43
12 Butler, Stephen SO ELDER-OH 6:15.76 1
32.68 38.10 37.50 39.39 38.33 38.16 38.55 38.89
36.84 37.32
13 Jameson, Anthony FR ELDER-OH 6:25.59
31.87 37.75 40.40 40.01 40.05 40.07 40.60 40.41
39.49 34.94
14 Davis, CJ J JR LaSalle-OH 6:25.89
32.06 37.38 39.95 40.55 41.08 39.70 40.18 40.51
38.69 35.79
15 Zimmerman, Jeff FR ELDER-OH 6:37.99
35.57 40.57 40.53 41.56 41.28 41.10 40.65 40.70
40.90 35.13
16 Abernathy, Scott FR ELDER-OH 6:38.22
36.33 40.39 40.60 40.53 40.66 41.64 40.83 40.97
40.21 36.06

Event 16 Boys 200 Yard Freestyle Relay GCL/GGCL South
================================================== =============================
GCL GGCL: # 1:28.70 2/1/2008 Barnes,Schoenling,Heinsen,Smit, St. Xavier
School Finals Points
================================================== =============================
1 Moeller High School-OH 'A' 1:28.04# 32
1) Koenig, Kevin W SR 2) Schwab, Kevin P SO
3) Krone, Michael F SR 4) Sanders, David V SR
22.13 22.08 22.64 21.19
2 Cincinnati Saint Xavier-OH 'A' 1:30.85 26
1) Smith, Shane M JR 2) London, Will H JR
3) Stenger, JD D SO 4) Harrington, Michael T SR
22.77 22.46 22.47 23.15
3 Cincinnati LaSalle-OH 'A' 1:35.79 24
1) Schneider, Ben J SO 2) Sontag, Sam R JR
3) Sayers, Colton P SO 4) Schneider, Dan J SR
24.15 24.32 24.91 22.41
4 Elder High School-OH 'A' 1:35.80 22
1) Monk, Adam JR 2) Bell, Jacob SR
3) Patty, Ryan SO 4) Gattermeyer, Joe SR
23.79 24.14 24.32 23.55

Event 18 Boys 100 Yard Backstroke GCL/GGCL South
================================================== =============================
GCL GGCL: # 52.47 2/1/2006 Matt Angelini, Moeller
Name Year School Finals Points
================================================== =============================
1 Columbus, Matt J SR St. Xavier-OH 53.93 16
26.84 27.09
2 Schwartz, Evan C SR St. Xavier-OH 54.09 13
26.43 27.66
3 Schneider, Dan J SR LaSalle-OH 55.59 12
27.11 28.48
4 Drake, Sean T JR St. Xavier-OH 55.88 11
27.61 28.27
5 Koenig, Kevin W SR Moe-OH 57.01 10
27.63 29.38
6 Miller, Alex K JR St. Xavier-OH 57.66 9
28.27 29.39
7 Scherpenberg, Joey M JR LaSalle-OH 58.23 7
28.49 29.74
8 Hammerstein, Logan JR Moe-OH 59.15 5
28.71 30.44
9 Nymberg, Doug JR Moe-OH 1:02.86 4
30.39 32.47
10 Metz, Joe JR ELDER-OH 1:03.23 3
31.05 32.18
11 Burke, Casey SR ELDER-OH 1:03.97 2
31.34 32.63
12 Patty, Ryan SO ELDER-OH 1:05.34 1
31.52 33.82
13 Fischer, Mitch T FR Moe-OH 1:07.30
32.28 35.02
14 Holter, Ryan A SO LaSalle-OH 1:13.82
1:14.13
15 Jaeger, Thomas M FR LaSalle-OH 1:14.53
35.51 39.02
16 Bailey, Patrick FR ELDER-OH 1:14.83
1:14.79 0.04

Event 20 Boys 100 Yard Breaststroke GCL/GGCL South
================================================== =============================
GCL GGCL: # 1:00.03 Jerry Frentsos, Roger Bacon
Name Year School Finals Points
================================================== =============================
1 Albers, Joe C SR Moe-OH 1:00.12 16
28.30 31.82
2 Kimutis, Patrick J JR St. Xavier-OH 1:00.92 13
29.08 31.84
3 Foos, Patrick R JR Moe-OH 1:02.74 12
29.50 33.24
4 Dennis, Gray FR St. Xavier-OH 1:03.02 11
29.64 33.38
5 MacKinnon, Jack B JR St. Xavier-OH 1:04.10 10
30.28 33.82
6 Kerr, Theodore R FR St. Xavier-OH 1:04.22 9
30.29 33.93
7 Albers, Dieter F SR Moe-OH 1:06.54 7
30.65 35.89
8 Hardig, Jacob SR ELDER-OH 1:07.35 5
30.48 36.87
9 Ernst, Matt G SR LaSalle-OH 1:07.70 4
31.47 36.23
10 Schatzman, Alex JR ELDER-OH 1:09.06 3
32.63 36.43
11 Martini, Kevin A SR LaSalle-OH 1:12.09 2
33.44 38.65
12 Ernsters, Matt FR Moe-OH 1:12.85 1
34.45 38.40
13 Luken, Connor SR ELDER-OH 1:13.76
34.66 39.10
14 Lonneman, Drew R SO LaSalle-OH 1:14.25
34.36 39.89
15 Rechel, Ben A JR LaSalle-OH 1:14.31
33.94 40.37
16 Deidesheimer, Zach SR ELDER-OH 1:16.02
34.82 41.20

Event 22 Boys 400 Yard Freestyle Relay GCL/GGCL South
================================================== =============================
GCL GGCL: # 3:13.54 St Xavier, St Xavier
School Finals Points
================================================== =============================
1 Moeller High School-OH 'A' 3:15.02 32
1) Schwab, Kevin P SO 2) Krone, Michael F SR
3) Albers, Joe C SR 4) Sanders, David V SR
23.79 49.26 23.91 49.49 22.65 48.19 22.54 48.08
2 Cincinnati Saint Xavier-OH 'A' 3:17.80 26
1) London, Will H JR 2) Conway, Michael J JR
3) Gorsuch, Craig A JR 4) Harrington, Michael T SR
24.39 50.24 23.16 48.51 23.07 48.23 23.66 50.82
3 Cincinnati LaSalle-OH 'A' 3:28.67 24
1) Schneider, Ben J SO 2) Brauning, Colton M SO
3) Sayers, Colton P SO 4) Schneider, Dan J SR
24.46 51.68 25.03 53.02 25.85 54.08 23.26 49.89
4 Elder High School-OH 'A' 3:36.69 22
1) Monk, Adam JR 2) Gattermeyer, Joe SR
3) Bell, Jacob SR 4) Patty, Ryan SO
25.22 53.49 15.68 53.73 25.14 54.02 26.06 55.45

Event 24 Boys 1 mtr Diving GCL/GGCL South
================================================== =============================
Name Year School Finals Points
================================================== =============================
1 Meier, Mason H SR St. Xavier-OH 275.65 16
2 Resendes, Stefan JR St. Xavier-OH 210.10 13
3 Thornton, Chad JR ELDER-OH 202.45 12
4 Lutz, Joseph SO St. Xavier-OH 183.00 11
5 Gillespie, Joe K SR LaSalle-OH 175.85 10
6 Herbers, Kevin R JR St. Xavier-OH 148.40 9
7 Dangel, Josh D SR LaSalle-OH 126.55 7
8 Glorius, Tony Moe-OH 125.55 5
9 Moore, Luke SO ELDER-OH 117.10 4
10 Vidourek, Tyler D SO LaSalle-OH 111.00 3
11 Laux, Nathan T FR LaSalle-OH 106.45 2

Men - Team Rankings - Through Event 24

1. Cincinnati Saint Xavier 492 2. Moeller High School 349
3. Cincinnati LaSalle 181 4. Elder

[xswimmer100]

results are courtesy of

http://www.stxavier.org/s/106/stxavier.aspx?sid=106&gid=1&pgid=853

these have been posted before swimmeet.com

hope they help!

[stxbomber999]

From looking at the results it was just like last year, Moe looked good on paper, but i dont think they came in as pumped as they were for classic. Also X came in over prepared and probably made some last second adjustment to give guys more shots on relays. I kind of want to know if Xs top guys were suited up or rested some. Looking at the swims I cant really tell, some say probably, but others say probably not.

Big swims from Harrison Snyder in the 500 and Pat Kimutus in the 100 breast, and Gray Dennis's 200 IM was pretty good for a freshman.

[xswimmer100]

columbus leg-suited the 200 medley relay. with that 100 back time, i'd be willing to bet he kept the suit on (just my speculation). gorsuch had an amazing 200 free, probably the swim of the meet

[stxbomber999]

columbus leg-suited the 200 medley relay. with that 100 back time, i'd be willing to bet he kept the suit on (just my speculation). gorsuch had an amazing 200 free, probably the swim of the meet

Yeah that was impressive, but time wise a 4:49 500 and a 1:00 100 breast are a little better, the 200 was probably the best race though because it was so close.

So what do you think happened to Moe, and do you still think theyll win districts?

[Paine]

For whatever reason, Krone seems exceptionally ordinary if he doesn't wear his body suit. He was just in a jammer for GCL and his times showed it.

[BackAgain122]

Yea I would defiantly say moe didn't come in with the right attitude about the meet or maybe it seamed that way to me? (Do you think that they Cared about the meet?) how ever i do think that when they are shaved and tapered you better watch out, don't under estimate what that team can pull off. I really believe that Moeller will have a chance at districts but to win but I think that they are going to have to have some help with other teams in the district. I think that Moeller's downfall is the 200 medley relay. the other two relays should be fine and should have a shot at winning them at state. that is what i predict.

[Amazin']

From looking at the results it was just like last year, Moe looked good on paper, but i dont think they came in as pumped as they were for classic. Also X came in over prepared and probably made some last second adjustment to give guys more shots on relays. I kind of want to know if Xs top guys were suited up or rested some. Looking at the swims I cant really tell, some say probably, but others say probably not.

Big swims from Harrison Snyder in the 500 and Pat Kimutus in the 100 breast, and Gray Dennis's 200 IM was pretty good for a freshman.

why does everytime someone goes fast, people always ask if they are rested?? thats the reason why good swimmers are considered well.. good. They can step up and even swim off events in fast times.

also, Moeller's Medaly relay didn't look that bad. Of course it wasn't fully stack like at classic. but it is still a fast time for not being rested.

[ImPartial]

There were definitely some good swims by people that probably won't be in the sectional lineup. How does X determine that #4 spot for sectionals? Did Jasper Gores just lose his chance in the 200 and 500 because Gorsuch and Synder now have faster times?

Do any of the #5,6,7,8,9 people in the depth chart for X taper for this meet or do they save their taper for the Fred Cooper invite?

[thedutchman]

Do any of the #5,6,7,8,9 people in the depth chart for X taper for this meet or do they save their taper for the Fred Cooper invite?

It's my understanding that those that swam in this meet for X traditionally don't swim in the Fred Cooper. Do I have this wrong?

[stxbomber999]

why does everytime someone goes fast, people always ask if they are rested?? thats the reason why good swimmers are considered well.. good. They can step up and even swim off events in fast times.

also, Moeller's Medaly relay didn't look that bad. Of course it wasn't fully stack like at classic. but it is still a fast time for not being rested.

When I said some of Xs top guys I didnt mean Lipari, Columbus or Miller or guys like that (i seriously doubt they were rested) i was refering to guys who seemed like they already had a sectional spot but swam anyway (such as Drake Gores and Kimutus). However the suiting up still is a legit question, for example Lipari's 50 wasnt that impressive but his 100 fly was very fast, so i was wandering if he suited up and had a bad 50, or did he just wear a regular suit and swim out of his mind. Also i want to know if X medly suited up a 27.1 for Schwartz and a 21.4 for Schoenling were very impressive. xswimmer100 said Columbus was, but were the other guys.

And Impartial, about the free events for sectionals, i think Gores is going to swim the 100 and 200, I think GCLs was ment to be a race for the spot in the 500, so I would think Snyder is moving on.

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When I said some of Xs top guys I didnt mean Lipari, Columbus or Miller or guys like that (i seriously doubt they were rested) i was refering to guys who seemed like they already had a sectional spot but swam anyway (such as Drake Gores and Kimutus). However the suiting up still is a legit question, for example Lipari's 50 wasnt that impressive but his 100 fly was very fast, so i was wandering if he suited up and had a bad 50, or did he just wear a regular suit and swim out of his mind. Also i want to know if X medly suited up a 27.1 for Schwartz and a 21.4 for Schoenling were very impressive. xswimmer100 said Columbus was, but were the other guys.

And Impartial, about the free events for sectionals, i think Gores is going to swim the 100 and 200, I think GCLs was ment to be a race for the spot in the 500, so I would think Snyder is moving on.


yea St.X Came Out in the 200 Medley Relay all suited up and with there A team guys

[Number1Spot77]

St. X's medley relay came out suited up while moeller was not. Only one kid on moellers relay was, Hammerstine the 50 free leg. This shows that moeller should easily beat x at state because they were suited up while moeller was not. Just my opinion...

[stxbomber999]

St. X's medley relay came out suited up while moeller was not. Only one kid on moellers relay was, Hammerstine the 50 free leg. This shows that moeller should easily beat x at state because they were suited up while moeller was not. Just my opinion...

Moellers relay at classic was suited up and Xs wasnt and Moe barely won there, so you can pretty much throw that assumption out the window. Also none of the relays are set yet, really who wins what will all come down to who they decide to put on each relay.

[xbomberd08]

St. X's medley relay came out suited up while moeller was not. Only one kid on moellers relay was, Hammerstine the 50 free leg. This shows that moeller should easily beat x at state because they were suited up while moeller was not. Just my opinion...

Moeller had one guy in a fast suit and at Classic St. X had no one in a fast siut while moeller had all four, so with that assumption X wins...thanks.

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One if you are saying X is going to beat Moeller in the 200 Free Relay...We had two guys on that relay that went 22s!! Come District and State time all four will be faster and Albers wont even be on it. As for the medley X was suited up and Moeller had one guy...Im not saying Moeller is going to win but X definitely doesn't have that one wrapped up especially with Centerville in there also.

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One if you are saying X is going to beat Moeller in the 200 Free Relay...We had two guys on that relay that went 22s!! Come District and State time all four will be faster and Albers wont even be on it. As for the medley X was suited up and Moeller had one guy...Im not saying Moeller is going to win but X definitely doesn't have that one wrapped up especially with Centerville in there also.

Like I said before who wins the relay's all comes down to who is on them. It all depends on if the teams try to stack a certain relay or not. In the 200 free relay X will be the exact same way, both teams will have four guys under 22, but it depends on who is on it for both teams, for example if Moe and X decide to take the medly more seriously and put Sanders and Lawley on it, than both 200 free relays would lose 20. guys, but if theyre both on the 200 free than Moe loses its best flyer and X loses its best backstroker. Also to go along with that, if one team does it and the other doesnt it becomes lopsided on the relays, for example if Lawley is on the Medly and Sanders isnt than advantage X in the Medly and advantage Moe in the 200 free.

I will say this though the 400 free relays are probably set. X will have Lawey Columbus Louis and Miller, and Moe will have Sanders Krone Koenig and Albers. I doubt either team will do any thing to weaken either of their 400 relays. Also I personally beilieve that this will be the race of the meet at state and will be extremely exciting to watch.

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I will say this though the 400 free relays are probably set. X will have Lawey Columbus Louis and Miller, and Moe will have Sanders Krone Koenig and Albers. I doubt either team will do any thing to weaken either of their 400 relays. Also I personally beilieve that this will be the race of the meet at state and will be extremely exciting to watch.

Why not Schwab in the 400 relay...his time is faster than Koenig? I wonder if Schwab will taper more for state or district. It's an interesting choice, because if he tapers specifically for state, he risks not qualifying in his second event (50 or 200 free?). But if he qualifies for only one event, that lets him swim on all three relays. If he tapers specifically for district, that could mean swimming slower legs on state relays.

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What is St.x sectional line up going to be ? Any thought's predictions? I heard they had to have swim off's to see who got the final spots?