Youth Wrestling

[thepolster]

Hows the youth doing anyone know? Since JC is gone whos running the show?

[SSpartans]

Being new to middle school wrestling I wanted to know if this is a isolated incident that no parents are allowed to the scrimmage due to a lack of room in the gym.

[Irish87]

Not sure about the Wrestling situation, but I know parents are not even allowed to go to their son's Basketball practice to watch. What is this the NBA where its a closed practice? :shrug: Makes you wonder whats going on behind closed doors....:confused:
I don't get it. They're 12 and 13 year olds for Petes sake.

[thepolster]

Not sure about the Wrestling situation, but I know parents are not even allowed to go to their son's Basketball practice to watch. What is this the NBA where its a closed practice? :shrug: Makes you wonder whats going on behind closed doors....:confused:
I don't get it. They're 12 and 13 year olds for Petes sake. I know little Larry came out of the gym one day walkin funny. He said he didnt want to talk about. The less I know what goes on the better.

[spartan71]

was it wrestling practice or "club vandersexx" :rainbow: a little Euro Trip reference there... not being able to watch a scrimmage is stupid.... but its time to cut the cord on watching practice's... even though some fathers know more about the sport than the JH coaches and could probably help but like i said they think its time to cut the cord...

the youth wrestling in springfield has huge numbers this year (like 60 kids) and i think Moe Pelky is the head guy with some great coaches to run the team... i know Ed Suber is still there and he was the one who pushed my kid to state runner up last year. he is the type of coach that says you are either going to be a perfect technicial wrestler or i'm going to make you work so hard that you are so strong that no one can stop you. he was awesome and so was JC and Steve...

[Irish87]

Understand your opinion Spartan71.
But, its one thing to ask a Parent not to interrupt a Practice, and if he/she has any problems to speak with the coach after or before, but its another to just say no parents are allowed to watch their child participate. I just think, if a Parent wants to be involved with their childs athletics, they should be able to do this. Not all parents can commit to the time it takes to be a coach, and not all parents are able to attend games, but to not be able to attend a Practice every now and again...:shrug:
I just don't think, as a Coach, I could ever tell a Parent they are not welcome to watch me, the Team or their child at a Practice. In fact, I encourage Parents to get involved and attend Practices. jmo

[thepolster]

I was just pm'd about a issue regarding youth wrestling and a parent getting out of hand during practice the other night. Anyone know anything about that?

[Irish87]

Hey, I know what your getting at Polster, but I was not involved with this incident, so don't even try it. :shrug: :p
I don't even have a kid in Wrestling this year, so make sure my name stays clean, at least on this one. :)

[SPARTAN HOPE]

There is a lot of drama going on right now with youth wrestling. This is my understanding of it, It all stems from 1 or 2 children who want to wrestle, but also want to try their hand at basketball, possibly missing one night of practice or so. The parent(s) had everything ok'd with JC that as long as these kids are doing a sport(s) and not on the couch, we want to keep them wrestling. Suber apparently did not like this idea and had a vote with the other coaches that these kids could only participate in all-stars (no varsity which means no states) That is when JC came back in and said it was previously approved and it is OK. Suber said he was disrespected and got very upset-to the point of yelling in the mothers face, treating the child differentlly and then quitting. JC called a meeting on Monday about him leaving and some of the first year parents got upset and said if he leaves they are leaving and what we can do to make him stay and basically blamed everything on JC. There were a few seasoned parents who spoke up for the program and JC and some new parents didnt like it. If someone can walk away that easy, they were never there for the right reasons in the first place. He is back as of Tuesday night and I heard that he is following JC's decision reluctantly. So now it seems the parents and upset with each other based on where you stand.

[GRPride86]

Parents should be aloud to watch practices like basketball, football, baseball and track. Those sports should have plenty of room so that parents can watch without participating. Wrestling on the other hand may not have the room for parents to be present, if the room is there, then there shouldn't be a problem.

What I have seen, is that the MS coaches usually don't run a very good practice and are intimidated by some parents who have more experience than they do. It's pretty sad if you ask me, but to each their own.

The one thing that I can remember the most about my playing days is my dad coming to "every" practice I had. It meant the world to me and I want to do the same thing for my kids.

[Irish87]

Parents should be aloud to watch practices like basketball, football, baseball and track. Those sports should have plenty of room so that parents can watch without participating. Wrestling on the other hand may not have the room for parents to be present, if the room is there, then there shouldn't be a problem.

What I have seen, is that the MS coaches usually don't run a very good practice and are intimidated by some parents who have more experience than they do. It's pretty sad if you ask me, but to each their own.

The one thing that I can remember the most about my playing days is my dad coming to "every" practice I had. It meant the world to me and I want to do the same thing for my kids.

Exactly!
I'm beginning to like you more every day GRPride86. :crush:
In MS, I can not attend the "right after school practices" because of work, but when its at a later time(5:00) it would be nice to be there, as you said, for my son. If there are Parent issues, a Coach should confront them and try to de-fuse the situation. If that doesn't work, the Athletic Director, or HS Coach should intervene and ask the "disgruntled" Parent to not attend due to being a distraction.

[GRPride86]

Exactly!
I'm beginning to like you more every day GRPride86. :crush:


You saw my pole dancing picture didn't you.

[spartan71]

There is a lot of drama going on right now with youth wrestling. This is my understanding of it, It all stems from 1 or 2 children who want to wrestle, but also want to try their hand at basketball, possibly missing one night of practice or so. The parent(s) had everything ok'd with JC that as long as these kids are doing a sport(s) and not on the couch, we want to keep them wrestling. Suber apparently did not like this idea and had a vote with the other coaches that these kids could only participate in all-stars (no varsity which means no states) That is when JC came back in and said it was previously approved and it is OK. Suber said he was disrespected and got very upset-to the point of yelling in the mothers face, treating the child differentlly and then quitting. JC called a meeting on Monday about him leaving and some of the first year parents got upset and said if he leaves they are leaving and what we can do to make him stay and basically blamed everything on JC. There were a few seasoned parents who spoke up for the program and JC and some new parents didnt like it. If someone can walk away that easy, they were never there for the right reasons in the first place. He is back as of Tuesday night and I heard that he is following JC's decision reluctantly. So now it seems the parents and upset with each other based on where you stand.
like him or not suber is the best coach and motivator in the whole program he is just stuck coaching at the wrong level. should be JH at the least.. but i say they are 2 young to be zero'd in on one sport at that age if they have the drive to do both and can still win the wrestle off's what is the big deal if they wrestle varsity.... well i do understand as a coach if you are gonna push a kid to compete at the state level which takes allot of commitment by the coach you need complete commitment from the wrestler or its 2 and out unless you draw a fish who slides through an easy district.... hey now!! save the drama for your momma!:cool: but i hate to hear that there are issues down there i have nothing but love for those guys... but seriously if suber leaves SYWC you may only get one for sure maybe 2 state qualifiers from the whole group of 60 he really is that good...JMO

[SSpartans]

If that's the way it has to be that parents cant go alright but. If he comes home saying parents from the other team were there then I would have a couple questions.As for "cutting the cord" I have not been to a practice nor have I tried. I understand it is a scrimmage but this is his first official match he ever had, Its just something I would like to see.

[spartan71]

oh and by the way if suber would of left when my kid was there we would have followed him to where ever he went to coach and we were not first year, i just saw over the previous 3 years what he could do with a kid and wanted that for mine..

[spartan71]

If that's the way it has to be that parents cant go alright but. If he comes home saying parents from the other team were there then I would have a couple questions.As for "cutting the cord" I have not been to a practice nor have I tried. I understand it is a scrimmage but this is his first official match he ever had, Its just something I would like to see. i agree with the scrimmage and games issues but practice well different from you grpride86 my father barely came to my games let alone practices and i guess it depends on how it was for you as a child... some dads just want to see if there kids are loafing during practice and yell if they are and thats what i mean by cutting the cord they have to become self motivated and reliant in sports at some point....

[thepolster]

Parents should be aloud to watch practices like basketball, football, baseball and track. Those sports should have plenty of room so that parents can watch without participating. Wrestling on the other hand may not have the room for parents to be present, if the room is there, then there shouldn't be a problem.

What I have seen, is that the MS coaches usually don't run a very good practice and are intimidated by some parents who have more experience than they do. It's pretty sad if you ask me, but to each their own.

The one thing that I can remember the most about my playing days is my dad coming to "every" practice I had. It meant the world to me and I want to do the same thing for my kids. Holly mothers grail; 86. Are you and Irish performing that famus number 69? I can agree with you 86 you must of had a bad MS football coach last year going 10-0. I have witnessed Irishes bleacher reactions in youth when his kid played JV. And I really think there should be a law put in place just for him.:rolleyes:

[Ragemaker]

I can't comment on MS sports, but my last 2 years of High School I was a bit of a slacker and couldn't play basketball because of my grades... moron! :wallbang:
However I did find myself in the gym for girls basketball and started helping out, and after I graduated I became an assistant for about 4 years. If I remember correctly only 1 acception was made so that a grandparent could come in the gym about the last 15 minutes of practice so he could sit down instead of standing outside the doors. NO parent was allowed in the gym during practices, the gym doors were always closed, they could look through the windows on the doors but were not allowed to come in until we opened the doors after practice. All of the parents respected the request of the head coach and waited to insult, or bombard us with our inferior coaching abilities til after the practices. I think it's best that way, at least in the MS and HS level where the coaches get paid... it's their job so I say let em be. Now scrimages, if there is room heck yeah I want to see the kids parents, family, and friends there, it's great encouragement for an athlete to draw from. Of course as long as there is enough room. As far as playing 2 sports at the same time, well IMO I think it's a bit much, especially if they have to miss practice or a game or match to do their "favorite" of the 2. It seems to be a bit selfish, and not fair to the other kids.

[Buckeye29]

I just had to chime in on the youth wrestling thing. With 60 kids on the team there is going to be some parent drama no matter what, especially with "new" wrestling parents that don't really understand how things work. I agree with you Kev, Ed is one of the best coaches that my boys have ever worked with. He's tough and expects the kids to work hard. Nothing wrong with that. I understand that kids will want to try different things though as well. My son, Rusty, is doing double duty this year with basketball and wrestling, and he will miss some wrestling practices. His coaches don't like it, but they except it. He will wrestle varsity if he wins his wrestle off though, it's very simple. By the way, I'd love for Ed to come over to Field and help out there. I wish Springfield Youth Wrestling the best. Let the coaches do their jobs and make your boys into champions on and off the mat.

[thepolster]

Didnt we have this problem with a basketball coach telling his players they can only play for him at the HS?

[thepolster]

oh and by the way if suber would of left when my kid was there we would have followed him to where ever he went to coach and we were not first year, i just saw over the previous 3 years what he could do with a kid and wanted that for mine..
Fill up the tank, its a long drive.:) Buckeye just recruited him.

[thepolster]

There is a lot of drama going on right now with youth wrestling. This is my understanding of it, It all stems from 1 or 2 children who want to wrestle, but also want to try their hand at basketball, possibly missing one night of practice or so. The parent(s) had everything ok'd with JC that as long as these kids are doing a sport(s) and not on the couch, we want to keep them wrestling. Suber apparently did not like this idea and had a vote with the other coaches that these kids could only participate in all-stars (no varsity which means no states) That is when JC came back in and said it was previously approved and it is OK. Suber said he was disrespected and got very upset-to the point of yelling in the mothers face, treating the child differentlly and then quitting. JC called a meeting on Monday about him leaving and some of the first year parents got upset and said if he leaves they are leaving and what we can do to make him stay and basically blamed everything on JC. There were a few seasoned parents who spoke up for the program and JC and some new parents didnt like it. If someone can walk away that easy, they were never there for the right reasons in the first place. He is back as of Tuesday night and I heard that he is following JC's decision reluctantly. So now it seems the parents and upset with each other based on where you stand. Whoever wrote this, very good explanation.JMO

[Ragemaker]

Didnt we have this problem with a basketball coach telling his players they can only play for him at the HS?
That coach wanted the kids to play basketball only, right? He didn't want them playing any sport no matter the time of year. I think that is definately wrong. Play as many differnt sports as you want, just not at the same time. JMO

[thepolster]

That coach wanted the kids to play basketball only, right? He didn't want them playing any sport no matter the time of year. I think that is definately wrong. Play as many differnt sports as you want, just not at the same time. JMORight, even when another sport didn't coexist at the same time. Coach was telling his players to play hoops only, no other sport all year long. I think coach Vaughn has a great idea to make all athletes mandatory to play 2 sports a year. I don't know if its enforced yet but if someone knows for sure let me know.

[Irish87]

Don't take this the wrong way guys, but I beginning to figure out why the kids in Springfield begin to lose interest in Sports by the time they get to HS. It also clears many things up as to why their HS Sports programs are suffering.
Youth Teams are talented and do well, parents stop caring and kids lose interest and motivation.

Its because the Parents stop staying involved and helping their child reach their potential. C'mon guys. 12 - 13 year old are not going to be 100% self motivated. They've got to many other things on their mind. :crush:
What is so bad about a Parent wanting to help their child work hard and stay focused?
Sorry. Nobody is gonna convince me, that not being able to attend and watch your 12 and 13 year old childs Basketball Practice, is good for the child. Gimme a break.
I've experienced this first hand with my oldest. Being able to watch and attend all of his football practices in Youth, I could evaluate and help him improve on some of his weaknesses at home. When he got into HS, I could no longer see him practice because of my job. When I'd ask him how practice went today, he would always paint a "rosie" picture for me and tell me he did great, not wanting to dissapoint me if he had a bad day. Well, I took that as he was doing great, but when I watched him play his games, I could see, he was not as focused as he should have been nor was he as fundamentally sound as he should have been. Thats not a knock on the Coaching, its simply, as a coach you can only do so much during your 2 hour practices. The elite Athletes excell beyond, because of their work ethic off the field.

[thepolster]

Don't take this the wrong way guys, but I beginning to figure out why the kids in Springfield begin to lose interest in Sports by the time they get to HS. It also clears many things up as to why their HS Sports programs are suffering.
Youth Teams are talented and do well, parents stop caring and kids lose interest and motivation.

Its because the Parents stop staying involved and helping their child reach their potential. C'mon guys. 12 - 13 year old are not going to be 100% self motivated. They've got to many other things on their mind. :crush:
What is so bad about a Parent wanting to help their child work hard and stay focused?
Sorry. Nobody is gonna convince me, that not being able to attend and watch your 12 and 13 year old childs Basketball Practice, is good for the child. Gimme a break.
I've experienced this first hand with my oldest. Being able to watch and attend all of his football practices in Youth, I could evaluate and help him improve on some of his weaknesses at home. When he got into HS, I could no longer see him practice because of my job. When I'd ask him how practice went today, he would always paint a "rosie" picture for me and tell me he did great, not wanting to dissapoint me if he had a bad day. Well, I took that as he was doing great, but when I watched him play his games, I could see, he was not as focused as he should have been nor was he as fundamentally sound as he should have been. Thats not a knock on the Coaching, its simply, as a coach you can only do so much during your 2 hour practices. The elite Athletes excell beyond, because of their work ethic off the field.
Well PUT irish187! Maybe some rules should be layed out for parents at the beginning of the year so they can be there.

[Irish87]

Being a Coach, I see why some Coaches would want it that way. Trust me, in the past, I would have loved nothing more than to have the Police escort some of my Football Parents away from Practice, :D :p :crush: ...... jk
but bottom line is, if they want to stay and watch their child, they should have that right. As I mentioned before and as you mentioned, lay the laws out up front about interrupting Practices and let them know there will be consequences.
I could almost, even understand if a Coach wanted a closed practice one day a week, in order to really stress a focused practice before an upcoming game. But every practice? :shrug:
Polster, thanx for understanding. I was ready to get ripped from you on this topic. :D

[spartan71]

Didnt we have this problem with a basketball coach telling his players they can only play for him at the HS? yeah that kinda bothers me... understandable if he's got college locked and not getting hurt is key but come on unless thats the case HS coaches should not be encouraging that....

[spartan71]

Don't take this the wrong way guys, but I beginning to figure out why the kids in Springfield begin to lose interest in Sports by the time they get to HS. It also clears many things up as to why their HS Sports programs are suffering.
Youth Teams are talented and do well, parents stop caring and kids lose interest and motivation.

Its because the Parents stop staying involved and helping their child reach their potential. C'mon guys. 12 - 13 year old are not going to be 100% self motivated. They've got to many other things on their mind. :crush:
What is so bad about a Parent wanting to help their child work hard and stay focused?
Sorry. Nobody is gonna convince me, that not being able to attend and watch your 12 and 13 year old childs Basketball Practice, is good for the child. Gimme a break.
I've experienced this first hand with my oldest. Being able to watch and attend all of his football practices in Youth, I could evaluate and help him improve on some of his weaknesses at home. When he got into HS, I could no longer see him practice because of my job. When I'd ask him how practice went today, he would always paint a "rosie" picture for me and tell me he did great, not wanting to dissapoint me if he had a bad day. Well, I took that as he was doing great, but when I watched him play his games, I could see, he was not as focused as he should have been nor was he as fundamentally sound as he should have been. Thats not a knock on the Coaching, its simply, as a coach you can only do so much during your 2 hour practices. The elite Athletes excell beyond, because of their work ethic off the field.good points irish but this closed practice thing is not unique to Springfield and to me is not a factor for our lets call it "lack of success" in our sports programs here but i still agree with the stop caring thing look at our softball dads here in springfield these guys are guru's in coaching by the time their daughters graduate because they care all the way thru and that kids paint a rosie picture when we are not there to watch...

[Irish87]

Spartan71,
I have a feeling:) , that if you were told you could not watch your childs Practices in Wrestling and Football, there would be issues. As they get older, I can kinda understand it a little(a wee little), but in Middle School? I know how involved you are with your sons Athletics, and it would tear you up inside, if you could not attend any of his Practices, let alone a Scrimmage as SSpartans mentioned.

[GRPride86]

Tallmadge MS basketball is the same way.

I would like to know what the reason behind it is. We have ideas, but let's hear the real reason from someone in the administration. If you're a coach worth his or her salt, you can control any situation with parents.

[spartan71]

you are right that would suck i would have to DDT someone like Jake the Snake.... it was worth a debate though and your arguement takes into account that every father is a good fundementals coach and great motivator for their kid which most think they are but i bet less than 50% actually help their kids and 10% probably actually hurt progress... but i do think HS should be the cut off cause if they get to college it becomes 100% isolation and the earlier they can become self motivated and self reliant the better, can we agree on that?? 12-13 years old is kinda young heck they cant even consistanly clean up after themselves let alone self motivate to train hard enough to become an elite athelte at that age...

[Irish87]

Agreed Saprticus71. :crush:
We takin bets on who the first person will be, dancin on the Tables at the Nite at the Races Saturday? :)
Maybe Spartan V could lead the way? :)


:banana:
V

[spartan71]

i will pm you this afternoon with my top three canidates... but with the jell-o shots flowing i think we will have some rookie moms on the tables saturday night!! lookout! we will have to test some tables when we are setting up on saturday morning dont want any America's Funniest Home video moments.... or do we???:stirthepot: irish bring your hacksaw and some duct tape i'll bring the saddle, boots and my hat.. yeee haaw!

[SPARTAN HOPE]

like him or not suber is the best coach and motivator in the whole program he is just stuck coaching at the wrong level. should be JH at the least.. but i say they are 2 young to be zero'd in on one sport at that age if they have the drive to do both and can still win the wrestle off's what is the big deal if they wrestle varsity.... well i do understand as a coach if you are gonna push a kid to compete at the state level which takes allot of commitment by the coach you need complete commitment from the wrestler or its 2 and out unless you draw a fish who slides through an easy district.... hey now!! save the drama for your momma!:cool: but i hate to hear that there are issues down there i have nothing but love for those guys... but seriously if suber leaves SYWC you may only get one for sure maybe 2 state qualifiers from the whole group of 60 he really is that good...JMO

I respect your opinion. You are exactly right with (like him or not) because not everyone has had the same experience. This is the time (in youth)when a child should be able to test other sports without penalty. There is a little more to the story and his special interest in the two weight classes mentioned. As far as the best coach, that is debatable as both men in my household say that he teaches fundamentals that WILL NOT work in high school. You have not been there yet, but you will see the change come when its not so easy to win anymore. I am not taking anything away from him, he may be a good coach to some kids and not others. He definately motivates, but motivating with fear does not work for the little ones. I want my little guy to like the sport first and foremost or he wont want to come back. But really the bottom line, JC made a decision and it should have ended there. JMO-peace :rainbow:

[spartan V]

OMG, what is wrong with you two?? Did I not hit you guys hard enough on Saturday. I'm not getting on a table Irish. I'm an :angel:
And as for you 71 didn't you tell me not to let myself get provoked by the posts. Thanks for your support. lol

[spartan71]

I respect your opinion. You are exactly right with (like him or not) because not everyone has had the same experience. This is the time (in youth)when a child should be able to test other sports without penalty. There is a little more to the story and his special interest in the two weight classes mentioned. As far as the best coach, that is debatable as both men in my household say that he teaches fundamentals that WILL NOT work in high school. You have not been there yet, but you will see the change come when its not so easy to win anymore. I am not taking anything away from him, he may be a good coach to some kids and not others. He definately motivates, but motivating with fear does not work for the little ones. I want my little guy to like the sport first and foremost or he wont want to come back. But really the bottom line, JC made a decision and it should have ended there. JMO-peace :rainbow:i gotchya.. and maybe i was partial because my son needed that preverbial foot up his but during wrestling and he provided that but he also was very motivational in a kind way to zach off the practice matt. i dont think people see or want to see that part of him, as far as teaching knowledge i think he teaches each to win dependent on their style... but you're right the young ones just need to have fun and learn to endure the work in a positive atmosphere because it is a grind of a season only the strong willed can survive the training day in and out... thats why i almost would prefer to see all-stars and varsity ran seperate allot of times. i think allot of other programs do this it probably would be best with 60 kids and it could seperate the problems if you know what i mean...

[spartan71]

OMG, what is wrong with you two?? Did I not hit you guys hard enough on Saturday. I'm not getting on a table Irish. I'm an :angel:
And as for you 71 didn't you tell me not to let myself get provoked by the posts. Thanks for your support. lol
we will see SpartanY.....:angel: :angel: :angel:
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

[spartan V]

we will see SpartanY.....:angel: :angel: :angel:
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

Pot stirring provoker!!!!!!

[spartan71]

Pot stirring provoker!!!!!!

I've been called worse.:)

[thepolster]

Tallmadge MS basketball is the same way.

I would like to know what the reason behind it is. We have ideas, but let's hear the real reason from someone in the administration. If you're a coach worth his or her salt, you can control any situation with parents.Dude, if I was a coach I would keep the door shut because I would be droppin f-bombs like it was hot.

SpartanV should we bring 1's or 5's?. Whats the going rate?

[GRPride86]

Dude, if I was a coach I would keep the door shut because I would be droppin f-bombs like it was hot.


Heard that happened several times last year at the 7th grade level (Tallmadge).

But I have found it way more effective to "whisper" those things in their ears, where only the two of you know what was said. It gets results.

[GRPride86]

By the way,

If you guys still need entertainment for the Races, call me. I have an open date.

Like "Right Said Fred" says:

"I'm too sexy for my shirt too sexy for my shirt,
So sexy it hurts"

http://designermagazine.tripod.com/RightSaidFredPIC1.jpg

And Polster: I prefer 5's

[Buckeye29]

i will pm you this afternoon with my top three canidates... but with the jell-o shots flowing i think we will have some rookie moms on the tables saturday night!! lookout! we will have to test some tables when we are setting up on saturday morning dont want any America's Funniest Home video moments.... or do we???:stirthepot: irish bring your hacksaw and some duct tape i'll bring the saddle, boots and my hat.. yeee haaw!

So, will camcorders be allowed? Sounds like a freelance photographer could have some real fun.:cool: I do think that we should respect any mom who wants to get up on a table and dance, so come on guys ones? $5 I would say should be the minimum.

[spartan71]

are you coming then???

[spartan71]

Heard that happened several times last year at the 7th grade level (Tallmadge).

But I have found it way more effective to "whisper" those things in their ears, where only the two of you know what was said. It gets results. right on GRPride it is more effective but i have never cursed before it makes my ears bleed....:angel: :angel:

[GRPride86]

^^^^

Never lied or stretched the truth either? I haven't either, so we're in the same boat. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/shocked003.gif

But fact still remains,

I AM SEXY!!!!! JUST LOOK AT MY GOLDEN PANTS!!!!!

I'm even to SEXY for my shoes damnit!!!

[GRPride86]

And by the way polster:

You know Subway was talking about me with the $5 for a foot long.

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/shocked016.gif

[spartan71]

right... said fred:laugh:

[Buckeye29]

are you coming then???

Yep. I can't wait. Sounds like fun. I think my sister is coming as well. You never know, a couple jello shots and she might want to dance.

[Irish87]

[QUOTE=thepolster;3414779]Right, even when another sport didn't coexist at the same time. Coach was telling his players to play hoops only, no other sport all year long.QUOTE]
Hope this trend doesn't continue, or the HS Football Team will continue to suffer in future years. Currently, there are seven 7th graders on the Middle School Basketball team. All starters mind you, on the 7th grade Football team. Food for thought.

[spartan71]

Irish,
Andrick is gone and he was a great BB coach other than that snafu. i would venture to say the head football coach is holding all the marbles now in Springfields HS sports it helps to be the AD and HC he would tell the BB coach to go pound salt if he tried that now and would probably take that job too.

[SSpartans]

I guess it would really depend on the sport. Such as sports that run into each other, there is no excuse things just have to be worked out.. wrestling and basketball well im sure kids with a high athletic level would not have any problem. But it would be hard telling parents your kid is good enough and that kid is not. Maybe you could put in some kind deal. Let's say you wrestled for 2 years now you are eligible to play another sport at the same time. I have had people ask if they can play soccer and baseball I tell them forget it. But its different trying to get 3 games a week in and then trying to catch up rain outs. And then trying to squeeze a practice in once in a while. Its a little to time consuming.

[GRPride86]

What if your kid played baseball and was very good at throwing the discus and shotput? Could the kid just show up and throw and then leave to play baseball? I would say yes, especially if he scores points, but then again that's my opinion.

[SSpartans]

Well for one thing the discus team was cut this year at Springfield due to inadequate funding (Band equipment). Well after the shot put you might be over throwing the hoop a little. But just my opinion. Yes your still taking time away from one sport that you might have less experience in. But it would at least put some kind of restrictions on some people. Such as parents saying If that kid is going to play two sports mine is going to play two also.

[Irish87]

My two cents, being a coach and all:
if you can not make a commitment to a Team, to attend all Practices and games, you should not sign up. Getting sick, going on vacation or other excused absences are acceptable, but, not going to practice and just showing up game day is a no no in my book. I don't care how good you are at a certain sport.
Call me old school if you want, but its not fair to the kids that do go to every practice.

[GRPride86]

But what if your kid can break the school record in throwing discus or shot and still plays on the baseball team? Should you deny that kid the opportunity to be that person that holds the records?
I think each case should be look at seperately. Playing basketball and wrestling would be very difficult to do at the same time, but other sports might not be. I'm just wondering how football players can play on the golf team to. Now that's a tough one.

[Irish87]

My opinion, sorry, if you can't be at Discus Practice during the week, you don't get to perform come Meet time.

signed,
Ole School

Personal experience, my son could be an extremely talented Socc...(I can't say it) player, if he didn't love Football so much. He knows, he is not allowed to participate in Sucker, if he can't make practices. He understands and choses Football instead. Thank god.
Same with Lacrosse. We have contemplated getting him into Lacrosse, but it interferes with Baseball. He choses baseball.

[thepolster]

My two cents, being a coach and all:
if you can not make a commitment to a Team, to attend all Practices and games, you should not sign up. Getting sick, going on vacation or other excused absences are acceptable, but, not going to practice and just showing up game day is a no no in my book. I don't care how good you are at a certain sport.
Call me old school if you want, but its not fair to the kids that do go to every practice.
There was kids missing practice torwards the end of the football season to wrestle, but I still seen them starting first O and D.

[spartan71]

7th grade and up no double dipping one at a time Grasshopper..

Signed,
David Caradine

[spartan71]

There was kids missing practice torwards the end of the football season to wrestle, but I still seen them starting first O and D.you did??? who?? those who started missing practice for wrestling did not start there were only 2 and i can tell neither started on Varsity defense..

[Irish87]

There was kids missing practice torwards the end of the football season to wrestle, but I still seen them starting first O and D.
This why I have problems with you Polster. You talk and spread rumors about stuff you have no clue on. There was one player that missed practices because of Wrestling and to let you know, he did not even come to the last game. The other player was not at practices, because he had family matters he was attending to. Spartan71 can back me up on this if he wishes.
You really shouldn't ry and tear down people when you have no clue.

[thepolster]

But what if your kid can break the school record in throwing discus or shot and still plays on the baseball team? Should you deny that kid the opportunity to be that person that holds the records?
I think each case should be look at seperately. Playing basketball and wrestling would be very difficult to do at the same time, but other sports might not be. I'm just wondering how football players can play on the golf team to. Now that's a tough one.
86 you are going to tread water with Irish, He is ole school and he will stomp a mudhole. :rolleyes: I like the idea of multi tasking a kids ability. Keeps them out of trouble. But when that kid sees that female at the end of the tunnel he will forget all about two sports.

[thepolster]

you did??? who?? those who started missing practice for wrestling did not start there were only 2 and i can tell neither started on Varsity defense..
Larry did.

[Irish87]

Larry did.
Nice. You lied about him getting into trouble at school, so he could miss Football practice for Wrestling.
Typical Springfield issues.

[spartan71]

i do back you up Irish you are 100% correct..... sorry polster you should keep busting the band boosters balls. i like that better than bring up this old buisness thats not even true, i can tell people are bored on here no juicey rumors going on so we talk about meaningless situations that are semi-related to the thread.. i say we focus on the disparity between the booster clubs and do what we can to fix/expose/equalize the situation... lets stay on task here children.....

[spartan71]

Larry did. not!

[thepolster]

This why I have problems with you Polster. You talk and spread rumors about stuff you have no clue on. There was one player that missed practices because of Wrestling and to let you know, he did not even come to the last game. The other player was not at practices, because he had family matters he was attending to. Spartan71 can back me up on this if he wishes.
You really shouldn't ry and tear down people when you have no clue. Its about time we got back in the saddle. I have no proof what so ever.

[Irish87]

Polster,
my point is, all of us parents are going to see each other the next 5 - 6 years. We need to stop all this negative press and get along. I went through it 7 years ago, where every parent was jealous of everybody elses kid, and what they did. Everybody was talking bady about everybody elses kid. Why can't everybody stop the bs and the personal little biases toward each other and have some fun the next few years? Trust me, you don't get these years back and your gonna miss them down the road. We all need to support this group of kids and what they do, instead of ripping on each other and driving wedges between us.

[thepolster]

Nice. You lied about him getting into trouble at school, so he could miss Football practice for Wrestling.
Typical Springfield issues.
No irish he never did, I was joking. You sound pissed. I love it dude. Are you really taking this bs serious. If you aint then you got me.

[Irish87]

Yes, I took you serious, even though I knew you weren't. Problem is, people outside and inside our Community read this bs and take it to heart. Many people don't know that you and I joke around from time to time, and begin their gossip. Then, next thing you know, gossip has turned into a full blown rumor. I for one, am just tired of hearing stuff, that is not true about somebody and want to try and unite our Community, parents and all. :angel:

Time is running out and my kids are growing fast.

[Irish87]

By the way Polster, I'm having car problems. Would you look at it for me? :)

[thepolster]

OK then take this to heart. From what I have done in my past has bound my hands from doing more for my community than I can. I threw away allot of my rights and I hate to see people biaaach about things in the community and not do anything about it when its right there in there face. You have the luxury to coach and be on a board to make decisions on kids lives which I cant because of something I did in the past. When I try and light fire under all your guys azzzes its for a reason. Sorry Irish but until you and 71 run for board or quit complaining I cannot give up the personal vendetta. Or we can come to some kind of agreement for your wives to run, god help us.

[Irish87]

We understand your position and appreciate all the positive stuff you do. Every chance I get, I inform people what good you have done for the youth. We all know there are negatives out there and changes need to be made. But tearing down one person to bring up another is not the way it needs to be done. There are good people and good coaches in place, throughout our Community now. We all have our different ways of coaching. Doesn't make any one of us wrong or right, but we are all in it for the right reasons. Our focus needs to be on the kids and keeping their grades up and staying out of trouble. Along with that, we need to get our schools back before we continue to lose gifted Athletes to other communities and school systems.

One last thing, I'm not a Politician. Sorry.

[spartan71]

OK then take this to heart. From what I have done in my past has bound my hands from doing more for my community than I can. I threw away allot of my rights and I hate to see people biaaach about things in the community and not do anything about it when its right there in there face. You have the luxury to coach and be on a board to make decisions on kids lives which I cant because of something I did in the past. When I try and light fire under all your guys azzzes its for a reason. Sorry Irish but until you and 71 run for board or quit complaining I cannot give up the personal vendetta. Or we can come to some kind of agreement for your wives to run, god help us. polster i'm out of the township now youth football is all i am in position to help with now but i can help point out wrongs that i see as you do now. you know i love this township and whether i am here or in Lake i will always be doing what i can for Springfield kids as people did for me when i was a kid growing up here..

[spartan71]

oh by the way i love my wife and would never want her to be subjected to the life of a school board member my life would become miserable as would hers.. there are plenty of good people in Springfield to run for those political positions i prefer to help out with things i actually have a clue about like football thats my passion..

[thepolster]

I was sitting at the house the other day talking to your boy about stuff. i said dude Imagine all 30 of you guys together in 12th grade. What are we putting out now? 4-6 seniors a year. What is your intentions w/zach? Are we gonna have him back 9th? Don't worry about that address we can fix that.:angel: St V has been taking over by the all women's school. What a shame, no escape for Irish now:)

[thepolster]

oh by the way i love my wife and would never want her to be subjected to the life of a school board member my life would become miserable as would hers.. there are plenty of good people in Springfield to run for those political positions i prefer to help out with things i actually have a clue about like football that's my passion.. Yea there are plenty of people but who? Lets put a flier out and get some candidates.

[Irish87]

I was sitting at the house the other day talking to your boy about stuff. i said dude Imagine all 30 of you guys together in 12th grade. What are we putting out now? 4-6 seniors a year. What is your intentions w/zach? Are we gonna have him back 9th? Don't worry about that address we can fix that.:angel: St V has been taking over by the all women's school. What a shame, no escape for Irish now:)

Don't need an address change. Springfield is Open Enrollment.
Not sure what you mean by the St V and all girls school.
Although I will say, St V-M is an excellent institution with top notch Academics and Athletics, not to mention rich in tradition.

I say we start selling T-shirts that say
"Tradition re-born, courtesy of the Class of 2014" and have it decorated with old action shots of Bo James and Anthony Gary.

[thepolster]

Don't need an address change. Springfield is Open Enrollment.
Not sure what you mean by the St V and all girls school.
Although I will say, St V-M is an excellent institution with top notch Academics and Athletics, not to mention rich in tradition.

I say we start selling T-shirts that say
"Tradition re-born, courtesy of the Class of 2014" and have it decorated with old action shots of Bo James and Anthony Gary.
Get the hype going. Yea, Like those wittness shirts for the cavs.

[Irish87]

Yea there are plenty of people but who? Lets put a flier out and get some candidates.

Larry Murphy
Kevin Vaughn

[thepolster]

who is Larry Murphy? can KV do that to? I was thinking John Hofer. Three spots need filled.

[Irish87]

Larry teaches at the HS. Head Football coach 7 - 8 Years ago. His wife teaches at Young.
Hofer would be another good candidate in my opinion.

[spartan71]

Larry teaches at the HS. Head Football coach 7 - 8 Years ago. His wife teaches at Young.
Hofer would be another good candidate in my opinion.

i agree with Hofer he is a smart level headed guy.. can a teacher run for board or is that conflict of interest??

[spartan71]

I was sitting at the house the other day talking to your boy about stuff. i said dude Imagine all 30 of you guys together in 12th grade. What are we putting out now? 4-6 seniors a year. What is your intentions w/zach? Are we gonna have him back 9th? Don't worry about that address we can fix that.:angel: St V has been taking over by the all women's school. What a shame, no escape for Irish now:) my intentions are to have him play for lake next season for 8th grade and even that is killing me. i would love to let DW have a year with him Doug is a great guy and a real coach not a pretender he will prepare those boys for the next level no doubt.. there is just too much ill will and hard feelings in me right now to make a rational decision for him to go back Zach he was in the wrong but he was 12 years old and its not like there was no history leading to that fight like some like to believe..

[Buckeye29]

I'd like to chime in if I may on this debate. Can a kid play basketball and wrestle? I think it depends on a lot of things. First off, the age of the kid. I think for younger kids it's not a problem. Kids need to try different things to see what they really like and are good at. Wrestling is a very simple and fair sport. If you win your wrestle off, you are varsity. I do agree with Irish that I think if you're on a team, no matter the sport, you need to be at all the practices with a few exceptions. Now this is were I sound like a hypochrite because I'm going to use my nine year old as an example. Rusty has wrestled since he was three years old. Last year as a 4th grader he was a state qualifier. This year he wanted to try basketball, which nearly killed me. The wrestling coach at Field made a deal with Rusty that if he made at least two practices a week then he could wrestle too. I don't see anything wrong with that. I would rather see a kid miss a practice because he's doing something athletic than just because he got the new Madden 09 for Christmas. I do think that when sports overlap, the sport that is just starting should be put on hold for the one that is ending though. That's usually the norm I think. Sorry if I was rambling on and on, I just think young kids should be aloud to try what ever they want and then wrestle in middle and high school.

[SSpartans]

Nice to hear somebody back at Jr high wrestling practice. Hope that amazon flu he had in not contagious.

[SSpartans]

Being new to wrestling is a match like a scrimage and the tournament is what counts.

[spartan71]

match = wrestler v wrestler

dual = team v team: teams accumulate points per inv. matches

tounament= teams accumulate points per inv. matches for team placement @ tourney team with most points takes 1st etc.

hope that helps

[Blues]

Suber said he was disrespected and got very upset-to the point of yelling in the mothers face, treating the child differently and then quitting.

[spartan71]

Suber said he was disrespected and got very upset-to the point of yelling in the mothers face, treating the child differently and then quitting.??? suber is gone plese this thread is freakin 4 years old make a new one if you have something to say..

[LFD203]

I'm sure Hoban has a page on here. Grind your axe there.

[thepolster]

Im hearing the new Wrestling room will be up in running by December.....

[chinwhip]

Heard that also. Last night however, I heard it won't be used until next year

[thepolster]

Heard that also. Last night however, I heard it won't be used until next yearis it a trick statement? January?

[chinwhip]

December it is!!!

[thepolster]

Enjoy!!!!!!!lol

[chinwhip]

How bout your boy? He coming out?

[thepolster]

i would like him to but his back is still a issue. Plus we dont even know if he can come back to Springfield or not till tomorrow.