Please thank the refs,good club teams do

[soccerdad]

Please thank a ref today!

[futbol10]

in fenwick's game tuesday night against roger bacon, the final score was 1-1. Although it was the worst game of fenwick's season(they played horrible.), for the first time in my life i will say that the ref's calls ended up dictating the entire game to a point where they ended up making the difference between a win and a tie, an EXTREMELY questionable call lead to bacon's goal. i'm not blaming the refs for the tie, but i certainly am not going to thank a ref who clearly doesnt know the game.

[phatneff]

in fenwick's game tuesday night against roger bacon, the final score was 1-1. Although it was the worst game of fenwick's season(they played horrible.), for the first time in my life i will say that the ref's calls ended up dictating the entire game to a point where they ended up making the difference between a win and a tie, an EXTREMELY questionable call lead to bacon's goal. i'm not blaming the refs for the tie, but i certainly am not going to thank a ref who clearly doesnt know the game.

put this comment in a different thread then. this isn't what this thread is for.

and I'll say it once again.......ref's do not determine the outcome of a game. in a high school varsity match, there are 80 minutes worth of chances to put balls in the net. it doesn't come down to one instance of the referee's whistle.

the next thing you'll say is that it's the umpire's fault for a baseball team getting shut out, or for them having no hits, because the umpire made bad balls and strikes calls. that is just as absurd. but I digress, as we can discuss on a different thread.

[american football]

It is a matter of respect.

You may not agree with the official, but thanking them after a game is respectful.

In the end, it is just a game.

Select teams get it, because they play some of the best competition around the United States and can still respect officials.

High School soccer is great, but some forget it is just the best neighborhood teams playing.

Top level select is made up of HS all-star teams playing other all-star teams around the region and nation.

"Never let the score of a game be close enough to be decided by an official"







put this comment in a different thread then. this isn't what this thread is for.

and I'll say it once again.......ref's do not determine the outcome of a game. in a high school varsity match, there are 80 minutes worth of chances to put balls in the net. it doesn't come down to one instance of the referee's whistle.

the next thing you'll say is that it's the umpire's fault for a baseball team getting shut out, or for them having no hits, because the umpire made bad balls and strikes calls. that is just as absurd. but I digress, as we can discuss on a different thread.

[Hugesoccerfan]

I agree with phatneff. This thread was created out of another thread where all there was were negative comments about the few refs that had impacted a game. This is a thread which is meant to remind players not only to thank the refs for doing what they do, but also, if you have a game where the ref actually is not even noticed and simply does a good job, mention it and give them some credit too. We never compliment the refs when they do a good job, just whine if they don't. Would be nice for the quality ref to get some recognition.

[soccerdad]

Hey guys I started this thread so I feel I must respond to the negative thread.1st-if you go to the thread-(officiating and players/coaches/parents,I actually commented on this game.I was there.Although my son didn,t play or bacon would have won handily.I said the refs actually did a great job.How is it that 2 people from the same vantage point saw it so differently?Maybe the outcome?The only questionable thing that happened was the time keeping.I personaly think it was the time keepers fault, but he said he was instructed to stop the clock at every whistle.Also the GOAL(bacon's) was from an excellent throw in.What bad call allowed him to throw it so far?I understand your frustration with the tie.On that night you probably should have won.But remmember that your forwards towards the end of the game missed at least 3 excellent opportunities to score.Shooting high or wide.REMMEMBER?This game was hard faught and I think the ref did an excellent job allowing play.Bacon was also given a yellow for dangerous play.(refs keeping it safe)there was some very minor handling by both teams.Letting play go on was the right thing.(flow)Take my son comment with a grain of salt it's the pride talking.If you know who he is you will understand the comment.J.B. on your team knows who he is.Thanks for letting me rage on.

[phatneff]

Thanks for recognizing the good job of the referee (was not me). However, I do want to point out that is it a bit fishy that he instructed the timekeeper to stop the clock at every whistle. Did this actually happen from the beginning of the game until the end of the game? Did both coaches agree to this?? Regardless, there is no basis for a referee to do so, that I can think of offhand. NFHS states that a timekeeper must be present. The referee is the official timekeeper only when there is no other means available. Since there was a timekeeper, he has no authority to stop the clock for every whistle from beginning to end. Only in the event of time-wasting would this be allowed.

[soccerdad]

The clock stoppage on every whistle was from the start.Approx.7:35 to 9:30.It wasn,t just me, everyone noticed it in the stands.Because the game was so well contested, I think the coaches didn't notice.And of coarse the game was tied up early, so no one was going to complain about too much time.Each team wanted the win, not the tie.The ref did cross his hands when he wanted time stopped, which leads me to believe there was a miss communication.I also want to say that in the beginning on some of the threads I found myself complaining and chiming in on the refs.Your constant stand and some patience(ha ha)to get people to see the other side of the coin has changed my outlook alot.After a game my wife would tell me she didn't want to be around me.I was to consumed with what I couldn't change,and how good or bad my kids played instead of just taking it for what it was,A GAME,with people and kids that aren't perfect and either am I.Thanks

[phatneff]

The clock stoppage on every whistle was from the start.Approx.7:35 to 9:30.It wasn,t just me, everyone noticed it in the stands.Because the game was so well contested, I think the coaches didn't notice.And of coarse the game was tied up early, so no one was going to complain about too much time.Each team wanted the win, not the tie.The ref did cross his hands when he wanted time stopped, which leads me to believe there was a miss communication.I also want to say that in the beginning on some of the threads I found myself complaining and chiming in on the refs.Your constant stand and some patience(ha ha)to get people to see the other side of the coin has changed my outlook alot.After a game my wife would tell me she didn't want to be around me.I was to consumed with what I couldn't change,and how good or bad my kids played instead of just taking it for what it was,A GAME,with people and kids that aren't perfect and either am I.Thanks

No, thank YOU!

[soccerballs]

and I'll say it once again.......ref's do not determine the outcome of a game. in a high school varsity match, there are 80 minutes worth of chances to put balls in the net. it doesn't come down to one instance of the referee's whistle.
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idk how much time u have spent around soccer but some games are close and u dont score every time u have a chance so to give one team an extra chance or to take away a chance can easily lead to a tie game or a loss for a team.

[phatneff]

idk how much time u have spent around soccer but some games are close and u dont score every time u have a chance so to give one team an extra chance or to take away a chance can easily lead to a tie game or a loss for a team.

Was that supposed to be multiple sentences??? I could barely understand that, but I think I got it.

I believe I have mentioned this before: 30 years playing (still) and 15 years officiating. Does that qualify as much time around soccer?

And you just proved yourself wrong. The games of sport are all based on chances. If you don't capitalize on those chances while the other team does, then your team will probably lose. Someone else already said this, too: Officials are not disrespected at the older age level games (except maybe the GCASL) and minor and major professional levels. Why should they be disrespected at any other level?

[american football]

Lakota West lost a 1-0 game to neighborhood rival East with 7.6 seconds left in the game.

Earlier in the game, they had a goal called back after and offsides call.

At the end of the game, they walked across the field to the home side to shake hands with the officials.

Very impressive.

[soref]

Officials are not disrespected at the older age level games (except maybe the GCASL) and minor and major professional levels. Why should they be disrespected at any other level?

"Maybe the GCASL"?
More there than any other league that I have reffed!
BTW - do you play at Kolping tonight?
I'm not sure which team you are on.
I haven't seen you yet this year.

[soccerdad]

Well my oldest son's only red he ever got came in that league.Played for Club Independiente last year.He mouthed off.Deserved it to!

[phatneff]

I play for Valencia. I'm in Vegas this weekend, so I won't be there tonight, either. I've only played in one game due to me being out of town all the time, plus they have a younger keeper. I don't know how good he can be seeing that he has given up 15 goals in 2.5 games!!

A couple/few years ago, there was a directive from the GCASL league stating that players and coaches need to lighten up on the officials or else the league would be disband. There was so much disrepect to the referees that it was getting out of hand. So, yes, it hasn't been that bad in the past couple of years.

[futbol10]

Hey guys I started this thread so I feel I must respond to the negative thread.1st-if you go to the thread-(officiating and players/coaches/parents,I actually commented on this game.I was there.Although my son didn,t play or bacon would have won handily.I said the refs actually did a great job.How is it that 2 people from the same vantage point saw it so differently?Maybe the outcome?The only questionable thing that happened was the time keeping.I personaly think it was the time keepers fault, but he said he was instructed to stop the clock at every whistle.Also the GOAL(bacon's) was from an excellent throw in.What bad call allowed him to throw it so far?I understand your frustration with the tie.On that night you probably should have won.But remmember that your forwards towards the end of the game missed at least 3 excellent opportunities to score.Shooting high or wide.REMMEMBER?This game was hard faught and I think the ref did an excellent job allowing play.Bacon was also given a yellow for dangerous play.(refs keeping it safe)there was some very minor handling by both teams.Letting play go on was the right thing.(flow)Take my son comment with a grain of salt it's the pride talking.If you know who he is you will understand the comment.J.B. on your team knows who he is.Thanks for letting me rage on.



I'm not going to start a debate on skill or who should have won or frustration or what not. as far as the "excellent" throw in, yes, #15 had some very good throw ins, but if you were able to see where the ball went out, and where he actually threw it in, you would understand why i said the refs decided the game. He ran 15 yards further up then where the ball went out of bounds-- if it was taken from the right spot, the ball would have 15 yards further back from where they shot it, and the shot was from about the 6. The ball would have then been played to around the 18-20ish yard line, and Bacon didnt have a good shot from that distance all game.

[futbol10]

^^^^^ also, there were not three excellent opportunities that missed high or wide. One was an excellent opportunity when 10 layed it off to 11 and it was over, that was the only one. Another time number 8 took a shot with very little angle with his left foot, even though he's a righty (not an excellent opportunity). one excellent missed opportunity. I REMEMBER. however, I will give credit to bacon's defense for containing Fenwick's strikers. They did a good job keeping Coffman and Benhase's touches limited.

[futbol10]

Was that supposed to be multiple sentences??? I could barely understand that, but I think I got it.

I believe I have mentioned this before: 30 years playing (still) and 15 years officiating. Does that qualify as much time around soccer?

And you just proved yourself wrong. The games of sport are all based on chances. If you don't capitalize on those chances while the other team does, then your team will probably lose. Someone else already said this, too: Officials are not disrespected at the older age level games (except maybe the GCASL) and minor and major professional levels. Why should they be disrespected at any other level?

this site is not about trashing other users so stop embarassing yourself. Soccerballs has a good point regardless of if you agree with it or not, but some games are very close, and you should think about what he had to say. For example, lets say that two teams are playing and both of them had two very equal opportunities to score but neither of them convert, now, lets say that a PK is given to one side for a ridiculous call where no contact even occured, they score, they win. Think about it. Yes, reffing is a tough job, but it definetly can control outcomes of games whether you agree with it or not.

[phatneff]

this site is not about trashing other users so stop embarassing yourself. Soccerballs has a good point regardless of if you agree with it or not, but some games are very close, and you should think about what he had to say. For example, lets say that two teams are playing and both of them had two very equal opportunities to score but neither of them convert, now, lets say that a PK is given to one side for a ridiculous call where no contact even occured, they score, they win. Think about it. Yes, reffing is a tough job, but it definetly can control outcomes of games whether you agree with it or not.

I don't know you think I've been "trashing", but I haven't done it to anybody. The point is you'll never agree with me until you get on the other side of the ball. Have you ever counted how many bad passes, bad traps, misplayed balls, stumbles, etc. have occurred in a game??? Do the refs point those out to say a team lost because of those? No, because it's implied that the game will not be played perfectly, just as it is implied that the refs won't officiate perfectly. How many times do you see players getting trashed because they misplayed a ball, or made a mistake, or shanked a PK??? NEVER (unless we're talking about the Bungles!!)

So why blame the refs for a few mistakes when numerous more mistakes were made throughout the game by the players?!?!

[futbol10]

You are correct, however, your initial statement was that refs do not control the outcomes of games. Sometimes, NOT always, they do. Mistraps, bad passes etc. are all expected, and a near guarenteed goal is not directly at skate as a result of them, but a PK for no reason or something along those lines is not controllable by the players, it is the ref and only the ref to blame for a bad call. sure, EVERYONE makes mistakes, but going back to your initial comment about refs not deciding games is not always true, usually the refs are just fine, no complaints, but sometimes, they do control the outcome of games.

[Messi]

put this comment in a different thread then. this isn't what this thread is for.

and I'll say it once again.......ref's do not determine the outcome of a game. in a high school varsity match, there are 80 minutes worth of chances to put balls in the net. it doesn't come down to one instance of the referee's whistle.

the next thing you'll say is that it's the umpire's fault for a baseball team getting shut out, or for them having no hits, because the umpire made bad balls and strikes calls. that is just as absurd. but I digress, as we can discuss on a different thread.

I'll agree with you 99% on this, but yes they do and yes they have. Remember the World Cup when USA played Germany and the German player blocked the goal backstick with his hand?? Wasn't called, cost US the game. As I recall, US didn't have many chances, if you even want to call them chances, on goal. They played great D and get rewarded with a bad no call. Would have changed the game. Yeah, they still had 90 minutes. But if the ref takes away the only chance at goal, it changes the game.

I would go into more examples that involve cincy HS games but I'm not b/c it's HS and 80% of the refs here are AWFUL and not worth discussing. I'll agree with you that whether a PK is a bad call, the team still has to put it in the net. But the "no calls" are what can effect the game, not the actual terrible calls.

[phatneff]

I'll agree with you 99% on this, but yes they do and yes they have. Remember the World Cup when USA played Germany and the German player blocked the goal backstick with his hand?? Wasn't called, cost US the game. As I recall, US didn't have many chances, if you even want to call them chances, on goal. They played great D and get rewarded with a bad no call. Would have changed the game. Yeah, they still had 90 minutes. But if the ref takes away the only chance at goal, it changes the game.

I would go into more examples that involve cincy HS games but I'm not b/c it's HS and 80% of the refs here are AWFUL and not worth discussing. I'll agree with you that whether a PK is a bad call, the team still has to put it in the net. But the "no calls" are what can effect the game, not the actual terrible calls.

Ok, we haven't even gotten into that realm yet.............UNSEEN violations. In the World Cup, everyone watching on tv had the privilege of seeing NUMEROUS replays. In the non-professional levels of soccer, you don't get that. In ALL levels of soccer, the referee NEVER gets it. It's a spur of the moment decision to make a call or not make a call (without applying the advantage clause). If a referee does NOT see a violation, there is no possible way that he can call it. You are to never ASSUME the violation.

All of the no-calls that we have been discussing in this whole forum are about violations that the referee sees but chooses not to call it. Please do not confuse those with calls that the referee does NOT see, regardless if he is in position or not. Referees cannot focus on every single thing at every single moment. I'm not going to speak for the referee in the WC, but my guess is that he didn't see it.

And to be honest, I would have to see it again to see if I would have even have called it. By rule, it may not have even been considered "handling"!

[Hugesoccerfan]

For what it's worth, I thought the 3 ref crew at the Mason Fairmont game was among the best I had seen all year. I did not stay for the whole game, but what I watched, they were excellent. Some Mason fans were complaining, but from what I saw, they were spot on most calls and actually MOVING to keep pace with the game. Called what was necessary and let play go on if it wasn't a foul. They allowed a nice pace and kept players from being injured and called it evenly. For the most part, they went unnoticed, but since this thread, I said I was going to look for the good refs, not just the bad ones. These guys were good.