Summit (1) v.s Mariemont (2)

[chlkyle]

What are your thoughts on the game Saturday night? Can Mariemont's explosive offense take down the Knights, or is Summit just too strong? Game is at Mariemont's Kusel Stadium at 7pm Saturday 9-27.

What are your thoughts?

[cincysportsfan123456]

I think this will be one of, if not the most excited games of the season in Cincinnati. Summit is an incredible team, especially defensively. Offensively, they have threats in Dwyer and Priede, both of who Mariemont successfully marked out of the game in their 6-2 playoff win last season. The Knights have only given up 1 goal all season, and the Warriors have put up 4.2 goals a game. Meininger and Colak (the kid from vermont) lead a forceful defense, and White, Herkamp, and Arkeilpane lead the Warriors potent offense. I think the question will be whether or not Offense or Defense wins the game, and as the old saying goes, Defense wins championships, so I think I speak for all when I say I'm thoroughly excited.

[shs_soccaholic]

Summit has given up 3 goals...not that it really makes a difference
I think Summit will win as well because I don't see the mariemont defense coping with priede and dwyer very well...they could surprise me though.

[cincysoccer2006]

i think this game ranks a close second to summit seven hills for most exciting game of thew season, only because summit seven hills is also for the league championship

[ohiosoccafan]

this game might dictate the #1 seed going into the tournment. Defense or offense can't alone win this game. Whoever brings the whole unit will win. good luck

[manchester]

This one should be a good game. I dont think Mariemonts defense is bad at all and i think they can handle dwyer and priede. Summits defense looks strong as well. I think this game will come down to the mid field.

[acmilan13]

I am going with Summit in this one. Mariemont hasn't really played anyone good yet besides Seven Hills and Summit tied Worthington Christian who has played one of the hardest schedules in the state, and thumped SCC the defending state champs. I would say Mariemont has been tested by Finneytown, but Finneytown is not a very good team and just plays "kick, run, & hack" according to Mariemont's players, coaches, & fans. haha

[CakesYork]

Should be an intense match from start to finish.

ACmilan13: let it go

[theozone]

With 11 cards issued in the WX-Summit game, and about 7 in the Finneytown-Mariemont game...I hope those really great CHL refs are ready.

[dubayuw]

I think that it would be good for Summit to lose to either Mariemont or Seven Hills. Going into the tourney undefeated could be very dangerous for Summit.

Anyway, this game will be great. Summit's first real test away from home, I think.

My prediction: Summit controls the game but has trouble putting it in the net. Mariemont scores a lucky goal(perhaps a mitch white throw) at the beginning of the 2nd half. Summit responds late in the second half.
Mariemont 1-1 Summit

[cincysoccer2006]

i predict a 2-1 score. dont know whos gona get the 2 but im feeling it

[american football]

This is sad.

Not sure if it is players, coaches, officials or all 3.

Very sad to have a game of two high profile teams with that many cards.

I have seen good teams go through multiple seasons without 11 cards.

I love the game of soccer, but the hacking, diving and fouling continues to hurt the game.

With 11 cards issued in the WX-Summit game, and about 7 in the Finneytown-Mariemont game...I hope those really great CHL refs are ready.

[cincysoccer2006]

2 1 told ya

[soccoachcincy]

cincysoccer and o-zone should be an odds makers ...

This was an outstanding game between two very competitive teams. It really could have gone either way.

[cincyd3soccer]

What is the story with meineger and his red card?
excessive celebration?

[dubayuw]

Im guessing it is excessive celebrations but that seems extreme, he didn't celebrate for that long. Maybe there is a special rule about leaving the playing field or engaging with spectators since he left the field to high-5 fans.

I didn't think he deserved a straight red but i found his celebration very obnoxious and unsportsmanlike. But if I were the ref I would let the coach handle it instead of just sending him off.

He is out for the next game, correct? That would be Seven Hills, right? That is another huge game.

[theozone]

In high school, excessive celebration would get you a yellow.

To receive a straight red it would have to be "taunting"...I don't know if he said something to the bench as he ran over near it.

I was surprised by the red card, I was expecting yellow...maybe he said something.

[ssw123]

he got a red because he left the field of play.. in the book thats a red but since he was the one who "lead" the team off the field to celebrate he was the one who received the red. a lot of people, including me, thought it was excessive celebration but it wasnt

[Gview]

Im guessing it is excessive celebrations but that seems extreme, he didn't celebrate for that long. Maybe there is a special rule about leaving the playing field or engaging with spectators since he left the field to high-5 fans.

I didn't think he deserved a straight red but i found his celebration very obnoxious and unsportsmanlike. But if I were the ref I would let the coach handle it instead of just sending him off.

He is out for the next game, correct? That would be Seven Hills, right? That is another huge game.

The red card requires that a 2 game suspension be applied to the player.

[soref]

"Excessive Celebration" is a "Yellow/Red" which carries the same suspension as a straight red but the team does not have to play a man down.
I knew when I read it in the paper yesterday that something had to have happened beyond excessive celebration since it said that the team had to play a man down for the remainder of the game.

[theozone]

I thought summit played a man down after the red, which would NOT have been the case with yellow/red. So wouldn't straight red/playing a man down be the penalty for "taunting" instead of "excessive celebration"

I missed the first half of that game, but was there a handball at some point that was confusing?

[soref]

I thought summit played a man down after the red, which would NOT have been the case with yellow/red. So wouldn't straight red/playing a man down be the penalty for "taunting" instead of "excessive celebration"

I missed the first half of that game, but was there a handball at some point that was confusing?


"Taunting" would receive a straight red. If the player went toward the stands to "high five" fans of his own team, this would not be considered taunting. Leaving the field of play without the permission of the official would result in a yellow card. The only other thing that I could think that would have happened in this situation to result in a straight red would be if the player used language or made a gesture that the referee thought was abusive.

[theozone]

That's what I thought

Couldn't hear if the player said anything, maybe he did, but I was surprised that he was given a straight red card....of course that resulted in the yellow being called on the bench

[cincysoccer2006]

cant this be appealed anyways and delay the suspension?

[dubayuw]

cant this be appealed anyways and delay the suspension?


doesnt seem likely. Its not like the OHSAA has game film to reveiw or anything. They can only reveiw what people say which makes it seem like it is unlikely to change.

[soref]

cant this be appealed anyways and delay the suspension?

The suspension would be the same either way.
If the official made the mistake of giving a straight red for the excessive celebration, all that would have been different is the team being made to play a man down. The suspension for the yellow/red when given for excessive celebration is the same as a straight red given. The only time that a yellow/red does not carry a suspension is when it is given as a second yellow.

[titan32]

The red card requires that a 2 game suspension be applied to the player.

this is true. my daughter got a red card earlier in the season & that's what happened to her. the high school AD said it was a state law now....& if you get a 2nd one you're done for the season.

[cincysoccer2006]

my point is if its appealed he might be able to play vs seven hills and have the suspension 'suspended' pending review

[soref]

my point is if its appealed he might be able to play vs seven hills and have the suspension 'suspended' pending review

I don't understand what you think can be appealed though?
If the player should have gotten a yellow/red the suspension would be the same as the straight red. There is nothing to appeal.

[theozone]

Soref

Does "excessive celebration" always result in a yellow/red, rather than just a plain yellow...wow that seems a bit harsh...

[ohiosoccafan]

regardless of whether the card shoudlve been issues, the card was issued. HOwever, how does the whole appeals process? Do they only talk to the 3 refs and 2 coaches or what? becuase i see this as a long process that might not be set in stone by thursdays big game?

[soccer11]

There is no appeals for something like this. This isnt like baseball where you can appeal the suspension and then serve it when you find the timing more to your liking. The card was given and the suspension will begin with the next game. It is a 2 game suspension so will NOT be available for the Seven Hills game.

[soccerfan40]

The player for Summit was given a straight red card for taunting. He ran from in front of the goal about 40 yards to the track and then went down the track showing his shirt to the crowd and then high fiving the students and then the whole team came over to him on the track and their fans. This was deemed as taunting to the official. If anyone thought it was something different they are wrong. I have never in my 35 years of being around the sport of soccer seen a player run off the field and do this. This is not professional sports where you can do the "lambo" leap. It is OHSAA soccer and this was very unsportsmanlike and he was rubbing it in the faces of the Mariemont fans and players.

The most important thing to remember is that in the opinion of the referee(s) it was considered taunting and taunting is a straight red card.

Why didn't the celebration stay on the field? If it would have stayed on the field it would not have been an issue.

I do not think there is an appeal process because it was in the opinion of the referee. This is not a misinterpretation of the rule. The referee thought it was taunting and by rule this is a straight red card.

[theozone]

Do you mean the Lambeau leap...

[cincysoccer2006]

i feel like it should be allowed to be appealed. pretty bogus that referees, who as i have stated on other threads are wrong 95% of the time (but that is neither here nor there) have so much control over games.

and secondly that rule is bogus. the ohsaa makes by far the worst rule selections at times it is mind boggling.

[soref]

i feel like it should be allowed to be appealed. pretty bogus that referees, who as i have stated on other threads are wrong 95% of the time (but that is neither here nor there) have so much control over games.

and secondly that rule is bogus. the ohsaa makes by far the worst rule selections at times it is mind boggling.

So you think that OHSAA should allow someone to appeal because they feel that a rule is "bogus"?
This rule was put into place because of OHSAA trying to stress sportsmanship.
In what way do you think that the actions of that player showed any sportsmanship?
Like I said before, it doesn't matter whether or not a review board would consider what was done to be either excessive celebration or taunting, both carry the same suspension. Nothing will or should be done about this.

[soref]

Soref

Does "excessive celebration" always result in a yellow/red, rather than just a plain yellow...wow that seems a bit harsh...

If an official considers that they player is doing something to bring attention to themselves after scoring a goal or is delaying a timely restart of the scoring of a goal it can be considered excessive celebration and the proper card is a red/yellow. A yellow card would not be appropriate in these situations according to the rules laid out by OHSAA.
I can go out to my car and get my rule book and type the rule word for word if you would like to know exactly what it says.

[soccerfan40]

cincysoccer2006 -

If you think the referees are wrong 95% of the time, you should become one. Go thru the training, learn the rules as they are taught to us and apply them to the game. We are in need of "good" referees as you say.

Also, the rules that are set forth by the OHSAA come from the National Federation of State High School Associations with some changes or interpretations that are particular for the State of Ohio. Sportsmanship in high school sports is on the decline. There are some schools that have it but in general it needs a lot of improvement.

His act was not sportsmanlike and it was about "him" after the scoring of the goal. He displayed actions that were not acceptable. It was as if he never scored a goal in his life and he wanted the whole place to look at him and when he started to pull his shirt off his chest to show everyone Summit, at that point it became taunting.

[COFan]

cincysoccer2006 -

If you think the referees are wrong 95% of the time, you should become one. Go thru the training, learn the rules as they are taught to us and apply them to the game. We are in need of "good" referees as you say.

Also, the rules that are set forth by the OHSAA come from the National Federation of State High School Associations with some changes or interpretations that are particular for the State of Ohio. Sportsmanship in high school sports is on the decline. There are some schools that have it but in general it needs a lot of improvement.

His act was not sportsmanlike and it was about "him" after the scoring of the goal. He displayed actions that were not acceptable. It was as if he never scored a goal in his life and he wanted the whole place to look at him and when he started to pull his shirt off his chest to show everyone Summit, at that point it became taunting.

What signal did the ref make to signify "taunting" versus excessive celebration?

[cincysoccer2006]

yeah he scored what imght be the biggest goal of his life. i bet he never scored a goal that big before. cut him a brake for god's sake he's a kid. i guarantee the mariemont players don't care about his celebration, they care about why he is celbrating, that goal. The fans are the one's pissed off about the celebration not the players. when i coach if i ever have a kid that says he cared that the other team celebrated after scoring a game winning goal in a game like that im going to yell at him for not caring that they scored the goal in the first place, get his head out of his rear. and when are rules supposed to be catered towards fans wishes? it's not as if this game didn't mean anything or he had just scored goal nine.

maybe what he did was excessive, but so was the punishment. let him live and have fun.

and fine, the ohsaa isnt bogus, NFHS is.

soref, when talking about an appeal, i was trying to ask what someone else had prevously stated. he knows hes gon aget suspended, but i didnt know if he could appeal it to delay the suspension until after a hearing or something (as in pro sports) so that he could play in this game. even if he has no basis to appeal, it owuld have been a time delay. from what everyone's saying it seems like that is not possible in ohsaa sports.

also ive seen celebrations where p[layers take off their shirts in club and it goes unpunished. same maturity level, same age, different punishment. who is right? OR are the leagues that different in nature that the rules are both right. i dont have an answer

[cincysoccer2006]

wanted to start a new post cause that got way too long and i dont even know how

anyone see that byu washington game a couple weeks ago? locker scores an INCREDIBLE touchdown to tie the game, throws the ball over his head, gets called for excessive celebration, media screams bloody murder

[theozone]

Soref,

At what point does "excessive celebration" become "taunting" according to the high school rules. Lucky for Summit that they were playing on a very small field....28 minutes with only 10 players is a long time.

[soref]

What signal did the ref make to signify "taunting" versus excessive celebration?

The signal would be the red card

[soref]

Soref,

At what point does "excessive celebration" become "taunting" according to the high school rules. Lucky for Summit that they were playing on a very small field....28 minutes with only 10 players is a long time.

that is in the opinion of the referee, nothing is laid out by rule

[soref]

and fine, the ohsaa isnt bogus, NFHS is.

also ive seen celebrations where p[layers take off their shirts in club and it goes unpunished. same maturity level, same age, different punishment. who is right? OR are the leagues that different in nature that the rules are both right. i dont have an answer

The rules in High School are set forth by the NFHS.
The rules in club are set forth by the USSF and are based off of FIFA.
There are many rules that differ between NFHS and FIFA.
They both have different agendas and reasoning for their own rules.

I'll give one for an example:

Ball is controlled by Team A.
A player is injured and play is stopped for the injured player to be attended to.
USSF restarts with a drop ball.
NFHS restarts with an indirect free kick for Team A.
Why the difference in the rule? I have no idea????

That is one of many differences, but we have to follow the rules of the governing body for the match that is being played.

[theozone]

soref...I guess in my mind "taunting" is OAIL ...that is why I wondered if the player said something

Gotta love the HS rules

[soccerfan40]

Thank you soref.

If you take your shirt off in high school it is an automatic red card. If you would lift your shirt over your head it is a red card. The rules might be skewed a little bit, but you have to go by the rule book that is valid for the contest you are working.

There a different rules for even some of the leagues that clubs play in. I know that it is weird at times. I wish that the rules could be the same across the board but I don't think it will happen.

[soccerdad]

Hey, who has a kid that never acted unappropriatly. Kidding aside,wrong or right the kid scored a goal of a life time to him.There should be more passion in the game.Maybe alittle over the top but miss a game that affects alot of other peaple I'm not sure.Whats taunting?How about the slit the throat jester.My son had several players of another team do it to him getting off the bus b4 the game.Only made him work harder and took it as alittle respect too.A good talking to YES, Maybe an appology YES. RED CARD NO

[theozone]

soccerfan40,

So you are stating that in High School taking off your shirt would garner a straight red...meaning your team is now playing down a man. Wouldn't that be "excessive celebration" and the player would receive a red/yellow or soft red and allow the teams to play at equal strengths.

To play a man down is a VERY severe penalty for the ENTIRE team.

I thought the straight red was for "taunting"...so taking off one's shirt is 'taunting"...in my mind, that's a stretch

[cincysoccer2006]

Hey, who has a kid that never acted unappropriatly.

i do

[cincysoccer2006]

IMO any red (double yellow, yellow/red, red) should result in the team having to play a man down

does that mean that the kid shuda gotten a red
not necessarily no

[theozone]

Hey soccerfan 40 or soref,

I'm still looking for clarification about issuing an automatic red card for the removal or lifting of the jersey in NFHS...is this a straight red?
Was this a directive given in a rules meeting or something?

[soref]

Hey soccerfan 40 or soref,

I'm still looking for clarification about issuing an automatic red card for the removal or lifting of the jersey in NFHS...is this a straight red?
Was this a directive given in a rules meeting or something?

I would say that the answer is "It Depends".
The act of only lifting up a jersey I would say is excessive celebration and would get a "soft red" (red/yellow). If it involves any "taunting" then it would be a straight red.

[soccerdad]

I DO ? sounds like he doesn't have the guts to be himself around you. As for the shirt over the head.I've seen kids do it when they made a mistake or thought they should have done better.Where does all this end. No contact,no talking, wear a helmet, don't keep score.

[theozone]

Soref...

Thanks...you may want to share this info with soccerfan 40 who apparently thinks this is an automatic red. I thought automatic red sounded a bit harsh...these are kids after all

[cincysoccer2006]

I DO ? sounds like he doesn't have the guts to be himself around you. As for the shirt over the head.I've seen kids do it when they made a mistake or thought they should have done better.Where does all this end. No contact,no talking, wear a helmet, don't keep score.


im kidding. im 19 i dont have a kid

[soccerdad]

it's all good ! Thread away

[COFan]

The signal would be the red card

Soref,

My understanding is that excessive celebration is a double yellow which carries no suspension penalty. Arguing with the ref is also called a double yellow.

[fredzozzer]

yeah don't you guys know anything about a double yellow

[soref]

Soref,

My understanding is that excessive celebration is a double yellow which carries no suspension penalty.

Let me give it to you word for word from the rule book.
Maybe then everyone will understand:

Red/Yellow Card for foscusing attention on oneself/preventing timely restart after a goal
* Given to player under NF 12-8-2(a) for focusing attention on oneself / preventing a timely restart after a goal. This misconduct can only be committed by a player after a goal.
* Exactly same prohibition against playing on the same day, same two-match suspension and same Official Report Requirements as for the Straight Red Card...
* A player disqualified under NF 12.8.2(a) is considered "ejected" for purposes of OHSAA regulations.
* Both the red and yellow cards are displayed in the same hand at the same time
* Number of players on the field shall not be reduced

A "double yellow" is the subsequent caution. A player can not receive a "double yellow" for a single incedent.

"Arguing with the ref is also called a double yellow."

No, arguing is considered decent and again see my definition for a "double yellow". Depending on how bad the decent is, a player can receive either a yellow or a red.

[titan32]

Let me give it to you word for word from the rule book.
Maybe then everyone will understand:

Red/Yellow Card for foscusing attention on oneself/preventing timely restart after a goal
* Given to player under NF 12-8-2(a) for focusing attention on oneself / preventing a timely restart after a goal. This misconduct can only be committed by a player after a goal.
* Exactly same prohibition against playing on the same day, same two-match suspension and same Official Report Requirements as for the Straight Red Card...
* A player disqualified under NF 12.8.2(a) is considered "ejected" for purposes of OHSAA regulations.
* Both the red and yellow cards are displayed in the same hand at the same time
* Number of players on the field shall not be reduced

A "double yellow" is the subsequent caution. A player can not receive a "double yellow" for a single incedent.

"Arguing with the ref is also called a double yellow."

No, arguing is considered decent and again see my definition for a "double yellow". Depending on how bad the decent is, a player can receive either a yellow or a red.

nice job JD. well done.

[cincysoccer2006]

SO WAIT SO WAIT HE DID MESS UP.

"THE NUMBER OF PLAYERS SHALL NTO BE REDUCED"

if mariemont had tied that ref would be out of a job.

[theozone]

Cincysoccer,

The refs at Mariemont decided that the Summit player was "taunting" the Mariemont team. "Taunting" ia a straight red...you play a man down.
"excessive celebration" is a yellow/red or soft red as described above.

I was at the Mariemont game for the second half...I can't figure out how the refs decided the player's actions were taunting.

Though soccerfan 40, who I believe was probably an AR for this game stated on this thread that players get red cards for lifting or removing their jerseys..I still can't figure out how lifting your jersey is taunting....it would not be taunting in USSF

[CintiRef3]

A quick note about appeals/protest. There is no such thing for Ohio HS sports.

Per the by-laws Section 8-3-1
Protest arising from the decisions and interpretations of the contest playing rules by officials will not be considered, and those decision shall be final. The Commissioner's office does not have the authority or jurisdiction to order contests replayed, or to overturn decisions of contest officials regarding the decisions and interpretations of contest playing rules. The decisions and interpretations of the rules by the contest officals are final.

[cincysoccer2006]

^^^ thats what i wanted to know initially. thakn you

[CintiRef3]

Glad to help. Not sure why nobody answered the question.

[cincysoccer2006]

i think there was a lot of confusion. thanks for sorting it out

[theozone]

Okay, I have heard the player in question played in the next game against Seven Hills..how did this happen then

[cincysoccercoach]

The only way it could have happened is if the ref reversed his position and didn't report it to the state office. I have had a ref reverse his call especially when he found out he was inconsistent or in error in a decision. A player on my team cursed at his own player and got the red card. Later in the game an opponent cursed the same word after being fouled and got a yellow. The ref called the coaches together after the game and reversed the red card. He asked the opposing coach if he had a problem with it and the coach agreed to the change to yellow. It was either hand out two reds or two yellows. We played a man down but I didn't lose a player for the year due to 2 reds. Before you ask, the first red was in another game for a professional foul of fouling a player on a breakaway.

If the ref thought the player was running in front of the visitors and then found out it was his own fans he might felt justified in turning the red to yellow.

[soccoachcincy]

I have read a great deal about the incident and kept silent due to my obvious bias in the situation. The referee did an excellent job trying to manage a hard fought match that was full of passion and intensity. He, like all of us, got caught up in the emotion of the match. He later - on his own - corrected his call and never filed the straight red card to the state. Since Summit won the match, no formal protest for playing a man down was filed. All is done ... case closed.

This particular referee has done an excellent job for many years and should not be crucified for his decision. Like all of us, the emotion of the game sometimes gets the best of us. I applaud him for understanding the spirit of the game and the kids that play it. He didn't have to make any changes, nor did he have to recind his decision. He is an example of a referee who understands and cares for the game ... Not just a paycheck.

[theozone]

Thanks soccoach for the explanation....BUT even if the player was carded for "excessive celebration" in high school that is a "soft" red and carries a 2 game suspension...how did the ref in question get around that issue.

I agree that I like the USSF rules better, but isn't the ref required to follow the rules for the match that he is officiating...at some point I believe you begin to erode the integrity of the game

[soccoachcincy]

Again, I believe that we are all getting caught up in semantics. I am not sure whether the original ruling was excessive celebration, taunting, the player leaving the field without permission, etc. Regardless, in the end, he made the correct decision in this particular situation. The botton line is that no one was hurt and we can all move on ... Summit won the match and Seven Hills beat Summit the next match.

[theozone]

That's Great...so is every team now going to get a do over when the referee has "buyer's remorse"

I agree that in high school the penalties are a bit severe, but when referees make calls during the course of the game I don't think they can then go back after the final whistle and change their minds. That is just crazy, if he made the call during the game, live with the call...

By the way the call by rule had to be taunting, Summit played a man down.

[soccerdad]

This past spring,my son received a questionable yellow on a 50/50 ball with the goalie early in the game.Later in the game,he also received a yellow for a 50/50 ball with the goalie.Mind you these were both headballs no feet involved.Play continued until the other team pointed out the 2 yellows and he was sent off the field.MRL this is also a game sus.But after the game the ref. realized that a red was not warranted and pulled it.This I think was fair,concidering he made a mistake in pulling the 2nd yellow.

[SCD_Fan]

Let it go ...

[theozone]

The difference in this case Soccerdad is if the ref did in fact change his mind and decided it was excessive celebration and not taunting (and he clearly called taunting that night at Mariemont) the player would STILL have been ineligible to play in the next contest under High school rules. Rules are rules...didn't anyone bother to look them up

How 'bout it Soref?

[CintiRef3]

I've seen some great posting on this topic. Seems that everyone is looking to better understand the exact rule on excessive celebration. Unlike other rules such as offside's, there is some referee discretion on this topic. The scenarios are unlimited too. Not only have referee's posted replies to this topic, I've seen some great coaches jump in too. In fact, I'm going to recommend that this exact topic be discussed at the next referee state meeting.

Everyone knows that unsportsmanlike behavior has been a hot topic with HS sports and the state is trying to get things under control.

Cincysoccercoach hit it on the head by understanding that the official has a proven track record and knows the game. I'm sure this CR has replayed this event a million times over and probably still wondering if he made the right call (especially after reading all of these posts) We need to keep guys like him around, so maybe we can close this issue and move on.

Coaches / players and officials - Good luck with the upcoming tourney and see you on the field soon.

[theozone]

cintiref3 and soccoachcincy,

I was at the game and I know the ref did an excellent job...as did the players and the coaches. That doesn't change the fact that even after changing a call after the game...a big no no in my book...the rule was applied incorrectly.

Did the Summit coach not bother to look up the rule and notice that his player should sit out 2 games for excessive celebration.

I've been reading this thread all along and also thought excessive celebration was a yellow (as it is in USSF), but Soref informed us of the High School rule back on 9/29....

You are right the ref did a great job...but it would help if folks (coaches included) would check rule books before changing calls...Soref certainly was aware of the rule and its application...why wasn't anyone else

So yes, I'll close this issue and move on Cintiref3...

[msas]

cintiref3 and soccoachcincy,

I was at the game and I know the ref did an excellent job...as did the players and the coaches. That doesn't change the fact that even after changing a call after the game...a big no no in my book...the rule was applied incorrectly.

Did the Summit coach not bother to look up the rule and notice that his player should sit out 2 games for excessive celebration.

I've been reading this thread all along and also thought excessive celebration was a yellow (as it is in USSF), but Soref informed us of the High School rule back on 9/29....

You are right the ref did a great job...but it would help if folks (coaches included) would check rule books before changing calls...Soref certainly was aware of the rule and its application...why wasn't anyone else

So yes, I'll close this issue and move on Cintiref3...

I was at the game also. The rules clearly state that the player should sit the next 2 matches for the red card ejection. Even if the referee "changed his mind" after the match and decided that it was excessive celebration rather than taunting.
The issue I see with this entire scenario is that the referee, no matter how good a job he did was totally derelict in his duties by not reporting the send off to the state. This is a large part of what gives HS officials a bad name.

[mhswarriors83]

I always thought that anyone leaving the field of play to celebrate would be carded. If this is true shouldn't have every team member that was on the field at the time and left the field been carded?

[soccerfan40]

What the CR did was wrong. I am hoping that the state doesn't catch wind of this. I don't know what they would do, but I would hope that they wouldn't require the kid from Summit to sit out at a later date. Just because the CR didn't file with the state doesn't mean the kid should sit out. The rule is the rule and it should be followed. The CR should learn from what happened but what he did was wrong. Summit of course was not wanting him suspended because they were playing 7 Hills, but if it would have been NCH or St. Bernard or a team that they would beat very easily it might not have been a big deal.

I know that the AR on the game has been talked as well. Learning from this incident is just as important as these refs move forward so they don't make the same call in another big match with this much enthusiasm.

[american football]

How was the rest of the game?

This was a closely contested game between 2 teams that have a shot at the State championship.

[cincysoccercoach]

soccerfan40 if you want your pound of flesh know that the goal scored in the 1 -0 Seven Hills win was an own goal off the foot of the Summit player that was given the red card for excessive celebration/taunting.

There can you all let it go!!!

[theozone]

LOL....Karma's a B----!