Milford 1 Mason 1

[cross464]

Mason had slight edge in first half, Milford dominated second half. Milford scored with 3 mins left off free kick. Mason then scored with 10 seconds left off a long free kick (from almost mid-field). Overall, evenly matched game with Milford having a decided advantage in second half.

[the og]

who scored the goals?

[Hugesoccerfan]

Of Milford's 14 shots, I would have to say 8 were set up very nicely by the center ref. Although as a former licensed ref, I usually do not criticize those guys, I could not understand A LOT of the second half calls. Before you call me a "homer", I was the first to say when Mason lost to Elder in the playoffs last year by a PK in the box, it WAS a foul. Questionable examples, striker for Mason taken out from behind at the legs on a breakaway, no card. A Milford player yells "God @###" as loud as he can and no card (actually a friendly pat on the back and counseling at half from the center ref), striker from Milford throws an elbow at the Mason sweeper to the head (no call - this is while he seemed to call Mason every time, properly, if they went over the top on a header), a Mason outside mid gets an arm around his back and thrown into the bleachers (no call). After Milford goal late in game, 15 seconds are allowed to come off clock (no adjustment). After the Mason goal with 5 seconds to go, clock is reset BACK to 10 seconds. As a usually objective fan, after a while you just have to scratch your head and say, "hmmm". Calls in the second half were about 3 to 1 for Milford. First half they (the calls) were equally bad. One corner to Mason not deserved, one corner to Milford that I don't know what game the ref was watching, but it was a breakaway with a defender that slipped. Milford missed bad on shot wide and the ref calls a corner for Milford. I was flabbergasted at all the bad calls. I thought without that center ref, you have a Mason win.

[Hugesoccerfan]

Oh, and I almost forgot, Milford player actually comes up to Sparks, the goalie for Mason, with five seconds left, knocks the ball out of his hands physically and shots it while Sparks has possession out of frustration (again, ref turns back and walks away).

[Schweinsteiger09]

Mason in my opinion dominated the first 55-60 minutes but then Milford started winning the battle in the air and Mason was on its heels for the remainder of the game. This game shows that if the Milford midfield is shut down like it was, the mason midfield did a good job throughout the majority of the game, then i think milford isnt as good as everyone thinks they are. Not saying mason is number one but i think Milford can definately be beaten. Milford was very frustrated with themeselves throughout the game. If a team could score on Milford first then i think their team will just implode. Contrast to Milford, youve got to give MAson credit for coming back with less than a minute to play and score. They are a team that will keep playing and not waste time yelling at each other. Overall the game was amazing, and i was really surprised by the lack of press coverage. I remember last year this game had a whole page about it.

[Hugesoccerfan]

One more thing, those throw ins by Peter Michelson for Milford are insane. He could get a scholarship just for his throw in ability. When the ball was near the goal line, Mason fans were almost hoping for the corner kick because his throws might be better than a corner.

[Schweinsteiger09]

Also the ref was very confusing at times. He would miss what seemed to be very obvious calls, and then call fouls that were just hustle plays, On both sides. There were a couple of clean tackles that were called fouls especially in the midfield and there were what seemed like obvious calls near the box that were ignored. I guess this ref just wouldn't call tough fouls on the defensive side of the ball. Overall the ref was alot better than most Cincy refs but still it was good that the soft foul he called on Mason on the left side of the box that Milford scored on didnt determine the game.

[cross464]

There were questionable calls in this game against both teams, and in the end, they did not effect the score. For one, not putting 5 seconds back on the clock after Milford's score, and then putting 5 seconds on the clock after Mason's score had no impact on the game (although I don't see why it was not done). Other calls in my view were about even. I dont know who scored the goals; for Milford, the score was off a throw-in by Ben Jones.

[Schweinsteiger09]

I wasnt sure who scored the milford goal becacause there were so many people in the box, it might have been an own goal/deflection but for mason: Zach Patterson scored a header off an almost 50yd ball served in.

[Schweinsteiger09]

That guy who can throw it in has double jointed shoulders or something thats what i heard. Hes probably going to have major arthritis when he gets older, he threw the ball in almost 20 times this game, who knows what his average is

[Hugesoccerfan]

The score for Milford was off a tripping call over on the coaches side. It looked like from the fans side it was feet getting mixed up, both players went down scrambling for a loose ball, the call going against Mason from about 30 yards out. Schweinsteiger refers to the call above as the "soft call". I thought it should have been an obvious "no call". When players go down in soccer, there always isn't a foul.

[cross464]

The much-more noticebale non-call was the kick-back from the Mason defense that their goalie picked up. That should have been a Milford free kick. That was in clear sight, not on the other side of the field.

[Hugesoccerfan]

The much-more noticebale non-call was the kick-back from the Mason defense that their goalie picked up. That should have been a Milford free kick. That was in clear sight, not on the other side of the field.

That was a clear deflection and Koutney knows the rules. It was not a "kick".

[Messi]

Before you call me a "homer", I was the first to say when Mason lost to Elder in the playoffs last year by a PK in the box, it WAS a foul.


It was not a PK, it was a free kick.

[cross464]

Not from where I was sitting.

[Hugesoccerfan]

It was not a PK, it was a free kick.

You are right. I stand corrected. My point being when Elder won that game, I thought they outplayed Mason and their coach out coached Mason's coach. They (Elder) deserved to win.

As far as the deflection being a kick, I haven't seen many kicks while up in the air turned sideways off of shinguards, but if you say so, we have to agree to disagree....

[msnsoccer05]

your crazy if u think that deflection off of the mason guy was an intentional pass back...also ben jones did not have that goal for Milford...he took the kick to set up the goal but he himself didnt score it...does anyone know who did?

[WHITE SHOES 07]

I happen to make it to this game myself. Great game by the players on both sides, to bad they didn't decide the outcome. Mason & Patterson clearly dominated the first half. Jones & Grothaus were shut down. Both teams are extremely quick. The Ref was clearly in over his head. He would make a bad call and then try to make up for it on the next call or the call after that. He was to inconsistent. Mickelson, Heurkamp & Jones stepped it up the second half and put Milford back into the game. The ending was as bizarre as anything I've ever seen. From where I was standing the foul on Milford to set up the tying goal was called the wrong way and it should have been Milford's ball. Again it was all so fast and confusing I'm not really sure what happened. Beautifully placed ball to tie the game. I would like to know if anyone filmed the game and would happen to have a copy. The venue Milford put together was top notch and the fans from both teams were equally as good. Maybe they get to play again ?????

[Truegamer13]

Ive had the pleasure of seeing a lot of games this year but Mason's defense is by far the best I've seen. They really stopped a lot of opportunities from a Milford team which is probably the best attacking team in the city. So hats off to them. This was a great game played by two great teams. Hopefully there will be a rematch!

[phatneff]

I'm curious to know who the ref was for that game. Does anybody have a name?

[cross464]

No, you are crazy if you think I said Ben Jones scored the goal. Go back and read my post...slowly. Then read it again....Did you see the part where I said I do not know who scored the goals?

And ok, if you think the Milford goal was based on a bad call, fine. I'll agree that you could make the call from across the field and at the Mason end of the stands (i.e., at the opposite end to where the call was made). By the way, who scored for Milford? I imagine you saw that too?? Was it a header? In the air? On the ground? Did Mason kick it in?

Glad to see someone thinks the Mason free kick that led to the score was based on a blown call.

I do not know who the ref was, and if I did, I would not say his name here. Those inquiries should be handled elsewhere.

[Schweinsteiger09]

cross:
you said, "I dont know who scored the goals; for Milford, the score was off a throw-in by Ben Jones."
That is confusing whatever it is supposed to mean.

I did not see the milford foul which led to the mason goal but a ref is more likely to call a picky foul on the midline, where the goal is almost 50 yards away, then a ref is to call a picky foul a couple yards outside the corner of the box.
There are plenty of blown calls in the midfield, to say that was the reason why mason scored is ridiculous, mason scored because a good ball(50 yds out) was delivered and patterson was the first to head it. But it seems more reasonable to blame a questionable call for a goal when the ball is given in the offensive third, than it is to blame a questionable call for a goal when the ball is given on the midline.

[Hugesoccerfan]

I happen to make it to this game myself. Great game by the players on both sides, to bad they didn't decide the outcome. Mason & Patterson clearly dominated the first half. Jones & Grothaus were shut down. Both teams are extremely quick. The Ref was clearly in over his head. He would make a bad call and then try to make up for it on the next call or the call after that. He was to inconsistent. Mickelson, Heurkamp & Jones stepped it up the second half and put Milford back into the game. The ending was as bizarre as anything I've ever seen. From where I was standing the foul on Milford to set up the tying goal was called the wrong way and it should have been Milford's ball. Again it was all so fast and confusing I'm not really sure what happened. Beautifully placed ball to tie the game. I would like to know if anyone filmed the game and would happen to have a copy. The venue Milford put together was top notch and the fans from both teams were equally as good. Maybe they get to play again ?????

Part of the confusing calls stemmed from the center ref holding up his right arm, indicating an indirect kick. He confused Mason in the first half because he was pointing toward their goal with his arm but the ball was being taken by Milford (the opposite direction of his arm). He meant indirect kick, not an arm to indicate direction of the kick. This confused Mason twice in the first half and Milford on the tying goal. He held up his right arm to indicate indirect, Milford went to take the kick (just like Mason had in the first half) and then the ref yelled it was green kick. He should have indicated direction, then if he was going to raise his arm for indirect, do that later. It was very confusing but I heard him in the first half yell to a Mason player that his arm was indicating an indirect kick. Something positive I should have mentioned was this was a great venue and the Milford boosters put on a great day overall. Nothing against Milford players at all, they are an outstanding team and they did dominate the second half overall. But the center ref influenced the game way more than a ref should ever. The best refs are invisible.

[phatneff]

I'm curious to know who the ref was for that game. Does anybody have a name?

Let me rephrase this for those who don't know much about message boards:

I'm curious to know who the ref was for that game. If anybody knows who it was, please send me a PM (private message) by clicking on my username from my post and selecting "Send a private message to phatneff".

[cross464]

Let us know what you find out Phatneff, interested to hear your follow-up on this and next steps. Apologies, I assumed you would be able to get this name easily somewhere else, that you would not to get it off this board.

[phatneff]

Let us know what you find out Phatneff, interested to hear your follow-up on this and next steps. Apologies, I assumed you would be able to get this name easily somewhere else, that you would not to get it off this board.

I probably can. I may just call the assignor and see who it was. He assigns the GMC, so he will definitely know.

I was just wondering if anyone caught the name as the announcer mentioned it prior to the game.

[phatneff]

Ok, I found out. He is part of a five-man crew that usually does all of their games together is some sort of combination. He is usually a pretty decent referee, at least from the few times that I've seen him or worked with him, so I don't know what happened that night.

[msnsoccer05]

To be honest I really didn't feel like the ref was that bad...he missed some calls and might have made a few questionable ones but they can't all be right...The ref on the players sidelines in my opinion was the worst

[phatneff]

The ref on the players sidelines in my opinion was the worst

That one I can't help you with, as I wasn't there to know who was on which side. Though I do know all of them, and I can see why you would probably think so depending on who it was. But in my professional opinion, the majority of them were qualified to be assigned to that game.

[cross464]

Thanks Phatneff for following up and providing the input. To be honest, I did notice confusion on the players/fans part a number of times, where it was not clear who had possessionl or was being called. My view was that the debatable calls went both ways.

[ssoocceerr]

Ok, I found out. He is part of a five-man crew that usually does all of their games together is some sort of combination. He is usually a pretty decent referee, at least from the few times that I've seen him or worked with him, so I don't know what happened that night.
Can you PM the name?

[phatneff]

I honestly forgot already. I'll probably get it tomorrow when i get home.