Double Yellow = Red rule

[MajorFan]

Ok. High school game. Non-conference match. Saw a kid get his second yellow card of the game and the red card. However, his team was allowed to sub in for him and have a full team on the field. Later in the game, the same team had a kid get a straight red card and they played down a man for the rest of the contest.

The opposing team's parents were yelling that the other team should have had to play a man down after the double yellow.

Can someone explain to me what the correct ruling is and then provide a link so I can explain to other people?

TIA.

[phatneff]

That is the correct ruling. A yellow card is a yellow card. Two yellow cards = a red card, but since the second infraction was still only a "minor" offense, a substitute is allowed for the disqualified player.

A straight red card is a "major" offense, which is an automatic ejection and no substitution.

[roadrunner15151]

also...if a player gets a double yellow there is no suspension
if the player gets a red, a two game suspension is put in place.

[dubayuw]

two yellow cards = a red card
a red card = playing a man down
two yellow cards = subbed out

^^^^dumbest rules ever, why cant we play like the rest of the world?

[shs_soccaholic]

but in a madeira-shs game in '06, templeton got two yellows but was still allowed to play through the rest of the game...how does this happen?

[COFan]

two yellow cards = a red card
a red card = playing a man down
two yellow cards = subbed out

^^^^dumbest rules ever, why cant we play like the rest of the world?


red/yellow = two yellows for subbing and playing in next game

[soref]

red/yellow = two yellows for subbing and playing in next game

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Not sure what you are saying?????

[phatneff]

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Not sure what you are saying?????

Rule 12.8.2

A yellow/red card is essentially the same as 2 yellow cards in that the player who receives the yellow/red (soft red) can be subbed for and is allowed to play in the next game.

[phatneff]

but in a madeira-shs game in '06, templeton got two yellows but was still allowed to play through the rest of the game...how does this happen?

good question. ref's mistake.

[phatneff]

two yellow cards = a red card
a red card = playing a man down
two yellow cards = subbed out

^^^^dumbest rules ever, why cant we play like the rest of the world?

These aren't the only rules that aren't like the rest of the world. For some reason, the NFHS and the NISOA will not conform to USSF/FIFA.

[soref]

Rule 12.8.2

A yellow/red card is essentially the same as 2 yellow cards in that the player who receives the yellow/red (soft red) can be subbed for and is allowed to play in the next game.

Ah, that's what he was saying.
Didin't quite understand what was trying to be said with the way that it was phrased.

[phatneff]

Ah, that's what he was saying.
Didin't quite understand what was trying to be said with the way that it was phrased.

I speak Jive. :)

[theozone]

Players who receive "soft reds" can be subbed for and allowed to play in the next contest....unless that "soft red" was given for "excessive celebration" as we yappsters all reviewed last week.

It WOULD be helpful if the high school just played by USSF rules...many coaches don't know the NFHS rules

[SCD_Fan]

Dude ... Let it go ...

[phatneff]

Players who receive "soft reds" can be subbed for and allowed to play in the next contest....unless that "soft red" was given for "excessive celebration" as we yappsters all reviewed last week.

It WOULD be helpful if the high school just played by USSF rules...many coaches don't know the NFHS rules

Incorrect. "Excessive celebration" is only a "soft red" and can be subbed for (or play a man down if you elect to) and the offender can play the next game. "Taunting" is a straight red card.

If the coaches don't know the NFHS rules, then they shouldn't be coaching. It is their job to know the rules of the association in which you are playing. And that is exactly why there is so much b.tching by the coaches......because they don't know the NFHS rules.

[Compton]

As a high school referee I can vouch for the fact that many high school coaches (particularly at the JV level) have not familiarized themselves with the NFHS rules.

When a person decides to becomes a referee there are classes to be taken, annual tests to be taken, and a minimum number of meetings to attend in which formal education on game management, rule interpretations, and group discussion occurs.

When a coach needs a JV coach, he/she typically hires the first college grad they can find and hands them a clipboard. The difference in preparation is frustrating.

As for the difference in rules - every sport has different rules at different levels. It is result of the difference in focus. For high school sprts is to be an extension of the class room with a focus on sportsmanship and personal growth. You may not see it on many soccer fields but that is the model.

The biggest rule difference is the unlimited substitution. Can you really see high school adopting limited substitution?

As for the soft red - it helps tremendously with game management. Prior to the establishment of the soft red there was a great reluctance on referees to handout the second yellow because the penalty was so large (2 games out of a 16 game season). As a result, one of the tools to control the game was not being used. The penalty for a soft red is not nearly as severe and as a result it is more often utilized.

[msas]

Incorrect. "Excessive celebration" is only a "soft red" and can be subbed for (or play a man down if you elect to) and the offender can play the next game. "Taunting" is a straight red card.

If the coaches don't know the NFHS rules, then they shouldn't be coaching. It is their job to know the rules of the association in which you are playing. And that is exactly why there is so much b.tching by the coaches......because they don't know the NFHS rules.

If a "soft red" for excessive celebration is issued by the referee, the team is permitted to play with 11 but the player must still sit the next 2 matches. The referee must still file paperowrk with the school and state.
Reference 2008 soccer manual for coaches and officials page 11.

[theozone]

Phatneff....the "soft red" for "excessive celebration" was covered in the Summit vs. Mariemont thread....

[phatneff]

Yes, I stand corrected. I apologize for that. I was combining the soft red with the double-yellow. Thank God I have never had to issue the soft red, or else I would have probably not have filed a report!