Top 20 HS players

[detailoriented]

I would like to know who the top 20 high school soccer players in Cincinnati and the surrounding area are. Please indicate school, name or number, and position.

[ssoocceerr]

Not you :)

[soccerdad]

very subjective ! high school,club or both.

[detailoriented]

Some seem to think that I'm a player. I'm not. I would hope players would have better things to do then sniper each other on a site like this.

Now to answer soccer dad...I was hoping to get some insight into HS aged players regardless of venue. This would help me in the recruiting process.

Thanks for the help.

[jackhammer19]

I'll give you one....

Luke Spencer

Winton Woods HS

Not sure of his exact position but he plays on offense up top.

[jackhammer19]

here's another....

Mitch White

Mariemont HS

another top notch offensive player

[Sparky]

Graham Schaeper
very good player on a weak
Mt. Healthy Team this year

[chris kuramoto]

me

[therealPele]

me

For Sure.

[Talawanda86]

Chris bailer of Talawanda. He had a hat trick the other night. And he's only a sophmore

[CanIKickit]

Yep. Absolutely.

[FUTBOOOL]

me

lols at you my friend. oh so max you think you're one of the best?

[Bobinho00]

Ben Jones and Ryan Grothaus from Milford

[Deeeeeeeee]

ryan lavigne-sycamore, kc weddle-colerain, luke spencer-winton woods, zach patterson-mason, dan dwyre-summit, mike fink-seven hills, eric nock-walnut hills, ben jones-milford, steve schaefer-elder, mitch deyhle-la salle
Definitely not Chris Kuramoto

[Eagles21]

Ben Jones and Ryan Grothaus from Milford.

[eplfan87]

Here are mine (in no order):

Zach Patterson (Mason)
Dan Dwyer (Summit)
Ben Jones (Milford)
Mitch White (Mariemont)
Michael Rakoczy (Finneytown)
Ryan Lavigne (Sycamore)
Michael Fink (Seven Hills)
Luke Spencer (Winton Woods)
Joel Ritz (Fairfield)
Casey Weddle (Colerain)
Eric Nach (Walnut Hills)
Mitch Dehyle (LaSalle)
Jordan Grant (Mason)
Charlie Brinn (Indian Hill)
Danny Haberer (Milford)
Steven Schaefer (Elder)
Tyler Heurkamp (Milford)
Alex Priede (Summit)
Dylan Hoop (Cincinnati Christian)
Michael Brizzi (Loveland)

(Keepers)

Austin Morgan (Colerain)
Tommy George (Milford)
Sean Teepen (Oak Hills)

[detailoriented]

I can't get out to see everyone, but names that I hear again and agian on here and through other sources will be followed up. I realize the season is young and some of the responses may be based on last year, (the halo effect) so I will also be checking the various websites for statistics on offensive players and keepers. I'll have to check on the defenders the old fashioned way.

Thanks again.

[MiddieMagic12]

I got one for you and you might laugh but its a Middletown player. Keeper Chad Johnson is doing very well this year.

[soccerizdabest]

what about columbus/dayton?

[radar10]

You have to add The Human Flea from Milford too. Soph. Sensation!

[soccerdad]

I kind of felt this would be the type of list that would show up.All good players
but from the typical big schools.It would be very easy to put a top 33 together for each age group.Just Take the top 3 teams(club) in each age
u17,u18. For example-u17 Kolping,Cup,OE.Almost all the forwards on these teams are either leading or top3 in each of there conf.Heck,some of them were leading scorers as sophs.Defensive players get left out because there not a cool stat to compare.Just a couple
CJ-FF
AT-pri.
JS-RB
There are many more.Good thread though

[ssoocceerr]

I can't get out to see everyone, but names that I hear again and agian on here and through other sources will be followed up. I realize the season is young and some of the responses may be based on last year, (the halo effect) so I will also be checking the various websites for statistics on offensive players and keepers. I'll have to check on the defenders the old fashioned way.

Thanks again.

So what school are you recruiting for?

[cincysoccer2006]

Michael Fink Seven Hills
Dan Dwyer Summit
Austin Morgan Colerain
Michael Rackozy Finneytown
Zach Patterson Mason
Michael Brizzi Loveland
Ryan Lavine Sycamore (already committed to UC)
others too but im lazy and in class and the teacher is staring at me

[westside80]

Here are mine (in no order):

Zach Patterson (Mason)
Dan Dwyer (Summit)
Ben Jones (Milford)
Mitch White (Mariemont)
Michael Rakoczy (Finneytown)
Ryan Lavigne (Sycamore)
Michael Fink (Seven Hills)
Luke Spencer (Winton Woods)
Joel Ritz (Fairfield)
Casey Weddle (Colerain)
Eric Nach (Walnut Hills)
Mitch Dehyle (LaSalle)
Jordan Grant (Mason)
Charlie Brinn (Indian Hill)
Danny Haberer (Milford)
Steven Schaefer (Elder)
Tyler Heurkamp (Milford)
Alex Priede (Summit)
Dylan Hoop (Cincinnati Christian)
Michael Brizzi (Loveland)

(Keepers)

Austin Morgan (Colerain)
Tommy George (Milford)
Sean Teepen (Oak Hills)

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Steven Schaefer (Elder) seriously? Nice guy but seems in effective to me this season? Sean Teepen? not seeing that either......doesn't seem like a team player.....stands with the coaching staff and doesn't even get into his team huddle? Mitch Dehyle (LaSalle) agree 100% his change in speed is awesome. Ryan Grothaus (Milford) WoW!!! How about Jason Krummen (Taylor)? Andrew Jacob (X) - Michael Rakoczy (Finneytown) Danny Haberer (Milford) all having great seasons so far!

[detailoriented]

I work for an agency not a school. I get a commission if I find and place players (not just soccer) similar to a "head hunter" for employment. There are a lot of people like me out there. We look for the hidden gems. The people that might not get seen by the college scouts. If the scouts can find someone real easily, they don't need my kind. But they will pay, if I can prove my case and a kid has good grades to go along with talent, etc. I disagree with the belief that you have to play for one of the elite clubs (in any sport) to be found. There are often times kids without money or in circumstances that prevent them from having the best of everything for their sport that end up running rings around those who have the big reputations. Also, there is the maturity factor. Some kids peak as Sophomores in HS but never get past 5' 6" and others that will grow 5" senior year and gain 30 lbs Freshman uear in colleg Potential is key. Some late blummers end up running rings around the early blummers when they get to college. There is a lot to consider and I can tell by reading a lot of posts on here that many don't have a clue.
There ya have it.

[the og]

i'm still not buyin it. a professional wouldn't come on a site made for players and fans to recruit. and as for the whole height thing i dont know where you were going at it with that. some of the better players in the city this year for all divisions are shorter. ex. casey weddle, zach moss, danny dwyre, danny haberer, ryan grothaus. i dont know how your clients take you seriously when you tell them you found them on the internet

[Messi]

Here are mine (in no order):

Zach Patterson (Mason)
Dan Dwyer (Summit)
Ben Jones (Milford)
Mitch White (Mariemont)
Michael Rakoczy (Finneytown)
Ryan Lavigne (Sycamore)
Michael Fink (Seven Hills)
Luke Spencer (Winton Woods)
Joel Ritz (Fairfield)
Casey Weddle (Colerain)
Eric Nach (Walnut Hills)
Mitch Dehyle (LaSalle)
Jordan Grant (Mason)
Charlie Brinn (Indian Hill)
Danny Haberer (Milford)
Steven Schaefer (Elder)
Tyler Heurkamp (Milford)
Alex Priede (Summit)
Dylan Hoop (Cincinnati Christian)
Michael Brizzi (Loveland)

(Keepers)

Austin Morgan (Colerain)
Tommy George (Milford)
Sean Teepen (Oak Hills)

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Steven Schaefer (Elder) seriously? Nice guy but seems in effective to me this season? Sean Teepen? not seeing that either......doesn't seem like a team player.....stands with the coaching staff and doesn't even get into his team huddle? Mitch Dehyle (LaSalle) agree 100% his change in speed is awesome. Ryan Grothaus (Milford) WoW!!! How about Jason Krummen (Taylor)? Andrew Jacob (X) - Michael Rakoczy (Finneytown) Danny Haberer (Milford) all having great seasons so far!

THE reason why steve schaefer seems "ineffective" is because he has no one playing around him. I think any player who takes on 3 and 4 defenders and is successful numerous times in a game with no supporting cast is excellent. Especially when the defenders know he's going to dribble. His only problem is he cannot finish. Last season he had anthony meyer to work with and had 15 or so assists and 13 goals. Good enough for me.

Teepen keeps oak hills in games. I don't care if he's not a team player, the topic is the best 20HS players. If you get recruited by UK, you're good.

[team4ever]

I work for an agency not a school. I get a commission if I find and place players (not just soccer) similar to a "head hunter" for employment. There are a lot of people like me out there. We look for the hidden gems. The people that might not get seen by the college scouts. If the scouts can find someone real easily, they don't need my kind. But they will pay, if I can prove my case and a kid has good grades to go along with talent, etc. I disagree with the belief that you have to play for one of the elite clubs (in any sport) to be found. There are often times kids without money or in circumstances that prevent them from having the best of everything for their sport that end up running rings around those who have the big reputations. Also, there is the maturity factor. Some kids peak as Sophomores in HS but never get past 5' 6" and others that will grow 5" senior year and gain 30 lbs Freshman uear in colleg Potential is key. Some late blummers end up running rings around the early blummers when they get to college. There is a lot to consider and I can tell by reading a lot of posts on here that many don't have a clue.
There ya have it.

Thursday at East Central High School in Indiana--you can see "unsung heroes"-plus a good game against their border rival-Harrison (more "unsung heroes")

[detailoriented]

Don't really care what you buy. Not trying to sell you anything. But as far as what I said about size. All things created equal being speed, skill, strength, brains, etc. Size will matter. I'm not saying you have to be 6' 3" but 5' 10" to 6' is ideal. Go on some college sites and look at the rosters. Let me know how many guys you see under 5' 8".

[cincysoccer2006]

well sir you are the one asking for the top 20 players not unsung heroes. maybe you should get better at your job

[WHITE SHOES 07]

Don't really care what you buy. Not trying to sell you anything. But as far as what I said about size. All things created equal being speed, skill, strength, brains, etc. Size will matter. I'm not saying you have to be 6' 3" but 5' 10" to 6' is ideal. Go on some college sites and look at the rosters. Let me know how many guys you see under 5' 8".

detailoriented,
Your a fraud, stop the BS. Any GOOD recruiter would just pick up the phone and call either a couple of High School coaches or Club coaches. A little biased but still truthful about all the players they see. My guess would be that your a parent or "pine rider" from another GCL school. What is your infatuation with Lasalle and St.X? The GCL is down this year, Elder had a great run last year. And your 5'8" comment ... ever hear of a guy named Chris Rolfe from Dayton now with the Chicago Fire, he is 5'8". How about starting a new thread around 7:30 tonight .. my guess would be that you can't due to the fact that both Lasalle and X will be playing. By the way what name do you use when on the football, volleyball, girls soccer etc. sites? Don't see you listed anywhere.Most agencies have a web site .. what's yours?

[detailoriented]

Actually you're right. I won't be posting a thread on here tonight at 7. I will be at the Mason vs. Colerain game.

You named one guy 5' 8" . Wow.....you got me. I guess there are always exceptions.

I don't know where you get the idea that I have a thing for LaSalle or St. Xavier although I did graduate from X. it's pretty obvious you are an Elder parent. You probably were a "pine rider" in your day. And they probably were made of pine waaaaay back then.

Also. if you notice my posts are throughout the day when kids would be in school. How do you know if I'm talking to coaches all day long? Oh, that's right. You know everything. Including what names I might use.

Last thing. I think the YWCA has anger management classes on Wednesday nights.

[westside80]

THE reason why steve schaefer seems "ineffective" is because he has no one playing around him. I think any player who takes on 3 and 4 defenders and is successful numerous times in a game with no supporting cast is excellent. Especially when the defenders know he's going to dribble. His only problem is he cannot finish. Last season he had anthony meyer to work with and had 15 or so assists and 13 goals. Good enough for me.

Teepen keeps oak hills in games. I don't care if he's not a team player, the topic is the best 20HS players. If you get recruited by UK, you're good.

Really "no supporting cast"? Wow Chad Thorton, Kris Zwergel, Jimmy Hice ???
"He can't finsih"? Isn't that a problem when you're a forward? Yes this is the best 20 HS players forum......being best means all-around! Maybe it's Huff & Marshall that keep OH in games?

[cincysoccer2006]

so detail oriented, since you are being paid on commission, if we give you someone to watch and they get recruited how much do we get?

[floridafutboler08]

Don't really care what you buy. Not trying to sell you anything. But as far as what I said about size. All things created equal being speed, skill, strength, brains, etc. Size will matter. I'm not saying you have to be 6' 3" but 5' 10" to 6' is ideal. Go on some college sites and look at the rosters. Let me know how many guys you see under 5' 8".

Big East

UC (2) Andrew Myton (5'7") Mark Konitsch (5'7")

Marquette (2) Matt Stummer (5'7") Peter Hyde (5'6")

UCONN (3) Oscar Castillo (5'7") Mike Pezza (5'7") Ryan Stinnett (5'7")

Louisville (1) Luis Pacheco-Marin (5'6")

DePaul (2) Scott Freundlich (5'6") John Kornfeld (5'7")


BIG 10

Ohio State (3) Schmidt, Michael(5'6")Sisman, Julian (5'6") Sprauer, Sam(5'8")

Indiana University (3) Kevin Alston (5'8") Cameron Jordan (5'8") Neil Wilmarth (5'7")

Michigan State (2) Cyrus Saydee (5'6") Ben Pirmann (5'7")

Northwestern (2) Mark Blades (5'6") Lucas Swertloff (5'6")


Pac-10/Big West

UCLA (5) Jason Leopoldo (5'7") Eder Arreola (5'6") Tomer Konowiecki (5'7") Daren Flitcroft (5'7") Zac Rothman (5'7")

UCSB (2) Machael David (5'7") Danny Barrera (5'7")

UCI (4) J.T. Terrazas (5'7") Irving Garcia (5'5") Syd Tom (5'7") D.J. Vigil (5'6")


....well here is what i found and these were the first places i looked, haha kinda blows a huge hole into that theory

[cincysports4]

Really "no supporting cast"? Wow Chad Thorton, Kris Zwergel, Jimmy Hice ???
"He can't finsih"? Isn't that a problem when you're a forward? Yes this is the best 20 HS players forum......being best means all-around! Maybe it's Huff & Marshall that keep OH in games?

Please stop right there. Huff and Marshall? Nooooo wayyyy!! Teepen is the only hope Oak Hills has from keeping goals from coming in.

[ssoocceerr]

So why should we work for free for a head hunter?
Why should we help some one that is looking too much at athletic ability over skill?

[cincysoccer2006]

^^^ im more interested int he working for free stuff.
i want a $50 check mailed to my residence ASAP

[Striker23]

Wow, some very defensive people over size and speed .. Any rational person would agree that given the same ability additional size is going to be an advantage ( is there actually a debate ??) . Whats the harm in stating who you think can play the game regardless of size ....if they are smaller and good they will make it !! come see any of the top Cincy team plays each other and you will see who can play at the next level and who can only play when its a scoring palooza.

[Gh1985]

You kids really should not pay too much attention to detialoriented.

He is probably the guy that got this job

http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/spa/817302249.html

Pretty soon parents of those that are mentioned here will start getting cold calls from some organization that promises they can place the kid in a college soccer program in exchange for $$

Those in the know realize that the recruiting process is much more than some adult coming onto a board out of nowhere, not knowing who the players are, asking for anonymous high school players responses and recommendations.

[soccerdad]

John Striker-6' 4", 210lb, 4.6 40--will play for food.

[cincysoccer2006]

i dont care about all this i want my money

[detailoriented]

Thank you. My point exactly. I happen to know many players who have been listed by these parents and/or kids. I agree with many, but some have very little ball handling skill and can do virtully nothing against solid defenders. They are great on their HS teams as they kick the ball out in front of them and outrun people. The best way to see who really has "skill" is in small sided games, 4 vs 4 etc. Although, you can have a lot of skill, but if you can't move forward quickly while using it, it might not do you all that much good except to free you up to make a pass. In summary....you need a good mix of everything. And if your lacking in one area, you better make it up in another. I'm glad ONE person on here (Striker 23) actually knows what they are talking about.

OK two. The person who posted the Craigs List comment gets kudos also. Remember, Tom brady would not have been found had his parents not sent video to every coach on the planet. How many super bowl rings does he have again?

White Shoes. Might want to go with "circus clown" for a screen name next time.

[Messi]

Really "no supporting cast"? Wow Chad Thorton, Kris Zwergel, Jimmy Hice ???
"He can't finsih"? Isn't that a problem when you're a forward? Yes this is the best 20 HS players forum......being best means all-around! Maybe it's Huff & Marshall that keep OH in games?

I'll give you Hice as a decent player, but nothing special and not enough to be considered a great supporting player. Chad Thorton is SLOW and lost up top. He has yet to do anything on the varisty squad or even hold a ball against a solid defender. Not only that, but he can't even buy time with his first touch to play a good ball. Zwergel...are you kidding? That kid didn't even play last year and can't even play sweep this year. He actually was placed down on JV from varsity last year.

According to Elder's website, Schaefer had 8 goals and 7 assists as a soph on varsity, 9 goals and 6 assists as a junior(I stand corrected on the 15 assists, that was Corbett).

Why can't he finish as a forward?? HE'S NOT A FORWARD!! As far as I know he plays center-mid for CUP. He is Elder's only hope of putting the ball in the back of the net and I bet they pray every game that the ball makes it to his feet up top. When they do stick him in the middle, he plays it to Thorton's feet and he loses it. Then they get countered and scored on because Zwergel can't even give proper depth at sweep or go into a solid tackle.

[soccerdad]

Hey undetailed, try a paper route.There's no way your making money at what
you say your doing now.You talk in circles.Good players play against good
players and perform period.The only solid opinions are good players talking
about other good players and the coach that puts you on the field with the
team of your choice.4v4 may help your skill level,but doesn't always reflect
your 11v11 full field ability. SEE YA!

[WHITE SHOES 07]

Thank you. My point exactly. I happen to know many players who have been listed by these parents and/or kids. I agree with many, but some have very little ball handling skill and can do virtully nothing against solid defenders. They are great on their HS teams as they kick the ball out in front of them and outrun people. The best way to see who really has "skill" is in small sided games, 4 vs 4 etc. Although, you can have a lot of skill, but if you can't move forward quickly while using it, it might not do you all that much good except to free you up to make a pass. In summary....you need a good mix of everything. And if your lacking in one area, you better make it up in another. I'm glad ONE person on here (Striker 23) actually knows what they are talking about.

OK two. The person who posted the Craigs List comment gets kudos also. Remember, Tom brady would not have been found had his parents not sent video to every coach on the planet. How many super bowl rings does he have again?

White Shoes. Might want to go with "circus clown" for a screen name next time.

derailed,
Your a ... nobody's buying any of your scam. Your not a recuiter, you watch the same 4 teams ( Lasalle, X, Colerain, Mason ). Last night there were 26 boys games, 23 girls games, & 32 volleyball games in the Cincy area alone and the BIG recuiter goes to see Colerain & Mason again !!! You claim to be new to the area on one thread and then claim to be a St.X grad on another. How delusional are you? Sister, St.X was here before roads were paved, it's not new. Now for you covering the midwest .. is that the area between I-74 & Kemper Rd or doesn't your Metro pass take you any farther ? Go back on recess and play some 4 v 4.

P.S. Don't forget your class tonight at the YMCA.

Signed "Circus Clown"

[reccos]

Hey undetailed, try a paper route.There's no way your making money at what
you say your doing now.You talk in circles.Good players play against good
players and perform period.The only solid opinions are good players talking
about other good players and the coach that puts you on the field with the
team of your choice.4v4 may help your skill level,but doesn't always reflect
your 11v11 full field ability. SEE YA!

Soccerdad,

Do you really think that you get "solid opinions" from players talking about each other? Don't you think alot of players/parents are biased? For example, all you talk about is Roger Bacon and Finneytown??? Hello!!! It's obvious either your kid goes to Roger Bacon or you are a kid that goes to Roger Bacon.

[soccerdad]

Notice I said good players.Second ,I never said parents.It's like fans voting
for allstars.I would rather be voted in by my fellow players.I also watch alot
of games.92 games this spring alone just counting my kids games.Relax

[SoccerAlum]

Roger Bacon? Finneytown? Hahahahahahahahahahaahah They are right up there with NCH and Withrow.

[SoccerAlum]

Zach Patterson (Mason)
Ben Jones (Milford)
Mitch White (Mariemont)
Kyle Smith (LaSalle)
Ryan Lavigne (Sycamore)
Luke Spencer (Winton Woods)
Casey Weddle (Colerain)
Eric Nach (Walnut Hills)
Mitch Dehyle (LaSalle)
Jordan Grant (Mason)
Danny Haberer (Milford)
Steven Schaefer (Elder)
Alex Priede (Summit)
Michael Brizzi (Loveland)
Jon Reynolds (LaKota East)
Joel Ritz (Fairfield)

[reccos]

Notice I said good players.Second ,I never said parents.It's like fans voting
for allstars.I would rather be voted in by my fellow players.I also watch alot
of games.92 games this spring alone just counting my kids games.Relax

All I'm saying is most of your post are about Roger Bacon . . . I never said you were a parent you did. . . . and players are not all biased either

[soccerdad]

Now why did you go and put your self on that list. Your good, but not that good.

[reccos]

Hey whiteshoes

Maybe you should stop listening to what other people say and start going to some games and seeing things for yourself. . for example

1. What Milford players were "hurt"? a sycamore fan told you only 75% - 80% were healthy?? I'm not aware of any hurt players on Milford.

2. the LaSalle player. . . have you ever seen him play. . . maybe before you make duragatory remarks about people you should first see them play.

3. LaSalle not a bad game "put a fork in them" were you at the game. Obviously you weren't. Team played great . . . goalie had a bad game. It happens.

[soccerdad]

Reccos-Hey it's all good.No big deal. Won.t be posting about bacon anymore,
there in more trouble now.

[soccerdad]

Why does one team dis the other.Players on a good team should be lucky they have a good group of players together.On any given day one good team
can beat another. PLAY ON !

[cincysoccer2006]

Pay Me My Money

[reccos]

Why does one team dis the other.Players on a good team should be lucky they have a good group of players together.On any given day one good team
can beat another. PLAY ON !

Agreed!

[westside80]

Please stop right there. Huff and Marshall? Nooooo wayyyy!! Teepen is the only hope Oak Hills has from keeping goals from coming in.

Yeah WAYYYYY - Huff and Marshall play tough back there (I forgot to mention Hertsenburg) I 'll say that they are over used maybe due to the small roster OH is keeping this season (16/17 players) they are tired in the end? but according to YOU teepen (cough) is there only hope ??? P L E A S E are you for real. Do you really believe the goalie holds that much in his hands? Like I said this was top 20 players - I would think the all around aspects of the player would be considered. He's not a team player - never has been. Gives up too easy. I'm glad he has a fan in you :)

[westside80]

I'll give you Hice as a decent player, but nothing special and not enough to be considered a great supporting player. Chad Thorton is SLOW and lost up top. He has yet to do anything on the varisty squad or even hold a ball against a solid defender. Not only that, but he can't even buy time with his first touch to play a good ball. Zwergel...are you kidding? That kid didn't even play last year and can't even play sweep this year. He actually was placed down on JV from varsity last year.

According to Elder's website, Schaefer had 8 goals and 7 assists as a soph on varsity, 9 goals and 6 assists as a junior(I stand corrected on the 15 assists, that was Corbett).

Why can't he finish as a forward?? HE'S NOT A FORWARD!! As far as I know he plays center-mid for CUP. He is Elder's only hope of putting the ball in the back of the net and I bet they pray every game that the ball makes it to his feet up top. When they do stick him in the middle, he plays it to Thorton's feet and he loses it. Then they get countered and scored on because Zwergel can't even give proper depth at sweep or go into a solid tackle.

Thank you for agreeing (sort of) on Hice . And I agree with your assesement of Thorton and Zwergel; but those guys do get Schaefer the ball and in my opinion Schaefer doens't give it the 100% needed to finish. Sure he has some impressive stats, somebody's got to put them in the net; looks like the game plan is pass it to Schaefer? Elder put him on a pedistal along time ago?
A little too high for me.

[westside80]

Why does one team dis the other.Players on a good team should be lucky they have a good group of players together.On any given day one good team
can beat another. PLAY ON !

Nicely put!!! I think the key is team --- people on here seem to really think that ONE player is a whole teams ONLY HOPE??? Perhaps when we stop thinking in that manner and realize that a team needs a good group of players to support each other and in that they will be successful as a team. When players or parents or recuiters begin putting that one player up on a pedestal the whole concept falls apart. Enough said? Play On!

[Messi]

Thank you for agreeing (sort of) on Hice . And I agree with your assesement of Thorton and Zwergel; but those guys do get Schaefer the ball and in my opinion Schaefer doens't give it the 100% needed to finish. Sure he has some impressive stats, somebody's got to put them in the net; looks like the game plan is pass it to Schaefer? Elder put him on a pedistal along time ago?
A little too high for me.

Yes, the game plan is get the ball to his feet...they have no other option. And Zwergel does not get Schaefer the ball. When he does get it, he whacks it up the field and hopes Schaefer or Watson can run onto it. His best choice is to play it to Buchanan...because he can hold a ball in the midfield and play to feet. Schaefer has seen increased time in the midfield recently because he can't get the ball up top. No one else can score on that team unless it touches Schaefer at some point in the attack.

[soccerdad]

To Messi, not talking about the team or players you are.You make and excellent point.I don't know why some coachs insist on leaving a talented
player in there normal or club position when the team so desperatly needs
that player to be more involved in the overall game. There are some top
notch forwards turned into ball chasers on a few teams I know.Nothing wrong
with dropping back.

[soccerdad]

Westside80-didn't see your thread at first.I agree!But there is nothing wrong
with putting a forward in a more midfield position to better help the team.

[SoccerAlum]

I kind of felt this would be the type of list that would show up.All good players
but from the typical big schools.It would be very easy to put a top 33 together for each age group.Just Take the top 3 teams(club) in each age
u17,u18. For example-u17 Kolping,Cup,OE.Almost all the forwards on these teams are either leading or top3 in each of there conf.Heck,some of them were leading scorers as sophs.Defensive players get left out because there not a cool stat to compare.Just a couple
CJ-FF
AT-pri.
JS-RB
There are many more.Good thread though

Your statement that all the players from the top three clubs (33) should make this list is a total joke. Half of those players will never step foot on the field in college play. Probably more than half won't. If they do it will be D2 or D3 and they won't get much or any money at all. There are plenty of players on Cup, OE and any other good club teams that are "marginal" players.

[soccerdad]

Here we go again.It's HS players, not college.I thought? O well you might be
right.In the scope of things there may be a couple so so players but they exist on college teams to. A colleges choice on a player involves many things.
Personality,grades,intent.Most of the players may not want to play.Who knows.But I am sure of 1 thing. I will take a top 3 club team over a high school team any day of the week. I was just trying to have fun with this web
site. How about less of this - and more of this +.
Note: anyone lucky enough to play in college that wants to (D1 2 3 JC ) whatever. I wish them good luck and I hope they enjoy it. (not the money!)

[detailoriented]

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