SYFL bylaws are no more

[green1965champs]

The suburban youth league is allowing any kid that does not live in Springfield Township a chance to play.

Ellet was thrown into a pack of wolves for doing this same thing. I would love to know the actual number of kids who play for SYF that live in Springfield township.

I bet that would be a hoot of a conversation. Nick 9 go to your sport shack and check this out for us and give us your findings.

And Yappi if you have to remove this post please give me a reason my question isn't legitimate.

[brownandorange]

The suburban youth league is allowing any kid that does not live in Springfield Township a chance to play.

Ellet was thrown into a pack of wolves for doing this same thing. I would love to know the actual number of kids who play for SYF that live in Springfield township.

I bet that would be a hoot of a conversation. Nick 9 go to your sport shack and check this out for us and give us your findings.

And Yappi if you have to remove this post please give me a reason my question isn't legitimate.

Are they changing the starting dates again so more 14 year olds can play for Green also?

[Irish87]

Nick9,

I am calling you out, to answer this question. Please tell us how many Springfield kids do you have playing for Springfield Suburban Youth Football? Man up and stop hiding and tell us if you really are about the kids of the Springfield community.

I have been up front and honest to every single parent and child about both Leagues.

Man up and admit who you are. I will personally escort you around our Practice field and ask any of the 250+ parents in attendance if they have been lied too about their League choice.

Please contact me. My home phone# is 330-628-9336. Ask for Joe Moran.

[Irish87]

If you need my cell#, let me know. I'll gladly give it to you.

Joe

[nick9]

Why are we talking about SYF? Joe were the high road, you said worry about your own league why do you care what happens to
SYF. Worry about your own league leave us alone and when the court rules for us we want our uniforms in good condition or we will come after you personally.

[green1965champs]

Why are we talking about SYF? Joe were the high road, you said worry about your own league why do you care what happens to
SYF. Worry about your own league leave us alone and when the court rules for us we want our uniforms in good condition or we will come after you personally.
Here we go again HP, avoiding a very legitimate question. I seen your interview and my wife said you sounded like a little child whining.

I can answer the question for you.

You have exactly 17 kids that's including the 9 flag boys

NO cheer leaders.

The other half which is 15 get car pooled from who knows where.

Thirdly, no concession

What do you really have to offer to the children in SPRINGFIELD TOWNSHIP

These guys are not mad anymore at you but are now questioning the integrity of the SYFL. Green Pride chime in on our conversation and let us know some facts. Or should we call the remainder of the leagues teams you have and ask them if they can sign kids up out side the township.

[Irish87]

Why are we talking about SYF? Joe were the high road, you said worry about your own league why do you care what happens to
SYF. Worry about your own league leave us alone and when the court rules for us we want our uniforms in good condition or we will come after you personally.

I did take the high road. I gave you a personal invitation to come and talk to the parents of Springfield Buckeye Youth Football. What more do you want.

I really don't care about SYF, but I do care about the children, thus the reason for my question.

Your threats at me once again show your ignorance and maturity level.

[Panther123]

will not particiapte in byf league any more after this year. The parents have spoken and there will be a change coming soon. I also know 100% that another team will leave byf next year. The new toy syndrome is fueling this Springfield Byf program. But soon you will see as others are starting to see that this league has issues and is now where near The other leagues caliber of play. Our arguement is not in competition of play just being able to compete based upon numbers and size. Our director got led by emotion and not by his brain. The Ellet situation is a little different then the current, they agreed to certain rules before coming into the league.Syf made several changes so the old syf could stay in buissness. It is not exactly right but it is there first year.

[Irish87]

Panther,
if this in fact is true, and Manchester made the decision based on whats in the best interest of the kids, then I repect that and appreciate the decision. I also respect the people involved with Manchester youth football and the parents, for not turning the program into a mess, as has happened in Springfield. A decision was made for Manchester to switch. Not everybody agreed with the decision, but nobody went out and caused chaos, as what happened here.

Good luck to Manchester in whatever League they decide to play in.

[Panther123]

Joe be honest right now there is alot of fuel on the fire caused from both leagues. You guys have never had a problem fielding teams in syf at the younger levels. Your current league has ruined your middle school program because of what I call a new toy. I dont know what your middle school numbers were last year. I bet if you add them up with last years syf numbers you would be close to this years. Joe time will tell after the newness has worn off. Your passionante as well as the others are. They are fighting for what they believe just as you are. The only thing is your fighting based on emotion, you have not played a game yet. You really should have talked to other teams that were not emotionally involved in making your decision. Like the ones where green came from. There is no secret why they left and started a new league. The founder has now moved twice to meet his needs. He has openly cheated during games by manipulation of kids on teams on a weekly basis,to win a game. I assure you that you will have several That is my biggest complaint over here.

[Buckeye29]

I have a couple questions for anyone who can answere them. Does Springfield's Suburban league have a varsity team? How about an A-team? I ask this because my kids play for other teams in the Suburban league and they have Springfield on their schedules. Will they get to play those weeks or has the idiots that started their "NEW" league in Springfield affected not only kids in Springfield, but kids in every other community as well. It's sad that one or two total idiots can cost so many kids a chance to play a full schedule. I'm not sure how you two (NH & HP) sleep at night. Good job guys!

[Irish87]

Joe be honest right now there is alot of fuel on the fire caused from both leagues. You guys have never had a problem fielding teams in syf at the younger levels. Your current league has ruined your middle school program because of what I call a new toy. I dont know what your middle school numbers were last year. I bet if you add them up with last years syf numbers you would be close to this years. Joe time will tell after the newness has worn off. Your passionante as well as the others are. They are fighting for what they believe just as you are. The only thing is your fighting based on emotion, you have not played a game yet. You really should have talked to other teams that were not emotionally involved in making your decision. Like the ones where green came from. There is no secret why they left and started a new league. The founder has now moved twice to meet his needs. He has openly cheated during games by manipulation of kids on teams on a weekly basis,to win a game. I assure you that you will have several That is my biggest complaint over here.

Panther,
Our MS program has been in trouble for the last 4 - 5 years. No way you can blame BYF for that. As I stated on a earlier post, this years 8th graders has always had low numbers. We knew going in this year again, that numbers would be low. Last year alone, there were only a handful of 7th graders on the Varsity Team. Out of the 20 or so members of last years Varsity, only 8 were in the 7th grade. Well out of those 8 kids(inc 2 girls) from that group, 1 of the girls moved to North Carolina, the other girl hung up the football cleats, another boy moved to ellet and is playing over there. That left 5 previous football players from last years Varsity, to play this year. 2 of these 5 decided not to play leaving 3 boys left to be on the team. My point is, the current middle school football players, have historically been down in numbers. The future proves otherwise with record number sign ups in BYF including 33 seventh graders. Our main focus when making the change, was to get and allow more kids to come out for football. Spin it, twist it, don't believe any way you want, fact of the matter is, there are more kids playing football in Springfield this year than in the past and I think a big reason for that is the BYF League. I understand everyone has an opinion about one League or another, but fact of the matter is, the people who signed up for Springfield BYF are happy about the League and happy how things are being run.

BYF has not ruined MS Football. We all new it would be a challenge this year. We have seen the results of Registrars and the future for Springfield football looks brighter, until more law suits ensue.

I fight for the the Springfield BYF League, because I feel it is a better League for the kids of our community, at this time, period. If down the road, I see things that are going in the wrong direction, then other options can be discussed. But honestly, when you get opinions from both sides, there is only one thing to do, make a decision. We listened to people from both sides. We listed the pros and cons of both Leagues, made a decision and went full force into making it the best year ever for the kids. Unfortunately, other people have personal issues and felt the need for a split in our town.

Panther, I have no idea who your are, but judging from you calling me by my first name, you know who I am. I am a reasonable person and would love to talk to you more, about our situation. I feel you may be getting just one side of things. If you have an interest in talking, let me know.

[green1965champs]

Joe be honest right now there is alot of fuel on the fire caused from both leagues. You guys have never had a problem fielding teams in syf at the younger levels. Your current league has ruined your middle school program because of what I call a new toy. I dont know what your middle school numbers were last year. I bet if you add them up with last years syf numbers you would be close to this years. Joe time will tell after the newness has worn off. Your passionante as well as the others are. They are fighting for what they believe just as you are. The only thing is your fighting based on emotion, you have not played a game yet. You really should have talked to other teams that were not emotionally involved in making your decision. Like the ones where green came from. There is no secret why they left and started a new league. The founder has now moved twice to meet his needs. He has openly cheated during games by manipulation of kids on teams on a weekly basis,to win a game. I assure you that you will have several That is my biggest complaint over here.Whatever Paul you have no clue..... Well I can assure you this, I can guarantee 1 maybe 2 teams you have such a lock down on will be BYF bound next year. They are getting to know the BYF. See Paul we don't hide anything in this league nor do we allow other teams to cheat to be able to field teams.... But I am sure you have told the other teams SYF is exempt from having to produce a valid home address in Springfield Township. I know why you have such a bad time with this... Is it because your son has to play BYF in Manchester ? Why don't you just change the rules for him so he can come over and play in green?

Buckeye, what I have gathered jv players are going to suit up in the varsity game ,,,vice versa. Trust me on this one!!!!!

[green1965champs]

Panther,
Our MS program has been in trouble for the last 4 - 5 years. No way you can blame BYF for that. As I stated on a earlier post, this years 8th graders has always had low numbers. We knew going in this year again, that numbers would be low. Last year alone, there were only a handful of 7th graders on the Varsity Team. Out of the 20 or so members of last years Varsity, only 8 were in the 7th grade. Well out of those 8 kids(inc 2 girls) from that group, 1 of the girls moved to North Carolina, the other girl hung up the football cleats, another boy moved to ellet and is playing over there. That left 5 previous football players from last years Varsity, to play this year. 2 of these 5 decided not to play leaving 3 boys left to be on the team. My point is, the current middle school football players, have historically been down in numbers. The future proves otherwise with record number sign ups in BYF including 33 seventh graders. Our main focus when making the change, was to get and allow more kids to come out for football. Spin it, twist it, don't believe any way you want, fact of the matter is, there are more kids playing football in Springfield this year than in the past and I think a big reason for that is the BYF League. I understand everyone has an opinion about one League or another, but fact of the matter is, the people who signed up for Springfield BYF are happy about the League and happy how things are being run.

BYF has not ruined MS Football. We all new it would be a challenge this year. We have seen the results of Registrars and the future for Springfield football looks brighter, until more law suits ensue.

I fight for the the Springfield BYF League, because I feel it is a better League for the kids of our community, at this time, period. If down the road, I see things that are going in the wrong direction, then other options can be discussed. But honestly, when you get opinions from both sides, there is only one thing to do, make a decision. We listened to people from both sides. We listed the pros and cons of both Leagues, made a decision and went full force into making it the best year ever for the kids. Unfortunately, other people have personal issues and felt the need for a split in our town.

Panther, I have no idea who your are, but judging from you calling me by my first name, you know who I am. I am a reasonable person and would love to talk to you more, about our situation. I feel you may be getting just one side of things. If you have an interest in talking, let me know. Irish87, Its a losing battle to argue any point with the SYFL program. You know in your heart that the right thing to do is stand up for the right thing. Polster told me you coach his boys and he talks highly of you and what you guys have put up with. You guys have it easy compared to what went on over here 4 years ago. I can admit, I dont like this guy or his ways. They love to tell lies to stir the pot but the best thing on your side is the truth. As long as its the truth thats what hurts these guys the most.

[Irish87]

Buckeye, what I have gathered jv players are going to suit up in the varsity game ,,,vice versa. Trust me on this one!!!!!

So Suburban Youth, is allowing Springfield JV players, to play in the JV game as well as the Varsity game?

[Buckeye29]

So Suburban Youth, is allowing Springfield JV players, to play in the JV game as well as the Varsity game?

I'm going to start by saying "I don't know the facts", but from what I've seen on here as well as heard other places a lot of rules are being bent by the SYFL this year.

Since when is SYF teams aloud to scrimmage Pop Warner teams? Green?
Again, this is just a rummer I heard at my son's practice the other night. Please let me know if this is not true.

Also, where is Springfield's "NEW" SYFL home field? Springhill?

I do remember a couple of years ago Rootstown having to leave the league because of the same kind of situation. I'm not sure what to think of a league that will bend rules for one team but go by the letter of the law for others. I guess it's all about who you know, or who you're buddies with.

[green pride]

My son plays for GYF he is on the flag. Just like I told you about Barberton and Copley we will add 4-5 teams next year. I hope BYF remains I dont have a problem with it. I do have a problem with the like you that talk so big but would never give his name. I will be with GYF for years to come you will be gone like the rest of the haters. We have a great relationship with the high school now and we will have are opening game at the stadium under the lights against fellow Sububan team Copley. Best of luck.
Whatever Paul you have no clue..... Well I can assure you this, I can guarantee 1 maybe 2 teams you have such a lock down on will be BYF bound next year. They are getting to know the BYF. See Paul we don't hide anything in this league nor do we allow other teams to cheat to be able to field teams.... But I am sure you have told the other teams SYF is exempt from having to produce a valid home address in Springfield Township. I know why you have such a bad time with this... Is it because your son has to play BYF in Manchester ? Why don't you just change the rules for him so he can come over and play in green?

Buckeye, what I have gathered jv players are going to suit up in the varsity game ,,,vice versa. Trust me on this one!!!!!

[green pride]

Pop Warner the largest National Youth Orginization is working with SYF to better both orginizations. We want to play the best competition possible. Possibly at State Tournament. No rules have been bent this was a unanimous vote. Syf is expanding by leaps and bounds dont hate.I'm going to start by saying "I don't know the facts", but from what I've seen on here as well as heard other places a lot of rules are being bent by the SYFL this year.

Since when is SYF teams aloud to scrimmage Pop Warner teams? Green?
Again, this is just a rummer I heard at my son's practice the other night. Please let me know if this is not true.

Also, where is Springfield's "NEW" SYFL home field? Springhill?

I do remember a couple of years ago Rootstown having to leave the league because of the same kind of situation. I'm not sure what to think of a league that will bend rules for one team but go by the letter of the law for others. I guess it's all about who you know, or who you're buddies with.

[Buckeye29]

Pop Warner the largest National Youth Orginization is working with SYF to better both orginizations. We want to play the best competition possible. Possibly at State Tournament. No rules have been bent this was a unanimous vote. Syf is expanding by leaps and bounds dont hate.

That's all well and good, but I was told that in the past other organizations have wanted to scrimmage teams that are not SYFL teams and they where told they could not.

I don't hate the SYFL. My boys still play in it. Let me ask you this, which Pop Warner team is Cuyahoga Falls scrimmaging this year?

Unanimous vote? There was an unanimous vote in Springfield to switch leagues, but that didn't seem to matter to anyone, so why should your "unanimous" vote mean anything?

I'm pretty sure that the people that run the SYFL would make good TV preachers because they are both really good at spinning things the way they want them. "Do as I say, not as I do"

I really don't have a problem with SYFL with the exception of weight limits. I just think they should back off the communities that want to go another direction.

[green pride]

The greatest thing about syfl is the new leadership and the changes that are being made to make it the best orginization around. Cuy Falls did not want to scrimmage Pop Warner so they arent. Green who were champs last year and Copley the champs of Wadsworth league want the challenge to play the best. That's all well and good, but I was told that in the past other organizations have wanted to scrimmage teams that are not SYFL teams and they where told they could not.

I don't hate the SYFL. My boys still play in it. Let me ask you this, which Pop Warner team is Cuyahoga Falls scrimmaging this year? You know nothing of other communities, every community that has left the SYFL has a group that is unhappy and want to come back. We are doing nothing to make this happen they have contacted us. If your kid is still in the SYFL then your wife made the decision not you. You know nothing about what goes on at our meetings you listen to people who make up lies about our league and me personally. I would like to know who you are pm me, I wish everyone on this site would have to use their real names and most of this crap would stop because most of you would not have the guts to spin your crap. The changes and partnerships SYFL is making will help make our league second to none. Springfields problems stem so much farther then youth football, their own mayors cant get along. You have 11 middle school players how is this rebuilding a program?By the way I looked back at your posts and you have such a problem with SYFL it is funny that you say this?

Unanimous vote? There was an unanimous vote in Springfield to switch leagues, but that didn't seem to matter to anyone, so why should your "unanimous" vote mean anything?

I'm pretty sure that the people that run the SYFL would make good TV preachers because they are both really good at spinning things the way they want them. "Do as I say, not as I do"

I really don't have a problem with SYFL with the exception of weight limits. I just think they should back off the communities that want to go another direction.

[bigcountry7417]

I have a couple questions for anyone who can answere them. Does Springfield's Suburban league have a varsity team? How about an A-team? I ask this because my kids play for other teams in the Suburban league and they have Springfield on their schedules. Will they get to play those weeks or has the idiots that started their "NEW" league in Springfield affected not only kids in Springfield, but kids in every other community as well. It's sad that one or two total idiots can cost so many kids a chance to play a full schedule. I'm not sure how you two (NH & HP) sleep at night. Good job guys!

My son also plays for a suburban youth team (B), and when the first schedule came out, we had Springfield scheduled for a scrimmage and final game of the year. On Thursday we received new schedules that had removed Springfield from the scrimmage, and replaced them with I believe Stow. The final game of the year is currently scheduled as a bye. It seems to me that they don't have a team in every level, so check with your director, you may unfortunately have a bye also. Thanks alot SSYF!!!

[Panther123]

actually 3 teams will leave byf, Manchester will be one but not sure if we will return to syf. I would like to mention the others but time will let you know. For those of you who say I am stirring the pot. Call it as you will I am just keeping the other sides story out there. There is alot of people on here who just read for info. Moran I do know who you are but you put your number up with your name, so Im pretty sure everyone knows who you are now. This great new league can have round robin tournaments next year. Syf has forever given the kids to play the best teams and talent. Byf is nothing more then a rec league. Please call the teams coaches from last years league that Green participated in. They make the stories talked on here about Greens Gyf look like childs play.

[greendad]

Panther123, I dont know where you get your info??? You claiming this makes all what you say, unreliable. I was there, up close and personal for all games and there was no cheating, i assure you of this.

[The founder has now moved twice to meet his needs. He has openly cheated during games by manipulation of kids on teams on a weekly basis,to win a game. I assure you that you will have several That is my biggest complaint over here.]

[green1965champs]

I'm going to start by saying "I don't know the facts", but from what I've seen on here as well as heard other places a lot of rules are being bent by the SYFL this year.

Since when is SYF teams aloud to scrimmage Pop Warner teams? Green?
Again, this is just a rummer I heard at my son's practice the other night. Please let me know if this is not true.

Also, where is Springfield's "NEW" SYFL home field? Springhill?

I do remember a couple of years ago Rootstown having to leave the league because of the same kind of situation. I'm not sure what to think of a league that will bend rules for one team but go by the letter of the law for others. I guess it's all about who you know, or who you're buddies with. buckeyeThe jv and varsity practice as one unit over at springhill and get out of the same cars. I think you should ask your director if he knows about it. I dont have your schedule but it would be interesting to see if you guys play syf.

A whole new can of worms has been opened. Did you notice what this thread started as and what syfl backers replied with? Not a word on what goes on up at springhill.

Its going to be funny catching these guys in the act. I don't think the other teams parents are going to like the deception very much when the truth comes out.

Panther green pride, you answered the kid playing for manchester byf under the wrong screen name again. What gives pic a screen name and quit letting your your ego take over.

[green pride]

Just one screen name and you know who I am continue to hide and stir up crap. Again I have nothing wrong with BYF as a orginization I do have problems with like you that try to hurt another program in the process. I will always think SYFL is better as will you think BYF is better but when have I ever wished your orginization gone? buckeyeThe jv and varsity practice as one unit over at springhill and get out of the same cars. I think you should ask your director if he knows about it. I dont have your schedule but it would be interesting to see if you guys play syf.

A whole new can of worms has been opened. Did you notice what this thread started as and what syfl backers replied with? Not a word on what goes on up at springhill.

Its going to be funny catching these guys in the act. I don't think the other teams parents are going to like the deception very much when the truth comes out.

Panther green pride, you answered the kid playing for manchester byf under the wrong screen name again. What gives pic a screen name and quit letting your your ego take over.

[Panther123]

buckeyeThe jv and varsity practice as one unit over at springhill and get out of the same cars. I think you should ask your director if he knows about it. I dont have your schedule but it would be interesting to see if you guys play syf.

A whole new can of worms has been opened. Did you notice what this thread started as and what syfl backers replied with? Not a word on what goes on up at springhill.

Its going to be funny catching these guys in the act. I don't think the other teams parents are going to like the deception very much when the truth comes out.

Panther green pride, you answered the kid playing for manchester byf under the wrong screen name again. What gives pic a screen name and quit letting your your ego take over.

I am sure you buddy Yappi can figure it out who is who on here. There more then one voice being spoken. I have no idea what your speaking about in ref to a Manchester kid. You can find me weekly on the sidelines of all High School Football games. You crack me up with your blanket statements as your in the know. The only thing you know is to run your gums with no factual info. I guarntee you your Byf will continue on but teams will come and go. This is good for Syf because it will only make syf stronger. The beauty of it this year is we all get to watch Ellet beat everyone up in your league. Then the proof is in the pudding of which league has the better play of football. It wont be because of the size of kids but because of the style of play and coaching.

[Buckeye29]

What is it about youth football that stirs up so much emotion. You don't get this with baseball. I've never seen a post on here saying that Little League is better than Hot Stove. They have different rules as do the two youth football leagues and I'm sure there are people that like one league better than the other, but no one comes on here and bashes anyone else from the other league, so why in football?????? I keep hearing this league is better....or our league will rule and your league will be gone.....how about just letting the kids play????? It's a game!!!!!!! Everyone has an opinion about everything....I tend to think Ford makes the best pick up truck, but if someone else likes Dodge do I think he's an idiot? No. Everyone needs to get over themselves and stop trying to hurt the other guy's league. If HP wants to start a "NEW" SYFL in Springfield then more power to him. Just DON'T try to steal the original leagues stuff in the process. If he would do it right I would wish him well, but trying to sabotage the original league in the process is wrong!!!!!!! JMO

[Panther123]

of this new league is supposed to be what syf is not. They do this they do that, syf has a win at all cost attitude. Thats kinda of funny seeing how last year Green played there varisty kids in both games to get a win. This year Green has split there teams into two. Guess what that means everyones jv teams get to play Greens Varisity. Everyone references Syf kids having to lose weight. What is worse kids losing a few pounds of water weight or kids playing multiple games in one day without the proper food and rest. Also I would like to point out there are kids currently cutting weight in byf so they can run the ball since there is a weight limit to run the ball. It is comical to read all these post of the negative means about syf. Lets be fair here Byf is full of lies and tries to use Syf program to better itself. Byf does exactly what it says it does not. Every kid cannot play in there program, why would a 140 kid want to play Byf if he is a running back. You guys bend your rules in the same fashion you accuse Syf as doing. Last but not least how fair is it for a Jv team to play a Varisity team of another team. So the less tallented kids of Northwest are supposed to go up against some of the Good players of Green. Last year Green snuck around doing this. Now this year there openly going to do it to win a Jv game. Why else is it going to happen because clearly your Byf format would allow all these kids to play.

[green1965champs]

of this new league is supposed to be what syf is not. They do this they do that, syf has a win at all cost attitude. Thats kinda of funny seeing how last year Green played there varisty kids in both games to get a win. This year Green has split there teams into two. Guess what that means everyones jv teams get to play Greens Varisity. Everyone references Syf kids having to lose weight. What worse kids losing a few pounds of water weight or kids playing multiple games in one day without the proper food and rest. Also I would like to point out there are kids currently cutting weight in byf so they can run the ball since there is a weight limit to run the ball. It is comical to read all these post of the negative means about syf. Lets be fair here Byf is full of lies and tries to use Syf program to better itself. Byf does exactly what it says it does not. Every kid cannot play in there program, why would a 140 kid want to play Byf if he is a running back. You guys bend your rules in the same fashion you accuse Syf as doing. Last but not least how fair is it for a Jv team to play a Varisity team of another team. So the less tallented kids of Northwest are supposed to go up against some of the Good players of Green. Last year Green snuck around doing this. Now this year there openly going to do it to win a Jv game. Why else is it going to happen because clearly your Byf format would allow all these kids to play.
You should stick to umpiring baseball, a less contacting sport.

[Panther123]

of this new league is supposed to be what syf is not. They do this they do that, syf has a win at all cost attitude. Thats kinda of funny seeing how last year Green played there varisty kids in both games to get a win. This year Green has split there teams into two. Guess what that means everyones jv teams get to play Greens Varisity. Everyone references Syf kids having to lose weight. What is worse kids losing a few pounds of water weight or kids playing multiple games in one day without the proper food and rest. Also I would like to point out there are kids currently cutting weight in byf so they can run the ball since there is a weight limit to run the ball. It is comical to read all these post of the negative means about syf. Lets be fair here Byf is full of lies and tries to use Syf program to better itself. Byf does exactly what it says it does not. Every kid cannot play in there program, why would a 140 kid want to play Byf if he is a running back. You guys bend your rules in the same fashion you accuse Syf as doing. Last but not least how fair is it for a Jv team to play a Varisity team of another team. So the less tallented kids of Northwest are supposed to go up against some of the Good players of Green. Last year Green snuck around doing this. Now this year there openly going to do it to win a Jv game. Why else is it going to happen because clearly your Byf format would allow all these kids to play.

Please tell me why this is happening in Byf.

[Irish87]

Please tell me why this is happening in Byf.

Get over it!!
Move on people. If you have personal issues with Green, have it out with them, but leave the Springfield people alone. We have no beef with any of League. We are simply trying to move on. Whats done is done.

Buckeye,

your point is right on the button.

[SPARTANPRIDE]

Please tell me why this is happening in Byf.panther tell me how are you so knowledgable on the byf green program when you just joined the league this year. but anyway what has gone on in the syl for many many years cant compare to what goes on in the byf. you state that green byf cheats where are you getting your facts can you please explain, instead of stirin the pot once again. its just hard to believe a word you are saying if your from the manchester program when your program just became part of byf please enlighten us on this please..

[Panther123]

panther tell me how are you so knowledgable on the byf green program when you just joined the league this year. but anyway what has gone on in the syl for many many years cant compare to what goes on in the byf. you state that green byf cheats where are you getting your facts can you please explain, instead of stirin the pot once again. its just hard to believe a word you are saying if your from the manchester program when your program just became part of byf please enlighten us on this please..

you answer questions with questions. I have said before I have been involved in youth football for a long time. I am speaking on behalf of others who chose not to speak. In life most people like to be lambs instead of leaders. I will not stand back and watch lies being told about a league. I will put the other side out there. Example of cheating, last two years Green would take kids who played previous in there varisity game. Then play them in there Jv game when there was clearly kids on the Jv team that could play. This was done to get a win. Why do you think Green started it own league. They were in a Byf format league. They were not wanted in the north Canton league any more due to the constant player exemptions and other issues. I have stated before I am not happy with the current situation going on in Manchester. Truthfuly our program will be worse this year then in many years. This program format fits the minority not the majority of kids.

[bass10]

If this isn't the right league for Manchester so be it. If u don't want to give it a fair shake, so be it. U obviously have ties to the GYF for whatever reason there's a hidden reason to bash BYFL. For the record, Al 499-7247, Jon, 499-5299 these are the Pre. And Commis. of the North Canton League, feel free to call them to prove and I've stated this before, BYF was not "kicked" out of the NCFL. I've stated why we left in the past but empty headed people want to feed on there own B S.

Panther, why don't you go start a great league? Maybe get Mogadore, Rootstown, Doylestown (currently in BYFL), Woodridge, Waterloo--small schools that fit Manchester. Use some of your negative energy for something good??

[GR1FAN]

If this isn't the right league for Manchester so be it. If u don't want to give it a fair shake, so be it. U obviously have ties to the GYF for whatever reason there's a hidden reason to bash BYFL. For the record, Al 499-7247, Jon, 499-5299 these are the Pre. And Commis. of the North Canton League, feel free to call them to prove and I've stated this before, BYF was not "kicked" out of the NCFL. I've stated why we left in the past but empty headed people want to feed on there own B S.

Panther, why don't you go start a great league? Maybe get Mogadore, Rootstown, Doylestown (currently in BYFL), Woodridge, Waterloo--small schools that fit Manchester. Use some of your negative energy for something good?? Panther is a great addition to the syfl leadership. He tells it like it is and you guys hate him for it. Grow up and let Mr. Parker do his thing. The syfl is making strides. Mr Parker is doing what he can to keep the varsity jv and c team alive. I commend him for supplying all the equipment out of his own pocket. I wish there was more stand up individuals like him running the byf then we could coincide with one another. The kids you talk so highly of 1965 at springhill all live in the Springfield township area. Our door is always open to the naysayers. Matter of fact come ask anyone of the kids at practice and they will tell you. Nothing to hide here either big man.

[Panther123]

Gentlemen,
I will tell you the coaches in Green are straight up super guys. Panther, show up at one of BYF practice and call the coach a lying, cheat to their face. NOBODY else on here backs any of Panther's BS. Why would a coach stack a JV game with V players to win? It makes NO sense, who cares, the V game is there for the win, JV is for development. Panther, I'd like the names or teams from our league that "you say" accused BYF of this, if not you need to find a hole to crawl into-. Use your negativity for something positive in Manchester.
How are you going to split your teams this year. Since you will have two teams how will the current byf format fit this year. How will you field a Jv and a varisity. I am pretty sure with 23 kids you wont be playing 11 or so kids on each team. So when those good Varisty players suit up and play Jv just as you have since you started it. Is that fair to the teams that follow the rules.

[Panther123]

If this isn't the right league for Manchester so be it. If u don't want to give it a fair shake, so be it. U obviously have ties to the GYF for whatever reason there's a hidden reason to bash BYFL. For the record, Al 499-7247, Jon, 499-5299 these are the Pre. And Commis. of the North Canton League, feel free to call them to prove and I've stated this before, BYF was not "kicked" out of the NCFL. I've stated why we left in the past but empty headed people want to feed on there own B S.

Panther, why don't you go start a great league? Maybe get Mogadore, Rootstown, Doylestown (currently in BYFL), Woodridge, Waterloo--small schools that fit Manchester. Use some of your negative energy for something good??

You are right you were not kicked out, just not asked back. You really should talk to the coaches of the other teams not the directors. Im pissed off as well that we were fed a bunch of bs to go forward into the byf league. Just so The big Don could say we stole a team away from Syf. The best thing that could have happened is you awoke a sleeping giant. Syf will grow as they have this year. We will not be a team in your league next your as well as two other teams for sure. Syf was becoming lazy that is for sure but thank you byf for showing the light and making them motivated again. Hey did you guys ever pay fawcet stadiumn the money you guys owed them.

[Irish87]

Please get off the Springfield Forum with this crap. Green has its own if you would like to discuss your personal issues with them.

The pissing contest is really getting old.

[spartan71]

you guys take your crap to the green site we already have enough crap going on here, nobody cares Pantherpiss123 beat it!!!

[Panther123]

People stand up for what they believe in. So since there is things being said about syf on your site by Byfers. I will stand up and fight for what I think is right. You guys try to discredit everyones opposing view by saying it is one voice. Irish there are many people with voices and are speaking loudly. Maybe not on here but in other places. I guess im old school in the sense of fighting for what I believe in. When will someone answer my comments on Greens byf program. Seeing that this is there league wouldn't you think they would be the model for the rest of the league. So if there bending rules already in this new league. Where is the creditabilty in what they preach?

[Irish87]

People stand up for what they believe in. So since there is things being said about syf on your site by Byfers. I will stand up and fight for what I think is right. You guys try to discredit everyones opposing view by saying it is one voice. Irish there are many people with voices and are speaking loudly. Maybe not on here but in other places. I guess im old school in the sense of fighting for what I believe in. When will someone answer my comments on Greens byf program. Seeing that this is there league wouldn't you think they would be the model for the rest of the league. So if there bending rules already in this new league. Where is the creditabilty in what they preach?

Our point is, your questions are directed to Green people. Why not start a new Thread on the Green Forum, if you are asking questions directed to Green people?
We are new to the BYF, so do not know everything that happened last year. We are trying to get a new start and give the BYF League a chance. Your negativity is in no way going to change our minds. We are full force into this Season and are going to make the best of it. Let it go and focus on your decisions for next years League and leave other communities, to work out their own problems. That is all we are asking.

[SPARTANPRIDE]

you answer questions with questions. I have said before I have been involved in youth football for a long time. I am speaking on behalf of others who chose not to speak. In life most people like to be lambs instead of leaders. I will not stand back and watch lies being told about a league. I will put the other side out there. Example of cheating, last two years Green would take kids who played previous in there varisity game. Then play them in there Jv game when there was clearly kids on the Jv team that could play. This was done to get a win. Why do you think Green started it own league. They were in a Byf format league. They were not wanted in the north Canton league any more due to the constant player exemptions and other issues. I have stated before I am not happy with the current situation going on in Manchester. Truthfuly our program will be worse this year then in many years. This program format fits the minority not the majority of kids.o.k you have been involved with youth football for awhile i get it . but you havent been involved with the byf. so how can you come on here and make comments on green byf. we are doing just fine since the switch to byf the majority of the community of springfield has made the choice for the future,so bashing the byf is not going to bring us back we have more boys than ever playing football again. and for us thats what matters.

[GR1FAN]

o.k you have been involved with youth football for awhile i get it . but you havent been involved with the byf. so how can you come on here and make comments on green byf. we are doing just fine since the switch to byf the majority of the community of springfield has made the choice for the future,so bashing the byf is not going to bring us back we have more boys than ever playing football again. and for us thats what matters.

I see the bring your own food league brought it up to your practice acting like they owned the field. I am well informed of your politics.

[bass10]

People stand up for what they believe in. So since there is things being said about syf on your site by Byfers. I will stand up and fight for what I think is right. You guys try to discredit everyones opposing view by saying it is one voice. Irish there are many people with voices and are speaking loudly. Maybe not on here but in other places. I guess im old school in the sense of fighting for what I believe in. When will someone answer my comments on Greens byf program. Seeing that this is there league wouldn't you think they would be the model for the rest of the league. So if there bending rules already in this new league. Where is the creditabilty in what they preach?

Panther,
I agree, if you start a forum on Greens site, I'll respond. U know why nobody answers your B S about Green, cause you don't listen. When your given facts you don't accept them. You are a great BYF basher though, I'll give you that. Anyone can come on here and say BYF cheats, steals, lies, sleeps with the other coaches wives, etc. in the end it is what it is, just B S coming from a BYF hater. For the record BYFL didn't even play in Fawcett Stadium last year, we did play in the Rubber Bowl the last two years though. So go ahead hear some B S about something and take off with it to tarnish a name. Whats wrong with trying to grow a league? A gun wasn't held to anyones head to join BYFL and this forum deserves facts on the so called lies that were told to the Manchester board? And please don't say we stacked a JV game with V players and that was the lie. Also know and understand our rules, a player that may play def. on V may get some play time in JV, say on offense to give him a look there, its a great system but naysayers will NEVER agree to it.

[Panther123]

Fawcet Stadiumn Green never payed could never get the stadiumn again. You guys became the laughing stock of the league and yes you did start to put your so called varisty players in the Jv game to win, on both sides of the ball. Just like this year how are you going to split your team when you will only have 23 or so players. I will continue to push my thoughts just as some of you go to all the syf teams sites and advertise your league. I want everyone to know there is two sides to every story. You guys sold everyone on this pure all about the kids league. Yes you teach football and big kids get to play. But you are as guilty if not more guilty for doing the things that you accuse the other league of. Hey like I said before Im retired for the most part and I will continue to fight for what I believe in. I will also sit back and watch Ellet run wild on the teams in this league. That will bring Validity to my point of who has the better game of football. That will also convince the one team in your league who is on the fence about leaving. There comment was they want to see the competition that one of the top teams in the syf will bring to the table. Time will tell real soon. Those of you who say stay on Greens or Manchester site. I would but I see Byfers everywhere tring to sell there wholesome program.
Everyone bashes Syf but bash this byf league look out. They bash the Kappers but what about the one who runs Byf. The big Don. He has done more then his fair share of dirty deeds. Noone talks about those though. You guys since day one have attacked Syf to sell your program. Because you couldn't sell it on anything on your own. I am tired of it and I will speak out when needed. Ellet is coming to a town near you soon.

[Panther123]

Panther,
I agree, if you start a forum on Greens site, I'll respond. U know why nobody answers your B S about Green, cause you don't listen. When your given facts you don't accept them. You are a great BYF basher though, I'll give you that. Anyone can come on here and say BYF cheats, steals, lies, sleeps with the other coaches wives, etc. in the end it is what it is, just B S coming from a BYF hater. For the record BYFL didn't even play in Fawcett Stadium last year, we did play in the Rubber Bowl the last two years though. So go ahead hear some B S about something and take off with it to tarnish a name. Whats wrong with trying to grow a league? A gun wasn't held to anyones head to join BYFL and this forum deserves facts on the so called lies that were told to the Manchester board? And please don't say we stacked a JV game with V players and that was the lie. Also know and understand our rules, a player that may play def. on V may get some play time in JV, say on offense to give him a look there, its a great system but naysayers will NEVER agree to it.
Did you ever play at Fawcet stadiumn and why did you not any more.

[Panther123]

one other thing, what is the title to this thread. It sure is not free hotdogs and football practice for Byf Kids. It another attack on Syf. Hotdogs have no negative meaning. I could have used stickers and ballons. My point is this site like Tallmadges and Ellet have been used as a platform to bash syf.

[SPARTANPRIDE]

one other thing, what is the title to this thread. It sure is not free hotdogs and football practice for Byf Kids. It another attack on Syf. Hotdogs have no negative meaning. I could have used stickers and ballons. My point is this site like Tallmadges and Ellet have been used as a platform to bash syf.wow if thats not a kapper statement,or is smash writing your material...

[spartan71]

thanks for your thoughts panther123 i personally have not bashed the SYF or the Kappers and i became one of the driving forces behind the switch to the BYF we really do not care about what league we are in it was all about participation for kids here in springfield thats it... i have always liked and respected the Kappers i was a player when Dick Kapper coached our varsity to the championship here in springfield really i have no ill will toward SYF or the people who run it... i just can not stand when people who have their own organizations to worry about start to stick their noses in our buisness here in Springfield...

is ellet going to run rampant thru the league??? maybe but who cares... we will do the best we can with the players we got and all the players will recieve the best coaching and maximum game play time possible...

our numbers are up we have allot of first year kids and the challenge of coaching this year is greater than it has ever been for me personnaly but i would not have it any other way.... in a few years the H.S. will start to reap the rewards of having big players with experience and there will be no little or big johnnys saying i never had the chance to play youth football so i'm going to play the tuba screw the HS team like they have in the past!!

[RK89]

Panther is a great addition to the syfl leadership. He tells it like it is and you guys hate him for it. Grow up and let Mr. Parker do his thing. The syfl is making strides. Mr Parker is doing what he can to keep the varsity jv and c team alive. I commend him for supplying all the equipment out of his own pocket. I wish there was more stand up individuals like him running the byf then we could coincide with one another. The kids you talk so highly of 1965 at springhill all live in the Springfield township area. Our door is always open to the naysayers. Matter of fact come ask anyone of the kids at practice and they will tell you. Nothing to hide here either big man.


Big deal, he supplied equipment for a handful of kids, most of which are NOT from SPRINFIELD. He's doing this to make HIMSELF look good, what's he doing for ALL sprinfield kids........NOTHING.

[brownandorange]

of this new league is supposed to be what syf is not. They do this they do that, syf has a win at all cost attitude. Thats kinda of funny seeing how last year Green played there varisty kids in both games to get a win. This year Green has split there teams into two. Guess what that means everyones jv teams get to play Greens Varisity. Everyone references Syf kids having to lose weight. What is worse kids losing a few pounds of water weight or kids playing multiple games in one day without the proper food and rest. Also I would like to point out there are kids currently cutting weight in byf so they can run the ball since there is a weight limit to run the ball. It is comical to read all these post of the negative means about syf. Lets be fair here Byf is full of lies and tries to use Syf program to better itself. Byf does exactly what it says it does not. Every kid cannot play in there program, why would a 140 kid want to play Byf if he is a running back. You guys bend your rules in the same fashion you accuse Syf as doing. Last but not least how fair is it for a Jv team to play a Varisity team of another team. So the less tallented kids of Northwest are supposed to go up against some of the Good players of Green. Last year Green snuck around doing this. Now this year there openly going to do it to win a Jv game. Why else is it going to happen because clearly your Byf format would allow all these kids to play.

Who are you trying to kid. Nobody from Manchester would have as much information about GYF as you do. He would have to spend all of his time in Green. Every point you try to make involves Green syl or Green byf. As much as your in Green watching everything that's going on you must pay a fortune for gas. Come on Kap, be honest.

[green pride]

Wow I must have 15 screen names. I have never hid behind any screen name. Do you have dreams about me every post you use my name. Boy I wish I was as powerfull as you people put on.Who are you trying to kid. Nobody from Manchester would have as much information about GYF as you do. He would have to spend all of his time in Green. Every point you try to make involves Green syl or Green byf. As much as your in Green watching everything that's going on you must pay a fortune for gas. Come on Kap, be honest.

[Panther123]

Who are you trying to kid. Nobody from Manchester would have as much information about GYF as you do. He would have to spend all of his time in Green. Every point you try to make involves Green syl or Green byf. As much as your in Green watching everything that's going on you must pay a fortune for gas. Come on Kap, be honest.

it is who you know sometimes. One of my good friends is part of Byf. One of my son in laws coaches for Gyf. I am stuck right in the middle of lonely Manchester. I get the info right from the camels mouth. Byf did play at Fawcet stadiumn early on and screwed them out of money. Look Irish all I am tring to do is show the other side of the story. Alot of people on here loves to tear the organization down. I have followed this story way before Springfield was involved. I don't like when lies are told to sell ones product. Manchester goes back along way in Syf. Believe it or not we used to have a very good program. It is not Syf fault or the rules set in place why are organizations have failed. It is the adults that have been involved as of late that have failed it. What is here now is a Man who took his kid to build his own team and league because of his dislike for Syf. It did not work, his kid does not even play football anymore. And has dragged other oranizations into his personal turmoil.

[Irish87]

it is who you know sometimes. One of my good friends is part of Byf. One of my son in laws coaches for Gyf. I am stuck right in the middle of lonely Manchester. I get the info right from the camels mouth. Byf did play at Fawcet stadiumn early on and screwed them out of money. Look Irish all I am tring to do is show the other side of the story. Alot of people on here loves to tear the organization down. I have followed this story way before Springfield was involved. I don't like when lies are told to sell ones product. Manchester goes back along way in Syf. Believe it or not we used to have a very good program. It is not Syf fault or the rules set in place why are organizations have failed. It is the adults that have been involved as of late that have failed it. What is here now is a Man who took his kid to build his own team and league because of his dislike for Syf. It did not work, his kid does not even play football anymore. And has dragged other oranizations into his personal turmoil.

As you stated, there are 2 sides to every story. Unfortunately, you have only been getting one side to the Springfield story. If you were to ask anyone involved in Springfield BYF, they would tell you the other side. Instead, you jump in our Forum and start trouble without having all the facts. If you have a personal issue with a certain somebody who posts on here, fine. I can accept that, but to hold one person accountable, for an entire organization is narrow minded and unfair. You seem to think you have all the facts about the Springfield situation, I must ask, who is giving you this info? If it is people who are pro-Suburban, then that tells me a lot, why you post the stuff you do. Have I ever spoken with you? Please tell me, what person from the Springfield-BYF group have you spoken to? Springfield has lied to nobody about our League. We took the mature and professional approach and the people respected us for it. That is why the numbers are so high with SYF-BYF. Here we are 3 weeks into the season and our numbers are over 250 kids. Do you honestly believe, these people are still in the blue, about what has happened? Don't think, if they were so against how this all went down, they would have pulled their kid and gone back to SYF? I mean c'mon.

As I stated, if you have issues with Green, Manchester or BYF as a whole, fine. I can respect that. But to try and drag Springfield into your mess, is not proper. Our Organization made a decision and have gone forward. I think everyone else needs to do the same. The Law suites and restructuring can happen once this season is over. Lets move on, cuz obviously there is no working together on this. God knows I tried.

[green1965champs]

As you stated, there are 2 sides to every story. Unfortunately, you have only been getting one side to the Springfield story. If you were to ask anyone involved in Springfield BYF, they would tell you the other side. Instead, you jump in our Forum and start trouble without having all the facts. If you have a personal issue with a certain somebody who posts on here, fine. I can accept that, but to hold one person accountable, for an entire organization is narrow minded and unfair. You seem to think you have all the facts about the Springfield situation, I must ask, who is giving you this info? If it is people who are pro-Suburban, then that tells me a lot, why you post the stuff you do. Have I ever spoken with you? Please tell me, what person from the Springfield-BYF group have you spoken to? Springfield has lied to nobody about our League. We took the mature and professional approach and the people respected us for it. That is why the numbers are so high with SYF-BYF. Here we are 3 weeks into the season and our numbers are over 250 kids. Do you honestly believe, these people are still in the blue, about what has happened? Don't think, if they were so against how this all went down, they would have pulled their kid and gone back to SYF? I mean c'mon.

As I stated, if you have issues with Green, Manchester or BYF as a whole, fine. I can respect that. But to try and drag Springfield into your mess, is not proper. Our Organization made a decision and have gone forward. I think everyone else needs to do the same. The Law suites and restructuring can happen once this season is over. Lets move on, cuz obviously there is no working together on this. God knows I tried. Why do you continue to fall into this guys trap. This guy isn't from manchesterville he is from Springfield. He hates the fact his precious league has failed. Look at it this way, if the syfl was so good then why has byf took over. geesh look whats going on up at springhill. Its a all out city series up there signing up who knows who. You had a kid on your team last year that was a 7th grdr and he quit already because he wont get any playing time, W--l. Its a all out joke. Stick to coaching and being positive and let the idiots keep jappen.

[SPARTANPRIDE]

o.k manchester123, let me put this fawcet stadium thing to rest . all you need to do is get in touch with spartanmom12 tell her you need her to work a couple of extra shifts on pervert row, she will be more than happy to help.then will have her make a huge donation to the byf. on the behave of springfield byf , oh wait she might want a reciept so just let her know who to make the check out to......then this way you can sleep at night without any worries about what green byf has done in the past... sleep well 123

[Panther123]

o.k manchester123, let me put this fawcet stadium thing to rest . all you need to do is get in touch with spartanmom12 tell her you need her to work a couple of extra shifts on pervert row, she will be more than happy to help.then will have her make a huge donation to the byf. on the behave of springfield byf , oh wait she might want a reciept so just let her know who to make the check out to......then this way you can sleep at night without any worries about what green byf has done in the past... sleep well 123

You say theres no way, then after a phone call or two you found out there was a little truth.

[SPARTANPRIDE]

You say theres no way, then after a phone call or two you found out there was a little truth.MAN you are out there, what phone call what truth .... STEP AWAY FORM THE GLUE........i WAS JUST TRYING TO HELP YOU WITH YOUR PROBLEM.. get over the fact that byf has grown in the last year or so, and move on everyone else has..
what you should do is go to the cuy. falls forum and try to persuede them not to leave next sounds like another commitment coming to a byf league soon.....

[Panther123]

You seem like the most level headed on here. This is my biggest complaint with the whole thing. Bulldog youth football has been tring to squash Gyf. As you have read Im very passionate about Gyf and Manchester as well as Syf as a whole. One guy who didn't get his way started this new league because of his son not getting to play on the team he wanted, after the season had started which there was two teams at his level. Weights of children were not even an issue. Im not saying there is not a valid point about weights in syf. So He starts this new league and the whole basis of it teaching football. We would all agree that is what we all try to do. Everyone plays, actually there is a form on Tallmadge talking exactly about the new type of football that is tring to be pushed. No playoffs everyone plays and etc. If you have coached for a while I am sure you can see Children today are softer and have less discipline then the children of ten years ago. Football is a life lesson in many areas for these young men. Point is the message of the original Bulldog youth football was happiness and every kid plays we are all equal . This is not football and this is not life. That lasted for a couple of years and then the bending of rules started. Kids were being put into Jv games to become competive. This is a fact not a lie, kids that played a whole game would then turn around and play a Jv game just to win. Just like this year but worse two teams, now Varisity kids will play both. Fact teams in the original North Canton League became tired of the continual bs. Again a new league was formed and again the advertising of this and that begins. No restictions on kids evryone plays Jv varsity format win win chicken dinner. Already rule bending begins, not the magic number wasn't met to split teams. Everyone is being used to try and kill gyf this is not a byf syf thing. This is were my dislike come in for bulldog youth football, we were used Manchester as like a knife to hurt the Gyf. Just as you and the other teams the have moved. Anything will be promised but not upheld just to try and rip apart Syf. Our program will be worse this year then in many. For every 4 larger kids you get we have maybe gotten one. We bought not even seeing a byf game. I feel that people on here from syf are close to springfield. Over the years the two have helped each other out. I see you guys getting caught up in a mess because of one hate for another league for ones personal gain. I try to show the other side of the coin. I realize that whats done is done, but keep your eyes open because you are dealing with a league that is not upfront. The league is new and is run by a man that only cares about him. Irish good luck during the season. I assure you though there will be isuues coming up soon. Like I said I have a friend very close to Bulldog Youth football who is on the board. Ellet thinks that they were picked on in Syf watch and see what happens in this league.

[Panther123]

not kapepluk but #33 linemen and if you know the truth there was no rule bending. Again straight from the mouths of three teams in that league. I know the facts and I am well informed. Your facts are not inline at all.

[Panther123]

Not sure who your getting your info from but I'll state again, stories get twisted thru the tellings and grow worse with each person telling them. I've heard the same rule bendings accusations about GYF. Last year one was the season was started late to accomodate on kid (Kapulak)??? I never brought this or the other things I heard because I'm smart enough to weed this crap out. IF a coach on A,B or C level is that competitive last year that he cared about winning a stinking JV game then OUR BYF board will look into it and handle it, no rules are bent by the board or the INDIVIDUALS (many) that started this league. How is it that they are to blame for a coaches poor judgement? Next, a JV game is for development and play time, I couldn't even tell you the records of my sons JV teams the past 4 years but I can of the varsity. Once again its not BYFL's fault Manchester joined with them, the cards were on the table, why is this a black mark on BYFL, blame Manchesters board, however they haven't even played a season yet, crazy, crazy thing just might happen, they might actually like this league, oh gasp!!!! that might put one foot in for panther, that would just be horrible. Lastly you haven't answered my simple yes or no answer, is the Fawcett stadium accusation that big of a deal, yes/no?
First off its not a accusation it is another fact. I think it is a big deal whwn one tries to sell itself as the elite. Is integrity not an issue in the journey of life. He puposely cheated someone out of money.

[Panther123]

The North Canton league got tired of NOTHING, just more bashing and it sounds good for you!! Fact, go on NC web site and make calls, they loved us in their league. They just wouldn't accomodate 3rd graders and BYF couldn't expect these kids to start with GYF and convert over to BYF after aseason or two. BYF thought these kids were ready for tackle football and NC never has in 50+ years. Sadly we're competing for the same kids. Make the calls and give me names not your bashing heresay from NC that got "tired" of BYF's BS. JV games, blah, blah, I don't think we had any undefeated JV teams and I can assure you we would have if we played so called V players in them all!!

I know you havent had any undeafeted teams, wins have been a little short in your program. How is splitting of two teams going to help other teams Jvs. There tring to learn the game and are going to be expected to compete against another teams varisty. I dont think it is very safe for a child to play two games. Why wouldn't you use your current format to accomadate 46 kids.

[bass10]

First off its not a accusation it is another fact. I think it is a big deal whwn one tries to sell itself as the elite. Is integrity not an issue in the journey of life. He puposely cheated someone out of money.

I was waiting. Here is a FACT! GYF never paid Green All Sports Boosters for a full page ad placed in last years football program!! Now here is a Booster club that worked their butts off to get turf laid down (the very turf GYF will open their season on) and GYF can't even support them by paying for their ad(stiffed em)!! This is the booster Clubs second largest money maker. There, put that in the pipe and smoke it, Integrity, are you living in a glass house?

[Panther123]

Exactly, I didn't know the facts on all this or the other GYF bashing so I didn't jump on it. The same as you shouldn't, don't think you know everything, you just know the bad gossipp you here and run with it, I don't care if you have an insider or not you're not hearing everything. Is there any good being done with BYFL? We have about 50 great people donating alot of time for the kids, alot of dumb, idiots doing alot of wrong here huh?

byf allows big kids to play that is great. That is really the only thing good that is offered. Yes I am sure you have great Volunteers, but facts are the facts. I know what is said at some of the meetings and facts are fact. Cheating rule bending and lies are not a good format to start a new league on. Your freshmen team has 20 or so kids how has byf helped bring out more kids to football?

[Irish87]

Panther,
I have stated many times, Springfield has no issues with SYF. It is a good League and has done many good things for the kids. Springfield came to a crossroad last year. Our numbers were down, our Schools are dwindling, moral is down all over the community and our High School Football Team has won one game in 3 years. We had many internal issues last year with our youth football organization. People on the outside had no clue that our Organization was crumbling from the inside out. There was no communication, there was no leadership and decisions were being made by one person without any consideration to any other Board Members. Our leadership quit on us, right in the middle of our trip to Florida. Tempers flaired and many confrontations ensued. This was un-acceptable in my eyes. Springfield Youth needed to get back to the kids and re-build in order to bring back a healthy successful organization. We felt, the way to do this, was to get as many kids out for Football, as possible. We also felt, we needed to get as many of these kids on the football field competing, as possible. When we looked at the new BYF League, we honestly felt this was a better fit for our Organization and its kids. Time will tell if we made the right decision or not. At this point, it really doesn't matter. We have a ton of kids, we have better leadership, we have unity amoung the Board Members, we are communicating to the parents better than ever and so far, things are running smooth. Will we encounter a problem in the new League? Probably, but every League has its issues. SYF has its issues. BYF has its issues. You can't worry about what might happen in the future. With a non-profit organization like Youth Football, the leaders need to look at the overall picture, and make decisions based on its children, not because of relationships with people within any other League. SYF has worked with Springfield in the past and it has always been appreciated. But SYF is not directly involved with decisions that were made by Springfields Leaders. They saw one side of everything and thought everything was peaches and roses. Well, it wasn't.
What happened in our community, should have never taken place. SYF should have stayed out of our business. The majority voted to leave. Get over it. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work, but to continue to help with the split is and was not the right thing to do for the kids. Changing rules around, to accomodate the Springfield Suburban Youth Football program is not the right thing to do. They see the turnout from both Leagues. SYF should have stepped in, and gave advise to these people, to let it go. If they wanted to re-group and go at it again next year, more power to them, but to continue the Law Suit threats and the power struggle for Refrigerators and Equipment, is not the right thing to do. Rules are bent, broke every year by many different organizations. Unfortunately, thats the society we live in. is it right? No, but it happens. Heck, Springfield was caught last year concerning a falsified Birth Certificate. We're they punished this year? No, in fact rules are being offered, changed and bent, in order for them to stay. Any other Community would have been shown the door and asked not to come back.

My point is, a decision was made. The people of the Community were informed at the time of sign ups(whether anyone wants to believe it or not), and are fully aware of all the crap that is going on, and they are still sticking with the BYF program. Whats done, is done. Everyone needs to move on and focus on their season, instead of trying to figure out how to pay Court Fees and Lawyer Bills. If in the future, we see things headed south, then we as an Organization, will sit down and discuss what is best for the children of Springfield/Lakemore.

[Panther123]

I was waiting. Here is a FACT! GYF never paid Green All Sports Boosters for a full page ad placed in last years football program!! Now here is a Booster club that worked their butts off to get turf laid down (the very turf GYF will open their season on) and GYF can't even support them by paying for their ad(stiffed em)!! This is the booster Clubs second largest money maker. There, put that in the pipe and smoke it, Integrity, are you living in a glass house?

That gyf asked for this ad and never paid for it.

[bass10]

I know you havent had any undeafeted teams, wins have been a little short in your program. How is splitting of two teams going to help other teams Jvs. There tring to learn the game and are going to be expected to compete against another teams varisty. I dont think it is very safe for a child to play two games. Why wouldn't you use your current format to accomadate 46 kids.

It's not all about winning and our Varsity teams are doing just fine (no 10 time national championships yet though) Before you talk Know the facts their are 41 kids on A squad not your inflated to make us look bad 46, our format is being upheld we have to split at 48. 41 is not hardly enough to play 20 kids in two games a week, JV & V. And 41 is a big squad even for a V & JV. Yes 41 7th graders to GYF's 11-13? But we're the bad, lying, cheating, no integrity league, huh!!

[bass10]

That gyf asked for this ad and never paid for it.

The ads make up the bulk of their money, they wouldn't give free ads, they were solicited and wanted an ad? BYF paid for theirs (thats until you give us your "inside info" that they didn't) full page back cover.

[Panther123]

Panther,
I have stated many times, Springfield has no issues with SYF. It is a good League and has done many good things for the kids. Springfield came to a crossroad last year. Our numbers were down, our Schools are dwindling, moral is down all over the community and our High School Football Team has won one game in 3 years. We had many internal issues last year with our youth football organization. People on the outside had no clue that our Organization was crumbling from the inside out. There was no communication, there was no leadership and decisions were being made by one person without any consideration to any other Board Members. Our leadership quit on us, right in the middle of our trip to Florida. Tempers flaired and many confrontations ensued. This was un-acceptable in my eyes. Springfield Youth needed to get back to the kids and re-build in order to bring back a healthy successful organization. We felt, the way to do this, was to get as many kids out for Football, as possible. We also felt, we needed to get as many of these kids on the football field competing, as possible. When we looked at the new BYF League, we honestly felt this was a better fit for our Organization and its kids. Time will tell if we made the right decision or not. At this point, it really doesn't matter. We have a ton of kids, we have better leadership, we have unity amoung the Board Members, we are communicating to the parents better than ever and so far, things are running smooth. Will we encounter a problem in the new League? Probably, but every League has its issues. SYF has its issues. BYF has its issues. You can't worry about what might happen in the future. With a non-profit organization like Youth Football, the leaders need to look at the overall picture, and make decisions based on its children, not because of relationships with people within any other League. SYF has worked with Springfield in the past and it has always been appreciated. But SYF is not directly involved with decisions that were made by Springfields Leaders. They saw one side of everything and thought everything was peaches and roses. Well, it wasn't.
What happened in our community, should have never taken place. SYF should have stayed out of our business. The majority voted to leave. Get over it. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work, but to continue to help with the split is and was not the right thing to do for the kids. Changing rules around, to accomodate the Springfield Suburban Youth Football program is not the right thing to do. They see the turnout from both Leagues. SYF should have stepped in, and gave advise to these people, to let it go. If they wanted to re-group and go at it again next year, more power to them, but to continue the Law Suit threats and the power struggle for Refrigerators and Equipment, is not the right thing to do. Rules are bent, broke every year by many different organizations. Unfortunately, thats the society we live in. is it right? No, but it happens. Heck, Springfield was caught last year concerning a falsified Birth Certificate. We're they punished this year? No, in fact rules are being offered, changed and bent, in order for them to stay. Any other Community would have been shown the door and asked not to come back.

My point is, a decision was made. The people of the Community were informed at the time of sign ups(whether anyone wants to believe it or not), and are fully aware of all the crap that is going on, and they are still sticking with the BYF program. Whats done, is done. Everyone needs to move on and focus on their season, instead of trying to figure out how to pay Court Fees and Lawyer Bills. If in the future, we see things headed south, then we as an Organization, will sit down and discuss what is best for the children of Springfield/Lakemore.

for the actions of others that are not part of the group any more. Irish I agree with most of your facts. The problem is that Byf is being sold on what Syf is not. As you well know and have stated. It is a strong program with some issues. Put top quality football on the field. As you found out last year in your florida trip, can compete with the best around. Your program should use the mentality of build it they will come. Problem is When Byf first started they tried that and it did not work so they have regrouped and are tring again. So it is a little personel for some. As Springfield I wish you the best but as a program cant say the same.
Funny thing when you guys decided to go to byf. The bulldog people paid for a sign to put up in front of the High School. It stated something like Bulldog Youth football welcomes Ellet Tallmadge Springfield Manchester. I am pretty sure the people of Green thought to themselves wow thats great. Where are they welcoming them to.

[Panther123]

The ads make up the bulk of their money, they wouldn't give free ads, they were solicited and wanted an ad? BYF paid for theirs (thats until you give us your "inside info" that they didn't) full page back cover.

will you find out if Don Stiffed Fawcet Stadiumn for me.

[Irish87]

for the actions of others that are not part of the group any more. Irish I agree with most of your facts. The problem is that Byf is being sold on what Syf is not. As you well know and have stated. It is a strong program with some issues. Put top quality football on the field. As you found out last year in your florida trip, can compete with the best around. Your program should use the mentality of build it they will come. Problem is When Byf first started they tried that and it did not work so they have regrouped and are tring again. So it is a little personel for some. As Springfield I wish you the best but as a program cant say the same.
Funny thing when you guys decided to go to byf. The bulldog people paid for a sign to put up in front of the High School. It stated something like Bulldog Youth football welcomes Ellet Tallmadge Springfield Manchester. I am pretty sure the people of Green thought to themselves wow that great. Were are they welcoming them to.

As with any new business, you need to sell your Company to get it up and running. Whether the Marketing strategy is honest or deceitful, its still up to the consumer to choose who he or she does business with. In the end, the truths will come out and the consumers will basically decide if the business succeeds or fails.

BYF is still new and growing. Time will tell if it stays or goes, but right now so far, most people in Springfield are satisfied with its operation. We appreciate the information from everybody about the past occurences with the program, but at this point, the decision was made. We all need to move on. Doesn't matter what anybody else brings up at this point, we are Springfield Youth Football - B.Y.F.

[local viewer]

Panther,

There are some points in your mutiple posts I would like to address.

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“ Everyone plays, actually there is a form on Tallmadge talking exactly about the new type of football that is tring to be pushed. No playoffs everyone plays and etc.”

I have read and reread the Tallmadge website looking for where you found this form that you developed this thought from. I cannot find it. The only sentence that maybe possibly caused this interpretation is the one “The weight structure in this new league will allow everyone an opportunity to play from Kindergarten through 7th grade”

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“The problem is that Byf is being sold on what Syf is not.”

Exactly, here in Tallmadge we wanted all kids to be able to play. Not just those that are the “predetermined” size. No kid should ever be “too big” for football.

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“Funny thing when you guys decided to go to byf. The bulldog people paid for a sign to put up in front of the High School. It stated something like Bulldog Youth football welcomes Ellet Tallmadge Springfield Manchester.”

How nice that they thought of us. Why are you upset about a welcome sign?

As a mother of 2 boys, one on the bigger side and one on the smaller side, I just can not understand why you, a retired grandparent would spend all day on this site trying to undermined an organiztion that just wants to get kids playing football.

[greendad]

byf allows big kids to play that is great. That is really the only thing good that is offered. Yes I am sure you have great Volunteers, but facts are the facts. I know what is said at some of the meetings and facts are fact. Cheating rule bending and lies are not a good format to start a new league on. Your freshmen team has 20 or so kids how has byf helped bring out more kids to football?

when the current freshman boys were playing middle school ball, there were quite a few boys that didnt want to play anymore, because the middle school program is quite a bit tougher than either youth programs.
if every kid that played youth ball would go on to HS ball, the team would be massive, think about it. if theres 20-30 boys from each class on the HS team, that makes 60-90 players, more than enough.

[Panther123]

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If the emphasis in this league is teaching fundamentals and ensuring playing time, why would there be playoffs and a championship game? Sounds like a contradiction to the principles to which they are trying to promote this league!




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If the emphasis in this league is teaching fundamentals and ensuring playing time, why would there be playoffs and a championship game? Sounds like a contradiction to the principles to which they are trying to promote this league!

Your right Indian, why even keep score?





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Your right Indian, why even keep score?

I agree.

They shouldn't even play, everyone should just join hands and sing the Barney theme



You guys must be right winning a PEEWEE championship should be the goal of every community. i mean they might remember it when they grow up. The whole intent behind this league was to prepare these young undeveloped children to understand the game, learn sound technique and proper fundamentals, to play with respect for themselves and their opponents, and to love the greatest game God ever invented. It is to prepare them for the next level. That is why the high school coaches were to be involved in every communities youth program to develop a sound program to hopefully compete for a state title. If you ask your high school coach what they like least about the set up, it is the playoff and championship system. To many adults take advantage of youth sports for the purpose of winning a PEEWEE championship! And it ruins your organization! Look at the team that claims to win a national youth championship every year, how many state titles has that school won? Come on people get a grip, youth sports is to be for fun!




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If i had to guess, you two must be from Green, right?






There's nothing wrong with having a post season in pee-wee football. It's no different than having a conference champion, except that you're playing some extra games to determine that champion after the regular season.

How about this. You can teach fundamentals, make the game fun, and go to the playoffs. The three things aren't mutually exclusive concepts. In fact, the three concepts work hand in hand with each other, one concept lending itself to the other.

I remember as a kid in peewees, going to the playoffs had a very special feeling to it, akin to the magic and excitement felt just before Christmas. It made you feel special, it made you proud of your team and coaches and the playoffs were nothing but a positive experience. And best of all, it extended your season so you could play MORE football. Woota!! More Football!!

We sell kids far too short in their understanding of the fun of competitiveness and the sheer fun of playing football, for playing football's sake. Playoffs, are merely a natural extension of those two things.


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If i had to guess, you two must be from Green, right?

I'm not from Green.





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You guys must be right winning a PEEWEE championship should be the goal of every community. i mean they might remember it when they grow up. The whole intent behind this league was to prepare these young undeveloped children to understand the game, learn sound technique and proper fundamentals, to play with respect for themselves and their opponents, and to love the greatest game God ever invented. It is to prepare them for the next level. That is why the high school coaches were to be involved in every communities youth program to develop a sound program to hopefully compete for a state title. If you ask your high school coach what they like least about the set up, it is the playoff and championship system. To many adults take advantage of youth sports for the purpose of winning a PEEWEE championship! And it ruins your organization! Look at the team that claims to win a national youth championship every year, how many state titles has that school won? Come on people get a grip, youth sports is to be for fun!

Oh brother



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According to Indian, we should be ashamed of the boys who went to the Little League World Series a few back. I also don't remember 2 hour practices in 90 degree heat being fun. Is self discipline fun? Is hard work fun? Is self sacrifice for the good of the whole team fun? I have a grip Indian. Youth athletics is not about fun. Its about feeling good about oneself and learning what it takes to succeed in life. Post season play is just a reward for those things I mentioned.




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You guys must be right winning a PEEWEE championship should be the goal of every community. i mean they might remember it when they grow up. The whole intent behind this league was to prepare these young undeveloped children to understand the game, learn sound technique and proper fundamentals, to play with respect for themselves and their opponents, and to love the greatest game God ever invented. It is to prepare them for the next level. That is why the high school coaches were to be involved in every communities youth program to develop a sound program to hopefully compete for a state title. If you ask your high school coach what they like least about the set up, it is the playoff and championship system. To many adults take advantage of youth sports for the purpose of winning a PEEWEE championship! And it ruins your organization! Look at the team that claims to win a national youth championship every year, how many state titles has that school won? Come on people get a grip, youth sports is to be for fun!

So according to you it's all about preparing athletes for the next level, so following your logic why bother having playoffs at high school? Isn't it the high school coaches job to prepare the kids for the next level?



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So according to you it's all about preparing athletes for the next level, so following your logic why bother having playoffs at high school? Isn't it the high school coaches job to prepare the kids for the next level?


Then.........Eliminate the College Bowl Games

The only postseason should be in the NFL




I say eliminate all games, and at the end of a fun week of practice, hand out Juice Boxes and Lil' Debbie Snack Cakes to all the children, to show our appreciation for participating.




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Do the coaches get a juice box and snack cake also?




Thank you for all of your input, I now know what to expect from all of your respective organizations this season. Good luck to all!


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Thank you for all of your input, I now know what to expect from all of your respective organizations this season. Good luck to all!

Right, because I'm sure "your" organization doesn't care about winning. They only care about the development of your "underdeveloped children" and making sure everyone is happy and plays the same amount of time. Why make them work or earn positions? I agree with you...forget the playoffs!! Just let everyone play wherever they want. We certainly do not want to create the appearance of competition!! These "underdeveloped children" should be treated with kid gloves so as not to upset them. This will prepare them for the next level of football and life!!




A few years back, SYF put in a feel good scenario where every varsity team made the playoffs. It's the only reason we went to post season and none of my players felt good about it because they knew we had not played the caliber of football to earn it. They only felt good about playing just one more game of the game they loved. There are some programs that virtually have little or no chance to make the playoffs but if you were to ask those young athletes if they would want to do away with the playoffs, what do you think would be their answer? It's funny when 12 and 13 year olds can have a grip when some adults can't.

[Panther123]

I will have your answer soon about the program. Hasn't Byf always put there add on the back page. Th programs just went to print Gyf has never had an ad. I am pretty sure noone would print an ad that was not paid for. Seeing there would have to be proofing and etc. Are you sure your acts are straight. Any info on Fawcet stadiumn.I will get back to you soon.

[tyfateam]

Reading all of this is just exhausting. This is about “youth” football right?

That’s what I thought. I was just double checking.

[SPARTANPRIDE]

manchester123, just want to correct you on saying that manchester didnt even see a byf game and choose to switch without doing so. in fact when we started looking for other possibilties ,we found the byf they didnt come looking for us. in fact the first game we went and watched was a byf game and low behold i felt we where at a suburban league game. i mean there i was checking out this new league, sitting next to me was a rep. from manchester,stow,cuy falls,ravanna,ellet,and kent. so i started asking myself what was going on here. could it be possible that these other teams our feeling the same way we are .your right when you said that suburban had problems but for years they just werent listening to our needs as a program and we just had to fix it . i applaud the members of springfield byf for taking hold of this chance to give this community a better football program for the future....

[Panther123]

No ad that is the words from Mr.Oing. Gyf owes no one any money for any full page ad.

[local viewer]

OK Panther,

I see where you got that from now. You typed form not forum so I was confused I was looking for an actual FORM. But still, do you not see most of those posts regarding playoffs were sarcastic? I can't speak for every parent, but in Tallmadge the majority of parents support a playoff system and want competive football. Somehow, no matter how many people try to twist words, Tallmadge parents understand the Whole thought process behind the Buckeye System. Maybe it is rocket science for the rest.

[green pride]

Bass I thought you were coming around. First off no gyf did not put money towards the turf project because we have set up a scholarship program for Green High School for graduating seniors. In our 50 years we have donated over 100,000 to Green Schools so dont question our support. GYF helped build the last stadium again your words get the facts. I applaud everyone that worked on the turf project. I am not going to bash BYF in Green I havent done this in quite some time. Good luck this year Bass I hope you dont start the crap up again. I was waiting. Here is a FACT! GYF never paid Green All Sports Boosters for a full page ad placed in last years football program!! Now here is a Booster club that worked their butts off to get turf laid down (the very turf GYF will open their season on) and GYF can't even support them by paying for their ad(stiffed em)!! This is the booster Clubs second largest money maker. There, put that in the pipe and smoke it, Integrity, are you living in a glass house?

[SPARTANPRIDE]

No ad that is the words from Mr.Oing. Gyf owes no one any money for any full page ad. Any word on Don owing that money.Hey manchester, just got off the phone with spartanmom she said she's got the other shifts lined up so dont worry about the money .She said its not a problem she's got big Don's back. Just let her know how much and who to sign the check to....

[spartanmom12]

Hey manchester, just got off the phone with spartanmom she said she's got the other shifts lined up so dont worry about the money .She said its not a problem she's got big Don's back. Just let her know how much and who to sign the check to.... My time is valuable, WHAT NOW! You can only rub the Jeanie's lamp so many times before she comes out. Sorry boys I'm not coming to the golf tourney because I have a date with a very special man. He has given me free tanning lessons since his wife dumped him. I have to go to the store and get some high gloss silver for my boys, so see ya at springhill tonight. Almost forgot to tel you guys we went to my new guys friends house last night. It was so cool because this guy was only 4 1/2 foot tall and his dad was the same guy who was creeping me out at work that one night. You fellows wouldn't know him so I can't reveal the names so goodbye. Sorry Irish we could of been happy.

[Buckeye29]

I see the bring your own food league brought it up to your practice acting like they owned the field. I am well informed of your politics.

I've said this before and I'll say it again-----you are a sad little man!! Any adult that would poke fun at a kid for being overweight, or just big, is truely pathetic!!! Do you make fun of handicap people too, or just kids?

[Buckeye29]

You seem like the most level headed on here. This is my biggest complaint with the whole thing. Bulldog youth football has been tring to squash Gyf. As you have read Im very passionate about Gyf and Manchester as well as Syf as a whole. One guy who didn't get his way started this new league because of his son not getting to play on the team he wanted, after the season had started which there was two teams at his level. Weights of children were not even an issue. Im not saying there is not a valid point about weights in syf. So He starts this new league and the whole basis of it teaching football. We would all agree that is what we all try to do. Everyone plays, actually there is a form on Tallmadge talking exactly about the new type of football that is tring to be pushed. No playoffs everyone plays and etc. If you have coached for a while I am sure you can see Children today are softer and have less discipline then the children of ten years ago. Football is a life lesson in many areas for these young men. Point is the message of the original Bulldog youth football was happiness and every kid plays we are all equal . This is not football and this is not life. That lasted for a couple of years and then the bending of rules started. Kids were being put into Jv games to become competive. This is a fact not a lie, kids that played a whole game would then turn around and play a Jv game just to win. Just like this year but worse two teams, now Varisity kids will play both. Fact teams in the original North Canton League became tired of the continual bs. Again a new league was formed and again the advertising of this and that begins. No restictions on kids evryone plays Jv varsity format win win chicken dinner. Already rule bending begins, not the magic number wasn't met to split teams. Everyone is being used to try and kill gyf this is not a byf syf thing. This is were my dislike come in for bulldog youth football, we were used Manchester as like a knife to hurt the Gyf. Just as you and the other teams the have moved. Anything will be promised but not upheld just to try and rip apart Syf. Our program will be worse this year then in many. For every 4 larger kids you get we have maybe gotten one. We bought not even seeing a byf game. I feel that people on here from syf are close to springfield. Over the years the two have helped each other out. I see you guys getting caught up in a mess because of one hate for another league for ones personal gain. I try to show the other side of the coin. I realize that whats done is done, but keep your eyes open because you are dealing with a league that is not upfront. The league is new and is run by a man that only cares about him. Irish good luck during the season. I assure you though there will be isuues coming up soon. Like I said I have a friend very close to Bulldog Youth football who is on the board. Ellet thinks that they were picked on in Syf watch and see what happens in this league.

Dude, you talk about rule bending-----what the heck is all the crap I've been hearing about the Suburban League letting Springfield do this year?

Also, scrimaging non-Suburban League teams? Other Suburban league teams have wanted to do that for years and have been told no!

People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!!!!

[green pride]

No one has ever proposed this in the 25 years I have been with the SYF. Dont hate because we are doing new and exciting things. Dude, you talk about rule bending-----what the heck is all the crap I've been hearing about the Suburban League letting Springfield do this year?

Also, scrimaging non-Suburban League teams? Other Suburban league teams have wanted to do that for years and have been told no!

People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!!!!

[RightNow]

No one has ever proposed this in the 25 years I have been with the SYF. Dont hate because we are doing new and exciting things.

Paul....seriously, you've been with SYF 25 years?? You've been involved since you were.... 17 years old. If you'd quit exaggerating the truth and bashing people maybe they'd listen.

[Smashmouth#1]

Not sure who your getting your info from but I'll state again, stories get twisted thru the tellings and grow worse with each person telling them. I've heard the same rule bendings accusations about GYF. Last year one was the season was started late to accomodate on kid (Kapulak)??? I never brought this or the other things I heard because I'm smart enough to weed this crap out. ?

This one is just hillarious. It could be disregarded by simply reading posts on here. Keep em comin' minnow, I am rolling on the floor.


Next, a JV game is for development and play time, I couldn't even tell you the records of my sons JV teams the past 4 years but I can of the varsity.?
This whole "JV is developmental" has just come about in the past month. Nowhere has it ever been stated that JV is developmental, just that "we wil have 2 games, all kids get to play. koombuya my lord koombuya"


is the Fawcett stadium accusation that big of a deal, yes/no?

NOw why would you answer his question with a question? Hmmm....avoiding an answer????

[Smashmouth#1]

Dude, you talk about rule bending-----what the heck is all the crap I've been hearing about the Suburban League letting Springfield do this year?

Also, scrimaging non-Suburban League teams? Other Suburban league teams have wanted to do that for years and have been told no.

Don't know what you are talking about with Springfield pulling, wont go there, not sure what you are talking about. SYFL teams are currently allowed to scrimmage non-suburban league teams, I believe that the rules format needs to be similar though, I would need to doublecheck on that last part.

[Panther123]

I went out and got the answers for you. Can you give me an answer on the big Don, on screwing fawcet stadiumn.

[GR1FAN]

Dude, you talk about rule bending-----what the heck is all the crap I've been hearing about the Suburban League letting Springfield do this year?

Also, scrimaging non-Suburban League teams? Other Suburban league teams have wanted to do that for years and have been told no!

People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!!!! We have informed all the current directors in the syfl that Springfield has exemptions to the rules.

We need Springfield to make a example to the rest of the defectors we can survive at all cost. If you have a problem with the way we run the syfl then go see your director and he will explain to you the format.

Maybe you should think about taking your kid to byf, and leave syfl out of your mouth buckeye29. Let the adults take care of business.

[green pride]

My first year of coaching when I was a Senior in High School. I was a assistant in 1983. I tell the truth I have all the team pictures if you would like to see. You listening now?Paul....seriously, you've been with SYF 25 years?? You've been involved since you were.... 17 years old. If you'd quit exaggerating the truth and bashing people maybe they'd listen.

[wildcat62]

Not getting involved in anyone's arguement , but I can verify green pride's involvement with gyf as 25 yrs.

[RightNow]

My first year of coaching when I was a Senior in High School. I was a assistant in 1983. I tell the truth I have all the team pictures if you would like to see. You listening now?

I sincerely apologize.

[bass10]

This one is just hillarious. It could be disregarded by simply reading posts on here. Keep em comin' minnow, I am rolling on the floor.

Whats hillarious is a guy that supposedly did his "extreme" homework on both leagues before committing to GYF and really knows NOTHING about BYF's format. Our JV has been set up since day one like this, helloooooo, is anyone home. Did you do your homework or not, who from BYF did you talk to? I guess as long as you're rolling, laughing on the floor you can't be talking out of both sides of your mouth.

[bass10]

I went out and got the answers for you. Can you give me an answer on the big Don, on screwing fawcet stadiumn.

Before you go putting a feather in your cap, hold off. Just because a good friend tells you something doesn't meen he's in the know. Even if he's the president, he has little to no facts on the book and who paid, trust me he's playing the diplomat on this. Better resource would be to go directly to Paul (pretty sure you know him, Ha!) and have last years treasurer prove it was paid. If everyone's standup & a man (not afraid to admit to facts) you'll see differently. Also, I will look into Fawcett for you but I'm extremely busy and have no clue who I'd contact from Fawcett?? Just telling u like it is.

[bass10]

Bass I thought you were coming around. First off no gyf did not put money towards the turf project because we have set up a scholarship program for Green High School for graduating seniors. In our 50 years we have donated over 100,000 to Green Schools so dont question our support. GYF helped build the last stadium again your words get the facts. I applaud everyone that worked on the turf project. I am not going to bash BYF in Green I havent done this in quite some time. Good luck this year Bass I hope you dont start the crap up again.

Paul, not saying GYF does not support the schools or sports. You guys do as much as BYF. I'm on here defending negatism like you and mouth, this can of worms was opened by someone you know dearly, not me. I've known things for months I never mention on here because I believe they're lies towards GYF or half truths getting stretched, would have never mentioned this if no one would have questioned the integrity of BYF. You know the pure truth on this and I'll leave it at that.

[green pride]

My dad is 73 years old has not been in this fight for 3 years. Doesnt know how to use a computor so not quite sure were you are getting your facts. You love to throw my name around it is getting kind of funny at this point. You have said we dont support the schools and you have said numerous negative things about my family and myself. I thought we were done Bass but you want to keep up the fight. There is numerous things I know as fact about BYF and many members I would prefer to say them face to face so I could get the real story unlike you. I have alway s said who I was because I am not the type of person to talk behind someones back. If you want to know anything about GYF or myself call me Pm me but dont make accusations that arent true. I have spoken with Mr Oing about this and others so dont come on here as being in the know. Gyf has always supported the school and always will. I will not talk bad about BYF the only problem I have ever had is how the ends justify the means attitude. Bass I hope you can ever get past this fight or at least let me know who you are so we can sit down and talk this out. I have asked you before I will keep your name to myself but talk to me if you have a problem dont listen to gossip.Paul, not saying GYF does not support the schools or sports. You guys do as much as BYF. I'm on here defending negatism like you and mouth, this can of worms was opened by someone you know dearly, not me. I've known things for months I never mention on here because I believe they're lies towards GYF or half truths getting stretched, would have never mentioned this if no one would have questioned the integrity of BYF. You know the pure truth on this and I'll leave it at that.

[Smashmouth#1]

Bass, really quit, i might just p---- my pants I'm laughing so hard. Keep making assumptions and trying to float rumors that are all wrong and making yourself look exactly what you call anyone that doesn't agree with you.
HAHAHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! !!!

HILLARIOUS.

[Smashmouth#1]

I'll tell ya what Bass, I'll be at the field at 2500 Greensburg Road in about half an hour. I'll be there for a good hour and a half or 2. Come on down and we can fix each others rumors, get the truth out, straighten each other out about each league.


if tonite isn't good, tell me a time and a place, I am at the field coaching monday through thursday,I will make a point to put into my schedule

[tallmadge H2 dad]

It's unbelievable that the season has started, the teams have been set, the kids have started hitting, scrimmages are fast approaching, yet the banter continues. Who are the REAL children here?

Ridiculous and embarrassing.

[brownandorange]

Well put H2. Irish87, it sounds like you guys are doing all the right things. I saw a Springfield hs game last year and there were maybe 20 kids. This will help down the road. The Green/Manchester people are questioning why there are only 20 or something kids on freshman and not many on the 8th grade team. If you have 34 7th graders and 30 some 6th graders this problem will take care of itself down the road. Any moran can see that. You sound like a class act so disregard all the whinning babies on here and continue doing what you're doing. Good luck this year.

[thepolster]

Well put H2. Irish87, it sounds like you guys are doing all the right things. I saw a Springfield hs game last year and there were maybe 20 kids. This will help down the road. The Green/Manchester people are questioning why there are only 20 or something kids on freshman and not many on the 8th grade team. If you have 34 7th graders and 30 some 6th graders this problem will take care of itself down the road. Any moran can see that. You sound like a class act so disregard all the whinning babies on here and continue doing what you're doing. Good luck this year.


C`mon brownandorange, Irishes head is big enough. He floats around practice like hes allmighty himself :rolleyes: . Him and the whole organization is doing a fantastic job.

[Buckeye29]

We have informed all the current directors in the syfl that Springfield has exemptions to the rules.

We need Springfield to make a example to the rest of the defectors we can survive at all cost. If you have a problem with the way we run the syfl then go see your director and he will explain to you the format.

Maybe you should think about taking your kid to byf, and leave syfl out of your mouth buckeye29. Let the adults take care of business.

All I have a problem with is "double standards"! I read a lot of posts on here last year about Ellet cheating and Springfield & Tallmadge fixing their scales, etc..... Now you are allowing some of the things that everyone complained about all summer. I mean the thing with Ellet was over kids playing for them that didn't live in Ellet, right??? Now Springfield is allowed to have kids that do not live in Springfield??? Double standards never work!!!!

If my kid lived in an area that had BYF I would take them there, but for now we're stuck.

Which adults are you refering to? Can't be you, the only person on here who makes fun of kids. Maybe you should see your way back to Green's forum and make fun of the bigger kids in your own community.

Also, to greenpride, I've talked to people who have wanted to set up their own scrimmages with teams outside the SYFL in the past and were told no. Now, when Green wants to do it alll of the sudden it's okay. Just another "double standard" I'm talking about. I was also told that it was not an unanimous vote to scrimmage outside the subburban league. Cuyahoga Falls did vote no.

My other question is how can Springfield field a varsity team with only 11 kids on it. That's how many they had at their scrimmage against C Falls today. Is an eleven kid team really good for your league? Is it good for the kids on that team? I'd have to say NO! I guess it's more about what's best for your precious league and not what's best for the kids.

I don't hate the SYFL, ---- I played in it. I just think the so called adults need to be more accountable to the kids. If the best thing for the kids of Springfield, or any community, is to switch leagues then just accept it and move on. Don't "USE" a handfull of kids to advance your league.

[Irish87]

Well put H2. Irish87, it sounds like you guys are doing all the right things. I saw a Springfield hs game last year and there were maybe 20 kids. This will help down the road. The Green/Manchester people are questioning why there are only 20 or something kids on freshman and not many on the 8th grade team. If you have 34 7th graders and 30 some 6th graders this problem will take care of itself down the road. Any moran can see that. You sound like a class act so disregard all the whinning babies on here and continue doing what you're doing. Good luck this year.


Thanx brown/orange.I've never claimed to be perfect, nor am I. I simply want to teach kids football. I love the game and I love coaching football. I am trying to move on and let the chips fall where they may.

On a side note, todays scrimmage vs Manchester was a huge success. After a lot of hard work, everything fell into place. Aaaahhh, football at last!! Seeing the dew on the field and the fog across the horizon was simply breathtaking. Nothing better than being at a Youth Football field all day, watching kids play the game they love, the way its supposed to be played. My hats off to the Manchester program. They have some class act people running their organization and all in attendance today had a blast. I have to add, seeing their 300 lb twelve year old was a site to see. Does he have an Agent yet? If the mother or father reads this, I will be the first to vounteer my services. The playing format was followed to a "T" today and everyone played a ton. Thank you Manchester for a great afternoon of football. I look forward to seeing you guys again during the regular season.

[thepolster]

Thanx brown/orange.I've never claimed to be perfect, nor am I. I simply want to teach kids football. I love the game and I love coaching football. I am trying to move on and let the chips fall where they may.

On a side note, todays scrimmage vs Manchester was a huge success. After a lot of hard work, everything fell into place. Aaaahhh, football at last!! Seeing the dew on the field and the fog across the horizon was simply breathtaking. Nothing better than being at a Youth Football field all day, watching kids play the game they love, the way its supposed to be played. My hats off to the Manchester program. They have some class act people running their organization and all in attendance today had a blast. I have to add, seeing their 300 lb twelve year old was a site to see. Does he have an Agent yet? If the mother or father reads this, I will be the first to vounteer my services. The playing format was followed to a "T" today and everyone played a ton. Thank you Manchester for a great afternoon of football. I look forward to seeing you guys again during the regular season.
It was great to see those games yesterday Irish. Every single kid played 20 downs or more for a scrimmage. Manchester looked good also. No injurys, not even a game stopped due to a injury. Thank You and the syf-byf for giving my kids a place to play the greatest game of all. FOOTBALL

[GR1FAN]

All I have a problem with is "double standards"! I read a lot of posts on here last year about Ellet cheating and Springfield & Tallmadge fixing their scales, etc..... Now you are allowing some of the things that everyone complained about all summer. I mean the thing with Ellet was over kids playing for them that didn't live in Ellet, right??? Now Springfield is allowed to have kids that do not live in Springfield??? Double standards never work!!!!

If my kid lived in an area that had BYF I would take them there, but for now we're stuck.

Which adults are you refering to? Can't be you, the only person on here who makes fun of kids. Maybe you should see your way back to Green's forum and make fun of the bigger kids in your own community.

Also, to greenpride, I've talked to people who have wanted to set up their own scrimmages with teams outside the SYFL in the past and were told no. Now, when Green wants to do it alll of the sudden it's okay. Just another "double standard" I'm talking about. I was also told that it was not an unanimous vote to scrimmage outside the subburban league. Cuyahoga Falls did vote no.

My other question is how can Springfield field a varsity team with only 11 kids on it. That's how many they had at their scrimmage against C Falls today. Is an eleven kid team really good for your league? Is it good for the kids on that team? I'd have to say NO! I guess it's more about what's best for your precious league and not what's best for the kids.

I don't hate the SYFL, ---- I played in it. I just think the so called adults need to be more accountable to the kids. If the best thing for the kids of Springfield, or any community, is to switch leagues then just accept it and move on. Don't "USE" a handfull of kids to advance your league. To answer your 11 kid varsity dispute, we are allowed to bring kids up from jv if needed. Many good coaches like Mr. Parker can get the job done with 11 kids. I don't know what planet your from but you are stirring up the pot in c.falls way to much.

And if Kap wants to scrimmage other teams then be it. He knows what he is doing. Your director doesn't have a clue. Green has how many championships?

[GR1FAN]

Well put H2. Irish87, it sounds like you guys are doing all the right things. I saw a Springfield hs game last year and there were maybe 20 kids. This will help down the road. The Green/Manchester people are questioning why there are only 20 or something kids on freshman and not many on the 8th grade team. If you have 34 7th graders and 30 some 6th graders this problem will take care of itself down the road. Any moran can see that. You sound like a class act so disregard all the whinning babies on here and continue doing what you're doing. Good luck this year.
Yea, we seen your games hee heee hee! Who let the farm out?!

[green pride]

Just to let everyone know I dont agree with much this guy says. We were contacted by Pop Warner and the Directors decieded this would be a great opportunity and Coply and Green said they would be willing to play these teams. I had nothing to do with getting this to happen they contacted our Secretary of the league. It was a great experience for Copley and Green.To answer your 11 kid varsity dispute, we are allowed to bring kids up from jv if needed. Many good coaches like Mr. Parker can get the job done with 11 kids. I don't know what planet your from but you are stirring up the pot in c.falls way to much.

And if Kap wants to scrimmage other teams then be it. He knows what he is doing. Your director doesn't have a clue. Green has how many championships?

[Buckeye29]

To answer your 11 kid varsity dispute, we are allowed to bring kids up from jv if needed. Many good coaches like Mr. Parker can get the job done with 11 kids. I don't know what planet your from but you are stirring up the pot in c.falls way to much.

And if Kap wants to scrimmage other teams then be it. He knows what he is doing. Your director doesn't have a clue. Green has how many championships?

You have no clue what you're talking about. I'm not stirring anything up in C. Falls. They have enough kids to support both leagues if they chose to. My kids don't even play for the Falls. All I know is their director, J. Romano, was not a supporter of scrimmaging outside of SYF. Personally, I don't care who scrimmages who. I just have to wonder why for years it was not aloud, but as soon as Green gets a chance to do it, then it is fine. I also find it funny that it was posted on here that there was an unanimous vote to scrimmage Pop Warner teams, but only two of your SYFL teams really wanted to.

Let me ask you this, what happens when one of the kids on an eleven man team gets hurt and can't finish the game? Is the coach going to be aloud to play in the game then? Also, are you saying kids can play in the JV & varsity game? Again, you are "USING" these kids.

[green pride]

Buckeye you dont have a clue. John from the Falls was not against playing Pop Warner he was against playing them this early, he wanted to play them at the end of the year. Green did not bring playing Pop Warner up they came to the league. Beyond popular belief Green does not make the decisions of the Suburban League. Secondly doesnt your middle school have 11 players also? Why is it ok for them and not SYF? It is amazing how every thing that happens must be Greens fault it is laughable at this point. Again everyone on here I could care less what happens in Springfield no matter what league you are in your high school will continue to be poor because you cant pass a levy. Your middle school will not have a team for the second year and if you run your SYF out of Springfield then no 8 th graders will play. You have no clue what you're talking about. I'm not stirring anything up in C. Falls. They have enough kids to support both leagues if they chose to. My kids don't even play for the Falls. All I know is their director, J. Romano, was not a supporter of scrimmaging outside of SYF. Personally, I don't care who scrimmages who. I just have to wonder why for years it was not aloud, but as soon as Green gets a chance to do it, then it is fine. I also find it funny that it was posted on here that there was an unanimous vote to scrimmage Pop Warner teams, but only two of your SYFL teams really wanted to.

Let me ask you this genius, what happens when one of the kids on an eleven man team gets hurt and can't finish the game? Is the coach going to be aloud to play in the game then? Also, are you saying kids can play in the JV & varsity game? Again, you are "USING" these kids.

[GR1FAN]

You have no clue what you're talking about. I'm not stirring anything up in C. Falls. They have enough kids to support both leagues if they chose to. My kids don't even play for the Falls. All I know is their director, J. Romano, was not a supporter of scrimmaging outside of SYF. Personally, I don't care who scrimmages who. I just have to wonder why for years it was not aloud, but as soon as Green gets a chance to do it, then it is fine. I also find it funny that it was posted on here that there was an unanimous vote to scrimmage Pop Warner teams, but only two of your SYFL teams really wanted to.

Let me ask you this genius, what happens when one of the kids on an eleven man team gets hurt and can't finish the game? Is the coach going to be aloud to play in the game then? Also, are you saying kids can play in the JV & varsity game? Again, you are "USING" these kids. Mr Parker will overcome your ridicule. There are plenty of kids who want to play for Springfield. As soon as the court case is over we will see who is who. I understand you live in c.f. Don't bring any problems to field either. I wish you understood the dynamic of syfl. Its a privilege your kids play for the syfl not a right. So I hope you understand speaking out against the syfl will hurt your kids in the long run. If parents would stay out of the spotlight I think we could be friends.

[Ragemaker]

Secondly doesnt your middle school have 11 players also? Why is it ok for them and not SYF? It is amazing how every thing that happens must be Greens fault it is laughable at this point. Again everyone on here I could care less what happens in Springfield no matter what league you are in your high school will continue to be poor because you cant pass a levy. Your middle school will not have a team for the second year and if you run your SYF out of Springfield then no 8 th graders will play.

Well, about the middle school... yeah last year we WERE in the SYF and didn't have a middle school team, uh looks like SYF didn't help anything there. As Irish has stated NUMEROUS times we knew this would be a rough year at this level. But we have 30 7th graders playing in the for us in the BYF and a good handful wouldn't be able to play because they weigh too much for the SYF. So those kids will play in 8th grade next year and we should have little problems fielding an 8th grade team. Secondly how would the SYF leaving have anything to do with not having enough 8th graders to play? We are in agreement that our system does need to pass a levy, but that is not the whole problem with our HS Football team... those problems have been and are still being addressed!!

[Ragemaker]

Mr Parker will overcome your ridicule. There are plenty of kids who want to play for Springfield. As soon as the court case is over we will see who is who. I understand you live in c.f. Don't bring any problems to field either. I wish you understood the dynamic of syfl. Its a privilege your kids play for the syfl not a right. So I hope you understand speaking out against the syfl will hurt your kids in the long run. If parents would stay out of the spotlight I think we could be friends.

Mr. Parker as you would like to call him is a JOKE!!!! You are right there are plenty of kids that want to play for Springfield go look at Schrop this evening at 5:30 and you will see them!! As far as the arrogant statement about being a pirvelege to play in the SYF... my son will never play in the SYF EVER for ANY reason again simply from the trash spewed out here!! And it is my Right to support a different league than the SYF. I don't know what spotlight you are talking about but we have great people in Springfield that just want their kids to learn, play and have fun with football, and that's what they are ALL doing now! Have fun with your 11 kids by the way, maybe when it's all said and done they can go back to Akron... and send the 3 or 4 that live in Springfield to Schrop!

[GR1FAN]

Mr. Parker as you would like to call him is a JOKE!!!! You are right there are plenty of kids that want to play for Springfield go look at Schrop this evening at 5:30 and you will see them!! As far as the arrogant statement about being a pirvelege to play in the SYF... my son will never play in the SYF EVER for ANY reason again simply from the trash spewed out here!! And it is my Right to support a different league than the SYF. I don't know what spotlight you are talking about but we have great people in Springfield that just want their kids to learn, play and have fun with football, and that's what they are ALL doing now! Have fun with your 11 kids by the way, maybe when it's all said and done they can go back to Akron... and send the 3 or 4 that live in Springfield to Schrop!
YEA, WAIT TILL THE LAWSUIT IS OVER AND THEN WE WILL TALK ABOUT SCHROP!!!!!!!!!

[green pride]

Our BYF had 30 some 7th graders two years ago now with SYF we only have 23 kids out for 9th grade. You will be lucky to keep half of those kids in middle school. What happen to all 7th and 8th graders play for the middle school. This is what your high school coach wanted. If you did not have BYF all the big kids in 7th grade could play middle school and you would have 20-30 kids not 11. You have taken kids from your own middle school program. We could debate this all day I hope the kids have a good experience were ever they play. Our numbers in Green have not increased since the inception of BYF. I think you will see you will have the same numbers in high school. Well, about the middle school... yeah last year we WERE in the SYF and didn't have a middle school team, uh looks like SYF didn't help anything there. As Irish has stated NUMEROUS times we knew this would be a rough year at this level. But we have 30 7th graders playing in the for us in the BYF and a good handful wouldn't be able to play because they weigh too much for the SYF. So those kids will play in 8th grade next year and we should have little problems fielding an 8th grade team. Secondly how would the SYF leaving have anything to do with not having enough 8th graders to play? We are in agreement that our system does need to pass a levy, but that is not the whole problem with our HS Football team... those problems have been and are still being addressed!!

[GR1FAN]

Mr. Parker as you would like to call him is a JOKE!!!! You are right there are plenty of kids that want to play for Springfield go look at Schrop this evening at 5:30 and you will see them!! As far as the arrogant statement about being a pirvelege to play in the SYF... my son will never play in the SYF EVER for ANY reason again simply from the trash spewed out here!! And it is my Right to support a different league than the SYF. I don't know what spotlight you are talking about but we have great people in Springfield that just want their kids to learn, play and have fun with football, and that's what they are ALL doing now! Have fun with your 11 kids by the way, maybe when it's all said and done they can go back to Akron... and send the 3 or 4 that live in Springfield to Schrop!
Every kid on SYF does not need to live in Springfield. The higher ups made it clear to all the syfl teams its there way or the highway. Unanimous vote 1! All teams are in favor of helping Mr Parker anyway they can, so CAN IT.!!

[Irish87]

FYI for everyone, if you think a lawsuit will stop Springfield from having BYF this year and future years, you're wrong.

I'll say it again, the only thing this lawsuit crap is doing, is splitting the community.

Is this all about the kids, or all about the lawsuit?

[green pride]

Dude who are you, everytime you speak I am more convinced that you are part of BYF and talking crap to discredit the SYF with your dribble. This person is not part of GYF dont know him.Every kid on SYF does not need to live in Springfield. The higher ups made it clear to all the syfl teams its there way or the highway. Unanimous vote 1! All teams are in favor of helping Mr Parker anyway they can, so CAN IT.!!

[spartan71]

FYI for everyone, if you think a lawsuit will stop Springfield from having BYF this year and future years, you're wrong.

I'll say it again, the only thing this lawsuit crap is doing, is splitting the community.

Is this all about the kids, or all about the lawsuit? your dead on with your splitting verbage Irish but the split is more like 95%BYF to 5%SYF...

[spartan71]

Dude who are you, everytime you speak I am more convinced that you are part of BYF and talking crap to discredit the SYF with your dribble. This person is not part of GYF dont know him. i was wondering when you guys would start to disown this Joker he is a cancer for anyone he claims to back... talk about spewing hatered

[green pride]

He definitly is not a backer of mine. I think it might be a ex coach at GYF but just a quess, like many big mouths they never give their name because they are cowards. i was wondering when you guys would start to disown this Joker he is a cancer for anyone he claims to back... talk about spewing hatered

[GR1FAN]

He definitly is not a backer of mine. I think it might be a ex coach at GYF but just a quess, like many big mouths they never give their name because they are cowards. Sorry Kap I thought since panther and nick wasnt telling me to quit I would keep going. sorry:shrug:

[green pride]

You are not part of SYF and not part of GYF. If you were you would tell me who you are. People have strong opinions about different leagues that is their choice but you are trying to act like you are part of SYF when actually you are a BYF person trying to start crap. Again another coward that wont tell who he is. Sorry Kap I thought since panther and nick wasnt telling me to quit I would keep going. sorry:shrug:

[Buckeye29]

Mr Parker will overcome your ridicule. There are plenty of kids who want to play for Springfield. As soon as the court case is over we will see who is who. I understand you live in c.f. Don't bring any problems to field either. I wish you understood the dynamic of syfl. Its a privilege your kids play for the syfl not a right. So I hope you understand speaking out against the syfl will hurt your kids in the long run. If parents would stay out of the spotlight I think we could be friends.

You just proved my point jack---! Any organization that would hold "CHILDREN" accountable for their parents "OPINIONS" is just wrong! So, if every parent doesn't agree with you, their kids will suffer? Do you ever stop and think about how incredibly stupid you sound?

No wonder greenpride is distancing himself from you, not only do you make fun of big kids, you make threats towards kids that parents don't agree with everything you say. You are truly pathetic!!!

I may not agree with everything greenpride says, but at least he seems to be an inteligent adult that would never stoop to your antics.

We do still live in the United States of America don't we? If I see something that I think is questionable and I question it what is wrong with that? If I'm missinformed then simply let me know, but don't ever think you can get away with threatening my kids!!! That I won't stand for Ace!!!!!!

Any time you want to meet and talk about it in person just let me know. Maybe you should see your way back to Green's forum-----if they'll have you.

[Buckeye29]

Buckeye you dont have a clue. John from the Falls was not against playing Pop Warner he was against playing them this early, he wanted to play them at the end of the year. Green did not bring playing Pop Warner up they came to the league. Beyond popular belief Green does not make the decisions of the Suburban League. Secondly doesnt your middle school have 11 players also? Why is it ok for them and not SYF? It is amazing how every thing that happens must be Greens fault it is laughable at this point. Again everyone on here I could care less what happens in Springfield no matter what league you are in your high school will continue to be poor because you cant pass a levy. Your middle school will not have a team for the second year and if you run your SYF out of Springfield then no 8 th graders will play.

All I know is what John told me at practice the other night when I asked him why Falls wasn't scrimmaging any Pop Warner teams. He said," This is SYF not Pop Warner and I didn't vote to scrimmage any Pop Warner teams." If he's missleading me then shame on him I guess.

Second, I never said that Green went looking to scrimmage outside of SYF, I simply said "when they got the chance...." I was told by a coach in Field that he has wanted to scrimmage teams up north for years, and he was always told he was not aloud to scrimmage outside of the SYFL. Again, if I was misslead, I apologize.

We knew our middle school would be down again this year, next year is when I think we will see if this change will work. Last year we didn't have BYF and we had no middle school team. Is that SYFL's fault? I don't think so, we also didn't have a wrestling team in middle school last year. Maybe it's just that particular class, maybe it was pay to play lingering, definately levy is an issue.

[thepolster]

All I know is what John told me at practice the other night when I asked him why Falls wasn't scrimmaging any Pop Warner teams. He said," This is SYF not Pop Warner and I didn't vote to scrimmage any Pop Warner teams." If he's missleading me then shame on him I guess.

Second, I never said that Green went looking to scrimmage outside of SYF, I simply said "when they got the chance...." I was told by a coach in Field that he has wanted to scrimmage teams up north for years, and he was always told he was not aloud to scrimmage outside of the SYFL. Again, if I was misslead, I apologize.

We knew our middle school would be down again this year, next year is when I think we will see if this change will work. Last year we didn't have BYF and we had no middle school team. Is that SYFL's fault? I don't think so, we also didn't have a wrestling team in middle school last year. Maybe it's just that particular class, maybe it was pay to play lingering, definately levy is an issue.The levy is not a issue anymore, Springfield schools will be running in the black this year since they closed old lakemore school. The levy will only be put back on a ballot when they get ready to build the new k-12. That's what I was told. We do have a jr high team this year, with the best coaches. Thats for sure.

[nick9]

Is this still a true statement. Rumor is 5 kids quite last night is this true?The levy is not a issue anymore, Springfield schools will be running in the black this year since they closed old lakemore school. The levy will only be put back on a ballot when they get ready to build the new k-12. That's what I was told. We do have a jr high team this year, with the best coaches. Thats for sure.

[proud2b#52]

I was there and witnessed 4 kids quit. My son is 12 going into the 8th grade, now what are his options??? to practice 3 weeks and be let down really sucks! This is similar to what happened last year, isn't it???

[green pride]

He can go play for SYF.I was there and witnessed 4 kids quit. My son is 12 going into the 8th grade, now what are his options??? to practice 3 weeks and be let down really sucks! This is similar to what happened last year, isn't it???

[thepolster]

Is this still a true statement. Rumor is 5 kids quite last night is this true?
Did brad over at the muffler shop give you a message?

[thepolster]

I was there and witnessed 4 kids quit. My son is 12 going into the 8th grade, now what are his options??? to practice 3 weeks and be let down really sucks! This is similar to what happened last year, isn't it??? 4 kids who couldn't take the rewards. We all know your son did not quit. The coaches did not let you down the players that quit did. This isn't youth football anymore, Skeggs cant go to the inner city and recruit kids. You have to play with kids in your own neighborhood. There are 101 kids in 8th grade, jr high had 6 and syf had none. Your kid might get some playing time at syf but I dought it since the inner city coaches and kids have it locked down. But it might be worth a try.

[green pride]

Froget the fight these kids need a place to play what would you suggest.4 kids who couldn't take the rewards. We all know your son did not quit. The coaches did not let you down the players that quit did. This isn't youth football anymore, Skeggs cant go to the inner city and recruit kids. You have to play with kids in your own neighborhood. There are 101 kids in 8th grade, jr high had 6 and syf had none. Your kid might get some playing time at syf but I dought it since the inner city coaches and kids have it locked down. But it might be worth a try.

[Irish87]

4 kids who couldn't take the rewards. We all know your son did not quit. The coaches did not let you down the players that quit did. This isn't youth football anymore, Skeggs cant go to the inner city and recruit kids. You have to play with kids in your own neighborhood. There are 101 kids in 8th grade, jr high had 6 and syf had none. Your kid might get some playing time at syf but I dought it since the inner city coaches and kids have it locked down. But it might be worth a try.

Polsters right. I mean 100 kids in 8th grade, and only 5 play Football?
Mr. D, I understand your dillema. We talked a little last night and I think you know your options, but are stuck between a rock and a hard place. I know you don't want to play for Springfield SYF, but if your son still wants to play, I'm sure SYF would grant you some sort of exemption, to play for Mogadore, Field or Green. I mean look at what their doing with Springfield. They would have to honor you an exemption as well. Lake also has a good program, but not sure if 8th graders have to play at their Middle School.
Not sure if there is a deadline for M.S. Football, but school starts in less than a week. Maybe someone can set up a table in the hallways on the first day, and ask around if any of these other 95 some odd boys/girls want to come out for football? Maybe even a Parent Broadcast to all 8th graders, reminding them or asking them for Football players. Maybe your son and the other 4 eigth graders could get together and be driven around by a parent to some of these kids homes, seeing if they'll come back?
I'm just thrwoing out options. In fact, if there is still a chance, I'd be willing to have the remaining kids come down to our practice and work out with us, until maybe more kids can sign up when school starts. Depending on legal issues and permission with parents, maybe these 5 kids left, would want to at least practice with us. Obvously games are out of the question(except for the 2 7th graders), but at least they'll get quality coaching and practice 3 times a week. Just a thought.

[thepolster]

Froget the fight these kids need a place to play what would you suggest.
Jr high isnt done .Its up to kids or parents. Every kid that quit yesterday was way over your weight limit . I dont know how you will take off 12 pounds of muscle. Anyways more kids have called to play, so Skeggs will have to see were it takes him.

[Irish87]

Jr high isnt done .Its up to kids or parents. Every kid that quit yesterday was way over your weight limit . I dont know how you will take off 12 pounds of muscle. Anyways more kids have called to play, so Skeggs will have to see were it takes him.

Polster, let me know if I can help.

[SSpartans]

"There is always soccer" Dont PM me that bs

[green pride]

Good idea Irish but OHSAA states you cant practice with any other team or you will loss your 9th grade year. SYF would probably help your kids out. As you have said before Irish these kids need to play and the middle school should tell these kids they are not going to have a team so they can play somewhere else. Deadlines are coming up and if these kids are going to play they need to make a decision today. Shame on the middle school for putting these kids in limbo, dont use these kids as pawns. These poor parents dont know what to do because people are threating them that if there kid plays anywhere else they wont play, that is not the truth. I know 3 of your Varsity Coaches and they are great people and will always do the right thing.Polsters right. I mean 100 kids in 8th grade, and only 5 play Football?
Mr. D, I understand your dillema. We talked a little last night and I think you know your options, but are stuck between a rock and a hard place. I know you don't want to play for Springfield SYF, but if your son still wants to play, I'm sure SYF would grant you some sort of exemption, to play for Mogadore, Field or Green. I mean look at what their doing with Springfield. They would have to honor you an exemption as well. Lake also has a good program, but not sure if 8th graders have to play at their Middle School.
Not sure if there is a deadline for M.S. Football, but school starts in less than a week. Maybe someone can set up a table in the hallways on the first day, and ask around if any of these other 95 some odd boys/girls want to come out for football? Maybe even a Parent Broadcast to all 8th graders, reminding them or asking them for Football players. Maybe your son and the other 4 eigth graders could get together and be driven around by a parent to some of these kids homes, seeing if they'll come back?
I'm just thrwoing out options. In fact, if there is still a chance, I'd be willing to have the remaining kids come down to our practice and work out with us, until maybe more kids can sign up when school starts. Depending on legal issues and permission with parents, maybe these 5 kids left, would want to at least practice with us. Obvously games are out of the question(except for the 2 7th graders), but at least they'll get quality coaching and practice 3 times a week. Just a thought.

[Irish87]

Green pride,
understood about the Practice. I didn't know the rules, so it was just a thought.
Problem comes in, where most of the kids left on the M.S. team, are too big for SYF anyway. Also, with the animosity Springfield SYF has caused, one or two of these 8th graders that maybe could make weight at SYF, do not want to play for that League.

[green pride]

We have had much animosity over here but we still push the kids that cant play for us to BYF so they can play. It seems more like parents issues not kids. Kids learn from the parents. I think if you talk to the league maybe they would let the bigger kids play this year because of the situation. I would vote to let any middle school kid to play and I am sure many directors would also. Put your money were your mouth is you can make this happen if you are all in it for the kids. Green pride,
understood about the Practice. I didn't know the rules, so it was just a thought.
Problem comes in, where most of the kids left on the M.S. team, are too big for SYF anyway. Also, with the animosity Springfield SYF has caused, one or two of these 8th graders that maybe could make weight at SYF, do not want to play for that League.

[green pride]

I think I finally know who you are. Did you cause a scene up at the field this weekend? If you are who I think you are if you hate Green so bad why did you want to coach with us last year and not in the Falls? All I know is what John told me at practice the other night when I asked him why Falls wasn't scrimmaging any Pop Warner teams. He said," This is SYF not Pop Warner and I didn't vote to scrimmage any Pop Warner teams." If he's missleading me then shame on him I guess.

Second, I never said that Green went looking to scrimmage outside of SYF, I simply said "when they got the chance...." I was told by a coach in Field that he has wanted to scrimmage teams up north for years, and he was always told he was not aloud to scrimmage outside of the SYFL. Again, if I was misslead, I apologize.

We knew our middle school would be down again this year, next year is when I think we will see if this change will work. Last year we didn't have BYF and we had no middle school team. Is that SYFL's fault? I don't think so, we also didn't have a wrestling team in middle school last year. Maybe it's just that particular class, maybe it was pay to play lingering, definately levy is an issue.

[thepolster]

I think I finally know who you are. Did you cause a scene up at the field this weekend? If you are who I think you are if you hate Green so bad why did you want to coach with us last year and not in the Falls? Why would you want to stir crap up with buckeye. Hes a stand up guy. NO FELONYS. He has never hidden his identity.

[GR1FAN]

Is this still a true statement. Rumor is 5 kids quite last night is this true?
Finnally its all coming together.... 6 eight graders will be joining syf and the lawsuit is looking good. Did I here somebody say they were going to recruit Mr Parkers boys? I swear I heard that..... Tables have turned and Mr Parker will have a Florida bound team after all. Chicken and Ribs and barbeque's for everybody. Life is good.

[spartan71]

look at you all happy about our JH team folding just because it may help add a few to Springfields Suburbans team how sad are you my man.... oh by the way rumor has it a couple of the kids refuse to play for HP's league i'm sure some other suburban teams will welcome them.... but what about the boys that are to big??? i wish the JH HC would have spent some more time recruiting from that grade i know things could have been different but who knows. i just feel for the boys who will have to sit out this year..

[green pride]

Metz this guy is not from SYF he is a Green Byf guy trying to cause problems. Noone from BYF or SYF is claiming him. I hope things get better for you guys next year. I did pick up one kid from the team all he wants to do is play so I feel horrible for the kids that arent playing.look at you all happy about our JH team folding just because it may help add a few to Springfields Suburbans team how sad are you my man.... oh by the way rumor has it a couple of the kids refuse to play for HP's league i'm sure some other suburban teams will welcome them.... but what about the boys that are to big??? i wish the JH HC would have spent some more time recruiting from that grade i know things could have been different but who knows. i just feel for the boys who will have to sit out this year..

[Smashmouth#1]

Is the MS team done for sure? Can't there be an exemption made for those few kids? I think that due to the circumstances, that common sense would allow these kids the opportunity to play and not make them sit out all year. I don't have a dog in this fight, just don't want to see the kids sitting out.

[bhynde]

You have claimed “ we should drop the law suite” however Your attorney keeps claiming you are Springfield Suburban Youth Football. Why?
You have claimed that everyone BYF was well informed that there are two leagues, yet Tuesday the 12th someone from byf came to my business asking for donations for your golf outing, when ask if he was doing it for Suburban youth or Buckeye youth he answered “ the kids that practice at Schrop all the time” As if to say the same group that has used Schrop for years. When ask again who they where the answer was Youth football the kids down at Schrop....
“ way to be public about who you are.”
Why have you not did the smallest of things , like file with the state as the Springfield youth buckeye youth football organization... Its less than $300. Bucks to become the organization you are promoting to be.
Why was it that the updates with the state never where done by the leadership of last year ? I had to update everything after your resignation from Suburban Youth Football.

res·ig·na·tion [ rèèzzig nááysh'n ] (plural res·ig·na·tions)

noun Definition: 1. notification of leaving job: a formal notification of leaving
a paid or unpaid position ............your promoted 10-0 vote


There have been more fingers pointed at Springfield Suburban Youth Football than I can count, but Buckeye Youth football has done nothing to become the Youth Football program they claim to be. Why?
We have received sanctions from Suburban youth, We ask and every single Director agreed.
1. Why is Buckeye worried about our group and
2. maybe it was because the right people approached the Suburban Youth the right way.
We had a place for some of the 8th graders to go when Jr. High program had limited turn out.
If you are all about the kids as you have claimed for 3 months Why isn’t anyone Thanking Suburban youth for sticking around and giving those kids somewhere to play ?
Or would it be OK with buckeye if those kids had no football this year ?
Why has non of the High school shown any interest in our kids ? Is it because they only support kids under there terms? Is it our kids are different than your kids? How funny,,, This isn’t about the kids for football, this is about buckeye for buckeye. One day everyone will see just how supporting of ALL THE CHILDREN you guys have been.
Between the two groups there are nearly 200 kids playing football. That is a fantastic number, and yet so many in the buckeye group want to continue to shut down or stop Suburban Youth.
Why is there threats being made at the baseball level to parents who support Suburban Youth ?
Is it really all about the Kids ?
If it is then, simply leave our kids alone and play football. Have your attorney stop claiming to be the attorney for Springfield Suburban Youth. And lastly , start claiming to be the new league in town that you are and leave us to teach the kids who came out to suburban youth program “ football.”
It is truly that Simple.
"The ball is on your 20 you have the choice to keep trying trick plays or just move forward with some nice clean football. "

[Irish87]

You have claimed “ we should drop the law suite” however Your attorney keeps claiming you are Springfield Suburban Youth Football. Why?
You have claimed that everyone BYF was well informed that there are two leagues, yet Tuesday the 12th someone from byf came to my business asking for donations for your golf outing, when ask if he was doing it for Suburban youth or Buckeye youth he answered “ the kids that practice at Schrop all the time” As if to say the same group that has used Schrop for years. When ask again who they where the answer was Youth football the kids down at Schrop....
“ way to be public about who you are.”
Why have you not did the smallest of things , like file with the state as the Springfield youth buckeye youth football organization... Its less than $300. Bucks to become the organization you are promoting to be.
Why was it that the updates with the state never where done by the leadership of last year ? I had to update everything after your resignation from Suburban Youth Football.

res·ig·na·tion [ rèèzzig nááysh'n ] (plural res·ig·na·tions)

noun Definition: 1. notification of leaving job: a formal notification of leaving
a paid or unpaid position ............your promoted 10-0 vote


There have been more fingers pointed at Springfield Suburban Youth Football than I can count, but Buckeye Youth football has done nothing to become the Youth Football program they claim to be. Why?
We have received sanctions from Suburban youth, We ask and every single Director agreed.
1. Why is Buckeye worried about our group and
2. maybe it was because the right people approached the Suburban Youth the right way.
We had a place for some of the 8th graders to go when Jr. High program had limited turn out.
If you are all about the kids as you have claimed for 3 months Why isn’t anyone Thanking Suburban youth for sticking around and giving those kids somewhere to play ?
Or would it be OK with buckeye if those kids had no football this year ?
Why has non of the High school shown any interest in our kids ? Is it because they only support kids under there terms? Is it our kids are different than your kids? How funny,,, This isn’t about the kids for football, this is about buckeye for buckeye. One day everyone will see just how supporting of ALL THE CHILDREN you guys have been.
Between the two groups there are nearly 200 kids playing football. That is a fantastic number, and yet so many in the buckeye group want to continue to shut down or stop Suburban Youth.
Why is there threats being made at the baseball level to parents who support Suburban Youth ?
Is it really all about the Kids ?
If it is then, simply leave our kids alone and play football. Have your attorney stop claiming to be the attorney for Springfield Suburban Youth. And lastly , start claiming to be the new league in town that you are and leave us to teach the kids who came out to suburban youth program “ football.”
It is truly that Simple.
"The ball is on your 20 you have the choice to keep trying trick plays or just move forward with some nice clean football. "

Suburban has a place for 8th graders, no doubt, as long as they meet the weight restrictions. In this case, this year, that accounts for 6 kids. It was tragic, that only 6 out of 100 boys in 8th grade came out and stuck it out for Football. Don't really see how that is BYF's fault. Ask me this, what place does Suburban have for the
20 - 30(maybe more) kids in Buckeye Youth, that can not meet the weight restrictions put on by Suburban? Is it ok for Suburban, that those 20 - 30 kids not play football? Touche.
Updates from last years State paperwork fall on last years Director, who just happened to quit on us. No fault to the BYF organization.
Why hasn't the H.S. supported your group? Well maybe its becasue you asked for the Resignation of the Football Coach and Athletic Director. Duh. However, he does support the kids and hopes they learn a thing or two about the sport of Football.
I have no idea what threats you are talking about with Baseball parents. Sorry.
We have moved on and things are going great.
And lastly, we are Springfield Suburban Youth Football. We simply switched Leagues to the Buckeye Youth Football Conference.

[headhunter34]

Suburban has a place for 8th graders, no doubt, as long as they meet the weight restrictions. In this case, this year, that accounts for 6 kids. It was tragic, that only 6 out of 100 boys in 8th grade came out and stuck it out for Football. Don't really see how that is BYF's fault. Ask me this, what place does Suburban have for the
20 - 30(maybe more) kids in Buckeye Youth, that can not meet the weight restrictions put on by Suburban? Is it ok for Suburban, that those 20 - 30 kids not play football? Touche.
Updates from last years State paperwork fall on last years Director, who just happened to quit on us. No fault to the BYF organization.
Why hasn't the H.S. supported your group? Well maybe its becasue you asked for the Resignation of the Football Coach and Athletic Director. Duh. However, he does support the kids and hopes they learn a thing or two about the sport of Football.
I have no idea what threats you are talking about with Baseball parents. Sorry.
We have moved on and things are going great.
And lastly, we are Springfield Suburban Youth Football. We simply switched Leagues to the Buckeye Youth Football Conference.DITTO

[green1965champs]

Sounds like a battle cry. I take it this guy doesnt know the actual numbers in the spartan byf?! Give them a idea 87 irish and dont tweek the digits.

[Irish87]

No offense Greenchamp, I really don't want to get in another pissing match. We've pretty much been over this stuff time and time again. He asked some questions, so I felt the need to answer them. Not to mention, i don't have the books with me, to give the exact digits, but I do know we had 2 more
7th graders sign up last night, so that puts us at 34 seventh grade Springfield kids.

[spartan71]

welcome back bhynde,

irish summed it up above those 8th graders who could make weight for suburban could of played for any of the surrounding suburban youth teams and some choose that route.... seriously i believe there are school systems that suburban youth is taylor made for, our is not one of them... as far as threats go i have no idea what you are talking about and hate the fact that things are moving along now but for these posts that throw salt in everyones wounds trying to start trouble again... next year there will be a large JH team thanks to the hard recruiting done by us to bring kids out that would be sitting at home right now we have been smart with our conditioning of the larger kids so not to chase them off and i'm seeing vast improvements from kids who probably have never EVER been in shape. call it korny but i feel we are actually extending kids lives over here in the BYF and increasing the awarness of football in general in our community.....

you have a couple great guys working in your organization and hope after this season we could bring it all together under one banner for the betterment of our community.

good luck with your season and i mean that...Go Spartans!

[spartan71]

quote from bhynde---- If it is then, simply leave our kids alone and play football. Have your attorney stop claiming to be the attorney for Springfield Suburban Youth. And lastly , start claiming to be the new league in town that you are and leave us to teach the kids who came out to suburban youth program “ football.”
It is truly that Simple.
"The ball is on your 20 you have the choice to keep trying trick plays or just move forward with some nice clean football. "


then drop the lawsuit and lets work this out over the offseason like football guys should.... the ball is actually on your 20 we just want to play football over here..

[green1965champs]

Springfield kids.

Thats whats up.

[bhynde]

Suburban has a place for 8th graders, no doubt, as long as they meet the weight restrictions. In this case, this year, that accounts for 6 kids. It was tragic, that only 6 out of 100 boys in 8th grade came out and stuck it out for Football. Don't really see how that is BYF's fault. Ask me this, what place does Suburban have for the
20 - 30(maybe more) kids in Buckeye Youth, that can not meet the weight restrictions put on by Suburban? Is it ok for Suburban, that those 20 - 30 kids not play football? Touche.
Updates from last years State paperwork fall on last years Director, who just happened to quit on us. No fault to the BYF organization.
Why hasn't the H.S. supported your group? Well maybe its becasue you asked for the Resignation of the Football Coach and Athletic Director. Duh. However, he does support the kids and hopes they learn a thing or two about the sport of Football.
I have no idea what threats you are talking about with Baseball parents. Sorry.
We have moved on and things are going great.
And lastly, we are Springfield Suburban Youth Football. We simply switched Leagues to the Buckeye Youth Football Conference.

Did not say anywhere in that tear that the falure of the 8th grade was Buckeys fault. I said ""If you are all about the kids as you have claimed for 3 months Why isn’t anyone Thanking Suburban youth for sticking around and giving those kids somewhere to play ?"" I did not blame BYF.

I never said BYF was bad for our community.""Between the two groups there are nearly 200 kids playing football. That is a fantastic number, and yet so many in the buckeye group want to continue to shut down or stop Suburban Youth. "" is what I said
You blame our asking for KV resignation on no help. 1. it wouldn't have been ask for if he would have returned any calls. 2. I am but one person and he is going to refuse helping the kids because of me. Is it about the kids or is it about me ?
you will have to ask people in your group acting on your behalf about the baseball threats. Im not naming names on here.
Spartan71 ask Irish why we can't just drop the law suite. Irish87"And lastly, we are Springfield Suburban Youth Football. We simply switched Leagues to the Buckeye Youth Football Conference.[/QUOTE]
So Irish is Springfield Suburban Youth Football ( regaurdless of the corprate filings) and he is Springfield Buckey Youth Football.
This is why a Judge will way this out, We have never went against BYF we just want you to stop being us and You. $300 bucks could resolve the whole thing, He77 I have an attorney who would do the filings for free for you.
All anyone needs to do is read the by-laws,
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/portal/PORTAL_BS.BS_QRY_BUS_INFORMATION1.show

Go,go and be BYF, you can take care of the heavy kids and we will take care of those who don't want to play with kids 40 pounds there senior. When 8th grade can put a team together we will support them, when 8th grade can't we will support them.
But you are the only one who can stop the legal activitie, because its byf using SSYF identity and you will loose in court and someone is liable to go to jail.
The A.G don't play when Identity is stolen.
You guys said two groups couldn't happen but it has and it is and it will continue as long as I have a dime left in the Bank.
Hurland and I have paid for everything out of our pockets to keep these kids in uniforms and practice gear. We ask every single school for help to keep us active for the Kids and barrowed a ton of equipment until we get ours back or we collect enough money to get more. You have people asking never to support Hurlands Store... what a joke, sure cut him off because he is supporting springfield... maybe you can get some Sringfield gear at Pronio's...

[Irish87]

Did not say anywhere in that tear that the falure of the 8th grade was Buckeys fault. I said ""If you are all about the kids as you have claimed for 3 months Why isn’t anyone Thanking Suburban youth for sticking around and giving those kids somewhere to play ?"" I did not blame BYF.

We should be thanking him? Thank him for splitting the community, filing law suits, taking Refrigerators, Freezers, Popcorn Machines from Schrops Concession stand? Thank him? Are you serious? Thank him for going behind peoples backs and appointing himself as Director of a League that should not exist? You can't be serious. What are the heavier kids supposed to thank him for? What has he done for them? :shrug:

You've got to be kidding me. :wallbang:

[Buckeye29]

I think I finally know who you are. Did you cause a scene up at the field this weekend? If you are who I think you are if you hate Green so bad why did you want to coach with us last year and not in the Falls?

You got the wrong guy. I never said I hate Green. I actually have some really good friends in Green. I never wanted to coach in Green. I don't live there and I don't have a kid playing there. I have a boy playing in Field and a step-son playing in the Falls.

I really don't have a problem with Green just some of the guys.

The only field I was at this weekend was Mogadore for my son's scrimmage and I definately didn't cause any kind of a scene (unless, of course, all the girls went crazy because I look just like Brad Pitt).

Let's just agree to disagree, okay? All the other stuff is just in fun.

[Ragemaker]

Irish explained the thanking part very well... thanks? Nope not here!!

Nearly 200 kids playing, well what % or your players are from Springfield? My community is Springfield... that's where the kids should come from!!! We all know that there are exceptions but to advertise in a circular to anyone in the surrounding area to come to Springfield to play football. What community are you thinking of? We are not the Summit County Spartans we are the Springfield Spartans, PERIOD!!!!!!! You want the schools to support your Akron/ Springfield football team, gee I wonder why you don't have much support. Why do you assume that when an organization decieds to leave a league they leave behind their name? There was never a vote to change organization names or anything of the sort, just to switch leagues so cut the crap stop twisting things around! Bottom line, the organization voted to leave the SYF, and go to BYF and somehow you and Hurland slithered on your bellies found a way to try and STEAL from our community!!!!!! Stop wondering why some people will never step foot in the cancer shack again!!

[Buckeye29]

You the man Rage!!! I knew I liked you.

[green1965champs]

Did not say anywhere in that tear that the falure of the 8th grade was Buckeys fault. I said ""If you are all about the kids as you have claimed for 3 months Why isn’t anyone Thanking Suburban youth for sticking around and giving those kids somewhere to play ?"" I did not blame BYF.

I never said BYF was bad for our community.""Between the two groups there are nearly 200 kids playing football. That is a fantastic number, and yet so many in the buckeye group want to continue to shut down or stop Suburban Youth. "" is what I said
You blame our asking for KV resignation on no help. 1. it wouldn't have been ask for if he would have returned any calls. 2. I am but one person and he is going to refuse helping the kids because of me. Is it about the kids or is it about me ?
you will have to ask people in your group acting on your behalf about the baseball threats. Im not naming names on here.
Spartan71 ask Irish why we can't just drop the law suite. Irish87"And lastly, we are Springfield Suburban Youth Football. We simply switched Leagues to the Buckeye Youth Football Conference.
So Irish is Springfield Suburban Youth Football ( regaurdless of the corprate filings) and he is Springfield Buckey Youth Football.
This is why a Judge will way this out, We have never went against BYF we just want you to stop being us and You. $300 bucks could resolve the whole thing, He77 I have an attorney who would do the filings for free for you.
All anyone needs to do is read the by-laws,
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/portal/PORTAL_BS.BS_QRY_BUS_INFORMATION1.show

Go,go and be BYF, you can take care of the heavy kids and we will take care of those who don't want to play with kids 40 pounds there senior. When 8th grade can put a team together we will support them, when 8th grade can't we will support them.
But you are the only one who can stop the legal activitie, because its byf using SSYF identity and you will loose in court and someone is liable to go to jail.
The A.G don't play when Identity is stolen.
You guys said two groups couldn't happen but it has and it is and it will continue as long as I have a dime left in the Bank.
Hurland and I have paid for everything out of our pockets to keep these kids in uniforms and practice gear. We ask every single school for help to keep us active for the Kids and barrowed a ton of equipment until we get ours back or we collect enough money to get more. You have people asking never to support Hurlands Store... what a joke, sure cut him off because he is supporting springfield... maybe you can get some Sringfield gear at Pronio's...

Joe Pronio and his employees was at the Game yesterday handing out t-shirts. Good guy in my book. Keep hanging on to your lawsuit and friendship! You guys are a joke!!!!!

[bhynde]

Again no one is reading they only respond. I said nothing negative about Joe P. and his store, My criticism was to those in the Buckeye organization that have called for a boycott of Hurland’s.
( I know, don’t say it, you didn’t know anything about a boycott)
Irish I’m sorry to here you think this is a Hurland thing instead of a kid thing. Several kids would be sitting this year if Suburban Youth had not stayed. Not a Hurland thing a kid thing. And yes there are a few kids who signed from there school and came and played here, again I thought it was about the kids and now it is only Springfield kids that matter. Every Springfield kid had a choice, play heavy or stay suburban... How is this a bad thing if it is all about the kids ?
Several times it was said two groups couldn’t make it in Springfield, they have made it, so now all that is left is to bad mouth Hurland. Please. .. Go back about two months when your own words came out Irish “ Choice, what’s wrong with the kids having choice “ now they have had a choice and there is still no making you happy.

Spartan71 I get it, I really do. If you spend a couple of bucks to become the Buckeye group the lawsuit is over, but you have to give back the gear you took. If you continue to fight then you get to make suburban youth look like the bad guys,( until the courts rule ) but you take an extreme chance of losing and the community gets to see how this all came about.
$150.00 Dollar filing and you could come after the concession stand items, but you don’t, because that would be yet another chance for the truth to come out. So you make us out to be bad, But do nothing to get "" your"" equipment back ???? seems funny to me.
You keep saying drop the legal mumbo jumbo but many in your group continue to cause problems for Suburban youth.( I know, you don’t know anything about that either)
No one on Suburban did anything negative towards B.Y.F., matter of fact our one assembly we did get, we mentioned both leagues. We have clearly shown that some people didn’t want byf and came and played suburban, what’s wrong with that ? Is it about the kids ? Is it about choice ? You and others have made comments about how some kids didn’t want to play for H.P. are you kidding me that was a parent thing not a kid thing. You know good and well that many of the parents at your field still don’t understand the difference or the choice that was at hand. And I truly don’t care. I care that there has been a full turn out of nearly two hundred kids, and I don’t care if you have more than us. That’s a bit childish,,, our group is bigger than yours is bla bla.. Come on....
You want to have a meeting of civil minds, I am open to it. But if all you want to do is tell me how wrong I am and how great you are.( Referring to the leagues not individuals) then don’t waist my time. I left here couple months ago because of that exact thing. Nothing I said could be my opinion it was byf opinion or non at all.

Go ahead its everyone’s turn to twist my words around.

[spartan71]

just because you do some back door paperwork filing with the SOS doesnt make you legit and us outlaws i guess the courts will decide and make that decision as to who the real Board is....i'm not going to argue about this anymore its ridiculous and old. we are both playing football now take your NEW Springfield Suburban league and make the best of it..... good luck no twisting needed.. and nobody wants to ruin anybodys livelyhood nor have we attempted to...

[Irish87]

Again no one is reading they only respond. I said nothing negative about Joe P. and his store, My criticism was to those in the Buckeye organization that have called for a boycott of Hurland’s.
( I know, don’t say it, you didn’t know anything about a boycott)
Irish I’m sorry to here you think this is a Hurland thing instead of a kid thing. Several kids would be sitting this year if Suburban Youth had not stayed. Not a Hurland thing a kid thing. And yes there are a few kids who signed from there school and came and played here, again I thought it was about the kids and now it is only Springfield kids that matter. Every Springfield kid had a choice, play heavy or stay suburban... How is this a bad thing if it is all about the kids ?
Several times it was said two groups couldn’t make it in Springfield, they have made it, so now all that is left is to bad mouth Hurland. Please. .. Go back about two months when your own words came out Irish “ Choice, what’s wrong with the kids having choice “ now they have had a choice and there is still no making you happy.

Spartan71 I get it, I really do. If you spend a couple of bucks to become the Buckeye group the lawsuit is over, but you have to give back the gear you took. If you continue to fight then you get to make suburban youth look like the bad guys,( until the courts rule ) but you take an extreme chance of losing and the community gets to see how this all came about.
$150.00 Dollar filing and you could come after the concession stand items, but you don’t, because that would be yet another chance for the truth to come out. So you make us out to be bad, But do nothing to get "" your"" equipment back ???? seems funny to me.
You keep saying drop the legal mumbo jumbo but many in your group continue to cause problems for Suburban youth.( I know, you don’t know anything about that either)
No one on Suburban did anything negative towards B.Y.F., matter of fact our one assembly we did get, we mentioned both leagues. We have clearly shown that some people didn’t want byf and came and played suburban, what’s wrong with that ? Is it about the kids ? Is it about choice ? You and others have made comments about how some kids didn’t want to play for H.P. are you kidding me that was a parent thing not a kid thing. You know good and well that many of the parents at your field still don’t understand the difference or the choice that was at hand. And I truly don’t care. I care that there has been a full turn out of nearly two hundred kids, and I don’t care if you have more than us. That’s a bit childish,,, our group is bigger than yours is bla bla.. Come on....
You want to have a meeting of civil minds, I am open to it. But if all you want to do is tell me how wrong I am and how great you are.( Referring to the leagues not individuals) then don’t waist my time. I left here couple months ago because of that exact thing. Nothing I said could be my opinion it was byf opinion or non at all.

Go ahead its everyone’s turn to twist my words around.

Bhynde,
we have filed a couple of times, but you continue to file right over us again. Why continue to file, wasting money, when any Tom, Dick or Harry and get online and File over and over. Makes no sense.
We stopped pursuing the Concession Equipment because Coca Cola and other kind citizens of the Community stepped up and provided us brand new Refrigerators and Freezers. Boy, talk about twisting things....

Your word above, "choice". I have mentioned numerous times about the heavier kids and their choice, but you refuse to comment about it. You know why? Because you have no answer for it. Without BYF in Springfield 30 some odd kids would not have a choice. Sorry, but you argument about choice is a poor one.
I have no problem with people choosing to play in your League. Go on with your so-called Springfield League. If it weren't for the Suburban League changing rules for you, your League would not exist.

Oh and by the way, I love how you guys asked an 8th grader to play for you this year, but when he said he was 30 pounds over the Limit, Hurland said he could fix the scales to get him by. Very classy guys.

I just hope the rest of the Suburban Teams understand, that they have to follow all the rules of the League, but Springfield has no rules to follow.

I think my actions and volunteered time at the field, show how I am all about kids. I don't think anybody, that knows who I am and what I do, would ever question my loyalty to all the kids. Go find another excuse and accusation.

[spartan71]

please dont act like you had anything to do with Springfield's numbers increasing this season your 30 or 40 football players are mostly from outside the township and i'm glad they have a place to play but let me say this, THEY ALREADY HAD A PLACE TO PLAY IN THEIR OWN COMMUNITIES!!! you guys recruited them... every kid on our team lives in Springfield or goes to school in Springfield...

with that being said dont play us for fools with that just file your own paperwork BS we were in the process of that when you guys pulled your fast one... nobodies going to jail for this so drop your threats and its all about the kids cander the word is out and everyone knows about the ego trip that you guys are on....

you should have spent your money on some fishing trips and stuck with the group who put you where you were at in our organization.... all of our lives would be allot less stressfull and you would be totally content coaching more kids than you could shake a stick at its been totally worth it... bad choice my friends.......

[thepolster]

please dont act like you had anything to do with Springfield's numbers increasing this season your 30 or 40 football players are mostly from outside the township and i'm glad they have a place to play but let me say this, THEY ALREADY HAD A PLACE TO PLAY IN THEIR OWN COMMUNITIES!!! you guys recruited them... every kid on our team lives in Springfield or goes to school in Springfield...

with that being said dont play us for fools with that just file your own paperwork BS we were in the process of that when you guys pulled your fast one... nobodies going to jail for this so drop your threats and its all about the kids cander the word is out and everyone knows about the ego trip that you guys are on....

you should have spent your money on some fishing trips and stuck with the group who put you where you were at in our organization.... all of our lives would be allot less stressfull and you would be totally content coaching more kids than you could shake a stick at its been totally worth it... bad choice my friends.......
S.N.A.P!

[Buckeye29]

Again no one is reading they only respond. I said nothing negative about Joe P. and his store, My criticism was to those in the Buckeye organization that have called for a boycott of Hurland’s.
( I know, don’t say it, you didn’t know anything about a boycott)
Irish I’m sorry to here you think this is a Hurland thing instead of a kid thing. Several kids would be sitting this year if Suburban Youth had not stayed. Not a Hurland thing a kid thing. And yes there are a few kids who signed from there school and came and played here, again I thought it was about the kids and now it is only Springfield kids that matter. Every Springfield kid had a choice, play heavy or stay suburban... How is this a bad thing if it is all about the kids ?
Several times it was said two groups couldn’t make it in Springfield, they have made it, so now all that is left is to bad mouth Hurland. Please. .. Go back about two months when your own words came out Irish “ Choice, what’s wrong with the kids having choice “ now they have had a choice and there is still no making you happy.

Spartan71 I get it, I really do. If you spend a couple of bucks to become the Buckeye group the lawsuit is over, but you have to give back the gear you took. If you continue to fight then you get to make suburban youth look like the bad guys,( until the courts rule ) but you take an extreme chance of losing and the community gets to see how this all came about.
$150.00 Dollar filing and you could come after the concession stand items, but you don’t, because that would be yet another chance for the truth to come out. So you make us out to be bad, But do nothing to get "" your"" equipment back ???? seems funny to me.
You keep saying drop the legal mumbo jumbo but many in your group continue to cause problems for Suburban youth.( I know, you don’t know anything about that either)
No one on Suburban did anything negative towards B.Y.F., matter of fact our one assembly we did get, we mentioned both leagues. We have clearly shown that some people didn’t want byf and came and played suburban, what’s wrong with that ? Is it about the kids ? Is it about choice ? You and others have made comments about how some kids didn’t want to play for H.P. are you kidding me that was a parent thing not a kid thing. You know good and well that many of the parents at your field still don’t understand the difference or the choice that was at hand. And I truly don’t care. I care that there has been a full turn out of nearly two hundred kids, and I don’t care if you have more than us. That’s a bit childish,,, our group is bigger than yours is bla bla.. Come on....
You want to have a meeting of civil minds, I am open to it. But if all you want to do is tell me how wrong I am and how great you are.( Referring to the leagues not individuals) then don’t waist my time. I left here couple months ago because of that exact thing. Nothing I said could be my opinion it was byf opinion or non at all.

Go ahead its everyone’s turn to twist my words around.

That's all well and good, two leagues in Springfield this year. How long do you think the Suburban League is going to give you special provisions so that you can field a team? My guess is until you start winning, then it will be back to only Springfield kids for you. If you don't mind answer this honestly, how many kids do you have that DO NOT live in Springfield? I don't know. I'm just wondering.

[Buckeye29]

Well, no one answered, but I found out today. Only TWO kids on your varsity team actually live in Springfield. I will say this, I have a hard time believing that Field was your first win. Your boys played very well today. I don't want to take anything away from the kids because they went out there and gave Field a good old-fashioned butt kick'n. I do however have a couple questions.

1) How does fielding a team full of kids that will never even think about going to Springfield High School let alone play football there help Springfield????

2) If you don't like the no-weight limit league why so many kids over the Subburban weight limit?????????? I know we said your 168 pounder couldn't play, but we let your 150 plus nose gaurd/full back play. I have a feeling if we would have went sticktly with the 138# weight limit you may not have had enough players to even play the game.

I'm sorry if that sounds like sour grapes, that's not what I'm going for. I just don't see how keeping Subburban League going in Springfield is helping Springfield kids. I mean that is what is suppose to be all about, right?

[SSpartans]

I would like to thank Field and the coaching staff for letting my 175# noseguard/fullback play he really had fun. He also said thanks for noticing him.
The kid you pulled wasnt from Springfield anyways. Beside the kid you pulled my kid was the only over weight kid on the team. There was 4 other 190+ kids on the team from Springfield but they didnt come because they were told they didnt have a chance to play in this game.Yes it is hard to believe you where there first win. A special thanks to Suburban youth,s main people for stepping up and getting these JR High kids some playing time when our team could not continue because of a lack of kids. Also a special thanks to those high school kids that came down and helped us the last week of practice.

***On a Springfield note***
The game I was trying to get between the byf and the syf (varsity)where you take off your stripes and we throw away are scales. You know the game you where to chicken to play. Well I lied when i said it was an easy win for you, we would of kicked your @$$.

[thepolster]

I would like to thank Field and the coaching staff for letting my 175# noseguard/fullback play he really had fun. He also said thanks for noticing him.
The kid you pulled wasnt from Springfield anyways. Beside the kid you pulled my kid was the only over weight kid on the team. There was 4 other 190+ kids on the team from Springfield but they didnt come because they were told they didnt have a chance to play in this game.Yes it is hard to believe you where there first win. A special thanks to Suburban youth,s main people for stepping up and getting these JR High kids some playing time when our team could not continue because of a lack of kids. Also a special thanks to those high school kids that came down and helped us the last week of practice.

***On a Springfield note***
The game I was trying to get between the byf and the syf (varsity)where you take off your stripes and we throw away are scales. You know the game you where to chicken to play. Well I lied when i said it was an easy win for you, we would of kicked your @$$.
I would also like to thank the higher ups for giving Spartan 8th graders a place to play till next year. The high school coaching staff in my opinion let us down on preparing the jr high with 8th graders. Sorry SS.

[Irish87]

***On a Springfield note***
The game I was trying to get between the byf and the syf (varsity)where you take off your stripes and we throw away are scales. You know the game you where to chicken to play. Well I lied when i said it was an easy win for you, we would of kicked your @$$.


What seems to be your problem Scott? Why the smack talk? Care to explain the change in attitude?

[SSpartans]

I do think Suburban has the right to co-excist but for the lawsuite stuff I do not agree..

[Irish87]

Gotcha. Just checking. You seemed like you were calling someone out.
I really believe, a game between the two Leagues would not be a good idea. I think the players might enjoy it, but I just think there is still too much animosity between the two Leagues at this time, to make it a succesful event. Maybe in the future. :shrug:

[Buckeye29]

A game against the two leagues might be fun, but why would Springfield's BYF team want to play a bunch of Akron kids. If it was all Springfield kids it would make way more sense. Also, SS I didn't realize that was your son at nose guard. He is a stud. Hope to see him at the high school in a few years.

[GRPride86]

So the Suburban Youth Football League aloud a 175 lb kid play on Saturday?

[Buckeye29]

So the Suburban Youth Football League aloud a 175 lb kid play on Saturday?

Not only play, he ran the ball too. And guess what, even though we have the worst defense I ever saw, we were able to tackle him and even my 89# nose guard didn't get hurt.

The kid is a stud and will defently be an asset to the high school in a few years.

[Irish87]

So the Suburban Youth Football League aloud a 175 lb kid play on Saturday?

GRPride,
basically Springfield Suburban Youth did not have any rules to follow this year, just so they could remain in the League. As long as the other Team agreed these guidelines, they could play players over the restricted weight limit.
Thats the way it was explained to me anyhow.

[SSpartans]

A game against the two leagues might be fun, but why would Springfield's BYF team want to play a bunch of Akron kids. If it was all Springfield kids it would make way more sense. Also, SS I didn't realize that was your son at nose guard. He is a stud. Hope to see him at the high school in a few years.
Well yes alot are Akron kids and as I told you at the game there was only 2 kids that showed for the game. I guess I really didnt have to point them out for you, you could of figured out that one out for yourself. What this byf syf game was all about was to get these 6 JR High kids one more game to play. they didnt get to play in all the games this year so I was hoping for one more game for them. Every director that said no they could not play we offered to forfiet the game if they would let these kids play in the game. We would still play the game it just wouldnt be official game.

[GRPride86]

I guess my point is, if these were 8th grade kids, and they were over 138 lbs, they wouldn't be aloud to play in the Suburban Youth Football League. Just becuase your JR High couldn't get enough kids has no barring on whether or not these kids would have played. Unless you're telling me that they could have lost 40 lbs so they could have played.

Just seems that the SYFL has broke the main rule for one team. Just doesn't seem right.

[SSpartans]

GRPride,
basically Springfield Suburban Youth did not have any rules to follow this year, just so they could remain in the League. As long as the other Team agreed these guidelines, they could play players over the restricted weight limit.
Thats the way it was explained to me anyhow. The first game they had only 11 kids and some heavy kids where only allowed to go in for injury. Which we respected there requests and no heavy kids went in the game till the second half. After that first game there was never under 15 kids that where over wieght. Now granted there where very few kids from Springfield. These other teams let the heavies play because they knew that they could not play anywhere else.........

[tallfamily278]

again SYFL makes and breaks rules to help certain teams

[GRPride86]

These other teams let the heavies play because they knew that they could not play anywhere else.........

Did Mogadore get to let their heavy 8th graders play, they don't have a MS program either?

[tallfamily278]

i think all the kids in moggy are skinny

[Irish87]

Now GRPride,
I think we all know where you're going with this. :)

:stirthepot:

[tallfamily278]

Now GRPride,
I think we all know where you're going with this. :)

:stirthepot:


yes- yes and it is hilarius

[SSpartans]

I guess my point is, if these were 8th grade kids, and they were over 138 lbs, they wouldn't be aloud to play in the Suburban Youth Football League. Just becuase your JR High couldn't get enough kids has no barring on whether or not these kids would have played. Unless you're telling me that they could have lost 40 lbs so they could have played.

Just seems that the SYFL has broke the main rule for one team. Just doesn't seem right.

They did want them to lose some wieght but there was no way they could get that low. I dont care what you think is Right... These 6 kids didnt have to sit on the couch all season. What I went threw last year with my kid starving to make weight I am a BYF fan, I voted for it once and I would vote that way again. Not only would it let all kids play it would benifit the High school. But lets give credit where it is due my hats off to suburban for bending the rules for these 6 Springfield kids.

[GRPride86]

But lets give credit where it is due my hats off to suburban for bending the rules for these 6 Springfield kids.

But like I said, why didn't they bend the rules for Mogadore? What if you bent the rules and someone got really hurt. Those parents sue the coaches, the director, the boosters, and then go after the entire league administrators. Taking an awful big chance for 6 kids, that will only have to sit out one year.

Couldn't the HS coache take those 6 boys and put them into somekind of program to give them an entire offseason advantage over other kids? Practice with the freshman? Something?

[SSpartans]

But like I said, why didn't they bend the rules for Mogadore? What if you bent the rules and someone got really hurt. Those parents sue the coaches, the director, the boosters, and then go after the entire league administrators. Taking an awful big chance for 6 kids, that will only have to sit out one year.

Couldn't the HS coache take those 6 boys and put them into somekind of program to give them an entire offseason advantage over other kids? Practice with the freshman? Something?

Mogadore can worry about there own kids they have a choice. If they dont elect to take it its there own fault.

[thepolster]

Did Mogadore get to let their heavy 8th graders play, they don't have a MS program either? No, half of moggy players are in rehab.

[tallfamily278]

No, half of moggy players are in rehab.


now thats:stirthepot:

[Irish87]

SSpartans,
most of us understand your passion and situation, and respect what you've done for your son. But really, the big question is, was what happened this year really, in the best interest of our town? If the 20 or so kids that were over there, had signed up with BYF, they would have received the same playing time, if not more because of the 2 game format, and would have been playing with other Springfield kids(you know, their school friends). The BYF season in Springfield was a huge success. With the addition of the other kids, it would have even been better. Once Springfield Suburban realized the low turn out, they should have conceded and sent the kids to BYF so we could have one big happy Springfield League.

I truly am sorry that only 8 out of 100 kids stuck it out/went out for Middle School ball, but I don't think anyone anticipated that scenario. I know if my kid was one of those 8, and that was his only option to play football, you can bet I personally would have been knocking on doors, recruiting any and all 8th graders, girls included.

Just my opinions.

[Irish87]

No, half of moggy players are in rehab.

Very unfortunate this happened, because I think we all know, it could happen to any Town or any Towns Football team.

[GRPride86]

Maybe they need to post some signs at the field.

http://www.superiorspecialty.com/Main/Safety/Signs/NationalMarker/21ff.gif

[Buckeye29]

Maybe Mogadore and Springfield should have combined middle school teams this year. Would that have been a possibility? Mogadore is about the size of Lakemore and Lakemore kids play for Springfield.

[thepolster]

Oh buckeye where have you been? We are not talking about meth we are talking about drinking.

[spartan71]

Maybe Mogadore and Springfield should have combined middle school teams this year. Would that have been a possibility? Mogadore is about the size of Lakemore and Lakemore kids play for Springfield.
i love you buck29 but if mt aunt had b---s she would be my uncle.... other districts would cry foul and Springfield cant even control Lakemore anyways why would they think the could get Mogadore to mix their pure bloods with us mugules.....jk i need more coffee..

[Buckeye29]

Okay Kev, take a big chug of some java and embrace the Springfield Spartancats. Can't Springfield just annex Mogadore or something? I don't know about red and green uniforms though---to Christmasy I think.

[wildcat62]

Maybe we could annex Springfield. One big green happy family.:grouphug: We do have a new high school and we pass a levy every now and then. Seriously , I hope your high school team does well as they move forward. They are led by a good coach who is also a good guy.

[Irish87]

Maybe we could annex Springfield. One big green happy family.:grouphug: We do have a new high school and we pass a levy every now and then.

Understood Wildcat. We deserved that.
Mogadore is a great town who supports their Schools and Athletics. I totally understand why people are proud to be from Mogadore. Hope everything gets worked out.
Question: I did not see any of the SYF games this year. How did the Mogadore Youth Football teams fair this year? I know their JV last year was very talented.

[wildcat62]

Our varsity is in the playoffs with a 4-4 record, they competed with everyone but suffered alot of injuries early on. Our J.V. actually returns alot of their team from last year and are in the playoffs with a 6-2 record. The league is pretty balanced this year especially on varsity with green,c.falls,stow,copley, and kent all having successful years, and good teams.

[Irish87]

Thanx Wildcat.
Do you know who, where and when C-Falls/ Varsity plays?

[wildcat62]

I believe they play kent saturday at c.falls , I'm not sure of the time. That should be a good one. they played last week in the last regular season game with c.falls winning on a hail mary as the clock expired.

[Cats58]

The kid is a stud and will defently be an asset to the high school in a few years.

This kid also played in the game against us #45. They only let him play in the second half. I think he made every tackle in the second half. We went from scoring 35 in the first half to not even getting a first down in the second half. Come to Mogadore kid they will ruin you in Springfield. You people should be ashamed of yourself making fun of kids that made a mistake remember they are kids.

[SSpartans]

I do think things will get better at the high school football program.

[thepolster]

I see little Ford having a great freshman year. If he keeps hitting those weights like a animal I do see him playing three games a week.

[Buckeye29]

This kid also played in the game against us #45. They only let him play in the second half. I think he made every tackle in the second half. We went from scoring 35 in the first half to not even getting a first down in the second half. Come to Mogadore kid they will ruin you in Springfield. You people should be ashamed of yourself making fun of kids that made a mistake remember they are kids.

I never said one word about any Mogadore kids doing anything. I never even heard the story, so please leave me out of that one.

[GRPride86]

I see little Ford having a great freshman year. If he keeps hitting those weights like a animal I do see him playing three games a week.


I don't mind this- the playing as many quarters as you can as a Freshman.

Example:

Freshman game on Thursday
Varsity game on Friday night (not starting but maybe playing some special teams and a play here and there)
JV game on Saturday mornings

But the rule is, you are only aloud to play 40 quarters for the entire season, excluding playoffs.

[thepolster]

That's how they got Dillon set up. Question, what do they consider quarters? When Dillon returns kicks and only kicks how much does that count?

[GRPride86]

That's how they got Dillon set up. Question, what do they consider quarters? When Dillon returns kicks and only kicks how much does that count?

I don't know if anyone knows that equation. Might have to bring in a Calculus teacher to work out some sort of formula.

[GRPride86]

Found it:


1.4) PLAYER LIMITATIONS

1.41) A. 9th-12th grade student is limited to playing:

a) A maximum of four quarters in one day.
b) A maximum of 40 quarters per season.

Any player who participates in two or more successive downs in any
quarter shall be charged with one quarter of play.


1.42) Any player who participates in one or more downs in one quarter shall be charged with one quarter of play, except those downs in which the offensive team is in a scrimmage kick formation as defined in National Federation Football Rule 2-13-2.

a) 7th-8th grade student is limited to playing:
b) A maximum of four quarters in one day.
c) A maximum of 28 quarters per season.

[green1965champs]

I never said one word about any Mogadore kids doing anything. I never even heard the story, so please leave me out of that one.

Bring them to Green. We have a open bar after practice.

[bigcountry7417]

Bring them to Green. We have a open bar after practice.

That explains why your team is only 4-5!!! :)

[GRPride86]

You people should be ashamed of yourself making fun of kids that made a mistake remember they are kids.

Let’s see that statement again, “kids that made “a” mistake”. That would refer to that only one mistake was made here. It’s my understanding, and this could be wrong, but I was told that these kids went to a party that had drinking and “smoking” at it.(mistake #1) Theses kids were drinking and smoking at this party (mistake #2), cops came and were just going to send them and/or take them home, but no, the kids starting getting lippy with the cops (mistake #3), so the cops said OK, time to “book’em Dano”. Parents and coaches were called and told to come down to the police station and pick up their kids.

Now this could all be hearsay, but this is what I heard.

[spartan71]

we all made mistake(s) when we were kids i'm just glad that yappi was not around when i was a kid:angel: :angel: ....... if they learn from them then life goes on and they are that much wiser.. if not then well :shrug: ...

[Buckeye29]

I hope you don't think that this kind of thing isn't going on in Green as well. All kids EVERYWHERE are going to make mistakes, or be in the wrong place at the wrong time, even in Green GRpride. I don't want to sound like a holy roller, but let he without sin cast the first stone!!! Kids are kids man, and they're going to do dumb stuff from time to time. Also, unless you were there, you really should take hearsay with a grain of salt. If that was your kid would you want guys on here counting their mistakes? I wouldn't.

[GRPride86]

Boy, am I glade I live in Tallmadge then, if it's happening in Green to.

No crap it happens everywhere. My cousin's kid is one of the kids that got busted, so don't act like I don't know it happens all over.

[green1965champs]

It does not happen in Green. We do not ,I repeat , we do not sell beer or pot to any kid under the age of 16. You can say thats a little harsh, so give us a break.

[Buckeye29]

It does not happen in Green. We do not ,I repeat , we do not sell beer or pot to any kid under the age of 16. You can say thats a little harsh, so give us a break.

You sell pot to kids over 16 in Green? You hearing this Polster? At least if our meth houses get busted we know where we can go to get some sweet leaf.

[Buckeye29]

Boy, am I glade I live in Tallmadge then, if it's happening in Green to.

No crap it happens everywhere. My cousin's kid is one of the kids that got busted, so don't act like I don't know it happens all over.

It's a good thing we don't talk about some of the "MISTAKES" Tallmadge kids have made in the past then.

[GoCats65]

I have a question about Sunday's JV SYF game between Mogadore and Green. Can someone tell me the rules of OT for the SYFL. The way that the game was decided (by total OT yardage) seemed unique to say the least. Is this an actual rule or something that was decided that day by the coaches and refs?

[Irish87]

That has been the Overtime Rule in Suburban for some time now. It was not made up by the Officials on the spot.

[Smashmouth#1]

I have a question about Sunday's JV SYF game between Mogadore and Green. Can someone tell me the rules of OT for the SYFL. The way that the game was decided (by total OT yardage) seemed unique to say the least. Is this an actual rule or something that was decided that day by the coaches and refs?

The rule is that deepest penetration from the 50. In simplier terms, if Team A starts at the 50 and gains 5 yards, and Team B gains 6, team B wins. Green had gained 5 yards,plus the 5 yard penalty, gave them 10. Game over because they were the 2nd team with the ball.

[GoCats65]

Thanks for the information - Obviously I'm a Mogadore fan so it sucks how it turned out for our JV (I was there to watch good football - I don't have any kids on the team). I'm certainly not new to football but that rule stikes me as a more of a 3rd or 4th OT situation. Why not let the kids start from the 10yd line and see who can score. Congrats to Green for winning a good game but to win with a 0 - 0 score on a last play penalty....???

[Smashmouth#1]

Thanks for the information - Obviously I'm a Mogadore fan so it sucks how it turned out for our JV (I was there to watch good football - I don't have any kids on the team). I'm certainly not new to football but that rule stikes me as a more of a 3rd or 4th OT situation. Why not let the kids start from the 10yd line and see who can score. Congrats to Green for winning a good game but to win with a 0 - 0 score on a last play penalty....???

I don't have any on JV or Varsity either, mine are on B team. I understand your point. I would say start from the 20 or 25 whichever way the OHSAA says to handle OT since that is the basis for our rules and regs. Not sure what they say though.

[bigcountry7417]

Smashmouth, how did your B-Team finish up this year? Also, I am going to send you a PM with some observations from the B-Teams this year, just want to see if you were seeing things the same way I was this year.

[GRPride86]

It's a good thing we don't talk about some of the "MISTAKES" Tallmadge kids have made in the past then.

Go ahead and talk all you want. But you might want to make sure you get the right information first.

[Buckeye29]

Go ahead and talk all you want. But you might want to make sure you get the right information first.

I'm not going to talk about the past. I just think those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

[thepolster]

I have seen gr86s house. Its a made of gold. Buckeye gr86 should not be on your hit list. He is one of us that have infiltrated the tallmadge scenery. He organized the whole BYF conversion.

[Mr.Rogers]

Why does Polster bag every other organization. This guy has no merit in anything he says. For the good of every organization the hate has to stop. Over here in Green we are learning that it is not worth it to spread venom towards one another. Polster you have said yourself your a felon. As a felon noone will hire you, you have lost simple rights that the average man has. Your words mean nothing to noone. You bounce around from site to site like a pogo stick. In life you have problems and you solve them, no big deal. You still have some time left on your clock. Do something productive while you still do. You speak of your son alot. You know how hard it has been for you to walk in the shoes you have made for yourself. Try to stop that path and be something your son would like to be like. You only have one time around on this Earth. Enough is enough your words of hate noone cares to hear them.

[thepolster]

Mr Rogers. , when I find out the truth of what happened with the GYF program I will post and post till my fingers cant post anymore. And furthermore I dont need a job because of your hard earned tax money lets me sit here and post all day. Welfare is great. A matter of fact I think I will take a break and go to the store with my Ohio directional card and get something to eat. KARMA SUCKS

[Mr.Rogers]

is what it is. Does that change who we are and what we stand for. Just as your organization has over come trouble with in so will we. You show your ignorence every time you speak. A good organization, team what ever over come adversity. Polster you like to bring people down to your level. I already know what you want to know. Bottom line is who gives a flying donkey. You know why you do is you will have something else to talk about in your unemployed life. Bottom line is just about every organization involved in youth football has gone through something. A life lesson for you when the chips are down the tough get going. Through your life living examples you choose not do so.

[thepolster]

Why don't you go back and read every post made between me and your director and his cronies. You will then get a sense of how I feel. They want to sit there and call me out and talk crap then so be it. KARMA SUCKS. Here comes the boom, you all don't wanna here me now, do ya?

[Smashmouth#1]

You and I have gone round and round Polster. You are a diehard BYF supporter because your kid is big. You think it will help him out, and he will then help Springfield become a better program. You "drank the kool-aid", grape flavor as I recall, as we have said in posts past.

You talk a lot of big stuff, but nothing comes of it. You get a kick out of stirring the pot. That's what you do. Rumors are rumors, facts are facts.

The bottom line is, what is best for the kids in the community?

[spartan71]

You and I have gone round and round Polster. You are a diehard BYF supporter because your kid is big. You think it will help him out, and he will then help Springfield become a better program. You "drank the kool-aid", grape flavor as I recall, as we have said in posts past.


..... how is that line of thinking wrong smash his kid will definatley help the HS program and so will everyone of the 200lb 7th graders that were able to play together this year under Springfields BYF program and the 200lb 6th graders and etc. etc. etc. we did not drink any kool-aid...although grape is my favorite....
we just opened our eyes and looked for some answers to our problems.and there they were:
1. Kevin Vaughn reaching out to the youth and actually supporting us no matter if we went BYF or not thats a fact..
2.Buckeye Youth Football Conference the fact that every kid should be able to play football in this township reguardless of size because our numbers were lousy for our Division of play and bang theres was the no limit feeder system..

polster is brash and to the point, you either like him or you dont... but he does, no matter how you try and twist him, care for the kids he has proved it time and time again... he just does not play well with adults..

[Smashmouth#1]

..... how is that line of thinking wrong smash his kid will definatley help the HS program and so will everyone of the 200lb 7th graders that were able to play together this year under Springfields BYF program and the 200lb 6th graders and etc. etc. etc. we did not drink any kool-aid...although grape is my favorite....
we just opened our eyes and looked for some answers to our problems.and there they were:
1. Kevin Vaughn reaching out to the youth and actually supporting us no matter if we went BYF or not thats a fact..
2.Buckeye Youth Football Conference the fact that every kid should be able to play football in this township reguardless of size because our numbers were lousy for our Division of play and bang theres was the no limit feeder system..

polster is brash and to the point, you either like him or you dont... but he does, no matter how you try and twist him, care for the kids he has proved it time and time again... he just does not play well with adults..



Polster is brash, that's an understatment, but I do have to respect his dedication. I just would like to see a bit less hatred and a bit more constructive critism without the emotion and backhanded slap at someone or another organization. That's just my opinion. I don't think he's gonna change.

As a youth organization, your obligation is to the kids in the community. Not to delivering up great linemen or skill players to the HS. That's where the train of thought goes wrong. If you teach strong fundamentals, the love of the game, and that hard work, determination and toughness are some of the things that make you successful in football and in life then you have not only provided the HS with quality athletes, but you have made your entire community better by providing them with kids that grow up into productive members of society. They aren't out on the street causing problems, they are on the football field learning about life and gaining confidence. Those lessons spill over into school and home and they dont even realize it. I have started to see it now with my son and all of the boys that I coach, and that's what gives me that warm fuzzy feeling inside. That's what we all really need to get back to.

I got very tired of all of the politics and BS that goes along with it. It was taking away from the good that we can do for the kids with our organizations. Oh, it's still there, you know it, but if you do everything with the kids best intentions in mind, then you cannot go wrong. I think we forget that sometimes. We allow our egos and some have their agendas they want to push. some just worry about their kid. We need to set egos aside and forget about personal agendas. As far as worrying about your own kid, the best way to make him successful is to let him fail and learn on his own, and that's the toughest part of being a parent.

[Irish87]

We allow our egos and some have their agendas they want to push. some just worry about their kid. We need to set egos aside and forget about personal agendas.

Sounds like another Organization in this town.
With all the Law suits, Injunctions and Appeals going on, makes you wonder if their heart(s) are really in the right place. I mean after all, all they've done is try to split a community and cost the kids over $10,000.00 in Lawyers fees in which could have been used for Equipment and other fun stuff. How much longer do we have to have this cloud hanging over our heads? Give it up and join forces. This is getting absolutely rediculous. The Courts have already dismissed the Case 2x's now. Move on and allow the kids to join and play together.

[spartan71]

The issue with us (Springfield BYF) and your recent GYF shake down was all of the saber rattling PK and nick9 and sp6 were doing all year long about our director Ed Ellis not being able to pass a background check to become the new director per Suburban Youth which was bull crap i have read the Suburban Youth league by-laws it says nothing about that, i repeat nothing!! and Ed's record had a petty theft when he 19 years old not even a felony 5...(hint) and you guys took it and ran him into the ground over that stupid petty issue so really who spewed the hate first Smash?? talk about an agenda...

i hope you guys have a smooth transfer of power lots of us know who you want to pick for your new director and hey i hope it works out for you guys but dont ever think that we will forget the roll your ex-director and his cronies had in the law suits filed against our organization and how much money it cost our already finacially burdened community and the things it has taken from our Springfield children... so yeah i'm still pissed because instead of buying new shoulderpads this year or uniforms we got pay our blood sucking attorneys just to move on to have a next year....

so next time any Springfield parents see the great guys who kept Suburban Youth going in Springfield dont forget to say thanks!!!:rolleyes:

i would love to post all i know about GYF plight but i would not want to spew any hate....

[Mr.Rogers]

there is no need to spread hate. Green Springfield have gone threw some tough times during there split. We have survived and so will springfield. Unfortanately some people let there own agendas get in the way of a kids game.

[thepolster]

Suburban Youth league by-laws it says nothing about that, i repeat nothing!! So does this mean I can be a coach? :rolleyes:

[SPARTANPRIDE]

So does this mean I can be a coach? :rolleyes:SEGA.......................:)

[Irish87]

So does this mean I can be a coach? :rolleyes:

How about Cheer Director? :blush: :)

[thepolster]

I have to check with welfare. Sometimes they cut into your food allowance if you have another job.

[Mr.Rogers]

you would be the best one to know that

[spartan71]

Mrs. Rodgers i hope your not being hatefull... i would hate to start spewing!!!

[spartan71]

So does this mean I can be a coach? :rolleyes: i would love it if you could be i would log in under some obscure name and hammer you like a nail!!! KARMA SUCKS! :) :) :)

[Mr.Rogers]

just stating a fact

[Smashmouth#1]

The issue with us (Springfield BYF) and your recent GYF shake down was all of the saber rattling PK and nick9 and sp6 were doing all year long about our director Ed Ellis not being able to pass a background check to become the new director per Suburban Youth which was bull crap i have read the Suburban Youth league by-laws it says nothing about that, i repeat nothing!! and Ed's record had a petty theft when he 19 years old not even a felony 5...(hint) and you guys took it and ran him into the ground over that stupid petty issue so really who spewed the hate first Smash?? talk about an agenda...

i hope you guys have a smooth transfer of power lots of us know who you want to pick for your new director and hey i hope it works out for you guys but dont ever think that we will forget the roll your ex-director and his cronies had in the law suits filed against our organization and how much money it cost our already finacially burdened community and the things it has taken from our Springfield children... so yeah i'm still pissed because instead of buying new shoulderpads this year or uniforms we got pay our blood sucking attorneys just to move on to have a next year....

so next time any Springfield parents see the great guys who kept Suburban Youth going in Springfield dont forget to say thanks!!!:rolleyes:

i would love to post all i know about GYF plight but i would not want to spew any hate....

I really don't remember ever saying anything about your Director having a record. If I did, then I need to see what I said. There is not a point dictating "NO Felons, criminals or other hooligans" verbatum in the constitution, but there is a blanket rule that covers most things. It requires a vote. It refers everything back to a code of ethics. I'm don't know what ED did so I can't say if it's in violation or not.

As far as the new director goes, it needs to be done by the book, period. There are specific directions in our organization by-laws that require a committee and people to be nomitated. Then the SYF board has to do a background check to make sure he passes and is fit for duty, so to speak. As long as everything is done by the book, on the up and up, and nothing is tucked awa or sealed up so people can't see it, then the transfer of power will be smooth.

I understand your frustration with having to pay attorneys, it's a shame that it comes to that. I'm also not asking you to forget anything, but he has stepped down, there will be a new face on the organization with some new ideas, so I would hope that you wouldn't hold a grudge.

[spartan71]

True... i have no fight with you or the new board of GYF i hope all gets worked out for you guys... good luck in Florida...

quick question: why are you not seeking the Directors position? it seemed to me you were being groomed for the position... dont let a click take things over and run out all the current voluteers so they can have complete control.. with complete control comes corruption as is evident now...

[thepolster]

Its official , I have just opointed myself the new director in Green. Hey if the jack shack can do it I can. Thank you everyone for the support. Thanks for sealing my record, especially the youngster violation. My first business of the day is all cheer directors report to Irishes house for inspection.

[GRPride86]

NEXT!!!!


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[Smashmouth#1]

True... i have no fight with you or the new board of GYF i hope all gets worked out for you guys... good luck in Florida...

quick question: why are you not seeking the Directors position? it seemed to me you were being groomed for the position... dont let a click take things over and run out all the current voluteers so they can have complete control.. with complete control comes corruption as is evident now...


The truth is, I would do it, if I was nominated and voted in. What needs to happen now is that the by laws and constitution need to be followed. There are specific directives that state what needs to happen. Those things need to happen. If a small group comes in and assumes power, and wants to change things and show total disregard for the existing rules, regulations and people, then that, in most circles, is considered a coux.

[Irish87]

NEXT!!!!


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My Jacket is much shorter than that. :)