Stolen property

[Irish87]

Can anyone confirm what I heard last night? I was told, the Concession Stand at Schrop Field was broken into and everything was stolen out of it. All Refrigerators, Freezers, Pretzel machine, popcorn machine, Coffe and hot Chocolate machines, everything. Is this true?

If so, I really hope they find the guilty person(s). These items are extremely expensive to replace and its sad to see people stealing from a non-profit Organization.

I assume a police report was filed. Anyone?

[spartan71]

yes one was filed, and an investigation is under way.. its really pathetic... and sad that someone would steal donated items from a youth organization :mad: but the train has already left the station and football starts july 28th with or without 2 water coolers, a freezer, a popcorn machines, and nacho cheese machine:) .... i'm sure some community buisnesses and residents have some coolers or freezers they are dying to get out of their basements or garages just let us know we would appreciate any donations...

[Ragemaker]

Wow, how pathetic!! But sounds to me like they knew exactly what was in there and what they were going after. That couldn't have been a 1 truck, or 1 trip job!! Nice going... idiots!

[SPARTAN HOPE]

Hopefully the police will question the most obvious suspect(s). I wonder if anyone across from the school (neighbors) seen anything. There is a lot of traffic on that road. Perhaps an article in the Suburbanite will lead to some info and some donations. That is truly pathetic for someone to do that to the kids. Karma is a b---- and this one will come back to haunt the theives for a long time..:mad:

[spartan71]

If they were gonna clean the place out they could of at least swept the floors for us..
All kidding aside with all we have been thru this off season and the lies being spread by certain people about us, this is just another bump in the road for SYF-BYF... funny thing is even with the 2 leagues we still have more kids signed up for SYF than last year.. without the split i have no doubts we could of had record numbers. it has not been pretty or easy for us but nothing worth while ever is (thats something i learned from a playing sports long ago).
I would like to apologize to Springfield parents for all the confusion this year involving football that was not our intentions but may have been the intentions of others.. it will work out in the end and our community will prosper because of the change to no discrimination youth football in Springfield..

Thank you Springfield,

Kevin Metzgar
Assistant Director
Springfield Youth Football

[dfan1]

HEY GUYS,
I will be at the speed camp on Sunday night let me know if there is any way that TYF can help you out.

[Irish87]

We appreciate it Dfan1. As Spartan71 stated, just another bump in the road for our Organization. We've overcome the others, I'm sure things will work out for us again. We appreciate your support and concern.
These "bumps" have done nothing but make us stronger and more united as an Organization. Can't wait to get the season underway.

See ya Sunday. And don't forget about our Festival at Springfield Lake this weekend. It starts tonight and runs through Sunday with Fireworks Saturday night. Lots of games, rides, food and beverages. Stop by the SYF-BYF Booth and say hi.

[Buckeye29]

Hey Irish or Spartan 71,
I have a freezer sitting in my garage that I'd love to donate to you guys. It's old, but it works good. If you want to PM me we can set up a time for someone to come get it if you want it. I'd bring it out but I don't have a truck any more. I do really hope the catch the gutless cowards that stole all of your stuff. I also hope that if they do catch them that Ed has them prosecuted to fullest extent of the law!!!! Anyone that would steal from kids should be flogged, and ran out of the community!!! Okay I took a deep breathe and I'm alright now. Good luck to you guys with the upcoming season. Also, Irish, were the boys still getting shirts from the speed camp? Just let me know.

[Irish87]

We'll prolly take you up on the Freezer. We'll get back to you. Hopefully they find the stuff and it gets returned. Thanx again for the offer.

I have their Shirts at my house. I'll bring them down to the Festival this weekend. You plan on coming down? I'll have them there for your kids. I got a Shirt for every kid who attended at least one Session.

Hey Irish or Spartan 71,
I have a freezer sitting in my garage that I'd love to donate to you guys. It's old, but it works good. If you want to PM me we can set up a time for someone to come get it if you want it. I'd bring it out but I don't have a truck any more. I do really hope the catch the gutless cowards that stole all of your stuff. I also hope that if they do catch them that Ed has them prosecuted to fullest extent of the law!!!! Anyone that would steal from kids should be flogged, and ran out of the community!!! Okay I took a deep breathe and I'm alright now. Good luck to you guys with the upcoming season. Also, Irish, were the boys still getting shirts from the speed camp? Just let me know.

[spartan V]

Can anyone confirm what I heard last night? I was told, the Concession Stand at Schrop Field was broken into and everything was stolen out of it. All Refrigerators, Freezers, Pretzel machine, popcorn machine, Coffe and hot Chocolate machines, everything. Is this true?

If so, I really hope they find the guilty person(s). These items are extremely expensive to replace and its sad to see people stealing from a non-profit Organization.

I assume a police report was filed. Anyone?

Wow, this is truly an all time low!! It makes you wonder what kind of a snake would steal from kids. Sounds like grand theft to me, this snake must also be a complete idiot.

[Irish87]

Members of the Springfield Suburban Youth Football organization,

I would like to know as well as many other people in the community, if the Items taken from Schrop Intermediate School, will be returned to the premises, in the near future?

It was discovered in speaking with the Police, that a person associated with this organization removed the items from the Concession stand.

Were they taken to be cleaned up and then they will be returned later this week? Just curious because the season starts soon and the Springfield Youth Football, members of the BYF League will need them to start the season.

[GR1FAN]

The higher ups advised your director Hurland Parker owns those machines. They actually belong to the SYFL not syf or byf. You fellows dont have a pot to psspss in. Who looks like the fool now?

[Irish87]

I think when the Community finds out, this is the way this self proclaimed Director operates, by taking from the children, his organization will be no more. This was a really classy thing to do.

SYF-BYF is doing things the right way and by the numbers signed up, I think the Community has made their decision on what Program is best for their kids.

Where does it stop? Will he be removing Shingles and Siding from the Equipment Shed tonight? Or what about the Bleecher Seats in the stands? Will those be missing next? Or maybe he'll take the grass sod off the Field so the kids have to play in dirt.

This has truely become a sad day for Youth Sports in Springfield. I never thought an Organization could stoop so low, and yet admit it to the public as well, with no guilty feelings whatsoever.

[SPARTAN HOPE]

Just because someone is associated with the organization it does not give them any right to take items from the concession stand. Does it make it ok if you tell the police you are taking it? If these items are not returned soon to/for the children of this community, I encourage everyone to call the Springfield Police non-emergency number at 733-1061 and asking how such a thing can happen. It is just a bump in the road for the BYF, but I say we should hit it hard.:mad:

[GR1FAN]

Just because someone is associated with the organization it does not give them any right to take items from the concession stand. Does it make it ok if you tell the police you are taking it? If these items are not returned soon to/for the children of this community, I encourage everyone to call the Springfield Police non-emergency number at 733-1061 and asking how such a thing can happen. It is just a bump in the road for the BYF, but I say we should hit it hard.:mad: Does everyone call the police in Springfield? Jeesh:help: You guys made the decision to split and Mr Parker made the decision to stay so why should he be blamed for doing what came natural?

[Irish87]

When a crime has been commited against the kids in the Community, yes, the police need to be involved.
I'm not going to go over the split thing again. I will only state, we the Board of Springfield Youth Football, made a unanimous decisions to change Leagues. Thats all. No more no less. When Hurland decided to self proclaim himself Director of SSYF, that made him and his organization the "new" League. Hurland wasn't even on the Board of the SSYF! I don't care what each League calls itself. The original League decided to switch, Hurland decided to form a new League. Its really quite simple.

Seriously, when does all this non-sense stop? Why can't everybody go on their mary way?

And to think, all this started because some parents didn't want their 2nd grader to play against 3rd or 4th graders. Remember those comments?

[nick9]

You stole the uniforms first with your self proclaimed Director. The police have found out what the real story is and so has the State Attorney General. Your Attorney will be sanctioned also. What about the kids you stole from in SSYF? Go back and lie to the TV, they were puzzled about your pleading for money but you will hear about this later, Good luck. I think when the Community finds out, this is the way this self proclaimed Director operates, by taking from the children, his organization will be no more. This was a really classy thing to do.

SYF-BYF is doing things the right way and by the numbers signed up, I think the Community has made their decision on what Program is best for their kids.

Where does it stop? Will he be removing Shingles and Siding from the Equipment Shed tonight? Or what about the Bleecher Seats in the stands? Will those be missing next? Or maybe he'll take the grass sod off the Field so the kids have to play in dirt.

This has truely become a sad day for Youth Sports in Springfield. I never thought an Organization could stoop so low, and yet admit it to the public as well, with no guilty feelings whatsoever.

[Irish87]

Nobody pleaded for anything. We simply brought this to the attention of the Public, through the help of the media. Did you hear anybody ask for anything? In fact, I specificaly told them, that this will not stop us only hinder our efforts to make this Football Season enjoyable for the kids.

You guys are simply amazing. Still in this for the kids?

And another thing, who actually nominated Mr Parker as Director? Was it the same person who quit on the Organization last November, but was too afraid to submit his Resignation letter? As I stated, self proclaimed.

[SSpartans]

Mr Parker should he be blamed for doing what came natural?
This statement is insane...What are you 10 years old? My God I hope he doesnt own a gun...This is who they are putting in charge of kids in our community.... Thanks Suburban Youth Football

[sportsfan]

Does the school have any ownership rights to the equipement that was removed from their property?

[nick9]

We are going to bring things to the public also. Their is kids on both sides but you dont want to talk about them because they do not believe in your league. The news people feel they were lied to since you knew were the equipment was the whole time. Everything will be public now . How do you explain the lie your lawyer told? Did you publicly call HR a theif? Nobody pleaded for anything. We simply brought this to the attention of the Public, through the help of the media. Did you hear anybody ask for anything? In fact, I specificaly told them, that this will not stop us only hinder our efforts to make this Football Season enjoyable for the kids.

You guys are simply amazing. Still in this for the kids?

[Irish87]

To be honest, I don't believe they did. The Concession stand and its field were only on Lease to the BYF group, so I'm not sure they can help out. We are exploring this option as well though. I'm not fully educated of the rights in this situation.

[Irish87]

We are going to bring things to the public also. Their is kids on both sides but you dont want to talk about them because they do not believe in your league. The news people feel they were lied to since you knew were the equipment was the whole time. Everything will be public now . How do you explain the lie your lawyer told? Did you publicly call HR a theif?

We had no proof of who had the equipment, thus the reason to bring this to the attention of the Public, in case anyone saw anything. Did you hear any of us say that any individual specifically took the items? Once again, that answer would be no.

[nick9]

Turn it in to your insurance company and they can add insurance fraud to everything else.To be honest, I don't believe they did. The Concession stand and its field were only on Lease to the BYF group, so I'm not sure they can help out. We are exploring this option as well though. I'm not fully educated of the rights in this situation.

[nick9]

I agree lets talk about the uniforms that were taken from the shed and stored at your so called Directors house. If these uniforms are not returned parents should call the police and lets go to court and let a judge decide. For all of you that dont know what happened, BYF had a lawyer say he was representing Springfield Suburban Youth ( Hurland Parker ) and he wanted to dismiss the case. This is not only wrong but the lawyer will have sanctions filed against them. We will not stop fighting for our kids we have done everything right by the law. It may take a couple of weeks but the court s will hear this case and the truth will come out.Just because someone is associated with the organization it does not give them any right to take items from the concession stand. Does it make it ok if you tell the police you are taking it? If these items are not returned soon to/for the children of this community, I encourage everyone to call the Springfield Police non-emergency number at 733-1061 and asking how such a thing can happen. It is just a bump in the road for the BYF, but I say we should hit it hard.:mad:

[nick9]

Have you ever read the constitution of your orginization? Read it you went against this when you made Ed the Director. Also look at who is the Director of SSYF a orginization for 35 years not a new entity. When a crime has been commited against the kids in the Community, yes, the police need to be involved.
I'm not going to go over the split thing again. I will only state, we the Board of Springfield Youth Football, made a unanimous decisions to change Leagues. Thats all. No more no less. When Hurland decided to self proclaim himself Director of SSYF, that made him and his organization the "new" League. Hurland wasn't even on the Board of the SSYF! I don't care what each League calls itself. The original League decided to switch, Hurland decided to form a new League. Its really quite simple.

Seriously, when does all this non-sense stop? Why can't everybody go on their mary way?

And to think, all this started because some parents didn't want their 2nd grader to play against 3rd or 4th graders. Remember those comments?

[Irish87]

Turn it in to your insurance company and they can add insurance fraud to everything else.

So, are you calling the Springfield School Board Administration liars also?

Is there anything you guys are happy about? No matter what anybody tells you, you're just never happy. If its not you're way, its the wrong way.

Move on. Get over it. I mean really, How is all this crap benefitting the kids? Answer that question.
Are you really telling all the parents from the 200 plus kids that signed up with the BYF, that they made a bad decision? Do you really feel you are the person who should be making this decision for them?

You have your League, move on and then we can move on with ours.

[tyfateam]

This sounds like a job for Judge Judy

[Irish87]

It may take a couple of weeks but the court s will hear this case and the truth will come out.

So your willing to jeaopardize football in our Community, because you didn't get your way? Do you really feel you will come out to be the hero, when all this is done?

[nick9]

I dont care what league someone choses. My problem is with the equipment. Ed was never the Director of Suburban League, he couldnt pass a background check. You have my blessing to start your own league but you never had the right to the equipment. People have not made a educated decision because they have not been told the truth. As far as our schools go did you read the suburbanite lately we will be bringing up pay to play or cutting sports all together so when our 8th graders have no place to play were will you tell them to go?So, are you calling the Springfield School Board Administration liars also?

Is there anything you guys are happy about? No matter what anybody tells you, you're just never happy. If its not you're way, its the wrong way.

Move on. Get over it. I mean really, How is all this crap benefitting the kids? Answer that question.
Are you really telling all the parents from the 200 plus kids that signed up with the BYF, that they made a bad decision? Do you really feel you are the person who should be making this decision for them?

You have your League, move on and then we can move on with ours.

[nick9]

I am not jeapordizing football we will play as we always have, I dont care about looking like a hero but what is right is right. So your willing to jeaopardize football in our Community, because you didn't get your way? Do you really feel you will come out to be the hero, when all this is done?

[Irish87]

You have my blessing to start your own league but you never had the right to the equipment. People have not made a educated decision because they have not been told the truth.

Every single parent who signed their child up with the BYF League, was explained the differences between the two. They were all told there are 2 Leagues in this town, and they still signed up with us.

Keep reaching and tearing our community down.

[thepolster]

I dont care what league someone choses. My problem is with the equipment. Ed was never the Director of Suburban League, he couldnt pass a background check. You have my blessing to start your own league but you never had the right to the equipment. People have not made a educated decision because they have not been told the truth. As far as our schools go did you read the suburbanite lately we will be bringing up pay to play or cutting sports all together so when our 8th graders have no place to play were will you tell them to go?
You guys are pathetic. Like I said when I called you huland, clean up Dougs field at springhill. I cant wait till we settle this, god I cant wait.

[green pride]

Why are you fighting with this guy, this website is the biggest cause of the crap in Springfield. Good luck this year, to bad a league came between many friends. I told you it would happen and it is not over.:confused: Every single parent who signed their child up with the BYF League, was explained the differences between the two. They were all told there are 2 Leagues in this town, and they still signed up with us.

Keep reaching and tearing our community down.

[bass10]

I dont care what league someone choses. My problem is with the equipment. Ed was never the Director of Suburban League, he couldnt pass a background check. You have my blessing to start your own league but you never had the right to the equipment. People have not made a educated decision because they have not been told the truth. As far as our schools go did you read the suburbanite lately we will be bringing up pay to play or cutting sports all together so when our 8th graders have no place to play were will you tell them to go?

Remember Nick9 only your small 8th graders would have a place to play...not all of them!!!!

[thepolster]

Why are you fighting with this guy, this website is the biggest cause of the crap in Springfield. Good luck this year, to bad a league came between many friends. I told you it would happen and it is not over.:confused:
whats wrong, you guys love having your puppet boy parker getting hmself in more trouble. I may hate the way this is going but the way you use these guys over here is brilliant.:thumb:

[thepolster]

Remember Nick9 only your small 8th graders would have a place to play...not all of them!!!!Hurlans got some of the 7th graders mommys calling Vaughn and complaining. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahah, whats Vaughn going to do that he has done for you already? NOTHING

[spartan V]

I agree lets talk about the uniforms that were taken from the shed and stored at your so called Directors house. If these uniforms are not returned parents should call the police and lets go to court and let a judge decide. For all of you that dont know what happened, BYF had a lawyer say he was representing Springfield Suburban Youth ( Hurland Parker ) and he wanted to dismiss the case. This is not only wrong but the lawyer will have sanctions filed against them. We will not stop fighting for our kids we have done everything right by the law. It may take a couple of weeks but the court s will hear this case and the truth will come out.

We went to court, the judge made his decision. Is all of this mess payback because the case was dismissed? I am not sure I understand, are telling us that Hurland Parker has the contents of the consession stand?

[green pride]

Boy you must think I control everything. I again could care less what you do over their. Why have you lied the way you have about me? Everytime you open your mouth I am more amazed at what come s out.whats wrong, you guys love having your puppet boy parker getting hmself in more trouble. I may hate the way this is going but the way you use these guys over here is brilliant.:thumb:

[Young Spartan Nation]

byf will rule the township so get over it . nice turn out this weekend irish .

[spartan V]

Does everyone call the police in Springfield? Jeesh:help: You guys made the decision to split and Mr Parker made the decision to stay so why should he be blamed for doing what came natural?

I'm sorry but I don't believe that their is anything natural about grand theft!
Why don't you ask Mr. Parker to show you the board minutes from April. Ask him why the board minutes state: All in attendance vote unanimously to move to BYF League. Like I have stated in a previous post, if you quit a job because you are unhappy with the changes your company makes, you give up all rights and ties with that company. The fact is that Mr. Parker made the decision to move to BYF, then changed his mind. He chose to quit!!!!!
If you quit your job, do you then go to your office after hours and take the computer, phone, chair, desk, office supplies. Let me answer that for you-NO
you don't because these things do not belong to you and if you did take these things it would be called GRAND THEFT.

[Ram56]

I dont care what league someone choses. My problem is with the equipment. Ed was never the Director of Suburban League, he couldnt pass a background check. You have my blessing to start your own league but you never had the right to the equipment. People have not made a educated decision because they have not been told the truth. As far as our schools go did you read the suburbanite lately we will be bringing up pay to play or cutting sports all together so when our 8th graders have no place to play were will you tell them to go?

Hello Nick9 this is not your community, nor your children as you speak. You are not from our community, you have a business in our community, your children our not a part of Springfield Township, you childred do not play or attend school in Springfield they reside in Green. You have been a helper coach for 2 years in this community. As for you thinking that you own the contents of the concession stand or the Equipment How do you own that? HOW???:confused: :confused: Alls the board did was change leagues we are still syf-byf!! While you were taking the concession stand products did you fordget to take the tires that made your team a success the last 2 years????
Why were you ran out of Green Youth Organization????
You have been asked on many times who made you the director of SYYF???
No Replies to that question ever..(Lawsuits aren't everthing)
Thanks to the Syf-Byf at the Rockin The Docks And to Larry Boso for everything you guys & gals have done for this organization= Your right its making us a better organization with everyone involved!!~ BYF will RULE:rainbow:

[GR1FAN]

I'm sorry but I don't believe that their is anything natural about grand theft!
Why don't you ask Mr. Parker to show you the board minutes from April. Ask him why the board minutes state: All in attendance vote unanimously to move to BYF League. Like I have stated in a previous post, if you quit a job because you are unhappy with the changes your company makes, you give up all rights and ties with that company. The fact is that Mr. Parker made the decision to move to BYF, then changed his mind. He chose to quit!!!!!
If you quit your job, do you then go to your office after hours and take the computer, phone, chair, desk, office supplies. Let me answer that for you-NO
you don't because these things do not belong to you and if you did take these things it would be called GRAND THEFT. Mr Parker was pushed into a vote from what I have gathered. The fact is Springfield police has assisted Mr Parker into getting his things. SO GIVE UP YOUR USELESS FIGHT. Because he has the law and the people behind him that matter.

[bass10]

Mr Parker was pushed into a vote from what I have gathered. The fact is Springfield police has assisted Mr Parker into getting his things. SO GIVE UP YOUR USELESS FIGHT. Because he has the law and the people behind him that matter.

Not sure what people are behind him that matter, seems to me as a reader that more people from Springfield aren't behind him? There's one football organization in Springfield that changed the league they were playing in, why then would they forfiet all their hard work for everything they have to one person and buy all new concession stand and football equipment, just doesn't seem on the up and up. IT'S YOUTH FOOTBALL, really HP this league is not that much different, not worth the *&% your making yourself look like to the MAJORITY of your community.

[GR1FAN]

I'm sorry but I don't believe that their is anything natural about grand theft!
Why don't you ask Mr. Parker to show you the board minutes from April. Ask him why the board minutes state: All in attendance vote unanimously to move to BYF League. Like I have stated in a previous post, if you quit a job because you are unhappy with the changes your company makes, you give up all rights and ties with that company. The fact is that Mr. Parker made the decision to move to BYF, then changed his mind. He chose to quit!!!!!
If you quit your job, do you then go to your office after hours and take the computer, phone, chair, desk, office supplies. Let me answer that for you-NO
you don't because these things do not belong to you and if you did take these things it would be called GRAND THEFT.
I have seen the minutes where it shows him to be the Director. Cant you get it through your thick skull? Get over it because syfl has once again came out on top. So go back to watching opera and let the real men make decisions for whats right and wrong.

[bass10]

I have seen the minutes where it shows him to be the Director. Cant you get it through your thick skull? Get over it because syfl has once again came out on top. So go back to watching opera and let the real men make decisions for whats right and wrong.

GR1FAN (the real man) hate to keep kicking a dead horse but what is so wrong with BYFL. You say SYFL has "once again" came out on top, when was the other times they "came out on top"? Youth football is Youth football.

[GR1FAN]

GR1FAN (the real man) hate to keep kicking a dead horse but what is so wrong with BYFL. You say SYFL has "once again" came out on top, when was the other times they "came out on top"? Youth football is Youth football. You guys keep trying to overthrow syfl and dont succeed.

[bass10]

You guys keep trying to overthrow syfl and dont succeed.

Wrong, BYFL (most of us) have agreed that two leagues can co-exist. It is the belief of the BYF that it actually makes both leagues better. Trust me the SYFL is much better today than it was before BYFL, EVERYONE involved would be kidding themselves to say otherwise. I can list 5-10 changes made for the better AFTER BYFL came into the picture.

[spartan V]

Mr Parker was pushed into a vote from what I have gathered. The fact is Springfield police has assisted Mr Parker into getting his things. SO GIVE UP YOUR USELESS FIGHT. Because he has the law and the people behind him that matter.

Just how exactly do you get pushed into a vote? Who pushed him John S. because that is who he was sitting by? I sorry, did H.P. forget we live in America?
You guys keep making a point that the police assisted Mr.Parker, if that is even true, then I guess I don't understand why H.P. would mislead our police dept. Did he forget about the judgement?

[Smashmouth#1]

Wrong, BYFL (most of us) have agreed that two leagues can co-exist. It is the belief of the BYF that it actually makes both leagues better. Trust me the SYFL is much better today than it was before BYFL, EVERYONE involved would be kidding themselves to say otherwise. I can list 5-10 changes made for the better AFTER BYFL came into the picture.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Man I hope people have their boots on.

Bass10 you must have hit your head and lost your memory because you make every attempt to do what GR1FAN has said and put GYF out of business unsuccessfully. Poor attempt at revisionist history.

[spartan V]

I have seen the minutes where it shows him to be the Director. Cant you get it through your thick skull? Get over it because syfl has once again came out on top. So go back to watching opera and let the real men make decisions for whats right and wrong.

Not the minutes from April when he voted, oh I'm sorry was pushed into a vote. Where did these minutes come from? You really need to revisit your doctor maybe he can up your dosage.

[bass10]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Man I hope people have their boots on.

Bass10 you must have hit your head and lost your memory because you make every attempt to do what GR1FAN has said and put GYF out of business unsuccessfully. Poor attempt at revisionist history.

Alright I new my buddy would be back with very little enticing, oh by the way have you ever thought of changing your screen name to LOUDMOUTH? You don't know me, maybe you're the one who hit his head. I have NEVER done anything to get GYF out of business, I've moved on and could actually give two ----- about GYF. But since I come on here and lie about everything maybe YOU mouth can enlighten us and tell everyone what exactly I've done to try and put GYF "out of business"?

[Smashmouth#1]

Alright I new my buddy would be back with very little enticing, oh by the way have you ever thought of changing your screen name to LOUDMOUTH? You don't know me, maybe you're the one who hit his head. I have NEVER done anything to get GYF out of business, I've moved on and could actually give two ----- about GYF. But since I come on here and lie about everything maybe YOU mouth can enlighten us and tell everyone what exactly I've done to try and put GYF "out of business"?

more revisionist history. And jumping to namecalling as per the norm for you.
you're right, I don't know you since you are too scared to let people know who you are. Cowards never let people know who they are. Not saying you are, but if the shoe fits....so be it. People know who I am. They know where I stand, and they know I stand behind what I say, I don't go back and attempt to have a 4th grade "do-over" to fit into a debate.

The way that you have posted on this site, you take a shot at GYF every chance that you get, attempting to put them out of business by slander and bad mouthing the organization and the people that run it. Your attempts have been very unsuccessful, so I will admit, really you haven't done anything, you just wish you had.

[headhunter34]

I urge everyone to call the administration and the detective handling the case. Stand up for what you believe in because this move has only made us stronger. I cannot give my name but only support.

Word is Springfield numbers have went through the roof, and support and volunteers has almost doubled. Keep up the fight and I will continue what I can up here.

[bass10]

more revisionist history. And jumping to namecalling as per the norm for you.
you're right, I don't know you since you are too scared to let people know who you are. Cowards never let people know who they are. Not saying you are, but if the shoe fits....so be it. People know who I am. They know where I stand, and they know I stand behind what I say, I don't go back and attempt to have a 4th grade "do-over" to fit into a debate.

The way that you have posted on this site, you take a shot at GYF every chance that you get, attempting to put them out of business by slander and bad mouthing the organization and the people that run it. Your attempts have been very unsuccessful, so I will admit, really you haven't done anything, you just wish you had.

Well self proclaimed revisionist, I have NEVER said anything bad about the current running of GYF, you hear and decipher what you want out of my posts. I only said I don't agree with the weight limits & I did say IMO it was run poorly years ago, I believed it was time for the old regime to step down, they have and its been ran good since & changes were made so I must have been right , that is what I said even though you'll never agree with that (not in this lifetime) I could say your wife is pretty and you'd twist it that I'm lying and need to revisit something. As far as being too scared and a coward?? once again just your normal blah, blah, blah...no one has ever asked who I am, EVER, (but I'm sure I need to REVISIT something and its far too late for that, this is a forum with screen names, I don't know or care who you are, I'm on here voicing my opinion as are you. Funny, you're the only one saying about my posts what you're saying, makes you think huh?

[Smashmouth#1]

Well self proclaimed revisionist, I have NEVER said anything bad about the current running of GYF, you hear and decipher what you want out of my posts (let DOC know of those voices). I only said I don't agree with the weight limits & I did say IMO it was run poorly years ago, I believed it was time for the old regime to step down, they have and its been ran good since & changes were made so I must have been right , that is what I said even though you'll never agree with that (not in this lifetime) I could say your wife is pretty and you'd twist it that I'm lying and need to revisit something. As far as being too scared and a coward?? once again just your normal blah, blah, blah...no one has ever asked who I am, EVER, (but I'm sure I need to REVISIT something and its far too late for that, this is a forum with screen names, I don't know or care who you are, I'm on here voicing my opinion as are you. Funny, you're the only one saying about my posts what you're saying, makes you think huh?



There were others in the past that have debated what you had said.

Funny you don't remember.

Funnier still that you are getting your feathers ruffled.


Ok, I'll bite, who are you? PM me with the answer.

[SPARTAN HOPE]

Mr Parker was pushed into a vote from what I have gathered. The fact is Springfield police has assisted Mr Parker into getting his things. SO GIVE UP YOUR USELESS FIGHT. Because he has the law and the people behind him that matter.

You and your buddy are clueless, turn around and look see than nobody that knows anything about football is behind you. It is never a useless fight when it comes to our children and how you have stolen from them. In one post you claim how your buddy was pushed into a vote and the next vote how you are "real men", now that is hilarious. Nobody believes for a minute that the police would back that kind of behavior. You talk to much..watch out for the Karma!!

[thepolster]

You and your buddy are clueless, turn around and look see than nobody that knows anything about football is behind you. It is never a useless fight when it comes to our children and how you have stolen from them. In one post you claim how your buddy was pushed into a vote and the next vote how you are "real men", now that is hilarious. Nobody believes for a minute that the police would back that kind of behavior. You talk to much..watch out for the Karma!! Does being double the size count as two men? Cuz my baby should be due in 3 months.

[green pride]

Bass I would like to know who you are. Pm me also so I can understand your views.There were others in the past that have debated what you had said.

Funny you don't remember.

Funnier still that you are getting your feathers ruffled.


Ok, I'll bite, who are you? PM me with the answer.

[jimmy422]

You folks are just too much. I've been quietly following along for a bit now, just to see what all the fuss was about and I realy cant beleive what I am reading. You guys all act like you are all upset, like on a soap opera or somethin.
Stole from the kids, come to think of it, did your director put all of the equipment into his basement. I think I read that somewheres on here. isn't that stealing from the kids? Kids cant play tackle football without equipment can they?
Sounds like the ones that are really gonna be mad are all the cheer moms that can't have their nachos, 3 candy bars, twizlers and Diet Coke for dinner each day, with junor eating 12 hot dogs in between sprints. she might actually have to cook a meal.

You guys should be just fine. Isn't BYF the bring your own food league? I read that somewheres on here too.

[spartan V]

You folks are just too much. I've been quietly following along for a bit now, just to see what all the fuss was about and I realy cant beleive what I am reading. You guys all act like you are all upset, like on a soap opera or somethin.
Stole from the kids, come to think of it, did your director put all of the equipment into his basement. I think I read that somewheres on here. isn't that stealing from the kids? Kids cant play tackle football without equipment can they?
Sounds like the ones that are really gonna be mad are all the cheer moms that can't have their nachos, 3 candy bars, twizlers and Diet Coke for dinner each day, with junor eating 12 hot dogs in between sprints. she might actually have to cook a meal.

You guys should be just fine. Isn't BYF the bring your own food league? I read that somewheres on here too.

I can just picture you sitting there, staring at your computer and scratching your head saying "I read that somewheres."
You are the one that is too much. To make fun of a league that doesn't starve their players or to pick on mothers who work until 5:00 and have to be at practice from 5:30-7:30 (dinner time) is truly unbelievable.

[tallmadge H2 dad]

Just so you know..."big" doesn't neccessarily mean overweight. My 11 year old is 5'6" 150 pounds and is thick as they come. He's in great shape and loves football.
For those of you that continue to put on the "junior is overweight so they switched leagues" get over it. You are showing your ignorance on the subject whenever you post on here.

And to make light of the concession stand being robbed is truly despicable and quite honestly shows your true character.

[Irish87]

Jimmy,
go crawl back under the rock you came out from. Its obvious you didn't read the other 600 posts about Springfield Youth Football voting to switch Leagues and go to the BYF. I will refresh you'r memory. The Board of Directors for Springfield Youth Football unanimously voted, 10 - 0 to switch Leagues. 4 weeks later, 1 individual that was a small part of the Board(small meaning only attended 1 Board Meeting all year), notified us that he had changed his mind and wanted to stay in Suburban. At that point, he and his partner decided to start up Suburban Youth Football again. That makes them the new League and therefore they should have been required to find other sources for Equipment, Fields, Refrigerators and Freezers, not to mention Popcorn Machines, Microwaves and Hot dog machines. Even with the one member of the Board changing his mind 4 weeks later, it was still a 9 - 1 Vote in favor of the switch. Last I remember, in a Democracy style run Program, a 9 - 1 Vote, was still the majority vote.

And again, the comment about overweight kids and making fun of them and the parents who volunteer their time in the Concession stand, truley does show your true colors. You should be real proud of yourself making comments like that about children.

You folks are just too much. I've been quietly following along for a bit now, just to see what all the fuss was about and I realy cant beleive what I am reading. You guys all act like you are all upset, like on a soap opera or somethin.
Stole from the kids, come to think of it, did your director put all of the equipment into his basement. I think I read that somewheres on here. isn't that stealing from the kids? Kids cant play tackle football without equipment can they?
Sounds like the ones that are really gonna be mad are all the cheer moms that can't have their nachos, 3 candy bars, twizlers and Diet Coke for dinner each day, with junor eating 12 hot dogs in between sprints. she might actually have to cook a meal.

You guys should be just fine. Isn't BYF the bring your own food league? I read that somewheres on here too.

[nick9]

When this case is heard in court if the judge says all the equipment in SSYF how are you going to go about getting the equipment back. You had your lawyer falsify information to get case dropped but is being reopened. Do you do this tactic so we look like the bad guys getting our equipment back? Are you registered with the State as a non profit orginization? Do you have insurance for the kids? Do you do background checks in your orginization? Do you have a constitution? Questions people should ask, you may already have these but would like to know the answer to these questions.Jimmy,
go crawl back under the rock you came out from. Its obvious you didn't read the other 600 posts about Springfield Youth Football voting to switch Leagues and go to the BYF. I will refresh you'r memory. The Board of Directors for Springfield Youth Football unanimously voted, 10 - 0 to switch Leagues. 4 weeks later, 1 individual that was a small part of the Board(small meaning only attended 1 Board Meeting all year), notified us that he had changed his mind and wanted to stay in Suburban. At that point, he and his partner decided to start up Suburban Youth Football again. That makes them the new League and therefore they should have been required to find other sources for Equipment, Fields, Refrigerators and Freezers, not to mention Popcorn Machines, Microwaves and Hot dog machines. Even with the one member of the Board changing his mind 4 weeks later, it was still a 9 - 1 Vote in favor of the switch. Last I remember, in a Democracy style run Program, a 9 - 1 Vote, was still the majority vote.

And again, the comment about overweight kids and making fun of them and the parents who volunteer their time in the Concession stand, truley does show your true colors. You should be real proud of yourself making comments like that about children.

[thepolster]

When this case is heard in court if the judge says all the equipment in SSYF how are you going to go about getting the equipment back. You had your lawyer falsify information to get case dropped but is being reopened. Do you do this tactic so we look like the bad guys getting our equipment back? Are you registered with the State as a non profit orginization? Do you have insurance for the kids? Do you do background checks in your orginization? Do you have a constitution? Questions people should ask, you may already have these but would like to know the answer to these questions. Dude you dont have coaches, equipment , fields or support from anyonre in the high school or administration. Prove that son. You guys are not even recognized by your own town. What hurlan, the pain is still hurting. I know your thinking I cant give up but I like to see the pain its in my blood. Can I get a witnesss to your pain, Oh god just make it stop. Remember when you said you guys were playing at schrop? what happened? what about jedd, that didnt work out either. Like I said get springhill looking good for the 7th grade byf players for next year. You could be the lawn boy, I think Irish still needs that spot filled.

[RK89]

I cannot believe the stupidity of one man (Hurland Parker), but even more, I cannot believe the stupidity of any person that would follow him!

He could care less about the children of this community or any other community, he is just one big DRAMA "QUEEN". I hope when all is said and done, the people of Springifield finally see him for what he is and stop patronizing his business, and then he will need to crawl.....no slither, like the snake he is back into the hole from which he came.

[tyfateam]

Quick question:

Where's the money coming from to pay for all this legal stuff?

Lawyers
Court Fees, etc...

[sriracha]

... Are you registered with the State as a non profit orginization? Do you have insurance for the kids? Do you do background checks in your orginization? Do you have a constitution? Questions people should ask, you may already have these but would like to know the answer to these questions.

Why would they have to register as a new non profit just because they switched leagues? If there was a valid Board vote (which it appears there was) then Mr. Parker needs a new registration/insurance/constitution/equipment, etc. How could a judge rule otherwise?

[nick9]

Attorney General already ruled the orginization is under Hurland Parker. Not a valid board because the orginization let there registration lapse in Columbus. You will know more from the news in a couple of days. The truth will finally come out. Now that the Lakemore Mayor has pledged not to pass a school levy what will you do for the 8th graders?Why would they have to register as a new non profit just because they switched leagues? If there was a valid Board vote (which it appears there was) then Mr. Parker needs a new registration/insurance/constitution/equipment, etc. How could a judge rule otherwise?

[Irish87]

Do you feel better about yourself now? It is very obvious, the reason Hurland is doing this. It is all about control, and not the kids. He has made this ugly, when it didn't have to be. Instead of working with everybody to make us a better Football program, he has created separation and animosity within our Community. Congratulations Mr. Parker. I hope you can sleep well knowing what you have caused. Its no wonder Green booted you out of their program.
Attorney General already ruled the orginization is under Hurland Parker. Not a valid board because the orginization let there registration lapse in Columbus. You will know more from the news in a couple of days. The truth will finally come out. Now that the Lakemore Mayor has pledged not to pass a school levy what will you do for the 8th graders?

[thepolster]

Attorney General already ruled the orginization is under Hurland Parker. Not a valid board because the orginization let there registration lapse in Columbus. You will know more from the news in a couple of days. The truth will finally come out. Now that the Lakemore Mayor has pledged not to pass a school levy what will you do for the 8th graders?

That tells how much you know about what goes on in Springfield. Touchdown club was funding the 8th grade team this year if the levey wouldnt of passed. Go tan some more leather face. So much behind the scenes that I know that would make you hurt even more.hahahahahahahahahahahaahhahaahahahahahaahhaah . I love it when you try to make up stories and get the good guys up tight. That dont work with me.

[thepolster]

Attorney General already ruled the orginization is under Hurland Parker. Not a valid board because the orginization let there registration lapse in Columbus. You will know more from the news in a couple of days. The truth will finally come out. Now that the Lakemore Mayor has pledged not to pass a school levy what will you do for the 8th graders?
I will tell the mayor what you said hurly. But when he comes up to see you again dont hide this time.

[GRPride86]

This is going to be very interesting how this comes out in the court.

The team with the best lawyer is going to win this.

Both sides have filled out different forms with the Sec of State, but I think what it will come down to is even though the registration ran out, did Springfield Suburban Youth Football act as a non-profit organization.

Did they have regular board meetings, did they file their financial records and tax forms. If they did, then Mr. Hynde may have just paid for all the filing fees for them.

It seems that it's the same organization, just a different league.

Good Luck.

[Irish87]

Unbelievable isnt it?
Its Youth Football people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:wallbang: :wallbang:

This is going to be very interesting how this comes out in the court.

The team with the best lawyer is going to win this.

Both sides have filled out different forms with the Sec of State, but I think what it will come down to is even though the registration ran out, did Springfield Suburban Youth Football act as a non-profit organization.

Did they have regular board meetings, did they file their financial records and tax forms. If they did, then Mr. Hynde may have just paid for all the filing fees for them.

It seems that it's the same organization, just a different league.

Good Luck.

[spartan71]

Attorney General already ruled the orginization is under Hurland Parker. Not a valid board because the orginization let there registration lapse in Columbus. You will know more from the news in a couple of days. The truth will finally come out. Now that the Lakemore Mayor has pledged not to pass a school levy what will you do for the 8th graders?
come on Tan Man you know the courts will see thru your trickery when the facts are out on the table, just like the township people have and only 8-12 of the boys signed up for byf 7th grade team would make your discriminating 138lb weight limit anyways keep spewing your venom your days here in Springfield are numbered...

[nick9]

Front page of the Beacon Journal his words idiot.I will tell the mayor what you said hurly. But when he comes up to see you again dont hide this time.

[nick9]

They never followed there constitution in electing a Director. Attorney General already ruled now is looking to go after someones head for falsifying goverment documents. This is going to be very interesting how this comes out in the court.

The team with the best lawyer is going to win this.

Both sides have filled out different forms with the Sec of State, but I think what it will come down to is even though the registration ran out, did Springfield Suburban Youth Football act as a non-profit organization.

Did they have regular board meetings, did they file their financial records and tax forms. If they did, then Mr. Hynde may have just paid for all the filing fees for them.

It seems that it's the same organization, just a different league.

Good Luck.

[spartan71]

we voted for our new director Ed Ellis in March per the contitution but when were you voted in? and by what board??? :shrug: i think i'm gonna file for Salvation Army's 501c3 when it expires and you can ring my bells for me..thats basically what you did, and the only head that the AG will get when the facts are out is yours...

[green pride]

I am abviously a huge proponent for athletics but you guys should spend all your energy in saving your schools. You are front page news your mayors are telling the media they wont pass a school levy and asking for the resignation of the superintendent. Football, youth or high school should be secondary to education. Yappi is not going to solve your fight, let the lawyers battle it out and both sides play football. I am as quilty as everyone on here with my opinion and crap but this is getting nuts. Neither league is going to save your High School football team, your school district will have to make some tough choices and athletics might be one of them. I disagree with many of you on your choice but I totally know what you are going through and I hope this stops soon.

[SSpartans]

They never followed there constitution in electing a Director. Attorney General already ruled now is looking to go after someones head for falsifying goverment documents.

Why would you follow a league's constitution that you are leaving?? Or are you saying there is some kind of Springfield constitution??

[spartan71]

I am abviously a huge proponent for athletics but you guys should spend all your energy in saving your schools. You are front page news your mayors are telling the media they wont pass a school levy and asking for the resignation of the superintendent. Football, youth or high school should be secondary to education. Yappi is not going to solve your fight, let the lawyers battle it out and both sides play football. I am as quilty as everyone on here with my opinion and crap but this is getting nuts. Neither league is going to save your High School football team, your school district will have to make some tough choices and athletics might be one of them. I disagree with many of you on your choice but I totally know what you are going through and I hope this stops soon.
green pride we are not the ones voting against the levy these are seperate issues i hope it will stop soon also... the new suburban league in springfield has been donated equipment from Stow why are they trying to take ours still? can you explain that??? i can because they dont have the kids unless they squash us out period...

[Irish87]

So why don't both sides call off the Lawyers, work together on Equipment and Field issues and play Football? If both sides have equipment, lets get together split it up evenly, or best way possible, and play football. After all, each team will only play 4 Home games a piece anyways. Scheduling could be arranged to accomodate both Leagues.

Why not set an example for the School Administration and show them we can work together for a better community?

I'm with you PK. This is getting rediculous. Unfortunately, there is not much the citizens can do about the Schools, when the State is in control of them. We saw this coming years ago, but the community still decided to fail Levies. Now look where we are.

I am abviously a huge proponent for athletics but you guys should spend all your energy in saving your schools. You are front page news your mayors are telling the media they wont pass a school levy and asking for the resignation of the superintendent. Football, youth or high school should be secondary to education. Yappi is not going to solve your fight, let the lawyers battle it out and both sides play football. I am as quilty as everyone on here with my opinion and crap but this is getting nuts. Neither league is going to save your High School football team, your school district will have to make some tough choices and athletics might be one of them. I disagree with many of you on your choice but I totally know what you are going through and I hope this stops soon.

[nick9]

No No No read your constitution. You were still part of Suburban League and you constitution states your Director must be approved by Suburbal League Board, never done couldnt pass background check. Also look at your constitution it is part of your Articles of Incorporation so you cant be that entity because you never changed you articles. If you cant follow this ask any lawyer, why do you think your lawyer used a last ditch effort by misleading the courts. You dont have a legel leg to stand on.We also had Channel 3s Lawyers look at this going to be funny.we voted for our new director Ed Ellis in March per the contitution but when were you voted in? and by what board??? :shrug: i think i'm gonna file for Salvation Army's 501c3 when it expires and you can ring my bells for me..thats basically what you did, and the only head that the AG will get when the facts are out is yours...

[green pride]

I think that is a heck of an idea. Dont know if both sides could sit in the same room without killing each other. Good luck why dont you try to set this up?So why don't both sides call off the Lawyers, work together on Equipment and Field issues and play Football? If both sides have equipment, lets get together split it up evenly, or best way possible, and play football. After all, each team will only play 4 Home games a piece anyways. Scheduling could be arranged to accomodate both Leagues.

Why not set an example for the School Administration and show them we can work together for a better community?

I'm with you PK. This is getting rediculous. Unfortunately, there is not much the citizens can do about the Schools, when the State is in control of them. We saw this coming years ago, but the community still decided to fail Levies. Now look where we are.

[nick9]

Springfield Suburban Youth Football has their own constitution. You can view it by looking at State Attorney web site under Springfield Suburban Youth Football. You as a organization have to follow your own rules.Why would you follow a league's constitution that you are leaving?? Or are you saying there is some kind of Springfield constitution??

[nick9]

My mistake the constitution is under ohio sec of state go to search business and type Springfield Sububan Youth Football League. Go to business fillings then to change of purpose 2001. The constitution states the Director shall be voted on by the Springfield Board by 51% then must be approved by the Suburban League. This was never done. If you want to go another way go but dont go against your own constitution. Before you all coment on this read the constitution then find out legally you dont have a prayer. Springfield Suburban Youth Football has their own constitution. You can view it by looking at State Attorney web site under Springfield Suburban Youth Football. You as a organization have to follow your own rules.

[PantherVOR]

Wow, I accidentally entered this thread and I have to say what an embarrassing mess. All the adults involved in this whole thing should be ashamed of themselves. I really feel sorry for your kids!

[sriracha]

given the number of kids signed up for BYF does Springfield have enough kids to field teams for Suburban league as well?

[green pride]

We were told at the last Directors meeting that they did? Not sure been through this before and people boost their numbers. I cant see how you can have enough for two leagues. We were able to pull this off in Green but you guys have to have one league regardless who it is.given the number of kids signed up for BYF does Springfield have enough kids to field teams for Suburban league as well?

[Irish87]

My mistake the constitution is under ohio sec of state go to search business and type Springfield Sububan Youth Football League. Go to business fillings then to change of purpose 2001. The constitution states the Director shall be voted on by the Springfield Board by 51% then must be approved by the Suburban League. This was never done. If you want to go another way go but dont go against your own constitution. Before you all coment on this read the constitution then find out legally you dont have a prayer.

Nick,
was Hurland voted in as your so-called SSYF Director, by the Board, by a 51% majority?

[Irish87]

We were told at the last Directors meeting that they did? Not sure been through this before and people boost their numbers. I cant see how you can have enough for two leagues. We were able to pull this off in Green but you guys have to have one league regardless who it is.

PK,

no lie, BYF has over 200 Registered kids for their League. Many have come to us and switched their Registrations, from when they originally signed up back in January with Suburban. Now they have made the switch. I can honestly say BYF is over 200 kids. Can't speak for SSYF. I'd be interested to see if they are still using early sign up Registrations for kids, who have since made the switch to BYF.

[nick9]

Yes he was we have minutes of the meeting if you want to see.Our board was elected by the constitution. Nick,
was Hurland voted in as your so-called SSYF Director, by the Board, by a 51% majority?

[Irish87]

Yes he was we have minutes of the meeting if you want to see.Our board was elected by the constitution.

I would be interested in the names of these Board Members. Please send me a PM, if you wish not to use names on this Thread.

[nick9]

Lets not talk Cheerleaders. By the way we had over a dozen this weekend say they signed up for the wrong league. PK,

no lie, BYF has over 200 Registered kids for their League. Many have come to us and switched their Registrations, from when they originally signed up back in January with Suburban. Now they have made the switch. I can honestly say BYF is over 200 kids. Can't speak for SSYF. I'd be interested to see if they are still using early sign up Registrations for kids, who have since made the switch to BYF.

[sriracha]

Regardless of what procedures were/weren't followed it appears the majority of the youth football community (via signups/votes, etc.) wants to be part of the BYF. Why can't you give it a try for this year and see what happens. I assume if the league isn't better than the Suburban you could go back to the Suburban league next year?

You (Mr. Parker) remind me of the kid that takes his ball home when things don't go his way.

[spartan V]

Lets not talk Cheerleaders. By the way we had over a dozen this weekend say they signed up for the wrong league.

If that is even true, that's fine. The BYF group believes that the parents
and children of Springfield will make the best choice for their family and that each family will have to make a choice based on their families needs. I know you intended for this to be a dig, but unlike you we really do care about what's best for the kids. For us, it is not a contest to see how many more kids we can get then you, it is simply about giving the option for boys who can make weight with your group.

[Smashmouth#1]

Wow, this is getting ridiculous, I would agree. I think that people did plead and try to suggest that this was going to happen. Good Idea Irish, I think that cooler heads will prevail in this situation.


smash

P.S. Bluegill11, I am still waiting on your PM to tell me who you are.

[sriracha]

Smash -

The only reason there is a fracture in the community seems to be because the Suburban league representatives find it unbelievable that people want a choice. That being said I don't understand why the Suburban league is so up in arms about another league as long as all kids of the community are being served. Is it money? Is it egos? It's all about the kids, isn't it?

[spartan V]

If that is even true, that's fine. The BYF group believes that the parents
and children of Springfield will make the best choice for their family and that each family will have to make a choice based on their families needs. I know you intended for this to be a dig, but unlike you we really do care about what's best for the kids. For us, it is not a contest to see how many more kids we can get then you, it is simply about giving the option for boys who can make weight with your group.

Sorry I meant to say can't make weight

[Irish87]

Nick,
there are 80+ Cheerleaders and 130+ Football players, currently signed up for SYF-BYF. Just for clarification. If you don't believe, come on out to our Conditioning practice Monday and take a look for yourself.

If in fact that is true about those 12, good for them. I have no problem with that. If those parents feel Suburban is the better League for them, I'm happy for them. As long we are reaching out to every child in the Community to give them the chance to play football, I'm happy.
Lets not talk Cheerleaders. By the way we had over a dozen this weekend say they signed up for the wrong league.

[bass10]

Wow, this is getting ridiculous, I would agree. I think that people did plead and try to suggest that this was going to happen. Good Idea Irish, I think that cooler heads will prevail in this situation.


smash

P.S. Bluegill11, I am still waiting on your PM to tell me who you are.

LargeMouth20,
I can take all your sarcasm and what you believe is quick wit, however to pull my boys into this (by giving my name) I'd definitely have issues with and by your cockiness, I know this would happen. Once again, I can take whatever BS you want to throw my way. Another note, after finding out your identity, I was antagonizing and having as much fun as u but I thought you were someone else (someone as cocky and full of themself like you) so since finding out it wasn't them, it won't be as much fun anymore, you have absolutely NO idea who I am as I didn't of you so it really wouldn't matter. We could be standing next to each other and wouldn't even know it, so that becomes a mute point.

[spartan71]

No No No read your constitution. You were still part of Suburban League and you constitution states your Director must be approved by Suburbal League Board, never done couldnt pass background check. Also look at your constitution it is part of your Articles of Incorporation so you cant be that entity because you never changed you articles. If you cant follow this ask any lawyer, why do you think your lawyer used a last ditch effort by misleading the courts. You dont have a legel leg to stand on.We also had Channel 3s Lawyers look at this going to be funny.
there is nothing funny about any of this... your trying to hold a whole community back with your ego trip...

[Smashmouth#1]

LargeMouth20,
I can take all your sarcasm and what you believe is quick wit, however to pull my boys into this (by giving my name) I'd definitely have issues with and by your cockiness, I know this would happen. Once again, I can take whatever BS you want to throw my way. Another note, after finding out your identity, I was antagonizing and having as much fun as u but I thought you were someone else (someone as cocky and full of themself like you) so since finding out it wasn't them, it won't be as much fun anymore, you have absolutely NO idea who I am as I didn't of you so it really wouldn't matter. We could be standing next to each other and wouldn't even know it, so that becomes a mute point.

Anchovie23,
Yea, you're right, I don't know who you are, and you don't have the balls to speak up about it and tell anyone who you are. That's the way I see it. Safer to hide behind a screenname right? The fact that you know who I am, that's great. You didn't have to go very far to find out I'm sure. As a matter of fact, it's probably better that you do; so then you do realize that I do what I say I am going to do and have integrity.

Don't mistake confidence for cockiness and being full of themselves. Secondly the comment about "your boys" is just plain old BS. If I have an issue with a parent, it in NO way reflects on the child or children. I have had a personal issue with a parent or two in the past, but I also make it a point to NOT carry that down to the child. That's just wrong on so many levels, and I've seen it done to kids, and it's VERY classless. It's very obvious that you may know who I am, but know nothing about me.

The fact that we could be standing next to one another and I wouldn't even know that it was you just again proves what type of individual that you truely are. would rather hide behind a screen name instead of being an upfront and open individual. I hope "your boys" don't pick up that attribute from Dad. That's fine though, there are plenty of fake, politically motivated people in this town; one more doesn't hurt.

[thepolster]

Smash take your beef with bass to the dark side. We have grown up over here today.

[bass10]

[QUOTE=Smashmouth#1;3172856]Anchovie23,
Yea, you're right, I don't know who you are, and you don't have the balls to speak up about it and tell anyone who you are. That's the way I see it. Safer to hide behind a screenname right? The fact that you know who I am, that's great. You didn't have to go very far to find out I'm sure. As a matter of fact, it's probably better that you do; so then you do realize that I do what I say I am going to do and have integrity.

Don't mistake confidence for cockiness and being full of themselves. Secondly the comment about "your boys" is just plain old BS. If I have an issue with a parent, it in NO way reflects on the child or children. I have had a personal issue with a parent or two in the past, but I also make it a point to NOT carry that down to the child. That's just wrong on so many levels, and I've seen it done to kids, and it's VERY classless. It's very obvious that you may know who I am, but know nothing about me.

The fact that we could be standing next to one another and I wouldn't even know that it was you just again proves what type of individual that you truely are. would rather hide behind a screen name instead of being an upfront and open individual. I hope "your boys" don't pick up that attribute from Dad. That's fine though, there are plenty of fake, politically motivated people in this town; one more doesn't hurt.[/QUOT

Bigmouth, usual blah, blah, blah, is your name Smashmouth? if not I believe your "hiding" behind a screen name?? Oh thats right whats good for the goose etc. I said it before its not as much fun now that I thought I was dealing with a different idiot, for all I know I may actually like you if I met you. Just by coming on here and saying to yourself time and again that you do what you say your going to do and that you have integrity doesn't mean u do (except in your own little world) I've never read anyone backing it and you've mentioned it about 5 times? Also says alot about gyf having you as a president and your posts on here! Politicaly motivated? I'd love to know how I'm that? Just more ignorance spewing out. And for the record I hope my boys follow every trait I have. If you can set up a cage match somewhere let me know.
See ya on Tallmadges posts.

[Ragemaker]

Yes he was we have minutes of the meeting if you want to see.Our board was elected by the constitution.

So a piece of paper elected your director... community reps (board members) elected ours.

[bass10]

Smash take your beef with bass to the dark side. We have grown up over here today.

Sorry polster, this guys a piece of work, he wasn't even around when the Green split was made but somehow knows alot about how the old GYF was ran. Can't wait to meet you when Green plays Springfield and I'll "try" hard to stay off your site.

[thepolster]

Sorry polster, this guys a piece of work, he wasn't even around when the Green split was made but somehow knows alot about how the old GYF was ran. Can't wait to meet you when Green plays Springfield and I'll "try" hard to stay off your site.
Dude I was being sarcastic. This type of stuff makes Yappi what it is today. Please with all my heart dont leave, stay awhile.

Jason loves to talk dirty here all the time.

[Smashmouth#1]

Bass10,

since your first post you have done nothing but attack post after post bs after BS. I simply responded to your lame attacks on me or my organization.

I am not hiding behind a screenname, as I have stated, people know who I am. People like you make excuses, people like me make things happen. simple difference. You did you research and found out who I am, though you choose to again be a coward and hide in the shadows. Do a little more research and actually find out what type of individual I am because I assure you, you have no idea.

I wasn't here when the leagues split, what a revelation, I've stated that SEVERAL times. Although, I did more than most, I actually investigated why the leagues split, what a concept. I didn't just listen to what PK said either, I did my own research, check out prior posts of mine for the specifics. I did the research and I chose the league that I felt was the more appropriate for my values and morals. The more that things shake out, the more I am confirmed in my initial reactions.

I got involved in the Youth Program for one reason,the betterment of the youth and the community through sport. I stay involved to this day for that reason. I got on this site to interact with others within my community and others and discuss football, community and I also have discussed current events and politics in those forums. Every comment that I have posted on this site may not be my best but I stand behind them, I said them.

As far as all your comments go, you continue to prove your ignorance and bias toward Green Youth Football. That is your loss for not knowning this organization. I will continue to defend myself and my organization, because I believe in it, and I am sure you will attempt to spread rumors, lies and out and out BS about it. That's the way it is, it is a free country.

As far as for you personally, I feel bad for you that you talk a good game, but don't follow it up. You don't use facts in your arguements, everyone that disagrees is simply an idiot. I'm sure that you miss the true benefits of competition as well. One day, I hope that you look back and realize the truth, even if you only admit it to yourself; that's fine, because holding all that frustration, negativity, and pent up hostility toward people and things are just plain unhealthy.

Jason Broz
Green Youth Football
Booster Club President

[sriracha]

Jason -

First of all I congratulate you on the fact you identify yourself behind your screen name. So we know who you are and what organization you support.

I have 2 nephews (one in Green and one in Springfield) that are involved in these leagues (it's not important which ones for the sake of this discussion).

What's most interesting in these discussions are the words "facts" and "truth" in support of your league (see Tallmadge thread in your response to a first time poster speaking "the truth" where he cleary stated "I heard"). I'm concerned you're blinded by "facts" and "truth" when they only support your position.

For now the people involved in former SYF orgs. that have joined BYF have made a choice. Quit bad mouthing their choice and let things play out. They can decide for themselves if they made the right decision after this year. There's no need to keep this up with the season less than 2 weeks away.

[Smashmouth#1]

Jason -

First of all I congratulate you on the fact you identify yourself behind your screen name. So we know who you are and what organization you support.

I have 2 nephews (one in Green and one in Springfield) that are involved in these leagues (it's not important which ones for the sake of this discussion).

What's most interesting in these discussions are the words "facts" and "truth" in support of your league (see Tallmadge thread in your response to a first time poster speaking "the truth" where he cleary stated "I heard"). I'm concerned you're blinded by "facts" and "truth" when they only support your position.

For now the people involved in former SYF orgs. that have joined BYF have made a choice. Quit bad mouthing their choice and let things play out. They can decide for themselves if they made the right decision after this year. There's no need to keep this up with the season less than 2 weeks away.


If you couldn't tell before, and it's no shock, many people on here know who I am and where I stand and how I am related.

Actually, read the post, I'll explain it for you. The picture is being painted that all is rosy and everyone is standing in Tallmadge circle holding hands and singing Kumbaya. Things arent that way. Someone finally said so, that's what I meant.
If I speculate, I state that. and I don't state things on here unless I have proof, so yes, they are facts and truthful. there is enough falsifying going on around here, I try to stay factual with things as I know them. That's what it meant. sorry if you took it a different way.
As I stated before, not every post that I have had on here is my best, show me where I badmouthed someone for choosing one over the other. Specific examples, not a blanket statement like you gave in your last post.

[green1965champs]

If you couldn't tell before, and it's no shock, many people on here know who I am and where I stand and how I am related.

Actually, read the post, I'll explain it for you. The picture is being painted that all is rosy and everyone is standing in Tallmadge circle holding hands and singing Kumbaya. Things arent that way. Someone finally said so, that's what I meant.
If I speculate, I state that. and I don't state things on here unless I have proof, so yes, they are facts and truthful. there is enough falsifying going on around here, I try to stay factual with things as I know them. That's what it meant. sorry if you took it a different way.
As I stated before, not every post that I have had on here is my best, show me where I badmouthed someone for choosing one over the other. Specific examples, not a blanket statement like you gave in your last post.Cmon now smash, the only reason your name got out on here is when you went to the syf meeting bragging hey I`m smash. Not knowing people that you told are the same ones you insulted day after day on here. Morals please, times have changed and you stayed with gyf because no one else wanted you. I will be down at the new field today. I would love to introduce everyone to the great smash. The uniter not the divider

[Smashmouth#1]

Cmon now smash, the only reason your name got out on here is when you went to the syf meeting bragging hey I`m smash. Not knowing people that you told are the same ones you insulted day after day on here. Morals please, times have changed and you stayed with gyf because no one else wanted you. I will be down at the new field today. I would love to introduce everyone to the great smash. The uniter not the divider

Now you are exaggerating a bit there. I introduced myself as me, and a certain individual said something similar to "so you are Smash". That was one individual in particular (Spartan71). I wouldn't call that bragging, responding to a direct question, one time, at an SYF meeting, from one individual, and it was outside, in the parking lot, after the meeting.

Since you have it all figured out, how do you explain how say, Irish knows who I am, or GRPride, or Polster, or Seminoles22, or the Bank. Let me answer it for you, it's because I have told them.

I love how you say that I insult and blah blah......show me where I have insulted one of those guys. No blanket statements, again, specifics.

GRPride and I have always gotten along, nor have polster and I, and you, welll whatever. I actually have a lot of respect for Irish and Spartan71. Nice try. The main difference is, as with bass10 and yourself, is that I stand behind what I say and I don't hide behind screennames.

[green1965champs]

Now you are exaggerating a bit there. I introduced myself as me, and a certain individual said something similar to "so you are Smash". That was one individual in particular (Spartan71). I wouldn't call that bragging, responding to a direct question, one time, at an SYF meeting, from one individual, and it was outside, in the parking lot, after the meeting.

Since you have it all figured out, how do you explain how say, Irish knows who I am, or GRPride, or Polster, or Seminoles22, or the Bank. Let me answer it for you, it's because I have told them.

I love how you say that I insult and blah blah......show me where I have insulted one of those guys. No blanket statements, again, specifics.

GRPride and I have always gotten along, nor have polster and I, and you, welll whatever. I actually have a lot of respect for Irish and Spartan71. Nice try. The main difference is, as with bass10 and yourself, is that I stand behind what I say and I don't hide behind screennames. I am not hiding. I just dont see why you say you told everyone who you are. Polster did tell me a while back you you were. You claim you take the high road but continue to spew your hatred for anything but gyf football. If your the so called prez then show it. Quit patronizing the byf league making them beneath you. We can easily go back to your post and bring back memories.

[Irish87]

Gentlemen,
lets move on. This is getting old going back and forth with the accusations and finger pointing. We all are passionate about what League we believe is right. If we were'nt I don't think we would be on here defending it. This Thred has run its course and I wish somebody would lock it up. Its time to move on. The season starts in 2 days. Lets all focus on our kids to make this a memorable year for all. Before we all know it, our kids will be grown up and into H.S. and we will missed out on all the fun.

Good luck to all!

[Smashmouth#1]

I am not hiding. I just dont see why you say you told everyone who you are. Polster did tell me a while back you you were. You claim you take the high road but continue to spew your hatred for anything but gyf football. If your the so called prez then show it. Quit patronizing the byf league making them beneath you. We can easily go back to your post and bring back memories.

You aren't hiding? yea, ok. I told everyone who I am? Many already knew, and it's because I stand behind what I say, and I am not a don't stand in the shadows so others cannot see my face, as some do. Not that you would know anything about that.

I spew hatred?? there was once, I got heated and called you a worm or something, that was it, then I thought better of it. Yep, I said, I stand behind it, period.

I have many friends in that league, I also coach and am pretty good friends with a guy that has kids in BOTH leagues, and we have discussed that in detail. But I patronize that other league, whatever you say. I don't hold any resentment for the other league, what people do and when they attack my league is when I have an issue.
Another point, why then, were we for having one youth nite at the field, not 2? We brought it to the AD in the spring.

I told you in my last post to site specific examples, so do it, if you can't then you are just blowing hot air.

[green pride]

Dude you are a coward I called you out at least 4 times with no response. I told you before I will met you anywhere to discuss things but you wont and you wont tell any one your name because you are a wuss. Smash is so much more of a man than you are, you again are a coward.I am not hiding. I just dont see why you say you told everyone who you are. Polster did tell me a while back you you were. You claim you take the high road but continue to spew your hatred for anything but gyf football. If your the so called prez then show it. Quit patronizing the byf league making them beneath you. We can easily go back to your post and bring back memories.

[Buckeye29]

You folks are just too much. I've been quietly following along for a bit now, just to see what all the fuss was about and I realy cant beleive what I am reading. You guys all act like you are all upset, like on a soap opera or somethin.
Stole from the kids, come to think of it, did your director put all of the equipment into his basement. I think I read that somewheres on here. isn't that stealing from the kids? Kids cant play tackle football without equipment can they?
Sounds like the ones that are really gonna be mad are all the cheer moms that can't have their nachos, 3 candy bars, twizlers and Diet Coke for dinner each day, with junor eating 12 hot dogs in between sprints. she might actually have to cook a meal.

You guys should be just fine. Isn't BYF the bring your own food league? I read that somewheres on here too.

If I were you I would stick to just reading these post because when you start typing you sound really dumb.

[Buckeye29]

I have one thing to say, if all the Green guys want to keep coming on our forum and stirring the pot I vow to make an all out assault on the Green forum. I don't think any of you "Bulldogs" want that do you?

The banana will dance again!
:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:

[bass10]

Sorry I was busy guys I'm sure I was missed. Just disputed some of your "facts" in past posts.
I think thats great u did your research and chose leagues, I had no choice in Green before BYF it would have been soccer or football in Jackson. You say GYF has better values and morals, well there's approx. +- 170 boys signed up (fact) for BYF in only BYFL 4th year. Thats alot of well educated people in "your" community with bad morals and were lied to and make bad decisions for their kids???
You got on this site to interact with your community & talk sports,,Hellooooo this is Springfields site!
You state you don't hold any resentment towards BYF, WOW, you sure fooled me (but me and a large part of the community are ignorant)
Why is name calling OK for you but you mention its low when I do it?
I think that your a big man for signing your name finally, what 3-4 months AFTER I found out who you are, please, I had no idea and didn't care, I have no idea who 95% of the people on here are, its a forum with screen names not your own.
And lastly, when someone has integrity and are a man of their word, its just that. You don't get to have integrity by stating it over and over and over again on a forum. Its given to you by other people and by your actions, a high regard from others. So just by stating on here (about 6-8 times) that you're a man of your word and have integrity, doesn't meen you do! JMO.
signed with all my heart, sardine9

[Smashmouth#1]

Sorry I was busy guys I'm sure I was missed. Just disputed some of your "facts" in past posts.
I think thats great u did your research and chose leagues, I had no choice in Green before BYF it would have been soccer or football in Jackson. You say GYF has better values and morals, well there's approx. +- 170 boys signed up (fact) for BYF in only BYFL 4th year. Thats alot of well educated people in "your" community with bad morals and were lied to and make bad decisions for their kids???
You got on this site to interact with your community & talk sports,,Hellooooo this is Springfields site!
You state you don't hold any resentment towards BYF, WOW, you sure fooled me (but me and a large part of the community are ignorant)
Why is name calling OK for you but you mention its low when I do it?
I think that your a big man for signing your name finally, what 3-4 months AFTER I found out who you are, please, I had no idea and didn't care, I have no idea who 95% of the people on here are, its a forum with screen names not your own.
And lastly, when someone has integrity and are a man of their word, its just that. You don't get to have integrity by stating it over and over and over again on a forum. Its given to you by other people and by your actions, a high regard from others. So just by stating on here (about 6-8 times) that you're a man of your word and have integrity, doesn't meen you do! JMO.
signed with all my heart, sardine9

Re-read what I said about BYF as a league slowly, maybe you'll understand it. I don't hold any resentment for the league, it's when people attack me or my organization with a bunch of BS that I respond. YOU have done so for months, from your first post, I responded. So whatever.

I'm glad that you found out who I am, no deal to me, once again, I know it's a hard concept for you to grasp, but I stand behind what I say. Period.

Anyone that makes up lame, unfounded excuses like "no ones ever asked" or "my kids will be treated unfairly" IS a coward and doesn't want anyone to know how he truely thinks because he most likely just tells people what they want to hear. The ends justifies the means, doesn't it?? JMO

**FYI- the answer to the last question is no.

It is obvious that you don't know me, try to tear me down as an individual if you choose; my actions and what I do for the betterment of the boys and girls in this community speak louder than any words even could.

I have a season to that starts tomorrow, I'm done with your BS on this board. If you would like to discuss our differences over an adult soda, I'm open for that. We can figure out a time and a place.

[SPARTAN HOPE]

Does everyone call the police in Springfield? Jeesh:help: You guys made the decision to split and Mr Parker made the decision to stay so why should he be blamed for doing what came natural?

First of all it is illegal to do what most of us really want to do, which is to roll up to the tan hut and open a big can of &*%$#. The high road is to let people know just how wrong all of this really is. To say that it is natural for Mr Parker to steal from this community-I do believe this is the only true statement that you have made. He will pay for what he did eventually, it will definately be a loss in business...will the end justify the means? I dont think so.

[thepolster]

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[greendad]

you guys can all argue for ever thats okay, but its useless.

the bottom line is that gyf will be no more. maybe not for a few years but the killing shot was/is the WEIGHT LIMIT, plain and simple

the gyf was/is fine if you can make the WEIGHT LIMIT.

byf has no WEIGHT LIMIT which makes them BETTER

PERIOD.........

[Buckeye29]

Hey Irish,
Saw you on Fox 8 news yesterday. I'm glad the news is giving this some coverage. The only thing I didn't like is that they refered to BYF as the "new" league. I don't understand why people don't get it. Springfield Youth Football is still the same organization that has been in Springfield for decades, they just chose to switch leagues. It's really simple. I also think it's terrible that certain people are hurting the kids for their own agendas. What I find really funny is the fact that you have 200+ kids that are playing that need things from sporting goods stores, and the one sporting goods store in Springfield seems to be anti-kid. Think of all the lost business because of his attitude. Oh well, I guess his lost is Pronio's gain. At least they like kids over there. I urge everyone in Springfield to support Pronio's, they will take care of you.

Sorry if I was rambling Irish, this whole thing just frosts my arse. Keep up the good work!

[Irish87]

Thanx Buckeye.
Just to let you know, we did not initiate this story with Fox 8. We were contacted by the Station, to give our side of things, after they had already talked to the other League. We are not looking to get the Media involved any more. Since the Concession Stand items were discovered, we were not anticipating going to the media for any more exposure. This matter is a Springfield matter and needs to be worked out within our community and its Organizations. The BYF League continues to have to defend ourselves from Lawsuits and Media exposure. Here we are one week into the Season and this crap is still going on. Football sign ups are at an all time high with 149 football players and 87Cheerleaders Registered for BYF.

Buckeye, can you remember the last time Springfield had this many football players?

[green pride]

Why do you want us gone green dad. We have more kids than we ever had why do you want us gone. Not everyone believes in your league that should be ok why is that a problem. Let go of the hate Green Dad GYF is going nowhere our league is stronger than ever, did you see the City Council meeting when they honored GYF and made a resolution about us? I hope you guys are around for a long time because 600 kids is to much for any league. you guys can all argue for ever thats okay, but its useless.

the bottom line is that gyf will be no more. maybe not for a few years but the killing shot was/is the WEIGHT LIMIT, plain and simple

the gyf was/is fine if you can make the WEIGHT LIMIT.

byf has no WEIGHT LIMIT which makes them BETTER

PERIOD.........

[Buckeye29]

You're right Irish, 149 fooyball players is great. I'm not sure how the BYF is structured as far as A, B, JV, etc. but in the past that would of meant about 29-30 kids per team. I don't ever remember those kind of numbers in Springfield. I remember coaching a C-team back in '87 that had 15 kids on it (that was our only C-team back then) and one of my boys played against a Springfield C-team last year that had 12 kids, so those are great numbers. I've talked to a couple of the boys on the team and they seem to really like the new league so far. Just keep doing what you're doing, once a certain store goes under from lack of community support he'll move on and find some other organization to mess with.

[CIA]

You're right Irish, 149 fooyball players is great. I'm not sure how the BYF is structured as far as A, B, JV, etc. but in the past that would of meant about 29-30 kids per team. I don't ever remember those kind of numbers in Springfield. I remember coaching a C-team back in '87 that had 15 kids on it (that was our only C-team back then) and one of my boys played against a Springfield C-team last year that had 12 kids, so those are great numbers. I've talked to a couple of the boys on the team and they seem to really like the new league so far. Just keep doing what you're doing, once a certain store goes under from lack of community support he'll move on and find some other organization to mess with. Way to put it. I totally agree Buckeye. You went to Springfield didn't you?

[Buckeye29]

Way to put it. I totally agree Buckeye. You went to Springfield didn't you?

Yes, I did go to Springfield back in the 80's. I don't live there now though due to divorce. I will always be a Spartan though. It just kills me to see all the good people out there that really want to help the kids in the community be hindered by a few people that have their own personal agendas. These "NEW" suburban guys should be ashamed of themselves! Think of the kids before yourselves for once and back off!

[brownandorange]

Hey Irish,
Saw you on Fox 8 news yesterday. I'm glad the news is giving this some coverage. The only thing I didn't like is that they refered to BYF as the "new" league. I don't understand why people don't get it. Springfield Youth Football is still the same organization that has been in Springfield for decades, they just chose to switch leagues. It's really simple. I also think it's terrible that certain people are hurting the kids for their own agendas. What I find really funny is the fact that you have 200+ kids that are playing that need things from sporting goods stores, and the one sporting goods store in Springfield seems to be anti-kid. Think of all the lost business because of his attitude. Oh well, I guess his lost is Pronio's gain. At least they like kids over there. I urge everyone in Springfield to support Pronio's, they will take care of you.

Sorry if I was rambling Irish, this whole thing just frosts my arse. Keep up the good work!

I guarantee Pronio's will take care of you. Joe has been a friend of mine for a long time and over the years I have witnessed him give away litterally hundreds of dollars worth the merchandise to kids that come in and don't have the money for a mouthpiece, pair of sox or whatever. If there was ever a man that was about the kids it's Joe Pronio.

[greendad]

There is no hate green pride, i assure you that. like i said in my post, gyf is fine IF you can make weight. what i hate is simply the weight limits. i've talked to some of the boys that came from gyf that truly didnt have the weight to lose, but did it any way to be able to play. I just dont think its right or good for them. thats not even mentioning some of the big, and yes somewhat overweight boys that are very strong and can move pretty darn good that wouldnt have a chance to play at all in the old days. Its these big boys that im refering to that you will see playing big powerhouse HS lineman in the near future, that wouldnt otherwise be playing if there were no black stripe leagues.

theres no hate. im just tired of the bickering. let the cards fall where they may.

[green pride]

I agree with you on kids losing weight. I would like to see a new structure were all kids 6th grade down be unlimited and 7th and 8th have weight limit so the smaller kids get a chance to compete. What do you think of this idea.I think we have made huge strides in the community working together, it is hard for people like us that were there during the split but I think we are working through it. There is no hate green pride, i assure you that. like i said in my post, gyf is fine IF you can make weight. what i hate is simply the weight limits. i've talked to some of the boys that came from gyf that truly didnt have the weight to lose, but did it any way to be able to play. I just dont think its right or good for them. thats not even mentioning some of the big, and yes somewhat overweight boys that are very strong and can move pretty darn good that wouldnt have a chance to play at all in the old days. Its these big boys that im refering to that you will see playing big powerhouse HS lineman in the near future, that wouldnt otherwise be playing if there were no black stripe leagues.

theres no hate. im just tired of the bickering. let the cards fall where they may.

[Irish87]

I heard a van pulled up in front of Spring Hill and dropped off 9 - 10 kids for practice. And from what I heard, they were definately not kids from Springfield.

[Ragemaker]

I'm sure all the integrity behind the SYF will take care of it. Or maybe they can try to sue themselfs... Maybe even find their home youth programs field and take their concessions contents. After all I think they take claim to the whole summit county area.

[thepolster]

Just got confirmation Akron annexed Springhill. Its now called MLK Hill. It was announced in the reparations bill passed by congress.
Wildcat turn your inbox on.

[Irish87]

OMG! We also have ultimate fighting up at springhill. The new organization has really showed us what syf can do. Great job guys!!!!!!!


What do you mean by your statement above?

[Panther123]

If what you are saying is true that is a joke. The league does not need a bunch of hoodlems running around in the league. Say what you want Syf has been a overall good league. This is why teams from Wadsworth league are intersted in coming to syf as well as at least one team from the byf league. Syf will be here for a long time, not everyone is on the large side. If the current Springfield team has these kinds of issues get them out. I also want to Clarify my issue with the Polster. No guy with his background should speak on behalf children. I will oppose him on everything he speaks. Google his name and read the blogs that he has participated in on his issues. You guys refer to the issues currently going on.

[Yappi]

I agree with you on kids losing weight. I would like to see a new structure were all kids 6th grade down be unlimited and 7th and 8th have weight limit so the smaller kids get a chance to compete. What do you think of this idea.I think we have made huge strides in the community working together, it is hard for people like us that were there during the split but I think we are working through it.

If you are looking for opnions from others, I will say that I think this idea is a very bad one. The fear about weight issues is even bigger at the younger ages.

I've suggested this before and it's gone on deaf ears (and blind eyes):

Use the weight/growth charts from the US government and come up with a maximum weight for each age group (suggestion 95th percentile). If a kid is over that weight, he automatically moves up to the next age group and is eligible. Quick example:

Age Max Weight
7 70 pounds
8 80 pounds
9 90 pounds
10 102 pounds
11 115 pounds
12 130 pounds
13 145 pounds
14 160 pounds


In this example, a 105 pound 7 year old would play with 8 year olds. A 131 pound 12 year old would play with 13 year olds. A 165 pound 13 year old would play with 14 year olds. A 165 pound 14 year old would be ineligible (and should play for the middle school).

This would make this a de facto unlimited weight league but you would also not be putting the biggest kids up against their own age group out of safety concern to the rest of the kids. You also wouldn't be moving kids up two or three age groups where the kid has absolutely no chance of playing.

[Panther123]

will not surrive in any district where there is middle school programs. With the new proposals with weight coming down in Syf. Byf will be left with Linemen and the larger kids. You guys do have weight restriction on your positions. Your skilled positions are only allowed to way a certain weight. Most parents are going to allow there kids to play in a league, where they can compete against kids there own size. The bigger ones have no choice and that is where you and middle school programs. Lets be honest here byf is a rec league and the old Syf teams will prove that this year as you guys play your games.

[Irish87]

Panther,

record sign ups in Springfield BYF. I'd say its working thus far. And why now, is SYF looking to raise their weight limits so drastically? Last year, Springfield was told that SYF was going unlimited with the younger groups and rasing the limits much higher than voted on. That didn't happen so we pursued other options. I'd say SYF is not opposed to some of the Rules in BYF, as much as everyone thinks.

[thepolster]

Panther,

record sign ups in Springfield BYF. I'd say its working thus far. And why now, is SYF looking to raise their weight limits so drastically? Last year, Springfield was told that SYF was going unlimited with the younger groups and rasing the limits much higher than voted on. That didn't happen so we pursued other options. I'd say SYF is not opposed to some of the Rules in BYF, as much as everyone thinks.
Was that the high school head coach that came and watched your practice last night?

[Irish87]

Yes,
he made a visit and walked around to all the Teams to offer any assistance he could. It was nice to see him down there showing his face to the kids and parents.

[thepolster]

Has there been any other time you can remember a high school head coach offered his help?

[Irish87]

There have be a few coaches who have offered early on in the season. Murphy was pretty good about showing his face every now and again. Mazur would offer early in the season by putting on the Youth Camp, but then got into his season and you wouldn't hear from him to often after.

[thepolster]

There have be a few coaches who have offered early on in the season. Murphy was pretty good about showing his face every now and again. Mazur would offer early in the season by putting on the Youth Camp, but then got into his season and you wouldn't hear from him to often after.
I think Vaughn will be different. Being the head coach and AD takes allot.

Has the high school helped out equipment wise? If so,why? Doug says the Jr. high will see numbers pick up drastically in these next few weeks,.

[green1965champs]

I think Vaughn will be different. Being the head coach and AD takes allot.

Has the high school helped out equipment wise? If so,why? Doug says the Jr. high will see numbers pick up drastically in these next few weeks,.I will tell you why, numbers speak louder than words!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Smashmouth#1]

Panther,

record sign ups in Springfield BYF. I'd say its working thus far. And why now, is SYF looking to raise their weight limits so drastically? Last year, Springfield was told that SYF was going unlimited with the younger groups and rasing the limits much higher than voted on. That didn't happen so we pursued other options. I'd say SYF is not opposed to some of the Rules in BYF, as much as everyone thinks.

Irish,

This isn't the first time that this has been proposed. There is no sudden change in position, at least in GP's position.(or in Yappi's either, still wanting to lower the weight limits)

I should let GP answer but, I want to say that the directors that left were the biggest whiners about the weight limits, or at least one director.

[Irish87]

Understood Smash.
I guess my point is, there have been posts by SYF supporters in the past, trying to make a point about a larger player hurting a smaller player. Comments like these would be more pot stirrers than anything then, correct?

Is SYF also looking to have the two game format as well? We at Springfield, are really going to take advantage of this, in order to develope some players, that sometimes take longer to come around, and/or may not get enough game situation time, to sharpen their skills or become more comfortable with the game.

[Smashmouth#1]

Understood Smash.
I guess my point is, there have been posts by SYF supporters in the past, trying to make a point about a larger player hurting a smaller player. Comments like these would be more pot stirrers than anything then, correct?

Is SYF also looking to have the two game format as well? We at Springfield, are really going to take advantage of this, in order to develope some players, that sometimes take longer to come around, and/or may not get enough game situation time, to sharpen their skills or become more comfortable with the game.

I wouldn't call them pot stirrers. That's their opinion. Just as BYF is what's best for your community is your opinion. (not being argumentative, just an example), There has always been a two TEAM format when there are enough players and the talent is split as equally as we can with allowing for coaching and parent preference.

IMO, the varsity vs JV structure is inferior to a true split of talent. It is well known in Green that the Varsity is "stacked" (exact word used by a BYF coach) and the JV is what's left. I am not going to debate this point, I am going off what I have heard directly from coaches, parents and players, and indirectly from similar sources. I know it's presented differently and spun differently on the website but I am just stating what I have heard several times. As far as "allowing the kids to sharpen skills"....that depends on each kid. Very few in my time need a lot of coddling so outright competition and presenting them with tough challenges is the way to build self confidence and sharpen skills. This isn't worded the best but I think that you can understand my point here.

[green1965champs]

I wouldn't call them pot stirrers. That's their opinion. Just as BYF is what's best for your community is your opinion. (not being argumentative, just an example), There has always been a two TEAM format when there are enough players and the talent is split as equally as we can with allowing for coaching and parent preference.

IMO, the varsity vs JV structure is inferior to a true split of talent. It is well known in Green that the Varsity is "stacked" (exact word used by a BYF coach) and the JV is what's left. I am not going to debate this point, I am going off what I have heard directly from coaches, parents and players, and indirectly from similar sources. I know it's presented differently and spun differently on the website but I am just stating what I have heard several times. As far as "allowing the kids to sharpen skills"....that depends on each kid. Very few in my time need a lot of coddling so outright competition and presenting them with tough challenges is the way to build self confidence and sharpen skills. This isn't worded the best but I think that you can understand my point here.
Yea the a squad is stacked. We don't split teams evenly until we hit the 47 mark. Then we have a draft and split the teams into two. Please go to our website and get familiar. You know as well as I do Suburban youth is heading into the Buckeye format. What is GP trying to accomplish?

[Yappi]

I think in theory the Varsity/JV system looks like a good idea. Going to have to wait a few more weeks to see if it truly is a good system. The problem with Suburban Youth last season was that some teams stacked one team, others played their stars all the time while the subs played sparingly, or a team played everyone a significant amount of time. I know there was one team last season that had 14 players and two of them didn't see the field until the 2nd half.

As to the drafting, is that really a BYF rule or just a suggestion? How is the draft supposed to work? Do you seperate players by position before drafting? Do you have a couple practices and then draft?

[greendad]

I think in theory the Varsity/JV system looks like a good idea. Going to have to wait a few more weeks to see if it truly is a good system. The problem with Suburban Youth last season was that some teams stacked one team, others played their stars all the time while the subs played sparingly, or a team played everyone a significant amount of time. I know there was one team last season that had 14 players and two of them didn't see the field until the 2nd half.

As to the drafting, is that really a BYF rule or just a suggestion? How is the draft supposed to work? Do you seperate players by position before drafting? Do you have a couple practices and then draft?

No need to wait. the varsity/JV system DOES work, and well. I was there for two yrs. and there was no stacking or any other BS. the best players played the whole varsity game and the least experianced/younger players played the whole JV game.

[green1965champs]

I think in theory the Varsity/JV system looks like a good idea. Going to have to wait a few more weeks to see if it truly is a good system. The problem with Suburban Youth last season was that some teams stacked one team, others played their stars all the time while the subs played sparingly, or a team played everyone a significant amount of time. I know there was one team last season that had 14 players and two of them didn't see the field until the 2nd half.

As to the drafting, is that really a BYF rule or just a suggestion? How is the draft supposed to work? Do you seperate players by position before drafting? Do you have a couple practices and then draft?

It is a rule not a suggestion. Your coaches need to know the kids before they have the draft. Id say its like a backyard pick who you want on your team. If your caught stacking you will lose your wins. If you get caught cheating for example, you will not be put on probation. Your team will be asked to leave byf.

[Smashmouth#1]

Yea the a squad is stacked. We don't split teams evenly until we hit the 47 mark. Then we have a draft and split the teams into two. Please go to our website and get familiar. You know as well as I do Suburban youth is heading into the Buckeye format. What is GP trying to accomplish?

It is a rule not a suggestion. Your coaches need to know the kids before they have the draft. Id say its like a backyard pick who you want on your team. If your caught stacking you will lose your wins. If you get caught cheating for example, you will not be put on probation. Your team will be asked to leave byf.

First off, which is iT? Do you stack your teams or not?? You just admitted that you did, and now you are saying that it's a rule that you cannot. HMMMMMMM.......and I was referring to B and C squads, not the A squad.

Hey, check your own site........ I pulled this for you......answer this....What is the point of stacking a team if not to win???



Equally talented and divided teams and squads – we do not stack teams with the best players and cheerleaders, but rather divide the talent equally to ensure a competitive spirit.
In-House Flag Program – teams are limited in number of players so everyone gets to play. We only play other Green teams so no travel is needed at this young age.
Building character – our philosophy has always been to develop the skill set of our participants rather than a “win at all cost” approach

See, it's not a "win at all costs" approach, so why stack a team?????

And for the record, SYF is not adopting the BYF format. Interesting theory.

[Irish87]

Smash,

its not a matter of stacking teams. Each team is organized by Grades(3&4, 5&6 and 7). At that point, you put together a Varsity and a JV team for each level. The better and more experienced players will play in the Varsity game, and then right after, the JV game is played. The JV game is for the players who did not get to play at all in the Varsity game, and/or other players who received limited playing time in first game.

Stacking comes into play, when you have over 48 kids on a Team. At that point, it is suggested or required to split that Team into 2 separate teams. When this happens, is when BYF frowns on putting 24 of the best players(or "stacking") on a Team. They would like the split to be of a draft format. Whether there are practices before the split or not, doesn't matter. As long as both Coaches, pick and chosse in a "drafting" format, in order to eliminate the possibility of "stacking" teams.

I hope this helps.

[Smashmouth#1]

Smash,

its not a matter of stacking teams. Each team is organized by Grades(3&4, 5&6 and 7). At that point, you put together a Varsity and a JV team for each level. The better and more experienced players will play in the Varsity game, and then right after, the JV game is played. The JV game is for the players who did not get to play at all in the Varsity game, and/or other players who received limited playing time in first game.

Stacking comes into play, when you have over 48 kids on a Team. At that point, it is suggested or required to split that Team into 2 separate teams. When this happens, is when BYF frowns on putting 24 of the best players(or "stacking") on a Team. They would like the split to be of a draft format. Whether there are practices before the split or not, doesn't matter. As long as both Coaches, pick and chosse in a "drafting" format, in order to eliminate the possibility of "stacking" teams.

I hope this helps.



So you are merely organizing them by grade first and then by experience and talent. That looks like what you said to me, not trying to twist this here.

Here's the definition of stacking (verb) from the Merriam-Webster Dictionary as it pertains to games. I'm not sure how it's different.


VERB:
stacked , stack�ing , stacks
VERB:
tr.

To arrange in a stack; pile.
To load or cover with stacks or piles: stacked the dishwasher.

Games To prearrange the order of (a deck of cards) so as to increase the chance of winning.
To prearrange or fix unfairly so as to favor a particular outcome: tried to stack the jury.
To direct (aircraft) to circle at different altitudes while waiting to land.




Like I said, this is what I was told from BYF coaches from the lower levels, not the upper levels, and from parents and others affiliated with that league. Green1965Champs also admitted that the A team is stacked.

The website states this:

Equally talented and divided teams and squads – we do not stack teams with the best players and cheerleaders, but rather divide the talent equally to ensure a competitive spirit.

Which is it? That's all that I am asking. Irish, you say no that you don't. That's fine, Springfield is following the rules.

[Irish87]

It was explained to all the coaches, that when splitting Teams with 48 or more kids, that "stacking" one team with 24 of the best players was discouraged and is not advised.

[Yappi]

Smashmouth#1 - I don't think you are quite getting this. Imagine it like this, Green HS has a Varsity and JV team. The older and better players play Varsity. The younger and less experienced play JV. Now Green grows so fast, they split into two high schools. Instead of loading all the best players on Green North and all the inexperienced players on Green South, the simply divide the talent equally between the two new schools. Once these new teams are formed, they put the best players on Varsity (at their respective schools) and the lesser experienced players on JV.

[Smashmouth#1]

Smashmouth#1 - I don't think you are quite getting this. Imagine it like this, Green HS has a Varsity and JV team. The older and better players play Varsity. The younger and less experienced play JV. Now Green grows so fast, they split into two high schools. Instead of loading all the best players on Green North and all the inexperienced players on Green South, the simply divide the talent equally between the two new schools. Once these new teams are formed, they put the best players on Varsity and the lesser experienced players on JV.

This example doesn't really work because it would work by where you live as opposed to football talent.

[Yappi]

It works if you try to make the correlation. There are public school systems that have multiple school district that have open enrollment (Akron/Canton/Columbus/Cincinnati/Cleveland). A good school system will make sure that both schools have good teams instead of loading up one school.

What they are trying to do is avoid having a situation like Cleveland Glenville. The rest of the teams in the Senate struggle to get enough kids to play while Glenville regularly sends 10+ athletes to college.

[Smashmouth#1]

I guess our biggest difference here is intent. It's always the toughest thing to prove. I, personally, put the best 11 on the field; the ones that have earned it. I also work in the other kids, last year most kids played more than a quarter and almost a half of the game.

We've all seen it happen and it sucks, I guess I am always on the lookout for it, not to say that you guys aren't, but I am very sensitive to it because, in my own competitive nature, I could go down that route, and I take every step possible to make sure that I don't and won't. With that, a young mans confidence is far more important to me than whether I win or lose a game because he will remember what I did not neccessarily the outcome of the game.

[Smashmouth#1]

I hope that clarifies my position a bit.

And from an outsiders point of view, it could be taken that way.

[green1965champs]

First off, which is iT? Do you stack your teams or not?? You just admitted that you did, and now you are saying that it's a rule that you cannot. HMMMMMMM.......and I was referring to B and C squads, not the A squad.

Hey, check your own site........ I pulled this for you......answer this....What is the point of stacking a team if not to win???



Equally talented and divided teams and squads – we do not stack teams with the best players and cheerleaders, but rather divide the talent equally to ensure a competitive spirit.
In-House Flag Program – teams are limited in number of players so everyone gets to play. We only play other Green teams so no travel is needed at this young age.
Building character – our philosophy has always been to develop the skill set of our participants rather than a “win at all cost” approach

See, it's not a "win at all costs" approach, so why stack a team?????

And for the record, SYF is not adopting the BYF format. Interesting theory.
Cmon smash you know the drill. Yes you stack untill we hit the 47 mark, then we split even. You love the twist action but anyone besides you gets it.

[Irish87]

I guess our biggest difference here is intent. It's always the toughest thing to prove. I, personally, put the best 11 on the field; the ones that have earned it. I also work in the other kids, last year most kids played more than a quarter and almost a half of the game.

Now you're on the right track. You would play your best 11, or 14 or 16 in the Varsity game, then come back with the rest, and allow them to play all 4 qtrs of the JV game. Its a no lose situation. Your best 11, 14 or 16 mentioned earlier would not even play in the second game. Everyone gets to play a ton every Saturday.

[Yappi]

I guess our biggest difference here is intent. It's always the toughest thing to prove. I, personally, put the best 11 on the field; the ones that have earned it. I also work in the other kids, last year most kids played more than a quarter and almost a half of the game.

We've all seen it happen and it sucks, I guess I am always on the lookout for it, not to say that you guys aren't, but I am very sensitive to it because, in my own competitive nature, I could go down that route, and I take every step possible to make sure that I don't and won't. With that, a young mans confidence is far more important to me than whether I win or lose a game because he will remember what I did not neccessarily the outcome of the game.

After coaching against you last year, your team was the only one that beat us playing the same type of game. Every kid on our team played 20+ plays every game. Some teams struggled to get their kids 5 plays even when they had fewer players than us. I definitely respected how you coached that game.

[Smashmouth#1]

After coaching against you last year, your team was the only one that beat us playing the same type of game. Every kid on our team played 20+ plays every game. Some teams struggled to get their kids 5 plays even when they had fewer players than us. I definitely respected how you coached that game.

Thank you, I appreciate that.

As I said before, that was a heluva game and it could have gone either way.

[Smashmouth#1]

Now you're on the right track. You would play your best 11, or 14 or 16 in the Varsity game, then come back with the rest, and allow them to play all 4 qtrs of the JV game. Its a no lose situation. Your best 11, 14 or 16 mentioned earlier would not even play in the second game. Everyone gets to play a ton every Saturday.

The SYF has had a similar thing in place for quite a long time. If there are enough kids you split, like the Tuesday vs Saturday C teams for instance, or the 2nd Tuesday C-team. Teams are split as equally as parents schedules allow for this. The same format is used, at least in GYF, all the way up if you need to split. You divide the talent equally among both teams so that both are competitive. It could be, and heard it was. different in other communities, but that was hearsay.

[bass10]

smash, smash, smash, you continue to put a simple system and twist it to make it look bad. There's one HS team in Green right? SOme play on the Sat. morning JV games right? These are the less talented, developing players. Thats what we do! If there are 100 kids in a age group we wouldn't want to have just one V & one JV so we may have 3 teams 33 kids each, some (call them stacked) would play V and the rest JV. Each one of these 3 teams would be split as equal as possible. So simple even a cave man could understand this.

[Smashmouth#1]

smash, smash, smash, you continue to put a simple system and twist it to make it look bad. There's one HS team in Green right? SOme play on the Sat. morning JV games right? These are the less talented, developing players. Thats what we do! If there are 100 kids in a age group we wouldn't want to have just one V & one JV so we may have 3 teams 33 kids each, some (call them stacked) would play V and the rest JV. Each one of these 3 teams would be split as equal as possible. So simple even a cave man could understand this.

No I'm not twisting a system here at all. Which is it? First you state that we have one HS team, and that the "less talented developing players" play on JV on Saturday. That's fine, I have no problem with that, Your JV is chock full of Sophomores and Jr.'s that need extra work. That's the way it is in HS, and the way it has been for years. I am not debating that.

Then you say that you do the same thing. OK fine. The best players play Varsity, the others play on JV.

Let me reitterate what it says on YOUR website again.

Equally talented and divided teams and squads – we do not stack teams with the best players and cheerleaders, but rather divide the talent equally to ensure a competitive spirit.

Building character – our philosophy has always been to develop the skill set of our participants rather than a “win at all cost” approach

In an effort for total disclosure, I deleted the part about the flag program because it has no bearing here.

Then to top it off, after you say that you pull the best kids for the Varsity team, (which YOUR coaches state that they are "stacking" a team, verbatum) you try backtrack and state that you split the talent equally. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Why would you pull all of your most talented kids and put them on varsity if your philosophy is "to develop a skill set of our particapants rather than a win at all cost approach" ? How does that fit into that philosophy??????

Doesn't a rising tide raise all boats? Then why not mix a few of the best kids on each team to ensure that you do what your website says and "equally talented and divided team and squads".(verbatum from your website again). You would then be able to reenforce quality fundamentals and do more, but I won't give away any more secrets.
And when your coaches go against this philosophy as well by self admission, well then, where does that leave you.

I am not disagreeing with the way that you are doing things, just be out in the open about it, don't say that you pull the best kids for varsity and then in the next breath try and say that you split the talent equally, because you cannot do both.

[Ragemaker]

Smash, cmon you really can't be serious here, there have been numerous different explinations here!:wallbang: :wallbang: :wallbang: One more time... You put (stack) your Varsity team for that grade level for the first game. Then those that are not good enough (J.V.) to play in the Varsity get to play the second game. That's easy enough right? The second game is where the "to develop a skill set of our particapants rather than a win at all cost approach" comes into play here. Now when you have soooo many kids (48+) that it then becomes impossible to play all of these kids in the 2 games then you take all of your kids and "split" them into 2 completely different squads. You now have 2 Varsity, and 2 J.V. teams. Now each squad puts (stack) their best players on the Varsity teams and the rest play J.V. Now, read slowly, maybe even over and over agian... They "equally" divide their Best Varsity players so that they don't have one Varsity team WAAAAYYYYYY better than their other Varsity team (STACKED). Actually Yappi explained it verry well with this

Smashmouth#1 - I don't think you are quite getting this. Imagine it like this, Green HS has a Varsity and JV team. The older and better players play Varsity. The younger and less experienced play JV. Now Green grows so fast, they split into two high schools. Instead of loading all the best players on Green North and all the inexperienced players on Green South, the simply divide the talent equally between the two new schools. Once these new teams are formed, they put the best players on Varsity (at their respective schools) and the lesser experienced players on JV.

And you came back with this

This example doesn't really work because it would work by where you live as opposed to football talent.

Now close your eyes and pretend our 2 Green High Schools are situated directly next to each other so you don't have to worry about borders, heck the players might have classes in both schools for that matter. If you can't grasp the concept now... well just trust us it works.

[Smashmouth#1]

Smash, cmon you really can't be serious here, there have been numerous different explinations here!:wallbang: :wallbang: :wallbang: One more time... You put (stack) your Varsity team for that grade level for the first game. Then those that are not good enough (J.V.) to play in the Varsity get to play the second game. That's easy enough right? The second game is where the "to develop a skill set of our particapants rather than a win at all cost approach" comes into play here. Now when you have soooo many kids (48+) that it then becomes impossible to play all of these kids in the 2 games then you take all of your kids and "split" them into 2 completely different squads. You now have 2 Varsity, and 2 J.V. teams. Now each squad puts (stack) their best players on the Varsity teams and the rest play J.V. Now, read slowly, maybe even over and over agian... They "equally" divide their Best Varsity players so that they don't have one Varsity team WAAAAYYYYYY better than their other Varsity team (STACKED). Actually Yappi explained it verry well with this

Smashmouth#1 - I don't think you are quite getting this. Imagine it like this, Green HS has a Varsity and JV team. The older and better players play Varsity. The younger and less experienced play JV. Now Green grows so fast, they split into two high schools. Instead of loading all the best players on Green North and all the inexperienced players on Green South, the simply divide the talent equally between the two new schools. Once these new teams are formed, they put the best players on Varsity (at their respective schools) and the lesser experienced players on JV.

And you came back with this

This example doesn't really work because it would work by where you live as opposed to football talent.

Now close your eyes and pretend our 2 Green High Schools are situated directly next to each other so you don't have to worry about borders, heck the players might have classes in both schools for that matter. If you can't grasp the concept now... well just trust us it works.


I totally understand what you are doing. One more time, here is what is says on the website.


Equally talented and divided teams and squads – we do not stack teams with the best players and cheerleaders, but rather divide the talent equally to ensure a competitive spirit.

Building character – our philosophy has always been to develop the skill set of our participants rather than a “win at all cost” approach


Now where does it say that you put the best kids on Varsity and the others on JV. It doesn't. It says that you split the teams equally. No one will answer the simplest question that I have, why are you putting all the best kids on the varsity and the others on JV if you state over and over that you split the teams equally?? It's on your website, it's what you tell people, it's everywhere, and why do that if you don't have a win at all cost approach??

[bass10]

WOW, I guess the website doesn't say that specifically. I suppose we're hoping that the people that visit our site have just the littlest bit of " common sense " and can figure out all by themselves what JV versus V is.

On your V 7th & 8th grade team, if you have 28 kids on it, we both know about 8-10 kids aren't going to get addequit playing time. Those kids then would get to play both ways in another game (JV) but still 7th & 8th grade. Bottom line, they practice hard all week but don't see the field, here they get to play in a game every week.

[Smashmouth#1]

WOW, I guess the website doesn't say that specifically. I suppose we're hoping that the people that visit our site have just the littlest bit of " common sense " and can figure out all by themselves what JV versus V is.

On your V 7th & 8th grade team, if you have 28 kids on it, we both know about 8-10 kids aren't going to get addequit playing time. Those kids then would get to play both ways in another game (JV) but still 7th & 8th grade. Bottom line, they practice hard all week but don't see the field, here they get to play in a game every week.

Common sense doesn't take the place of you actually stating that you split teams equally. That is quite different, my friend.

Allow me to reitterate, once again, what you guys state you are about.

Equally talented and divided teams and squads – we do not stack teams with the best players and cheerleaders, but rather divide the talent equally to ensure a competitive spirit.

Building character – our philosophy has always been to develop the skill set of our participants rather than a “win at all cost” approach

Wait, I thought you guys wanted the 8th graders to play at the Middle School, so you are now accepting them??

You cannot translate all situations that happen at middle school and HS down to the youth level.
If you have 28 kids on your B or C team, you cannot expect to have 8-10 kids not get adequate playing time, parents would be in an uproar.
The lower levels are meant to teach fundamentals, not about winning games. Once you get to the JV or Varsity(GYF), or A-team (BYF), then it becomes a competition thing. In your format, winning is the main goal all the way up, or so it appears that way.

[Irish87]

I'm sorry Smash, I usually can accept some of your statements, but you really are not getting it. I'm not even gonna waste my time trying to explain again. Bottom Line is, more kids get more playing time in the BYF. Simple as that. Lets move on cuz we're just going in circles.

[bass10]

No we do not accept 8th graders, I was referring to your V team. Yes it is our philosophy for 8th graders to play middle school. You're right, if your part of GYF then BYF "wins at all costs" but if you're part of BYF you don't. We will always agree to disagree and I don't believe either of us will EVER accept it even when we're proven wrong.

[Smashmouth#1]

Bass,

Yes, we do accept 8th graders under 138 lbs. We take the smaller kids that make weight. We also take the ones that would benefit from another year in the youth program PLAYING football as opposed to STANDING on the sidelines with the middle school program. We also kick-off. It's part of the game.

As far as accepting when I am wrong, I do. I get up every morning and apologize to my wife first thing becuase I know that, if I haven't yet, I will do or be wrong in some way that day!!!!!!!!!! (that was a joke, just to clarify)

[Smashmouth#1]

I'm sorry Smash, I usually can accept some of your statements, but you really are not getting it. I'm not even gonna waste my time trying to explain again. Bottom Line is, more kids get more playing time in the BYF. Simple as that. Lets move on cuz we're just going in circles.

I do get it. You put the best kids on Varsity and the rest go on JV. No one has still answered the question why do you organize it that way?? Simple question with a simple answer.

In the sales pitch, it's quite different though, here I will let you see it again.

Equally talented and divided teams and squads – we do not stack teams with the best players and cheerleaders, but rather divide the talent equally to ensure a competitive spirit.

Building character – our philosophy has always been to develop the skill set of our participants rather than a “win at all cost” approach

You guys have all admitted that you put the best kids on one team and the rest go on another. that's not equally dividing talent.

I am glad that you got the tag line in there though that more kids get more play time in BYF. You forgot to mention that all kids get to play, and that you are supported by the schools.

[SSpartans]

It does sound a little confusing but I get it. Sound like a kid that is not quite developed yet, has a chance to be competive agianst other kids that are about at the same level of play...This sounds great. Now can a kid work hard and get a chance to move up to the varsity team or does he have to stay on JV the hole season? and vice-versa. Can you use it as a form of discipline, such as you missed 3 practices this week so you are playing on JV this weekend?

[Irish87]

I do get it. You put the best kids on Varsity and the rest go on JV. No one has still answered the question why do you organize it that way?? Simple question with a simple answer.

You guys have all admitted that you put the best kids on one team and the rest go on another. that's not equally dividing talent.

I am glad that you got the tag line in there though that more kids get more play time in BYF. You forgot to mention that all kids get to play, and that you are supported by the schools.

Its organized that way, so the kids who did not get much play time in the Varsity game, still will play 3 - 4 Qtrs of Football every Saturday. In SYF, if a coach neglects to get a child a sufficient amount of play time, the day is over and the child, parent and grandparent goes home un-happy. Simple as that.

And thanx for making the point about the School supporting our League. Its nice to have this support, and to know that we are doing whats best for the kids in our community.

And, all kids get to play. You're coming around Smash. :)

[Irish87]

It does sound a little confusing but I get it. Sound like a kid that is not quite developed yet, has a chance to be competive agianst other kids that are about at the same level of play...This sounds great. Now can a kid work hard and get a chance to move up to the varsity team or does he have to stay on JV the hole season? and vice-versa. Can you use it as a form of discipline, such as you missed 3 practices this week so you are playing on JV this weekend?

Absoluetly. Varsity and JV Rosters are set each week and submitted to the League. If a child developes mid-way through the season, he can be awarded by the Coach to be a part of the "Varsity" Squad. Another great concept to build a childs moral.

[bass10]

Bass,

And you were doing sooooo well, and then you have to jump to the moron comment because you have no arguement. And the fact that I am part of GYF has no bearing, I am merely trying to understand your system versus what you say you do and what you actually do.

Yes, we do accept 8th graders under 138 lbs. We take the smaller kids that make weight. We also take the ones that would benefit from another year in the youth program PLAYING football as opposed to STANDING on the sidelines with the middle school program. We also kick-off. It's part of the game.

As far as accepting when I am wrong, I do. I get up every morning and apologize to my wife first thing becuase I know that, if I haven't yet, I will do or be wrong in some way that day!!!!!!!!!! (that was a joke, just to clarify)

No need to explain anything about 8th graders, I was just stating we do not accept them, u do, so be it, If your league accepts them, fine-non factor in this post.

On what we're selling. I know both leagues are pretty close in numbers (or I think) so I'm not trying to one up you here. But, we have 42 7th graders on our team, I believe GYF has about 12? Whatever, my only point to this and I don't know or care about your other numbers I'm just using this because this is what I've heard, this many parents can't believe or have the wool pulled over their eyes. They like the format, it IS NOT being twisted to get them to play for us, parents aren't just reading the website, they are talking to other parents and getting informed.
This format has been ran in North Canton for about 55 years? Even u have to respect their program, yes we've modified it slightly but not the V, JV concept.

[spartan71]

I do get it. You put the best kids on Varsity and the rest go on JV. No one has still answered the question why do you organize it that way?? Simple question with a simple answer.

In the sales pitch, it's quite different though, here I will let you see it again.

Equally talented and divided teams and squads – we do not stack teams with the best players and cheerleaders, but rather divide the talent equally to ensure a competitive spirit.

Building character – our philosophy has always been to develop the skill set of our participants rather than a “win at all cost” approach

You guys have all admitted that you put the best kids on one team and the rest go on another. that's not equally dividing talent.



I am glad that you got the tag line in there though that more kids get more play time in BYF. You forgot to mention that all kids get to play, and that you are supported by the schools.


Smash i think you drank the purple Kool-Aid OH YEAH! and your just playing devils advocate.... its simple varsity is competitive and JV is developmental... we submit a varsity and jv rooster every week for each team.
so to answer SSpartans question yes players can improve and move up to the varsity from the jv thats kind of the purpose of all this to allow kids to develop in game situations instead of being a tackling dummy all season in practice...

[bigcountry7417]

First I would like to say that I like the idea of the V and JV level for each group of kids, it would allow everyone the chance to participate as long as it is used the way it is intended.

Secondly, as a parent of a child playing in the SYF, I would like to express my displeasure with those from Springfield, who said they would have teams to play in the SYF league this year. Since your teams were put into the scheduling process, and you now cannot fill teams at each level, our kids now only get to play in 7 games this year with a bye for the 8th. Not only have you taken to the splitting of your community, you are now affecting others communities who participate in the SYFL. None of this would have happened if you would have just let the majority rule; instead of your inflated egos. :mad:

[Yappi]

[COLOR="Red"]Equally talented and divided teams and squads – we do not stack teams with the best players and cheerleaders, but rather divide the talent equally to ensure a competitive spirit.

One last try, a HS kid from Green is asked by his Grandma what team he plays for. His response, "I play for the Green Bulldogs." He doesn't say he plays for the Varsity or JV because those are levels within the TEAM. Every kid that plays a down for the high school TEAM plays for the Green Bulldogs TEAM. Some play at the highest level, Varsity. Some play at a lower level, JV.

Let's be totally honest here, there were times in games last year where your least experienced and talented player got drilled by the biggest and best player on the other team. THAT does not happen in BYF because the best player will play varsity only while the least talented will play JV only. SYF has some good attributes too but BYF does a better job of matching skill sets by having two levels within the same team.

[Smashmouth#1]

One last try, a HS kid from Green is asked by his Grandma what team he plays for. His response, "I play for the Green Bulldogs." He doesn't say he plays for the Varsity or JV because those are levels within the TEAM. Every kid that plays a down for the high school TEAM plays for the Green Bulldogs TEAM. Some play at the highest level, Varsity. Some play at a lower level, JV.

Let's be totally honest here, there were times in games last year where your least experienced and talented player got drilled by the biggest and best player on the other team. THAT does not happen in BYF because the best player will play varsity only while the least talented will play JV only. SYF has some good attributes too but BYF does a better job of matching skill sets by having two levels within the same team.

I guess I am not being clear, my rub is not in the format itself. I did state that earlier, it's with the way that it is presented. On the surface, it's kumbaya and happy and everyone is equal when it's not the case. It really is that simple. My point is simple, don't go around touting the fact that all teams are split equally when they aren't. Some of you guys have admitted it yourself.

Here it is in your guys own words right here.

Equally talented and divided teams and squads – we do not stack teams with the best players and cheerleaders, but rather divide the talent equally to ensure a competitive spirit.

this is what you say, not what is done, by your own admissions.

[Irish87]

They are split equally, when you split a group of 48 or more!! :wallbang: :wallbang: :wallbang: :wallbang: :wallbang: :wallbang: :wallbang:

When you set your starting lineup for a game, do you take your best 5 or 6 and your worst 5 or 6 and place them in the starting lineup? No! Typically, coaches place their best 11 on the field(give or take a couple) and that is who starts. Stop trying to make this more than it is.

Do you see us harping on the exemptions SYF is making for the Springfield SYF team? No, but you won't let a simple BYF website explanation go. Why don't you tell us how Springfield is allowed to play in the SYF League without a Varsity? Isnt this the same reason Rootstown was ousted a few years back? Cmon, not everything is so black and white Smash.

[Smashmouth#1]

They are split equally, when you split a group of 48 or more!! :wallbang: :wallbang: :wallbang: :wallbang: :wallbang: :wallbang: :wallbang:

When you set your starting lineup for a game, do you take your best 5 or 6 and your worst 5 or 6 and place them in the starting lineup? No! Typically, coaches place their best 11 on the field(give or take a couple) and that is who starts. Stop trying to make this more than it is.

Do you see us harping on the exemptions SYF is making for the Springfield SYF team? No, but you won't let a simple BYF website explanation go. Why don't you tell us how Springfield is allowed to play in the SYF League without a Varsity? Isnt this the same reason Rootstown was ousted a few years back? Cmon, not everything is so black and white Smash.

I understand that you will split varsity at 48 and jv at 48.
You don't state that on the website about varsity and JV. Nothing about the best kids play varsity the others play JV. What's stated is that everything is that everything is split equally period. NO JV NO VARSITY Difference. EQUAL PERIOD. It is that black and white.

I would debate that other issue that you brought up but it is a seperate issue, not related to this one.

[Yappi]

Here it is in your guys own words right here.

Equally talented and divided teams and squads – we do not stack teams with the best players and cheerleaders, but rather divide the talent equally to ensure a competitive spirit.

this is what you say, not what is done, by your own admissions.

I lied earlier, I will give it at least one more try. A "team" is a group of players, correct? You cannot have one player playing on two different "teams", right? When a kid suits up for the Varsity level at Green HS and plays 5 plays and then plays 50 plays the next day for the JV, he played on two different levels BUT played for only one TEAM.

It really sounds like you are trying to split hairs to make your argument. BYF uses the high school format that one team splits into two levels. Every kid is eligible to play at both levels but you play your best players at the varsity (first game) and those that didn't get enough time get to play in the second game.

You have to get past your own misleading terminology. Team means one clearly identifiable group of players. Levels within each team are fluid and will change each week.

[Yappi]

I understand that you will split varsity at 48 and jv at 48.

Maybe this is the problem!! Why do you say "split varsity at 48 AND jv at 48"?

[Smashmouth#1]

I lied earlier, I will give it at least one more try. A "team" is a group of players, correct? You cannot have one player playing on two different "teams", right? When a kid suits up for the Varsity level at Green HS and plays 5 plays and then plays 50 plays the next day for the JV, he played on two different levels BUT played for only one TEAM.

It really sounds like you are trying to split hairs to make your argument. BYF uses the high school format that one team splits into two levels. Every kid is eligible to play at both levels but you play your best players at the varsity (first game) and those that didn't get enough time get to play in the second game.

You have to get past your own misleading terminology. Team means one clearly identifiable group of players. Levels within each team are fluid and wii change each week.

How can it be "my misleading terminology" when I am merely reitterating what is states on your website???

[Smashmouth#1]

Not yours as far as tallmadge, it actually says that on the Green BYF website.

[Smashmouth#1]

Maybe this is the problem!! Why do you say "split varsity at 48 AND jv at 48"?

Ok, elaborate on the rule for me to make sure I AM understanding how this works.

[tyfateam]

I thought only organizations that were entering the SYFL for their first year could not field varsity team?

And if that's not true, then what happens if they don't field a varsity team two years in a row?

[Yappi]

How can it be "my misleading terminology" when I am merely reitterating what is states on your website???

I'm making you the coach. You have 30 kids on your team. You play Saturday at 9:00AM. The first game you put your starters in and play the game. Now the second game comes along, you look at your roster and find the 18 kids who didn't get much playing time. Six of those kids played in the Varsity game but only played sparingly. In the second game, you take these 18 kids and give them each plenty of playing time. After the second game is over, you go home.

So it would break down this way:

30 kids total
12 played significant time in the varsity game. They are done for the day.
6 played sparingly in the varstiy game. They will get more time in the JV game.
12 didn't play at all. These 12 will get siginificant playing time in the JV game.

So if you follow along, your TEAM played two games on Saturday. The first game was the same type of game that you are used to playing in SYF. The second game allows you to play your less experienced players in a safer game that allows them a chance to develop where they can compete with the bigger faster kids.

It's ONE team playing TWO games. The first game is the HIGHER level for more skilled kids. The second game is the lower level which is designed to help kids that need to develop more before being thrown in against bigger stronger kids.

[Yappi]

Ok, elaborate on the rule for me to make sure I AM understanding how this works.

You said "split varsity at 48 AND jv at 48"?

There is no such thing as Varsity and JV until the first game of the year. You have a TEAM with one Head Caoch. Once that team has 48 or more players, you split into a second team. Now you would have a Green Black team and Green Orange team. These teams would split up, each have their own Head Caoch, coaching staff, and their own schedule of games. When the first week of games starts, the coaching staff puts their team on the field for two games. The understanding is the first game is for the more developed players. This game is more competitive for that reason. The second game is more developmental. This is for the kids who are smaller, less talented, and/or fearful of getting hit. Both games are played by the SAME TEAM. The difference is that a coach should not put any of his stud players in the second game because it would defeat the purpose of having these two levels. It's one TEAM playing two games every week. Individually, the kids will only play approximately 4 quarters.

[bass10]

I think smash understands the split, he can't overcome the fact that the V & JV are not the same equal talent like it says on the website? In other words if we had 60 kids he'd like to see 3 teams of 20 play one game and those teams split equally.

The JV vs. V is so blatently obvious that they are not split equally that we didn't feel necesary to talk at a 1st grade level on the website. If you have one team of V & JV when would a kid ever get to advance up and get some confidence? Smash, my friend, I truly hope your just messing with everyone here and not truly trying to argue this point.

[Irish87]

If SYF or BYF isn't going to be somewhat competitive in their respective games, why even keep score? Yappi, I understood all 5 explanations you gave. Are you a school teacher? :)

[Smashmouth#1]

I think smash understands the split, he can't overcome the fact that the V & JV are not the same equal talent like it says on the website? In other words if we had 60 kids he'd like to see 3 teams of 20 play one game and those teams split equally.

The JV vs. V is so blatently obvious that they are not split equally that we didn't feel necesary to talk at a 1st grade level on the website. If you have one team of V & JV when would a kid ever get to advance up and get some confidence? Smash, my friend, I truly hope your just messing with everyone here and not truly trying to argue this point.

If you have 60 kids, you have 3 teams of 20, talent split equally among the teams, all having their own schedule, not all playing in one game.

[Smashmouth#1]

Going back to my point, it states that you split all teams equally, nothing about JV and Varsity differences, just that teams are split equally. period. and that's what people think. I've heard the comments and the complaints.

[Smashmouth#1]

If SYF or BYF isn't going to be somewhat competitive in their respective games, why even keep score? Yappi, I understood all 5 explanations you gave. Are you a school teacher? :)

how are they not going to be competitive?

I hate not keeping score, it was a struggle when I coached the S word a quite a few years back.

[tyfateam]

60 kids = two teams of 30 kids

Blue Team = 30 kids

15 kids on Blue Varsity and 15 kids on Blue JV

Green Team = 30 kids

15 kids on Green Varsity and 15 kids on Green JV

Even a mom understands it.

[Smashmouth#1]

60 kids = two teams of 30 kids

Blue Team = 30 kids

15 kids on Blue Varsity and 15 kids on Blue JV

Green Team = 30 kids

15 kids on Green Varsity and 15 kids on Green JV

Even a mom understands it.

by the way its described, the better kids play on blue varsity and the lesser on the blue jv.

How is that equally splitting talent?

[tyfateam]

At GYF, if you have two teams at anyone of your levels (C, B, A, JV or V) do you have a draft between two coaches to try and make them as equal as possible?

Basically, you're trying to say that the BYF or Green (BYF) is lying and shouldn't be trusted when the complete opposite is true. It seems that they have a very good number of kids that come out every year and play for them. Let them be, obviously the parents like the format or they wouldn't bring their kids back.

[Smashmouth#1]

At GYF, if you have two teams at anyone of your levels (C, B, A, JV or V) do you have a draft between two coaches to try and make them as equal as possible?

Basically, you're trying to say that the BYF or Green (BYF) is lying and shouldn't be trusted when the complete opposite is true. It seems that they have a very good number of kids that come out every year and play for them. Let them be, obviously the parents like the format or they wouldn't bring their kids back.

the kids are divided by what works best for the parent with the schedule. Internally, we have plans in place should that situation arise.

I never said BYF is lying and shouldn't be trusted. Those are words that you are putting in my mouth. Asking for clarification.

And you didn't answer the question. If, you have the better kids on Varsity and the rest on JV how can you say that you equally split talent??

[Irish87]

the kids are divided by what works best for the parent with the schedule. Internally, we have plans in place should that situation arise.

I never said BYF is lying and shouldn't be trusted. Those are words that you are putting in my mouth. Asking for clarification.

And you didn't answer the question. If, you have the better kids on Varsity and the rest on JV how can you say that you equally split talent??

You have got to be messing with us now!
:wallbang: :wallbang:

[green1965champs]

the kids are divided by what works best for the parent with the schedule. Internally, we have plans in place should that situation arise.

I never said BYF is lying and shouldn't be trusted. Those are words that you are putting in my mouth. Asking for clarification.

And you didn't answer the question. If, you have the better kids on Varsity and the rest on JV how can you say that you equally split talent??

Can you live out of the district to play for syfl?

Seems to me Ellet is the only one who was punished for this.

How does Springfield get away with it? Does the bylaws for your youth syfl change to fit your needs?

When you guys take Springfield BYF to court for equipment violation, are you going to compare it to the rule bending going on there?

[Yappi]

I'm not trying to belittle you Smashmouth#1, but this is how the conversation seems to be going:

Grandma: What team do you play for?
Grandson: I play for the Green Bulldogs

Grandma: I know that you play for Green, but what team do you play for?
Grandson: Grandma, I told you I play for the Green Bulldogs!

Grandma: I realize that, I just want to know what TEAM you play for?
Grandson: I said it already, Green Bulldogs HS team.

Grandma: That's not what I asked, I asked what TEAM do you play for?
Grandson: Green Bulldogs, Green Bulldogs, Green Bulldogs!!!

Grandma: Forget it, all I'm trying to find out is what team you play for?
Grandson: I already told you, the Green Bulldogs.

Grandma: I guess I won't be able to come to your games then?
Grandson: Why not Grandma, I play on Fridays and Saturdays.

Grandma: So you are now saying you play on two teams?
Grandson: No Grandma, I play for the Green Bulldogs.

Grandma: Then how come you play on Fridays and Saturdays?
Grandson: I dress Friday night and play a couple plays in the varsity game and play alot in the Saturday JV games.

Grandma: I'm disappointed you lied to me. Now you are telling me you play for two teams.
Grandson: No Grandma, I play for the Green Bulldogs. Friday night I play on the Varsity level and Saturday I play on the JV level.

Grandma: Wait until I talk to your Mother about your lying.

[bullgreen06]

I understand that you will split varsity at 48 and jv at 48.
You don't state that on the website about varsity and JV. Nothing about the best kids play varsity the others play JV. What's stated is that everything is that everything is split equally period. NO JV NO VARSITY Difference. EQUAL PERIOD. It is that black and white.

I would debate that other issue that you brought up but it is a seperate issue, not related to this one.

Have you played smashmouth? Because everyone knows the better players would be on Varsity, isnt that common sense?

[Smashmouth#1]

Have you played smashmouth? Because everyone knows the better players would be on Varsity, isnt that common sense?

yes I have, and I fully understand this.

This is my point.

If the best players play at the varsity and the rest play on JV then how can you say that ALL teams are split equally?

[Smashmouth#1]

Ok here goes,

From this conversation this is what I have gathered.

50 kids come out for football. You split that at 25 and 25. The best 25 are Varsity and the other 25 are on JV.

You are following the HS program with this philosophy.

Is this correct in what I have gathered??

[Yappi]

Ok here goes,

From this conversation this is what I have gathered.

50 kids come out for football. You split that at 25 and 25. The best 25 are Varsity and the other 25 are on JV.

You are following the HS program with this philosophy.

Is this correct in what I have gathered??

Totally wrong! Please take a step back and realize that you are completely wrong in your understanding. Throw out all your previous beliefs because they are all wrong. You have 50 kids. You split into two TEAMS. Call team #1 Orange and team #2 Black. The 25 kids on Black play 2 games on Saturday. The 25 kids on Orange play a different 2 games on Saturday against a different opponent.

[Ragemaker]

Ok here goes,

From this conversation this is what I have gathered.

50 kids come out for football. You split that at 25 and 25. The best 25 are Varsity and the other 25 are on JV.

You are following the HS program with this philosophy.

Is this correct in what I have gathered??

Cmon yappi, after this put my post back up that you just took off... it was sooooo relavant to that last 15 or so posts by smashmouth.

[tyfateam]

Here's the solution to his arguement that has gone on for at least two pages now.

Give him the phone number or email to the webmaster for the website and have him/her take out the word "equally".

[Smashmouth#1]

Totally wrong! Please take a step back and realize that you are completely wrong in your understanding. Throw out all your previous beliefs because they are all wrong. You have 50 kids. You split into two TEAMS. Call team #1 Orange and team #2 Black. The 25 kids on Black play 2 games on Saturday. The 25 kids on Orange play a different 2 games on Saturday against a different opponent.

Now are getting somewhere.

50 kids...........

#1 team orange -25 kids

-plays 2 games against the mudslingers

-the better kids go to varsity-----play mudslinger Varsity
-the lesser talent plays JV--------play mudslinger JV




#2 team black- 25 kids

plays 2 games against the Rabblerousers

-the better kids go to Varsity----------------play rabblerouser Varsity
-the lesser talent plays JV-------------------play rabblerouser JV


is this correct???

[Smashmouth#1]

Cmon yappi, after this put my post back up that you just took off... it was sooooo relavant to that last 15 or so posts by smashmouth.

I'm sure that it was "sooooooooo relavant" if it was pulled off of here.

[Yappi]

Now are getting somewhere.

50 kids...........

#1 team orange -25 kids

-plays 2 games against the mudslingers

-the better kids go to varsity-----play mudslinger Varsity
-the lesser talent plays JV--------play mudslinger JV




#2 team black- 25 kids

plays 2 games against the Rabblerousers

-the better kids go to Varsity----------------play rabblerouser Varsity
-the lesser talent plays JV-------------------play rabblerouser JV


is this correct???



Almost! There are going to be a few crossover kids on each level. With 25 kids, you could have 10 that play Varsity only, 10 that play JV only, and 5 that play in both games. Those 5 would be the ones that don't play enough in the varsity game so they get to play in the JV game to get in a reasonable amount of plays.

[Smashmouth#1]

Almost! There are going to be a few crossover kids on each level. With 25 kids, you could have 10 that play Varsity only, 10 that play JV only, and 5 that play in both games. Those 5 would be the ones that don't play enough in the varsity game so they get to play in the JV game to get in a reasonable amount of plays.

I left that out to avoid any possible confusion.

ok.

The format is similar to the HS format of Varsity and JV.



correct?

[Smashmouth#1]

wait, how do you come up with the orange team and the black team?

[Irish87]

wait, how do you come up with the orange team and the black team?

Thats easy, you stack the Orange team and send the less talented kids to the Black team. :thumb: :laugh: :banana:

[Smashmouth#1]

Thats easy, you stack the Orange team and send the less talented kids to the Black team. :thumb: :laugh: :banana:

lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Really.

[Irish87]

Well, after you split the two teams of course. :)

I actually laughed out loud after I typed my own response earlier.

Funny stuff.

[Smashmouth#1]

in all seriousness how do you split them into one orange and one black?

[Irish87]

Dont nobody answer that question!!!!!!!!

Quick Yappi, close this thread.

My freakin head hurts.

[Ragemaker]

I'm sure that it was "sooooooooo relavant" if it was pulled off of here.

actually smash, it was relavant, all I did was post a dictinary word with it's meaning. No foul language, and no specifics... but yeah, sadly it was relavant.

[Yappi]

in all seriousness how do you split them into one orange and one black?

You have two head coaches that draft their teams. The format of the draft can be different for each community but after the teams are seperated, they should be fairly competitive against each other.

[Irish87]

You really should have been a teacher Yappi, with the patience you have shown. :)

[Smashmouth#1]

I left that out to avoid any possible confusion.

ok.

The format is similar to the HS format of Varsity and JV.



correct?

and is this correct as well?

[Smashmouth#1]

actually smash, it was relavant, all I did was post a dictinary word with it's meaning. No foul language, and no specifics... but yeah, sadly it was relavant.

oh no wait, I did see that post.

Nice, can't deal with the issues so you jump to calling names. That's intelligent.

[thepolster]

Can you live out of the district to play for syfl?

Seems to me Ellet is the only one who was punished for this.

How does Springfield get away with it? Does the bylaws for your youth syfl change to fit your needs?

When you guys take Springfield BYF to court for equipment violation, are you going to compare it to the rule bending going on there?

Why even ask this question? To controversial. Everyone knows its happening but looks the other way.

[bass10]

Ok I think I have it. If you have 60 kids in the 7th grade & 10 that aren't playing much on 8th or 9th grade you can split them into 6 teams of 10 and 2 each from the others and from there play 2 or 3 games a week. Which one is the "stacked" team? Let me know so I can word this right on the BYF website because I just received calls from 165 parents that weren't happy their kid wasn't on this stacked team playing 3-4 games a week and they preferred to play on a team called Orange not Black. I just told them it was too late we already fooled them with that tricky wording on our website. If anyone can help me with wording even a caveman could understand please help.

[bullgreen06]

yes I have, and I fully understand this.

This is my point.

If the best players play at the varsity and the rest play on JV then how can you say that ALL teams are split equally?

If there are 50 kids and 25 go to one team and 25 go to the other is that even? By my math it is

[GRPride86]

Ok I think I have it. If you have 60 kids in the 7th grade & 10 that aren't playing much on 8th or 9th grade you can split them into 6 teams of 10 and 2 each from the others and from there play 2 or 3 games a week. Which one is the "stacked" team? Let me know so I can word this right on the BYF website because I just received calls from 165 parents that weren't happy their kid wasn't on this stacked team playing 3-4 games a week and they preferred to play on a team called Orange not Black. I just told them it was too late we already fooled them with that tricky wording on our website. If anyone can help me with wording even a caveman could understand please help.

Just tell them tuff crap, you're on the team we put you on.

[bullgreen06]

Im just kidding but it sounds like you running it just like the H.S does, which is not a bad idea

[bullgreen06]

Just tell them tuff crap, you're on the team we put you on.

haha i like this quote! Parents are to involed sometimes!!!!!!!

[Smashmouth#1]

Im just kidding but it sounds like you running it just like the H.S does, which is not a bad idea

I don't care how it's run it bullgreen. My rub comes by the fact that the tell the community that "all teams are equal" and that it's not a "win at all cost" mentallity.

Why does the HS play football? To win.
If it's run like the HS team, then the object of having a youth varsity is to win.

My point is don't say one thing and do another and attempt to crucify the other league. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

[Smashmouth#1]

If there are 50 kids and 25 go to one team and 25 go to the other is that even? By my math it is

true, but we are speaking talent wise not numberwise.

[bass10]

So if my daughter was told she was cheering for a "stacked" orange team but wants to cheer for a "unstacked" green team (cause thats the name of our city) she can't because they want to win? That doesn't add up, I think I was lied to. Well then can she cheer for a team of kids that weren't lied to??

[bass10]

BYFL leaguers, really we from BYF put that JV, V thing on our website to weed out the dumb ones. We figure if they can't figure out that JV is not as good as V that the nuts don't fall far from the tree. "No little Timmy the even holes are on your other right" These are the ones we send to GYF.
No really, thanks for the entertainment today, otherwise a slow day.

[Smashmouth#1]

BYFL leaguers, really we from BYF put that JV, V thing on our website to weed out the dumb ones. We figure if they can't figure out that JV is not as good as V that the nuts don't fall far from the tree. "No little Timmy the even holes are on your other right" These are the ones we send to GYF.
No really, thanks for the entertainment today, otherwise a slow day.

Now this post just shows your classlessness.

[Panther123]

BYFL leaguers, really we from BYF put that JV, V thing on our website to weed out the dumb ones. We figure if they can't figure out that JV is not as good as V that the nuts don't fall far from the tree. "No little Timmy the even holes are on your other right" These are the ones we send to GYF.
No really, thanks for the entertainment today, otherwise a slow day.

Everyone involved know Byf is a Rec league Football league. Your skilled football players have come from Syf for years. Look at Green most skilled players have come from there league. By the way Byf has done wonders for our Youth program this year. Our numbers are so huge that we will proably have enough kids to split into eight teams on each level.. Manchester should have never got sucked into this pissing contest.

[spartan71]

blah blah blah! its football man. deal with it. same game unlimited weight just like God meant for it to be.... Yappi please close this thread there is something wrong with somebodies mendula oblongata (where is spell checker)

[greendad]

Everyone involved know Byf is a Rec league Football league. Your skilled football players have come from Syf for years. Look at Green most skilled players have come from there league. By the way Byf has done wonders for our Youth program this year. Our numbers are so huge that we will proably have enough kids to split into eight teams on each level.. Manchester should have never got sucked into this pissing contest.

they came from syf because thats all there was, byf is pretty new. there is byfer's in green as freshman right now.

[spartan71]

they came from syf because thats all there was, byf is pretty new. there is byfer's in green as freshman right now.
exactly!

:shrug:

[bullgreen06]

I don't care how it's run it bullgreen. My rub comes by the fact that the tell the community that "all teams are equal" and that it's not a "win at all cost" mentallity.

Why does the HS play football? To win.
If it's run like the HS team, then the object of having a youth varsity is to win.

My point is don't say one thing and do another and attempt to crucify the other league. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Gotto agree with you there smash

[GRPride86]

they came from syf because thats all there was, byf is pretty new. there is byfer's in green as freshman right now.

And the sophamore group at Green

[greendad]

And the sophamore group at Green

oh yeah, you're right GRPride86.

[green pride]

Stopped by the Spingfield scrimmage at Kent and you guys represented Springfield well. Next week stop by Green we are hosting Cleveland Glenville Pop Warner for a scrimmage. Also we have 2 more teams committed to the league next year. Good job Hurland:cool:

[nick9]

Thanks, we are having fun finally. We have a golf outing at Paridise Lake on August 17 I know most of the league is coming I hope some Green people will show. Stopped by the Spingfield scrimmage at Kent and you guys represented Springfield well. Next week stop by Green we are hosting Cleveland Glenville Pop Warner for a scrimmage. Also we have 2 more teams committed to the league next year. Good job Hurland:cool:

[Buckeye29]

I guarantee Pronio's will take care of you. Joe has been a friend of mine for a long time and over the years I have witnessed him give away litterally hundreds of dollars worth the merchandise to kids that come in and don't have the money for a mouthpiece, pair of sox or whatever. If there was ever a man that was about the kids it's Joe Pronio.

I couldn't agree more. He is a good dude!