meeting

[headhunter34]

9th 10th 11th 12th graders today @ high school 9am, if anyone knows a kid you wants to play. get them here

[Irish87]

I edited my first response.

What is this meeting about? I assume this is for all kids interested in playing HS Football, and they were notified via other means as well.

[GRPride86]

What kind of turnout was there for the high school team?

[thepolster]

D-bow said 19 8th graders going into 9th showed. Heres my thought on that. If we had 19 kids show up and only had 9 8th graders on youth varsity where did the other 8th grade 12 kids play. minus the 2 girls and Jeff our x QB which now lives in lake. That is one more strong example why the BYF will be the choice.To top it off Vaughn says at least 10 kids did not show up because they have prior engagements and babysitting there siblings. We should have actual numbers wed. .

[GRPride86]

^^^^^

Is that 10 more (going to be) 9th graders didn't show up? Would that bring your numbers to around 30 for a freshman team?

If so, that's a great place to start.

[Irish87]

GRPride,

thats how I interpreted it. Total of 29, if all showed up.

Keep in mind, Springfield has a good track record, of kids showing up early on in the season, then fading off as 2 a days come around. Lets hope KV can keep these kids coming out.

[GRPride86]

I hope Tallmadge has that many come out for Freshman ball. You need that many for exactly what you said. Some will fall by the wayside because of the hard work and others because of injury.

[nick9]

That is because you did not have a middle school program last year. Many parents cant get kids to practice so if they dont play for the school they dont play, good try. Also if we have 30 freshman I dont see the problem with numbers. If these kids quite or dont make grades it is probably SYFs fault. My prediction is in 2 years we will be looking for another High School coach our middle school team will be gone and 90% of you wont care what happens to the youth because your kids have moved on. D-bow said 19 8th graders going into 9th showed. Heres my thought on that. If we had 19 kids show up and only had 9 8th graders on youth varsity where did the other 8th grade 12 kids play. minus the 2 girls and Jeff our x QB which now lives in lake. That is one more strong example why the BYF will be the choice.To top it off Vaughn says at least 10 kids did not show up because they have prior engagements and babysitting there siblings. We should have actual numbers wed. .

[thepolster]

^^^^^

Is that 10 more (going to be) 9th graders didn't show up? Would that bring your numbers to around 30 for a freshman team?

If so, that's a great place to start. How can we put a ignore on this guy and talk about what improves our program without interruption?

[GRPride86]

Does Vaughn have any idea about the Soph, Junior or Senior numbers? Would be nice to have 20 or so for each grade.

[spartan71]

That is because you did not have a middle school program last year. Many parents cant get kids to practice so if they dont play for the school they dont play, good try. Also if we have 30 freshman I dont see the problem with numbers. If these kids quite or dont make grades it is probably SYFs fault. My prediction is in 2 years we will be looking for another High School coach our middle school team will be gone and 90% of you wont care what happens to the youth because your kids have moved on. of those that showed up how many got to play youth football or have previous training and realize what is coming in the form of 2 a days? 29 sounds good to me, only nick9 would see the negative in these numbers, my beef is think of how many would of showed if unlimited weight youth football would have been here 5 years ago do honestly think it would be lower? we cannot wait for unlimited weight youth in springfield any longer as i have said before who cares who has moved on in the future. true spartans will always be watching and hoping for the turn around to happen here...

by the way nick9 nice outlook on the HS coaching KV has been involved more in this offseason than most coaches were in their whole tenure ...ineligability is down thanks to KV and expectations are up for the first time in years.. and do you think if KV is only here for 2 years or so that the next coach will be against the youth moving to unlimited weight in the youth??? i think not i know if i were a HS coach it would be a goal of mine to have a BYF type of program it could only help keep the job not hurt...

[spartan71]

Does Vaughn have any idea about the Soph, Junior or Senior numbers? Would be nice to have 20 or so for each grade. i dont think they have those type of numbers for those classes but some kids who did not play in previous years for the HS are returning to the gridiron this season thanks to an active new HS staff.. things will not happen over night but they will happen we need to make the right choices on all levels here to make the turnaround reality..as i have said SYF was nice but the BYF will be great!!

[Irish87]

Does Vaughn have any idea about the Soph, Junior or Senior numbers? Would be nice to have 20 or so for each grade.


Again, historically, your Seniors usually have the smallest Class. If they can get 10 -12 Seniors to stick it out, 18- 20 Juniors and 20 - 22 Sophmores, I think that will be a good start. Obviously the more the better, but 40 -45 upper classman would be an improvement.

In 2 - 3 years, I could easily see 55 - 60 members on the Varsity Football Team.

[nick9]

You do know that in Green the High School numbers never increased because of BYF. Yes some kids that didnt think of ever playing played for a year or two and relized it wasnt for them. Your numbers will stay the same if the high school coach is doing recruiting then that is great. I understand everyone thinks something needs to change but this will solve nothing. By the way how many teams have 7th grade BYF team. of those that showed up how many got to play youth football or have previous training and realize what is coming in the form of 2 a days? 29 sounds good to me, only nick9 would see the negative in these numbers, my beef is think of how many would of showed if unlimited weight youth football would have been here 5 years ago do honestly think it would be lower? we cannot wait for unlimited weight youth in springfield any longer as i have said before who cares who has moved on in the future. true spartans will always be watching and hoping for the turn around to happen here...

by the way nick9 nice outlook on the HS coaching KV has been involved more in this offseason than most coaches were in their whole tenure ...ineligability is down thanks to KV and expectations are up for the first time in years.. and do you think if KV is only here for 2 years or so that the next coach will be against the youth moving to unlimited weight in the youth??? i think not i know if i were a HS coach it would be a goal of mine to have a BYF type of program it could only help keep the job not hurt...

[Irish87]

Nick,
at this point, I think the goal should be to get the numbers back to a reasonable level, similiar to the late 80's and 90's. Over the last 5 years, numbers have drastically decreased at the HS due to its lack of success and stability. Having an un-restricted weight limit League in no way shape or form, will hurt the numbers any worse. It is of our opinion, participation in Youth will increase which will have a ripple effect all the way up through the HS. KV is putting his pieces together and the Youth is trying to do its part by aggressively going after every kid in the Township, to get them out to play. Thats all we can do. Time will tell if BYF will help our community, but in our opinion, the time was now to make the switch.

If I'm not mistaken, there will be 9 Teams in BYF will have a 7th grade Team. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

[thepolster]

Does Vaughn have any idea about the Soph, Junior or Senior numbers? Would be nice to have 20 or so for each grade.

Dont know the breakdown but about 48 kids showed. Tomorrow they are going on a trip to akron U. I told him to read the post by hurlan and his crew, and the bring your own food comment. He asked if we could just ignore the syf comments and get the byf in full gear. He fully supports the byf. I will not reply to anymore syf comments, and make this forum the byf forum. Put the byf haters in your ignore roster. If you dont reply to them they will go away.

[nick9]

Hey boy I am not Hurland or one of his boys I am a parent that had problems with most people involved with BYF. The problems we had was with most of you involved how is things going to change. I do want to say I am sorry to most people on here I will support Springfield regardless but this Polster has kept this fight going with his mouth he made everything personal. Dont know the breakdown but about 48 kids showed. Tomorrow they are going on a trip to akron U. I told him to read the post by hurlan and his crew, and the bring your own food comment. He asked if we could just ignore the syf comments and get the byf in full gear. He fully supports the byf. I will not reply to anymore syf comments, and make this forum the byf forum. Put the byf haters in your ignore roster. If you dont reply to them they will go away.

[nick9]

We wont go away its about the kids not your kid. You put a whole organization in jepordy and you dont care you blame others?Hey boy I am not Hurland or one of his boys I am a parent that had problems with most people involved with BYF. The problems we had was with most of you involved how is things going to change. I heard the tape and you sounded like a little girl. You talk all cool hear but I have the proof of what kind of person you really are. I do want to say I am sorry to most people on here I will support Springfield regardless but this Polster idiot has kept this fight going with his mouth he made everything personal.

[nick9]

I talked to people in Green and the 9th grade has the same number as they have had the only difference is many good kids left because your last coach picked sides and people got pissed. Sounds familiar. Yea you are right there are more youth kids playing however the numbers are the same in middle and 9th grade that would be fact. You guys are like a reck league anyway and when some of the teams from the suburban play you guys it will show the differnce in leagues.
If it to eary to tell then why are you telling us how it will increase the high school when you dont even know. By the way didnt you start your split in 2003. This would be your 5th year check the facts because I did. You were in the North Canton League for 2 years 2 years in your made up league and this year. hey genious, BYF has only been around for 3 years, we're going into our 4th year. The first two our older kids numbers were low as we were just starting up. Its too early to tell what the HS numbers will be and you'll still have kids quiting up there as its hard to keep 80 kids that aren't playing. Check the overall youth numbers since BYF and report on something there with facts.

[GRPride86]

I have a feeling that there might be a little excitement with Springfield football this year. I think if the team sets a goal of getting the numbers up and winning just a couple of games, the program will be well on it's way to a major improvement.

Let's face it, you're not going to change everything over night and I don't think anyone has the idea that it is, but like the movie "What about Bob", you just need to take baby steps to get things rolling.

[thepolster]

I have a feeling that there might be a little excitement with Springfield football this year. I think if the team sets a goal of getting the numbers up and winning just a couple of games, the program will be well on it's way to a major improvement.

Let's face it, you're not going to change everything over night and I don't think anyone has the idea that it is, but like the movie "What about Bob", you just need to take baby steps to get things rolling. You got that right. Instead of kids leaving this year we have 3 transfer in. I think that it self is a good thing to hear. GRPride86 did your head H.S. coach join in with the BYF? I know a few that have.

[GRPride86]

I can't answer that one. I know that Sam had numerous conversations with Vass about joining a different league and got his thoughts on the entire situation before bringing it to the TYF board.

[thepolster]

FYI, I was there since the inception but you probably know more than me. 2 years in NCL, last year was our first since starting the BYFL. ANybody can shoot off at the mouth with NO facts, our 9th grade numbers were not down to any coach picking sides, in fact (check with our 9th grade coach) numbers were slightly up and the freshmen went undefeated, I believe they were scored on like 3-4 times?? Pick a game and come watch, BYF is coached by the same caliber dads that GYF is, no better, no worse, we put everything we have in it, our kids are the same caliber that GYF has, both are getting the best out of the age groups we're in, PERIOD. Don't come on here and bash our kids and coaching when you're FOS. BYF is the same caliber but with all kids playing!
Bass10, what kind of change have you seen at the o and d line. I was told at a meeting that you guys are going to have a average of 170 pnd freshmen this year

[bass10]

Bass10, what kind of change have you seen at the o and d line. I was told at a meeting that you guys are going to have a average of 170 pnd freshmen this year

Not real sure of the 2008 freshman class and I don't want to be misquoted like alot of the BYF naysayers on here. I will say this, last years freshman class probably averaged 220 on both lines...thats average, they were huge, we are looking forward to them as soph's. Not to kick a dead horse but how many of those lineman would even be better today if they had 6-7 years under their belt before their freshman year. Our 7th grade BYF teams (we'll probably have 2) will have several 155-185 lineman on both teams and they are horses. They've also had the opportunity to play the last 3 years, thank you BYF. You guys are going to absolutely love seeing these kids out there. Also, FYI, Northwest had a kid in 6th grader last year that played linebacker at 160#, he was a nice player, also he was from Manchester but couldn't play there, just thought I'd throw that in there for Panther...ask about him.

[thepolster]

Not real sure of the 2008 freshman class and I don't want to be misquoted like alot of the BYF naysayers on here. I will say this, last years freshman class probably averaged 220 on both lines...thats average, they were huge, we are looking forward to them as soph's. Not to kick a dead horse but how many of those lineman would even be better today if they had 6-7 years under their belt before their freshman year. Our 7th grade BYF teams (we'll probably have 2) will have several 155-185 lineman on both teams and they are horses. They've also had the opportunity to play the last 3 years, thank you BYF. You guys are going to absolutely love seeing these kids out there. Also, FYI, Northwest had a kid in 6th grader last year that played linebacker at 160#, he was a nice player, also he was from Manchester but couldn't play there, just thought I'd throw that in there for Panther...ask about him. How long did it take to see a impact from the byf . Or can you tell us when did your true feeder player which could not play for the reck league hit the 9th grade, and can your freshmen coaches see the skill difference from the player.

[GRPride86]

Polster,

STOP THE INSANITY!!!!!!

What are you doing asking such relavent questions? You act like you actually care about Springfield football.

[thepolster]

Polster,

STOP THE INSANITY!!!!!!

What are you doing asking such relavent questions? You act like you actually care about Springfield football. Just got a new shipment of prozac.

[bass10]

How long did it take to see a impact from the byf . Or can you tell us when did your true feeder player which could not play for the reck league hit the 9th grade, and can your freshmen coaches see the skill difference from the player.

I can't (so I won't speculate) say for sure. As all/most of us agree on it can't be a bad thing. You don't want your bigger kids walking the halls or carrying a tuba at any point, get them out early. Teaching them def. line moves, blocking assignments, gaps, pulling, etc., etc. at an early stage justs helps move them along. Also, get good coaches that make it FUN, along with the reality of how tough it is, so they know what to expect later.

[green1965champs]

How long did it take to see a impact from the byf . Or can you tell us when did your true feeder player which could not play for the reck league hit the 9th grade, and can your freshmen coaches see the skill difference from the player.
We finally have true linemen comming up through the middle school. These boys will stay together from 2nd thru 12th.

[Buckeye29]

That is because you did not have a middle school program last year. Many parents cant get kids to practice so if they dont play for the school they dont play, good try. Also if we have 30 freshman I dont see the problem with numbers. If these kids quite or dont make grades it is probably SYFs fault. My prediction is in 2 years we will be looking for another High School coach our middle school team will be gone and 90% of you wont care what happens to the youth because your kids have moved on.

Way to make your 20th post positive Bro! If you wouldn't let your kid play a sport that he wants to because it's a burden to you all I can say is, great parenting Dude!