KEVIN VAUGHN aka KV

[spartanmom12]

The man , the legend. Let me clear this whole myth up for you with three abbreviated letters. B.Y.F. Getting bamboozled was a big mistake by you syf guys. meet the reaper.

[Irish87]

The man , the legend. Let me clear this whole myth up for you with three abbreviated letters. B.Y.F. Getting bamboozled was a big mistake by you syf guys. meet the reaper.

I've read this like 10 times, and still can not figure out what your trying to get at. Care to explain?

[bullgreen06]

yea i have no idea what she is talking about?

[Smashmouth#1]

Don't waste your time, she wont respond, we all know that's how they operate.

[Harold & Kumar]

I do not understand either.

[spartanmom12]

I do not understand either. I cant figure it out either. I think it has something to do with breaking promises or something.

[Take It 2 Tha Bank]

Must be kind of like the Springfield community and their failure to properly support their schools, time and time again! Don't come on here and rip someone's name and not have anything to back it up, hillbilly!

[spartanmom12]

Must be kind of like the Springfield community and their failure to properly support their schools, time and time again! Don't come on here and rip someone's name and not have anything to back it up, hillbilly!
its billhilly!

[SPARTAN HOPE]

Must be kind of like the Springfield community and their failure to properly support their schools, time and time again! Don't come on here and rip someone's name and not have anything to back it up, hillbilly!

Stop insulting the Springfield community with comments like this just because one person gets on here and writes things you don't agree with or understand. If you don't live in Springfield, I am 100% positive you have no idea about the tax rate here and people don't want to give more money until things are straightened out in regards to how it is spent.

[GRPride86]

Bank,

Here are the rates for the surrounding School Districts

School District Mills

Hudson 86.25
Akron 71.66
Cuy Falls 69.88
Tallmadge 64.46
Twinsburg 61.45
Barberton 59.90
Springfield 47.85
Stow 45.93
Green 38.89

[Buckeye29]

Stop insulting the Springfield community with comments like this just because one person gets on here and writes things you don't agree with or understand. If you don't live in Springfield, I am 100% positive you have no idea about the tax rate here and people don't want to give more money until things are straightened out in regards to how it is spent.

How is any money being misspent? There's no money to misspend! The problem is that people have been threatened so many times about cuts and the like and then they don't really happen, so they don't care. The bottom line is that the majority of the people in Springfield DO NOT support the youth of the community and that's why levies won't pass. The schools have great teachers, but they will leave too if they can't get a raise every year just like every other person gets. I get a raise every year, and I would suspect that everyone that reads this does too, so why shouldn't the people that are charged with our childrens well being and learning?????? Wake up residents of Springfield before it's too late. Go look at the highschool building. It needs repairs! No one will do it for free! Unless you don't care if your property value drops through the basement and then Springfield can become the next Kenmore and all of you that refuse to vote for a levy will be stuck there because NO ONE will want to buy your house in the hood. SUPPORT THE KIDS and it will help you too!!!!!!!!

[bullgreen06]

springfield will not get it together before it is to late, they will soon be Akron public schools because the state will be taking over and it will cost the residents even more money but people dont get it...

[Harold & Kumar]

Nice post buck29. I couldn't agree more.

[wildcat62]

Bank,

Here are the rates for the surrounding School Districts

School District Mills

Hudson 86.25
Akron 71.66
Cuy Falls 69.88
Tallmadge 64.46
Twinsburg 61.45
Barberton 59.90
Springfield 47.85
Stow 45.93
Green 38.89


Millage is calculated differently in each municipality or township. More millage doesn't always equate to more money , and sometimes less millage can mean more money in actual dollars, depending on where the homeowner resides. Not :stirthepot: Just want to clear that up.

[Irish87]

How is any money being misspent? There's no money to misspend! The problem is that people have been threatened so many times about cuts and the like and then they don't really happen, so they don't care. The bottom line is that the majority of the people in Springfield DO NOT support the youth of the community and that's why levies won't pass. The schools have great teachers, but they will leave too if they can't get a raise every year just like every other person gets. I get a raise every year, and I would suspect that everyone that reads this does too, so why shouldn't the people that are charged with our childrens well being and learning?????? Wake up residents of Springfield before it's too late. Go look at the highschool building. It needs repairs! No one will do it for free! Unless you don't care if your property value drops through the basement and then Springfield can become the next Kenmore and all of you that refuse to vote for a levy will be stuck there because NO ONE will want to buy your house in the hood. SUPPORT THE KIDS and it will help you too!!!!!!!!

Good post Buckeye.
I myself, do not necessarily agree with the way we Finance our schools, but we need a fix now in Springfield. We can write all the letters we want to Columbus, stating our displeasure the way the State supoports them, but unfortunatley, there is no fix in the near future. By the time the state comes up with a better way, if they come up with a better way, our schools will be in ruins. I understand people are on a tight budget, but the only answer at this time, is to pass a Levy. It stinks I know, but we have gone on long enough without supporting the kids. Bite the bullet, change where you shop for food to "Save a Lot" if you must, but help our kids get the Education they deserve.

[SPARTAN HOPE]

Bank,

Here are the rates for the surrounding School Districts

School District Mills

Hudson 86.25
Akron 71.66
Cuy Falls 69.88
Tallmadge 64.46
Twinsburg 61.45
Barberton 59.90
Springfield 47.85
Stow 45.93
Green 38.89

That is just the school rates. The general rate per thousand dollar of value is much higher. You have no idea either!!!

[SPARTAN HOPE]

How is any money being misspent? There's no money to misspend! The problem is that people have been threatened so many times about cuts and the like and then they don't really happen, so they don't care. The bottom line is that the majority of the people in Springfield DO NOT support the youth of the community and that's why levies won't pass. The schools have great teachers, but they will leave too if they can't get a raise every year just like every other person gets. I get a raise every year, and I would suspect that everyone that reads this does too, so why shouldn't the people that are charged with our childrens well being and learning?????? Wake up residents of Springfield before it's too late. Go look at the highschool building. It needs repairs! No one will do it for free! Unless you don't care if your property value drops through the basement and then Springfield can become the next Kenmore and all of you that refuse to vote for a levy will be stuck there because NO ONE will want to buy your house in the hood. SUPPORT THE KIDS and it will help you too!!!!!!!!

I guess you didnt read the State's report on our school compared to other schools our size. Did you know that they said our school was over staffed by 22 teachers? There is your pay raise... There was a lot of other recommendations that they made. When I went to SHS we never had a head principle and two assistants...Think about it! I always vote for the levy even though my taxes are $2700.00 per year, but I will feel better when things are put in check.. Come on!

[GRPride86]

That is just the school rates. The general rate per thousand dollar of value is much higher. You have no idea either!!!


I know it's just the School Rates, that's what we were talking about. Guess what, everyone else's tax rates are higher than that to if you add in the City/Twp and County rates.

Here's a link to the official rates:

http://www.co.summit.oh.us/fiscaloffice/pdfs/full&effectivesummary2007.pdf

[RPM63]

I went back and added what one mill in each community raises for the school. It is amazing the differnces.

School District Mills One mill Raises

Hudson 86.25 943,463.30
Akron 71.66 3,135,263.64
Cuy Falls 69.88 835,415.81
Tallmadge 64.46 443,817.36
Twinsburg 61.45 951,431.85
Barberton 59.90 464,138.8
Springfield 47.85 436,729.45
Stow 45.93 979,998.61
Green 38.89 706,634.37

[spartan71]

wow thanks rpm that gives me a better perspective and understanding, we are the lowest, i think our demographic and school mismanagement in the past are to blame for this, for every younger voter voting yes there are 3 bluehairs voting no. it will pass in the next 2 years (bold prediction) but that still leaves us with crap facilities and just try to pass a building levy here, i wish Springfield the best, me and mine will not be here to see the turnaround we have decided to leave the township.

[Buckeye29]

I guess you didnt read the State's report on our school compared to other schools our size. Did you know that they said our school was over staffed by 22 teachers? There is your pay raise... There was a lot of other recommendations that they made. When I went to SHS we never had a head principle and two assistants...Think about it! I always vote for the levy even though my taxes are $2700.00 per year, but I will feel better when things are put in check.. Come on!

If you think a state report on what a school system can get by with is good enough for your kids I feel sorry for them. I also went to SHS, graduated in 1987, and not only did we have a head principle, we had three assistant principles. Tell me what you believe is not in check with how money is spent. It seems like every one has the answers, but I never hear them. I give you credit for voting for the levies and supporting the kids. Just don't believe everything you read in a state report. They're looking for a minimum. It probably said that athletics are not necessary either, or art, or music(band). Do you really want the kids to go without that stuff too because the "state report" says they can. I don't want to get down on you because we need more guys like you to support the kids. Just think about what you're reading.

[Shiloh]

If you think a state report on what a school system can get by with is good enough for your kids I feel sorry for them. I also went to SHS, graduated in 1987, and not only did we have a head principle, we had three assistant principles. Tell me what you believe is not in check with how money is spent. It seems like every one has the answers, but I never hear them. I give you credit for voting for the levies and supporting the kids. Just don't believe everything you read in a state report. They're looking for a minimum. It probably said that athletics are not necessary either, or art, or music(band). Do you really want the kids to go without that stuff too because the "state report" says they can. I don't want to get down on you because we need more guys like you to support the kids. Just think about what you're reading.

Good post.
They've cut something like 40-50 teachers the past 2 years. And I read that they dont get raises, or have only gotten 1 raise in the past 4 -5 years.
Any fix is gonna take the school board, teachers, parents and community working together.

[Young Spartan Nation]

Why do you think the state recommended that the school should not go to the tax payers for more money? If people feel that things are being audited and checked they will be more willing to vote for a levy. There are a lot of older people here and they vote "no" not because they don't want to support the kids, its because some of them have to choose between taxes and paying for their meds or food. The bottom line is the problem is the way the state funds the school system. It should not be on the backs of the property owners alone. There are a lot more variables in all of this than any of us know about, it is now always give more money....I believe from reading and watching the meetings that after things are balanced, we will start to see things return to normal for our children.

[Buckeye29]

Like I said before, it's not just the older people in the community that are defeating the levies. There are a lot of people with kids in the school system that aren't on meds and stuff that have told me they will never vote for a levy. If everybody with kids in school in Springfield would support the levy it would pass every time. That's a fact. I don't blame the older people for not voting for them. I do think if they were really concerned with things like property value they would vote for them. The problem, I believe, is rummers get started about school money being used for road repairs and stuff, and people believe that nonsense. The bottom line is WE NEED TO SUPPORT THE KIDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The other thing is, if Akron comes in and takes over taxes are probably going to go up and the schools will be worse. Some Akron schools don't teach science, or social studies because the "state" doesn't require it. Is this really what we want for Springfield???????

[chopblock]

Young nation, I agree the schools need funded some other way, but voting down levies only hurts the schools (kids). You are right about the state minimums and Springfield is almost there, but is that what you want for your kids. Right now the elementaries do not have art, music or gym on a regular basis during the week(they had gym for 6 weeks when school began and don't have it again the rest of the year. Some days the elementary kids don't leave the classroom except to eat lunch(if it is too bad to go outside) they are in their chairs the entire day. Almost all elective classes have been taken out of the jr. high and high school. Extra curriculars and sports have been cut or pay to participate. That is what the state calls its checks and balances. If you feel a 6-12 year old doesn't need art, music or gym then you are getting your moneys worth from the state being in your school system.

[Buckeye29]

Young nation, I agree the schools need funded some other way, but voting down levies only hurts the schools (kids). You are right about the state minimums and Springfield is almost there, but is that what you want for your kids. Right now the elementaries do not have art, music or gym on a regular basis during the week(they had gym for 6 weeks when school began and don't have it again the rest of the year. Some days the elementary kids don't leave the classroom except to eat lunch(if it is too bad to go outside) they are in their chairs the entire day. Almost all elective classes have been taken out of the jr. high and high school. Extra curriculars and sports have been cut or pay to participate. That is what the state calls its checks and balances. If you feel a 6-12 year old doesn't need art, music or gym then you are getting your moneys worth from the state being in your school system.

Exactly!!!! You speak the truth!!!

[Ram56]

Young nation, I agree the schools need funded some other way, but voting down levies only hurts the schools (kids). You are right about the state minimums and Springfield is almost there, but is that what you want for your kids. Right now the elementaries do not have art, music or gym on a regular basis during the week(they had gym for 6 weeks when school began and don't have it again the rest of the year. Some days the elementary kids don't leave the classroom except to eat lunch(if it is too bad to go outside) they are in their chairs the entire day. Almost all elective classes have been taken out of the jr. high and high school. Extra curriculars and sports have been cut or pay to participate. That is what the state calls its checks and balances. If you feel a 6-12 year old doesn't need art, music or gym then you are getting your moneys worth from the state being in your school system.

I have been reading this for quite some time I don't reply often but you are wrong when you say that these kids are sitting in there chairs all day long. I volunteer my time on a regular basis at one of these elementary schools. To set the record straight. The first half of the year the elementary had gym & music. The second half they have art. As for them not getting to go out for lunch because it is to cold yes that is true but the teachers at this elementary try to make sure they go to the gym for 20-30 minutes or to computer class during these weeks or days. Schrop had Art & Music the first half of the year and Gym the 2nd half of the year. I do know this for a fact both of my children attend these schools.

[chopblock]

Ram, I too know one of these elementaries. AT this elementary art is once a week and music is once a week. That leaves 3 days the students do not have a special. Computer class and extra gym time is only due to the teacher choosing to schedule it and taking their own students to the gym and computer lab. With these state minimums come less help and more kids in a classroom and a shorter school day for the students. Thank goodness for the teachers who are willing to do the extras while the levies get voted down time and time again.

[thepolster]

Ram, I too know one of these elementaries. AT this elementary art is once a week and music is once a week. That leaves 3 days the students do not have a special. Computer class and extra gym time is only due to the teacher choosing to schedule it and taking their own students to the gym and computer lab. With these state minimums come less help and more kids in a classroom and a shorter school day for the students. Thank goodness for the teachers who are willing to do the extras while the levies get voted down time and time again. Maybe the teachers should get with it and form some kind of organization and get out the vote. Just hanging signs in school windows aint gonna get it done. Voters need to understand that there money isnt being misspent. Make everything transparent as possible.

[Harold & Kumar]

Polster nice idea :going door to door informing people and registering them to vote. Opening up buildings for informational meetings and having evenings show casing students work with informational tables available. Having teachers and administrators splitting up the district and calling homes reminding people to vote. Dropping off yard signs to people that call and ask. Worked with parents setting up teas in the evenings to get out information. All this was done in the evenings outside of the work day. What more should the teachers of Springfield do?.

[Buckeye29]

I don't know if putting this all on the teachers is a good idea. I know some teachers and generally in the evenings they are either grading papers or making lesson plans. They put a lot of time in already out of the class room in the interest of the kids. You spread them too thin and I think the kids will suffer. You can give people all the information you want, but if people can't, or won't, think rationally they will continue to vote them down. To me, this sounds like "passing the buck". You might as well say the janitors, or the bus drivers, or the lunch ladies should get out there and get voters. The teachers are employees of the school system just like all these people. Let's quit blaming teachers because they are easy targets.

[Tressel4Prez]

Good posts Buckeye and H&K!

[thepolster]

Polster nice idea :going door to door informing people and registering them to vote. Opening up buildings for informational meetings and having evenings show casing students work with informational tables available. Having teachers and administrators splitting up the district and calling homes reminding people to vote. Dropping off yard signs to people that call and ask. Worked with parents setting up teas in the evenings to get out information. All this was done in the evenings outside of the work day. What more should the teachers of Springfield do?.
get out the vote to the right people. Were do I join?

[thepolster]

I don't know if putting this all on the teachers is a good idea. I know some teachers and generally in the evenings they are either grading papers or making lesson plans. They put a lot of time in already out of the class room in the interest of the kids. You spread them too thin and I think the kids will suffer. You can give people all the information you want, but if people can't, or won't, think rationally they will continue to vote them down. To me, this sounds like "passing the buck". You might as well say the janitors, or the bus drivers, or the lunch ladies should get out there and get voters. The teachers are employees of the school system just like all these people. Let's quit blaming teachers because they are easy targets.
not blaming the teachers 29, just getting a fire started. all you hear, are people complaining like a bunch of kids. I just raised money for the jr high ball program and now we are going to have three more events to raise money to insure the jr high and the 8th graders going into 9th will not have to pay. Its going to be like a freekin crazy movement of some kind. We are going to drain every resorce in this community to support spartan nation .Mark my words Jim, we are here to make a strong comeback for all our kids. More and more people want to help and I am even begging for it. I dont know school politics well but i do know sneeky people who love to act like they are here for the kids but really not. You know the ones, talk all this cry baby stuff just to get a rise out of someone else.

[Buckeye29]

not blaming the teachers 29, just getting a fire started. all you hear, are people complaining like a bunch of kids. I just raised money for the jr high ball program and now we are going to have three more events to raise money to insure the jr high and the 8th graders going into 9th will not have to pay. Its going to be like a freekin crazy movement of some kind. We are going to drain every resorce in this community to support spartan nation .Mark my words Jim, we are here to make a strong comeback for all our kids. More and more people want to help and I am even begging for it. I dont know school politics well but i do know sneeky people who love to act like they are here for the kids but really not. You know the ones, talk all this cry baby stuff just to get a rise out of someone else.

I agree with you 110%!!!! Springfield needs more guys like you. Whether, or not, people agree with your opinions, they can't say anything about your dedication to the kids. I see that on both sides of the bfy-syf debate. There are good guys on both sides!!!! I totally lost track of the hold em tournament. I wish I could have been there. How did it go? Are you going to have another one? Definately let me know. Are you taking your boys to the speed camp that Irish is putting on? It sounds like it should be a good camp for the kids. I'm taking my boys. Anyways, I'd love to see Springfield turn it around. Keep up the good fight!

[Irish87]

I have been reading this for quite some time I don't reply often but you are wrong when you say that these kids are sitting in there chairs all day long. I volunteer my time on a regular basis at one of these elementary schools. To set the record straight. The first half of the year the elementary had gym & music. The second half they have art. As for them not getting to go out for lunch because it is to cold yes that is true but the teachers at this elementary try to make sure they go to the gym for 20-30 minutes or to computer class during these weeks or days. Schrop had Art & Music the first half of the year and Gym the 2nd half of the year. I do know this for a fact both of my children attend these schools.

Ram,

I don't doubt what you say is true, because you are in the Building at times, but your key word in your statement was "try". As Chopblock stated, not all teachers put forth this effort. Its a fact, they cut out Recess for all 5th and 6th graders correct? These kids need a release, from the everyday nose to the grindstone routine. Let them be kids. let them get outside, or in the gym to release some of the built up stress from sitting in a desk for 5 - 6 hours. I mean, with all this talk in the world about kids being overweight these days, how do you justify cutting out 35 minutes of recess every day?

The cutting of classes will continue until we find money. Pass a Levy people!!!

[Ram56]

Ram,

I don't doubt what you say is true, because you are in the Building at times, but your key word in your statement was "try". As Chopblock stated, not all teachers put forth this effort. Its a fact, they cut out Recess for all 5th and 6th graders correct? These kids need a release, from the everyday nose to the grindstone routine. Let them be kids. let them get outside, or in the gym to release some of the built up stress from sitting in a desk for 5 - 6 hours. I mean, with all this talk in the world about kids being overweight these days, how do you justify cutting out 35 minutes of recess every day?

The cutting of classes will continue until we find money. Pass a Levy people!!!

Irish,
I do agree with what your saying. My response was that the kids do not sit in there chairs all day long is not always true. I'm a very loyal voter for this school system. I don't agree that they took the recesses away at Schrop either. I understand that these kids need releases my two boys defiantely need the recess. I wish there was a way for us to find funding. But our schools do have some really great teachers and they also know that these kids need to go out and just let some of the energy get out of their systems. Yes if it is the teachers own decision to let them out and some teachers don't well shame on those teachers.
I agree Pass a Levy People!!!

[The real Spartan.]

I agree with you 110%!!!! Springfield needs more guys like you. Whether, or not, people agree with your opinions, they can't say anything about your dedication to the kids. I see that on both sides of the bfy-syf debate. There are good guys on both sides!!!! I totally lost track of the hold em tournament. I wish I could have been there. How did it go? Are you going to have another one? Definately let me know. Are you taking your boys to the speed camp that Irish is putting on? It sounds like it should be a good camp for the kids. I'm taking my boys. Anyways, I'd love to see Springfield turn it around. Keep up the good fight! i would just like to say, that i have lived in the twp for a long time. never have i seen it so divided and down on its luck. if you go back to one of my first posts, you will see i have supported the twp, schools etc. i don't want to pay more money, but if means better for my children and their friends, my neighbors. then i am going to do it. i think the people of the twp needs to get off their duffs and get their priorities straight. we have to get back on track stop bickering over the dumbest stuff. the twp is a good place to live regardless of what other people say, they don't live here we do. we make it what it is. but there is not enough supporting it right now, meaning the schools , sports program.

[Buckeye29]

i would just like to say, that i have lived in the twp for a long time. never have i seen it so divided and down on its luck. if you go back to one of my first posts, you will see i have supported the twp, schools etc. i don't want to pay more money, but if means better for my children and their friends, my neighbors. then i am going to do it. i think the people of the twp needs to get off their duffs and get their priorities straight. we have to get back on track stop bickering over the dumbest stuff. the twp is a good place to live regardless of what other people say, they don't live here we do. we make it what it is. but there is not enough supporting it right now, meaning the schools , sports program.

GREAT POST!!!!! I couldn't agree more!:Party: :Party: :Party: