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Irish87
03-10-08, 12:30 PM
Sign Ups for Springfield Suburban Youth Football and Cheerleading will be held again, this weekend at the High School Administration Building from Noon to 2:00 PM.
March 15 and 16
www.ssyf.org
Next sign up is Tuesday May 27 at Springfield Senior Center 6-8pm.
Please bring
- COPY OF BIRTH CERTIFICATE
- 2 RECENT PHOTOS ( Will not be returned)
NEW 2008
Weight limits: V=138, JV=130, A=120, B=120, C=120
Registration Fee: Single child $65.00 – multiple child $50.00 per child.
Varsity & JV Football and Cheer players play for free!!
Questions?
Call - Hurland Parker 330-703-0394 or 330-733-2243
SPARTANPRIDE
05-19-08, 10:04 AM
IRISH NICE JOB
The turn out for sign ups was great nice to see so many boys signing up in the month of May . In the 14 years i've been involved with spartan football i've never seen so many this early so eager to get started. The small kids seem to be happy to see their big friends sign up and play football with them.
keep up the great job.. ONCE AGAIN NICE JOB
Springfield Spartan Youth Football
GO BUCKEYE YOUTH FOOTBALL (THE ONE IN ONLY YOUTH FOOTBALL LEAGUE)
spartan71
05-19-08, 10:26 AM
IRISH NICE JOB
The turn out for sign ups was great nice to see so many boys signing up in the month of May . In the 14 years i've been involved with spartan football i've never seen so many this early so eager to get started. The small kids seem to be happy to see their big friends sign up and play football with them.
keep up the great job.. ONCE AGAIN NICE JOB
Springfield Spartan Youth Football
GO BUCKEYE YOUTH FOOTBALL (THE ONE IN ONLY YOUTH FOOTBALL LEAGUE)
wow i heard there was an awesome turn out this weekend.. i believe the people of springfield are showing what their choice for the future is.....:)
The weight limits are for the FANTASY Football league. Not the REAL Football league.
Irish87
05-19-08, 10:46 AM
Bass,
there was a decision by some people of the community, to have 2 Leagues in the Township. SYF is the un-restricted weight limit League and SSYF is the old weight restriction League. Hope that clears things up.
thepolster
05-19-08, 10:52 AM
Awesome job on the camp again Irish. Follow the light, stay away from the dark side. I heard the turn-out was great. Little Larry missed sign-ups due to sickness, so we will be there to support the Springfield Buckeye youth conference anyway we can.
Irish87
05-19-08, 11:03 AM
The next Registration for Springfield Youth Football members of the Buckeye Youth Football League will be June 14 - 15, but if anyone wants to sign up earlier, I will gladly make a house call to Register your child in person, at your location. If you hear of anybody, let me know and I'll make arrangements.
Bass,
there was a decision by some people of the community, to have 2 Leagues in the Township. SYF is the un-restricted weight limit League and SSYF is the old weight restriction League. Hope that clears things up.
The SSYF league has been played in the township for years and never left the community.
Irish87
05-19-08, 02:49 PM
Not sure where I said SSYF ever left.
I was simply pointing out and clarifying that there are 2 Leagues in the Township now. Didn't mean anything by my statement.
spartan71
05-19-08, 02:55 PM
we were in the suburban youth football league until the springfield youth football board meeting in march when everyone on the board voted to switch leagues unanimously to allow all kids to play. we are here for the kids of springfield township and their future not for the future of the suburban youth football league its just a league they will survive without springfield and we will prosper under the buckeye youth football confrence format it is a true feeder system where no kid will be left behind because of weight or ability.
BYF may offer a place for a couple of 6th graders to play that may be over SSYF weight requirements but what about the light 7th & 8th graders? IF there is a Jr Jigh team (never sure what will happen there) being on the team doesn't mean they get to play the game and at least with SSYF they can play even if the Jr High dosen't have a team. This leaves a choice open for the parents and kids. With BYF you are left at the mercy of the school programs - is it really better to have the players and cheerleaders idle for a year?
SSpartans
05-19-08, 03:26 PM
Does anybody know where the Suburban Youth Football field is? I heard it was not going to be in the Township is this true?
BYF may offer a place for a couple of 6th graders to play that may be over SSYF weight requirements but what about the light 7th & 8th graders? IF there is a Jr Jigh team (never sure what will happen there) being on the team doesn't mean they get to play the game and at least with SSYF they can play even if the Jr High dosen't have a team. This leaves a choice open for the parents and kids. With BYF you are left at the mercy of the school programs - is it really better to have the players and cheerleaders idle for a year?
SP6, Manchester youth had 8 kids playing in other communities (fact) not to mention how many chose not to play period because of weight restrictions. So I doubt it will only effect a couple of 6th graders being Springfield is much larger than them. BYF has a 7th grade only league so kids have an option to play on the 8th grade jr. high team or wait until they're in the 8th grade. Once again no kids should not be able to play the greatest sport in America!!!!
spartan71
05-19-08, 03:39 PM
7th graders will be syf/byf also. there were 2 reasons we had no jh team last year: pay to play and springfield suburban youth football, the combo of the 2 brought their numbers down to the unable to field a team point.... we need to work in a program where there is no conflict for players between youth and J.H. and our chance is here now why wait what for??? really? why?:shrug:
i hear what your saying i've been down that line of thought and suburban youth works for schools like mogadore which has no J.H. program or green and C.F. or stow who have a ton of kids, we do not so every kid we can teach to play football in springfield at the youth level needs to be able to play period it just that simple the rest of it as far as i am concerned is just politics.
Bass, You said it all when you said they woud have to wait and in Springfield they may have to wait until High School which in a lot of cases is too late for the smaller (late bloomers) and they loose the opportunity. I guess it depends on the parent and if they want to put all of their faith in the school programs - I havn't heard of Machester going through the "jerking around" that the schools have done to Springfield kids.
BYF may offer a place for a couple of 6th graders to play that may be over SSYF weight requirements but what about the light 7th & 8th graders? IF there is a Jr Jigh team (never sure what will happen there) being on the team doesn't mean they get to play the game and at least with SSYF they can play even if the Jr High dosen't have a team. This leaves a choice open for the parents and kids. With BYF you are left at the mercy of the school programs - is it really better to have the players and cheerleaders idle for a year?
They will have to deal with it. How many kids have been idle for many years because of the weight restrictions of the ssyf. Now they get into Jr. High and don't have a clue about how to play the game.
They way I see it alot of the kids that play in syf will not even play in high school. Either because they don't want to, or they will finally see what its like to be across the line from a 260 to 300 pound lineman and decide its not for them. So now you have all the kids that have no football experience at all trying to catch up for all the of the years that they had to sit out because they were too big to play with the smaller boys. I'm not sure, but I don't think the BYF is going to tell 80 pound Johnny that he can't play be cause he is too little. syf don't give the big kids the same consideration.
In BYF there is a place for everyone. And it will work toward turning our High School team around. I look forward to the day when the name Springfield Spartans is a name to be proud of and feared and not laughed at.
SSpartans
05-19-08, 03:54 PM
Where could this new field be?
spartan71
05-19-08, 04:00 PM
BYF may offer a place for a couple of 6th graders to play that may be over SSYF weight requirements but what about the light 7th & 8th graders? IF there is a Jr Jigh team (never sure what will happen there) being on the team doesn't mean they get to play the game and at least with SSYF they can play even if the Jr High dosen't have a team. This leaves a choice open for the parents and kids. With BYF you are left at the mercy of the school programs - is it really better to have the players and cheerleaders idle for a year? there is no manditory participation rule for jv or varsity in suburban youth either i have seen many kids not play in a close jv or varsity games here in springfield under suburban youth, and as for a couple of 6th graders getting a place to play try around 10 kids over 160lbs signed up for syf just this weekend alone i was suprised to hear that i thought it may take time but these kids were obviously waiting for their shot to play a shot they never would of recieved under a weight restricted league. the smaller players of the league will shine with linemen like this opening holes for them.. i'm getting goose bumps just thinking about it!! this is football its going to be great and in 4 or 5 years when the high school starts to reap the rewards of the new direction we are headed in, well lets not get ahead of ourselves you know what a difference a good line in football makes.:cool:
They will have to deal with it. How many kids have been idle for many years because of the weight restrictions of the ssyf. Now they get into Jr. High and don't have a clue about how to play the game.
They way I see it alot of the kids that play in syf will not even play in high school. Either because they don't want to, or they will finally see what its like to be across the line from a 260 to 300 pound lineman and decide its not for them. So now you have all the kids that have no football experience at all trying to catch up for all the of the years that they had to sit out because they were too big to play with the smaller boys. I'm not sure, but I don't think the BYF is going to tell 80 pound Johnny that he can't play be cause he is too little. syf don't give the big kids the same consideration.
In BYF there is a place for everyone. And it will work toward turning our High School team around. I look forward to the day when the name Springfield Spartans is a name to be proud of and feared and not laughed at.
Hopefully everyone is looking for the day we can be proud of the accoplishment that Springfield has made (not so sure after some of these posts). SSYF has made accomodations for the larger young kids and held back on the older kids because hopefully they play at the school. I don't see where BYF gives anyone anything more than turning the kids over to the mercy of the school system?
spartan71
05-19-08, 04:24 PM
Hopefully everyone is looking for the day we can be proud of the accoplishment that Springfield has made (not so sure after some of these posts). SSYF has made accomodations for the larger young kids and held back on the older kids because hopefully they play at the school. I don't see where BYF gives anyone anything more than turning the kids over to the mercy of the school system? :rolleyes: that where your wrong the syf/byf will remain it own entity just as springfield subrban youth is your argument is not a good one and is agenda driven :welcome: to the new SPARTAN NATION it will be bigger and badder than ever!!
Bass, You said it all when you said they woud have to wait and in Springfield they may have to wait until High School which in a lot of cases is too late for the smaller (late bloomers) and they loose the opportunity. I guess it depends on the parent and if they want to put all of their faith in the school programs - I havn't heard of Machester going through the "jerking around" that the schools have done to Springfield kids.
U misunderstood, I said they could play 8th grade ball as a 7th grader (or BYFL) or wait until they're in the 8th grade to play. If Springfield has no Jr. high 8th grade team then u need to pass your levy. This would be a problem only for springfield. Also why is it ok for the late bloomers that you say may lose out but its ok for the big kids to lose out. Trust me I've lived it, the smaller, more athletic kids more than hold their own thru & thru. I'm not trying to argue here I just want U to look at this with an open mind. If U see the bigger kids on the field and don't absolutely love what you see then I'm missing something in America's GREATEST sport.
Hopefully everyone is looking for the day we can be proud of the accoplishment that Springfield has made (not so sure after some of these posts). SSYF has made accomodations for the larger young kids and held back on the older kids because hopefully they play at the school. I don't see where BYF gives anyone anything more than turning the kids over to the mercy of the school system?
Accomodations?????????????? Oh you mean the two choices that kids and parents have?
1. Your kid fights to loose a few pounds so he can play with his peers. While all of his team mates are learning how to run a screen play, he is running laps in a trash bag so he can make wieght to even walk out onto the field. I ve seen boys make themselves sick to the point that they can't play on game day or if they can play, their strength and energy is so low that they don't preform to standdard and then they are labled as a bad player.
2. The other option? Take a 10 year old and put him on a team with 12 and 13 year old boys. That's called "bench accomodations". What 10 year old do you know that can play with kids that have 2 or more years experience. No One I know.
syf has never made proper accomodations for kids that don't make weight, all they have done is made them feel like outcasts.
SP6, mercy of the school sytem? It sounds like to me you have a problem with the school system not the youth organization. Change is good! What SSYF has done for the last 10 years OBVIOUSLY isn't working. Cuy.Falls better move forward soon as well look how pathetic their HS program has been for years and they're the biggest district in this area???
Yes we do have a problem with the school system. We HAVE to think of the whole problem.If you think only of the youth system and not the impact of the school system you may be leading a bissful life in Tallmadge - oops not Tallmadge they are just getting a taste of what Springfield kids have been going through although they may not have eliminated recess or closed thir librarys yet.
thepolster
05-19-08, 05:38 PM
Oh where O where could this new field be...I dont know..Suburban Youth dont know....The other 2 kids dont know....Who knows......:shrug: Its at the kings house in manchester/green
thepolster
05-19-08, 05:49 PM
Yes we do have a problem with the school system. We HAVE to think of the whole problem.If you think only of the youth system and not the impact of the school system you may be leading a bissful life in Tallmadge - oops not Tallmadge they are just getting a taste of what Springfield kids have been going through although they may not have eliminated recess or closed thir librarys yet.
hahahahahahahahaahhaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahah a! I have been in here telling you guys for a year that byf plays all children. I can honestly say we have the best coaches money does not buy and guys who have a great vision to take our community to a new level. Thanks ED, KEVIN M, JOE M, KEVIN V,JOE D, SCOTT F, STUBBS, TINA M, SHACKLEFORD,DOUG W,AND ESPECIALLY DON SCHULTZ FOR BRINGING A VISION TO SPRINGFIELD. I would also like to give a shout out to all the tallmadge, Manchester, ellet coaches who gave time to listen and make the biggest decision which will also benefit there communities. I don't know who are the defectors and I`m sorry if I missed some of the coaches. People mistake me as being part of the league. My background does not allow me that so all I can do is sit back and laugh. Thanks again hope someone clears up the missing coaches.
hahahahahahahahaahhaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahah a! I have been in here telling you guys for a year that byf plays all children. I can honestly say we have the best coaches money does not buy and guys who have a great vision to take our community to a new level. Thanks ED, KEVIN M, JOE M, KEVIN V,JOE D, SCOTT F, STUBBS, TINA M, SHACKLEFORD,DOUG W,AND ESPECIALLY DON SCHULTZ FOR BRINGING A VISION TO SPRINGFIELD. I would also like to give a shout out to all the tallmadge, Manchester, ellet coaches who gave time to listen and make the biggest decision which will also benefit there communities. I don't know who are the defectors and I`m sorry if I missed some of the coaches. People mistake me as being part of the league. My background does not allow me that so all I can do is sit back and laugh. Thanks again hope someone clears up the missing coaches.
BYF Can't claim to play any more children than SSYF. They both have pros and cons - BYF - loose small 8th grade players and cheerleaders but gain heavies- BYF - loose flag players but those won't return just like Springfield has lost enrollment. No matter what league is in town hats off to all the coaches and supporters that try to help including all of the people you menioned above plus many many more that help these programs.
thepolster
05-19-08, 09:25 PM
BYF Can't claim to play any more children than SSYF. They both have pros and cons - BYF - loose small 8th grade players and cheerleaders but gain heavies- BYF - loose flag players but those won't return just like Springfield has lost enrollment. No matter what league is in town hats off to all the coaches and supporters that try to help including all of the people you menioned above plus many many more that help these programs.
Your telling me that the three biggest school districts have the same info you have and decided to go down the wrong path because they feel its time to bring down there communities? You should go study Lakes football program, they don't even play other districts because of the prosperity that unlimited weight has done for there community. All the good d2 schools have brought this program or something similar to the table and succeeded with more success than the suburban rec league can provide. This wasn't a last minute deal, coach I told me personally in front of other people he would resign if we did not go to black stripe. Kevin Vaughn our new director and head coach insisted we should take this path and not fall behind the other schools. I said it earlier many many months ago, the suburban youth should of acted quicker to the demands of not just our high school but other high school coaches with there hands tied not being able to perform with 180pnd linemen. The suburban youth hasn't produced a decent linemen ever. Oh yea before you say the Jr high should of , but what about the 5 or 6 years they miss because they cant make the rec leagues weight restrictions. Our main problem at the high school is linemen. I seen Irish go bananas when his boy was being pressured before he got the dam snap. If our Spartans are going to succeed we must provide our Jr high with the biggest non stunted growth kids possible. Go have a chat with Kevin Vaughn and his staff and let them break it down for you.
AWSOME POLSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ABSOLUTELY AWSOME!:clap: :clap:
Your telling me that the three biggest school districts have the same info you have and decided to go down the wrong path because they feel its time to bring down there communities? You should go study Lakes football program, they don't even play other districts because of the prosperity that unlimited weight has done for there community. All the good d2 schools have brought this program or something similar to the table and succeeded with more success than the suburban rec league can provide. This wasn't a last minute deal, coach I told me personally in front of other people he would resign if we did not go to black stripe. Kevin Vaughn our new director and head coach insisted we should take this path and not fall behind the other schools. I said it earlier many many months ago, the suburban youth should of acted quicker to the demands of not just our high school but other high school coaches with there hands tied not being able to perform with 180pnd linemen. The suburban youth hasn't produced a decent linemen ever. Oh yea before you say the Jr high should of , but what about the 5 or 6 years they miss because they cant make the rec leagues weight restrictions. Our main problem at the high school is linemen. I seen Irish go bananas when his boy was being pressured before he got the dam snap. If our Spartans are going to succeed we must provide our Jr high with the biggest non stunted growth kids possible. Go have a chat with Kevin Vaughn and his staff and let them break it down for you.
Not saying that at all but, I don't believe the largest of the three left suburban because they wanted to.
GRPride86
05-19-08, 11:45 PM
Tallmadge and Manchester did.
Irish87
05-20-08, 08:00 AM
What SSYF has done for the last 10 years OBVIOUSLY isn't working. Cuy.Falls better move forward soon as well look how pathetic their HS program has been for years and they're the biggest district in this area???
Bass,
I agree with most of your Posts and Comments, except this one. SSYF has had successful Teams over the last 10 years and more. It is not the fault of SSYF, that the High School Team has struggled. I will not go into this issue again, but trust me, the SSYF has sent the Jr High and High School well coached and athletic Football players. What happens after that can not be blamed on the Youth program.
BYF Can't claim to play any more children than SSYF. They both have pros and cons - BYF - loose small 8th grade players and cheerleaders but gain heavies- BYF - loose flag players but those won't return just like Springfield has lost enrollment. No matter what league is in town hats off to all the coaches and supporters that try to help including all of the people you menioned above plus many many more that help these programs.
They don't lose the small 8th graders. They don't offer anything to 8th graders...hence a feeder system to the HS program. HS want these kids playing Jr. high ball. My freshman year, after playing SYFL I had to open field tackle a 200# fullback, I was 115#. I did it, got my bell rung and moved on...this is football, how long do you want to shield kids from the reality of what its going to be? Once again you're saying its ok to lose many big kids but its not ok to lose small 8th graders???
Bass,
I agree with most of your Posts and Comments, except this one. SSYF has had successful Teams over the last 10 years and more. It is not the fault of SSYF, that the High School Team has struggled. I will not go into this issue again, but trust me, the SSYF has sent the Jr High and High School well coached and athletic Football players. What happens after that can not be blamed on the Youth program.
Didn't meen to imply the youth program has failed or been coached poorly. I meant the HS program has not been sucessful for the past 10 years. Which translates to what I believe is not getting enough numbers to the HS program. The kids that are 160-170 6-7th graders are going to be your 200+ pounders in HS. We all know this is what you HAVE to have. I agree totally that SYF has sent many quality kids to HS. And yes the program there needs alot of work, head coach consistency is a good place to start. I definitely didn't meen to imply the youth program was to blame for the HS's mess.
Irish87
05-20-08, 09:56 AM
Didn't meen to imply the youth program has failed or been coached poorly. I meant the HS program has not been sucessful for the past 10 years. Which translates to what I believe is not getting enough numbers to the HS program. The kids that are 160-170 6-7th graders are going to be your 200+ pounders in HS. We all know this is what you HAVE to have. I agree totally that SYF has sent many quality kids to HS. And yes the program there needs alot of work, head coach consistency is a good place to start. I definitely didn't meen to imply the youth program was to blame for the HS's mess.
No harm, no foul. As you can see, I'm fairly sensitive about that issue.
thepolster
05-20-08, 10:52 AM
D.W, laskos says 300 will be fine and we need 40 for the press box and 40 for my shop and call ed to see if they need any at schrop. Call me fruity
They don't lose the small 8th graders. They don't offer anything to 8th graders...hence a feeder system to the HS program. HS want these kids playing Jr. high ball. My freshman year, after playing SYFL I had to open field tackle a 200# fullback, I was 115#. I did it, got my bell rung and moved on...this is football, how long do you want to shield kids from the reality of what its going to be? Once again you're saying its ok to lose many big kids but its not ok to lose small 8th graders???
The overall question is if BYF is on the up and up? I heard board members that voted for BYF under circumstances they thought they couldn't control. Threats from the AD (as I've also seen mentions in these posts) and schools with threats over playing fields. Before the vote was taken were the board members addressed by BYF and offered their rules of play for consideration?
thepolster
05-20-08, 12:03 PM
The overall question is if BYF is on the up and up? I heard board members that voted for BYF under circumstances they thought they couldn't control. Threats from the AD (as I've also seen mentions in these posts) and schools with threats over playing fields. Before the vote was taken were the board members addressed by BYF and offered their rules of play for consideration?oh! that clears it up then.
Quite a defensive reply - something to hide?
Originally Posted by thepolster
Here is a rebuttal
1 2nd graders will play tackle, parents coach request
1 Great, 2nd graders could potentially play against kids who could be in 5th grade if they weren't held back
2 we are not having a 7th or 8th team doesn't matter
2. So kids go without football for two years?? Great concept!!
3 how many kids fail three years in grade school
3 You tell me! And then tell me what you are talking about? A kid with a November birthday gets heldback and he could be almost 3 years older than the youngest kids. FOUR years older if you are including 2nd graders!!! Brilliant!! Using grades is a recipe for failure.
4 you have the option to punt, also Jr high doesn't kick off anyway
4 It's dumb that junior high doesn't kick and you guys are continuing this failed concept.
5 teaching kids how to block head up is a bad thing?
5 Kids are smart. Let them show you and you might be surprised how much they pick up.
6 You didn't add Ellet, Springfield or green
Green??? Look again. Ellet and Springfield would be smart to think twice or Tallmadge, Mogadore, and Field will raid all your best players, especially the 2nd graders.
7 I guess another team will be added red,blue and grey
7 Huh?
8 No proven fact, what about lake? Oh yea, I thought there wasn't that many big kids out there who don't get a chance to play.
8 Huh?
9 League is being run by a very successful business owner
9 Ted Stepien was a succesful business owner too. If he's so succesful, why is he running from the tough competition of Massillon and North Canton and filling it up with Doylestown, Canal Fulton, and Richfield.
10 c-team 2nd thru 4th 110 pnd skill position 1 pound every week thereafter
black stripe unlimited
10 c your own rules state 100 pounds. SYF is 112.
b-team 5th thru 6th 120 pnd skill position 1pound every week thereafter
black stripe unlimited
10 b SYF is 123.
Read this from a earlier thread. Just want the parents to have some idea of where BYF is taking these kids. If you think subrban has problems go back and read some of the BYF posts. Im sure theres not a league out there that would make everyone happy (not even all the kids). This breakdown shows that some of the Skill positions that kids played last year couldn't be played by them because of the dreaded weight restrictions - sure they would be allowed on the field - big deal so are the cheerleaders - oh they do have skilled positions too.
Sp6,you need to go back to the rock that you crawled out from under. You are preaching about kids having to sit out for a couple of years. But are failing to see all of the kids that have missed opportunities because of unrealistic weight restrictions. Boys have sat back for years and been made to feel less than wanted while they watched the "little kids" who most will not play in high school anyway, have fun on the field. Then when they get into JH and HS the coaches are begging them to play, do you know their reply? "You didn't want me then, I don't want you now". Hello!!!! how many more kids to you want to loose their sense of belonging and pride just because they don't fit into your 130 lb mold.?
Irish87
05-20-08, 01:46 PM
2nd graders are recommended to play Flag. If parents are that concerned about their 2nd grader being injured, let him stay in Flag for another year. A plan is being talked about, to where no 2nd graders would play against 4th graders. In the past BYF has not allowed them to play Tackle. With new teams joining the League, they are looking at creating a 2nd grade Tackle squad. At this point, it is being left up to the Directors of each Community, if a 2nd grader can play Tackle or should play Flag. If a 2nd grader plays Tackle, they would be limited to playing in the second game of the day and would be playing mainly against 2nd and 3rd graders.
As many people have pointed out, you are never going to make everyone happy. If you are concerned about your 2nd grade child being hurt, have them stay in Flag another year. :shrug:
SPARTANPRIDE
05-20-08, 02:09 PM
Originally Posted by thepolster
Here is a rebuttal
1 2nd graders will play tackle, parents coach request
1 Great, 2nd graders could potentially play against kids who could be in 5th grade if they weren't held back
2 we are not having a 7th or 8th team doesn't matter
2. So kids go without football for two years?? Great concept!!
3 how many kids fail three years in grade school
3 You tell me! And then tell me what you are talking about? A kid with a November birthday gets heldback and he could be almost 3 years older than the youngest kids. FOUR years older if you are including 2nd graders!!! Brilliant!! Using grades is a recipe for failure.
4 you have the option to punt, also Jr high doesn't kick off anyway
4 It's dumb that junior high doesn't kick and you guys are continuing this failed concept.
5 teaching kids how to block head up is a bad thing?
5 Kids are smart. Let them show you and you might be surprised how much they pick up.
6 You didn't add Ellet, Springfield or green
Green??? Look again. Ellet and Springfield would be smart to think twice or Tallmadge, Mogadore, and Field will raid all your best players, especially the 2nd graders.
7 I guess another team will be added red,blue and grey
7 Huh?
8 No proven fact, what about lake? Oh yea, I thought there wasn't that many big kids out there who don't get a chance to play.
8 Huh?
9 League is being run by a very successful business owner
9 Ted Stepien was a succesful business owner too. If he's so succesful, why is he running from the tough competition of Massillon and North Canton and filling it up with Doylestown, Canal Fulton, and Richfield.
10 c-team 2nd thru 4th 110 pnd skill position 1 pound every week thereafter
black stripe unlimited
10 c your own rules state 100 pounds. SYF is 112.
b-team 5th thru 6th 120 pnd skill position 1pound every week thereafter
black stripe unlimited
10 b SYF is 123.
Read this from a earlier thread. Just want the parents to have some idea of where BYF is taking these kids. If you think subrban has problems go back and read some of the BYF posts. Im sure theres not a league out there that would make everyone happy (not even all the kids). This breakdown shows that some of the Skill positions that kids played last year couldn't be played by them because of the dreaded weight restrictions - sure they would be allowed on the field - big deal so are the cheerleaders - oh they do have skilled positions too.what are you talking about, dont mislead parents for your own agenda. 2nd graders wont ever line up against a 5th grader unless he's the next gayle sayers. the byf will have 7th grade in the program, 8th grade will be at the j.h (measures have been taken to insure that j.h football will be there) kids failing three years, come on didnt anyone tell you we have an effective rating now. ask the kid from tallmadge j.v if kickoffs are necessary. blocking head up, oh theres that win first teach second attitude again. o.k lets talk more about the descimination that has gone on in the suburban league for years.(sorry kid you dont fit the weight restiction come back in four years when we need you to block for our experianced skilled players from the suburban league.) man get real....
Bass, where are ther rules? Sounds like they are changing as we speak?
Irish87
05-20-08, 02:35 PM
The way I see it, keeping up on Rules and tweaking them to better the organization is not such a bad idea. Changing for personal reasons is wrong.
If I'm not mistaken, even Suburban Youth has made some changes over the past few years as well:
Start up dates
Birthdate changes
Weight changes
No more Division 1 or 2
It seems that suburban has been beat up for tweaking - only their rules are in writing not made up as you go along. Maybe that's the key you just don't tell what the rules really are. How does BYF keep that fair through all of the organizations? Do they have officials - how do they know if Ellet tweaked one rule and Tallmadge teaked another?
Irish87
05-20-08, 02:52 PM
I can't find where anybody said rules have changed. Rules are in place and each Organization has a Copy of them. What we are saying, is this is a newer League. Last year only 4 teams were a part of it. This year, I believe there are 8 or 9 and next year another Community is looking to join, if not more. Suggestions are being offered, based on the growth of the League and what better suits the Kids as a whole. Last year, 2nd graders playing Tackle was not a discussion, because the other 4 Communities did not feel the need for it. With 4 new Communities joining, who in the past have had 2nd graders play tackle, the decision was made that they could at the discretion of each Communities Directors. I don't think any other Rules have come to surface about changing or tweaking.
Every League takes a look at how they can better its Organization in the offseason.
GRPride86
05-20-08, 03:07 PM
sp6,
It's been suggested several times that you contact Kevin Vaughn and see what his take is on BYF vs. SYFL. Talk to Kevin and then come on here and voice your opinion about the upcoming football season.
And I do have to agree with a couple of previous posts. You are only getting half of the story with your rule interpretations.
But I will comment on the kick off rule that so many individuals have a problem with in the SYFL. The OHSAA have come to a conclusion that it's dangerous for a lot of these young players to have kick offs. Cheap shots rule in those situations. And I have yet to see anyone kick the ball in the endzone on the fly or even on the bounce. Non-Issue!!!
spartanmom12
05-20-08, 04:49 PM
Well I gotta a call last night during work and was told to reinvent myself on here.
I don't know what to say to that. I feel only the good lord has blessed me with the knowledge of the gap..if you know what i mean. I have read all your post and came to a conclusion or the illusion of another person trying there heart out to out do me.
The coaches daddy's have bowed down to me, literally speaking and asked for forgiveness. I accept but please keep them dollars coming.
If any of you really seen my body you would know i don't have a kid. I will be at the bottoms up at 10 pm ask for Lexus,,,,,, you wont be sorry.
spartan71
05-20-08, 08:57 PM
i think the 2nd grader issue will be handled by a parent/coach decision i think alot of second graders will be playing tackle this year in byf if we have enough tackle ready 2nd graders they could have there own team byf will accomodate our needs.... 2nd grade parents do not fear your childs needs will be taken care of whether it be tackle or flag you will have a choice and 2nd grade tackle kids will be limited to c division jv meaning they wont be playing 4th grade studs
headhunter34
05-20-08, 10:04 PM
People are very pleased with the way the former suburban youth handled a very touchy subject this weekend. My hat is off to you. We know who has done what and who has sacrificed. Only the good will prevail. Keep up the good work, and keep your word and feed the HIGH SCHOOL WITH BIG TALENT. And by the way, sorry if I came off like a bad guy earlier this year.
BYF #1
thepolster
05-21-08, 06:20 AM
Originally Posted by thepolster
Here is a rebuttal
1 2nd graders will play tackle, parents coach request
1 Great, 2nd graders could potentially play against kids who could be in 5th grade if they weren't held back
2 we are not having a 7th or 8th team doesn't matter
2. So kids go without football for two years?? Great concept!!
3 how many kids fail three years in grade school
3 You tell me! And then tell me what you are talking about? A kid with a November birthday gets heldback and he could be almost 3 years older than the youngest kids. FOUR years older if you are including 2nd graders!!! Brilliant!! Using grades is a recipe for failure.
4 you have the option to punt, also Jr high doesn't kick off anyway
4 It's dumb that junior high doesn't kick and you guys are continuing this failed concept.
5 teaching kids how to block head up is a bad thing?
5 Kids are smart. Let them show you and you might be surprised how much they pick up.
6 You didn't add Ellet, Springfield or green
Green??? Look again. Ellet and Springfield would be smart to think twice or Tallmadge, Mogadore, and Field will raid all your best players, especially the 2nd graders.
7 I guess another team will be added red,blue and grey
7 Huh?
8 No proven fact, what about lake? Oh yea, I thought there wasn't that many big kids out there who don't get a chance to play.
8 Huh?
9 League is being run by a very successful business owner
9 Ted Stepien was a succesful business owner too. If he's so succesful, why is he running from the tough competition of Massillon and North Canton and filling it up with Doylestown, Canal Fulton, and Richfield.
10 c-team 2nd thru 4th 110 pnd skill position 1 pound every week thereafter
black stripe unlimited
10 c your own rules state 100 pounds. SYF is 112.
b-team 5th thru 6th 120 pnd skill position 1pound every week thereafter
black stripe unlimited
10 b SYF is 123.
Read this from a earlier thread. Just want the parents to have some idea of where BYF is taking these kids. If you think subrban has problems go back and read some of the BYF posts. Im sure theres not a league out there that would make everyone happy (not even all the kids). This breakdown shows that some of the Skill positions that kids played last year couldn't be played by them because of the dreaded weight restrictions - sure they would be allowed on the field - big deal so are the cheerleaders - oh they do have skilled positions too.
Take it to the streets, Every parent I have talked to loves the idea. So keep up the scare tactics and move on. The dress shop is open on canton road for little johnny. I can understand why king of green/manchester have fed you this propaganda. There mom and dad used to hold there hand also and wipe there rears as teens.
thepolster
05-21-08, 06:26 AM
People are very pleased with the way the former suburban youth handled a very touchy subject this weekend. My hat is off to you. We know who has done what and who has sacrificed. Only the good will prevail. Keep up the good work, and keep your word and feed the HIGH SCHOOL WITH BIG TALENT. And by the way, sorry if I came off like a bad guy earlier this year.
BYF #1
call the shop
Irish87
05-21-08, 08:36 AM
People are very pleased with the way the former suburban youth handled a very touchy subject this weekend. My hat is off to you. We know who has done what and who has sacrificed. Only the good will prevail. Keep up the good work, and keep your word and feed the HIGH SCHOOL WITH BIG TALENT. And by the way, sorry if I came off like a bad guy earlier this year.
BYF #1
Thank you Headhunter. The professional, mature approach is always the best and I was happy to see the excitement on some of these kids' and parents' faces at Registration.
I really think if the people of the Township knew more about the new League and what we are trying to accomplish, they would feel more secure about the change. The decision came quickly to switch and plans are in place to inform the Community about the Rules and Format of the League. I think there are some top notch Coaches in the BYF and the kids will benefit from this experience.
I hope everything works out for everyone. Lets hope we can get 250 kids, grades K through 8, out for Football. If this happens, 2 Leagues might be able to co-exist.
SPARTANPRIDE
05-21-08, 10:08 AM
People are very pleased with the way the former suburban youth handled a very touchy subject this weekend. My hat is off to you. We know who has done what and who has sacrificed. Only the good will prevail. Keep up the good work, and keep your word and feed the HIGH SCHOOL WITH BIG TALENT. And by the way, sorry if I came off like a bad guy earlier this year.
BYF #1
coach, i take my hat off to you, so far everything is falling into place. it nice to see the excitment from the boys about spartan football. with the younger level players playing in the byf the lighter players playing along side the bigger players the fear of the kid who weights 112lbs moving up to the j.h and realizing he now has to compete with bigger players is no longer a factor it will be second nature to the player.this league the byf is going to help our program tremendously no need for two leagues where as both big and small players will benifit from playing together GO SPARTAN NATION...
Take it to the streets, Every parent I have talked to loves the idea. So keep up the scare tactics and move on. The dress shop is open on canton road for little johnny. I can understand why king of green/manchester have fed you this propaganda. There mom and dad used to hold there hand also and wipe there rears as teens.
:laugh:
thepolster
05-22-08, 09:03 AM
My post was totally legit. Put it back on, I cant control how other people view it.
Serious Questions:
Can anyone tell me exactly how many children this change effects ?
More specifically how many children per grade level are over the weight of 120, 130 or 138 and out of those few children, How many wanted to even play football?
How many children ever got cut and handed there Money back at SSYF do to over-weight, over say the past 5 years?
spartan71
05-22-08, 12:01 PM
The overall question is if BYF is on the up and up? I heard board members that voted for BYF under circumstances they thought they couldn't control. Threats from the AD (as I've also seen mentions in these posts) and schools with threats over playing fields. Before the vote was taken were the board members addressed by BYF and offered their rules of play for consideration? all was on the up and up not the case with the defectors. anyone who would like to come hear somethings about the new league or has any concerns about it, you are welcome to attend a meeting with the BYF organizer at the Springfield Administration Building this friday night May 23 at 7:30pm our active board will be there also come out and show your support! :)
spartan71
05-22-08, 12:18 PM
Serious Questions:
Can anyone tell me exactly how many children this change effects ?
More specifically how many children per grade level are over the weight of 120, 130 or 138 and out of those few children, How many wanted to even play football?
How many children ever got cut and handed there Money back at SSYF do to over-weight, over say the past 5 years? Brad no one will ever know the true numbers. over a 34 year period i would venture to say hundreds of kids never played football in our township due to youth weight restrictions... i can say that last weekend for a fact we had 10 boys from 160-260lbs sign up for syf/byf and that was just 2 days of sign ups i wish we could work together on this the infighting has got to stop if we would have worked together our numbers would be larger than last years total already and it is only May i could see syf/byf with 250 participants by end of July this is what the community wants and needs to bring our township back to prosperity... as far as kids getting their money back for being cut due to weight restrictions that would only occur at the varsity level the younger ones just got bumped up to play with older kids and some never even tried because they knew it was to long of a road to make weight for the Suburban Youth league. I know your heart is in the right place i just wonder if your overall thinking is dont be clouded by power mongers stick with your communitee and friends..
Irish87
05-22-08, 12:22 PM
Serious Questions:
Can anyone tell me exactly how many children this change effects ?
More specifically how many children per grade level are over the weight of 120, 130 or 138 and out of those few children, How many wanted to even play football?
How many children ever got cut and handed there Money back at SSYF do to over-weight, over say the past 5 years?
Bhynde,
I was as shocked as anybody, at our last Sign ups, how many kids are signing up now, due to hearing about the un-limited weight limit in BYF. The smiles on their faces and their parents faces while speaking to them about finally, getting a chance to play was priceless. I won't go into how many total we had sign up over the weekend, but lets just say there were at least 10 kids, who signed up over 160 lbs. One being over 200 and not because of bad eating habits, this kid is a monster. I don't like to use names, but 4 that come to mind in the past were Cole, Marter, Nagle and Copen. Kids who were just plain beasts, not overweight, but could never play Youth Football.
I don't think we know how many others are out there yet. In past, did SSYF ever turn kids away? No, but the kids and parents were aware of the weight restrictions, new how much their child weighed, and just didn't even bother to come out knowing they could not make the restrictions. Also, over the years, we had many kids play up one and sometimes 2 levels, just to be able to play football. last year the Varsity had 2 kids that should have been playing JV, but could not make the 128 lb limit.
Just giving a few examples. I really think there are more kids out there, who never played Football because of the Restrictions. As word gets out, I think more and more will sign up.
all was on the up and up not the case with the defectors. anyone who would like to come hear somethings about the new league or has any concerns about it, you are welcome to attend a meeting with the BYF organizer at the Springfield Administration Building this friday night May 23 at 7:30pm our active board will be there also come out and show your support! :)
Defector :More broadly, it involves abandoning a person, cause or doctrine to whom or to which one is bound by some tie, as of allegiance or duty.
So a board for one football organization forms and votes to go to a different football organization.
Who was the defectors here ?
We are simply standing for the orginization that we believe in, As you are standing with the group you believe.
spartan71
05-22-08, 12:46 PM
my allegance is to springfield and its kids not a league and their board. i have poured blood sweat and tears into this organization for years now. i guess educated decisions by people with football knowledge means nothing to you. you guys act like this was treason. :shrug:
GRPride86
05-22-08, 12:47 PM
I would say that if everyone was honest about the numbers, it would be somewhere around 10 kids per grade. So that would be something like 40 to 50 kids per year. Add up the years and you have a pretty good number there.
GRPride86
05-22-08, 12:51 PM
i could see syf/byf with 250 participants by end of July this is what the community wants and needs to bring our township back to prosperity...
If that number (250) is reached, when was the last time Springfield had that kind of participation in youth football?
Irish87
05-22-08, 01:03 PM
Defector :More broadly, it involves abandoning a person, cause or doctrine to whom or to which one is bound by some tie, as of allegiance or duty.
So a board for one football organization forms and votes to go to a different football organization.
Who was the defectors here ?
We are simply standing for the orginization that we believe in, As you are standing with the group you believe.
Bhynde,
this is not meant to be an argument. You and I are still friends so please don't take my typings in a bad tone. Its just a normal conversation.
We all talked about this months ago, how we could not support 2 Leagues in this Township, not yet anyway. Having 2 Leagues would split the Community and kids. We were all in agreement. We were also all in agreement, on going forward with plans on the 2008 season, even though some things were not finalized as of yet. Everything was going very smoothly. Serious talks were held with the HS AD/Coach about the future of Youth Football and what transpired earlier in the year. Rumors were put to rest about what was said and not said and differences were put aside in order to work together in the best interest of the kids. All of this information, along with information regarding the "un-stableness" of the Suburban Board, was brought to the attention of all Board Members and other persons present at the Board Meeting. Discussion was heard amounst all attendees. Thoughts, opinions, comments were all asked for. At the end of the Meeting, a vote insued and everyone in attendance voted for the switch. 4 Weeks later, we come to find out, there was a change of heart with a few people and thye wanted to remain in Suburban. Well, because of the unanimous Vote from the Board and the timeline to make the decision to change, we had already committed to BYF to join.
The question that comes to my mind is, why the change of heart? Why now, is it ok to have 2 Leagues, when 3 months ago we all agreed 2 Leagues would divide the kids and neither would exist?
We need to stop looking at the past, and how things operated, and look forward to how we can improve things. We have an opportunity to work very closely with the High School to make their Program better. Why not go for it?
This Township can really benefit with the new League. I'll be the first person to tell you, I had a change of heart from January to April. But I did a ton of research, spoke to many people, thought long and hard about what is best for the Township. When the Vote came about, I voted to change, along with every other person in that room. I stand by my decision and still believe the right decision was made.
thepolster
05-22-08, 01:16 PM
Way to go Irish, your making me a believer.
thepolster
05-22-08, 01:31 PM
When are the next sign ups?Can we sign up at the meeting? I got Little Larry a new uniform.http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p79/photobucketboorum/fat-football-player.jpg
Irish, Glad to here we are still friends. I was a bit concerned when you didn’t return my call.
I don’t want to argue with anyone, but it is amazing that no matter what I say up here I am wronged by other people.”If Im not with BYF I am un-educated “ type attitude.
I am glad to see you have had some big kids sign up and that they are happy about it.
Please understand I am looking at both sides of this coin regardless of what others have said.
Please also answer me this, How many kids have not signed up BYF because they do not want there normal 120 pound kid having to line up against your 200 pounder.
I brought this question to KV since he was supposedly about ALL KIDS playing football. Funny thing is his answer to that question was “ some kids just shouldn’t play football”
This is great because a 10-12-14 year old boy is scared to go up against a kid 60 pounds heavier maybe he shouldn’t play. The school could care less about our youth, they are looking at there 4 years and that is it. And those in charge now will be gone and the youth will still be here.
GRPride86
05-22-08, 02:50 PM
Do you think there will be a bigger disparity the other way than it has been in the past? And you can still have a weight difference of 40 or 50 pounds at the C team level (SYFL). So what is the difference here. Is it the kid or the parent not wanting to play against a bigger kid?
I would say that the kid just wants to play with their friends just like the do in their backyards or down at the park, where they usually play tackle football without pads.
Irish87
05-22-08, 03:00 PM
Irish, Glad to here we are still friends. I was a bit concerned when you didn’t return my call.
I don’t want to argue with anyone, but it is amazing that no matter what I say up here I am wronged by other people.”If Im not with BYF I am un-educated “ type attitude.
I am glad to see you have had some big kids sign up and that they are happy about it.
Please understand I am looking at both sides of this coin regardless of what others have said.
Please also answer me this, How many kids have not signed up BYF because they do not want there normal 120 pound kid having to line up against your 200 pounder.
I brought this question to KV since he was supposedly about ALL KIDS playing football. Funny thing is his answer to that question was “ some kids just shouldn’t play football”
This is great because a 10-12-14 year old boy is scared to go up against a kid 60 pounds heavier maybe he shouldn’t play. The school could care less about our youth, they are looking at there 4 years and that is it. And those in charge now will be gone and the youth will still be here.
I actaully forgot that you called. sorry about that. I spoke with your comrade and was filled in on the details, then got busy and forgot to call you back. I apologize.
The answer to your question is "options". At least now, there are options for all kids, if they want to play, or if they don't want to play. Before, the heavier kids had no options.
Even still, quality experienced, educated Coaches can take care of the size differences. They can make sure during practices kids are not mis-matched on a regular basis. Games are a little different because you don't run into this problem on a regular basis. Smaller kids usually play off the Line of scrimmage and don't encounter the larger kids very often, and if they do, they are typically more agile and can run away or, like I did in HS, give them old Spanish Bull Fighting trick, "ole" :D .
Again, as a Coach, I think its your responsibility to ease this concern of the parents and kids, by explaining proper techniques and escapes. I myself do not like the approach of "I don't want my kid playing with bigger kids". Most people know my kids are little and prolly always will be. I want them to learn how to take on bigger kids and protect themselves.
Buckeye29
05-22-08, 10:03 PM
I'm reading these posts and I see words like "defectors", and I don't understand. As I understand it Springfield Youth Football has a board that runs this organization. If the board votes to take "Springfield Youth Football" into a different league, what's wrong with that? I understand that guys feel an allegiance to one LEAGUE or the other, but if the board votes then majority rules. Springfield Youth Football is now part of the BYF. Same organization, just in a different league. I think everyone needs to grow up and think about the kids. I've heard that a small group is trying to keep suburban youth football in Springfield also (new organization). I believe this is a mistake. I hear now there is an issue of who gets the equipment and the fields---- isn't it "Springfield Youth Football's" equipment? So why is it an issue? If someone wants to start a NEW football organization in Springfield they should plan on getting their own stuff!!! If I'm unhappy with Hot Stove baseball and I want to go to little league should I expect to STEAL the hot stove equipment? This pissing contest between adults is not good for the kids and it really needs to stop! JMO
I'd just like to add, I think if someone doesn't want to be part of Springfield youth football because they are in a new league, then they should just wish them well, not try to make trouble by trying to steal their equipment----unless you don't have issues with stealing from the kids because that's basicly what you'd be doing.
spartan71
05-23-08, 09:53 AM
bhynde,
i am sorry for the use of the word defector and did not mean to infer you did not have football knowledge if you took it that way i am sorry. you are a good man with good intentions this is just a frustrating situation because i just think of the the energy we are wasting fighting could be going to bettering a good thing and making it a great thing for the kids!
thepolster
05-23-08, 11:25 AM
There are more positives than negatives from the board making the switch. Maybe I also tripped out a little harder than I should of but like what was said before. This wasn't a last minute deal. You should of made a stance long ago with HP instead of doing what you are doing now. Sure I was part of the push to go to the byf route but had support from top to bottom. Your syf board voted for change, so go with what your peers unanimously voted for. I don't know how many voted but sure know the people were not coaxed or payed to make that decision under duress. It sucks being looked at as a outsider and that's what you and HP will look like. At least I know I had support from The High School and board members and trustees and the mayor before Doug and I pursued for a better change. Yea its political and yes the people are not going to deny a second league but you can bet the same people are the ones who help with the change. SYF will die off after this year, because more schools will not want to fall behind the 8 ball.
Irish, Glad to here we are still friends. I was a bit concerned when you didn’t return my call.
I don’t want to argue with anyone, but it is amazing that no matter what I say up here I am wronged by other people.”If Im not with BYF I am un-educated “ type attitude.
I am glad to see you have had some big kids sign up and that they are happy about it.
Please understand I am looking at both sides of this coin regardless of what others have said.
Please also answer me this, How many kids have not signed up BYF because they do not want there normal 120 pound kid having to line up against your 200 pounder.
I brought this question to KV since he was supposedly about ALL KIDS playing football. Funny thing is his answer to that question was “ some kids just shouldn’t play football”
This is great because a 10-12-14 year old boy is scared to go up against a kid 60 pounds heavier maybe he shouldn’t play. The school could care less about our youth, they are looking at there 4 years and that is it. And those in charge now will be gone and the youth will still be here.
Normal 120 pound kid? Who are you to say what is NORMAL?
green pride
05-23-08, 04:02 PM
The demise of SYF may be a tad premature. A Huge announcement will come in the next couple of weeks about SYF. You guys should have had a little patience. The plans for SYF will be huge you will be able to read about it in the Beacon Journal and the Plain Dealer.
I am not quite sure why people in the new BYF group now talk crap about me when they were the same people asking me to help them in Florida and at the begining of all this. I hope you guys have success in what ever league you chose the only problem I have is before you made your decision you were lied to about many things. I have documentation and taped conversations if anyone wants proof. Good luck Springfield you have great people in your community and I hope everything works out for you.
There are more positives than negatives from the board making the switch. Maybe I also tripped out a little harder than I should of but like what was said before. This wasn't a last minute deal. You should of made a stance long ago with HP instead of doing what you are doing now. Sure I was part of the push to go to the byf route but had support from top to bottom. Your syf board voted for change, so go with what your peers unanimously voted for. I don't know how many voted but sure know the people were not coaxed or payed to make that decision under duress. It sucks being looked at as a outsider and that's what you and HP will look like. At least I know I had support from The High School and board members and trustees and the mayor before Doug and I pursued for a better change. Yea its political and yes the people are not going to deny a second league but you can bet the same people are the ones who help with the change. SYF will die off after this year, because more schools will not want to fall behind the 8 ball.
sriracha
05-23-08, 05:32 PM
The demise of SYF may be a tad premature. A Huge announcement will come in the next couple of weeks about SYF. You guys should have had a little patience. The plans for SYF will be huge you will be able to read about it in the Beacon Journal and the Plain Dealer.
I am not quite sure why people in the new BYF group now talk crap about me when they were the same people asking me to help them in Florida and at the begining of all this. I hope you guys have success in what ever league you chose the only problem I have is before you made your decision you were lied to about many things. I have documentation and taped conversations if anyone wants proof. Good luck Springfield you have great people in your community and I hope everything works out for you.
who in the heck tapes a conversation regarding youth football?
green pride
05-23-08, 08:55 PM
When people accuse me of things I have not done I tend to get pissed. I have dedicated my life to coaching and helping kids and it never stops amazing me that people would flat out lie so there kids get their own way. Ed has lied to me and many people in Spingfield. The Poster who is always on here told lies at a meeting that me and my father knew something about his falsified birth certificate but when I called him a couple days later he admitted he lied to me ( I do have proof of the conversation for future use). Since BYF was formed 4 years ago my family has had to endure lies upon lies from this group and I have had enough. Many people on this site do not know me they believe the qossip, stop being sheep and if you need to know anything call me or sit down with me dont believe the lies have a mind of your own.who in the heck tapes a conversation regarding youth football?
thepolster
05-24-08, 06:49 AM
When people accuse me of things I have not done I tend to get pissed. I have dedicated my life to coaching and helping kids and it never stops amazing me that people would flat out lie so there kids get their own way. Ed has lied to me and many people in Spingfield. The Poster who is always on here told lies at a meeting that me and my father knew something about his falsified birth certificate but when I called him a couple days later he admitted he lied to me ( I do have proof of the conversation for future use). Since BYF was formed 4 years ago my family has had to endure lies upon lies from this group and I have had enough. Many people on this site do not know me they believe the qossip, stop being sheep and if you need to know anything call me or sit down with me dont believe the lies have a mind of your own. Nice comeback. The township and the village I believe became united last night. The way the board explained the details to the public. The discrimination has left the building for good.
thepolster
05-24-08, 06:57 AM
CAN YOU SMELL WHAT THE B.Y.F. IS COOKING, I CAN. SUCCESShttp://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee29/charley675/Micelanious/rock-4.jpg
green pride
05-24-08, 11:51 AM
What ever your community does I wish them luck. Remember one thing it is not always greener on the other side you will still have issues they will not go away. For your sons sack I hope you have a good year but you with your little pictures and quotes are doing nothing but dividing your community. I have put it out there if you have a problem with me I would love to sit down with you pick the time ,just me and you. Pm me if you want but the crap must stop. Nice comeback. The township and the village I believe became united last night. The way the board explained the details to the public. The discrimination has left the building for good.
Irish87
05-27-08, 08:08 AM
What ever your community does I wish them luck. Remember one thing it is not always greener on the other side you will still have issues they will not go away. For your sons sack I hope you have a good year but you with your little pictures and quotes are doing nothing but dividing your community. I have put it out there if you have a problem with me I would love to sit down with you pick the time ,just me and you. Pm me if you want but the crap must stop.
Green pride,
you must understand, the decision to go BYF was totaly based on what we felt as an Organization, to be best for our community. There were no personal issues involved with making our decision. If there are issues between you and others in the Township, I hope you can work them out, but believe me when I tell you, when we voted to change, it was strictly in the interest of the kids in our Township.
spartan71
05-27-08, 08:57 AM
What ever your community does I wish them luck. Remember one thing it is not always greener on the other side you will still have issues they will not go away. For your sons sack I hope you have a good year but you with your little pictures and quotes are doing nothing but dividing your community. I have put it out there if you have a problem with me I would love to sit down with you pick the time ,just me and you. Pm me if you want but the crap must stop.green pride no one has a personal problem with any one or thing the suburban youth has done we just made the decision based on our numbers and our community byf fits best for us. i wish you guys would let us run our own orginazation and make our own decisions thats the only beef i have had to this point. i'm glad to hear you have big things planned for syf i really am. good luck!
green pride
05-27-08, 07:37 PM
Is it true that you had people at the Springfield Suburban sign up handing out your fliers? That is pretty pathetic. If everyone is for your BYF group why would you do that? You guys are splitting your community worse than what happened at Green. Let it be a fair playing field and let the people decide not the school or a few people be ethical.
thepolster
05-27-08, 09:07 PM
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u180/aquagirl360/slap.gifWe was worried for a minute that you guys would have a big turn out. That was not the case though. We seen a total of 7 kids, 5 cheer and 2 boys. Yes I was there and the inforcer. You guys called the po po on me and we were made to leave. But did not go far. halla!~
Yes Mr. Ellis and Mr. Sands sat at the bottom of the parking lot flagging people down with there Flyer’s and yes we ask the Police to please have them leave the parking lot. As we have not interfered in BYF sign ups in anyway.
And in the professional style that has been coming out we where flipped off as they left at eight.
Not by Mr. Ellis he left as soon as the Police ask them to leave the lot.
It was an open house to answer any questions about the league since there are two. And have sign ups as well.
I will admit it has been a strungle explaining to people that SSYF is still here since a lot of false information was put out, but we are half way to our goal and have no worries we will field our teams.
We have open sign ups daily at Hurlands Sports shack and that has went over vary well for people to be able to come there when they have a chance.
""Now Make sure this gets deleted like my other blog did""
Irish87
05-28-08, 08:06 AM
It was an open house to answer any questions about the league since there are two. And have sign ups as well.
I will admit it has been a strungle explaining to people that SSYF is still here since a lot of false information was put out, but we are half way to our goal and have no worries we will field our teams.
Bhynde,
there has been absolutely no false information put out there by the Springfield Youth Football Organization. We have been up front with people from the start about the presence of 2 Leagues now. The struggle explaining the situation is because of lack of Educating the people about the situation. Any time there is change, there is going to be this type of confusion. Trust me, I've spent hours explaining what has transpired, to people in our Community and none of the information I have given was false.
As far as Representatives being present, I'm just as pissed about it as you guys and will express my opinions to the parties involved.
thepolster
05-28-08, 08:19 AM
Bhynde,
there has been absolutely no false information put out there by the Springfield Youth Football Organization. We have been up front with people from the start about the presence of 2 Leagues now. The struggle explaining the situation is because of lack of Educating the people about the situation. Any time there is change, there is going to be this type of confusion. Trust me, I've spent hours explaining what has transpired, to people in our Community and none of the information I have given was false.
As far as Representatives being present, I'm just as pissed about it as you guys and will express my opinions to the parties involved. get a grip Irish, everyone knows you go were the wind blows. We were giving out fliers for informational purpose. So dont get on here acting like you are so upset. I did not do or say a bad thing, only when a big toothless chick was running here mouth. So who is the upscale citizen now. Its your move so jump or shut up.
thepolster
05-28-08, 08:30 AM
Yes Mr. Ellis and Mr. Sands sat at the bottom of the parking lot flagging people down with there Flyer’s and yes we ask the Police to please have them leave the parking lot. As we have not interfered in BYF sign ups in anyway.
And in the professional style that has been coming out we where flipped off as they left at eight.
Not by Mr. Ellis he left as soon as the Police ask them to leave the lot.
It was an open house to answer any questions about the league since there are two. And have sign ups as well.
I will admit it has been a strungle explaining to people that SSYF is still here since a lot of false information was put out, but we are half way to our goal and have no worries we will field our teams.
We have open sign ups daily at Hurlands Sports shack and that has went over vary well for people to be able to come there when they have a chance.
""Now Make sure this gets deleted like my other blog did""You must of forgotten when you stole the cheer outfits and bumb rushed the sign ups a month ago. Thats ok right?
Irish87
05-28-08, 08:31 AM
get a grip Irish, everyone knows you go were the wind blows. We were giving out fliers for informational purpose. So dont get on here acting like you are so upset. I did not do or say a bad thing, only when a big toothless chick was running here mouth. So who is the upscale citizen now. Its your move so jump or shut up.
Polster,
you don't represent the Youth Football Organization, so I think you need to stay out of things. You are only making it worse with your name calling antics. Just because someone doesn't agree with you, does not make them the enemy.
Talk about going where the wind blows. One minute your calling me at home telling I'm the savior of Youth Football, the next your minute you're telling me to shut up. Nice dedication and respect. :shrug: :rolleyes:
Is it true that you had people at the Springfield Suburban sign up handing out your fliers? That is pretty pathetic. If everyone is for your BYF group why would you do that? You guys are splitting your community worse than what happened at Green. Let it be a fair playing field and let the people decide not the school or a few people be ethical.
Obviously you can NEVER get everyone for BYF only a majority and the ones that don't get their way in the unanimous vote are the root of the problems and splitting the community!!! Fair playing field? Please it was fair and even but didn't go your way! Talk about pathetic...its sad that only when BYF comes along that SYFL makes changes for the better, the ego's finally had to end and my way or the highway attitide.
thepolster
05-28-08, 08:46 AM
Polster,
you don't represent the Youth Football Organization, so I think you need to stay out of things. You are only making it worse with your name calling antics. Just because someone doesn't agree with you, does not make them the enemy.
Talk about going where the wind blows. One minute your calling me at home telling I'm the savior of Youth Football, the next your minute you're telling me to shut up. Nice dedication and respect. :shrug: :rolleyes: What , when they did what they did it was ok. You did not get on here and say anything about that. But when we were just handing out fliers and nothing else was said your all pissed then. Tell me how that translates to the average person. Yea you are a very big part of youth, but you was not there and we did not tell anyone that syf sucks. We offered a selection to the people who hasnt heard of the new direction of the youth football organization. We did not do or say anything to your buddys. Sure they were pissed we were there but live with it.
GRPride86
05-28-08, 09:05 AM
Why were the police called?
thepolster
05-28-08, 09:07 AM
Why were the police called?
cuz I was handing out fliers.
The reference to people being told untruths is directed at the assembly held by K.V. when he told the 7th graders if they wanted to play next year they could only play for the Jr. High school, And that byf was the only football league in town.
I was not referencing the meeting.
As for who has stolen what ? I’m vary sure that the facts will come out soon.
It is vary simple and I do not understand why no one gets it. When a group of people decided to go to another league they in fact resigned from the current SSYF that they had been members of and decided to form another league.
The by laws of SSYF are absolute and are a sub law to the Suburban Youth organization. You just can’t make up the rules as you go along.
My post did not say that you where bad mouthing SSYF it simply stated that you felt the need to be there and that we felt that since we have done nothing towards byf that you in return should leave us to do our thing.
the Police where called because we could not tell what it was they where doing from there tailgate and we are not here for confrontations. So we ask the Police to please check and see what the other league was doing at our meeting. The Police ask them to please leave the lot as they had showed themselves to be a part of another league.
GRPride86
05-28-08, 09:11 AM
So the police were called because you were trying to inform community members that there are two leagues this year and the flyers were for informational purposes only?
GRPride86
05-28-08, 09:15 AM
the Police where called because we could not tell what it was they where doing from there tailgate and we are not here for confrontations. So we ask the Police to please check and see what the other league was doing at our meeting. The Police ask them to please leave the lot as they had showed themselves to be a part of another league.
Why didn't you go ask them what they were doing?
And if you were trying to inform the community of what was going on with the two leagues, why didn't you ask them to come in and tell the people about their league. This way you could have had an open forum and questions could have been asked and answered.
thepolster
05-28-08, 09:18 AM
The reference to people being told untruths is directed at the assembly held by K.V. when he told the 7th graders if they wanted to play next year they could only play for the Jr. High school, And that byf was the only football league in town.
I was not referencing the meeting.
As for who has stolen what ? I’m vary sure that the facts will come out soon.
It is vary simple and I do not understand why no one gets it. When a group of people decided to go to another league they in fact resigned from the current SSYF that they had been members of and decided to form another league.
The by laws of SSYF are absolute and are a sub law to the Suburban Youth organization. You just can’t make up the rules as you go along.
My post did not say that you where bad mouthing SSYF it simply stated that you felt the need to be there and that we felt that since we have done nothing towards byf that you in return should leave us to do our thing.
the Police where called because we could not tell what it was they where doing from there tailgate and we are not here for confrontations. So we ask the Police to please check and see what the other league was doing at our meeting. The Police ask them to please leave the lot as they had showed themselves to be a part of another league.
A group? I cant wait till this civil matter is over. You guys did a bad thing, And I hope your legal team isnt the ones feeding you guys up with lies.
thepolster
05-28-08, 09:19 AM
So the police were called because you were trying to inform community members that there are two leagues this year and the flyers were for informational purposes only?
pretty much, yes
You have had your representation at the school with one sided assemblies. Why didnt you metion that the SSYF was still here but you are forming a new group?
It was a Springfield Suburban Youth Football open house to answer questions about SSYF had anyone ask about byf we would have given them the information we have.
GRPride86
05-28-08, 09:23 AM
You have had your representation at the school with one sided assemblies. Why didnt you metion that the SSYF was still here but you are forming a new group?
It was a Springfield Suburban Youth Football open house to answer questions about SSYF had anyone ask about byf we would have given them the information we have.
So you did the exact same thing that you have been complaining about?
Group, orginization , association.... What ever you are calling yourself.
What is your """ name "" what is the byf of springfield. you want to put out informtion that would be a good start.
So you did the exact same thing that you have been complaining about?
What are you talking about. We had a open house. When did I complain about what byf has done ? Some of you guys are just here for a fight and that is not going to happen.
We did not complain about anything byf has done, We did ask the super for fair and equal advertising to the kids.
GRPride86
05-28-08, 09:40 AM
But didn't your group say that the vote for change was done unfairly and that there were some problems about who the director was at the time and that people voted under false pretenses.
If it in fact it was an open house (forum), why didn't you ask them to come in and answer any questions about the BYF if they came up?
Irish87
05-28-08, 09:45 AM
You have had your representation at the school with one sided assemblies. Why didnt you metion that the SSYF was still here but you are forming a new group?
It was a Springfield Suburban Youth Football open house to answer questions about SSYF had anyone ask about byf we would have given them the information we have.
Bhynde,
don't take this the wrong way, but you were not at the Assembly, so I don't think you really know what was said. At least not at Schrop. The kids were informed that there was a Football League now available in Springfield, that allows all kids to play, and has a 2 game Format that allows the kids to get a lot of playing time every Saturday. In fact, there was mention about SSYF and we did relay to them that it was still in existance, but this Assembly was for the new un-restricted weight limit League. There were no lies told at the Assemblies, or at our Sign-ups.
Just clarifiyng.
bhynde,
You're wrong, SYF didn't go and start a new league, they switched the league they are currently in! You & your group are the ones starting another organization to stay in the old league. When everyone talks about "the facts" and "untruths" this seems like the fact here to me!
Bhynde,
don't take this the wrong way, but you were not at the Assembly, so I don't think you really know what was said. At least not at Schrop. The kids were informed that there was a Football League now available in Springfield, that allows all kids to play, and has a 2 game Format that allows the kids to get a lot of playing time every Saturday. In fact, there was mention about SSYF and we did relay to them that it was still in existance, but this Assembly was for the new un-restricted weight limit League. There were no lies told at the Assemblies, or at our Sign-ups.
Just clarifiyng.
Just to let you know Irish, we had been told by the super that we could have equal representation there in the form of flyers. We dilivered those flyers to K.V. as we had been told to do the day prior to the assemblies. We had parents at each of the assemblies to hand out those flyers and K.V. did not deliver them to any of the schools as we had been told he would.
spartan71
05-28-08, 01:18 PM
Question?:)
why are you (BH and HP) going against the same people who you have worked with for the past couple of years and had no issues with until now? what is your reasoning did you not have faith that we would do right by the kids? does this have to do with wanting to be the guys in charge of the organization? your time would have come eventually.
things were set in motion to streamline football in springfield from the bottom to the top why try to mess with the decision made by springfield people for springfield kids? this is the way of the future and should have been done long ago IMO. VK left this program high and dry the day he resigned and signed everything over to his choice for new director ed ellis, which by the way was the day before we left for the trip to florida last november you know the story dont pretend that HP was his choice for director or anybodys choice for that matter.:wallbang: .
this change will benifit the kids and the schools not hurt them. All kids who want to play football at any age or weight should have that option period, it is just that simple or was until someone got a call (from i wonder who? wink wink) and got attorneys involved. i saw on a post earlier that would be like telling a basketball player he could not play basketball because he was to tall. i hope you dont think we will just tire and give it all up because nothing could be further from our minds, your deals with suburban youth just made us more resolute.
with that being said i respect people for fighting for what they believe in but my question is what do you believe in? is it springfields kids or allegence to suburban youth? its a simple question and its what this all boils down to....
1badspartan
05-28-08, 01:24 PM
Just to let you know Irish, we had been told by the super that we could have equal representation there in the form of flyers. We dilivered those flyers to K.V. as we had been told to do the day prior to the assemblies. We had parents at each of the assemblies to hand out those flyers and K.V. did not deliver them to any of the schools as we had been told he would.
Well I called the president of the USA and he said we were all created equal and not to let the big bad wolf get you down.
I like the sniff n scratch uniforms myself!
I thought the syf voted to change to the byf? I am confused to the facts here. Can you or your friends clear the whole thing up for me?
Spartan mom WHERE ARE YOU?!!!!!!
Ellet_32
05-28-08, 06:17 PM
bhynde tell your new ssyf group to stay out of Ellet! I think it pretty pathetic that the suburban league officials are handing out last years registration forms from Ellet and telling you guys to recruit our kids. We are getting complaints from parents that are pissed off about their private information being handed out to the public. You need to stop this crap immediately. This is as low as it gets.
thepolster
05-28-08, 09:21 PM
bhynde tell your new ssyf group to stay out of Ellet! I think it pretty pathetic that the suburban league officials are handing out last years registration forms from Ellet and telling you guys to recruit our kids. We are getting complaints from parents that are pissed off about their private information being handed out to the public. You need to stop this crap immediately. This is as low as it gets. any info you may need 32 I would gladly provide for you. Its a matter of time before the wrong bridge is burned. Both these cats are puppets.
bhynde tell your new ssyf group to stay out of Ellet! I think it pretty pathetic that the suburban league officials are handing out last years registration forms from Ellet and telling you guys to recruit our kids. We are getting complaints from parents that are pissed off about their private information being handed out to the public. You need to stop this crap immediately. This is as low as it gets.
Just to clarify a few things, First I thought it was all about the kids ? second its not a new ssyf, ssyf has been here fro 35 years and has never went away. If there are kids or parents that don’t want there kids to play byf shouldn’t they have a choice in the matter ?
SYF did not give us a list of sign-ups. Someone from, I assume, your organization stopped by and gave us a list of names and phone numbers and said there was a lot of parents un-happy about the change and we should call them and give them a choice.
There is nothing low or underhanded about giving the kids and parents a choice.
Byf is all about all kids play RIGHT , So why do you want to take away from those kids that Don’t want to play under the new league.
Choice will truely allow all kids who want to play the open door to be able to play.
GRPride86
05-29-08, 08:53 AM
I'm pretty sure no one from the Ellet organization that was supposed to have personal information on kids gave you anything. Now if the Suburban League gave you this information and said "keep it under the radar, I'm not supposed to give this information out", then there might be a "legal" problem here.
Ellet 92
05-29-08, 09:02 AM
Just to clarify a few things, First I thought it was all about the kids ? second its not a new ssyf, ssyf has been here fro 35 years and has never went away. If there are kids or parents that don’t want there kids to play byf shouldn’t they have a choice in the matter ?
SYF did not give us a list of sign-ups. Someone from, I assume, your organization stopped by and gave us a list of names and phone numbers and said there was a lot of parents un-happy about the change and we should call them and give them a choice.
There is nothing low or underhanded about giving the kids and parents a choice.
Byf is all about all kids play RIGHT , So why do you want to take away from those kids that Don’t want to play under the new league.
Choice will truely allow all kids who want to play the open door to be able to play.
Nice try liar.....
One of the parents that were called is part of our organization and is totally happy with the move that was made. They are wondering how someone else from another organization got their personal infomation.
Come up with some other B.S. cuz this one is not working.
Imagine that more false information being spread by someone associated with Suburban Youth Football.
Nice try liar.....
One of the parents that were called is part of our organization and is totally happy with the move that was made. They are wondering how someone else from another organization got their personal infomation.
Come up with some other B.S. cuz this one is not working.
Imagine that more false information being spread by someone associated with Suburban Youth Football.
I see , ONE of the parents called is totally happy? So there is no way that any parent is un-happy? You can call me want you like but the truth is just what I said.
Don't be afraid of Choice, if it is about the Kids and just about the kids then quit trying to make it out like only the byf is all about the kids. Then cry about syf still being here and allowing Choice.
Why is it that it can only be one sided ?
Why can 't the kids and family have a choice?
Are you that worried that kids may sign up for syf instead of you ?
If your are in this for the kids and not yourself then you should be happy that by having both leagues in the area allows for EVERY kid to play.
It sounds to me like you guys are byf or don't play at all.
GRPride86
05-29-08, 10:05 AM
You keep saying "Choice" and you call the cops on people who are handing out flyers at the end of a driveway but you are actually calling people. Should they call the police on you for that?
Quick question, if Springfield Youth Football voted to go to the BYF and they have the "non-profit" classification, what does your group have. Just wondering since you will have to file financial statements at the end of the year.
Ellet 92
05-29-08, 10:08 AM
I see , ONE of the parents called is totally happy? So there is no way that any parent is un-happy? You can call me want you like but the truth is just what I said.
Don't be afraid of Choice, if it is about the Kids and just about the kids then quit trying to make it out like only the byf is all about the kids. Then cry about syf still being here and allowing Choice.
Why is it that it can only be one sided ?
Why can 't the kids and family have a choice?
Are you that worried that kids may sign up for syf instead of you ?
If your are in this for the kids and not yourself then you should be happy that by having both leagues in the area allows for EVERY kid to play.
It sounds to me like you guys are byf or don't play at all.
Not afraid of choice at all.
The people from Ellet will make the right choice I am sure.
I can't help that you are so desperate for kids that you would stoop so low as to try to recruit kids from other areas to play for you.
It is pretty sad really.
thepolster
05-29-08, 10:29 AM
Not afraid of choice at all.
The people from Ellet will make the right choice I am sure.
I can't help that you are so desperate for kids that you would stoop so low as to try to recruit kids from other areas to play for you.
It is pretty sad really. Just think 92 it might be a good thing you have scabs playing for springfield. It will bring us closer together. They still havnt announced the playing fields. Happy hunting. Anyways the only kids that will play for them are there own., and the ones who havnt heard about the new generation.
spartan71
05-29-08, 10:44 AM
every kid will play plenty under BYF at least 3 quaters game time every week even little johnny bench warmers that see maybe 3 or 4 plays a game under Suburban Youth. can you tell all the kids parents that you are calling to try and steal i mean give a choice that you can guarentee that? we in the byf can and it was one of the points that made our decision easier to change over 90% of parents complaints are about playing time I believe this was a huge problem for ellet with 46 kids on their JV squad last year it must have been a nightmare for the coaches and parents and the kids for that matter this system just is a better set up for youth football...
headhunter34
05-29-08, 10:48 AM
Just relax, high school does not support the division. Mr. Ellis and his board have been guaranteed the support. JUST RELAX.
So many questions lets see if I can answer them all.
1. We will be practicing and playing on Pickle rd. This is absolute !
2.We are a chartered non profit with the state of Ohio
3.Our trade name Is SSYF with a DBA of SYF, Springfield Suburban Youth Football Charter #978381
4.We have Full Support of the Superintendent for all schools in Springfield township.
(Anything byf gets we get and anything we get byf gets.)
5. I'm not going against the people I have worked with over the years, I do not believe in the byf. I am sorry that some of you don't want me to have my opinion but it is mine. I have been in support of SSYF and still am.
6.For those of you who will say Paul got to me well I got news for you, I had never even spoke to the man until last month.
7. For those who are claiming no ball time for there kids, That would have been a coaching problem with a director or asst.Director not doing there Job.
Anything else ?
Barberton and Coply just signed to Suburban Youth!!
GRPride86
05-29-08, 12:52 PM
I hope Kenmore is next.
Irish87
05-29-08, 01:00 PM
Its a no brainer, the Superintendent is going to support both Leagues, but no offense to him, I don't think he has been involved with the Youth Football Organization, to really know what is best for the Township and its kids, as far as Football is concerned. I mean really, he's not gonna say he doesn't support a Non-Profit Organization aimed at helping kids, but I don't think he has been involved with this organization enough, to really make an educated decision on which is best. His main priority and expertise should be in the School systems and how they operate. Decisions on what Football League is best for the Township and its children should be left up to the Youth Football Board. At one time, we were all in agreement(10 - 0) to make the change. Its not like we were taking anything from them. We were simply changing to what we felt was a better league for our kids and Community.
The decision should have and was, made by individuals who have been involved with the Youth for many a years. I myself have been involved with Springfield Youth Football now, for 12 years. Our Director has been around now for around 7 or 8, our Assistant director has been involved now for 6 - 7 years, our President has been involved now for 4 - 5 years, not to mention both of these persons have lived and played football in Springfield all their lives. Our President also runs the STAAL Baseball League in the Young Schoold District, which is very well run and admired by the whole Township.
As you can see, there is a lot of experience, just mentioned, that all believe a change was needed and would benefit Springfield the most. That change was BYF. I've been through the bad times and the good. My son was basically clobbered at the HS as QB. Lack of experience and size on the O-Line was a large contributor to the lackluster performances on Friday night(not to mention a few boneheaded pass attempts by my son :wallbang: ).
I'm not saying your opinion is the wrong one, but if you had seen, or been around as long as I have, along with some other people involved in our Program, you would understand that the children, the Township, the parents, and the schools will all benefit from this change.
United, we could have turned this thing around and made a statement to the Community and surrounding areas, that we are serious about the future. Unfortunatley, the division will only hamper what is already in place, to make a stronger Township and Village.
Can I get a Amen?
Irish87
05-29-08, 01:02 PM
I hope Kenmore is next.
:D :laugh: :laugh:
I can't stop laughing at this.
:laugh:
thepolster
05-29-08, 01:13 PM
The super, hahahahah.
Pickle Rd, hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
in a corn field, cuz I know you cant have full contact at Jed Park. Akron will not allow it. Trust me I know. Barberton , copley thats a surprise. hahahahah what are you going to do for security at the games........... in the cornfield? almost forgot, AMEN
thepolster
05-29-08, 01:17 PM
You guys have no talent or good coaching. You should tell the people your sucking into your black hole that your playing field is only available during harvest. and you have no staff or equipment.
GRPride86
05-29-08, 01:24 PM
As far as Copley goes, there were 40+ kids that were asked to leave the school district this because they didn't live in the district. I'm sure some of those kids played sports. Good luck on policing that one.
Here's what's on their website.
Please Note: If you know of children attending the Copley-Fairlawn City Schools that are not living within our school district boundaries, please call the Board of Education office at 330-664-4800 and report their names, addresses, and the information you have that would indicate they do not live within our District
I believe there's a $100 reward for every family you turn in.
spartan71
05-29-08, 03:06 PM
So many questions lets see if I can answer them all.
1. We will be practicing and playing on Pickle rd. This is absolute !:) if you say so.
2.We are a chartered non profit with the state of Ohio.
3.Our trade name Is SSYF with a DBA of SYF, Springfield Suburban Youth Football Charter #978381..:confused: no comment
4.We have Full Support of the Superintendent for all schools in Springfield township.
(Anything byf gets we get and anything we get byf gets.):) of course thats only fair :rolleyes:
5. I'm not going against the people I have worked with over the years, I do not believe in the byf. I am sorry that some of you don't want me to have my opinion but it is mine. I have been in support of SSYF and still am. :cool: your words to me were thats not real football...
6.For those of you who will say Paul got to me well I got news for you, I had never even spoke to the man until last month. :crush: who said it was Paul thanks for answering that one...
7. For those who are claiming no ball time for there kids, That would have been a coaching problem with a director or asst.Director not doing there Job. :shrug: it was the league putting emphasis on winning by not making participation rules for JV or varsity...:wallbang:
Anything else ?yes what do you want from this to bury BYF in springfield or to co-exist?
as a short reply to thepolster : you have no clue as to what you say. and its not a corn field we are playing on.
bass10: several things I don't like
one I absolutely disagree with basing on grade rather age you could easily have an off sided team as well as large age differences.
I do not agree with 100% unrestricted. I do not see any way there is fair play when a team could have a 175 and a 160 pounder on the line against a team that could have a line of average " normal" sized kids.
based on the national average weight charts the diffrence between syf restrictions and unrestricted is 6%. in otherwords 6% of kids 11 - 13 yrs are over the restricted weight of SYF. I have had more than 6% of parents tell me they are staying ssyf because of the unrestricted of byf. So the whole concept doesn't work if you loose more kids than you gain.
I do not like the fact that flag play's against themselves this does not give them any experience aginst a diffrent team and this is the foundation time to get them ready for tackle.
As for play time, Again if there where children not getting fair play time I find that totally an internal problem that should have been handled.
As for Springfield directly, I do not like that if the JR is unable to field a full team there is no place for them to play. It has happened before and it will happen again.
And as for change being good, well I can agree with that, many of the complaints brought forward should have been handled within the organization. Changing your organization without changing how its ran Does nothing.
Sorry if you disagree with any of this but it is what I see and believe.
Spartan71: if we can co-exist that would be great I don't know if there is enough to go around but I do believe that there should be choice in the matter.
I am vary suprised at how many recieved all the byf info that has been put out and still signed ssyf. there must be a something to that.
Just as a side note I do not recall ever saying "thats not real football" you have me confused with someone.
And my Paul comment refered back several people have made comment to Paul or the syf wink wink nod nod. I say again I didn't know any of them until last month.
Barberton and Coply just signed to Suburban Youth!!
wer'nt they both in before,good luck trying to police them. they will be left alone untill they challenge Green, then they will get them.
as a short reply to thepolster : you have no clue as to what you say. and its not a corn field we are playing on.
bass10: several things I don't like
one I absolutely disagree with basing on grade rather age you could easily have an off sided team as well as large age differences.
I do not agree with 100% unrestricted. I do not see any way there is fair play when a team could have a 175 and a 160 pounder on the line against a team that could have a line of average " normal" sized kids.
based on the national average weight charts the diffrence between syf restrictions and unrestricted is 6%. in otherwords 6% of kids 11 - 13 yrs are over the restricted weight of SYF. I have had more than 6% of parents tell me they are staying ssyf because of the unrestricted of byf. So the whole concept doesn't work if you loose more kids than you gain.
I do not like the fact that flag play's against themselves this does not give them any experience aginst a diffrent team and this is the foundation time to get them ready for tackle.
As for play time, Again if there where children not getting fair play time I find that totally an internal problem that should have been handled.
As for Springfield directly, I do not like that if the JR is unable to field a full team there is no place for them to play. It has happened before and it will happen again.
And as for change being good, well I can agree with that, many of the complaints brought forward should have been handled within the organization. Changing your organization without changing how its ran Does nothing.
Sorry if you disagree with any of this but it is what I see and believe.
OK, as far as age, I'll agree I was worried about my 4th grader going against 6th graders that age wise should have been 7th graders. There was a couple of kids I didn't want my son going against that fit this. After my 1st year this wsn't even an issue. This is something that can and should be brought up to make this a great league, all leagues need tweaking and fixing here & there. Look at the betterment SYFL has made the last few years, they're allowed to change for the better. But all in all, from experience, this isn't a factor it allows you to move kids along, up/down as they progress. I don't know much about flag but in Green we have about 8 teams so playin g each other is pretty good, we can also expand on this and it HAS been brought up. I believe we will play other communities maybe even this year. I agree with play time but I know for a fact many kids were LUCKY to get in on a punt or receive team, I agree this is with our GYF win at all costs mentality that was internal not league problem. I will not buy the % put out about the larger kids and losing kids. Since our new league in Green we have grown tremendously in numbers, anyone thats played will tell you injuries are no more or less in unlimited, the only ones that will our the BYF bashers. As for me, how'd you like it if your kid is a projected 6'5", 235 pounder and not able to play the greatest sport in America at age 9? He also may NEVER play HS ball, you never know, shouldn't he be able to play with his peers and not have to go elsewhere and play with strangers? I do not believe and you can only speculate that you will lose lighter kids. I've seen 80#'s go against 160#'s on the line and eat a up a pretty good tackle because of their quickness and athletic ability. I asked for your views and respect them, here's mine, I personally don't believe 2 leagues in SPringfield will work nearly the way it does in Green! Stay put or all move on with an open mind.
Panther123
05-29-08, 07:59 PM
I really dont understand what all the fuss is here. I have read post after post and can't believe the fuss that has gone on. Springfield's program has really never competed until last year with a illegal kid and the kids father is like the spokesman for this new movement. Our manchester program has done very little to impress anyone other then ourselves. I bet syf is happy these two teams are out of the league. Lets talk x's and o's how can you guys compete at a higher weight limit league, when you could hardly compete and field teams in the old format. The new format does not make you guys all of the sudden be a succesful program. You still have the same people in a new structure. I have no problem with change but just because your change address does not make you a powerhouse or some great program. Now that this has started whats to stop the next guy when he does not like this current league from starting his new league. This is youth sports, I understand your not allowed to mention names on here. But i will leave you with this, look up the head of North Canton youth league where your fixture team of this new league came from, ask them the stuff Green pulled in there and why they are no longer in there. No matter what program or league there is proplems. Starting a new one and tearing your community up is not worth it.
Ellet_32
05-29-08, 08:55 PM
I see , ONE of the parents called is totally happy? So there is no way that any parent is un-happy? You can call me want you like but the truth is just what I said.
Don't be afraid of Choice, if it is about the Kids and just about the kids then quit trying to make it out like only the byf is all about the kids. Then cry about syf still being here and allowing Choice.
Why is it that it can only be one sided ?
Why can 't the kids and family have a choice?
Are you that worried that kids may sign up for syf instead of you ?
If your are in this for the kids and not yourself then you should be happy that by having both leagues in the area allows for EVERY kid to play.
It sounds to me like you guys are byf or don't play at all.
We are all about the kids, the kids of Ellet period. Our choice is BYF so all Ellet kids will play in it. If you want to have a Springfield ssyl league then recruit your own kids, it"s that simple. leave ours alone. We have always had kids play in Springfield and Mogadore, but it was their own choice. Quit the telemarketing calls and stay in Springfield for your kids, because that's what it's supposed to be about, community! Stay out of Ellet!
How many lies can you tell first you tried to convince people that the suburban league was done then the two best teams from the Wadsworth league join the suburban ,with 3-4 others joining next year. Your New Springfield Byf is not a registered organization, you dont have insurance, and in a couple of weeks the other shoe is going to fall and you wont have equipment or a field and your whole board will be in some legal problems. Go ahead and dispute these facts in less than a a week you will know fact from fiction. I hope you keep talking on the forum because you are a public relations nightmare.The super, hahahahah.
Pickle Rd, hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
in a corn field, cuz I know you cant have full contact at Jed Park. Akron will not allow it. Trust me I know. Barberton , copley thats a surprise. hahahahah what are you going to do for security at the games........... in the cornfield? almost forgot, AMEN
What are you guys going to do after you beat every team by 50 points every game. I know you had your differences in the Suburban League but at least teams could compete. After this year the Byf people will make rules against you then were do you go? Also what happens when and if they do away with middle school football again? It seems everyone made more of a emotional move instead of a thought our one. I will be rooting for you guys every game over their it will show everyone how good the Suburban league really is.We are all about the kids, the kids of Ellet period. Our choice is BYF so all Ellet kids will play in it. If you want to have a Springfield ssyl league then recruit your own kids, it"s that simple. leave ours alone. We have always had kids play in Springfield and Mogadore, but it was their own choice. Quit the telemarketing calls and stay in Springfield for your kids, because that's what it's supposed to be about, community! Stay out of Ellet!
Panther123
05-29-08, 10:27 PM
this really will never stop this is the new era of youth sports. The truth is Ellett will become the new Green of Byf. Take a look at the old syf, on the greatest day of the year we could never compete with Ellet nor could Springfield or Tallmadge. So there it is right there what will we all complain about then. You know what will happen Ellett will rule that league in a heart beat, not to knock them they are a great Youth group with supporitive community. There reasons are so different from the rest that left. I am trully ticked off that we had a few lead us into something that really was never even looked at. How many games did our program even watch of this new league last year? How about Springfield did you watch any games? I bet not just jumped in feet first without thought. Not very responsible nor very smart. I guess if it dont work out we can start our own league.
thepolster
05-30-08, 06:42 AM
New screen names same green and manchester dad and son team.
thepolster
05-30-08, 06:47 AM
How many lies can you tell first you tried to convince people that the suburban league was done then the two best teams from the Wadsworth league join the suburban ,with 3-4 others joining next year. Your New Springfield Byf is not a registered organization, you dont have insurance, and in a couple of weeks the other shoe is going to fall and you wont have equipment or a field and your whole board will be in some legal problems. Go ahead and dispute these facts in less than a a week you will know fact from fiction. I hope you keep talking on the forum because you are a public relations nightmare.
harvest time is right around the corner so save your energy. Remember that night at the board meeting when the deal went down? you know what I am talking about .Dont be shy.
green pride
05-30-08, 07:20 AM
I have never hid behind a screen name. I do have a great conversation between us do you want me to send a copy? If you keep up the trash talking about my family I will have no other option then to do what a promised in our conversation.New screen names same green and manchester dad and son team.
GRPride86
05-30-08, 07:37 AM
I heard that Springfield Youth Football (BYF) has approx. 140 kids sign up already. Is this true? And if it is, how many did you have last year?
Panther123
05-30-08, 07:41 AM
who teaches his son to cheat, while bashing a league for dirty play. Why is that ok? You are the protype for todays parent who teaches no morals and discipline to there child. You are off line with the connection to Green. I am a Manchester alumni who is very supportive of our community. I think our program got sold a bill of goods. We had a great program at on time, the syf did not ruin us we ruined ourselves with in. I also think there is some rough times ahead for some teams who think they found a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. This is something that goes on for a longtime not to mention friendships that are ruined over youth sports.
Panther123
05-30-08, 07:53 AM
We are all about the kids, the kids of Ellet period. Our choice is BYF so all Ellet kids will play in it. If you want to have a Springfield ssyl league then recruit your own kids, it"s that simple. leave ours alone. We have always had kids play in Springfield and Mogadore, but it was their own choice. Quit the telemarketing calls and stay in Springfield for your kids, because that's what it's supposed to be about, community! Stay out of Ellet!
From the way it sounds if it was Ellett kids just playing in Ellett last year there would not be this problem. Your message lacks a little trust there in my opionion.
New screen names same green and manchester dad and son team.
I agree, and as usual FOS!!
SSpartans
05-30-08, 08:03 AM
New screen names same green and manchester dad and son team.
I agree
I really dont understand what all the fuss is here. I have read post after post and can't believe the fuss that has gone on. Springfield's program has really never competed until last year with a illegal kid and the kids father is like the spokesman for this new movement. Our manchester program has done very little to impress anyone other then ourselves. I bet syf is happy these two teams are out of the league. Lets talk x's and o's how can you guys compete at a higher weight limit league, when you could hardly compete and field teams in the old format. The new format does not make you guys all of the sudden be a succesful program. You still have the same people in a new structure. I have no problem with change but just because your change address does not make you a powerhouse or some great program. Now that this has started whats to stop the next guy when he does not like this current league from starting his new league. This is youth sports, I understand your not allowed to mention names on here. But i will leave you with this, look up the head of North Canton youth league where your fixture team of this new league came from, ask them the stuff Green pulled in there and why they are no longer in there. No matter what program or league there is proplems. Starting a new one and tearing your community up is not worth it.
New poster Manchester? People you will never get the truth from many posters only twisted angles and comments to put doubt in your heads! 90% of what I read you immediately know which league they're pushing! As of this latest round of BS. Green pulled nothing in the North Canton league, I'm not even going to go into AGAIN the facts of why we left. FYI, NC Commis-Todd Werstler, 497-7152, Asst. Commis- Al Dervin, 499-7247. Fact is they loved us in their league and hated for us to leave, but since Bulldog123, errr Panther123 wants to put some doubt in your heads heres the info give a call. Take another BS angle panther!
GRPride86
05-30-08, 08:16 AM
Also heard that you have 24 or 25 7th graders sign up already. Any truth to that?
spartan71
05-30-08, 08:18 AM
typical scare tactics by suburban and yes the other shoe will fall next week i can tell you that....
spartan71
05-30-08, 08:23 AM
Also heard that you have 24 or 25 7th graders sign up already. Any truth to that?
yes there is truth to that we could be at our target of 30 7th graders soon and hopefully more than that... what are your numbers SSYF? you wont get these 7th graders because half of them would be descriminated against by your weight restrictions...last years numbers under Suburban youth for 7th and 8th graders was 18 and 2 were injured most of the season there were 9 kids on the varsity squad last year until the JH finally got the kabash you tell me that is a path we need to continue down i say the change was the right choice our current numbers already surpass last years and its still May...
spartan71
05-30-08, 08:26 AM
I heard that Springfield Youth Football (BYF) has approx. 140 kids sign up already. Is this true? And if it is, how many did you have last year?the program last year had around 170 total that is what i was told..
spartan71
05-30-08, 08:37 AM
this really will never stop this is the new era of youth sports. The truth is Ellett will become the new Green of Byf. Take a look at the old syf, on the greatest day of the year we could never compete with Ellet nor could Springfield or Tallmadge. So there it is right there what will we all complain about then. You know what will happen Ellett will rule that league in a heart beat, not to knock them they are a great Youth group with supporitive community. There reasons are so different from the rest that left. I am trully ticked off that we had a few lead us into something that really was never even looked at. How many games did our program even watch of this new league last year? How about Springfield did you watch any games? I bet not just jumped in feet first without thought. Not very responsible nor very smart. I guess if it dont work out we can start our own league. there is the winning only mentality this is about training all kids for the future nobody remembers who the youth champs are every year except the champs.. who won the league in 81' who cares!!! did the kids learn to play football?? could all kids who want to play participate? those are the important issue and IMO Manchester had to go they were losing kids to other programs their numbers were grim and there are dark forces there recruiting there already minute numbers..
Irish87
05-30-08, 09:30 AM
I really dont understand what all the fuss is here. I have read post after post and can't believe the fuss that has gone on. Springfield's program has really never competed until last year with a illegal kid and the kids father is like the spokesman for this new movement. Our manchester program has done very little to impress anyone other then ourselves. I bet syf is happy these two teams are out of the league. Lets talk x's and o's how can you guys compete at a higher weight limit league, when you could hardly compete and field teams in the old format. The new format does not make you guys all of the sudden be a succesful program. You still have the same people in a new structure. I have no problem with change but just because your change address does not make you a powerhouse or some great program.Starting a new one and tearing your community up is not worth it.
But Panther,
this is where you are incorrect. I understand that, because your not from our Community and you have no idea what our Community needs. Not once, has anybdy said changing Leagues is going to make us a Powerhouse in Youth. If you read back through some my Posts and Spartan71, you'll see, the change is being made to allow all kids to have the opportunity to play Youth Football. We understand we will probably never win a League. Its difficult for us to compete with other Communities who are consistently putting out 200 kids in their Programs. Springfield isn't, therefore talent is scarce. Along with this, if the kids aren't coming out, we can not teach them and help improve their skills. Along with this, our HS Team has struggled over the last 10 years. Experience, size and numbers have significantly decreased. In the past, there really was no option for us. SYF was the League in our area and thats what we had to go with. Now, BYF comes along and gives us, as well as the children, options. With all of the crap we have been through in our Youth Program, and a lot of crap that happened within the SYF, we began to look into these options. A lot research and discussions were put into the decision, and from the first sign up day after the information was released, I'd say we're on the right track. 20 kids from the 7th grade alone, in May, already!! Are you kidding me?! I don't think our Varsity Team has ever started the Season in August, with 20 kids! And throw in the fact that 12 of these kids are over 160 lbs!
Unless you've been around our Program for a while, I don't think you can really have an educated opinion of what our Town really needs. No offense intended. But really, I don't think you would really want me, a citizen of Springfield, to tell you guys in Manchester, what you really need.
And lastly, don't forget, at one point our Organization was all on the same side. We voted 10 - 0 to make a change, because we all felt this was in the best interest of the kids of our Town. Nobody's leaving because we think we're gonna win the League.
thepolster
05-30-08, 10:37 AM
I have never hid behind a screen name. I do have a great conversation between us do you want me to send a copy? If you keep up the trash talking about my family I will have no other option then to do what a promised in our conversation. Please make the tape known. I am stupid enough to incriminate myself talking on a phone you little man. Get real. I told the truth, but keep bringing it up and I will keep telling anyone who wants the truth. Lets play ~lets make a backdoor deal~. Any takers? Whats wrong little man the cant take the heat?
green pride
05-30-08, 11:20 AM
Ok your on. And yes I do think your stupid enough you forged a goverment document and a registration form and you still couldnt win, pathetic teach your kid to lie. Even your new group doesnt want to claim you.Please make the tape known. I am stupid enough to incriminate myself talking on a phone you little man. Get real. I told the truth, but keep bringing it up and I will keep telling anyone who wants the truth. Lets play ~lets make a backdoor deal~. Any takers? Whats wrong little man the cant take the heat?
thepolster
05-30-08, 11:26 AM
Ok your on. And yes I do think your stupid enough you forged a goverment document and a registration form and you still couldnt win, pathetic teach your kid to lie. Even your new group doesnt want to claim you.
I guess its on. I hope you know what you are asking me to do. Thanks for the invite.
green pride
05-30-08, 11:31 AM
All you did was take kids from the middle school. The big 7th graders would have played for the 7th grade. How are you going to field a middle school year after year with just 8th graders? The numbers dont add up. I do however respect your opinion and you guys feel strong then good luck. My problem is with people around you that attack a great organization and lie. How on earth do you have the Polster involved with your program? Everyone here had such problems with Ed as the Director now you dont, seems funny. I have never had a problem with you, we have always had a good relationship. I hope you guys will have enough kids for two programs. I would like to talk to you pm me or give me a call I would like to clear the air and also give you my phone conversation with Baso so you can let everyone there know. But Panther,
this is where you are incorrect. I understand that, because your not from our Community and you have no idea what our Community needs. Not once, has anybdy said changing Leagues is going to make us a Powerhouse in Youth. If you read back through some my Posts and Spartan71, you'll see, the change is being made to allow all kids to have the opportunity to play Youth Football. We understand we will probably never win a League. Its difficult for us to compete with other Communities who are consistently putting out 200 kids in their Programs. Springfield isn't, therefore talent is scarce. Along with this, if the kids aren't coming out, we can not teach them and help improve their skills. Along with this, our HS Team has struggled over the last 10 years. Experience, size and numbers have significantly decreased. In the past, there really was no option for us. SYF was the League in our area and thats what we had to go with. Now, BYF comes along and gives us, as well as the children, options. With all of the crap we have been through in our Youth Program, and a lot of crap that happened within the SYF, we began to look into these options. A lot research and discussions were put into the decision, and from the first sign up day after the information was released, I'd say we're on the right track. 20 kids from the 7th grade alone, in May, already!! Are you kidding me?! I don't think our Varsity Team has ever started the Season in August, with 20 kids! And throw in the fact that 12 of these kids are over 160 lbs!
Unless you've been around our Program for a while, I don't think you can really have an educated opinion of what our Town really needs. No offense intended. But really, I don't think you would really want me, a citizen of Springfield, to tell you guys in Manchester, what you really need.
And lastly, don't forget, at one point our Organization was all on the same side. We voted 10 - 0 to make a change, because we all felt this was in the best interest of the kids of our Town. Nobody's leaving because we think we're gonna win the League.
thepolster
05-30-08, 11:41 AM
All you did was take kids from the middle school. The big 7th graders would have played for the 7th grade. How are you going to field a middle school year after year with just 8th graders? The numbers dont add up. I do however respect your opinion and you guys feel strong then good luck. My problem is with people around you that attack a great organization and lie. How on earth do you have the Polster involved with your program? Everyone here had such problems with Ed as the Director now you dont, seems funny. I have never had a problem with you, we have always had a good relationship. I hope you guys will have enough kids for two programs. I would like to talk to you pm me or give me a call I would like to clear the air and also give you my phone conversation with Baso so you can let everyone there know.
Its BOSO.
GRPride86
05-30-08, 11:49 AM
What a testament it is to an organization that people (adults?) are recording conversations about “Youth Football”. Next thing you know, people will be talking into their shoe like Maxwell Smart.
The person or person’s from Springfield calling and recruiting kids from other districts got called on the carpet last night. And when asked where he got the “personal” information from, his reply was a “disgruntled parent”. Wow, how does a “disgruntled parent” get a hold of sensitive information like that? Makes you wonder.
Recording conversations without all parties involved knowing, passing out sensitive information about minor children, sounds more like a presidential campaign then Youth Football signups.
If you guys are so well versed in counter intelligence and spy games, I’m sure Uncle Sam is looking for a “few good men” to put their talents to use for “good” and not “evil”.
Back to signups, if you have had approx. 140 kids sign up already that’s great for you guys. How many possible players do you think are actually in your community, 200 to 220? You seem to be on the right track if these are in fact some good estimates.
Irish87
05-30-08, 11:51 AM
All you did was take kids from the middle school. The big 7th graders would have played for the 7th grade. How are you going to field a middle school year after year with just 8th graders? The numbers dont add up. I do however respect your opinion and you guys feel strong then good luck. My problem is with people around you that attack a great organization and lie. How on earth do you have the Polster involved with your program? Everyone here had such problems with Ed as the Director now you dont, seems funny. I have never had a problem with you, we have always had a good relationship. I hope you guys will have enough kids for two programs. I would like to talk to you pm me or give me a call I would like to clear the air and also give you my phone conversation with Baso so you can let everyone there know.
Green pride,
absolutely no hard feelings between you and me. I'm sorry things turned out this way. Trust me, I've lost a lot of sleep over this whole change, and still stand by my/our decision. I've always repected SYF and will continue to do so in the future. Life is too short to have things like this wear on you. I hope in the near future, we get enough kids out, to support 2 Programs as Green does.
The Director and I have had our differences in the past. We've been able to work those things out, put them aside and move on. Will we bump heads again in the future? Probably, but we are mature enough to talk(some talks more heated than others :) ) it out and try and work things out in the best interest of the kids.
I don't think anybody associated with our Organization has attacked SYF. We respect what it has done for the kids and will continue to respect its Members and Organization in the future. I just wish the people who had a change of heart, would have gotten a hold of the others, before making their stand. I think as a whole, we could have all come to a conclusion and been on the same page, before all of this division happened. Instead, they went through with things, and 4 weeks later, decided to clue the rest of the Board in on their change of heart.
The Polster is not part of our Organization. He is a hard working, opinionated, wear your emotions on your sleeve, direct, kind of person. Whether I like it or not, it doesn't matter. He will do what he feels is right. Do I agree with everything he does? No. But again, life goes on. But just to clarify, he is not a member of our Organization nor will be in the future, but does do a lot for the Community and Kids. Sometimes too much. :p
Panther123
05-30-08, 12:15 PM
Why engage in all this B.S, seriously why not lead by example and put to bed all these fires. My point is yes the outline of the program is good but the way this all went down is classless. You make very good valid points about weights and every kid gets to play. Here is what your forgeting, the syf league was always intended for the smaller child that has not developed or was to small. Now you can advertise that everyone plays with the unlimited weight but the truth is all it is going to do is drive that smaller child away from football into other sports. It is to early to tell but i think this will cause some trouble down the road. All my kids are grown and threw the system but it is very unfortunate for my kids children. Springfield problems will continue just as Manchesters problems will because we still have the same old running the new ship. I can't tell you what is best for your community, but from exp i can tell you there will be some very tough roads ahead unless you mend bridges within your community. I don't even know this polster but he truly makes a bad representation from the outside of what sringfield is about.
Irish87
05-30-08, 12:20 PM
What a testament it is to an organization that people (adults?) are recording conversations about “Youth Football”. Next thing you know, people will be talking into their shoe like Maxwell Smart.
The person or person’s from Springfield calling and recruiting kids from other districts got called on the carpet last night. And when asked where he got the “personal” information from, his reply was a “disgruntled parent”. Wow, how does a “disgruntled parent” get a hold of sensitive information like that? Makes you wonder.
Recording conversations without all parties involved knowing, passing out sensitive information about minor children, sounds more like a presidential campaign then Youth Football signups.
If you guys are so well versed in counter intelligence and spy games, I’m sure Uncle Sam is looking for a “few good men” to put their talents to use for “good” and not “evil”.
Back to signups, if you have had approx. 140 kids sign up already that’s great for you guys. How many possible players do you think are actually in your community, 200 to 220? You seem to be on the right track if these are in fact some good estimates.
GR86,
not exactly sure of the numbers. I'll find out for you. It sounds like your numbers of 140 kids, may include Cheerleaders. Giving official numbers, in my opinion, with the situation going on will probably be more of a "mind game" anyways, ya know what I mean? I do know at last months sign up, we had over 40 football players sign up, and 17 were 7th graders alone.
Keep in mind we have had sign ups since February, so i'm not sure of those numbers at this time.
Why engage in all this B.S, seriously why not lead by example and put to bed all these fires. My point is yes the outline of the program is good but the way this all went down is classless. You make very good valid points about weights and every kid gets to play. Here is what your forgeting, the syf league was always intended for the smaller child that has not developed or was to small. Now you can advertise that everyone plays with the unlimited weight but the truth is all it is going to do is drive that smaller child away from football into other sports. It is to early to tell but i think this will cause some trouble down the road. All my kids are grown and threw the system but it is very unfortunate for my kids children. Springfield problems will continue just as Manchesters problems will because we still have the same old running the new ship. I can't tell you what is best for your community, but from exp i can tell you there will be some very tough roads ahead unless you mend bridges within your community. I don't even know this polster but he truly makes a bad representation from the outside of what sringfield is about.
Believe it or not Panther I agree with you on this. However, with the smaller kid debate? for 30+ years the syf pushed the larger kids away into other activities, so there is no where to agree on this. I guess at what age does the majority believe its ok to get the smaller kids ready to play a very aggressive sport with stronger, faster, bigger kids? For me it was my freshman year after playing 7 years of syf when a 200# fullback broke thru the line free and clear and I was free safety at 120#, would it have mattered if this happened at 6th grade? probably not. Anyway you're absolutely right when you said our energy should be put forth in running our organization and 100% for the kids. Thats what we asked years ago when BYF was formed and could care less what else was happening.
Panther123
05-30-08, 12:41 PM
170 vs 110 is a big dif between 139 to 110 at a 12 and 13 age. but i'm not tring to sell you something, you have already bought the product. now you need to make it work because there are people sitting there right now thinking we will give this a shot. mark my words though as soon as something goes down the wrong way there will be people chirping tring to start something. If you unite the front you will have more strength to calm the fuss. I stated early Greens byf was asked to leave there past league in a kind manner. this is what bothers me is we are holding this new league up like its the greatest and it consist of the two poorer teams of syf and Tallmadge. Ellet being the only solid program that left. You throw in Green who has had issues with over playing kids between the jv varisity and others. i don't know only time will tell
Irish87
05-30-08, 12:45 PM
[QUOTE=Panther123;3116901]Springfield problems will continue just as Manchesters problems will because we still have the same old running the new ship.QUOTE]
But again, this is not true. The Director from last year quit, the Assistant Director/ or President from last year(not sure which title he held) did not return, the Secratary resigned, we hired a new Cheer Director and we had a new Vice President this year.
This year, just about every position on the Board was new or held a new Title, except maybe one person. We added Trustees and a Booster Club for added support and unity.
I'd say that was significant changes.
Irish87
05-30-08, 12:56 PM
What people are failing to understand is,
at one point back in April, our entire Organization was on board with the decision to change. Nobody stood up and expressed their concern. Everything was thrown out on the table. It was a unanimous decision to make the move. Not until 4 weeks later, did we find out, there was a change of heart by a few people. Four weeks went by and nobody called anybody to say anything! Instead, some made the decision to go forward and create 2 Leagues in the Township. This is the exact thing we discussed as an Organization, that we didn't want to happen back in February. Everyone was in agreement on this. Why now, is it ok with some to have 2 Leagues? The decision was made based on the majority, but now we are split.
Again, unless you were involved or around the process, its hard to understand.
green pride
05-30-08, 01:42 PM
My only argument is you were lied to about your administration and the syf. Is it true that you were told that the school would not support syf. That is a lie because the AD and Superintendent will support both. Also there was a statement that all the SYF teams were leaving so we better leave before there is no league, another lie the League is stronger now with alot of the problem people gone. If you had the facts would you have made the switch?
I dont think so.
Panther123
05-30-08, 01:48 PM
Panther,
It has worked for me for the past 3 years so this is not trial & error. Its been absolutely awsome to see these bigger kids out there playing. As for coaches going for the win in JV, that is something that will always need addressed when a coach wants to win too badly, JV should be play all kids as much as possible first, win 2nd, but its difficult to tell a guy that gives up every evening of his time that winning at the JV level isn't important thats what V is for. Also, I will clerify once again & listed the NC league directors number, I don't know where u got your info (I can assume pretty close though) but Green wasn't asked to leave the NC league, they left to get our 3rd graders involved at BYF, believe what u want or confirm with phone numbers I provided.
This is what middle school was for. I have ben a official for a longtime and reffed several of the games with North Canton and yes Green was asked not to come back and it had everything to do with game play. My problem with people in life is everyone deflects. Our Manchester program will even be more disadvantanged then ever. For every lg child we pick up and put on the field the bigger school pick up 5 to 6. And with syf unlike byf you only played the bigger schools a few times a year. We were protected by playing the smaller teams in the division. Guess what now only game we have to look forward to playing is each other. This is not a place for smaller teams and programs. Keep telling yourself and everyone else that this is right for us. Tell me how fun is it when your high school plays the big schools and gets beat 40 to o by the bigger teams no fun. i see it in the kids eyes as there out there in the huddle. So this year as we sit and watch our little Johnies get there playing time and can now further not compete. Tell me dear kind sir how this is a great move for us. We are not Ellett or Tallmadge we got taken for a ride so a league can say they have x amount of teams.
Irish87
05-30-08, 01:59 PM
My only argument is you were lied to about your administration and the syf. Is it true that you were told that the school would not support syf. That is a lie because the AD and Superintendent will support both. Also there was a statement that all the SYF teams were leaving so we better leave before there is no league, another lie the League is stronger now with alot of the problem people gone. If you had the facts would you have made the switch?
I dont think so.
No, this is not true. The HS AD and HC said they would support both Leagues. It was explained to us, that in the near future, they would like to see Springfield have an un-limited League, so all kids get the opportunity. They never told me, they would not support SYF. In fact, he told me directly, he would support both Leagues, if and when that happened. I can not speak about the Super, I never spoke with him.
The statement was addressed to the Board before the change, that Ellet, Tallmadge and Manchester all made the switch. It was also expressed that Field, Kent and Ravenna we exploring their options and had Representatives attending BYF Meetings getting more specifics. Nobody ever told anybody, that SYF would not exist in the future. We all talked about how this Town would eventually have a Striped League, and with the teams mentioned above, who already made the move and the others looking at the possibility, it might be advantageous for us to also make a move. Nobody lied to anybody at our Meetings. Again, a lot of this is he said she said type of stuff. People hear what they want to hear sometimes.
Keep in mind, there were a lot of upset Directors in SYF at this time as well. I don't think you can deny that. Lot of gossip about behind the scenes meetings, rule changes, not to mention the Resigning of your own VP becasue of these same issues. There was a lot that came into play, in making our decision. trust me, it wasn't an easy one and we knew we would have to educate the people quickly, in order to have a smooth transition.
Until the bomb was dropped.
spartan71
05-30-08, 02:39 PM
we were not fooling anybody nor were we trying :shrug: we simply wanted to allow all kids the chance to play youth football. if suburban youth would have went unlimited we would never have left the issue was what does our township need to help turn the whole program around not who scratched our backs or who our buddies are. paint it up like you want it to be seen, but if you were to go to every person in the township or any man who ever had to play football for Springfield High School and showed them both formats for youth football BYF vs. SYF and asked them which would help our township become respectable in football again well lets just say it would be unanimous just like our vote was...
i talked with an guy the other day who was a stud football players for Springfield in the early 70's and was a coach in SSYF in the 90's alot of you reading probably know who i am talking about, at the time he did not know i was involved with the youth program and i asked him when do you think the H.S. will turn this around? his words to me were: until we get a good youth feeder program never. he went on about how Suburban was created long ago for smaller kids who would never play @ H.S. and that without producing trained big lineman at the youth level you are way behind especially in this day and age. i could see in his eyes that loss of pride feeling that all of us who wore the red and gray on fridaynight have had lately. i personally had good friends when i graduated who were huge strong athletic kids that never stepped foot on a football field here in springfield (except for the halftime show) because they never got to taste it when they were young because of the weight restrictions here. i played SYF when i was a kid here in springfield Dick Kapper coached here in springfield then and i respect him in the highest way and his family, there was no beefs with anyone just the weight restriction. i hope everyone understands this and i hope everyone can support our cause based on it merits because we will be playing unlimited weight youth football in springfield this year one way or the other.
green pride
05-30-08, 02:43 PM
Who do you think made up the gossip? Our VP is now the President of the league because much of the BS left when Tallmadge and Ellet left. I think it is funny that the most corrupt team being Ellet is over with the new league speaks volumes. The Tallmadge Director was the biggest whinner and His coach needed excuses because they could never beat Stow, Green or Cuy Falls we must be cheating. What will the excuse be in the new league cant wait to hear. No, this is not true. The HS AD and HC said they would support both Leagues. It was explained to us, that in the near future, they would like to see Springfield have an un-limited League, so all kids get the opportunity. They never told me, they would not support SYF. In fact, he told me directly, he would support both Leagues, if and when that happened. I can not speak about the Super, I never spoke with him.
The statement was addressed to the Board before the change, that Ellet, Tallmadge and Manchester all made the switch. It was also expressed that Field, Kent and Ravenna we exploring their options and had Representatives attending BYF Meetings getting more specifics. Nobody ever told anybody, that SYF would not exist in the future. We all talked about how this Town would eventually have a Striped League, and with the teams mentioned above, who already made the move and the others looking at the possibility, it might be advantageous for us to also make a move. Nobody lied to anybody at our Meetings. Again, a lot of this is he said she said type of stuff. People hear what they want to hear sometimes.
Keep in mind, there were a lot of upset Directors in SYF at this time as well. I don't think you can deny that. Lot of gossip about behind the scenes meetings, rule changes, not to mention the Resigning of your own VP becasue of these same issues. There was a lot that came into play, in making our decision. trust me, it wasn't an easy one and we knew we would have to educate the people quickly, in order to have a smooth transition.
Until the bomb was dropped.
Who do you think made up the gossip? Our VP is now the President of the league because much of the BS left when Tallmadge and Ellet left. I think it is funny that the most corrupt team being Ellet is over with the new league speaks volumes. The Tallmadge Director was the biggest whinner and His coach needed excuses because they could never beat Stow, Green or Cuy Falls we must be cheating. What will the excuse be in the new league cant wait to hear.
I guess it is wrong to speak out when you see that the kids in the community are being wronged.
So nobody can talk about your family but you can talk about other people. He has done more for our community and TYF in past few years than you have ever done. So when you can keep your mouth shut about other people maybe your family will not be talked about anymore.
green pride
05-30-08, 02:55 PM
I dont think I started this witch hunt the brave people of Yappi that dont have the guts to say things in person they hid behind the scenes.I guess it is wrong to speak out when you see that the kids in the community are being wronged.
So nobody can talk about your family but you can talk about other people. He has done more for our community and TYF in past few years than you have ever done. So when you can keep your mouth shut about other people maybe your family will not be talked about anymore.
green pride
05-30-08, 02:56 PM
I had not been on here in months and you people still are talking crap. I guess it is wrong to speak out when you see that the kids in the community are being wronged.
So nobody can talk about your family but you can talk about other people. He has done more for our community and TYF in past few years than you have ever done. So when you can keep your mouth shut about other people maybe your family will not be talked about anymore.
Most people are not hiding behind the scenes. Most of the people on here know who everyone is. Granted there are always anonymous people but the main players are known.
You act all rightous and holy when you and your family are talked about but you still feel the need to try and belittle others. Well done, sir.
I looked at your old posts and you rip on anyone that disagrees with your holy league. You guys are like a cult, I have many friends in Green that were lied to about what league they were playing for and they switched because nobody told the truth. People are always going to disagree with weight either way the big problem is how Byf goes about luring teams over lies and deciet is the problem. I think both leagues have merit but the ethics of how people in your league do things, I dont want my kids around that.Well it seems we'll never agree on anything Panther. We were getting close. This isn't a bad thing. As for MYF, look, a gun wasn't held to anyones head to make a switch, don't blame us. These people aren't all dumb, if they were so called lied to then don't you think someone in the organiation could see thru it? Just because MYF doesn't agree with you are they all wrong? Come on. That organization made a decision to go another route, who are u, me, little Dick or anyone else to say they did the right or wrong thing. All we can say is they did it the way we didn't like so lets bash them, their educated decision and the league they decided to join. Once again, I don't care if u reffed games in NC or not you need to put proof on the table of NC asking BYF to leave or ----. Any jerk can get on here and spew BS, give people facts to this or move on. Thank you dear kind sir.
New screen names same green and manchester dad and son team.
I would vaery much agree to this also, and Ellet is spelled this way. Duh
I heard you were moving to Lake next year, why wouldnt your kid play for Lake?there is the winning only mentality this is about training all kids for the future nobody remembers who the youth champs are every year except the champs.. who won the league in 81' who cares!!! did the kids learn to play football?? could all kids who want to play participate? those are the important issue and IMO Manchester had to go they were losing kids to other programs their numbers were grim and there are dark forces there recruiting there already minute numbers..
I looked at your old posts and you rip on anyone that disagrees with your holy league. You guys are like a cult, I have many friends in Green that were lied to about what league they were playing for and they switched because nobody told the truth. People are always going to disagree with weight either way the big problem is how Byf goes about luring teams over lies and deciet is the problem. I think both leagues have merit but the ethics of how people in your league do things, I dont want my kids around that.
I don't remember ripping people that don't agree with me. I feel the need to defend the league to the untruths and twisting things to bad mouth BYF. I actually believe in both leagues, I played 7 years in SYFL. I just have a son or 2 that couldn't/wouldn't be playing youth football because of size. What would you do given this option and the fact I myself love football? Please, its ridiculous! Also, please don't just come on here and say lies and deceipt were all from BYF, anyone can say crap....the facts are they are both competing for kids, it goes both ways. Go to BYF night and see all the kids and parent volunteers, good kids, good people and LOTS of them. You're smokin something to say all these good people are liars and cheaters.
This dad and son team remind me so much of the dad and son team on Smokey and the bandit. Control, size, brains.
LOL I cant stop laughing
GRPride86
05-30-08, 03:45 PM
I can see this thread being closed soon.... LOL
Dont call me a whiner, my job was to look out for the best interest of the Tallmadge players,and you and your daddy cheating and changing rules and start dates, and you having access to everyones paperwork thats all BS just so baby boy can win. You started this, I said nothing about you and you call me a whiner, your the whiner cry baby
green pride
05-30-08, 03:52 PM
I do agree there are great people in every organization. Kids play for all kind of reasons their friends are their ect. Most people dont get caught up in the crap that we are all talking about. I am done defending myself to you people I will still volunteer my time as I have for 24 years. I hope both leagues stay around I truly do both have merit we are lucky in Green our people have a choice. I think we are all missing the point and I put myself there too. Most everyone on here is a volunteer and does good things for the community I promised myself I would not get on this stupid site but I did. We have to much good to do than to sit back and ----- at each other. If anyone has a problem pick up the phone or set up a meeting. I am done I have to many important things to do. Good luck Springfield I don't remember ripping people that don't agree with me. I feel the need to defend the league to the untruths and twisting things to bad mouth BYF. I actually believe in both leagues, I played 7 years in SYFL. I just have a son or 2 that couldn't/wouldn't be playing youth football because of size. What would you do given this option and the fact I myself love football? Please, its ridiculous! Also, please don't just come on here and say lies and deceipt were all from BYF, anyone can say crap....the facts are they are both competing for kids, it goes both ways. Go to BYF night and see all the kids and parent volunteers, good kids, good people and LOTS of them. You're smokin something to say all these good people are liars and cheaters.
Panther123
05-30-08, 03:55 PM
this was not a majority rule over here as it was not over there. What we had over here is a decision was made with the min of people knowing what the h-ll was going on. no excuse simply the fact. From what I see here and have been reading for the last 2 months, it seems to be the same here. I am for sure the intentions of this league are well and good. But the attitude of I am taking my ball and going home is no good. Believe me the intentions are good,but not a good fit for us or you. From syf point they are proably happy we are gone. I feel as though our programs have been pimped. Im not saying syf was the holy grail, but indeed it had a better fit for our program. Again time will tell. This Polster guy, is it true he cheated for his son? I went back and read his post and he even let his son on here to talk about it. What does that teach a child.
green pride
05-30-08, 03:55 PM
Good luck Sam by the way Sam we won long before my daddy was on the board. Hope you guys do good over there. My prediction is you and Ellet will be in the Championship. Dont call me a whiner, my job was to look out for the best interest of the Tallmadge players,and you and your daddy cheating and changing rules and start dates, and you having access to everyones paperwork thats all BS just so baby boy can win. You started this, I said nothing about you and you call me a whiner, your the whiner cry baby
Good luck Sam by the way Sam we won long before my daddy was on the board. Hope you guys do good over there. My prediction is you and Ellet will be in the Championship.
Good luck to you also, and by the way I had 3 people from your board call my house and ask for help in getting rid of you, I told them good luck I wasnt that kind of person.only you and daddy would do that kind of business.
spartan71
05-30-08, 04:07 PM
I heard you were moving to Lake next year, why wouldnt your kid play for Lake? last time i checked i still live in springfield and when and if i move my kids will play where they are supposed to and i will still coach in springfield but this is not about my kids anyways if i can help give springfield one more thing before i move on it will be unlimited weight youth football the chance to play is all it takes for some kids..
green pride
05-30-08, 04:09 PM
Wow thats news I only have 4 on my board and I asked them if I could quite and they would not let me. One is my wife and the other is Smash boy I better make sure my wife is happy. Sam I am sorry you could not be competitive in our league you will do good over there Good luck to you also, and by the way I had 3 people from your board call my house and ask for help in getting rid of you, I told them good luck I wasnt that kind of person.only you and daddy would do that kind of business.
Irish87
05-30-08, 04:14 PM
this was not a majority rule over here as it was not over there. What we had over here is a decision was made with the min of people knowing what the h-ll was going on. no excuse simply the fact. From what I see here and have been reading for the last 2 months, it seems to be the same here. I am for sure the intentions of this league are well and good. But the attitude of I am taking my ball and going home is no good.
Explain to me how 10 -0 Vote by all Board Members is not majority?:shrug:
I mean, c'mon.
If they had a change of heart after the Vote and feel they made a mistake, it should have been brought to the attention of everyone soon after, not a month after.
SSpartans
05-30-08, 04:15 PM
Wow thats news I only have 4 on my board and I asked them if I could quite and they would not let me. One is my wife and the other is Smash boy I better make sure my wife is happy. Sam I am sorry you could not be competitive in our league you will do good over there
Board getting kind of small these days lol
I do agree there are great people in every organization. Kids play for all kind of reasons their friends are their ect. Most people dont get caught up in the crap that we are all talking about. I am done defending myself to you people I will still volunteer my time as I have for 24 years. I hope both leagues stay around I truly do both have merit we are lucky in Green our people have a choice. I think we are all missing the point and I put myself there too. Most everyone on here is a volunteer and does good things for the community I promised myself I would not get on this stupid site but I did. We have to much good to do than to sit back and ----- at each other. If anyone has a problem pick up the phone or set up a meeting. I am done I have to many important things to do. Good luck Springfield
I agree, I'd bet we'd all get along great over a brew or two. We should focus on running the best possible organization with upmost morals for our kids. The parents are the ones getting caught up in everything and need to put this energy to the kids. Unfortunately good/bad parents drive things.
thepolster
05-30-08, 04:19 PM
Board getting kind of small these days lol
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahah ahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where is your beloved kent board member. Lets read his letter to your board, and talk about coruption. I just went with the flow and now your trying to cover your rear GP.
green pride
05-30-08, 04:21 PM
Would love to do that if you could set that up.I agree, I'd bet we'd all get along great over a brew or two. We should focus on running the best possible organization with upmost morals for our kids. The parents are the ones getting caught up in everything and need to put this energy to the kids. Unfortunately good/bad parents drive things.
Panther123
05-30-08, 04:21 PM
Explain to me how 10 -0 Vote by all Board Members is not majority?:shrug:
I mean, c'mon.
If they had a change of heart after the Vote and feel they made a mistake, it should have been brought to the attention of everyone soon after, not a month after.
was that yeah the people int he know knew. But take in account as a whole organization did not.
Irish87
05-30-08, 04:25 PM
was that yeah the people int he know knew. But take in account as a whole organization did not.
But isn't that what the Board is supposed to do? Do what they feel is best for the entire Organization?
If not, why even have a Board? What is their purpose?
Irish87
05-30-08, 04:34 PM
Panther,
we ran into issues last year, with one man making all the decesions for SSYF. It turned a lot of people off and we lost one of our most loyal Board Members due to his neglegence(sp). When this man quit, we, as an Organization vowed not to have that happen again. The good ole fashion Democracy was put back in place for situations like this. I don't know of a better system than Democracy.
Board getting kind of small these days lolits easier to control 4 people
spartanmom12
05-30-08, 04:37 PM
Care For A Dance?
thepolster
05-30-08, 04:38 PM
Care For A Dance?
We are trying to have dialog here. Irish 3000 is getting it done.
I cant dance very well, but thanks
spartanmom12
05-30-08, 04:40 PM
I had not been on here in months and you people still are talking crap.
WHAT?
spartanmom12
05-30-08, 04:41 PM
We are trying to have dialog here. Irish 3000 is getting it done.HIS GREEN LIGHT ISNT ON. MY RED LIGHTS ON.
WHAT?He hasnt been on here as Green Pride, Dosnt everyone think there should be a rule, only one screen name per person
thepolster
05-30-08, 04:44 PM
Green pride, I try to leave on a good note and you rip our league? Come on, BYF has played in the championship the last two years and you still can't give us any credit. We'll be back even though I guess we don't have the coaching talent or kids GYF has. Thanks for your vote of confidence but our teams will compete well with Tallmadge & Ellet. I'm already aware of who their players are.
I think you have made a mistake bas10, spartans will be champs playing at our field at schrop jr high school. The puppet master has left the building.
spartanmom12
05-30-08, 04:46 PM
He hasnt been on here as Green Pride, Dosnt everyone think there should be a rule, only one screen name per person WHO ELSE IS HE!?????
Who do you think made up the gossip? Our VP is now the President of the league because much of the BS left when Tallmadge and Ellet left. I think it is funny that the most corrupt team being Ellet is over with the new league speaks volumes. The Tallmadge Director was the biggest whinner and His coach needed excuses because they could never beat Stow, Green or Cuy Falls we must be cheating. What will the excuse be in the new league cant wait to hear.
no one ever complained about Stow or Falls or even Green cheating, it was the Kappers who cheat.
And also we did very well against everyone at A,B, and C level.It was Varsity we had trouble competing with your 14 yr olds. That is why we switched leagues so our 7th graders can play against other 7th graders.
Ellet 92
05-30-08, 05:04 PM
Who do you think made up the gossip? Our VP is now the President of the league because much of the BS left when Tallmadge and Ellet left. I think it is funny that the most corrupt team being Ellet is over with the new league speaks volumes. The Tallmadge Director was the biggest whinner and His coach needed excuses because they could never beat Stow, Green or Cuy Falls we must be cheating. What will the excuse be in the new league cant wait to hear.
LOL....HAHAHAHA..... I can't stop laughing.
It is so funny how everyone who has left SYF is either a liar or a cheater.
Get a clue....Just because people make decisions based on what's best for their organizations does not mean they bad people, liars or cheaters!
Ellet most corrupt! Are you kidding?????
Ellet 92
05-30-08, 05:09 PM
no one ever complained about Stow or Falls or even Green cheating, it was the Kappers who cheat.
And also we did very well against everyone at A,B, and C level.It was Varsity we had trouble competing with your 14 yr olds. That is why we switched leagues so our 7th graders can play against other 7th graders.
Hey wait a minute here.....
Pride said that Ellet was the most corrupt organization so it must be true!
We all know Ellet was the only problem in SYF....I don't know why the three other teams left....I am sure that was Ellet's fault too!
brownandorange
05-30-08, 11:33 PM
He hasnt been on here as Green Pride, Dosnt everyone think there should be a rule, only one screen name per person
To insinuate Ellet cheated and Tallmadge is a problem is amazing coming from this organization. Everyone ever involved with the sfl knows Green has manipulated every rule possible to win, with the mentality that if you don't like it then get out. Well, that's exactly what is happening. I don't personally know the Kappers but from reading these posts I see a spoiled brat mentality and I've got a hundred bucks that says GP is not done posting on here as claimed.
SPARTICUS8
05-30-08, 11:47 PM
was that yeah the people int he know knew. But take in account as a whole organization did not.
Can I get a TRANSLATOR ?
:shrug:
thepolster
05-31-08, 05:46 AM
To insinuate Ellet cheated and Tallmadge is a problem is amazing coming from this organization. Everyone ever involved with the sfl knows Green has manipulated every rule possible to win, with the mentality that if you don't like it then get out. Well, that's exactly what is happening. I don't personally know the Kappers but from reading these posts I see a spoiled brat mentality and I've got a hundred bucks that says GP is not done posting on here as claimed. I bet I can bring him out. Lets say 5 bucks....
was that yeah the people int he know knew. But take in account as a whole organization did not.
what the h-ll did you just say?:shrug:
Ellet_32
06-01-08, 10:38 PM
From the way it sounds if it was Ellett kids just playing in Ellett last year there would not be this problem. Your message lacks a little trust there in my opionion.
You spell Ellet the same way my old friend (the raiders) did, are you the same guy? Hmmmmm! We have no problems now, just a bright future in our new league.
Ellet_32
06-01-08, 10:45 PM
Who do you think made up the gossip? Our VP is now the President of the league because much of the BS left when Tallmadge and Ellet left. I think it is funny that the most corrupt team being Ellet is over with the new league speaks volumes. The Tallmadge Director was the biggest whinner and His coach needed excuses because they could never beat Stow, Green or Cuy Falls we must be cheating. What will the excuse be in the new league cant wait to hear.
This from the Kingpin that's who's is truly wrong about pee-wee football. lol
headhunter34
06-02-08, 07:18 AM
SYF Board Members,
I would like to congratulate the directors of Cuyahoga Falls, Green,
Kent, Ravenna, Field and Stow on coming to an agreement on the proposals.
I am not going to state what is written in the SYF constitution
concerning what is needed for approval because it doesn’t matter. What
matters to me is the fact that this organization lacks integrity.
For almost two years I have sat back and observed the most
dysfunctional organization that I have ever witnessed. The funniest or should I say
the most hypocritical is the fact that everything is done under the
pretext that it is for the children. There is no integrity in this
organization, starting with the directors. The directors’ first order of
business should be to ensure the integrity of the organization that it
governs. The directors should represent their programs but most of all
they should be concerned with what is right for all.
I don’t question the qualities in each of you; I believe you are all
good people. The problem is that as administrators you can not trust
one another. The Suburban Youth Football League is in trouble because of
the lack of integrity. The past three years, there has been nothing but
turmoil; Rootstown, Stow and last year Ellet. Last fall I sat and
watched a director ask for permission to start his pre-season conditioning
early because of a facilities issue, it turned out in receiving
permission that a player then qualified for SYF. Where was the integrity there
but the most shameful act was when the commissioner made the statement
that the directors allowed the one program to pull one over on them.
I have spent thirty-two years in intercollegiate athletics as a
student-athlete, coach and administrator; the NCAA is based on integrity. In
the NCAA membership every so often members step out of line but there
have been very few infractions that were ever committed by the athletic
director at an institution. The main functional of an athletic director
is to uphold the integrity of the NCAA and their respected institution.
Maybe I am naïve but when I was asked to be a part of this
organization, I thought I could bring my experiences to the table for the
betterment of this organization. I wanted to serve the children of all the
organizations because I have very little experience with anyone
organization but an enormous amount of athletic administration experience.
My own integrity will not permit me to continue on. I will not allow
myself to be a part of an organization that lacks not only direction but
most of all integrity. I keep on hearing about the constitution; the
constitution is only as good as the people upholding it. There’s a
common theme to this entire resignation, which is integrity. You all need
to understand that without integrity, you have no organization and your
constitution has no meaning.
I have stated my reasoning for my resignation, and let me say that this
resignation is effective March 19, 2008. I do not wish to be contacted
by anyone associated with this organization, please respect my wishes.
***************
Also who is this?
GRPride86
06-02-08, 07:47 AM
^^^
I know!!
1badspartan
06-02-08, 07:50 AM
^^^
I know!!
Can we get a hint?
GRPride86
06-02-08, 08:11 AM
The Kent State Athletic Director
headhunter34
06-02-08, 08:15 AM
Fact? If this is true, I will have it addressed at the next meeting.
GRPride86
06-02-08, 08:26 AM
SYF Board Members,
I have spent thirty-two years in intercollegiate athletics as a
student-athlete, coach and administrator; the NCAA is based on integrity. In
the NCAA membership every so often members step out of line but there
have been very few infractions that were ever committed by the athletic
director at an institution. The main functional of an athletic director
is to uphold the integrity of the NCAA and their respected institution.
Maybe I am naïve but when I was asked to be a part of this
organization, I thought I could bring my experiences to the table for the
betterment of this organization. I wanted to serve the children of all the
organizations because I have very little experience with anyone
organization but an enormous amount of athletic administration experience.
I far as I know, but maybe I'm wrong
Irish87
06-02-08, 08:47 AM
Headhunter,
this happend a few months ago, and since, has joined back with the Organization.
SSpartans
06-02-08, 08:54 AM
I think they gave him the fancy title of president, so he would stay syf
I think they gave him the fancy title of president, so he would stay syf
So what's wrong with building a better organization?
SYF Board Members,
I would like to congratulate the directors of Cuyahoga Falls, Green,
Kent, Ravenna, Field and Stow on coming to an agreement on the proposals.
I am not going to state what is written in the SYF constitution
concerning what is needed for approval because it doesn’t matter. What
matters to me is the fact that this organization lacks integrity.
For almost two years I have sat back and observed the most
dysfunctional organization that I have ever witnessed. The funniest or should I say
the most hypocritical is the fact that everything is done under the
pretext that it is for the children. There is no integrity in this
organization, starting with the directors. The directors’ first order of
business should be to ensure the integrity of the organization that it
governs. The directors should represent their programs but most of all
they should be concerned with what is right for all.
I don’t question the qualities in each of you; I believe you are all
good people. The problem is that as administrators you can not trust
one another. The Suburban Youth Football League is in trouble because of
the lack of integrity. The past three years, there has been nothing but
turmoil; Rootstown, Stow and last year Ellet. Last fall I sat and
watched a director ask for permission to start his pre-season conditioning
early because of a facilities issue, it turned out in receiving
permission that a player then qualified for SYF. Where was the integrity there
but the most shameful act was when the commissioner made the statement
that the directors allowed the one program to pull one over on them.
I have spent thirty-two years in intercollegiate athletics as a
student-athlete, coach and administrator; the NCAA is based on integrity. In
the NCAA membership every so often members step out of line but there
have been very few infractions that were ever committed by the athletic
director at an institution. The main functional of an athletic director
is to uphold the integrity of the NCAA and their respected institution.
Maybe I am naïve but when I was asked to be a part of this
organization, I thought I could bring my experiences to the table for the
betterment of this organization. I wanted to serve the children of all the
organizations because I have very little experience with anyone
organization but an enormous amount of athletic administration experience.
My own integrity will not permit me to continue on. I will not allow
myself to be a part of an organization that lacks not only direction but
most of all integrity. I keep on hearing about the constitution; the
constitution is only as good as the people upholding it. There’s a
common theme to this entire resignation, which is integrity. You all need
to understand that without integrity, you have no organization and your
constitution has no meaning.
I have stated my reasoning for my resignation, and let me say that this
resignation is effective March 19, 2008. I do not wish to be contacted
by anyone associated with this organization, please respect my wishes.
***************
Also who is this?
I want to know also. This cant be true. SYF is a very respectable organization.
Irish87
06-02-08, 01:41 PM
I want to know also. This cant be true. SYF is a very respectable organization.
GR1FAN,
not sure if your post was sarcasm or not, but in fact the Resignation Letter is/was true.
But, as I stated earlier, a month or so later, he re-joined the Organization and I believe was voted in as President of SYF.
GRPride86
06-02-08, 01:52 PM
Did anyone read the letter in response to this resignation letter?
thepolster
06-02-08, 02:06 PM
Did anyone read the letter in response to this resignation letter?
Here you go with that mind reading stuff again 86.
GRPride86
06-02-08, 02:08 PM
Naaah,
I believe it's called a "Mind Meld"
http://www.foldedspace.org/images/spock.jpg
SSpartans
06-02-08, 02:58 PM
So what's wrong with building a better organization?
If he didnt agree to come back it could of finished off syf
GRPride86
06-02-08, 03:04 PM
I wonder what kind of concessions were made to make him come back. That letter pretty much says it all.
thepolster
06-02-08, 03:27 PM
blackmail
Panther123
06-02-08, 06:05 PM
You spell Ellet the same way my old friend (the raiders) did, are you the same guy? Hmmmmm! We have no problems now, just a bright future in our new league.
I really think this is a mood point about spelling of a city's name. I stand corrected on my spelling, thank you. Nothing gets solved out of all of these post, just more poop talk and name calling. What I have witnessed on here is about 8 guys do all the talking on here for hundreds of others. When you read the post on here you would actually think this is a high school forumn. This is why youth sports are in a downward mess, selfish look at me parents. You have no problems now. This is good, Pm in a year and we will meet for lunch and see if you sing the same tune. I been around for a few years, just as a marriage the honeymoon don't last forever. For your sake i hope it all goes safe and sound. Good Luck
I really think this is a mood point about spelling of a city's name. I stand corrected on my spelling, thank you. Nothing gets solved out of all of these post, just more poop talk and name calling. What I have witnessed on here is about 8 guys do all the talking on here for hundreds of others. When you read the post on here you would actually think this is a high school forumn. This is why youth sports are in a downward mess, selfish look at me parents. You have no problems now. This is good, Pm in a year and we will meet for lunch and see if you sing the same tune. I been around for a few years, just as a marriage the honeymoon don't last forever. For your sake i hope it all goes safe and sound. Good Luck
How long did it take for you to write this, 30 minutes, it looks like you really took your time. And even the spelling is good
Panther123
06-02-08, 10:36 PM
Why does everyone on here like to make personal attacks. Are we not adults? Spelling is a bigger isuue then resolving issues on here. If you have a diffence of opionion on here a group of 8 or so people do there best to insult and squelch anyones thoughts. I signed up two months ago sat back and watched these issues being discussed. Made a point and since I'm the new guy and have a dif of opionion, you turn your rhetoric towards me. Look pals you want to encourage a community tearing itself up go ahead. I am clearly stating my thoughts on the other side of the coin. Sorry I don't agree with this and truly have had enough of this childrens games. You may need turmoil, bickering in your daily regime, not I. You are the guys that run this new league? As far as I am concerned your problems have none gone away. They will proably restart only with different names.
thepolster
06-03-08, 07:31 AM
The only person hiding behind a screen name is you. Did Vaughn make it to your assembly jipsy. My son said the begging part of H.P. was the best part. hahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah! Maybe he can give out more air brushing.hahahahahahaha
local viewer
06-03-08, 07:52 AM
Panther 123,
You say that there are many problems with this new league. This maybe true, often trying something new brings new problems and along with that it also brings new solutions. There are differing ideas about what is best for some as compared to others and there have always been "politics" involved in every organization that has existed.
Tallmadge has voted to join this new league knowing that there maybe kinks that need to work themselves out. Sam was very honest with the booster club and we had almost an hour discusssion before voting. Many of our problems were solved with the vote to go BYF. I'll list them for you below.
1. The bigger kids in our community can now play football with their friends. Now, most of our kids are of average size, this just allows for those that (mostly through genetics) grow bigger to be included. It is not expected that we will be adding 20 or even 10+ kids per division, but the handfull that we do have will not be left out.
2. In conjunction with point one, point 2 also involves the weight issue. By joining BYF our children that were borderline on weight under SYF now will no longer have to starve to make weight before the season or before game day. These are growing boys that should not I REPEAT NOT be skipping meals just to be able to play on gameday. We all know that this happens especially at the Varsity division where this boys seem to grow overnight. It has been witnessed by many involved with youth football how these kids struggle to keep the weight off during the season and then by the time of Allstars have put on 10-15 pounds of natural weight. Imagine how well all the teams might have played with out hungery kids on the line.
3. Our kids will actually be playing against kids their age. Now this seems to be an area of controversy among some. 2nd graders playing against 4th graders -Oh My. But in my experience and as most of you that have been around youth football for awhile know, this has already been going on. Under the old system in SYF there was C team, B team, A team, JV, and Varsity. C team in theory should be 2nd and 3rd grade typically 7/8 yrs old. But whether it was parents who thought their kid was not ready for B team, or a tiny 9 yr old, or a late birthday, or overflow of kids, there were 9 yr olds that played on C team. Also, (and this is not to offend or knock Ellet at all just merely an example of the differences in programs) while Tallmadge mixed their 7/8 yrs and 1st and 2nd yr players, it is my understanding that Ellet had an all 7 yr team and all 8yr old team. They same age mixing went on at all levels whether for the reasons mentioned above or just because a team (oh really)needed a couple studs. As for Varsity, naturally as a smaller community with a middle school team Tallmadge had our bigger 6th graders, smaller to average 7th graders, and a handfull of 8th graders playing teams made up of mostly 8th graders. Now 7th graders vs 7th graders, 5/6th vs 5/6th, 2/3/4th vs 2/3/4th in principle seems more fair. As for those worried about the 2nd-4th mix there have been assurances for accomodatons.
Now, it really is too bad that all this drama is going on in Springfield. From my vantage point it appears that there will be 2 leagues to chose from regardless. So it will be up to the parent and the child to chose what is best for them.
Irish87
06-03-08, 07:56 AM
:clap:
Excellent post Local.
GRPride86
06-03-08, 08:02 AM
I concur, excellent post
thepolster
06-03-08, 08:50 AM
local viewer, I do agree that is a excellent post but I differ on the two league theory. Its a myth that these guys are spilling out. They dont have the fields or the resorces to field a team. Most of the sign ups they have were stolen from Mr Ellis and the false pretenses they are feeding the people who are signing up. As soon as the people are truly informed there will be rumors. We have fact, the byf is playing and practicing at schrop middle school and have a certified contract . The springfield spartan football club is a proud sponser of the BYF, JR HIGH and the HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL programs. The backing of the BYF program and Jr High will be the main focus of the www.springfieldspartantouchdownclub.com . We are still under construction and tweeking the needs of the programs.
thepolster
06-03-08, 10:06 AM
"When a team of dedicated individuals makes a
commitment to act as one... the sky is the limit."
The only person hiding behind a screen name is you. Did Vaughn make it to your assembly jipsy. My son said the begging part of H.P. was the best part. hahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah! Maybe he can give out more air brushing.hahahahahahaha
He did beg, He begged the kids that no matter what league there parents and them go to that the important thing was they get out and play.
Thats right he said either league !
He told the kids it was important for them to at least give football a try. And he reiterated that there are two Groups and that SSYF was still here for them if the JR.High could not field a team.
This was of course pointed out because only 8 kids came to the JR football assembly.
Thank You for pointing out that he begged the kids to play ball.
thepolster
06-03-08, 11:32 AM
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c5/laura6cano/2217833874_3a6bfe6659.jpgGot a little info for ya jipsy, I hope you are spending the youths money wisely because I hate to see ya have to refund money you do not have. You are sitting on a few 7th graders apts that I hope you are not counting on being involved in your wreck league jipsy. Who do you really think the kids are going to play for? Big Doug , Skeggs or your group which you still havnt produced. You still havnt produced a playing field, just a pickle rd comment. You guys are still betting on stealing the equipment from Ed. Joke is on you jipsy.
GRPride86
06-03-08, 11:50 AM
So you're saying that there are only 8 8th graders that have signed up so far? That seems a little unrealistic. How many of the kids on Varsity last year were 7th graders?
What seems unrealistic is that anyone believes what Springfield BYF Director tells them. Notorious for false promises - if you ask his board offline you will get the same response. I hear they hope to remove him.
thepolster
06-03-08, 12:16 PM
What seems unrealistic is that anyone believes what Springfield BYF Director tells them. Notorious for false promises - if you ask his board offline you will get the same response. I hear they hope to remove him.http://www.google.com/ig/directory?synd=toolbar&num=24&url=http://www.sendsome.org/spellboy/modules/google_gadget/index.xml&output=html easy download, use it please
thepolster
06-03-08, 12:48 PM
What seems unrealistic is that anyone believes what Springfield BYF Director tells them. Notorious for false promises - if you ask his board offline you will get the same response. I hear they hope to remove him. Where is your board. Oh yea you dont exist. Only on paper
GRPride86
06-03-08, 12:56 PM
So you're saying that there are only 8 8th graders that have signed up so far? That seems a little unrealistic. How many of the kids on Varsity last year were 7th graders?
Irish maybe you can answer my question, I know that you know more than the average joe on here.
Irish87
06-03-08, 01:11 PM
Irish maybe you can answer my question, I know that you know more than the average joe on here.
GRPride,
the day they had a Football Assembly at the Junior High 2 weeks ago, I was told they had 9 kids sign up in the gymnasium to play. That was simply a sign up sheet they had available that day at the school, for the kids to sign up. They may have gotten more since and it is only June. I was also told that SSYF was doing a lot of recruiting at the Junior High, telling all the 7th graders to play Youth this year not JH. Exactly what we were trying to do away with in this Town, competing for kids between Youth and JH. This was one of many reasons that factored into making the switch as well, so we didn't compete with JH. I honestly could not tell you how many 7th graders were on the Varsity Team last year. I'll have to go back and look. I think we may have had more 8th graders than 7th.
Irish87
06-03-08, 01:22 PM
Just went back and added them all up.
Last years Varsity-
7 - 7th graders (inc 1 girl)
2 - 6th graders
10 - 8th graders (inc 1 girl)
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