State Results

[HighSchoolSwimmer]

Prelims
Friday, February 22, 2008
http://www.swimmeet.com/meets/ohio08/
so far they have the 50 free, 200 free, fly, IM, medley relay, and diving

[echo13]

St.X looks pretty good so far. Looks like St. Charles will be stacking the 200 free relay?

And the 4 free

[Fly4Fun]

Those are just prelim times just in case anyone is confused.

Finals times should start coming in soon.

[echo13]

St.X wins the 200 Medley! 1:33.73

steven springer split a 19.87. I heard he was about half a second down when he dove in.

[echo13]

that's absolutely sick! I hope that's a sign of what'll come later inthe 50

hopefully. and the 200 free relay.

[Fly4Fun]

steven springer split a 19.87. I heard he was about half a second down when he dove in.



Well he certainly did his part in that relay then... wow!

[echo13]

Well he certainly did his part in that relay then... wow!

Barbiere was a 23.8, schwartz was a 27.5, smit was a 22.5 and springer was 19.8

[bomb1]

Wow! Was this the expected line up for the St. Charles medley?

[ImPartial]

Springer's leg in the medley was the most incredible thing. StC had steadily built a lead during the fly and it looked like they were a half second ahead heading into the wall. Somehow, Springer hit the water first and came up ahead. So within 5 yards he had caught up and passed StC. His turn at the wall separated him by about two feet and it was over from there in.

If the score on deck was correct, StX is ahead by about 5 points at the end of day 1.

[XdesIDtrans]

Springer's leg in the medley was the most incredible thing. StC had steadily built a lead during the fly and it looked like they were a half second ahead heading into the wall. Somehow, Springer hit the water first and came up ahead. So within 5 yards he had caught up and passed StC. His turn at the wall separated him by about two feet and it was over from there in.

If the score on deck was correct, StX is ahead by about 5 points at the end of day 1.

Add 1 for Mason Meier the diver... ahead by 6. St. Charles is closing the gap that was 8 at Districts (though I've heard it might have been 10 at Districts so maybe my info is wrong)... But tomorrow is going to have to be bigger for St. Charles if they are going to wipe away a 23 point projected deficit. My bet is they will close the deficit by quite a bit, that 23 pts is very deceiving as St. Charles in my mind may have a better chance than Upper Arlington did in 05 if a few more things fall their way. They have had some incredible drops across the board, but my biggest reason for thinking so is all the room for improvement they have in the 400FR... THAT will be the biggest factor tomorrow, and they won't be 8th as their seed suggests.

If I'm bored enough when all is said and done, I want to figure out how X2007 would have fared this year... the competition this year is intense and it seems to me X stepped it up just in the knick of time.

[bomb1]

Scary prelim results from a St. X perspective. No one advances in the breast. St. Charles has three I think. No one from St. Charles in the 500. From St. X, Columbus in finals and Lawley in consols. Yikes. This is going to come down to the wire. In the 100, there is a swim off for 16th place with a St. Charles guy.

[WestSideBomber]

Help me out as I'm new to swimming. Are St. X stronger events on day 2 or day 1? Were they expected to have a lead after day 1? Should the Bombers be able to pull away or will it come down to the wire?

[XdesIDtrans]

As of prelims X trails by 8.

The biggest reason? Like I said earlier, St. Charles won't be 8th in the 400, and they aren't. They are 1st, as is their 200 free relay. Both ahead of X in 2nd in both.

Here is the kicker though... St. Charles also was ahead in the Medley Relay at prelims but X pulled ahead in finals. Also, X did not stack their relays for prelims (one swimmer for each will change) and will be faster than prelims in both relays in the finals.

This competition is great! Way to bring it St. Charles... of course it would be even better for me if X pulled off a win in spite of the great competition. REALLY wish I was there.

[bomb1]

Heard from my friends at the meet that the St. X stands are full and rocking!
Bring it home X!

[mannhoodd]

historically, the second day is x's strongest. remember in 05 when they over came a 40 point lead by upper arlington after friday to win? I hope they hang on to make it 10 in a row.

[Fly4Fun]

How about that 200 Free Relay.

St. Charles 1:23.25 over St. Xavier 1:23.50...

That 400 Free Relay will be HUGE.

[XdesIDtrans]

How about that 200 Free Relay.

St. Charles 1:23.25 over St. Xavier 1:23.50...

That 400 Free Relay will be HUGE.

Yeah, that X relay set a school record... that's one ---- of a St. Charles relay!

[XdesIDtrans]

X needs St. Charles to place like they did in districts in the individual events, they need to win the 400, and they need Smit to place 9th to win... That's a lot of needs... If St. Charles drops more than one place in the relay, that would be huge for X, but they won't.

[Fly4Fun]

What's amazing is 4 years ago the St. Charles records in relays were something like 1:36 for the 200 MR, 1:29 200FR, and 3:12 for the 400 FR.

Kyle Goodrich has done an amazing job in bring the team so far so fast.

[XdesIDtrans]

For X to tie (after a strong Back event for X) they need St. Charles to drop 3 pts in the breast stroke (which would mirror their districts performance), and they need to win the 400FR...just to tie...

[XdesIDtrans]

actually no... to win - they can't tie, St. Charles would then be a half point behind.

[Fly4Fun]

Anyone know team score going into the 400?

[HighSchoolSwimmer]

Does anyone have the splits for the 200 free or know when swimmeet.com will have the splits?

And if anyone could tell me how many points each place gets I'll try to add the scores up

[Waterboy1992]

Its over...x blew it...disgraceful....

[XdesIDtrans]

Wow, congrats to St. Charles!

Next year X, and I'd be surprised if anybody can do what St. Charles did this year... that was a dream team. I'm glad to see that X's streak was broken because another team had an incredible team and not because of any decline of X's swim program... X's team this year was great and a state team, but St. Charles was just incredible and edged them out...

As an X fan I'm also happy to see that it went to a team that is so close to St. X (dual meets where they spend the night with the other team families).

[HighSchoolSwimmer]

congrats St. Charles

[vicesquad]

Does anyone have the splits for the 200 free or know when swimmeet.com will have the splits?

And if anyone could tell me how many points each place gets I'll try to add the scores up
The 120 to 114 score is through event 18.

[ImPartial]

State meet is over, results are in, replays are available at www.floswimming.org. Some people stepped up, some stepped down. Here is some data from the meet.

Call them gold/silver/bronze medal winners or call them top-3 finishers. Here are the swimmers that achieved two top-3 individual finishes:

Eric Huffman, 1st 50 free, 1st 100 free
Jake Epperson, 1st 200 IM, 1st breaststroke

Kyle McNeilis, 1st 200 free, 2nd 500 free
Brent Hitchcock, 1st 500 free, 2nd 200 free
Tim Collins, 1st butterfly, 3rd 100 back (tie)

Scott Martin, 2nd 100 free, 2nd butterfly
Lincoln Fahrbach, 2nd 50 free, 3rd 100 free
Tommy Inwood, 2nd 200 IM, 3rd 500 free
Marshall Sherman 3rd 50 free, 3rd 100 back (tie)


Looking at the medal race like they do with the Olympics, here is how it looked by region

Gold+silver+bronze

Central: 4+3+4 =11 (Huffman, McNeilis, Collins, Martin, Sherman, Schaffer)
Southwest: 2+2+3 =7 (Hitchcock, Barbiere, Butler, Hewes, Howell, Lawley)
Northwest: 2+1+1 =4 (Epperson, Fahrbach)
Northeast: 0+2+1 =3 (Inwood, Evans)

If you want to add in the three relay events, StC and StX split up the gold and silver (2-1 and 1-2) while Oak Hills, UA and University each took one bronze apiece.

Stepped up:

Huffman: all year, it seems like Fahrbach has been the prohibitive favorite in both the 50 & 100 free. Looks like this water polo player strenghthened his legs a bunch while treading water during the fall.

Epperson: defeated three previous state champs, Howell in the IM and Butler/Hewes in the breaststroke.

McNeilis: how many picked him over Hitchcock in the 200 free?

St Charles team: projected points left them 27 points behind StX. Actual results put them 20 points ahead, for a swing of 47 points. For all those that said based on tradition, StX scores more than projected and StC scores less than projected and therefore StC doesn’t have a chance and based on tradition, StX scores bigger on the second day and based on tradition, etc…I guess that’s why they actually swim the events. StC seniors rule the weekend with a combined 108.5 points in individual events. StC butterfly swimmers place second, third and fourth for 48 points in one event.

Stepped down (OK,maybe not a step down, but at least they watched others step/swim past them):

Howell: highest finish is third in the IM after breaking the district record (also placed tenth in the 500)
Fahrbach: seemed like a lot of people expected two firsts and a state record from him.
Northeast district: best finish from the biggest district (4 automatic qualifiers) is second place and only three top-3 finishes.
StX butterfly: two entries that were faster all season than sophomore Schuttinger of StC. StC goes 2-3-4 in finals, StX 5-6.
Columbus: seventh at state in 500 free in 2006, fifth in 2007, seventh in 2008. This is an example of why you don’t assume someone will automatically move up because seniors graduated.
Moeller: projected 150 points, actual 80 points. 13th place qualifier in 100 free scratched from finals. 200 free relay qualified 9th in prelims and scratched finals. 400 relay, 3:11.73 prelim, 3:15.45 finals. A coach’s pre-trip speech usually includes the typical “you represent yourself, your family, your team and your school, so act appropriately” statement.

[crusader007]

dont even start talking about moeller until you actually know what was going on..

[HighSchoolSwimmer]

dont even start talking about moeller until you actually know what was going on..

Do you know what happened?

[ImPartial]

dont even start talking about moeller until you actually know what was going on..

I checked the numbers on swimmeet.com again and I believe it all matches with the Moeller data in my post. Are you suggesting Moeller results were messed up by meet management? If you see something in error, please enlighten us.

[echo13]

I checked the numbers on swimmeet.com again and I believe it all matches with the Moeller data in my post. Are you suggesting Moeller results were messed up by meet management? If you see something in error, please enlighten us.

I think he was referring to the last line of your post, about the reason as to why they scratched events on saturday.

[crusader007]

Yea, I'm talking about the last line

[White_Men_Cant_Jump7]

State meet is over, results are in, replays are available at www.floswimming.org. Some people stepped up, some stepped down. Here is some data from the meet.

Call them gold/silver/bronze medal winners or call them top-3 finishers. Here are the swimmers that achieved two top-3 individual finishes:

Eric Huffman, 1st 50 free, 1st 100 free
Jake Epperson, 1st 200 IM, 1st breaststroke

Kyle McNeilis, 1st 200 free, 2nd 500 free
Brent Hitchcock, 1st 500 free, 2nd 200 free
Tim Collins, 1st butterfly, 3rd 100 back (tie)

Scott Martin, 2nd 100 free, 2nd butterfly
Lincoln Fahrbach, 2nd 50 free, 3rd 100 free
Tommy Inwood, 2nd 200 IM, 3rd 500 free
Marshall Sherman 3rd 50 free, 3rd 100 back (tie)


Looking at the medal race like they do with the Olympics, here is how it looked by region

Gold+silver+bronze

Central: 4+3+4 =11 (Huffman, McNeilis, Collins, Martin, Sherman, Schaffer)
Southwest: 2+2+3 =7 (Hitchcock, Barbiere, Butler, Hewes, Howell, Lawley)
Northwest: 2+1+1 =4 (Epperson, Fahrbach)
Northeast: 0+2+1 =3 (Inwood, Evans)

If you want to add in the three relay events, StC and StX split up the gold and silver (2-1 and 1-2) while Oak Hills, UA and University each took one bronze apiece.

Stepped up:

Huffman: all year, it seems like Fahrbach has been the prohibitive favorite in both the 50 & 100 free. Looks like this water polo player strenghthened his legs a bunch while treading water during the fall.

Epperson: defeated three previous state champs, Howell in the IM and Butler/Hewes in the breaststroke.

McNeilis: how many picked him over Hitchcock in the 200 free?

St Charles team: projected points left them 27 points behind StX. Actual results put them 20 points ahead, for a swing of 47 points. For all those that said based on tradition, StX scores more than projected and StC scores less than projected and therefore StC doesn’t have a chance and based on tradition, StX scores bigger on the second day and based on tradition, etc…I guess that’s why they actually swim the events. StC seniors rule the weekend with a combined 108.5 points in individual events. StC butterfly swimmers place second, third and fourth for 48 points in one event.

Stepped down (OK,maybe not a step down, but at least they watched others step/swim past them):

Howell: highest finish is third in the IM after breaking the district record (also placed tenth in the 500)
Fahrbach: seemed like a lot of people expected two firsts and a state record from him.
Northeast district: best finish from the biggest district (4 automatic qualifiers) is second place and only three top-3 finishes.
StX butterfly: two entries that were faster all season than sophomore Schuttinger of StC. StC goes 2-3-4 in finals, StX 5-6.
Columbus: seventh at state in 500 free in 2006, fifth in 2007, seventh in 2008. This is an example of why you don’t assume someone will automatically move up because seniors graduated.
Moeller: projected 150 points, actual 80 points. 13th place qualifier in 100 free scratched from finals. 200 free relay qualified 9th in prelims and scratched finals. 400 relay, 3:11.73 prelim, 3:15.45 finals. A coach’s pre-trip speech usually includes the typical “you represent yourself, your family, your team and your school, so act appropriately” statement.

What do you mean by the last line??? "A coach’s pre-trip speech usually includes the typical “you represent yourself, your family, your team and your school, so act appropriately” statement."????

[Moellerswimmers]

Moeller: projected 150 points, actual 80 points. 13th place qualifier in 100 free scratched from finals. 200 free relay qualified 9th in prelims and scratched finals. 400 relay, 3:11.73 prelim, 3:15.45 finals. A coach’s pre-trip speech usually includes the typical “you represent yourself, your family, your team and your school, so act appropriately” statement.[/QUOTE]

You have no idea why they had to scratch those events. so dont try to say our coach schould have told us this or this. Unitill you no what happened there dont try to blame it on us that we had to scratch because one persons mistakes, if you were at the state meet then you would have found out what happened and you would say that we got screwed over bad

[Moellerswimmers]

Do you know what happened?

Yes he and i both no what happened its all messed up

[echo13]

Yes he and i both no what happened its all messed up

It's a very unfortunate situation for all those involved, but I don't think it's something that should be talked about on a public forum.

[ImPartial]

You have no idea why they had to scratch those events. so dont try to say our coach schould have told us this or this. Unitill you no what happened there dont try to blame it on us that we had to scratch because one persons mistakes, if you were at the state meet then you would have found out what happened and you would say that we got screwed over bad

Sports is not all about seconds, yards and scores. There are lessons about life also. For every field trip I can remember, whether for sports, school, church, club or whatever, the leader has made a speech regarding behavior and responsibility. The delivery and content vary, but the message is pretty much the same. Did Moeller leadership set expectations on behavior for the team? I was not at the Moeller team meeting, but I assume that Moeller is the type of organization that would have such expectations.

From what you say, it sounds like the team learned a "life lesson"...actions, consequences, etc.

[XdesIDtrans]

State meet is over, results are in, replays are available at www.floswimming.org. Some people stepped up, some stepped down. Here is some data from the meet.

Call them gold/silver/bronze medal winners or call them top-3 finishers. Here are the swimmers that achieved two top-3 individual finishes:

Eric Huffman, 1st 50 free, 1st 100 free
Jake Epperson, 1st 200 IM, 1st breaststroke

Kyle McNeilis, 1st 200 free, 2nd 500 free
Brent Hitchcock, 1st 500 free, 2nd 200 free
Tim Collins, 1st butterfly, 3rd 100 back (tie)

Scott Martin, 2nd 100 free, 2nd butterfly
Lincoln Fahrbach, 2nd 50 free, 3rd 100 free
Tommy Inwood, 2nd 200 IM, 3rd 500 free
Marshall Sherman 3rd 50 free, 3rd 100 back (tie)


Looking at the medal race like they do with the Olympics, here is how it looked by region

Gold+silver+bronze

Central: 4+3+4 =11 (Huffman, McNeilis, Collins, Martin, Sherman, Schaffer)
Southwest: 2+2+3 =7 (Hitchcock, Barbiere, Butler, Hewes, Howell, Lawley)
Northwest: 2+1+1 =4 (Epperson, Fahrbach)
Northeast: 0+2+1 =3 (Inwood, Evans)

If you want to add in the three relay events, StC and StX split up the gold and silver (2-1 and 1-2) while Oak Hills, UA and University each took one bronze apiece.

Stepped up:

Huffman: all year, it seems like Fahrbach has been the prohibitive favorite in both the 50 & 100 free. Looks like this water polo player strenghthened his legs a bunch while treading water during the fall.

Epperson: defeated three previous state champs, Howell in the IM and Butler/Hewes in the breaststroke.

McNeilis: how many picked him over Hitchcock in the 200 free?

St Charles team: projected points left them 27 points behind StX. Actual results put them 20 points ahead, for a swing of 47 points. For all those that said based on tradition, StX scores more than projected and StC scores less than projected and therefore StC doesn’t have a chance and based on tradition, StX scores bigger on the second day and based on tradition, etc…I guess that’s why they actually swim the events. StC seniors rule the weekend with a combined 108.5 points in individual events. StC butterfly swimmers place second, third and fourth for 48 points in one event.

Stepped down (OK,maybe not a step down, but at least they watched others step/swim past them):

Howell: highest finish is third in the IM after breaking the district record (also placed tenth in the 500)
Fahrbach: seemed like a lot of people expected two firsts and a state record from him.
Northeast district: best finish from the biggest district (4 automatic qualifiers) is second place and only three top-3 finishes.
StX butterfly: two entries that were faster all season than sophomore Schuttinger of StC. StC goes 2-3-4 in finals, StX 5-6.
Columbus: seventh at state in 500 free in 2006, fifth in 2007, seventh in 2008. This is an example of why you don’t assume someone will automatically move up because seniors graduated.
Moeller: projected 150 points, actual 80 points. 13th place qualifier in 100 free scratched from finals. 200 free relay qualified 9th in prelims and scratched finals. 400 relay, 3:11.73 prelim, 3:15.45 finals. A coach’s pre-trip speech usually includes the typical “you represent yourself, your family, your team and your school, so act appropriately” statement.

Mostly good observations...
X moved up btw quite a bit like they normally do... the biggest difference is that St. Charles hadn't stacked their relays at Districts, hence the prediction differences... so tradition continues if you ask me. St. Charles did a great job stepping up to, but of course I was never one to say they didn't have tradition they were 2nd for two years before this...

Also - one might have assumed that Columbus would improve because others graduated if he wasn't having health issues (same story with Wagner in 2005)... but you're right, can't count on it...

You're top three finishes list is telling... one of the biggest reasons X is able to sustain long streaks of state wins is because they usually have 1 or 2 swimmer on that list (or at least top 5) whether it be Carothers, French, Mosko, or Ginoccio. I think Lawley and Columbus both have a shot at 2 event top 5 or 3 finishes...one reason I'm optimistic about next year (especially if Columbus is hampered by health issues, but don't ask me the details on that)...

Anybody notice how much Lawley dropped in the 200 (500 too)? I'd say Schuttinger's performance was matched there... both will be key next year...

[crusader007]

Alright, pretty much everyone knows the reason for moeller's mess that was saturday night at the state meet. Let's drop this conversation knowing that appropriate action was taken by school officials and that people on Moeller's swim team were severly punished (some unfairly becuase of the "knowing but not telling on your friend for doing it" clause). It was an unfortunate incident that left us embarrased at the end of the year and I hope that we can stop talking about this and look forward to the success and future of Moeller Swimming.

Thanks

[stxbomber999]

Impartial, you cannot even to begin to justify or make it seem reasonable the Matt Columbus "stepped down" as you call it. He dropped 3 seconds in his 500 and 200. Also going into the meet he was supposed to get 10 and 15 but ended with 7 and 7, thats stepping up. Also saying that he went from 5 last year to 7 this year only means the whole state got faster not that he went slower.

[ImPartial]

Impartial, you cannot even to begin to justify or make it seem reasonable the Matt Columbus "stepped down" as you call it. He dropped 3 seconds in his 500 and 200. Also going into the meet he was supposed to get 10 and 15 but ended with 7 and 7, thats stepping up. Also saying that he went from 5 last year to 7 this year only means the whole state got faster not that he went slower.

Your comments are consistent with what I wrote. The primary focus of my post was on placement of the top spots, not times. I did not say anyone was a bad or slow swimmer. All of these guys were on the podium, so tops in the state. In the year-to-year comparison, it would seem you agree that you get less points for 7th place compared to 5th place. Also, when standing on the podium in the 5th place spot, you literally have to "step down" to reach the 7th place spot.

Saying that the "whole state got faster" is a bit of an overstatement. Certainly, most athletes hope/plan to get better from year to year, but not everyone does. For those that reach the state meet, their placement at finals reflects just how much they have improved relative to their competition from the previous year, at this meet. And, the state meet rewards points for order of finish, not on how a time compares to some previous time. What I wrote in parenthesis ("OK,maybe not a step down, but at least they watched others step/swim past them") is in general agreement with your "got faster" statement. McNeilis dropped almost 14 seconds and jumped from 17th last year to 2nd this year. Inwood dropped ~11 seconds from 2006, Montague ~7 sec. and 8 places, and Kelch ~11 sec. and went from 20th to 6th place. An even more impressive time drop was by John Vigar who went from 5:05.17 last year at districts to 4:33.54 at finals this year, the fifth fastest time overall at finals.