Southwest District meet

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The psych sheets have been posted on swimmeet.com for all the sectionals. I pulled out the top two seed times across the sectionals in anticipation of the district meet. Of course, the real district seedings will come out of the sectionals this weekend, but here is what the psych sheets show:

50 free
21.61 springer stx
21.69 gallagher stx

100 free
47.83 krone moeller
48.12 chambers centerville

200 free
1:43.38 chambers centerville
1:44.12 langford mason

500 free
4:32.31 hitchcock springfield
4:33.66 buchanan beavercreek

backstroke
52.00 barbiere stx
53.33 mchugh springfield

breaststroke
57.75 butler turpin
58.06 hewes mason

butterfly
51.61 smit stx
51.74 hart lakota west

IM
1:52.92 howell moeller
1:54.69 buchanan beavercreek

Only Chambers and Buchanan show up twice. The odds look slim for a double champion at the district meet. Maybe the best chance is on the girls side in Danielle Jansen.

The Mason sectional should be interesting since the 2-5 ranked teams in the city will all be there (Moeller, Mason, Turpin, Sycamore). That should make for some interesting relay finishes with teams being pushed.

At the state level, Fahrbach should be the favorite in the 50 and 100 free. The Northeast psychs aren't up yet, but Inwood could have a chance at a double in the 200 free and 100 fly.

Correction: The NE psychs are posted. Inwood, with the top time in the state in the 200 free and second best time in the fly, chose to swim the 200 IM and the 500 free.

[buckeyeswimmer08]

1. St. X is very very vulnerable this year, let alone weak. For being able to recruit, they should be better. In comparison to years past, this year's X squad is mediocre. They do have some great studs, Barbiere, besides Inwood is the most versatile swimmer in the state, Springer in the 50 (whose 100 should be faster), Ransenberg is beastly, Smit is quick, Columbus and Lawley are also strong. But this year it is going to be about the St. Charles Cardinals ending up with the state title. It will be up to Erik Mai, Marshall Sherman, and Scott Martin. Even though, they are a private school, I would love to see someone end X's contention for winning state this entire century.

2. Tommy Inwood is ridiculous and I'm excited to see the Brian Howell-Tommy Inwood race at states. The crowd is going to be loud as ever. Inwood is in the top 20 on swimmeet.com in nearly every event and is normally in the top 10 in most of the events. The kid is straight quick. He is insane. I am also looking forward to the Brent Hitchcock-Tommy Inwood race in the 500. However, I think that Hitchcock has the capability of breaking Mosko's state record swim last year, which would be amazing.

4. Predicitons for State Champs
200 free
Hitchcock or Farbach, probably Fahrbach

200 IM
Howell or Inwood or Epperson

50 free
Huffman or Springer, probably Huffman

100 fly
Tim Collins hands down

100 free
Farbach... duh

500
Hitchcock

100 back
Barbiere or Collins, too close to call

100 breast
Epperson or Butler, great race





I end it on this note, private schools should have their own league, the rules just don't make sense. Public schools use the kids from their town and have kids that are home grown. The day a public school wins state again may not ever happen for a long time however, when it happens it will be a glorious day for public schools all over. I honestly don't even care about move-ins, at least we know that you live in that city and not in Kentucky... like this one school I know of....

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4. Predicitons for State Champs
200 free
Hitchcock or Farbach, probably Fahrbach

50 free
Huffman or Springer, probably Huffman

100 fly
Tim Collins hands down

100 back
Barbiere or Collins, too close to call

100 breast
Epperson or Butler, great race



Check the entry sheets. Fahrbach is entered in the 50 and 100, so he definitely will not win the 200. I think McNeilis has the top seed time for the 200 now. 50 free: Fahrbach or Turk. 100 breast: Hewes was state champ in 2006, but injured last year. It should be a great final this year.



I end it on this note, private schools should have their own league, the rules just don't make sense. Public schools use the kids from their town and have kids that are home grown. The day a public school wins state again may not ever happen for a long time however, when it happens it will be a glorious day for public schools all over. I honestly don't even care about move-ins, at least we know that you live in that city and not in Kentucky... like this one school I know of....

If StX wins this year by a few points, how big of an impact will move-in diver Mason Meier have? His 10+ points could make the difference.

"home grown" in high school swimming is an oxymoron. The majority of the top swimmers train year-round at a swim club and the high school coach only sees them 1/4 of the year or less. And while a lot of the StX swimmers train year-round for the Marlins in the StX pool, not all of them do. Barbiere trains at Countryside Y. And how many Marlins swim for Moeller, Mason, Sycamore, etc.? Of Mason's top swimmers, a couple train with the Marlins, a couple with the Manta Rays, etc. But they do all live in Mason. Alex Smit lives in Mason...think he could have made an impact for the Mason team?

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Anyone catch the Enquirer coverage of StX, err I mean Cincinnati, swimming this morning? They led with a photo of Barbiere who will lead X to victory. If they had looked at the heat sheets, they would have said Matt Columbus should be the top finisher at the meet. He has a much better chance of two wins than anyone else. I can't wait for tomorrows sports page where they blather on about how X thrashed the competition in this weak sectional. We shall see if they completely ignore the Mason sectional where Brian Howell, Nathan Butler, Danielle Jansen, Sarah Tanner and other CINCINNATI top swimmers will be competing.

[caswim]

Anyone catch the Enquirer coverage of StX, err I mean Cincinnati, swimming this morning? They led with a photo of Barbiere who will lead X to victory. If they had looked at the heat sheets, they would have said Matt Columbus should be the top finisher at the meet. He has a much better chance of two wins than anyone else. I can't wait for tomorrows sports page where they blather on about how X thrashed the competition in this weak sectional. We shall see if they completely ignore the Mason sectional where Brian Howell, Nathan Butler, Danielle Jansen, Sarah Tanner and other CINCINNATI top swimmers will be competing.

Don't be dumb..... http://news.communitypress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/C2/20080208/RSS01/302080003/

[ImPartial]

Don't be dumb..... http://news.communitypress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/C2/20080208/RSS01/302080003/

What's your point?

http://news.communitypress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080206/SPT/802060301/1075/RSS13

The community press, Warren county edition, is something very few people ever see. I live in Warren county and will probably never see those articles in print.

Is your point...there are swimmers in Cincinnati that don't wear blue?

[buckeyeswimmer08]

thanks for catching my error, my bad

[stxbomber999]

[QUOTE=buckeyeswimmer08;2940456]1. St. X is very very vulnerable this year, let alone weak. For being able to recruit, they should be better. In comparison to years past, this year's X squad is mediocre. They do have some great studs, Barbiere, besides Inwood is the most versatile swimmer in the state, Springer in the 50 (whose 100 should be faster), Ransenberg is beastly, Smit is quick, Columbus and Lawley are also strong. But this year it is going to be about the St. Charles Cardinals ending up with the state title. It will be up to Erik Mai, Marshall Sherman, and Scott Martin. Even though, they are a private school, I would love to see someone end X's contention for winning state this entire century.

You could not be more wrong about this years team. First off you just listed off 6 swimmers that each have a shot at placing top 8 in two events at state, yet you still think it is mediocre. Lets compare the Class of 08 to the o so great and almighty Class of 07. Mosko vs. Barbiere- Dave get 2 firsts Jimmy gets 1 and like a 3rd so dave wins by 4 points. Ginnochio vs. Smit- Bart got 2nd and 9th I think Alex gets 2nd and at least 8 Smit wins by 2 points. Deters, Rooney, and Hiller combined scored less than 20 points, Springer and Ransenberg get a minimum of 30 points between them. Plus since this season is not over there could be any other seniors who step up and score, plus all of our underclassmen. This years team is by no means mediocre. On a state level i say this year's team is stronger than last years, but what made 07 so good is the national calibur swimmer it had.

Oh and how san you say this year in all about St. Charles when you can't list half as many guys as you can for X?

[buckeyeswimmer08]

Cuz im from the SW District area stxbomber999 im more familiar with X... and by the end of the state meet, i think that you will be able to name a few more St. Charles swimmers as well. We allllll know that St. X is weak and vulnerable. Get off your all boy loving private school high chair and recruit some kids...

[stxbomber999]

It just shows how little you know about this team. Oh, well state is 2 weeks away we'll see how it turns out, and then you'll see how wrong you are.

[bomb1]

Don't be dumb..... http://news.communitypress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/C2/20080208/RSS01/302080003/

You are assuming that the writer at the Enquirer actually knows something about Cincinnati swimming. For as long as I can remember, they focus in on one HS swimming star each year and every article focuses on them. Sometimes they are St. X guys and sometimes not (Hank Browning, Whitney Myers). This year they mention Jimmy B. in every single article. It is not a bias towards St. X. It is a lack of knowledge about the sport of swimming. It is easier to write an article when you can focus in one person and not have to actually research the sport you are writing about. It is ignorance. Hats off to Brian Howell, Nathan Butler, Brent Hitchcock, Sarah Tanner, Danielle Jansen and all the other great Cincinnati swimmers that may have not gotten the props they deserve this season.

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Cuz im from the SW District area stxbomber999 im more familiar with X... and by the end of the state meet, i think that you will be able to name a few more St. Charles swimmers as well. We allllll know that St. X is weak and vulnerable. Get off your all boy loving private school high chair and recruit some kids...

So does St. Charles recruit, or is that an assumption you're reserving for St.X?

[ImPartial]

Mosko vs. Barbiere- Dave get 2 firsts Jimmy gets 1 and like a 3rd so dave wins by 4 points. Ginnochio vs. Smit- Bart got 2nd and 9th I think Alex gets 2nd and at least 8 Smit wins by 2 points.



Butterfly times from the sectionals:

51.02 Schaffer St Charles
51.07 Martin St Charles
51.09 Collins
51.68 Smit St Xavier
52.15 Hart
52.15 Kornick
52.27 Barbiere St Xavier
52.58 Schuttinger St Charles

[echo13]

Butterfly times from the sectionals:

51.02 Schaffer St Charles
51.07 Martin St Charles
51.09 Collins
51.68 Smit St Xavier
52.15 Hart
52.15 Kornick
52.27 Barbiere St Xavier
52.58 Schuttinger St Charles

Wanna bet things don't finish like that? Or do you think sectionals matter for any of those you listed above?

[bomb1]

Wanna bet things don't finish like that? Or do you think sectionals matter for any of those you listed above?

St. Charles has great butterfliers and will score big in that event. That being said, props to Alex Smit who did not make it to State his soph year ( was bumped by automatic qualifiers) and his senior year has a chance to win the 100 fly.

[dawgs1134]

That is still a long shot to out score st charles in 100 fly not to mention you guys are week in the 100 breast and 200 im not to mention all of you relays are seated lower then theirs. There is no shot neither of your Breaststroker's are even seated top 8 at districts and you 200 im is just as week at districts so unless you are hoping Alex Smit to win enough points for all the relays dont count on a win

[echo13]

That is still a long shot to out score st charles in 100 fly not to mention you guys are week in the 100 breast and 200 im not to mention all of you relays are seated lower then theirs. There is no shot neither of your Breaststroker's are even seated top 8 at districts and you 200 im is just as week at districts so unless you are hoping Alex Smit to win enough points for all the relays dont count on a win

First compare the 5 or 2 free if we're going to pick and chose events. Second District and sectional times don't mean much. Take Upper Arlington from a few years back. Supposed to beat X by 70 ish. Lost by 10. Wait until Districts are at least over to go out on a limb and predict a St. Charles upset.

[bomb1]

That is still a long shot to out score st charles in 100 fly not to mention you guys are week in the 100 breast and 200 im not to mention all of you relays are seated lower then theirs. There is no shot neither of your Breaststroker's are even seated top 8 at districts and you 200 im is just as week at districts so unless you are hoping Alex Smit to win enough points for all the relays dont count on a win

I think I actually said St Charles would score big in the butterfly. I don't think I ever said that St X would outscore St Charles in that event. They won't. So read the post before heaping on your St X hate. I was pointing out someone who has worked hard and has done a nice job. I am not counting on a win but no St X fan would EVER count them out. p.s "week" is a 7 day time frame on a calendar..."weak" is the opposite of strong.

[echo13]

How many divers does St. Charles have going to state? I know St.X got one in.

If I had to guess I'd say zero.

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The six state qualifiers from the central district:

1 Jimmy Beres Sr Columbus Whetstone 612.60
2 Cameron Horner Sr Upper Arlington 561.30
3 Christian Holstein So Upper Arlington 534.00
4 Gabe Dixson Jr New Albany 505.55
5 Austin Whalen Jr Gahanna Lincoln 349.75
6 Michael Arnold Jr Columbus Bishop Hartley 296.10

None from St Charles. Some huge scores among the top four, including a state record by Beres.

Here are the five qualifiers from the southwest:

1 Michael Grainger Jr Cincinnati Indian Hill 419.65
2 Stephen Sargent Jr Mason 383.35
3 Eric Kelly Sr Cincinnati Elder 382.25
4 Mason Meier Jr Cincinnati St. Xavier 368.25
5 Ben Hall Sr Cincinnati Indian Hill 359.45

[ImPartial]

Scanning the northeast and northwest sectional diving, it looks like it could take 450 to be in the top 10 at state, and over 400 to be top 16.

[ImPartial]

Actual results for the automatic qualifiers in two individual events:

Hitchcock (4-star recruit): 1st 500, 1st 200 free
Howell (4-star recruit): 1st 200IM, 2nd 500
Krone: 1st 100 free, 2nd 200 free
Smit: 1st 100 fly, 2nd 100 back

Does anyone here have access to the results from the other districts? Or do we just have to wait for the official results to show up on swimmeet.com to find out the at-large qualifiers?

[echo13]

Actual results for the automatic qualifiers in two individual events:

Hitchcock (4-star recruit): 1st 500, 1st 200 free
Howell (4-star recruit): 1st 200IM, 2nd 500
Krone: 1st 100 free, 2nd 200 free
Smit: 1st 100 fly, 2nd 100 back

Does anyone here have access to the results from the other districts? Or do we just have to wait for the official results to show up on swimmeet.com to find out the at-large qualifiers?

The Northeast isn't done yet, they still have past the 100 fly to go.

[ImPartial]

Northeast ended with the butterfly last night. Here are the 4 auto qualifiers on swimmeet for NE:

1 Alex Kornick Jr Cuyahoga Falls Walsh Jesuit :50.99
2 Kevin Meisner So Akron Firestone :51.28
3 Eric Davis Sr Canfield :51.50
4 Garrett Trebilcock So Canfield :51.52

It is tough to find other results though. St.Charles has their times posted on their website from yesterday. Here are some partial results from the NE in the Canton newspaper:

http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?Category=17&ID=399784&r=19&subCategoryID=29

50 free: 5, Ware (Wads) 21.86; 11, Orban (H) 22.19;
200 free: 8, Hawkins (H) 1:45.94
100 fly: 7, Wolf (CCC) 52.25;

[dawgs1134]

any notice fast the breast was this year it took under a minute just to get on the podium...the st x kids had some good swims...who the ---- is brian brasser. And state last it took a 1:01.17 to make state it is almost a full second faster this year

[aquabomber08]

St. X does not recruit. Get of your private school hating podium and get real please.

[aquabomber08]

Just because i team has a history of winning doesn't mean they recruit.

[buckeyeswimmer08]

aquabomber08... you are an r-tard, ur saying you don't recruit, hahahahahahhahahahaha... nice joke! You get EVERYONE from Cincinnati! That's not recruiting?

[bomb1]

aquabomber08... you are an r-tard, ur saying you don't recruit, hahahahahahhahahahaha... nice joke! You get EVERYONE from Cincinnati! That's not recruiting?

Get some class, Buckeyeswimmer08. Calling someone a "r-tard" is very offensive to alot of people. With each of your posts, you bolster the argument for the academics of a school like St.X.

[aquabomber08]

No offense brian i love you but here is a little story for you buckeye fan. Brian howell didn't not get into st. x Now if we were recruiting wouldn't you think we'd get the best im'er in the state? probably. Where's spencer hews, brad langford, albers, why didn't hitchcock move down here, krone....

[ImPartial]

didn't not get into st. x

Homer says, "Mmm, double negatives..."

During a chat with an official, he said that if only StX would lower their academic standards, they would have a few more state champions. He was talking about a specific recent champion that was a Marlin, but wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed (and wasn't one of the names mentioned in this thread).

So, you might say, StX is appealing to many of the fast Marlins, but not all the Marlins are appealing to StX.

[XdesIDtrans]

aquabomber08... you are an r-tard, ur saying you don't recruit, hahahahahahhahahahaha... nice joke! You get EVERYONE from Cincinnati! That's not recruiting?

Not very bright are ya kid. :shrug:

Anyone whos still pulling the recruiting card isn't worth anybody's time... it's not our job to teach this kid what recruiting is and isn't, if he's too lazy or stupid to figure it out for himself, let him whine alone...

Most of this kid's posts aren't worthy of a response. His callow blanket statements, banal accusations, and lack of research are contemptible.

[crusader007]

ive known howell for a long time..just to let u guys know he got a 92% on the entrance exam for X but wasnt let in because he had no legacy so its not like hes stupid or anything

[ImPartial]

Butterfly times from the sectionals:

51.02 Schaffer St Charles
51.07 Martin St Charles
51.09 Collins
51.68 Smit St Xavier
52.15 Hart
52.15 Kornick
52.27 Barbiere St Xavier
52.58 Schuttinger St Charles

Wanna bet things don't finish like that? Or do you think sectionals matter for any of those you listed above?

It would be near impossible to have exact times repeat at state. So I would have bet something would change at state. Schuttinger beating both Smit and Barbiere, now that was a surprise!

[ImPartial]

You could not be more wrong about this years team. First off you just listed off 6 swimmers that each have a shot at placing top 8 in two events at state, yet you still think it is mediocre. Lets compare the Class of 08 to the o so great and almighty Class of 07. Mosko vs. Barbiere- Dave get 2 firsts Jimmy gets 1 and like a 3rd so dave wins by 4 points. Ginnochio vs. Smit- Bart got 2nd and 9th I think Alex gets 2nd and at least 8 Smit wins by 2 points. Deters, Rooney, and Hiller combined scored less than 20 points, Springer and Ransenberg get a minimum of 30 points between them. Plus since this season is not over there could be any other seniors who step up and score, plus all of our underclassmen. This years team is by no means mediocre. On a state level i say this year's team is stronger than last years, but what made 07 so good is the national calibur swimmer it had.

Oh and how san you say this year in all about St. Charles when you can't list half as many guys as you can for X?

I'm not sure why you want to compare X 07 vs X 08. X was swimming against StC this year, not against X07. But here are the actuals:

Mosko-40 Barbiere-33
Ginnochio-26 Smit-23
Hiller/Janszen/Deters/Rooney-20 Springer/Ransenberg-28
other seniors (Gallagher)-6


StC seniors
Martin-34
Sherman-31.5
Schaffer-19
Clancey-14
O'Kelly-5
Jennings-5

totals: X07-86 X08-90 StC08-108.5