syfl should've tossed the weight limit

[greendad]

you know, several yrs ago, I remember thinking to myself "they should get rid of these weight limits" it was troubling, for myself and my kid, and i know damn well there are many others like myself. I thought; "somethings got to give, these baby weight limits are unfair" and i also thought how sad it was to see the line of boys waiting to get weighed. i saw a couple of biggish looking boys and wondered if they'd make the weight. well i know one didnt, not sure about the other. the one that didnt, the next time i saw him, he was without pads, watching, looking sort of, no, very bummed out.

again thinking to myself how rediculous this crap was.

i remember someone talking about how they were raising the weight limits. yeah, they did, about the weight of a coney dog. what joke i thought.

And then; BOOM! a football team with no weight limits. football then began to resemble football.

now, and only now, syfl says they are drasticly changing the weight limits.

:stirthepot: :wallbang: :rolleyes:

[Yappi]

Are you saying they should get rid of weight limits for all divisions or just the varsity?

Would you be happy with something like:

C - 95 pounds
B - 110
A - 125
JV - 140
Varsity - unlimited

This is something that I think causes confusion on here because some advocating unlimited weight are only talking about the upper ages while others are promoting it for all age groups. The reason that I ask is that there are a number of smaller kids not playing C-squad because of the 110 pound weight limit. These parents fear the 110 pound kids that just don't exist for the most part. I've been an advocate for lowering the weight limit for the younger ages to get rid of the "boogey man" for parents and raise the limit for older kids.

Just curious?

[thepolster]

Are you saying they should get rid of weight limits for all divisions or just the varsity?

Would you be happy with something like:

C - 95 pounds
B - 110
A - 125
JV - 140
Varsity - unlimited

This is something that I think causes confusion on here because some advocating unlimited weight are only talking about the upper ages while others are promoting it for all age groups. The reason that I ask is that there are a number of smaller kids not playing C-squad because of the 110 pound weight limit. These parents fear the 110 pound kids that just don't exist for the most part. I've been an advocate for lowering the weight limit for the younger ages to get rid of the "boogey man" for parents and raise the limit for older kids.

Just curious?

We don't need a weight limit period. Every kid should play if he or she wants to and not worry about going from having to move up with older kids cause your over the weight limit. Abolish weight limits and I could live with that.

[Smashmouth#1]

We don't need a weight limit period. Every kid should play if he or she wants to and not worry about going from having to move up with older kids cause your over the weight limit. Abolish weight limits and I could live with that.

So you are saying that if weight wasn't an issue that you would be back in favor of the SYFL?

[Smashmouth#1]

Are you saying they should get rid of weight limits for all divisions or just the varsity?

Would you be happy with something like:

C - 95 pounds
B - 110
A - 125
JV - 140
Varsity - unlimited

This is something that I think causes confusion on here because some advocating unlimited weight are only talking about the upper ages while others are promoting it for all age groups. The reason that I ask is that there are a number of smaller kids not playing C-squad because of the 110 pound weight limit. These parents fear the 110 pound kids that just don't exist for the most part. I've been an advocate for lowering the weight limit for the younger ages to get rid of the "boogey man" for parents and raise the limit for older kids.

Just curious?

Yappi, I definitely see your point. There are a lot of people that do, for lack of a better word, coddle their boys. We could encourage parents to come watch a practice at the beginning of the season before they sign-up to help disspell this train of thought.

[Irish87]

Weight limits are in place, because of safety reasons, and safety reasons only. This argument will continue to go in circles. Why do you think Wrestling has weight limits? So a 82 pounder does not have to go up against a 133 pounder. Safety.

Even though a Wrestler can move up a class, there are still rules on weight restrictions, even in Wrestling.

[greendad]

thats not a fair comparison, wrestling to football.

in high school they have weight divisions in wrestling, but not in football. its for fairness, not safety.

I've seen pretty big weight differences in C, B and A, kids going head to head in practice and in game situations. yes, the bigger boys have an advantage, but ive never seen anything even close to resembling a dangerous hit or situation. at that age the big boys dont have the speed or leverage to make those hits that cause injuries. they knock the little ones down, but thats it, the just get knocked down and jump right up, just as if they were playing with their friends or skate boarding etc.

its football people! the moms stopping their boys from playing at c and b levels will only be able to stop them for so long. if the boy wants to play, most of the time he will wear her down and play in the later levels.

[green pride]

Greendad, you have probably never wrestled. The weight limit is a safety issue because a two weight class jump is against ohsaa rules because of the safety issues and heavy weights can only weight 250 no more. I would love for your BYF league to play the unlimited teams in Florida or Georgia and see if someone gets hurt. Pop Warner is the biggest youth organization in the country and they have weight limits for safety but I forgot BYF knows better I mean look how good our basketball program has done with this leadership. thats not a fair comparison, wrestling to football.

in high school they have weight divisions in wrestling, but not in football. its for fairness, not safety.

I've seen pretty big weight differences in C, B and A, kids going head to head in practice and in game situations. yes, the bigger boys have an advantage, but ive never seen anything even close to resembling a dangerous hit or situation. at that age the big boys dont have the speed or leverage to make those hits that cause injuries. they knock the little ones down, but thats it, the just get knocked down and jump right up, just as if they were playing with their friends or skate boarding etc.

its football people! the moms stopping their boys from playing at c and b levels will only be able to stop them for so long. if the boy wants to play, most of the time he will wear her down and play in the later levels.

[greendad]

Greendad, you have probably never wrestled. The weight limit is a safety issue because a two weight class jump is against ohsaa rules because of the safety issues and heavy weights can only weight 250 no more. I would love for your BYF league to play the unlimited teams in Florida or Georgia and see if someone gets hurt. Pop Warner is the biggest youth organization in the country and they have weight limits for safety but I forgot BYF knows better I mean look how good our basketball program has done with this leadership.

Its for fairness. what would happen to a small wrestler agianst a big one? the little guy would get pinned, and fast. not hurt. they dont wrestle to injure
its more for fairness. your statement sounds so UN-intelligent.

and for the record, i was a respectable football player. and my boy, he is big, yes. big, strong and an excellent linemen. as far video games, he thinks they are just ok, he'd rather to things in real life.

still whining about the split? like i said before, im not getting into those stupid politics.

Mr. gyf, you should have thought about the unlimited weight limits much sooner, you would not have to worry about the byf so much if they had weight limits and let half of their boys sit on the bench come game day.

you could have done something about the weight limits. your father had/has a lot of pull. but you chose not to address the problem

[green pride]

Lets get things straight we had more kids in gyf and the suburban league. Your league does not pose a threat we are just giving Springfield the facts. As for the wrestling comment come to one of my wrestling practices and we will see if your opion is right. Respectable lineman means you were not very good and probably got beat out by a SYFA kid. Oh I forgot we dont produce football players. Its for fairness. what would happen to a small wrestler agianst a big one? the little guy would get pinned, and fast. not hurt. they dont wrestle to injure
its more for fairness. your statement sounds so UN-intelligent.

and for the record, i was a respectable football player. and my boy, he is big, yes. big, strong and an excellent linemen. as far video games, he thinks they are just ok, he'd rather to things in real life.

still whining about the split? like i said before, im not getting into those stupid politics.

Mr. gyf, you should have thought about the unlimited weight limits much sooner, you would not have to worry about the byf so much if they had weight limits and let half of their boys sit on the bench come game day.

you could have done something about the weight limits. your father had/has a lot of pull. but you chose not to address the problem

[thepolster]

Weight limits are in place, because of safety reasons, and safety reasons only. This argument will continue to go in circles. Why do you think Wrestling has weight limits? So a 82 pounder does not have to go up against a 133 pounder. Safety.

Even though a Wrestler can move up a class, there are still rules on weight restrictions, even in Wrestling.

Your wrestling comment is way off base. Larry had to wrestle 6th grader when he was in 4 grade because of his size. Doug's kid has to wrestle 2 - 3 year advanced kids also because of his size. So whats harder to do? I seen the results and its not pretty. Any wrestling coach can tell you that. I seen Dillon wrestle a 160 pound kid and he was at 102 and Dillon killed him. I just don't see your vision. Its all about the experience. If you don't get any you might as well pick up a instrument. Its time to let these grow up and take the pacifier out there mouths.

[Irish87]

Polster,
its not that far off. With some of the positions these kids are put in, a child weighing 70, 80 or more pounds, could and would snap a limb, especially if unsupervised. Now, in a match, more than likely that wouldn't happen because hopefully, the Ref would stop the match and re-start in a safer position. If you put your child up against mine on a regular basis, there is no doubt in my mind, my child would suffer an injury. Dillon is much stronger and mature, and keep in mind, he is only 2 years older.

Also, another example would have been the Varsity RB for Springfield last year vs Tallmadge, when he broke his femur. Polster, I know you remember this. Did he break it because he had an overweight kid tackle him? No, but he did break it, because he was in a precarious position, when 2 players landed on top of him, with the force of the extra weight, snapping his femur in half. Now, take the same situation with a child who weighs 80 lbs more than another child, and the same result could happen.

If you're not taking into consideration Safety for the children, you shouldn't be involved with Youth sports. There are numerous differnt rules put in place in all sports, to keep the players safe. Weight Restrictions are just another one of those rules.

As the children get older(M.S./H.S.), weight restrictions are as important. The Players begin to be more athletic and are more trained in proper techniques to avoid injuries. At the younger levels, lets just say the kids are too young/nieve to really know how to avoid it. They get caught at the bottom of the pile and really don't know how to catch or protect themselves.

[Smashmouth#1]

We don't need a weight limit period. Every kid should play if he or she wants to and not worry about going from having to move up with older kids cause your over the weight limit. Abolish weight limits and I could live with that.

So you are saying that if weight wasn't an issue that you would be back in favor of the SYFL?

Repost..........Polster I think you must've missed my question here.

[thepolster]

Polster,
its not that far off. With some of the positions these kids are put in, a child weighing 70, 80 or more pounds, could and would snap a limb, especially if unsupervised. Now, in a match, more than likely that wouldn't happen because hopefully, the Ref would stop the match and re-start in a safer position. If you put your child up against mine on a regular basis, there is no doubt in my mind, my child would suffer an injury. Dillon is much stronger and mature, and keep in mind, he is only 2 years older.

Also, another example would have been the Varsity RB for Springfield last year vs Tallmadge, when he broke his femur. Polster, I know you remember this. Did he break it because he had an overweight kid tackle him? No, but he did break it, because he was in a precarious position, when 2 players landed on top of him, with the force of the extra weight, snapping his femur in half. Now, take the same situation with a child who weighs 80 lbs more than another child, and the same result could happen.

If you're not taking into consideration Safety for the children, you shouldn't be involved with Youth sports. There are numerous differnt rules put in place in all sports, to keep the players safe. Weight Restrictions are just another one of those rules.

As the children get older(M.S./H.S.), weight restrictions are as important. The Players begin to be more athletic and are more trained in proper techniques to avoid injuries. At the younger levels, lets just say the kids are too young/nieve to really know how to avoid it. They get caught at the bottom of the pile and really don't know how to catch or protect themselves.

Irish we can keep going round and round but you have you views for whats best for your child, I have views for whats really going to make a impact in the future of Springfield football. Until you go and see a byf game I really don't think you can judge. There isn't these big monster 200 pound 4 four running backs running over people.

[Irish87]

Irish we can keep going round and round but you have you views for whats best for your child, I have views for whats really going to make a impact in the future of Springfield football. Until you go and see a byf game I really don't think you can judge. There isn't these big monster 200 pound 4 four running backs running over people.

My views are not geared toward my child and I'm not judging the BYF League. I don't worry about my child because he can handle his own. My views are based on all children, thus the reasons I bring up safety on a consistent basis. Don't forget, I was on the fence for a long time about BYF/SYF.

I agree, we can argue this till we're blue in the face.

[greendad]

Lets get things straight we had more kids in gyf and the suburban league. Your league does not pose a threat we are just giving Springfield the facts. As for the wrestling comment come to one of my wrestling practices and we will see if your opion is right. Respectable lineman means you were not very good and probably got beat out by a SYFA kid. Oh I forgot we dont produce football players.

I would destroyed a syf player. back then i played cyo ball and back then, playing a syf team would have been a joke.

as far me saying i was a respectable player; i meant i wasnt bad, nor was i a superstar. i did a good job in HS ball. cyo was when i peaked.

so tell me how great you were little mr. gyf

I dont like to start putting people down, but you gave me no choice.

[thepolster]

I would destroyed a syf player. back then i played cyo ball and back then, playing a syf team would have been a joke.

as far me saying i was a respectable player; i meant i wasnt bad, nor was i a superstar. i did a good job in HS ball. cyo was when i peaked.

so tell me how great you were little mr. gyf

I dont like to start putting people down, but you gave me no choice.

Green dad, you got to watch yourself because there is a Internet watch dog waiting to get you thrown off. And we all know who that is.

[greendad]

Lets get things straight we had more kids in gyf and the suburban league. Your league does not pose a threat we are just giving Springfield the facts. As for the wrestling comment come to one of my wrestling practices and we will see if your opion is right. Respectable lineman means you were not very good and probably got beat out by a SYFA kid. Oh I forgot we dont produce football players.

its not my league anymore, it was, and it was a good time there.

if the byf league doesnt pose a threat, then why on earth are so many of you franticly posting neg. things about byf? dont say you dont, because its all in writing in all the posts.

most of the neg. posts toward the syfl are usually rebuttals.

[green pride]

State Champ All American next question.

I would destroyed a syf player. back then i played cyo ball and back then, playing a syf team would have been a joke.

as far me saying i was a respectable player; i meant i wasnt bad, nor was i a superstar. i did a good job in HS ball. cyo was when i peaked.

so tell me how great you were little mr. gyf

I dont like to start putting people down, but you gave me no choice.

[Buckeye29]

Weight limits are in place, because of safety reasons, and safety reasons only. This argument will continue to go in circles. Why do you think Wrestling has weight limits? So a 82 pounder does not have to go up against a 133 pounder. Safety.

Even though a Wrestler can move up a class, there are still rules on weight restrictions, even in Wrestling.

Wrestling may not be a good example because they have weight classes not weight limits. I can also say that during practice I've seen 82 to 90 pounders going up against 120 to 125 pounders. I think that parents that are afraid to let their 50lb boy go up against a 110lb boy are still going to be afraid of a 90lb kid. From my experience it's not the biggest kids that really lay down the punishing blows, it's the smaller more athletic boys, like your boy Irish. I think if a parent is afraid you're not going to change their mind.

[greendad]

Wrestling may not be a good example because they have weight classes not weight limits. I can also say that during practice I've seen 82 to 90 pounders going up against 120 to 125 pounders. I think that parents that are afraid to let their 50lb boy go up against a 110lb boy are still going to be afraid of a 90lb kid. From my experience it's not the biggest kids that really lay down the punishing blows, it's the smaller more athletic boys, like your boy Irish. I think if a parent is afraid you're not going to change their mind.

like i was saying... :cool:

[greendad]

State Champ All American next question.

1983, #105 impressive.

but, i thought we are talking about football.

[green pride]

Do you honestly want to debate who was a better athlete? Greendad I think I know who you are and you were and still are a want a be. If you dont want to get caught up in the politics why are you on this forum? I have dedicated my life to kids not just my own. You come on here and have your little comments about my faimly but if I seen you out you would not have the guts to do it face to face. The reason I have put my name out there is I am not a little want a be trying to live through my kid tearing down a great organization. By the way Green dad I am not a 105 anymore and we can get together and see if the weight think is true in wrestling.

1983, #105 impressive.

but, i thought we are talking about football.

[thepolster]

Do you honestly want to debate who was a better athlete? Greendad I think I know who you are and you were and still are a want a be. If you dont want to get caught up in the politics why are you on this forum? I have dedicated my life to kids not just my own. You come on here and have your little comments about my faimly but if I seen you out you would not have the guts to do it face to face. The reason I have put my name out there is I am not a little want a be trying to live through my kid tearing down a great organization. By the way Green dad I am not a 105 anymore and we can get together and see if the weight think is true in wrestling.

Violence always solves everything! Chill out dude. You just implicated yourself in his house catching on fire or his car being stolen. Is ddting still allowed in wrestling?

[Irish87]

Wrestling may not be a good example because they have weight classes not weight limits. I can also say that during practice I've seen 82 to 90 pounders going up against 120 to 125 pounders. I think that parents that are afraid to let their 50lb boy go up against a 110lb boy are still going to be afraid of a 90lb kid. From my experience it's not the biggest kids that really lay down the punishing blows, it's the smaller more athletic boys, like your boy Irish. I think if a parent is afraid you're not going to change their mind.

Again, I understand Buckeye, and maybe Wrestling isn't the best example, but it is a semi-close comparison. Rules are in place, for weight restrictions/limits, period, same as SYF. If you are heavier than a certain class, you move up. In some aspects, SYF carries the same option by moving up to the next sqaud. My point was mainly directed towards safety. Now, I'll be the first to admit, I'm not the most knowledgeable person about Wrestling, but I think it would be safe to say, Weight restrictions/classes were put in place for SAFETY reasons. Thats the main point I was trying to make.

And its true, if you have a "mamas" boy out there who is shy/timid/smaller than other kids, that Mother will have a hard time changing her mind about whether to let "Johnny" play football. Unfortunately, there are many kids out there that fit this scenario.

[Buckeye29]

Again, I understand Buckeye, and maybe Wrestling isn't the best example, but it is a semi-close comparison. Rules are in place, for weight restrictions/limits, period, same as SYF. If you are heavier than a certain class, you move up. In some aspects, SYF carries the same option by moving up to the next sqaud. My point was mainly directed towards safety. Now, I'll be the first to admit, I'm not the most knowledgeable person about Wrestling, but I think it would be safe to say, Weight restrictions/classes were put in place for SAFETY reasons. Thats the main point I was trying to make.

And its true, if you have a "mamas" boy out there who is shy/timid/smaller than other kids, that Mother will have a hard time changing her mind about whether to let "Johnny" play football. Unfortunately, there are many kids out there that fit this scenario.

I agree Irish to a point, but I think weight classes in wrestling are there more because it is a one-on-one sport unlike football. Safty does come into play, but I think it's a matter of fairness more. I do think you're right in the fact that a kid can't move up or down more than a couple weight classes is a safty issue. I just don't think that these big butter-balls that we're talking about at the younger levels are really going to make it unsafe for the smaller kids. My kid has always been the smallest kid on every team he's been on, and he's went up against kids twice his weight at the lower levels and he's always been fine. Like I said before, it's the smaller more athletic kids that have put the best hits on him.

[Irish87]

Fair enough.

[spartanmom12]

Again, I understand Buckeye, and maybe Wrestling isn't the best example, but it is a semi-close comparison. Rules are in place, for weight restrictions/limits, period, same as SYF. If you are heavier than a certain class, you move up. In some aspects, SYF carries the same option by moving up to the next sqaud. My point was mainly directed towards safety. Now, I'll be the first to admit, I'm not the most knowledgeable person about Wrestling, but I think it would be safe to say, Weight restrictions/classes were put in place for SAFETY reasons. Thats the main point I was trying to make.

And its true, if you have a "mamas" boy out there who is shy/timid/smaller than other kids, that Mother will have a hard time changing her mind about whether to let "Johnny" play football. Unfortunately, there are many kids out there that fit this scenario.

Holy crap man, my head will explode if I read one more thread about safety. No one cared when my son went up against the varsity "big boys" and got ran over. All I seen was high fives in that camp.

Maybe a private school is better for him.

[Irish87]

No one cared when my son went up against the varsity "big boys" and got ran over. All I seen was high fives in that camp.

:shrug:

[greendad]

Do you honestly want to debate who was a better athlete? Greendad I think I know who you are and you were and still are a want a be. If you dont want to get caught up in the politics why are you on this forum? I have dedicated my life to kids not just my own. You come on here and have your little comments about my faimly but if I seen you out you would not have the guts to do it face to face. The reason I have put my name out there is I am not a little want a be trying to live through my kid tearing down a great organization. By the way Green dad I am not a 105 anymore and we can get together and see if the weight think is true in wrestling.

I wasnt making fun of your wrestling acheivements green pride. winning a state wrestling title is great thing. but how and when did this football thread turn into a wrestling one?

also if you go back in this thread you will read where you started bashing myself and my son. all i said about you personally was that you and your father could have done something about the weight limits long ago.

another thing; i've never said anything bad about syf except the weight limits. you started on me personally.

I never had any problems when i was at gyf. we enjoyed it. i just have a problem with the limits.

I do stick up for byf. if you call that tearing down your league, well i really dont know what to call that. you seem to be the one doing the tearing down

A "want to be" what? a player? i dont think so. a coach? yeah, i always want to help out. head coach? no, im not head coach material i can admit that. I dont want to be anything im not.

and what i said about cyo was true. back in my day, cyo was a very tough league, and i'll stand by that.

anybody that has a son or daughter lives through them to certain extent. how could anyone say otherwise? if not, i would say that you dont really care, or are not proud of them.

[green pride]

First off the whole weight issue has been around for years and if you know anything about the syfa it is made up of 11 teams and 5 officers. Green has always been the one pushing for the weight to increase so blaming my father and myself is crap. You along with others on this site have been lied to for many years about many things about me and my family. I played football for 7 years and I believe my 20 years of coaching and 8 championships speak for themselves. You have said many things about GYF and my family so dont take the high road now. I dont mean to sound so pissed but I have seen you and others on this site in public and have even talked to you and you would never say this to my face why are you so brave on a computor? If you want to continue our debate PM me so we dont bore the rest of the Springfield people with past Green issues. I would truly like to resolve this with you if you would send me a message. I wasnt making fun of your wrestling acheivements green pride. winning a state wrestling title is great thing. but how and when did this football thread turn into a wrestling one?

also if you go back in this thread you will read where you started bashing myself and my son. all i said about you personally was that you and your father could have done something about the weight limits long ago.

another thing; i've never said anything bad about syf except the weight limits. you started on me personally.

I never had any problems when i was at gyf. we enjoyed it. i just have a problem with the limits.

I do stick up for byf. if you call that tearing down your league, well i really dont know what to call that. you seem to be the one doing the tearing down

A "want to be" what? a player? i dont think so. a coach? yeah, i always want to help out. head coach? no, im not head coach material i can admit that. I dont want to be anything im not.

and what i said about cyo was true. back in my day, cyo was a very tough league, and i'll stand by that.

anybody that has a son or daughter lives through them to certain extent. how could anyone say otherwise? if not, i would say that you dont really care, or are not proud of them.

[greendad]

First off the whole weight issue has been around for years and if you know anything about the syfa it is made up of 11 teams and 5 officers. Green has always been the one pushing for the weight to increase so blaming my father and myself is crap. You along with others on this site have been lied to for many years about many things about me and my family. I played football for 7 years and I believe my 20 years of coaching and 8 championships speak for themselves. You have said many things about GYF and my family so dont take the high road now. I dont mean to sound so pissed but I have seen you and others on this site in public and have even talked to you and you would never say this to my face why are you so brave on a computor? If you want to continue our debate PM me so we dont bore the rest of the Springfield people with past Green issues. I would truly like to resolve this with you if you would send me a message.

first off thats the first time i've ever heard that you pushed hard for weight increases. so all the other teams scoffed at major weight increases?

well i am taking the high road as you call it. I've NEVER said anything whatsoever about your family except when i said your father having pull and not trying to get the weight limits canned. thats it. if you dont believe me you better look through my posts. i dont like being accused of ---- i never did or said. i think you have me mixed up with someone else.
98% of what i say about gyf is solely about the weight limits. and frankly, im sick of spitting in the wind. the other 2% was a statement i made about gyf feeling like a dictatorship. i didnt say it was one, i merely stated imo, it felt like one at times. i bet i can find dozens and dozens of neg. things you say about byf in your posts.

it dosent take bravery to say what ive been saying, i just that i can relay my thoughts and words much better in writing. plus i think people listen better when they read it in print.

and you talk about me talking about your family, when you edit out the post where you talk crap about my son in the post that starts with you saying " you probably never wrestled"

ppffft! whos trying to take the high road !!

i'm done with this thread, i wont be replying to anymore posts

[brownandorange]

first off thats the first time i've ever heard that you pushed hard for weight increases. so all the other teams scoffed at major weight increases?

well i am taking the high road as you call it. I've NEVER said anything whatsoever about your family except when i said your father having pull and not trying to get the weight limits canned. thats it. if you dont believe me you better look through my posts. i dont like being accused of ---- i never did or said. i think you have me mixed up with someone else.
98% of what i say about gyf is solely about the weight limits. and frankly, im sick of spitting in the wind. the other 2% was a statement i made about gyf feeling like a dictatorship. i didnt say it was one, i merely stated imo, it felt like one at times. i bet i can find dozens and dozens of neg. things you say about byf in your posts.

it dosent take bravery to say what ive been saying, i just that i can relay my thoughts and words much better in writing. plus i think people listen better when they read it in print.

and you talk about me talking about your family, when you edit out the post where you talk crap about my son in the post that starts with you saying " you probably never wrestled"

ppffft! whos trying to take the high road !!

i'm done with this thread, i wont be replying to anymore posts

Greendad, don't fret about it. It's just a Green thing, you know, do as we say and not as we do.

[GR1FAN]

from what i have been told the weight limit will only go up 5 pounds across the board so the fatter kids can play

[green pride]

I am curious who you would talk to since the committee will look at it this month but again just put info on this site and people will believe.

from what i have been told the weight limit will only go up 5 pounds across the board so the fatter kids can play