Final 2007 Usa Today Rankings

[consumerman]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/football/poll/2007-super25.htm

[consumerman]

congrats to MNW

3 Florida teams in the top ten

[Hurri-Comet]

Ditto! :cool:

[DLSfanNW]

Of the big four football states, if you give a value inverse to their national ranking (ie MNW gets 25 points for being #1) you get something like this...

FL 61 points
CA 39 points
OH 31 points
TX 21 points

[djtomr941]

congrats to MNW

3 Florida teams in the top ten

I pick St. Thomas Aquinas to be the top team in Florida in 08. Oh, and they play in the Herbie. Cris Carter is coming home! I hope that STA gets a worthy opponent and not some Ohio scrub.

[Baron Von Steuben]

MNW is a deserving pick for #1. (saw the finals on Fox Sports)

Thought Jeanette was ranked way too high. Saw several of their games on FSP. Prior is the real deal, but you're talking a PIAA AA squad here. Central Catholic would have buried them.

Katy (watched the final): too high of a ranking.

Haven't heard much talk about the AL squad anywhere.

[TheEture]

MNW is an AMAZING team well deserving, i would believe they would beat ST X by at least 17.

[FormerWildcat]

Thought Jeanette was ranked way too high. Saw several of their games on FSP. Prior is the real deal, but you're talking a PIAA AA squad here. Central Catholic would have buried them.
I think Pittsburgh Central Catholic would have beaten Jeanette rather handily as well. I'm a bit skeptical on some of the lower division teams picked in several states.

Pahokee plays in a real small division in Florida, so them beating up on some hapless small school team 53-14 in the state final (or any other game for that matter) tells me virtually zilch.

I'm not so sure Northside Warner Robins (Class AAAA state champ) would have beaten Camden County (Class AAAAA state champ) in Georgia either.

[WoodyHayes]

Of the big four football states, if you give a value inverse to their national ranking (ie MNW gets 25 points for being #1) you get something like this...

FL 61 points
CA 39 points
OH 31 points
TX 21 points

I pretty much agree with what you are saying hewre. I got to watch lots of games of all 4 states. FLA clearly the cream this year. Cali better than the rest but to be honest with you, I was not real impressed with Texas or Ohio this year. Decent teams but no powerhouses that when you watch them you gow "WOW!" Just did not happen this year.

[Texasfan]

I pretty much agree with what you are saying hewre. I got to watch lots of games of all 4 states. FLA clearly the cream this year. Cali better than the rest but to be honest with you, I was not real impressed with Texas or Ohio this year. Decent teams but no powerhouses that when you watch them you gow "WOW!" Just did not happen this year.


did u happen watch st.x besides there semifinal game they domminated everyone. i agree mnw should be number 1 but st.x should probably be top 3.

[IronEagle82]

I pick St. Thomas Aquinas to be the top team in Florida in 08. Oh, and they play in the Herbie. Cris Carter is coming home! I hope that STA gets a worthy opponent and not some Ohio scrub.

STA is scheduled to play Middletown, the high school Cris Carter attended. Game sounds real nice and sentimental in theory. But reality is they are a decent team, I've never heard of them making the playoffs and have not been a threat to win their conference in at least ten years. STA should roll them big time. Middletown does play in the same conference as Colerain, but never wins more than 7 games a season.

[WoodyHayes]

did u happen watch st.x besides there semifinal game they domminated everyone. i agree mnw should be number 1 but st.x should probably be top 3. Just not the team that excited me or made me go WOW. Colerain of '04, some of the old Moeller and Ignatius teams and the Southlake Carroll teams of a few years back along with the DLS teams that ran the records. Now those are WOW teams. Just did not get that feeling from X. Just my opinion.

[consumerman]

did u happen watch st.x besides there semifinal game they domminated everyone. i agree mnw should be number 1 but st.x should probably be top 3.

trailing by double digits in one game is not dominating, a good comeback win though

taking three overtimes to beat another team 17-14 doesn't fit my definition of dominating

there is three games right there

[concha]

trailing by double digits in one game is not dominating, a good comeback win though

taking three overtimes to beat another team 17-14 doesn't fit my definition of dominating

there is three games right there

You must be referring to the double-digit comeback over a nationally-ranked team accomplished without Darius Ashley (avg. 132 ypg). The Iggy game, well, you know the story there.


How do you feel about a team getting a scare in the ONE game they played against anyone of any consequence? You may know of such a team.

[Price_Hillbilly]

Just not the team that excited me or made me go WOW. Colerain of '04, some of the old Moeller and Ignatius teams and the Southlake Carroll teams of a few years back along with the DLS teams that ran the records. Now those are WOW teams. Just did not get that feeling from X. Just my opinion.

I don't think X has ever, or will ever make anyone go "WOW." But their gameplan is so good that one could almost consider it surgical.

[consumerman]

You must be referring to the double-digit comeback over a nationally-ranked team accomplished without Darius Ashley (avg. 132 ypg). The Iggy game, well, you know the story there.


How do you feel about a team getting a scare in the ONE game they played against anyone of any consequence? You may know of such a team.

Did ST X DOMINATE everyone all year as the poster said?

Or do you want to take more shots at other schools?

[WrongPerson]

I don't think X has ever, or will ever make anyone go "WOW." But their gameplan is so good that one could almost consider it surgical.

This pretty much hits the mark, X's style of play is not conducive to a national poll. When people only see 7-21 point of margins, a lot of people wonder why they're even in the top 25 when everyone else is crushing their opponent by 40 and 50 points. Until there is more interstate play, which I sorta do, sorta dont want to happen...its gonna be real hard for X to get a 'holy crap, did you see that?' kind of reaction.

[XdesIDtrans]

Just not the team that excited me or made me go WOW. Colerain of '04, some of the old Moeller and Ignatius teams and the Southlake Carroll teams of a few years back along with the DLS teams that ran the records. Now those are WOW teams. Just did not get that feeling from X. Just my opinion.

I'd agree that they don't put on a show of force like some teams... just more methodical... Not a "wow" team compared to a few, but definitely a team that has a lot of control and resolve against the best of the best of each style of play... I think I'm trying to say they are versatile and adaptable which to me is most impressive even if it isn't always the most fun to watch.

[XdesIDtrans]

This pretty much hits the mark, X's style of play is not conducive to a national poll. When people only see 7-21 point of margins, a lot of people wonder why they're even in the top 25 when everyone else is crushing their opponent by 40 and 50 points. Until there is more interstate play, which I sorta do, sorta dont want to happen...its gonna be real hard for X to get a 'holy crap, did you see that?' kind of reaction.

yep.

[concha]

X schedules are also not conducive to a long laundry list of blowouts.

Despite three years of playing what are considered some of the nation's toughest schedules, in 42 games X has given up over 14 points just 5 times. Opponents scored 7 or less in 27 games. X's opponents in that time had an 80%+ winning percentage in their other games (376-93). Ball control and defense win games.

[PhillyBomber]

X schedules are also not conducive to a long laundry list of blowouts.

Despite three years of playing what are considered some of the nation's toughest schedules, in 42 games X has given up over 14 points just 5 times. Opponents scored 7 or less in 27 games. X's opponents in that time had an 80%+ winning percentage in their other games (376-93). Ball control and defense win games.

That's just amazing...

[consumerman]

de la salle won 151 games in a row AVERAGING 47.5 points per game

a high powered offense wins games

[Chicago]

I thought scoring more points than the opponents score wins games.

[pied]

I thought scoring more points than the opponents score wins games.

True, but defense wins championships. Because there was no state championship during the streak era to worry about, Lad could focus on the high powered offense.

[Chicago]

Nice.

I like "offense wins games, but defense wins championships."

So theoretically, if you have a terrible offense, there is some way to win championships even if you don't win any games.

Even in Texas, you have to win at least three times or so to even make the playoffs.

[pied]

Special Teams my man...

[elwood]

True, but defense wins championships. Because there was no state championship during the streak era to worry about, Lad could focus on the high powered offense.DLS opponents averaged 8 PPG during streak, a large chunk of that scored late in 2nd half against subs. Good point.

[pied]

DLS opponents averaged 8 PPG during streak. You're right, he didn't focus on defense.

I was taking consuerman's statement as fact.

Also, hasn't Lad focused on the O-line? I believe he said:

"I coach the offensive line and I want everyone to know this is where our priority is for our personnel."

[elwood]

I was taking consuerman's statement as fact.

Also, hasn't Lad focused on the O-line? I believe he said:

"I coach the offensive line and I want everyone to know this is where our priority is for our personnel."
Yes, cm's statement is factual, but not mutually exclusive. Yes, Lad is the OL Coach, and Eidson is the D Coach. Both superior in their own right.

I do not believe that making the OL a priority is tantamount to saying that there is not a focus on defense. Without an offense it doesn't matter how good your D is unless you are counting on the D scoring all your points. As a coach, Lad believes that the O Line is the key to the offense, no matter who your skill players are.

[pied]

Yes, cm's statement is factual, but not mutually exclusive. Yes, Lad is the OL Coach, and Eidson is the D Coach. Both superior in their own right.

I do not believe that making the OL a priority is tantamount to saying that there is not a focus on defense. Without an offense it doesn't matter how good your D is unless you are counting on the D scoring all your points. As a coach, Lad believes that the O Line is the key to the offense, no matter who your skill players are.


You're right. I was certain that Lad cared nothing about defense and only cared about offense, but now I know.

Thanks for clearing that up.

[Chicago]

I thought Ladouceur cared about everything.

I thought Eidsen lived for special teams, liked defense, and only cared about offense when they were being shut out, at which point he would complain to Ladouceur.

[elwood]

You're right. I was certain that Lad cared nothing about defense and only cared about offense, but now I know.

Thanks for clearing that up.You're quite welcome Pied. Next week's topic: Addition.

[pied]

I thought Ladouceur cared about everything.

I thought Eidsen lived for special teams, liked defense, and only cared about offense when they were being shut out, at which point he would complain to Ladouceur.

Lad would tell him to write it down and make a goal of correcting it and get back to figuring out how to get the second step down more quickly.

[pied]

You're quite welcome Pied. Next week's topic: Addition.


Adittion? Dude I am aces all the way to 12+12. More than that I'll just use a calculator or build you a mean spreadsheet.

I'd rather you focus on Dark Ages history. Not real familiar w/much there.

[Chicago]

In math and in the Dark Ages, you have to know your Angles.

[elwood]

Adittion? Dude I am aces all the way to 12+12. More than that I'll just use a calculator or build you a mean spreadsheet.

I'd rather you focus on Dark Ages history. Not real familiar w/much there.Outstanding pied. Glad to see that Texas education is paying off in spades.

[pied]

Spades???

I would like you to know I am paid in U.S. American Dollars sir.

Leave it to someone from CA to get paid w/playing cards.....

[Chicago]

I have finally located the "former DLS player" who had dinner with SLCDad.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/05/AR2008020503672.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2008020600092

It took extensive research, but I was glad to do it as a service to (almost) everyone on the board.

[SLCDad]

I have finally located the "former DLS player" who had dinner with SLCDad.

You and others keep bringing this topic up. I dropped it long ago. However, I stand by the facts I posted about this guy. His story is true and I retract none of it.

[Chicago]

Aha..."this guy."

Thanks for confirming I found the right guy.

[SLCDad]

Aha..."this guy."

Thanks for confirming I found the right guy.

I didn't and you don't.

[pied]

You and others keep bringing this topic up. I dropped it long ago. However, I stand by the facts I posted about this guy. His story is true and I retract none of it.

Actually you have already retracted his name, correct?

[SLCDad]

Actually you have already retracted his name, correct? Nope. Not retracted. Deleted.

[pied]

Please accept my apology for confusing the two.

[elwood]

You and others keep bringing this topic up. I dropped it long ago. However, I stand by the facts I posted about this guy. His story is true and I retract none of it.
In comedy, stupidity has a half-life greater than Uranium.

[SLCDad]

In comedy, stupidity has a half-life greater than Uranium.

Yep, but truth is truth forever.

[elwood]

...that's all ya got ta say about thaaaat.. Thanks Forrest.

[WoodyHayes]

I have finally located the "former DLS player" who had dinner with SLCDad.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/05/AR2008020503672.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2008020600092

It took extensive research, but I was glad to do it as a service to (almost) everyone on the board. I just got done reading this article in the Dallas Paper and fate has it, that I thought about a certain poster on this sight. I think this could be the son of the "I was eating dinner the other night and I met a guy from Nebraska"

Sorry DaddyUHOH, this aint never going away.

[SLCDad]

I just got done reading this article in the Dallas Paper and fate has it, that I thought about a certain poster on this sight. I think this could be the son of the "I was eating dinner the other night and I met a guy from Nebraska"

Sorry DaddyUHOH, this aint never going away.

I was tempted to post even more information but I decided against it. Like I said, I dropped it long ago. Frankly, I don't care if EVERYONE ELSE keeps bringing it up because it's the truth. 100% absolute truth. No doubt about it.

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[Chicago]

I'm with SLCDad.

If you can't trust a random guy you meet at a conference when he starts talking about his high school football career, is there anyone you can trust about anything?

[SLCDad]

I'm with SLCDad.

If you can't trust a random guy you meet at a conference when he starts talking about his high school football career, is there anyone you can trust about anything?

Except . . . he's not a random guy (not any more). Good effort but not quite good enough.

[Plaindriver]

Except . . . he's not a random guy (not any more). Good effort but not quite good enough.

The name that Daddy came up with was never on any enrollment logs at DLS. Whats even more ironic is that the name Daddy came up with is shared by one of the writers for that Fri Nite Lights show on MTV(?).
You gotta hand it to Daddy, he has some imagination, and it keeps on keeping on.

Tho it is rather strange, that the captain of the DLS teams in 91-92 never heard of the named player, and none of the rosters ever showed that name, and the school att office has no record of someone by that name ever attending that school.

Hey, Daddy, since there might be some newcomers on this board, would you mind if I repost your original story here, for all to enjoy again? I think I still have it in the archives. helll, the truth loves scrutiny. I think I can get a link to the Spartanhood.com board where there were well in excess of 100 posts, most of which just marveled at your creativity. How about it, Daddy, can we revisit the issue?

[SLCDad]

The name that Daddy came up with was never on any enrollment logs at DLS. Whats even more ironic is that the name Daddy came up with is shared by one of the writers for that Fri Nite Lights show on MTV(?).
You gotta hand it to Daddy, he has some imagination, and it keeps on keeping on.

Tho it is rather strange, that the captain of the DLS teams in 91-92 never heard of the named player, and none of the rosters ever showed that name, and the school att office has no record of someone by that name ever attending that school.

Hey, Daddy, since there might be some newcomers on this board, would you mind if I repost your original story here, for all to enjoy again? I think I still have it in the archives. helll, the truth loves scrutiny. I think I can get a link to the Spartanhood.com board where there were well in excess of 100 posts, most of which just marveled at your creativity. How about it, Daddy, can we revisit the issue?

If you feel the need to resurrect this discussion that's your business, however I doubt it will last long on this board because it's against Uncle Baldy's rules. It's the DLS faithful who keep bringing it up.

I've deleted the name from all of my posts (not retracted, deleted).

That being said, the story is true. I've got more information, which I won't post. You can believe whatever you want but I stand by the facts 100%.

[elwood]

If you feel the need to resurrect this discussion that's your business, however I doubt it will last long on this board because it's against Uncle Baldy's rules. It's the DLS faithful who keep bringing it up.

I've deleted the name from all of my posts (not retracted, deleted).

That being said, the story is true. I've got more information, which I won't post. You can believe whatever you want but I stand by the facts 100%.
hmmm... what part of the story is true. That some no-name stooge made some ridiculous claims that have as much merit as Dad being a member of Mensa, or the fact that some idiot believed him?

[consumerman]

I stand by the facts 100%.

innuendo, rumor and lies are not facts

[Plaindriver]

If you feel the need to resurrect this discussion that's your business, however I doubt it will last long on this board because it's against Uncle Baldy's rules. It's the DLS faithful who keep bringing it up.

I've deleted the name from all of my posts (not retracted, deleted).

That being said, the story is true. I've got more information, which I won't post. You can believe whatever you want but I stand by the facts 100%.

Daddy, Daddy, such a poor memory. Dont forget, your dinner date with Scott was less than 5 mos ago. For starters, let us revisit EXACTLY what YOU wrote as the final two sentences of your original story, which had that catchy title, "True Story About DLS?"

Here is your last line, verbatim: " "I have no idea if the story this guy toldwas true or not. However, I've attempted to accurately post what he told everyone that night." "

In less than five months, you are now CERTAIN that the story is true?
Street cred Daddy, it is slip slidin away, down that slippery old prevarication trail. You dont know when to stop, do you?

Hey, maybe it was Barry Bonds at that dinner table in Nebraska. He is from the Bay area. Maybe he told you that he never did steroids, and you believed him. After all, he would have no reason to lie, right?

[elwood]

OUCH!!! Dad bites the dust on this one.

[SLCDad]

Daddy, Daddy, such a poor memory. Dont forget, your dinner date with Scott was less than 5 mos ago. For starters, let us revisit EXACTLY what YOU wrote as the final two sentences of your original story, which had that catchy title, "True Story About DLS?"

Here is your last line, verbatim: " "I have no idea if the story this guy toldwas true or not. However, I've attempted to accurately post what he told everyone that night." "

In less than five months, you are now CERTAIN that the story is true?
Street cred Daddy, it is slip slidin away, down that slippery old prevarication trail. You dont know when to stop, do you?

It could be that you are a fool, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you just haven't been following the posts. Go back and read ALL of the posts, not just the first one. LOL

I've received more information since post one. Much more. The facts about this guy are true. It happened. Get over it.

[SLCDad]

OUCH!!! Dad bites the dust on this one.

You jumped the gun there boopie. Getting all of the facts BEFORE you post may save you from making a fool of yourself.

Didn't DLS teach you to read the whole book rather than just the cliff notes?

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[Plaindriver]

You jumped the gun there boopie. Getting all of the facts BEFORE you post may save you from making a fool of yourself.

Didn't DLS teach you to read the whole book rather than just the cliff notes?

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Please do thrill us with all your vast acumen on DLS affairs of 15 yrs back, and do let us know the 'new' name of this phantom player so we can verify it. I have rosters back to the 80's, and am in contact with the captain of the early 90's team. The monkey is on your back, Daddy. You need to post solid info, not abstracts. You are looking increasingly foolish. As if thats possible.

By the way, exactly where can one read the "whole book" re this matter? So far, the whole book has only existed in your fertile imagination.

[DLSfanNW]

If you do not want to post the name then why don't you sent Plaindriver a personal message then he can verify the name and post the results here?

[WoodyHayes]

I dont care if it was true or not! It was still funny as he--. If it is true, Daddy should go buy him self a lottery ticket. As a sidenote, and Daddy probably does not know this, I am a member of TASO and am now going in to baseball season. I am pulling hard and trying to get some connections to go down and call a few ball games in Daddy's back yard. Good old Woody hangin out in the "Burbs"

[SLCDad]

If you do not want to post the name then why don't you sent Plaindriver a personal message then he can verify the name and post the results here?

Sorry, I won't do that. Would you like your name flashed around a public message board? It's not the right thing to do. That's why I quickly deleted it.

I'll just say that there has been many contacts with this guy, and the events I described are true.

Also, at least three of the facts I first described (which I had zero first hand knowlege about) seemed stupid at first. I agree they seemed contrived at first, but I just related what I learned. The DLS faithful laughed. However, two were later proven true and the third was shown to be probable. All three actually supported the story in the end.

[SLCDad]

I dont care if it was true or not! It was still funny as he--. If it is true, Daddy should go buy him self a lottery ticket. As a sidenote, and Daddy probably does not know this, I am a member of TASO and am now going in to baseball season. I am pulling hard and trying to get some connections to go down and call a few ball games in Daddy's back yard. Good old Woody hangin out in the "Burbs"

Do we need to warn the SLC coaches that if they find a homesick ump from Ohio they need to instruct the pitchers that the stike zone will be very small when they are throwing and instruct their batters that the zone will be very large when they are hitting?:D :D

Seriously, if you're in the area and need a tour send me a message.

[DLSfanNW]

uh if you PM Plaindriver the only person who will see it is him. He is an honorable man and I am sure the name would stay quiet.

[pied]

Here's the deal as I see it.

SLCDad, I believe that you had a conversation w/a guy that said these things. The problem is that you posted the name, and that name is no where to be found on any DLS roster nor have the players of that time heard of he guy.

You say you have more information that proves the story. Perhaps that is true, but right now it does not add up.

Maybe the guy had a different name at the time, who knows. I think sending a PM to one of the guys that can validate makes sense. I personally can vouch for CowboyTom/Bustinloos because I have met him. PlainDriver and others seem to be good guys, but I have not met them before.

Coming on claiming the story is true w/only the name you have posted before that simply can only be verified as someone that has not played football at DLS does not help.

Just my opinion though.

[DLSfanNW]

He is starting to sound a bit like Roger Clemens.

[Plaindriver]

He is starting to sound a bit like Roger Clemens.

Daddy went on the Spartanhood.com board and erased all his posts on the thread dealing with this yarn. The whole thread can be viewed here:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/main.asp?webtag=spartanhood&msg=1709&find=Search

The orig post by Daddy in in there still, in the 31st post of the thread. Daddy appealed to Yappi to have his orig post, and the whole ensuing thread, removed as well.
Not good tactics Daddy, for someone who wants to be thought of as one who occasionally even deals in the truth.

Please do thrill us all with your additional recently gained acumen in this bombshell story. You have the power to rock the HS football world! Your move , Daddy.

[SLCDad]

Daddy went on the Spartanhood.com board and erased all his posts on the thread dealing with this yarn. The whole thread can be viewed here:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/main.asp?webtag=spartanhood&msg=1709&find=Search

The orig post by Daddy in in there still, in the 31st post of the thread. Daddy appealed to Yappi to have his orig post, and the whole ensuing thread, removed as well.
Not good tactics Daddy, for someone who wants to be thought of as one who occasionally even deals in the truth.

Please do thrill us all with your additional recently gained acumen in this bombshell story. You have the power to rock the HS football world! Your move , Daddy.

EVERYTHING that I posted about what happened to this guy at DLS is 100% true. Even though it was deleted, I retract NONE of it.

By the way, I went on Spartanhood.com because I was invited. I deleted my posts because I wanted nothing to do with what was going on there.

[pied]

EVERYTHING that I posted about what happened to this guy at DLS is 100% true. Even though it was deleted, I retract NONE of it.

By the way, I went on Spartanhood.com because I was invited. I deleted my posts because I wanted nothing to do with what was going on there.

Here's the rub, the name you posted is not found by the DLS Registrars office nor known by any of the players of that era.

If there is different info, why not post that or send it in a PM?

I can only a few possibilities at this point. The guy had a different name, he is pulling your leg, or the DLS guys are hiding.

[Plaindriver]

EVERYTHING that I posted about what happened to this guy at DLS is 100% true. Even though it was deleted, I retract NONE of it.

By the way, I went on Spartanhood.com because I was invited. I deleted my posts because I wanted nothing to do with what was going on there.

Come on Daddy, time to step up.

Fact:
YOU have already identified this mystery player as "Scott Berg"

Fact:
A complete check of the frosh, JV and Varsity rosters from all the DLS programs from 1986 thru 2007 shows NO (as in zero) player by that name.

FACT:
The DLS attendence office has no record of a student by the name "Scott Berg" ever attending the school.

FACT:
The team captain from the '91 and 92 teams says there was no player on his team by that name.

FACT:
DLS is NOT a boarding school. They have no facilities for boarding.

FACT:
YOU, Daddy have stated that this whole yarn is absolutely true.

FACT:
YOU, Daddy, removed all your original posts from the Spartanhood board last wk right after I made reference to it on this board. For some reason, you didnt want any more posters here to see how you had attempted to defend your story previously.

FACT:
Truthful people INVITE scrutiny. Seems like you run from scrutiny, Daddy.

FACT:
Originally YOU said that you "HAD NO IDEA IF THE STORY IS TRUE OR NOT'. But Now, you state that you 'know' it is all true, and that you have additional details. So what additional info do you have that has caused you to change from uncertain to absolute belief? To my knowledge, you have never posted the additional details anywhere. Why? Seems suspicious to all, Daddy.

Daddy, are you gonna step up, or will you erase all your posts here, and then cry to Uncle Baldy that people are "picking on you" and request to have the whole thread deleted. Again.

[Plaindriver]

EVERYTHING that I posted about what happened to this guy at DLS is 100% true. Even though it was deleted, I retract NONE of it.

By the way, I went on Spartanhood.com because I was invited. I deleted my posts because I wanted nothing to do with what was going on there.

You "RETRACT" none of your original story. (I assume this means the "Scott Berg " part as well.)
But then you "DELETE" all your postings from the Spartanhood board!

Seems like we have a integrity conflict here, Daddy.

[SLCDad]

Come on Daddy, time to step up.

Fact:
YOU have already identified this mystery player as "**** ****"

False. Yep, I posted the name but I quickly deleted it. You won't find the name in any of my posts. Sorry. It's now the DLS faithful, like you, who are doing it. I wanted nothing to do with putting a guy's name on a public message board. I made a mistake and QUICKLY corrected it. I think it's wrong to post the name like you just did.

Fact:
A complete check of the frosh, JV and Varsity rosters from all the DLS programs from 1986 thru 2007 shows NO (as in zero) player by that name.

Really? I doubt that. Post links to the rosters here please.

FACT:
The DLS attendence office has no record of a student by the name "**** ****" ever attending the school.

I don't know why the name is different. Perhaps he goes by a middle name or a nickname. However, I think it's unethical to post a name on a message board.

FACT:
The team captain from the '91 and 92 teams says there was no player on his team by that name.

You probably need to expand to a couple of years before and after those years.

FACT:
DLS is NOT a boarding school. They have no facilities for boarding.

I know. I was told that arrangements were made for him to board. As it turns out, it was with his family in the Concord area.

FACT:
YOU, Daddy have stated that this whole yarn is absolutely true.

I stand by the events that were described. I retract NONE of it.

FACT:
YOU, Daddy, removed all your original posts from the Spartanhood board last wk right after I made reference to it on this board. For some reason, you didnt want any more posters here to see how you had attempted to defend your story previously.

100% FALSE. I removed the posts back in Oct/Nov. I didn't want any part of what was going on in that board.

FACT:
Truthful people INVITE scrutiny. Seems like you run from scrutiny, Daddy.

I have no problem with scrutiny. None. I won't drag a guy's name on a public message board. Sadly, the DLS faithful have no problem with doing it even after I asked them (including YOU) to not do so.

FACT:
Originally YOU said that you "HAD NO IDEA IF THE STORY IS TRUE OR NOT'. But Now, you state that you 'know' it is all true, and that you have additional details. So what additional info do you have that has caused you to change from uncertain to absolute belief? To my knowledge, you have never posted the additional details anywhere. Why? Seems suspicious to all, Daddy.

I know MUCH more about what happened now than when I first posted. I'm sure it's true. I didn't know at first. Now I do. Trust me, you don't want more information posted.

Daddy, are you gonna step up, or will you erase all your posts here, and then cry to Uncle Baldy that people are "picking on you" and request to have the whole thread deleted. Again.

I don't want any part of unethical behavior that you have shown here.



You conveniently leave out two facts that SUPPORT the story.

#1. I was told that this guy played with A. Toomer. I'm not knowlegeable about players in the NFL. At the time I had no clue who A. Toomer was and had never heard of him. In fact, when I posted the story I spelled the name Tumer. Now it turns out that A. Toomer played at DLS during the years in question.

#2. I also posted that this guy was invited to join a summer football camp run by Coach Lad. The DLS faithful laughed and said that Coach Lad does not run any summer football camps. However, after investigation it was learned that Coach Lad has hosted summer camps for young pre-HS players AND that DLS players are required to participate in the summer conditioning program.

I knew NOTHING about both of these facts but just posted what I learned about this guy. Both of these facts support the story.

I stand by the events of the story 100%. They are true. Live with it.

[SLCDad]

You "RETRACT" none of your original story. (I assume this means the "Scott Berg " part as well.)
But then you "DELETE" all your postings from the Spartanhood board!

Seems like we have a integrity conflict here, Daddy.

LOL. ALL of the posts on both boards were deleted MONTHS ago. THAT is the right thing to do. I thought the DLS faithful were acting unethically and I wanted no part of it.

It's the DLS fans who keep bringing this story up over and over and over again, not me.

[consumerman]

I thought the DLS faithful were acting unethically and I wanted no part of it.


let's see

dad goes on an ohio board and makes up a story about DLS

then he goes on a DLS board and makes even more ridiculous claims about DLS

(remember this is after SLC got their --- kicked)

and he says the DLS faithful were acting unethically???????????????????

he had ALL HIS POSTS deleted
what does that tell you

[SLCDad]

I thought the DLS faithful were acting unethically and I wanted no part of it.


let's see

dad goes on an ohio board and makes up a story about DLS

then he goes on a DLS board and makes even more ridiculous claims about DLS

(remember this is after SLC got their --- kicked)

and he says the DLS faithful were acting unethically???????????????????

he had ALL HIS POSTS deleted
what does that tell you

Conlooneyman, at least get your facts straight. Sheesh.

The events I described are true.

I went on the DLS board because I was invited. I explained the facts as best I knew them. I asked that the name be kept confidential because I think it's unethical to post it. The DLS faithful didn't act the same way and ignored the request. Therefore, I deleted my posts. The posts have been gone for months.

What does the SLC/MNW game have to do with this? LOL

The events are TRUE. Get over it.

[Chicago]

"Jerry, just remember, it's not a lie if YOU believe it."

[consumerman]

you did not delete the posts

the admin did

trying to cover your shameless lies again

[SLCDad]

you did not delete the posts

the admin did

trying to cover your shameless lies again

LOL Really? You crack me up.

The events I described are 100% true (and there's more.)

[Plaindriver]

Originally Posted by Plaindriver View Post
Come on Daddy, time to step up.

Fact:
YOU have already identified this mystery player as "**** ****"

False. Yep, I posted the name but I quickly deleted it. You won't find the name in any of my posts. Sorry. It's now the DLS faithful, like you, who are doing it. I wanted nothing to do with putting a guy's name on a public message board. I made a mistake and QUICKLY corrected it. I think it's wrong to post the name like you just did.

What do you mean, FALSE??? You just admit that you DID post the name. Just because you deleted it later on does not change the FACT that you DID post his name!!!


Fact:
A complete check of the frosh, JV and Varsity rosters from all the DLS programs from 1986 thru 2007 shows NO (as in zero) player by that name.

Really? I doubt that. Post links to the rosters here please.

FACT:
The DLS attendence office has no record of a student by the name "**** ****" ever attending the school.

I don't know why the name is different. Perhaps he goes by a middle name or a nickname. However, I think it's unethical to post a name on a message board.

Is it unethical to check with the attendance office also? Perhaps you should have done this before posting the original yarn.

FACT:
The team captain from the '91 and 92 teams says there was no player on his team by that name.

You probably need to expand to a couple of years before and after those years.

Cant find the name you gave anywhere between '86 to present.

FACT:
DLS is NOT a boarding school. They have no facilities for boarding.

I know. I was told that arrangements were made for him to board. As it turns out, it was with his family in the Concord area.

Does this mean that he really wasnt from Nebraska, after all???

FACT:
YOU, Daddy have stated that this whole yarn is absolutely true.

I stand by the events that were described. I retract NONE of it.

FACT:
YOU, Daddy, removed all your original posts from the Spartanhood board last wk right after I made reference to it on this board. For some reason, you didnt want any more posters here to see how you had attempted to defend your story previously.

100% FALSE. I removed the posts back in Oct/Nov. I didn't want any part of what was going on in that board.

Daddy puhleeze! Look at your statement" 100% FALSE. Next sentence you admit to doing just what I said you did. Are we starting to see a pattern here???

FACT:
Truthful people INVITE scrutiny. Seems like you run from scrutiny, Daddy.

I have no problem with scrutiny. None. I won't drag a guy's name on a public message board. Sadly, the DLS faithful have no problem with doing it even after I asked them (including YOU) to not do so.

Obviously a fictitious name. Who, besides you, does it harm by mentioning the name?

FACT:
Originally YOU said that you "HAD NO IDEA IF THE STORY IS TRUE OR NOT'. But Now, you state that you 'know' it is all true, and that you have additional details. So what additional info do you have that has caused you to change from uncertain to absolute belief? To my knowledge, you have never posted the additional details anywhere. Why? Seems suspicious to all, Daddy.

I know MUCH more about what happened now than when I first posted. I'm sure it's true. I didn't know at first. Now I do. Trust me, you don't want more information posted.

Daddy, its awful difficult to 'trust' anything you say. I would love to hear all your facts re this matter. Are you now trying to protect DLS? Out with it, Daddy. Trust me, I DO want ALL of the info posted.

Daddy, are you gonna step up, or will you erase all your posts here, and then cry to Uncle Baldy that people are "picking on you" and request to have the whole thread deleted. Again.

I don't want any part of unethical behavior that you have shown here.

Unethical??? Who posts an unsubstantiated story on a national board, refused to check facts first, then states he has more solid info, but yet refuses to post this additional material?

[Plaindriver]

You conveniently leave out two facts that SUPPORT the story.

#1. I was told that this guy played with A. Toomer. I'm not knowlegeable about players in the NFL. At the time I had no clue who A. Toomer was and had never heard of him. In fact, when I posted the story I spelled the name Tumer. Now it turns out that A. Toomer played at DLS during the years in question.

#2. I also posted that this guy was invited to join a summer football camp run by Coach Lad. The DLS faithful laughed and said that Coach Lad does not run any summer football camps. However, after investigation it was learned that Coach Lad has hosted summer camps for young pre-HS players AND that DLS players are required to participate in the summer conditioning program.

I knew NOTHING about both of these facts but just posted what I learned about this guy. Both of these facts support the story.

I stand by the events of the story 100%. They are true. Live with it.

Mr Toomer never played on the 'streak' teams. His last yr was the 91 season.

You say : "I stand by the events of the story 100%."

Please note in your "story", the last two sentences of the 2nd paragraph. I will refresh your memory with exactly what YOU wrote:

"This young man from Nebraska played for DLS for several years in the midst of the streak. He mentioned several college stars that he played with at DLS."

Something just doesnt add up here, Daddy. He played with Toomer. Toomer's last season was '91. The streak started in 92. 'Played several years in the midst of the streak'. Played with Toomer. Which is it? Cant be both. Do you see where Im goin with this? There are all kinds of little inconsistencies with your story.

[consumerman]

I was told that arrangements were made for him to board. As it turns out, it was with his family in the Concord area.


BEYOND LUNACY

you are a complete fool

[consumerman]

the fact that he mentioned some guy named Toomer ......

Amani Toomer has been in the NFL for 14 years

gee, if I was gonna make up a story, what name would I pick????????????????????????????????????????????/

[consumerman]

"This young man from Nebraska played for DLS for several years in the midst of the streak. He mentioned several college stars that he played with at DLS."



The fact that he combined Toomer along with several college players from the streak is BEYONG PROOF that neither daditis or this make believe person know any fatcs. they took a few almost universally known things about DLS and tried to make a lie.

This is pure and simple

A lie and fabrication

and a chance to deflect attention from SLC getting whupped

[SLCDad]

The amusing thing about this debate is that the events regarding this guy are true. They happened.

[elwood]

The amusing thing about this debate is that the events regarding this guy are true. They happened.Thank you Mr. Clemens. Your testimony has been so noted and we will be getting back in touch with should we need more testimony.

This seems to be a Texas thing.

[SLCDad]

Something just doesnt add up here, Daddy. He played with Toomer. Toomer's last season was '91. The streak started in 92. 'Played several years in the midst of the streak'. Played with Toomer. Which is it? Cant be both. Do you see where Im goin with this? There are all kinds of little inconsistencies with your story.

LOL The inconsistencies are only in your mind. The story is 100% consistent because it is TRUE. There has been NOTHING posted ANYWHERE that disproves the events.

Think a little deeper.

I don't know what year(s) their paths crossed but my guess is that the guy I described was an underclassman when Toomer was an upperclassman.

[Chicago]

I played at DLS with Maurice Drew in the late 70s.

[DLSfanNW]

OK Now we are making progress...If he was an underclassmen playing with Toomer (and assuming he was not a Freshman playing on the Varsity) then that narrows this to two possible years. Plaindriver checked the roster for someone with the last name you posted originally (first names can be nicknames but not usually last names) and as I understand it there was no match...Any other closing arguements you would like to add?

I for one realize you will never admit that 1) Best case you were royally duped) or 2) Worst case You are a jealous liar BUT you are painted into a corner and the little credibility you have left is quickly dissipating.

[Chicago]

But those rosters are only in Plaindriver's mind.

I guess.

Or something.

[Plaindriver]

Daddy, Here is the email note I sent the team captain from 91-92. This fellow is a huge cornerstone of the streak. Extremely well known and respected in the DLS folklore. First name is Patrick. All DLS people will need no more info than his 1st name.
From Plaindriver to Patrick, 10-17-07 0912


"Hello, Patrick
We have never met, but Im a long time DLS supporter. Recently, in Texas, an individual named Scott Berg, claimed to be a standout DB on the Spartan team in the 91-92-93 seasons. Some of the claims he made were way out there. If you can take a moment, and search your memory, and see if this name rings a bell, I would sure appreciate it. I couldnt think of any other source or person to turn to for info. Sorry to bother you.
Thanks, mark (plaindriver)"

From Patrick to Plaindriver, 10-17-07 1033

"So you are the plaindriver! Cool man go Spartans.

As you know I played during those years...That would be my Jr, Sr, and then I was gone for 93. Scott Berg never played on the 91 or 92 teams and DEFINATELY did not start (if I forgot him being on the team but I seriously doubt that.)

Hope this helps and Go Spartans...looks like The Sparty's are back in a big way. "


Then, from me to Patrick, 10-17-07 1052

"Thank a bunch! I am surprised and honored that you even replied.

The inquiry stems from a Texas board poster who spun a detailed yarn about a young Nebraska 8th grader who Lad stumbled upon playing in a pick up game. Lad offers the kid ("Scott Berg") a full ride, etc. etc. We are having fun with him on the Spartanhood board!
Thanx for taking the time to supply concrete info!
Regards, mark"

And Patrick's final response 10-17-07 1119

"0% chance he played on my team."

I would say that Patrick's mathematical assessment of old 'Scotty' playing at DLS are approximately equal to the quantity of validity to your story.

All along, your best evidence has been: "I know its true. I have additional info. I believe the guy. Its absolutely true. Why would he lie?" You aint gonna win many convictions with that logic, Daddy. How bout some cold hard facts?
************************************************** ****

Actually, I can think of a reason that he would lie: His beloved SLC Dragons lost a home game to a Miami team, lost their streak, and sense of invincibility. He is miserable over the loss, and since misery loves company, he spins a yarn about perhaps the most successful program of the past 25 yrs or so, (the program that he is secretly jealous of), in hopes of getting more people into his misery camp. IMHO

[consumerman]

Thank you Mr. Clemens. Your testimony has been so noted and we will be getting back in touch with should we need more testimony.

This seems to be a Texas thing.

I guess since Texas according to our friends have the best of evreything, they surely seem to have the best liars

even against overwhelming evidence, logic and deduction, they hold steadfast to their ridiculous lies

"he was given free room and board by Coach Lad" oops I mean free room and board with his family

"his name was ----- ----" oops he must have used his nickname

"he played with AMani Toomer during the streak" oops I mean he did play, I mean did not play, I mean he was there, I mean he was not there, I mean I did not now have sex with that woman depending on what the meaning of is is"

____________________________

to continue with this fabrication beyond any logic reasoning proof or fact is the saddest thing I have ever witnessed

[consumerman]

Actually, I can think of a reason that he would lie: His beloved SLC Dragons lost a home game to a Miami team, lost their streak, and sense of invincibility. He is miserable over the loss

I have told you guys this from Day 1

[pied]

I guess since Texas according to our friends have the best of evreything, they surely seem to have the best liars

even against overwhelming evidence, logic and deduction, they hold steadfast to their ridiculous lies

"he was given free room and board by Coach Lad" oops I mean free room and board with his family

"his name was ----- ----" oops he must have used his nickname

"he played with AMani Toomer during the streak" oops I mean he did play, I mean did not play, I mean he was there, I mean he was not there, I mean I did not now have sex with that woman depending on what the meaning of is is"

____________________________

to continue with this fabrication beyond any logic reasoning proof or fact is the saddest thing I have ever witnessed


Just pointing out that the entire performance enhancing substance issue is centered around San Francisco and BALCO, not to mention Bonds.

Also, the purported liar in this story was from Nebraska not Texas.

[pied]

Curious can someone publish these rosters on Spartanhood? I know someone posted a Word doc.

[consumerman]

Just pointing out that the entire performance enhancing substance issue is centered around San Francisco and BALCO, not to mention Bonds.

Also, the purported liar in this story was from Nebraska not Texas.

WRONG

The entire issue is about daditis, poster boy for texas high school football fans

just pointing out a president was murdered in texas and then the accused assassin was murdered while in texas authority hands

has as much relevance

[SLCDad]

Daddy, Here is the email note I sent the team captain from 91-92. This fellow is a huge cornerstone of the streak. Extremely well known and respected in the DLS folklore. First name is Patrick. All DLS people will need no more info than his 1st name.
From Plaindriver to Patrick, 10-17-07 0912


"Hello, Patrick
We have never met, but Im a long time DLS supporter. Recently, in Texas, an individual named Scott Berg, claimed to be a standout DB on the Spartan team in the 91-92-93 seasons. Some of the claims he made were way out there. If you can take a moment, and search your memory, and see if this name rings a bell, I would sure appreciate it. I couldnt think of any other source or person to turn to for info. Sorry to bother you.
Thanks, mark (plaindriver)"

From Patrick to Plaindriver, 10-17-07 1033

"So you are the plaindriver! Cool man go Spartans.

As you know I played during those years...That would be my Jr, Sr, and then I was gone for 93. Scott Berg never played on the 91 or 92 teams and DEFINATELY did not start (if I forgot him being on the team but I seriously doubt that.)

Hope this helps and Go Spartans...looks like The Sparty's are back in a big way. "


Then, from me to Patrick, 10-17-07 1052

"Thank a bunch! I am surprised and honored that you even replied.

The inquiry stems from a Texas board poster who spun a detailed yarn about a young Nebraska 8th grader who Lad stumbled upon playing in a pick up game. Lad offers the kid ("Scott Berg") a full ride, etc. etc. We are having fun with him on the Spartanhood board!
Thanx for taking the time to supply concrete info!
Regards, mark"

And Patrick's final response 10-17-07 1119

"0% chance he played on my team."

I would say that Patrick's mathematical assessment of old 'Scotty' playing at DLS are approximately equal to the quantity of validity to your story.

All along, your best evidence has been: "I know its true. I have additional info. I believe the guy. Its absolutely true. Why would he lie?" You aint gonna win many convictions with that logic, Daddy. How bout some cold hard facts?
************************************************** ****

Actually, I can think of a reason that he would lie: His beloved SLC Dragons lost a home game to a Miami team, lost their streak, and sense of invincibility. He is miserable over the loss, and since misery loves company, he spins a yard about the most successful program of the past 25 yrs or so, (the program that he is secretly jealous of), in hopes of getting more people into his misery camp. IMHO

For the record, you embellished facts a TON in your emails to the team captain.

1. Nobody said this guy was a "standout DB".
2. Nobody posted the exact years he played.
3. Nobody said he was offered a "full ride".
4. Nobody posted he was an 8th grader (some guessed or raised the possibility) when he met Lad.

YOU made all of that up yourself.

Also, you posted that you checked EVERY soph, JV and varsity roster from 1986 through 2007. I doubt that happened and I've not seen any evidence whatsoever that you did it.

YOU are the one making stuff up. Not me.

The facts I posted are true!

[pied]

WRONG

The entire issue is about daditis, poster boy for texas high school football fans

just pointing out a president was murdered in texas and then the accused assassin was murdered while in texas authority hands

has as much relevance

SLCDad is to Texas HS fans

as

consumerman is to California HS fans

at least that is what DLS fans think of you

[Plaindriver]

Curious can someone publish these rosters on Spartanhood? I know someone posted a Word doc.

Hi Pied, I am actually working on that now.

I sure as helll hope that Daddy doesnt mysteriously change the name of his star 'witness', after I go to all this hassle. Hey, maybe Daddy will confirm the witnesses name as accurate before I post the rosters, ya think?

And youre correct, re the steroids. They seem to have been born in the Frisco area. But, I doubt there is much love for Bonds in the City. (I aint sure, as I live in SoCal, 400 mi. so of Frisco.) BTW, DLS is about a 2 hr drive from SanFran.

[SLCDad]

Actually, I can think of a reason that he would lie: His beloved SLC Dragons lost a home game to a Miami team, lost their streak, and sense of invincibility. He is miserable over the loss

I have told you guys this from Day 1

Yes, you fabricated this excuse from Day 1. LOL

Give me a break.

[Plaindriver]

Hey Dad, will you confirm the that name of your star witness from Nebraska, posted prominently all over this thread, is indeed the correct name, BEFORE I go to the trouble of posting the rosters? And will you stipulate to the rosters from 90-95 as being sufficient evidence to adjudicate this case?

We all want to get to the bottom of this. And Im sure you want to be vindicated as well. I may owe you a huge apology, and you can bet it will be forthcoming if I am wrong.

I just hope you are not gonna have this attitude: "Dont confuse me with facts or logic. My mind is already made up."

[pied]

For the record, you embellished facts a TON in your emails to the team captain.

1. Nobody said this guy was a "standout DB".-He was an outstanding young player from Nebraska
2. Nobody posted the exact years he played.-he played for DLS in the early/mid-90s
3. Nobody said he was offered a "full ride".-Coach Lad invited him to come and play football for DLS. Again, this guy said that he didn't have the money to pay tuition at DLS nor for room and board at the school. Coach Lad responded that he could arrange for the guy's expenses and tuition to be taken car of.
4. Nobody posted he was an 8th grader (some guessed or raised the possibility) when he met Lad.

[B]YOU made all of that up yourself.

Also, you posted that you checked EVERY soph, JV and varsity roster from 1986 through 2007. I doubt that happened and I've not seen any evidence whatsoever that you did it.

YOU are the one making stuff up. Not me.

The facts I posted are true!


Actual statements in bold. You can determine the amount of embellishment. I did not see reference to the guy's grade in your original post.

[Chicago]

I wonder if somewhere in Nebraska some guy in an office is looking at the internet and saying to his coworker:

Dude, remember that idiot from Texas you had dinner with at that conference, and how you told him you played for De LaSalle? Well, you should see what you stirred up. You should have told him you were D.B. Cooper. Instead of Yappi it would be all over Drudge. Sure, you're not that old, but this guy will believe anything. And he will never, ever change his mind, no matter what info he gets later. They could show him a birth certificate showing you weren't even born when D.B. Cooper pulled his stunt, and he'd just say "My story is 100% true." It would have been awesome.

[consumerman]

The facts I posted are true!

Was the fact that he was offered and received free room and board true?

[consumerman]

The facts I posted are true!

was the fact that he played with some guy named tumar during the streak years true?

[DLSfanNW]

So let me get this straight...Lad offered to find room and board for this kid, violate everything the school stands for, put the school in danger of sanctions and he WAS NOT EVEN A STANDOUT PLAYER?

hmmmmm.....

[consumerman]

The facts I posted are true!

does it not concern you that you named this person by name, and no documentation of this name has not only not shown up on any football roster, but in school attendance as well

this is a farce, a fabrication and a poor attempt to deflect attention away from SLC's MISERABLE showing in their first chance to prove themselves on a national stage

saddest thing I have ever witnessed

[consumerman]

The facts I posted are true!

Was the fact that he was offered and received free room and board true?

hmmm think you already changed your answer on this one

[consumerman]

The facts I posted are true!

was the fact that he played with some guy named tumar during the streak years true?

hmmm think you already changed your answer on this one

[consumerman]

if all the facts you posted are true, why do you have to keep changing them every time you get challenged

daditis = clemens = bullheaded stubborn foolish liars

[SLCDad]

Hey Dad, will you confirm the that name of your star witness from Nebraska, posted prominently all over this thread, is indeed the correct name, BEFORE I go to the trouble of posting the rosters? And will you stipulate to the rosters from 90-95 as being sufficient evidence to adjudicate this case?

We all want to get to the bottom of this. And Im sure you want to be vindicated as well. I may owe you a huge apology, and you can bet it will be forthcoming if I am wrong.

I just hope you are not gonna have this attitude: "Dont confuse me with facts or logic. My mind is already made up."

I have already posted everything that I'm willing to share. I'm being sincere, when I say I have no more to say than what has been posted already.

Yeah, I do have more information about 1) things that happened at DLS AND 2) information that makes me confident the events are true. However, out of privacy issues, I'm not willing to post any more.

Regarding the years, I don't know which years he was there other than he said he was there during the streak and that his path crossed with Toomer. Honestly, I don't know any more details than that. (Which is EXACTLY what I've posted all along.)

Regarding the name, I don't think anybody's name should be posted on a message borad. I made that mistake once (but quickly corrected it) and I don't intend to make that mistake again.

[SLCDad]

if all the facts you posted are true, why do you have to keep changing them every time you get challenged

daditis = clemens = bullheaded stubborn foolish liars

No facts have been changed. None.

[SLCDad]

So let me get this straight...Lad offered to find room and board for this kid, violate everything the school stands for, put the school in danger of sanctions and he WAS NOT EVEN A STANDOUT PLAYER?

hmmmmm.....

There was no violation and nobody said there was. He boarded with his family (uncle and aunt I believe).

You guys keep adding stuff to the events that didn't happen.

[consumerman]

No facts have been changed. None.

Quoted from SLC Dad just a day ago.....................

"I was told that arrangements were made for him to board. As it turns out, it was with his family in the Concord area."

This is not equate to NO FACTS HAVE BEEN CHANGED

PS you did not say arrangements were made for him, YOU SAID COACH LAD OFFERED HIM FREE ROOM AND BOARD

you are a compulsive liar

[SLCDad]

hmmm think you already changed your answer on this one

Please get a clue. This was resolved back in October.

[consumerman]

I think a suspension of 3 months or permanent banishment from this site is just in this circle of lies

[SLCDad]

Quoted from SLC Dad just a day ago.....................

"I was told that arrangements were made for him to board. As it turns out, it was with his family in the Concord area."

This is not equate to NO FACTS HAVE BEEN CHANGED

PS you did not say arrangements were made for him, YOU SAID COACH LAD OFFERED HIM FREE ROOM AND BOARD

you are a compulsive liar

You keep making stuff up. Nobody posted that. LOL

Please provide the links! You can't because you made it up.

[consumerman]

You keep making stuff up. Nobody posted that. LOL

Please provide the links! You can't because you made it up.

that was a direct quote from an earlier post of yours

you may have seen how foolish you looked and gone back and edited it but it was a direct quote from one o your responses

you have edited posts 49, 51, 53, 59 and 73, my best guestimate is post 73

[consumerman]

Please get a clue. This was resolved back in October.

so you admit the FACTS you presented were changed in October????????????????????????????????????

[Chicago]

http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/freedomline/current/in_our_opinion/baghdad_bob.htm

I guess Bob still has internet access.

[Plaindriver]

For the record, you embellished facts a TON in your emails to the team captain.

1. Nobody said this guy was a "standout DB".
2. Nobody posted the exact years he played.
3. Nobody said he was offered a "full ride".
4. Nobody posted he was an 8th grader (some guessed or raised the possibility) when he met Lad.

YOU made all of that up yourself.

Also, you posted that you checked EVERY soph, JV and varsity roster from 1986 through 2007. I doubt that happened and I've not seen any evidence whatsoever that you did it.

YOU are the one making stuff up. Not me.

The facts I posted are true!
************************************************** *****
First off, lets look at your original post from early October, the birth of this whole story, if you will.
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee32/plaindriver/SLCDadNebraskaStory.jpg

Lets look at my "embellishments" shall we? Every time you say "Nobody posted. . ." we are gonna assume that "Nobody" and "SLCDad" are the same person.
1. "Nobody said he was a standout DB"
Daddy, you said he was a DB, not a standout DB, but you did claim he was a DB. I made the huge stretch and added standout. I admit that. I made that leap based on your characterization that "He was an outstanding young player from Nebraska." You also say "This young man played for DLS for several years in the midst of the streak." Those are your quotes. I surmised that he must be a standout to play "several yrs" on the team. I also surmised that 1 yr is ONE, that two is a couple, so 'several' must be 3 or more. I made the leap that a 3 yr player (I assumed varsity) must have been a standout. Sophs rarely make the V unless they are gonna start. I made even a bigger leap, figuring that this kid must be a standout since Lad was willing to risk his whole career on getting caught in the recruiting business.

2. Nobody posted the exact years he played.
True, you didnt mention the exact yrs by number. You did say he 'played with Tumer" and that he played during the early yrs of the streak. Toomer's last yr was 91. The streak started in 92. Since a HS career is generally 4 yrs, mathematically this would seem to indicate that his football yrs would have to be between 91-94 seasons. To play with Toomer, and be on a streak team, then two of the yrs would HAVE to be the 91 and 92 seasons, correct??

3. Nobody said he was offered a "full ride".
Here are YOUR words from the original story:
"During the camp, Coach Lad invited him to come and play football for DLS. Again, this guy said that he didn't have the money to pay tuition at DLS nor for room and board at the school. Coach Lad responded that he could arrange for this guy's expenses and tuition to be taken care of." For cryin out loud, Daddy, exactly how do you define full ride for a HS boy, then?

4. Nobody posted he was an 8th grader (some guessed or raised the possibility) when he met Lad.
Yes, I made another leap. It seemed reasonable that a HS coach wouldnt offer a 3rd or 4th grader. I surmised that he would only be interested in an 8th grader. Seemed like a reasonable leap.

And I did ck the rosters from the early yrs. They are in storage at my home in Georgia. At my Calif place, I have 98 thru 07. I checked the older rosters when in Ga. last yr. Nevertheless, I am making arrangements to have those rosters forwarded so they can be posted here.

YOU made all of that up yourself.
YOU are the one making stuff up. Not me.

OK, I have admitted to my embellishments, and the thought process involved in reaching those conclusions. Your turn.

[Plaindriver]

You keep making stuff up. Nobody posted that. LOL

Please provide the links! You can't because you made it up.

You want links? I'll give you links! Check out your original story:
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee32/plaindriver/SLCDadNebraskaStory.jpg

You directly accuse Cm of making stuff up. Look at the following excerpt from the latter part of YOUR second paragraph:

"During the camp, Coach Lad invited him to come and play football for DLS. Again, this guy said that he didn't have the money to pay tuition at DLS nor for room and board at the school. Coach Lad responded that he could arrange for this guy's expenses and tuition to be taken care of."

This is what probably influenced what CM. Helll, Daddy, what else could he gather from your insightful offering.

[SLCDad]

************************************************** *****
First off, lets look at your original post from early October, the birth of this whole story, if you will.
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee32/plaindriver/SLCDadNebraskaStory.jpg

Lets look at my "embellishments" shall we? Every time you say "Nobody posted. . ." we are gonna assume that "Nobody" and "SLCDad" are the same person.
1. "Nobody said he was a standout DB"
Daddy, you said he was a DB, not a standout DB, but you did claim he was a DB. I made the huge stretch and added standout. I admit that. I made that leap based on your characterization that "He was an outstanding young player from Nebraska." You also say "This young man played for DLS for several years in the midst of the streak." Those are your quotes. I surmised that he must be a standout to play "several yrs" on the team. I also surmised that 1 yr is ONE, that two is a couple, so 'several' must be 3 or more. I made the leap that a 3 yr player (I assumed varsity) must have been a standout. Sophs rarely make the V unless they are gonna start. I made even a bigger leap, figuring that this kid must be a standout since Lad was willing to risk his whole career on getting caught in the recruiting business.

Yes. YOU made the leap. He was a standout which is why he was offered. Do you really expect a poor player to be offered? I don't know about his success at DLS (starter or standout or sub) after he joined the program.

2. Nobody posted the exact years he played.
True, you didnt mention the exact yrs by number. You did say he 'played with Tumer" and that he played during the early yrs of the streak. Toomer's last yr was 91. The streak started in 92. Since a HS career is generally 4 yrs, mathematically this would seem to indicate that his football yrs would have to be between 91-94 seasons. To play with Toomer, and be on a streak team, then two of the yrs would HAVE to be the 91 and 92 seasons, correct??

You and I both know what was posted. I don't know the years he played other than he was there during the streak and crossed paths with Toomer. I can't add "assumptions" or "facts" if I don't know them.

3. Nobody said he was offered a "full ride".
Here are YOUR words from the original story:
"During the camp, Coach Lad invited him to come and play football for DLS. Again, this guy said that he didn't have the money to pay tuition at DLS nor for room and board at the school. Coach Lad responded that he could arrange for this guy's expenses and tuition to be taken care of." For cryin out loud, Daddy, exactly how do you define full ride for a HS boy, then?

YOU are filling in the blanks not me. YOU are making asusmptions that are logical but not necessarily true. Regarding room and board, after more investigation it was posted back on October that arrangements were made for him to stay with relatives. YOU'VE made the mistake of posting ONLY the first post. Information and clarifications were added after that.

It's clear that YOU don't remember all of the posts. I don't remember all of the posts either, however, I don't have to remember every post because I know the truth. I know I've been consistent and I know the facts so I just keep repeating them over and over again with NO reference to any of the previous posts. Having the truth (which I have) makes it easy.
4. Nobody posted he was an 8th grader (some guessed or raised the possibility) when he met Lad.

Yes, I made another leap. It seemed reasonable that a HS coach wouldnt offer a 3rd or 4th grader. I surmised that he would only be interested in an 8th grader. Seemed like a reasonable leap.

I agree an 8th grader seems logical but I don't know how old he was so I can't say for sure. You DID make the leap that he was a standout at DLS (which he may have been) but the post said he was a standout player from Nebraska (probably as an 8th grader.

And I did ck the rosters from the early yrs. They are in storage at my home in Georgia. At my Calif place, I have 98 thru 07. I checked the older rosters when in Ga. last yr. Nevertheless, I am making arrangements to have those rosters forwarded so they can be posted here.

YOU made all of that up yourself.
YOU are the one making stuff up. Not me.

OK, I have admitted to my embellishments, and the thought process involved in reaching those conclusions. Your turn.

I agree that your embellishments are logical. However, I can't confirm that they are true. I CAN ONLY POST THE TRUTH AS BEST I KNOW IT. You make assumptions at your own risk.

By the way, it appears you "misspoke" about checking all of the rosters. Correct? You didn't do it.

Frankly, I'm astonished that you are going to this much trouble regarding some obscure posts that have all been deleted and were only up for a couple of days at most.

This story was dead to me long ago. Frankly, I don't care. It's the DLS faithful who keep brining it up over and over again. However, I stand by the facts that I posted.

[DLSfanNW]

Dad,

For the love of Football PLEASE admit that you were duped and apologise to the entire Yappi/Spartanhood/DLS community for making such an a#@ out of yourself.

Maybe this will all just go away.

You sound like the kid who was (not) recruited by Cal/Oregon a few weeks ago. "I just wanted it to be true soooo bad"

[Chicago]

He does not have to apologize to me.

I am glad he made (more of) an a__ of himself.

I wouldn't have it any other way.

[SLCDad]

Dad,

For the love of Football PLEASE admit that you were duped and apologise to the entire Yappi/Spartanhood/DLS community for making such an a#@ out of yourself.

Maybe this will all just go away.

You sound like the kid who was (not) recruited by Cal/Oregon a few weeks ago. "I just wanted it to be true soooo bad"

The problem with your suggestion is that the events about this guy at DLS are TRUE. I've done my best to stick to the facts (and only the facts).

Unfortunately, the DLS faithful have added all kids of stuff that wasn't there and may or may not be true.

It's the DLS folks who keep bringing this up over and over again. Not me.

[Plaindriver]

I agree that your embellishments are logical. However, I can't confirm that they are true. I CAN ONLY POST THE TRUTH AS BEST I KNOW IT. You make assumptions at your own risk.

By the way, it appears you "misspoke" about checking all of the rosters. Correct? You didn't do it.

Frankly, I'm astonished that you are going to this much trouble regarding some obscure posts that have all been deleted and were only up for a couple of days at most.

This story was dead to me long ago. Frankly, I don't care. It's the DLS faithful who keep brining it up over and over again. However, I stand by the facts that I posted.
I did ck the rosters, last fall. I am trying to get those rosters posted very soon.
Hypothetically, lets just say that your star witnesses name is not on any of the rosters. What would then be your take on all this?

This story was dead to me long ago. Frankly, I don't care. It's the DLS faithful who keep brining it up over and over again. However, I stand by the facts that I posted.[/QUOTE]

I keep pounding this because you keep insisting it is true. I cant let that go unchallenged. We have a difference and it needs to be resolved. Ongoing quotes from you re this matter mandate getting to the bottom of all this. An example from post #85 of this very thread, your quote:
"The amusing thing about this debate is that the events regarding this guy are true. They happened."
And, you add fuel to the fire with your quotes in post #'s 87, 111, 115.

[SLCDad]

Having the truth is powerful.

I don't have to refer to any of the previous posts (even if I could). I just consistently speak the truth without ANY reference to any previous posts.

Many have gone over the posts word by word and NOTHING has been shown to be inconsistent.

Errors have been made by other posters who embellished the story and attempted to fill in the blanks with their own interpretation.

I wish Plaindriver would give us links to ALL of the posts not just the first one. Additional information was provided AFTER the first post.

[SLCDad]

I keep pounding this because you keep insisting it is true. I cant let that go unchallenged. We have a difference and it needs to be resolved. Ongoing quotes from you re this matter mandate getting to the bottom of all this. An example from post #83 of this very thread, your quote:
"The amusing thing about this debate is that the events regarding this guy are true. They happened."
And, you add fuel to the fire with your quotes in post #'s 85, 87, 111, 115.

Go back and read ALL of the posts. You are only reading the posts you want to read.

I was silent MANY times when the DLS folks kept referring to this story over and over and over again. Finally . . . after many posts I responded.

[Plaindriver]

Having the truth is powerful.

I don't have to refer to any of the previous posts (even if I could). I just consistently speak the truth without ANY reference to any previous posts.

Many have gone over the posts word by word and NOTHING has been shown to be inconsistent.

Here is a quickie: First you intimate that Lad provided room and board. Later on you say that the player lived with his fam in Concord. Is that not inconsistent?

Errors have been made by other posters who embellished the story and attempted to fill in the blanks with their own interpretation.

I wish Plaindriver would give us links to ALL of the posts not just the first one. Additional information was provided AFTER the first post.
You destroy all your posts, then wonder why I dont post the links? Huh?
I would, but YOU conveniently DELETED all your posts re this matter on the Spartanhood board. All the response posts are still there for all to see.

And you keep saying that you have learned significant additional info since you initially posted the orig story. Out with it already! We are big boys. We can take it. If it is true. You can be sure it will be scrutinized, though.

[Plaindriver]

Go back and read ALL of the posts. You are only reading the posts you want to read.

I was silent MANY times when the DLS folks kept referring to this story over and over and over again. Finally . . . after many posts I responded.

And your point is? The posts I highlighted are YOUR posts. Specifically where you keep reiterating that the stories are factual, and that you have significant additional information. Why dont you post THAT?

[SLCDad]

[/COLOR]
You destroy all your posts, then wonder why I dont post the links? Huh?
I would, but YOU conveniently DELETED all your posts re this matter on the Spartanhood board. All the response posts are still there for all to see.

And you keep saying that you have learned significant additional info since you initially posted the orig story. Out with it already! We are big boys. We can take it. If it is true. You can be sure it will be scrutinized, though.

LOL You kept an image of the first one. I'll make logical leap (like you've done several times) and assume you have them all.

By the way, BOTH of the questions you ask have already been answered on this thread.

[SLCDad]

And your point is? The posts I highlighted are YOUR posts. Specifically where you keep reiterating that the stories are factual, and that you have significant additional information. Why dont you post THAT?

The point is that I responded only after DLS folks brought up this guy over and over and over again.

Go back and read post #39. That's the start.

I suppose its perfectly OK for DLS folks to keep bringing this up over and over again but not OK for me to respond. Is that it?

[Chicago]

Actually, post 38 was the start.

[Plaindriver]

LOL You kept an image of the first one. I'll make logical leap (like you've done several times) and assume you have them all.

By the way, BOTH of the questions you ask have already been answered on this thread.

What two ques have already been ans? How about giving me an ans to my question in #127?
Here it again for you:
Hypothetically, lets just say that your star witnesses name is not on any of the rosters. What would then be your take on all this?

Oh, yeah, my second question:
Will you please post all the purported additional information that you have gleamed since your original post back in October?

[SLCDad]

Actually, post 38 was the start.

Nope, it wasn't. That post was the last of MANY.

[pied]

LOL You kept an image of the first one. I'll make logical leap (like you've done several times) and assume you have them all.

By the way, BOTH of the questions you ask have already been answered on this thread.

It was not PD that imaged the post, another did so many moons ago.

[Chicago]

No, 38 was the first. I mentioned you and your Nebraska/DLS story (hijacked the thread, I believe they call it).

You replied 10 minutes later with 39.

You could have said "Yes, it was 38. Whatever."

But your delusions will not let you do that. And I knew that. Which is why I corrected you.

[SLCDad]

Here is a quickie: First you intimate that Lad provided room and board. Later on you say that the player lived with his fam in Concord. Is that not inconsistent?

It's only inconsistent to you.

I never said Lad provided room and board (I said tuition and expenses because that's all I know). To be honest I also assumed it was room and board but since I didn't know for sure I didn't post it.

You made a leap which later got clarified but you accuse me of being inconsistent?

Is that all you have?

Why don't you mention the several facts that I had ZERO first hand knowledge about which were shown to be true????

[Chicago]

Yeah, Plaindriver. All you have is proof that SLCDad is lying?

That's it? Don't make me laugh.

[SLCDad]

No, 38 was the first. I mentioned you and your Nebraska/DLS story (hijacked the thread, I believe they call it).

You replied 10 minutes later with 39.

You could have said "Yes, it was 38. Whatever."

But your delusions will not let you do that. And I knew that. Which is why I corrected you.

Not really. You overlook the many posts by DLS posters about this guy. I was silent for many of them. I finally responded to your post (#38) but it was one of many, not the first.

Since YOU have posted twice regarding post #38 in FIVE minutes it appears you are not capable of saying "whatever" either.

[Chicago]

I'm just trying to answer before the therapist asks you to close the laptop and come into his office.

[consumerman]

It's only inconsistent to you.

I never said Lad provided room and board (I said tuition and expenses because that's all I know). To be honest I also assumed it was room and board but since I didn't know for sure I didn't post it.

You made a leap which later got clarified but you accuse me of being inconsistent?

Is that all you have?

Why don't you mention the several facts that I had ZERO first hand knowledge about which were shown to be true????


you are worng

it is inconsistent to almost anyone who reads your crap

You said Coach Lad offered free room and board

Now you retracted and said it was with his family in the Concord area

that is poster child 101 for inconsistency

[Plaindriver]

The point is that I responded only after DLS folks brought up this guy over and over and over again.

Go back and read post #39. That's the start.

I suppose its perfectly OK for DLS folks to keep bringing this up over and over again but not OK for me to respond. Is that it?

We all want you to respond. You cant logically expect to make posts like yours in #49:
"I was tempted to post even more information but I decided against it. Like I said, I dropped it long ago. Frankly, I don't care if EVERYONE ELSE keeps bringing it up because it's the truth. 100% absolute truth. No doubt about it."
and not have any people respond to it! Its OK, fine and dandy for you to post all you have on the subject. And you gotta expect your postings to be scrutinized. Otherwise, you shouldnt have originally tried to cast a dark shadow over a storied program.

Here is my analogy of what you are doing:
Me: "I can bench press a car!"
CM: "Wow, can I see you do it?"
Me: " I saw me do it, thats enough for me. Its true. I did it."
CM; "Why wont you do it again, so we can see you do it? I have never seen anything like that before. That is an amazing claim."
Me: "I already did it. I dont need to it again. I know I did it. I know its true."
Chicago: "Was it a 'Hot-Wheels' car?
Me: "No it was a regular car, wise guy. Why the personal attacks? I may call the moderator on you."
Chicago: "A real car?"
Me: "Yes, and it was red!"
Chicago: "Wow, thats hard to fathom. Was this recently?"
Me: "Geeze, we have been all over this many times. Go back and ck the earlier posts. It happened and I know its true."
Elwood: "Well, about how long ago?"
Me: "In not exactly certain, exactly, but I think either Bush or Clinton was prez at the time.
Elwood: "Excellent!. That narrows it down to about a 20 yr span. And you have said your close to 30 now. Care to be more specific?"
Me: "I already given you guys all the info. I dont need to repeat myself. You dont have to believe it, but I am sticking by my original claims. Not one of you can prove it false. AND, I was tempted to post about the truck that I also bench pressed, but decided not to. That would have really blown you guys away because it was a big one!"

Daddy, this little analogy was invented to help you understand how silly your claims appear. You have the ability (or claim you have) to make this all go away. Nobody can understand why you dont exercise that power. Why would you allow posters to ridicule and make fun of you, when you claim to have the ability and knowledge to put the whole story to rest? If your story is true, it will withstand the ensuing scrutiny. You make it sound like you are a martyr, taking one on the chin in order to save DLS's asss. We all know that aint true, or you would have never posted the orig story. You have a lot of explaining to do, or your cred will be ruined and a reference to this story will dog you for a long time, regardless of the topic that you are posting about.
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[consumerman]

Why don't you mention the several facts that I had ZERO first hand knowledge about which were shown to be true????

you had zero knowledge DLS had a streak?

oh ya I forgot high school football history started in 2004 for you

you had zero knowledge DLS had a player named Tumor wwho played during the streak


yes that is true as it did not happen

oh then you changed it to knew Toomer or was on Frosh soph

more changes

more inconsistincies

ALL LIES

[Chicago]

He did mention that Ladouceur was the coach.

If the guy from Nebraska hadn't told him he would have had no way of knowing that.

Tell us the cross country story again. About how if there were a national team title SLC would have won it, except there was, and SLC didn't win it, except you meant the meet that didn't have a team title and not the meet that did have a team title, except if the meet that didn't have a team title had had a team title no one knows how it would have been scored, except if it had been scored the way you say it would have been scored....

I forget the rest.

[pied]

Here's my analogy.

"I ran into a guy who said that Dodge saw him playing a pick up game and asked him to go to a camp. He couldn't afford it and Dodge agreed to comp it. After that he asked if he wanted to play for the Dragons but the kid said he didn't live nearby. Dodge arranged a job for his pops and bingo. Guy said this was common in SL."

How much credit would you give this story, if the name provided could not be validated in any roster nor players fromt that time frame knew who he was?

[consumerman]

this is my take

chance that dad met this guy in nebraska who was recruited by coach lad and offfered free room and board - 0%

chance that dad met a guy in nebraska and dad fabricated the dls part of the story - 15%

chance that dad never met any such guy and fabricated the entire story - 85%

chance that dad cant cope with slc's downfall out of elite football teams this year - 100000000000%

[SLCDad]

FACT:
YOU, Daddy, removed all your original posts from the Spartanhood board last wk right after I made reference to it on this board. For some reason, you didnt want any more posters here to see how you had attempted to defend your story previously.

You keep making assumptions that are false. You've done it many times.

I deleted the Spartanhood posts back in October. You'll find a post on that board dated Oct 19th asking about the deleted posts.

You'll also find a post saying SLCDad did the honorable thing by not revealing the name. That same poster questions the bad actions of the DLS posters. THAT is why I deleted the posts.

You can also find your post which besically lies about when the posts were deleted.

I've been 100% consistent.

Shall we add these two items to the long list of examples that show I speak the truth?

[Plaindriver]

[QUOTE=SLCDad;2950988]It's only inconsistent to you.

I never said Lad provided room and board (I said tuition and expenses because that's all I know). To be honest I also assumed it was room and board but since I didn't know for sure I didn't post it.

"During the camp, Coach Lad invited him to come and play football for DLS. Again, this guy said that he didn't have the money to pay tuition at DLS nor for room and board at the school. Coach Lad responded that he could arrange for this guy's expenses and tuition to be taken care of."
Care to elaborate on this one, Daddy? You are great at spinning! Ever thought of applying for work with a female senator with fat ankles? She could well use your imagination about now.

[DLSfanNW]

Denial is apparently a river in Texas....

[SLCDad]

[QUOTE=SLCDad;2950988]It's only inconsistent to you.

I never said Lad provided room and board (I said tuition and expenses because that's all I know). To be honest I also assumed it was room and board but since I didn't know for sure I didn't post it.

"During the camp, Coach Lad invited him to come and play football for DLS. Again, this guy said that he didn't have the money to pay tuition at DLS nor for room and board at the school. Coach Lad responded that he could arrange for this guy's expenses and tuition to be taken care of."

You've already asked about this and it's been answered.

[DLSfanNW]

Lets just say that I heard that SLCDad planted a camera in the girls locker room.

http://cbs11tv.com/local/Hidden.camera.southlake.2.507326.html

If I post something like that I had better have proof and be prepared to back it up.

Just because I heard it was him does not make it true...that is hearsay and people get sued for stuff like that.

BTW I did not hear it that. Wouldn't surprise me though.

[Chicago]

It's Texas.

No one is going to plant a camera in the girls' locker room.

It would be in the football offices.

[Plaindriver]

[QUOTE=SLCDad;2951148]You keep making assumptions that are false. You've done it many times.
Here is my most basic assumption: DLS HAS NEVER HAD A PLAYER BY THE NAME OF "SCOTT BERG". And all my other assumptions stem from this one.

I deleted the Spartanhood posts back in October. You'll find a post on that board dated Oct 19th asking about the deleted posts.
Oh, Daddy. On Feb 8th, I made mention of the original thread on the Hood board. On Feb 8, you also visit the hood board. First time in a long time. Then, all of your posts are mysteriously erased. And if, per chance, you deleted them prior to Feb 8, how important is the actual date of retracting to the meat of the story. Thats like OJ basing his whole case on where the bloody glove was found.

You'll also find a post saying SLCDad did the honorable thing by not revealing the name. That same poster questions the bad actions of the DLS posters. THAT is why I deleted the posts. You deleted because you started to realize what a fool you looked like. IMHO
Yes, there are some on the Hood board that eventually ended up feeling sorry for you, because you made such an asss out of yourself.

You can also find your post which besically lies about when the posts were deleted.

I've been 100% consistent.
This is true. You have been consistently evasive. Now you try to shift the focus to when you deleted posts on the Hood board. Fact is that you DID delete them. Someone interested in the truth doesnt need to delete anything.

Shall we add these two items to the long list of examples that show I speak the truth?
Yes, thats a great idea. And can you tell me exactly where I can see this "LIST" that you refer to, in its entirety?

[Plaindriver]

[QUOTE=Plaindriver;2951163]

You've already asked about this and it's been answered.

So, can you provide the link as to where this one was already answered?

First, you say that Lad did offer room/board and tuition. Then later, after you realize that DLS isnt a boarding school, you say Lad offered only tuition, and you know nothing of room and board. Then, you allow as how the Nebraska kid moved in with his family, in Concord! Ive just pointed out this little inconsistency, plain as day.
So, does this mean that your self appointed streak of being 100% consistent could be in jeopardy? Or do you maintain that you are STILL 100% consistent, because the fam that (beam me up) Scotty moved in with might not have been family at the exact time that Lad actually offered him the scholarship, which aint really a schollie, its only room/board and tuition, but not really room and board, cause I dont know about that. The Concord family coulda just married into the Nebraska family somewhere between the boys 8th grade and 9th grade, oh, I never mentioned Lad originally saw him in the pick-up while he was an 8th grader either. Coulda be a 7th grader. Or maybe he was held back. Or maybe he skipped a grade.
Daddy, you are so confusing. The truth is never confusing. Why dont you just clear this whole thing up. It may be your last chance to rescue any cred at all.

[Plaindriver]

Lets just say that I heard that SLCDad planted a camera in the girls locker room.

http://cbs11tv.com/local/Hidden.camera.southlake.2.507326.html

If I post something like that I had better have proof and be prepared to back it up.

Just because I heard it was him does not make it true...that is hearsay and people get sued for stuff like that.

BTW I did not hear it that. Wouldn't surprise me though.

No doubt, It was the Phantom of the Opera! He was really there recently. Who else could possibly be that sneaky?

[SLCDad]

[QUOTE=Plaindriver;2951213]

First, you say that Lad did offer room/board and tuition. Then later, after you realize that DLS isnt a boarding school, you say Lad offered only tuition, and you know nothing of room and board.

There you go again! I never posted what you say I posted. I never said Lad offered room and board. Haven't we already been over this?

Then, you allow as how the Nebraska kid moved in with his family, in Concord! Ive just pointed out this little inconsistency, plain as day.

Having a hard time keeping up?

Don't forget, I have the truth on my side. There is no inconsistency.

This guy was visiting his family in the Concord area when he was invited to join the summer camp in the first place. After he enrolled at DLS he lived with the same family members. I believe it was his uncle and aunt.


I've already explained this at least twice, probably more.

[Plaindriver]

[QUOTE=Plaindriver;2951282]

I've already explained this at least twice, probably more.

Daddy, lets reexamine the this. There is what you wrote back in October, verbatim:

"During the camp, Coach Lad invited him to come and play football for DLS. Again, this guy said that he didn't have the money to pay tuition at DLS nor for room and board at the school. Coach Lad responded that he could arrange for this guy's expenses and tuition to be taken care of."

As a result, here is what I wrote:
First, you say that Lad did offer room/board and tuition. Then later, after you realize that DLS isnt a boarding school, you say Lad offered only tuition, and you know nothing of room and board.

Then you write this:
"There you go again! I never posted what you say I posted. I never said Lad offered room and board. Haven't we already been over this?"

We have been over this a lot, its just that you avoid the truth when it is laid out in front of you, then act insulted that your non answers were not accepted.

[SLCDad]

[QUOTE=SLCDad;2951490]

Daddy, lets reexamine the this. There is what you wrote back in October, verbatim:

"During the camp, Coach Lad invited him to come and play football for DLS. Again, this guy said that he didn't have the money to pay tuition at DLS nor for room and board at the school. Coach Lad responded that he could arrange for this guy's expenses and tuition to be taken care of."

As a result, here is what I wrote:
First, you say that Lad did offer room/board and tuition. Then later, after you realize that DLS isnt a boarding school, you say Lad offered only tuition, and you know nothing of room and board.

Then you write this:
"There you go again! I never posted what you say I posted. I never said Lad offered room and board. Haven't we already been over this?"

We have been over this a lot, its just that you avoid the truth when it is laid out in front of you, then act insulted that your non answers were not accepted.

Don't worry, I'm not insulted. Don't forget, I've got the truth on my side.

Perhaps in the future you should ASK what I mean, rather than attempting to TELL me what I mean.

You've put words in my mouth that I never said.
You've lied about things I never did. (maybe unknowingly, maybe not)
You've jumped to conclusions that were wrong. (logical but erroneous conclusions)
If you ask first, I'll be happy to tell you.

[pied]

[QUOTE=Plaindriver;2951548]

Don't worry, I'm not insulted. Don't forget, I've got the truth on my side.

Perhaps in the future you should ASK what I mean, rather than attempting to TELL me what I mean.

You've put words in my mouth that I never said.
You've lied about things I never did. (maybe unknowingly, maybe not)
You've jumped to conclusions that were wrong. (logical but erroneous conclusions)
If you ask first, I'll be happy to tell you.


I'll ask some questions, please correct as necessry.

-You have posted a name of a person who claims Coach Ladoceur made financial arrnagements to play football at DeLaSalle.
-That person claimed to have played with Amani Toomer and was a part of a team during the streak which began in '92.
-That person's name has not been found on football rosters during that time period by DeLaSalle posters.
-That person's name was not recognized by a captain during that time frame as someone who played football with him.

[SLCDad]

In the spirit of full disclosure, I'm asking Uncle Baldy to delete this thread. My guess is that he will wholeheartedly agree.

It's wrong to disclose personal information on any board which is why the original thread was deleted in the first place. I'm not judging Plaindriver because he made the same mistake I made. Nonetheless, he has gone over the line.

[pied]

In the spirit of full disclosure, I'm asking Uncle Baldy to delete this thread. My guess is that he will wholeheartedly agree.

It's wrong to disclose personal information on any board which is why the original thread was deleted in the first place. I'm not judging Plaindriver because he made the same mistake I made. Nonetheless, he has gone over the line.

So I guess when you say:

Perhaps in the future you should ASK what I mean, rather than attempting to TELL me what I mean.

You didn't mean that you would really answer, just hypothetically you would?

[consumerman]

In the spirit of full disclosure, I'm asking Uncle Baldy to delete this thread. My guess is that he will wholeheartedly agree.

It's wrong to disclose personal information on any board which is why the original thread was deleted in the first place. I'm not judging Plaindriver because he made the same mistake I made. Nonetheless, he has gone over the line.


If I was a proven liar I would want it deleted too

Ban this instigating troublemaker who lied, got caught and is now running for cover

[consumerman]

you have never once answered the question......

why is this NAMED person unknown on any DLS roster or team???


answer that one simple question

we know his name
you know his name

no name like that ever appeared in a DLS game

EXPLAIN THIS

[consumerman]

"I STAND BY THE FACTS 100%"

except when I change the answers and questionable facts every other post

the only fact we all know is one crazed depraved Walter Mitty SLC fan went beserk when his team got its --- kicked

[Chicago]

How is it in the spirit of full disclosure to ask UncleBaldy to delete this thread?

Unless you mean that you sent him a PM and are disclosing to everyone that you asked for the thread to be deleted.

Otherwise, deleting the thread seems to be the opposite of full disclosure.

[SLCDad]

You didn't mean that you would really answer, just hypothetically you would?

I'll answer ANY question but I won't go over the line of posting personal information.

[Chicago]

Classic SLCDad.

He'll answer. He won't really address your question. But he'll, you know, respond. Which should, you know, count.

[SLCDad]

you have never once answered the question......

why is this NAMED person unknown on any DLS roster or team???

answer that one simple question

we know his name
you know his name

no name like that ever appeared in a DLS game

EXPLAIN THIS

I can only post what I know to be true. I haven't seen any rosters posted. My guess is that you are jumping to conclusions that have not been validated. Nobody has posted what you claim.

[SLCDad]

Classic SLCDad.

He'll answer. He won't really address your question. But he'll, you know, respond. Which should, you know, count.

Dead wrong. I'll answer EVERY question if I know the answer but I won't disclose personal information. I'll tell you if I don't know the answer.

[SLCDad]

How is it in the spirit of full disclosure to ask UncleBaldy to delete this thread?

Unless you mean that you sent him a PM and are disclosing to everyone that you asked for the thread to be deleted.

Otherwise, deleting the thread seems to be the opposite of full disclosure.

The PM.

[Chicago]

I may have picked SLC over MNW.

I'm not sure, though.

UncleBaldy: If I did, please delete that thread. And if I picked DLS over Canyon Country in 2006, you might as well delete that thread, too.

[SLCDad]

If I was a proven liar I would want it deleted too

Ban this instigating troublemaker who lied, got caught and is now running for cover

I retract NONE of the events that happened at DLS. I've got the truth on my side. I've seen nothing to contradict anything that has been posted. You haven't either.

[Chicago]

I wouldn't retract the events that happened, either.

It's the events that didn't happen that are all the trick.

[elwood]

He does not have to apologize to me.

I am glad he made (more of) an a__ of himself.

I wouldn't have it any other way.
I didn't think it was possible, but you are correct - he's outdone himself. When it comes to making an @zz of yourself, daddy-O has the Greatest Dynasty of the 21st Century. Congratulations!

[consumerman]

you have never once answered the question......

why is this NAMED person unknown on any DLS roster or team???


answer that one simple question

we know his name
you know his name

no name like that ever appeared in a DLS game

EXPLAIN THIS

W A I T I N G

you cant ignore this forever

[Plaindriver]

[QUOTE=Plaindriver;2951548]

Don't worry, I'm not insulted. Don't forget, I've got the truth on my side.

Perhaps in the future you should ASK what I mean, rather than attempting to TELL me what I mean.

You've put words in my mouth that I never said.
You've lied about things I never did. (maybe unknowingly, maybe not)
You've jumped to conclusions that were wrong. (logical but erroneous conclusions)
If you ask first, I'll be happy to tell you.

Daddy, Please examine this excerpt carefully:
"During the camp, Coach Lad invited him to come and play football for DLS. Again, this guy said that he didn't have the money to pay tuition at DLS nor for room and board at the school. Coach Lad responded that he could arrange for this guy's expenses and tuition to be taken care of."

Simple Question, Dad: Was the above excerpt originally written by you, as part of the post you made on the National Yappi board, last fall (2007)?

Simple, Yes or No. Doesnt require a lengthly answer. Lets temporarily dispense with your intentions when the statement was made. Just a yes or no, please. You said you would answer any question, so do start with this one. Yes or No?

If you need help with your memory, here is the link to your original story:
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee32/plaindriver/SLCDadNebraskaStory.jpg

[consumerman]

I am glad someone saved this shameful lies (original slc dad post)

he cant deny what he said

[Plaindriver]

I retract NONE of the events that happened at DLS. I've got the truth on my side. I've seen nothing to contradict anything that has been posted. You haven't either.

How about the email exchange from the '91 and '92 DLS team captain, where he says "zero chance he played on my team." Its in post #164 of this thread, in case you need to jog your rememory.

Can you say BUSTED?

[Plaindriver]

W A I T I N G

you cant ignore this forever

Mr. Consumerman, sir,
I already answered that. We have been over this numerous times. How many times do I hafta ans the same silly ques? I stand by what I said. I have been 100% consistent. Everything I posted is absolutely true. It all happened exactly as I have detailed it. Why would I lie? I have nothing to gain by fabricating a story about DLS. Forget that DLS went undefeated again, and SLC got their knee skinned "several" times. I mean, just cause the Dragons streak never made it to one third of the Spartans streak, why would I care? Surely you dont think me a SLC homer, and that I would just make something up, in order to perhaps tarnish the most scrutinized HS program in the country? I mean, you cant actually think I am jealous of all that DLS has accomplished via great coaching and a terrific work ethic, can you?
Oh, but I just heard something today, and its totally 100% really really true. But please dont tell anyone, because it isnt right to expose these children.
DLS gave 5 players their own SUV's back in 1984, and they provide housing for the needy stud players still to this day. One of their regional recruiting coordinators, Mr Elwood, who is responsible for the Southeastern states, and Europe, is currently talking to those famous 18yr old Russian twins from Berlin. They are between 6-4 and 6-7, they weigh between 240 and 275. Great athletes, each has been clocked at between 4.02 and 4.14 in the 40. One of tem has even been rumored to have bench pressed a car! Elwood is now in the process of having their transcripts doctored, and new birth certs printed so they can enter the school in the fall, as freshmen. They dont speak any English, but thats just a minor inconvenience right now. There are many more stories like this, but I dont want to say bad things about the school.

And one more thing: the reason that Plaindriver is picking on me is because he is the pilot on the schools Gulfstream V recruiting plane, and he doesnt want to loose his cush job, cause as it is, he gets to travel the world over, chauffeuring the coaches and recruiters to exotic destinations, in search of the best HS talent to be found.
Everything I said is totally 100% absolutely factual. I know cause a guy in a bar in Jakarta, Romaina told me so, and he would have no reason to fabricate this story.

[elwood]

I am glad someone saved this shameful lies (original slc dad post)

he cant deny what he said

Perhaps he simply "mis-remembered". Are you from Katy, Texas daddy-O?

[SLCDad]

you have never once answered the question......

why is this NAMED person unknown on any DLS roster or team???


answer that one simple question

we know his name
you know his name

no name like that ever appeared in a DLS game

EXPLAIN THIS

Get a grip conlooneyman.

Nobody has posted the evidence that you say. LOL

Plaindriver said he checked his yearbooks and he asked ONE team captain. That's it.

[SLCDad]

How about the email exchange from the '91 and '92 DLS team captain, where he says "zero chance he played on my team." Its in post #164 of this thread, in case you need to jog your rememory.

Can you say BUSTED?

You have GOT to be kidding!

Nobody posted that this guy played on either the '91 or '92 teams.

[SLCDad]

I am glad someone saved this shameful lies (original slc dad post)

he cant deny what he said

Why would I deny it? I've never retracted anything that I posted. The story about what happened to this guy at DLS is true. No doubt about it.

[Chicago]

The fact that you've never retracted anything you posted is not really a point in your favor as far as judgement is concerned.

[pied]

I'll answer ANY question but I won't go over the line of posting personal information.

I can appreciate that, but I do not see where these questions would corss that line. I'll ask them again.

-You have posted a name of a person who claims Coach Ladoceur made financial arrnagements to play football at DeLaSalle.
-That person claimed to have played with Amani Toomer and was a part of a team during the streak which began in '92.
-That person's name has not been found on football rosters during that time period by DeLaSalle posters.
-That person's name was not recognized by a captain during that time frame as someone who played football with him.

[pied]

Why would I deny it? I've never retracted anything that I posted. The story about what happened to this guy at DLS is true. No doubt about it.

The problem is that there is doubt. In fact there is a lot of doubt.

It centers around the whole name thing...

[SLCDad]

I can appreciate that, but I do not see where these questions would corss that line. I'll ask them again.

So you are asking me now? Last time you asked Plaindriver.

-You have posted a name of a person who claims Coach Ladoceur made financial arrnagements to play football at DeLaSalle. I posted a name but quickly deleted it. I don't know how or who made the financial arrangements and never posted that.
-That person claimed to have played with Amani Toomer and was a part of a team during the streak which began in '92. His path crossed with Toomer's at DLS but I don't know the circumstances nor if they played together. He said he played during the streak.
-That person's name has not been found on football rosters during that time period by DeLaSalle posters. That's not a question I can answer but I haven't seen any rosters posted..
-That person's name was not recognized by a captain during that time frame as someone who played football with him. You can read Plaindriver's post as well as I can. I have nothing more to add except that I don't know if the years correspond or not..

-

[consumerman]

the player simply did not exist

it is a 100% fabrication

[Chicago]

I am sure that other teams have been trying to uncover something about DLS for years, just like teams in virtually ever other rivalry in the country do, from Little League teams checking on ages and residency to NFL teams alleging tampering.

And nothing has ever been found. But then something so obvious, so clearly unethical and outside the rules, is alleged, and so openly (by a guy at dinner talking to people he doesn't even know), and somehow that impropriety has never been alleged by any team that competes with DLS.

Yet it must have happened.

Does that make any sense at all?

It's like saying the Patriots had a cameraman on the field, behind the quarterback, filming the defense on every play, and you know it happened because someone told you. Although somehow no one ever noticed the cameraman running around trying to avoid all the players. But hey, there is no doubt.

[consumerman]

If you read plaindrivers link to the original post it has "an outstanding football player......"

then dad retracts and said "he was never any good", "I never said that, etc."

this guy is in a hole so big his credibility will never recover

no wonder he begged to have the thread pulled

SLC loses big time on a national stage and the guy goes bonkers

[consumerman]

Why would I deny it? I've never retracted anything that I posted. The story about what happened to this guy at DLS is true. No doubt about it.

- the guy is not on any roster
- the guy is unknown
- the team captain never heard of him
- you said room and board and then changed it to tuition and costs

being foolish, naive, stubborn and a trouble making instigator is a bad combination

[Chicago]

Every other case of an accusation like this that I have seen has involved a player who was definitely on the team, and the question was how he got there.

He got paid, he didn't get paid, he used his mom's boss's best friend's address, he used a proper address, etc.

It's never involved someone who wasn't on the team. This is crazy.

[SLCDad]

- you said room and board and then changed it to tuition and costs

Really?

I've changed nothing and retracted nothing.

[consumerman]

"he was an outstanding young player from Nebraksa"

"he mentioned several college stars that he played with at DLS"
- we have only heard Tumar and this has been shattered beyond reason

"there was a lot of recruiting going on at the time"
and your proof is????????????????????????????????/

"many players on the team received t he same treatment that he received"
- name 1 ... you cant even tell us what year he supposedly played

"I have no idea if the story is true"
how does this change, after the name surfaced and no player by that name ever existed, into the facts are 100% true??????????????????//

[consumerman]

Every other case of an accusation like this that I have seen has involved a player who was definitely on the team, and the question was how he got there.

He got paid, he didn't get paid, he used his mom's boss's best friend's address, he used a proper address, etc.

It's never involved someone who wasn't on the team. This is crazy.


crazy yes

idiotic yes

foolish yes

lunacy yes

possibly 1% true NO

[consumerman]

Really?

I've changed nothing and retracted nothing.

why didnt you also quote the guys is not on any roster?

why didnt you quote no one has ever heard of this player?

why didnt you quote the team captain never heard of him?


WHY?????????????????????

[consumerman]

it is one thing to b e a biased homer who roots and vouches for his own school

it is another to make outlandish accusations againt THE NATIONAL team of the century and then not have a single ounce of proof and in fact all questions (other than the guys name which has gone on to disprove any possible truth) have been and remain unanswered

BAN CITY

[pied]

dup

[pied]

Originally Posted by pied
I can appreciate that, but I do not see where these questions would corss that line. I'll ask them again.

So you are asking me now? Last time you asked Plaindriver.

-You have posted a name of a person who claims Coach Ladoceur made financial arrnagements to play football at DeLaSalle. I posted a name but quickly deleted it. I don't know how or who made the financial arrangements and never posted that.
-That person claimed to have played with Amani Toomer and was a part of a team during the streak which began in '92. His path crossed with Toomer's at DLS but I don't know the circumstances nor if they played together. He said he played during the streak.
-That person's name has not been found on football rosters during that time period by DeLaSalle posters. That's not a question I can answer but I haven't seen any rosters posted..
-That person's name was not recognized by a captain during that time frame as someone who played football with him. You can read Plaindriver's post as well as I can. I have nothing more to add except that I don't know if the years correspond or not..

Thanks. The question was to you. I quoted your post but something went screwy. If you look at your post 160 at the top it lists plaindriver, but I think it is clearly your statement. Oh well...

If/when the rosters are published, assuming on Spartanhood, and if the name is not there, is there anything else that might prove the guy's story? It seems that there might be.

[pied]

it is one thing to b e a biased homer who roots and vouches for his own school

it is another to make outlandish accusations againt THE NATIONAL team of the century and then not have a single ounce of proof and in fact all questions (other than the guys name which has gone on to disprove any possible truth) have been and remain unanswered

BAN CITY


Or claim 16 year old kid is a drug user.

[consumerman]

Or claim 16 year old kid is a drug user.

it was a dig at drug king nate newton and you know it

[pied]

it was a dig at drug king nate newton and you know it

I think it was a shot at Nate as well as SLC. You hate them/Dallas it's known. It was what, two weeks ago you were lametning the fact you were not able to see the MNW game because as you put it you:

would have loved to see the spoiled brats and their smirks get bloodied

I'm just suggesting that if anyone is calling for another poster to be banned, it would seem like you have little room to be making this call.

[consumerman]

I think it was a shot at Nate as well as SLC. You hate them/Dallas it's known. It was what, two weeks ago you were lametning the fact you were not able to see the MNW game because as you put it you:



I'm just suggesting that if anyone is calling for another poster to be banned, it would seem like you have little room to be making this call.

you are entitled to your opinion

in my opinion, YOU have NEVER once added anything of value in any post or thread and are just a nitpicking little boy

[pied]

you are entitled to your opinion

in my opinion, YOU have NEVER once added anything of value in any post or thread and are just a nitpicking little boy

1. No name calling - please refrain from using derogatory names when in a heated discussion. (idiot, jerk, etc. will not be acceptable)

[consumerman]

1. No name calling - please refrain from using derogatory names when in a heated discussion. (idiot, jerk, etc. will not be acceptable)

i agree you cant defend being nitpicking

as for the other quote I will retract that on paper but not in reality

[consumerman]

gee another texas poster diverting a thread

now for adults, back on topic

[pied]

Good one. I think you meant to say you will delete it, but not retract it.

[SLCDad]

If/when the rosters are published, assuming on Spartanhood, and if the name is not there, is there anything else that might prove the guy's story? It seems that there might be.

Well . . . . I COULD give you his contact information and you could talk to him yourself but don't count on it.

[pied]

gee another texas poster diverting a thread

now for adults, back on topic

What's that the 2007 USAToday rankings or conversations in Nebraska or DLS rosters in Georgia?

[pied]

Well . . . . I COULD give you his contact information and you could talk to him yourself but don't count on it.

I wouldn't expect that, but just curious if there is anything else besides the name?

[Chicago]

SLCDad is going to have video of DLS games with this guy in them.

It's going to be like the commercials with the Burger King guy playing in the NFL.

[Plaindriver]

Get a grip conlooneyman.

Nobody has posted the evidence that you say. LOL

Plaindriver said he checked his yearbooks and he asked ONE team captain. That's it.


I checked the programs, not yearbooks. And I checked with the team captain. And the admissions office at the school was contacted and they did a computer check for the history of the school, not just a few select years. Again, tehy confirmed that the school NEVER had a student enrolled, even for a week, by that name. If you want to call the admissions office, and check for yourself, Ill post the number here. Really, you should have done this yourself prior to making your original post.

[Plaindriver]

I'll answer ANY question but I won't go over the line of posting personal information.

OK, Lets try again:
Daddy, Please examine this excerpt carefully:

"During the camp, Coach Lad invited him to come and play football for DLS. Again, this guy said that he didn't have the money to pay tuition at DLS nor for room and board at the school. Coach Lad responded that he could arrange for this guy's expenses and tuition to be taken care of."

Simple Question, Dad: Was the above excerpt originally written by you, as part of the post you made on the National Yappi board, last fall (2007)?

Simple, Yes or No. Doesnt require a lengthly answer. Lets temporarily dispense with your intentions when the statement was made. Just a yes or no, please. You said you would answer any question, so do start with this one. Yes or No?

If you need help with your memory, here is the link to your original story:
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/e...raskaStory.jpg

[SLCDad]

OK, Lets try again:
Daddy, Please examine this excerpt carefully:

"During the camp, Coach Lad invited him to come and play football for DLS. Again, this guy said that he didn't have the money to pay tuition at DLS nor for room and board at the school. Coach Lad responded that he could arrange for this guy's expenses and tuition to be taken care of."

Simple Question, Dad: Was the above excerpt originally written by you, as part of the post you made on the National Yappi board, last fall (2007)?

Simple, Yes or No. Doesnt require a lengthly answer. Lets temporarily dispense with your intentions when the statement was made. Just a yes or no, please. You said you would answer any question, so do start with this one. Yes or No?

If you need help with your memory, here is the link to your original story:
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/e...raskaStory.jpg

In a private message I offered to give you much more information IF you agreed to keep it confidential. You refused. Frankly, that surprised me.

Now you are refusing more complete explanations (which have already been given).

You can read the words as well as I can.

If you don't want the whole truth, then you already have your answer.

[Plaindriver]

In a private message I offered to give you much more information IF you agreed to keep it confidential. You refused. Frankly, that surprised me.

Now you are refusing more complete explanations (which have already been given).

You can read the words as well as I can.

If you don't want the whole truth, then you already have your answer.

Kinda reminds me of a snake in the grass. Shall I post the "private" emails? Let the jury have the case?

BTW, we are still waiting for you to answer if the exerpt was written by you. You still havent answered.

[Plaindriver]

In a private message I offered to give you much more information IF you agreed to keep it confidential. You refused. Frankly, that surprised me.

Now you are refusing more complete explanations (which have already been given).

You can read the words as well as I can.

If you don't want the whole truth, then you already have your answer.
************************************************** *******
I ws rather surprised to get a pvt email from Daddy last eve. I actually thought he was seeking exit strategy, and to save some face. Being a nice guy, I bit. Gave him the benefit of the doubt. We exchanged 2 emails each. You might as well see what all transpired. I spent quite a bit of earnest time on him. Now I feel taken advantage of. Par for the course, I suppose.
An analogy would be: after securing my word that I would tell anyone, he then tells me there is a bomb at, say, my daughters house in another city, hundreds of miles away, and its gonna go off in 10 min.
Anyways, here is his first offering:


Dear Plaindriver,

You have received a new private message at Yappi Sports from SLCDad, entitled "Will You Give Me Your Word?".

To read the original version, respond to, or delete this message, you must log in here:
[url]http://www.yappi.com/forums/private

This is the message that was sent:
***************
My friend, honestly, I'm not making this stuff up. I've done my best to relate the facts as accurately as I can. I'm sure you can understand it's difficult when 20 posters disect every word I've posted. I didn't have a lawyer review every word I posted. :)

I have a few more things that I can tell you but I'm worred that you will post them on a board some where and/or that you will disclose them to somebody else.

I've got to protect this guy. It's wrong for you (or me) to disclose personal stuff on a message board about anyone.

What do you think?

By the way, are you willing to delete the guy's name from every one of your posts?

We all know his name but I'm very uncomfortable having his name on a public board, especially since it was me who posted it in the first place. I'm not retracting his name, just trying to protect him.

Thoughts?
***************



And here is my initial reply:


First off, my name is Mark, (really). My direct email is plaindriver@hotmail. No need to go thru the Yappi board, unless you feel more comfortable about it.

Next, please understand, DLS has some very faithful followers out there. For yrs, there have been any number of baseless accusations re recruiting. There have been countless investigations. Never has one been proven true. DLS is perhaps the most scrutinized HS program anywhere. Many, myself incl, get very defensive when people make the accusations. I consider myself a polite and decent guy. I go to all the games, I never stand up during the game as that would be impolite to those behind me. Point being, I am very considerate of others feelings. Re this whole recruiting biz, that YOU initiated, I have not called you a liar. I personally dont like that word. I never allowed that word in my house with my children. I do, however, have much trouble believing just about any part of your story. Ill give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume (for now) that you did meet some fellow at a dinner in Neb. When you knew his name, it would have more prudent for you to research if he was ever a Spartan rather than dragging the school thru the mud. . I wrote to the team captain of the 91 and 92 yrs. He happens to currently be the HC at another Catholic HS south of SanFran. He said there is no way that a SB was ever on the team. The school admissions office says there is no record of him ever being IN THE SCHOOL. You ignore this info, and keep maintaining that you KNOW that the story is true. I looked at the school programs from the late eighties thru present. I never saw Scotts name anywhere. DLS has small squads, as compared to most other programs at the elite level. I have seen them dress as few as 29 and as many as 54. Usually, it is around 40 or so. If a DLS really did recruit, like so many accuse the school of, then why are the lines consistently in the 200-210 range, why do 7-8 boys go both ways. This yr, our center was 5-9 and 175. We had a 185 and 190 D linemen. Running backs were 5-8 180 and 5-7 170. The 2 QBs were 5-10 and 5-9. This is the 4th yr in a row that essentially no D-1 schollies came from the program. (A linebacker was accepted to Air Force, and the 5-8 148 WR got a schollie to N. Ariz, but I dont know if that qualifies as D-1.) The AFA deal isnt really a schollie, cause ALL students there are comped, weather they play ball or not. Point here being: How can the coaching staff be such good coaches, but such schitty recruiters? Doesnt make any sense.

I cant understand why you are so uncomfortable with his name out there. If he was a stud at DLS, then he ought be happy and proud that he is being discussed. The only reason that I can think of that he wouldnt want his name out there is that he can be exposed as a farce. That is the natural conclusion for any sane person to draw. Surely you can appreciate that. I would absolutely consider deleting the guys name IF you give me good cause to do it. IE, why is it so important to protect his identity? If he is being untruthful, then he deserves no such protection. If there is a honest and plausible explanation for all this, and you can provide it, then I would certainly remove his name and ALL my posts re the matter.

Here is a bit more about me. I am 56, a product of Catholic schools (but not DLS). I live about 400 mi so. of DLS. I fly myself up to all the games. I flew to the Washington and Ohio games as well. It prob costs me about $400 to attend each game in Concord. Just for the plane expense. I fly back the same nite, after a post game dinner with the 'Hood. I do this because I like their style of play and their discipline on the field and off it. No thugs here. If I was to learn that all my efforts and emotions have been spent on a program that cheats, I would 'fire' the program immediately, and expose them. I would almost feel like I had been raped. If you have any info re DLS cheating, I would love to hear it. I will not re-post what you tell me, if you ask me not to. You will never find a more honorable gent. But, also, you must know that I will scrutinize any and all info that you provide. If there are discrepancies, and I can clearly illustrate them to you, I would expect for you to acknowledge as well.
You have to be a stand up guy as well. If a story is, in fact, true, then it wont be all that diff to prove. Ditto, if it isnt true.
I will be glad to proceed with this thread in private, but you cant obfuscate details or be elusive. If the story doesnt hold water, then I expect for you to acknowledge. If what you say is true, then I will certainly do a public apology, and then I will "fire" DLS. Not only do I go to the games, I financially support the school. I want for the school to be worthy of my efforts and support.

Do realize, that if I was trying to scam you, I wouldnt have spent all this time on a reply.
mark (aka plaindriver)

[Plaindriver]

Daddy sent a reply this morning, but I didnt se it till I got home from work this afternoon, at which time I promptly replied. I kinda expected him to reply again in pvt., but right away he blasts me on the public board, so I guess that means the gloves are off.
Here is his second email, in response to my first:


Dear Plaindriver,
You have received a new private message at Yappi Sports from SLCDad, entitled "To the Superfan".
This is the message that was sent:
***************
Thanks for the information and the response. You are truly a superfan, unlike Consumerman who has never even been to a single game and has no connection to DLS whatsoever.

If you give me your word that you will not disclose to anyone anything that I tell you, I will give you more information.

Do I have your word?

And here is the reply, after which he slams me on the board:
****************************************
Dad, Ive laid off the boards since I read your message yesterday. But I have looked at the progression of postings on the board, and you seem like you just wanna annoy people. So, It is probably best that you dont send me the 'additional info'. This info you are talking about would have to be verifiable and stand up to the smell test. Names and dates would have to be in proper alignment, no hearsay, and missing blanks. The truth shouldnt be difficult to prove. If your additional info isnt rock solid, then you shouldnt send it. And if it is undeniably accurate, then I would likely bust the schools balls and then cease my relationship with the program. I would protect you as the source if the latter happens, but wont guarantee if it is bogus info or it cant be substantiated. You never gave ONE satisfactory ans to any of the many questions that were posed to you on the Hood board. Your ans as to why Captain Patrick never heard of the guy is weak. I shouldnt have to walk you thru this simple math, but if he played w/Toomer and AT's last season was 91, and he was there for the early part of the streak, which started in 92, then he would have had to be at least a Soph during the 92 season. It is impossible for SB to have played there, and the capt doesnt remember him. Just because you didnt post the EXACT numerical yrs doesnt dismiss your responsibility to address that question.

I would rather do the remainder of this battle on the public boards. If I do it in pvt with you, and give my word to be silent, then I may get frustrated to death. I wont break my word, so its best you just post your additional info on the public boards.

I will tell you that I have serious reservations as to whether that dinner conversation w/SB really happened. Its best we leave it at that and continue the debate in the public forum.

I have no intentions of making public these "behind the scenes" notes we have shared.

On an unrelated, how did that SLC production of the Phantom turn out? I saw the stage play in LA five times, back in the early 90's. Once w/Mike Crawford. It was the best!

mark

[Chicago]

This new information greatly concerns me.

Plaindriver, you went to a musical five times?

First Elwood likes Jeff Gordon, and now this.

[Plaindriver]

This new information greatly concerns me.

Plaindriver, you went to a musical five times?

First Elwood likes Jeff Gordon, and now this.

I knew I shoulda omitted that part. But then Daddy would pounced on me for leaving pertinent facts out of the case.
Actually, I bought tix three times, and the other two were freebies. No schit, it was a terrific show. I went to one called "Cats" shortly thereafter, and bailed out just after halftime. It sucked. You would be proud of me. I aint been to one since. That must have been in the 'gaining culture' phase of my life.

[Plaindriver]

In a private message I offered to give you much more information IF you agreed to keep it confidential. You refused. Frankly, that surprised me.

Now you are refusing more complete explanations (which have already been given).

You can read the words as well as I can.

If you don't want the whole truth, then you already have your answer.

Daddy, if you have additional info, then post it already. Quit your endzone celebration cause you havent scored a single point!

You have showed that you basically have no scruples. How? Glad you asked. Ill explain: In your original post, YOU picked the title: "true story about DLS?"
Then you commence to spin your yard. Then, your final two sentences of the piece:
I have no idea if the story this guy told was true or not. However, I've attempted to accurately post what he told everyone that night.

A man with any character, decency or scruples would have attempted to verify the story instead of using the slash and burn methods that you have, by posting it on a national board.

Im just curious, did you post this after or before the SLC-MNW game? The post date of the article was 10-01-07 at 2210hrs.

[elwood]

This new information greatly concerns me.

Plaindriver, you went to a musical five times?

First Elwood likes Jeff Gordon, and now this.
You're probably a Dale Jr. fan and now drink AMP, whatever that is.

[elwood]

Daddy, if you have additional info, then post it already. Quit your endzone celebration cause you havent scored a single point!

You have showed that you basically have no scruples. How? Glad you asked. Ill explain: In your original post, YOU picked the title: "true story about DLS?"
Then you commence to spin your yard. Then, your final two sentences of the piece:
I have no idea if the story this guy told was true or not. However, I've attempted to accurately post what he told everyone that night.

A man with any character, decency or scruples would have attempted to verify the story instead of using the slash and burn methods that you have, by posting it on a national board.

Im just curious, did you post this after or before the SLC-MNW game? The post date of the article was 10-01-07 at 2210hrs.
PD, as a very wise man once said...







..."you can't fix stupid"

[Chicago]

3 and 29.

And I'm OK with 20.

24 and 48 absolutely not. And if there were a 72 and a 96, I'd probably be against them, too (if they exist, I am not aware of it).

The only Amp I know is Lee.

[elwood]

3 - RIP
29 goofy - was at his first win 3 weeks after 3's death - great win, still goofy

20? you need counseling

24 grew up 20 miles from DLS - homeboy

oh yeah, Ashley Judd now shows up at races. Whatever DF's # is, I'm rooting for it.

[SLCDad]

Daddy, if you have additional info, then post it already. Quit your endzone celebration cause you havent scored a single point!

You have showed that you basically have no scruples. How? Glad you asked. Ill explain: In your original post, YOU picked the title: "true story about DLS?"
Then you commence to spin your yard. Then, your final two sentences of the piece:
I have no idea if the story this guy told was true or not. However, I've attempted to accurately post what he told everyone that night.

A man with any character, decency or scruples would have attempted to verify the story instead of using the slash and burn methods that you have, by posting it on a national board.

Im just curious, did you post this after or before the SLC-MNW game? The post date of the article was 10-01-07 at 2210hrs.

Plaindriver, you have no interest in knowing the truth.

I've already posted that I HAVE done MORE to verify the story. MUCH MORE. I have already posted that.

YOU ARE ONLY QUOTING THE FIRST POST. If you had read what I posted would know that I've been able to learn much more about his story.

Do you really think I had only ONE contact? Give me a break.

Where do you think the information about Amani Toomer came from? It wasn't in the first post and I didn't know it at first.

Where do you think the NAME came from? It wasn't in the first post and I didn't know it at first.

Where do you think the knowlege of his position came from? It wasn't in the first post and I didn't know it at first.

I've learned ALL of that (and much more) AFTER the first post.

YES, when I made the first post I wasn't sure if the story was true. However, now I know more. MUCH MORE.

I'VE ALREADY POSTED THIS ON TWO BOARDS. YOU OF ALL PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW THIS.

I HAVE POSTED NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH FROM THE BEGINNING.

You, on the other hand, have 1) exagerated facts, 2) jumped to erroneous conculsions and 3) posted falsehoods. I've proven that and YOU admitted it.

I offered to give you more information. I can help you solve this mystery for yourself. You refused my offer. You have also proven to be untrustworthy with confidential information.

[SLCDad]

A man with any character, decency or scruples would have attempted to verify the story instead of using the slash and burn methods that you have, by posting it on a national board.

I have verified the story and I offered to share it with you.

YOU ARE THE GUY WITH NO CHARACTER NOR DECENCY NOR SCRUPLES BECAUSE YOU ARE WILLING (AND ANXIOUS) TO DISCUSS PERSONAL MATTERS IN A PUBLIC FORUM. I WON'T DO IT!

I OFFERED TO TELL YOU EVERYTHING I KNOW BUT YOU REFUSED!

[SLCDad]

Daddy, if you have additional info, then post it already.

Do you really expect me to post the name, telephone number and employer of this guy on a public message board? Sorry I won't do it.

By the way, it's also against Yappi rules. When Uncle Baldy sees this thread I'm confident he will delete it because it's gone way over the line already.

I offered to help YOU know the truth but you refused.

You have absolutely no integrity with regard to private information. You've proven that already. I admit I made that mistake once but I did my best to correct it. You refuse. That's wrong. Very wrong.

[SLCDad]

I have no idea if the story this guy told was true or not. However, I've attempted to accurately post what he told everyone that night.


It's shocking that you would post this immediately after I offered to help you verify the story.

You claimed you were a man of integrity, but nobody would know it based on what you've done today.

[Plaindriver]

I have verified the story and I offered to share it with you.

YOU ARE THE GUY WITH NO CHARACTER NOR DECENCY NOR SCRUPLES BECAUSE YOU ARE WILLING (AND ANXIOUS) TO DISCUSS PERSONAL MATTERS IN A PUBLIC FORUM. I WON'T DO IT!

I OFFERED TO TELL YOU EVERYTHING I KNOW BUT YOU REFUSED!

I never refused the info, Daddy. I just wouldnt accept your ridiculous guidelines or conditions. You were and are encouraged to post it. But you must expect the scrutiny. Something that apparently you are quite worried about.

[Plaindriver]

Do you really expect me to post the name, telephone number and employer of this guy on a public message board? Sorry I won't do it.

By the way, it's also against Yappi rules. When Uncle Baldy sees this thread I'm confident he will delete it because it's gone way over the line already.

I offered to help YOU know the truth but you refused.

You have absolutely no integrity with regard to private information. You've proven that already. I admit I made that mistake once but I did my best to correct it. You refuse. That's wrong. Very wrong.

Who has ever asked for a name, telephone number or employer of your 'ghost'?
You SAY you offered the truth, but you have made numerous offers on this and other boards to many people and have never come thru on the promises.
And you say I have no integrity? Im not the one who posted this wild yarn about DLS, and cant/wont substantiate his story.

And exactly who, Daddy, was was the person who brought the private email betw us to light on this board??? If you didnt want them published, then you should not have mentioned them on this board.
Integrity??? Puhleeeese!

[Plaindriver]

Look at some facts:
Daddy posts a wild yarn about perhaps the highest profile HS team in the business. Then he removes the 'star' of the original story's name (Scott Berg). Then he alters pertinent details, like how much financial assistance the coach offered this youth, room and board arrangements, dates, possible teammates, etc.
Says he just happened to hear this at a chance dinner a thousand miles away. He cant wait to post it on the national board, IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT HE KNOWS IT COULD WELL BE ALL FALSE, as evidenced by his final two sentences of the story:
"I have no idea if the story this guy told was true or not. However, I've attempted to accurately post what he told everyone that night."

And now, he has all this explosive, concrete, absolute verifiable truths, that are even more detailed and substantial than his original post, but for some unexplainable reason, he chooses to sit on the story???

Daddy couldnt wait to spill the beans and drag DLS thru the mud, even though he himself questioned the veracity of the story. What are the chances that he would not post a story that could be verified?
Somewhere between zero and none.

I smell a total farce here, one void of character, scruples and decency.

Daddy, I think you will forever be defined by youre own quote from your original story:
"I have no idea if the story this guy told was true or not".

[SLCDad]

The sad thing about this whole fiasco is that I know what happened at DLS.

I've offered to share the information with the DLS faithful so they could validate the story for themselves, but they refused. I only had ONE condition which was that they keep personal information private. They refused.

I asked DLS fans to obey the rules of Yappi. They refused.

They asked me to break the rules of Yappi (which they broke several times) but I refused.

Sad.

[SLCDad]

Daddy, I think you will forever be defined by youre own quote from your original story:
"I have no idea if the story this guy told was true or not".

Only to those who are not honorable.

You know that statement is false but you post it anyway. Congratulations. Is that the DLS tradtion that you are so proud of? I think not.

[consumerman]

this guy is not even remotely in touch with reality

to try and reason and use deductive logic will not work

common sense? are you kidding?

fact based proven evidence?

beyond this guy's comprehension

answer legitimate questions? he has never ever attempted to try

we need to let pluto daditis wacky daddy go off on his own

he is a million miles from earth

[Chicago]

This is awesome.

If I am lying, how do I know the position of the guy who never played at DLS?

[Plaindriver]

Plaindriver, you have no interest in knowing the truth.

I've already posted that I HAVE done MORE to verify the story. MUCH MORE. I have already posted that.
Sure, you keep posting that you have done so much more. But you offer absolutely ZERO verifiable evidence of whatever you have done, nor do you EVER post specific facts. If you have ever made another substantial contribution to this original yarn, (and not immed deleted it) please offer a direct link to it. I suspect you will keep saying crap like "Ive have already done this numerous times." But you will never actually post a link. You cant, because it doesnt exist.


YOU ARE ONLY QUOTING THE FIRST POST. If you had read what I posted would know that I've been able to learn much more about his story.

So, then, rather than being the brunt of major ridicule and mockery, post the actual link to this valuable info. Quit making all the baseless claims that you have all this info, and out with it. You have no trouble posting an entire (very negative) diatribe, after which you claim to have no idea if its true or not.

Do you really think I had only ONE contact? Give me a break.

More ghosts! If you cant or wont post them, then they obviously dont exist. Again, you had no trouble posting the first story when you state in your piece that you have no idea if its true. Despite not knowing, you post it anyways.

Where do you think the information about Amani Toomer came from? It wasn't in the first post and I didn't know it at first.

Geeze, Daddy, he is likely only the most famous DLS alum football player. Very common knowledge. I also suppose you had no idea who the coach was, until Scott Berg bestowed that little nugget upon you as well? Please.

Where do you think the NAME came from? It wasn't in the first post and I didn't know it at first.

Where do you think the knowlege of his position came from? It wasn't in the first post and I didn't know it at first.

This is all such common knowledge in the HS football world.

I've learned ALL of that (and much more) AFTER the first post.

Lets see, you didnt know about Toomer. After you learned it, you had no trouble posting that info. So why did you post the Toomer info?

YES, when I made the first post I wasn't sure if the story was true. However, now I know more. MUCH MORE.

So then post your "MUCH MORE" info. You say when you 'learned' the Toomer info, you posted that as additional info. Now you have substantial, verifiable info, and you refuse to post it.

I'VE ALREADY POSTED THIS ON TWO BOARDS. YOU OF ALL PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW THIS.

I know you have erased all your postings re this matter from the Hood board. I also suspect that you appealed to Baldy to have your orig post erased. Helll, if I hadnt saved your orig post, you wold deny and fabricate around it as well.

I HAVE POSTED NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH FROM THE BEGINNING.

Again, look at your original post: "I HAVE NO IDEA IF THE STORY THIS GUY TOLD WAS TRUE OR NOT." Yet you still posted it. Shameless.



You, on the other hand, have 1) exagerated facts, 2) jumped to erroneous conculsions and 3) posted falsehoods. I've proven that and YOU admitted it.

Avoid dealing in facts, Daddy. Just slay the messenger. Do you think there is a reason that so many other posters are getting after you on such a consistent basis?? Hmmm.


I offered to give you more information. I can help you solve this mystery for yourself. You refused my offer. You have also proven to be untrustworthy with confidential information.

Not exactly accurate. If you read our emails, you will see that I welcomed your info, just not your terms. You refused to part with your supposed info in accordance with my terms. (Like your info will be scrutinized.)

[SLCDad]

[/B]Not exactly accurate. If you read our emails, you will see that I welcomed your info, just not your terms. You refused to part with your supposed info in accordance with my terms. (Like your info will be scrutinized.)

Your "terms" required that the rules of Yappi be broken.

Your "terms" required that personal information be posted on a public message board.


You claimed to have integrity. Why not in this case?



(Since you haven't kept this standard, I'm not surprised that you don't want me to either.)

[Plaindriver]

If a person keeps repeating an untrue statement enough times, eventually, perhaps they will actually start to believe it themselves.
To wit:

I have posted these things many times. You can check the posts. I have already posted that.


I know this story is true. (Even tho it is at least 2nd hand, and I wasnt actually there.) I have already posted that I know its true.

I have much more information. I have already posted that.

The story is absolutely true. I have already posted that.


I retract none of it. (Except that I deleted all of it.) I have already posted that.


Now I know more. MUCH MORE. I have already posted that.


I've already posted that I HAVE done MORE to verify the story. MUCH MORE. I have already posted that.


I HAVE POSTED NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH FROM THE BEGINNING. I have already posted that.

The sad thing about this whole fiasco is that I know what happened at DLS. I already posted that.

Do you really think I had only ONE contact? Give me a break. I have already posted that.


"I HAVE NO IDEA IF THE STORY THIS GUY TOLD WAS TRUE OR NOT." I have already posted that.
************************************************** ******
Everyone knows that 'Chicago' played with Maurice Drew because he (at least) gave the years. (Late 70's). Because "He already posted that", so its obviously true! Why cant you see that?
Just because MD's birth cert says 1985, there could have been a mix up at the hospital. He might have been born under his middle name or used his cousins name. Its true. I already posted that. Why do ou guys keep throwing this silly logic at me. My mind is made up. If SLC lost 2 games this yr, lost their srtreak, then its obvious that DLS recruited Scott Berg back, well I didnt say the exact yr, but I already posted that. Obviously its true. I already posted that.

[Plaindriver]

Do you really expect me to post the name, telephone number and employer of this guy on a public message board? Sorry I won't do it.

Has anybody actually requested that you post a name, tele number, and employer on a board? If so, please substiantiate.

By the way, it's also against Yappi rules. When Uncle Baldy sees this thread I'm confident he will delete it because it's gone way over the line already.
What is it that you are referring to that is against the rules?

I offered to help YOU know the truth but you refused.
I know, you already posted that.

You have absolutely no integrity with regard to private information. You've proven that already. I admit I made that mistake once but I did my best to correct it. You refuse. That's wrong. Very wrong./

[SLCDad]

I've got an idea!

Let's create a "DLS personal information" thread.

All of the DLS faithful (Elwood, Plaindriver, Conlooneyman, Chicago, DLSFanNW, etc.) can post their names, addresses, employers and telephone numbers.

I'll do the same for the former DLS player.


This will solve the debate once and for all.

Any takers?

[Plaindriver]

I've got an idea!

Let's create a "DLS personal information" thread.

All of the DLS faithful (Elwood, Plaindriver, Conlooneyman, Chicago, DLSFanNW, etc.) can post their names, addresses, employers and telephone numbers.

I'll do the same for the former DLS player.


This will solve the debate once and for all.

Any takers?

Lets change the subject, shall we? I wish you guys would stop asking me to post the actual details of my story. I already told you guys its true. I already posted that.

Anyways, "I HAVE NO IDEA IF THE STORY THIS GUY TOLD WAS TRUE OR NOT." I have already posted that.

[SLCDad]

What is it that you are referring to that is against the rules?

It's against the rules to post personal information on Yappi. It's against the rules to post a name on Yappi.

That's one reason why I asked you to not post a name and why I asked you to delete it after the fact.

It's also the reason why I won't disclose the additional information that I have on Yappi.

[Plaindriver]

It's against the rules to post personal information on Yappi. It's against the rules to post a name on Yappi.

That's one reason why I asked you to not post a name and why I asked you to delete it after the fact.

It's also the reason why I won't disclose the additional information that I have on Yappi.


Has anybody actually requested that you post a name, tele number, and employer on a board? If so, please substiantiate.

[SLCDad]

Lets change the subject, shall we? I wish you guys would stop asking me to post the actual details of my story. I already told you guys its true. I already posted that.

Changing the subject? LOL Not really. In fact, that's exactly the point.

You are asking that personal information be posted about someone else, but YOU refuse to do the same for yourself.

Nice job Mr. Self Proclaimed Integrity. I think you can start standing at football games because your self proclaimed integrity is shot.

[Plaindriver]

It's against the rules to post personal information on Yappi. It's against the rules to post a name on Yappi.

Lets look at rule #5 shall we?

5. "Outing" an anonymous poster - revealing the real identity of a poster is not allowed."

As far as anyone can tell, Scott Berg isnt a poster, but rather a fragment of a posters fertile imagination. Gosh, UNLESS, . . . Hey Daddy, are you Scott Berg?

That's one reason why I asked you to not post a name and why I asked you to delete it after the fact.

It's also the reason why I won't disclose the additional information that I have on Yappi./

[SLCDad]

Has anybody actually requested that you post a name, tele number, and employer on a board? If so, please substiantiate.

You've asked that the story be validated. I've posted everything that I know except for things that need to be kept confidential; one of which is the personal contact information.

I know more. Much more. However, I will only share it in confidence.

The story is true.

[consumerman]

You've asked that the story be validated. I've posted everything that I know except for things that need to be kept confidential; one of which is the personal contact information.

I know more. Much more. However, I will only share it in confidence.

The story is true.

HUH?????????????????


You have "posted everything you know except for things that need to be kept confidential"

followed by "I know more. Much more"

which is it?

have you posted everything you know - which so far is nothing but a fictional story with no proof and in fact has been shown to be impossible to be true?

or is it "you have much more - confidential" which unfortunately does nothing to add any relevance to this 0% proven lie?

[Plaindriver]

Changing the subject? LOL Not really. In fact, that's exactly the point.

You are asking that personal information be posted about someone else, but YOU refuse to do the same for yourself.

Nice job Mr. Self Proclaimed Integrity. I think you can start standing at football games because your self proclaimed integrity is shot.

Please show exactly where I asked for PERSONAL INFORMATION (name, phone #, employer) about someone else to be posted.