Spartan Nation off season workouts...

[Emperior Ming]

I understand that the football team will start their off season weight lifting program as soon as the kids come back to school from Christmas break. Let's hope the turn out is as good as the interest seems to be for the 2008 season!
After playing mostly underclassmen last year, does anyone think the Spartans will win a couple of games and get off the "schnide"? I think they have 7 or 8 retunring starters on both offense and defense. I know that Coach Tony is excited about the upcoming season.

With a new AD (Kevin Vaughn) maybe they can get Green and Revere off their non- league schudule. I think they will always play Ellet, but dropping those other 2 big schools for 2 smaller ones will help out a lot. At least until they get this thing turned around!

[TheGospel]

I'm sorry, but Coach Tony should have been let go for missing practices, missing games, and at times having kids at practice under no supervision.

We won't even talk about the lack of passion, imagination, direction, discipline or leadership in that program.

Fowler destroyed that program when he put a 23-yr old unqualified coach in there 4 years ago, and 2007 was even worse. The kids deserve better from the adults around them...

[greendad]

I know it may sound weird coming from someone in green, but i hope you guys can get back to the springfield football i remember in the mid-late 70's

:rainbow: :) :rainbow: :) :rainbow: :)

[thepolster]

About 35 kids showed up for lifting. And we still have basketball and wrestlers out. So thats about 6 more kids.

[thepolster]

I'm sorry, but Coach Tony should have been let go for missing practices, missing games, and at times having kids at practice under no supervision.

We won't even talk about the lack of passion, imagination, direction, discipline or leadership in that program.

Fowler destroyed that program when he put a 23-yr old unqualified coach in there 4 years ago, and 2007 was even worse. The kids deserve better from the adults around them...

The jealousy runs deep, very deep. And I bet you could do a better job.

[chopblock]

My friends son says the weight room and conditioning has 20-30 kids out but he says the head coach was only there once for part of the time. What is going on.

[spartanmom12]

My friends son says the weight room and conditioning has 20-30 kids out but he says the head coach was only there once for part of the time. What is going on.

Man you need to shut your mouth if your only hearing it 3 people down the road. Quit bashing and grow some why dont ya.

[Irish87]

Man you need to shut your mouth if your only hearing it 3 people down the road. Quit bashing and grow some why dont ya.

I talk to lot of my friends sons, that doesn't make it 3 people down the road. Relax Spartanmom. I think its a legitimate statement. If the coach is not present, for at least half the time, I can see why people would question his dedication.

[GRPride86]

Are they talking about the head coach not being there 100% of the time or just not having a coach there.

I don't think the a head coach would have that much time to be there every second, that's why other assistant coaches help in the weightroom.

[Irish87]

I don't think anyone said he had to be there 100% of the time. It was stated that he was only there once, and only for a short period of time.
Now, I agree, I don't think the HC needs to be there all day everyday, but listening to all this talk about "rebuilding" Spartan Football, I think it would be a nice gesture for the HC to show his face in the Weight Room, a little more than one time.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not around the program any longer, so I couldn't tell you what comments are true and what comments are false. I'm simply responding to one persons observation.

[spartanmom12]

I don't think anyone said he had to be there 100% of the time. It was stated that he was only there once, and only for a short period of time.
Now, I agree, I don't think the HC needs to be there all day everyday, but listening to all this talk about "rebuilding" Spartan Football, I think it would be a nice gesture for the HC to show his face in the Weight Room, a little more than one time.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not around the program any longer, so I couldn't tell you what comments are true and what comments are false. I'm simply responding to one persons observation.

Sorry maybe I did not make it clear enough. There has been 3 days of lifting total and head coach was there first day and two assistant coaches have been there the most recent. I think you should worry about your reputation with the age limit down at the youth. Get your baskets in order.

[Omni-Spartan]

you attacked the youth coaches for missing practice but you defend the h.s. coach for the same thing?? as far as the age thing with the youth look no further than the parents...

[Irish87]

Sorry maybe I did not make it clear enough. There has been 3 days of lifting total and head coach was there first day and two assistant coaches have been there the most recent. I think you should worry about your reputation with the age limit down at the youth. Get your baskets in order.

Yes,
being clear helps out quite a bit.

Boy, aren't we snappy these days. :laugh:

[spartanmom12]

you attacked the youth coaches for missing practice but you defend the h.s. coach for the same thing?? as far as the age thing with the youth look no further than the parents...

So your saying what all the coaches including the new director knew, means the 2007 season was legit? The deception to the Springfield and surrounding communities. Ask the good ole boys about this one. They road the high horse long enough.

[tallmadge H2 dad]

Sorry maybe I did not make it clear enough. There has been 3 days of lifting total and head coach was there first day and two assistant coaches have been there the most recent. I think you should worry about your reputation with the age limit down at the youth. Get your baskets in order.

Wow...very fiesty mom. Seems someone should vote for a levy instead of worrying about which coaches are at weight training. Get YOUR baskets in order nice lady.

[spartanmom12]

you attacked the youth coaches for missing practice but you defend the h.s. coach for the same thing?? as far as the age thing with the youth look no further than the parents...

I'm seeing a double edge sword here. So your saying the age thing didn't take you and your JV son to Florida? You must be talking about Larry and yourself, right. K.M.

[Irish87]

I'm seeing a double edge sword here. So your saying the age thing didn't take you and your JV son to Florida? You must be talking about Larry and yourself, right. K.M.

Nobody is talking about Florida here, or for that matter, last years season.
The discussions have been about trying to bring our Community together, to help all sports. Get over last year. Its done, its gone and a new Director with new Board members are in place.

We need to start talking about how everyone can work together to achieve a common goal, not continue to bring up personal issues that took place in the past.

Lets work together spartanmom.

[spartan71]

listen i don't want to exchange anymore ill will with you as a matter of fact i will not respond to anymore football crap i'm done with it, this all is so stupid and childish the kids will play this year under ssyf who knows about next year, there is to much jealousy and backstabbing going on between residents for no good reason. i believe we have had enough on here between you and i, let it go its over and done. have a nice day.:angel:.. now if you want to talk wrestling lets do it!

[Buckeye29]

Wow...very fiesty mom. Seems someone should vote for a levy instead of worrying about which coaches are at weight training. Get YOUR baskets in order nice lady.

Right on!!!!!!

[Buckeye29]

Nobody is talking about Florida here, or for that matter, last years season.
The discussions have been about trying to bring our Community together, to help all sports. Get over last year. Its done, its gone and a new Director with new Board members are in place.

We need to start talking about how everyone can work together to achieve a common goal, not continue to bring up personal issues that took place in the past.

Lets work together spartanmom.

You couldn't be more right. I think mom is just trying to stir the pot. Don't let her get your goat. You have the right attitude to help this community.

[spartanmom12]

My friends son says the weight room and conditioning has 20-30 kids out but he says the head coach was only there once for part of the time. What is going on.


Is the coach allowed to be with the kids before AUG. 1 ? What is the ohsa rules on that?

[Irish87]

I am pretty sure there not any restrictions on a Head Coach being allowed to work with his players on a Lifting Program. I'm not sure of the exact rule, but supervising Lifting should be ok.
Someone else might know the exact rule as far as what a HC can and can't due before Aug 1.

[GRPride86]

Here's the link to the OHSAA website for football regulations:

http://www.ohsaa.org/sports/rglts/FT07-08.pdf

I don't believe weight lifting is considered "football instruction" so the head coach can be involved. I do think that there are specific regulations for off season training but I couldn't find it on the site.

[GRPride86]

I found this on another thread. I don't know exactley where it's located in the rules, but a lot of other people agreed with this interpretation:

Unless OHSAA has changed the rules from 2006 to 2007, mandatory workouts are expressly prohibitited until 30 days past the last date of the division (you belong to) championship. Which would put it in the first week of January. Now athletes can work out on their own, but the workout cannot be mandatory, coaches cannot attend, a strength coach can attend unless he is also listed as an assistant coach.

[spartanmom12]

You couldn't be more right. I think mom is just trying to stir the pot. Don't let her get your goat. You have the right attitude to help this community.

B29 you have no Idea about the deception that went on in the ssyf.

[Buckeye29]

B29 you have no Idea about the deception that went on in the ssyf.

I've known all about what's been going on down there for years. I've coached there for quite a while. The biggest problem the last few years was the director. He's gone now, but I really don't have much faith in the new director because he always seemed to be the old director's "Little Buddy". I don't think however the coaches are a part of the problem! I've coached with a lot of the guys down there, and for the most part, they're all pretty good coaches. I haven't always agreed with all of their decisions, but they are the ones giving up their free time and are there every night. (At least the ones I'm talking about were there every night) As far as the high school kids working out with or without a coach, at what point do we stop holding these kids hands. When I played it was an unwritten rule that if you played football you worked out ALL year round. We were tested, and that pretty well showed if we were logging our time in the weight room. We had a lifting coach, but it was our responsibilities to get our butts in the weight room and actually do the work. Lets quit blaming the coaches for everything. We need to instill some work ethics into these kids! Make them want to get better and stronger without having to constantly being pushed. Get them to push themselves.:soapbox:

[GR1FAN]

B29 you have no Idea about the deception that went on in the ssyf.

what are we talking about here? enlighten me spartanmom

[thepolster]

Iheard that there was quit a few kids working out, like 40 or more yesterday. I love hearing the numbers going up. WAY TO GO COACHES

[Emperior Ming]

I'm sorry, but Coach Tony should have been let go for missing practices, missing games, and at times having kids at practice under no supervision.

We won't even talk about the lack of passion, imagination, direction, discipline or leadership in that program.

Fowler destroyed that program when he put a 23-yr old unqualified coach in there 4 years ago, and 2007 was even worse. The kids deserve better from the adults around them...

Gospel,
Are you a parent or just one of those "know-it-all townies"? It sounds like you are either very close to the football program to make such a bold statement or extremely jealous that YOU aren't the coach. Were you at all the games and practices? Coach Tony is all about "passion, imagination, direction, discipline and leadership"! It sounds like you were hiding in the locker room listening to him preach those qualities every day throughout last year. That's a real "cheap shot", even for an "arm-chair QB"...

[thepolster]

Gospel,
Are you a parent or just one of those "know-it-all townies"? It sounds like you are either very close to the football program to make such a bold statement or extremely jealous that YOU aren't the coach. Were you at all the games and practices? Coach Tony is all about "passion, imagination, direction, discipline and leadership"! It sounds like you were hiding in the locker room listening to him preach those qualities every day throughout last year. That's a real "cheap shot", even for an "arm-chair QB"...


Very well put.

[Shiloh]

So what about his missing practices and games? I don't necessarily agree with what Gospel said, but I've never heard anyone respond to how a varsity head coach can miss 2 games and so many practices and still have a job?

I'd be jealous too if I could miss 20% of work and still have a job and get paid.

[SPARTAN HOPE]

Did it ever cross your mind that the coach could have had some health issues? Why do you people insist on bashing him? Even though they didn't do as well last year as we all hoped, my son had a positive experience and respected all the coaches and that is a start from the previous year.

[SPARTAN HOPE]

I guess it all doesn't matter anyway, word in the hood is that he is retiring and the head coach position is open. :shrug:

[spartan71]

is it health related ? thats to bad... wanted to see what would happen this year under him..it would have been a better barometer this year..

[SPARTAN HOPE]

It may just be a rumor, but I heard it from two different people in one day. I hate to see it happen too, but if it is true, we now seem to have someone in charge who may make a good decision. We also need a new wrestling coach, the one last year was a joke thanks to the old AD.

[spartan71]

i agree. KV was the best move they could have made for the AD spot... i never talked to the wrestling coach don't know much about him... if anyone knows more please give us some more info.

[Shiloh]

I heard he resigned, but no idea on who will replace him. Whoever it is will start off behind.
The seniors will now have their 3rd Head Coach in 3 years in 2008 and 4th in the last 6. Last 5 years = 0-10, 1-9, 2-8, 0-10, 0-10 = 3-47

What can they possibly do to get that program turned around? This might take a whole new thread...

[headhunter34]

This wasn't a last minute deal. Coach is going through something very personal right now. A replacement has been decided overwhelmingly, and kept in house. I even think the decision is the right one. HINT; a very change oriented guy.

[green1965champs]

Mr. Graves

[spartan71]

I heard he resigned, but no idea on who will replace him. Whoever it is will start off behind.
The seniors will now have their 3rd Head Coach in 3 years in 2008 and 4th in the last 6. Last 5 years = 0-10, 1-9, 2-8, 0-10, 0-10 = 3-47

What can they possibly do to get that program turned around? This might take a whole new thread...
i think some stability at the head coach position will be a good start along with getting the numbers up to where they should be for a d2 school. i've heard good things about graves from some former coaches looking forward to this season..

[green1965champs]

Mr. Vaughn

[Irish87]

Mr. Vaughn

Are you telling us Vaughn is the new Head Coach? Or Graves?

[GRPride86]

Are you telling us Vaughn is the new Head Coach? Or Graves?


No silly, it's a name game.

My turn: Mr. Greenjeans

[Smashmouth#1]

ok..............



MR. ED..........that who someone sounds like...........or at least a certain part of him

[Irish87]

Ooohh, I got it now... ok, how bout

Gerald Wilkins.

:thumb:

Your turn

[green pride]

I hope you guys get Graves he is a ex Green coach and player a good guy. You will be lucky to get him.

[spartan71]

my turn.
Willy Wonka!

[SPARTAN HOPE]

The position is open (has not been overwhelmingly decided) and the inside people interested have to apply just like anyone else. Vaughn would be a good choice because the kids seem to respect him and he knows what he is doing. Mazer was a good coach he just didn't know how to earn their respect, he tried to be their friend. His practices were much tougher than coach I, and that info is coming from a wrestler....they know about tough practices.

[Emperior Ming]

Graves, KV and Bosco all applied last year and lost out to Coach I. He asked them all to be on his staff and they all declined. None are qualified to a head coach or they would have gotten the job last year. KV could be a possibility, but he is also the new AD. That could be too much; first time AD and Head Coach in the same year.
As far as practices being easier; that may be. But these kids are so soft that they only hit once a week and many missed for "various reasons". Anything harder would have made it near impossible to suit up 11 for Friday night!

[Emperior Ming]

I heard he resigned, but no idea on who will replace him. Whoever it is will start off behind.
The seniors will now have their 3rd Head Coach in 3 years in 2008 and 4th in the last 6. Last 5 years = 0-10, 1-9, 2-8, 0-10, 0-10 = 3-47

What can they possibly do to get that program turned around? This might take a whole new thread...

Have the kids and their parents look in the mirror and see where the problem is. You can not beg kids to play football. They have to want to do it themselves. When that school gets 20+ kids a grade to play, they'll compete. Until then, they won't. It's as simple as that. This is D-2 football! You can not compete with 30 kids vs. everyone else's 60!!

[Irish87]

There is a huge emphasis on turning around the Football program in this township. I think the residents are sick of the losing. There are some talented young athletes coming up through the system currently. If the kids can stay out of trouble and maintain their grades, I see a change for the good in the near future. The Youth program has made some major changes this year and is dedicated to making this a great season for the kids.

The biggest obstacle at this point, is the current situation with our Schools. If and when the Levy is put back on the ballot, it must pass. We have already lost children to neighboring communities and will continue to do so until our Schools are back on track. I wish there was another way to help our situation, but unfortunately there isn't. Until something major happens in Columbus, increasing our Taxes is the only way.

Lets stay positive, get the kids out and signed up for any and all sporting organizations and help out where you can. Get involved and join the effort.

As for hiring a new Coach, I trust Mr. Vaughn to make the right decision.

[GRPride86]

Can Vaughn be the head coach as AD. I know in the Tallmadge school district, principles and AD's can not be head coaches.

[spartan71]

i think alot of the problems with students not respecting coaches comes from home if they hear mom or dad cutting down the coach for what ever reason they suck it up and it really hurts the coaches ability to coach that player. to me the players themselves need to push each other also. senior need to put egotistical underclassmen inline and peer pressure them if they are not in the weight room.

[Shiloh]

Graves, KV and Bosco all applied last year and lost out to Coach I. He asked them all to be on his staff and they all declined. None are qualified to a head coach or they would have gotten the job last year.

I don't know where you get that idea that anyone of the three are less qualified than Mr. I. You have always defended Mr. I and chastised those of us who question him. Ray (We all know who he is) decided to get someone totally from the outside. It was NOT because the other 3 were unqualified. But Ray felt an outsider might be someone the kids would respond to.

After an 0-10 season that everyone must agree was an unmitigated disaster for the Springfield boys, and Mr. I's subsequent resignation after 1 horrendous year with numerous absences, we have overwhelming evidence that this was the wrong choice.

ANY one of the other 3 would be a fine choice. Taking over a team that has lost 26 in a row and is 3-47 over the past 5 years takes a lot of guts.
Graves has experience at Green and Springfield and has the respect of the kids. He would be an excellent choice. Bosco was the baseball coach and they seemed disciplined and had winning records. He also coached football at some level there at Springfield but I'm not sure where, but I heard he did ok. KV has experience at Ellet and I think Springfield and I know he is well liked by many.
It sounds like it's KV's job if he is already the AD. :angel:

I do agree with you 150% that the kids are very soft and that needs to change. I think Mr. I might have done ok if he could be there every day, but I think he couldn't because of location and health.
These kids need constant supervision, and they need to learn how to compete. I think you give it to the guy who can instill some discipline without chasing kids away.

[headhunter34]

I Dont see Graves nor Bosco getting the job. I predict a good outcome and I also agree they should clean house of every back stabbing person. Mr. Vaughn has been recruiting kids to play everyday, from scrop springhill, highschool.

[bulldogbacker]

HINT; a very change oriented guy.

Barack Obama?

[Jack32]

Graves, KV and Bosco all applied last year and lost out to Coach I. He asked them all to be on his staff and they all declined. None are qualified to a head coach or they would have gotten the job last year. KV could be a possibility, but he is also the new AD. That could be too much; first time AD and Head Coach in the same year.
As far as practices being easier; that may be. But these kids are so soft that they only hit once a week and many missed for "various reasons". Anything harder would have made it near impossible to suit up 11 for Friday night!

Emperior, if these three guys are leading candidates and you say that none of them are qualified to be head coach - does this mean Springfield is doomed again? Why do you say none of them are qualified to be head coach? I hear quite the contrary...and why are the kids so soft, why can't the coaches toughen the kids up? Is it the kids?..the parents? the coaches or the youth programs out there to blame? 3-37 the last four years! Are you kidding? and two of those wins came in one year. The Spartans haven't won a game in the last 24 games.
I also hear that Coach Bosco is the leading candidate - I believe he was the freshmen head coach a few years ago and won a championship in the NBC.

Springfield needs to get things turned around, the last few years there seems to be a lot of excitement that things have turned around and then the air gets let out of the balloon after game one and then before we know it the Spartans are 0-10.

[Emperior Ming]

I didn't say they are "leading candidates". They are just 3 teachers in the building who applied for the job last year. If they were actually "qualified to be the head coach", they would have gotten the job last year. None has ever been a co-ordinator on the varsity level, let alone a head coach. That is one reason why they are not qualified. They all had opportunities to coach at Springfield last year, but decided not to.

If you saw any of Springfield's practices last year, you would have seen how "soft" these kids were. What you saw on Friday nights (poor blocking and tackling) was an every day event during the week. Fundamental blocking and tackling were worked on every day in practice, but the kids just didn't like to hit! That is what happens when you don't have a 7th, 8th or 9th grade teams. Those JR High years are where these fundamentals should be taught. Instead, the kids play youth ball and everybody knows that if you have 1 or 2 studs in youth, you can have a winning team. The problem is that the other kids don't learn the fundamentals. Consiquently, when they get to the high school team, the coach has to back to the basics and they are too far behind to catch up.

Someone posted a while ago that it would take 3-5 years to turn things around at Springfield. I disagreed then, but now I do agree. It all has to start at home. Parents must be accountable for their kids' attendance at school, grades, eligibility, discipline and respect. The kids have to listen to their parents and put forth the effort. The commuinty has done its part. Now it is up the the individual parents and kids to do their part. But it WILL take time!

[Harold & Kumar]

Good luck to whomever gets this job. They will need it.

[Harold & Kumar]

Any of the three mentioned, if they are in the school will be better than the last coach. This program needs someone who can get on the kids every day and keep track of grades, discipline, and weight room. Good luck.

[bullgreen06]

I've known all about what's been going on down there for years. I've coached there for quite a while. The biggest problem the last few years was the director. He's gone now, but I really don't have much faith in the new director because he always seemed to be the old director's "Little Buddy". I don't think however the coaches are a part of the problem! I've coached with a lot of the guys down there, and for the most part, they're all pretty good coaches. I haven't always agreed with all of their decisions, but they are the ones giving up their free time and are there every night. (At least the ones I'm talking about were there every night) As far as the high school kids working out with or without a coach, at what point do we stop holding these kids hands. When I played it was an unwritten rule that if you played football you worked out ALL year round. We were tested, and that pretty well showed if we were logging our time in the weight room. We had a lifting coach, but it was our responsibilities to get our butts in the weight room and actually do the work. Lets quit blaming the coaches for everything. We need to instill some work ethics into these kids! Make them want to get better and stronger without having to constantly being pushed. Get them to push themselves.:soapbox:

buckeye 29 hit it right on the head, i also keep track of spartan football and would one day like to see them return to there glory days of winning football games, but from the youth up you need to change things. the current youth director is no better than the last one. you guys run good people off that know how to win and have a winning program. just a few for example ( craig kyser, scott kyser, bob parks, ken mason, matt dilauro, jim kubitza ) i think all of these guys have moved to other school districts and all came from springfield. its sad when you cant keep your own involved in your program. you guys also have a great coach that wanted to be part of the varsity program and help out with the weight program ( Les Cheney ) and they let him go. he was a big part of the success and strength of spartan football many years. i hope KV can change things i really do

[Irish87]

Just to set the record straight, Scott Kyser is still in the Township. He and a few others left Youth Football because their kids wanted to play Fall baseball. He was not run out. Scott has been asked to come back numeerous times but his children wanted to play baseball instead. This had nothing to do with being run out. He is a good coach and is welcome back, anytime. I do not know Mason or Craig Kyser so I will not comment on them, but I'm pretty sure Parks, Matt Dillauro and Kubitza all moved out of the region which is the reason they are not involved with Springfield Youth any longer.

SSYF does not have a problem with any of the gentlmen mentioned. If any of them wanted to return to Youth, I'm sure there would be a spot open for them.

[Irish87]

I didn't say they are "leading candidates". They are just 3 teachers in the building who applied for the job last year. If they were actually "qualified to be the head coach", they would have gotten the job last year. None has ever been a co-ordinator on the varsity level, let alone a head coach. That is one reason why they are not qualified. They all had opportunities to coach at Springfield last year, but decided not to.

If you saw any of Springfield's practices last year, you would have seen how "soft" these kids were. What you saw on Friday nights (poor blocking and tackling) was an every day event during the week. Fundamental blocking and tackling were worked on every day in practice, but the kids just didn't like to hit! That is what happens when you don't have a 7th, 8th or 9th grade teams. Those JR High years are where these fundamentals should be taught. Instead, the kids play youth ball and everybody knows that if you have 1 or 2 studs in youth, you can have a winning team. The problem is that the other kids don't learn the fundamentals. Consiquently, when they get to the high school team, the coach has to back to the basics and they are too far behind to catch up.

Someone posted a while ago that it would take 3-5 years to turn things around at Springfield. I disagreed then, but now I do agree. It all has to start at home. Parents must be accountable for their kids' attendance at school, grades, eligibility, discipline and respect. The kids have to listen to their parents and put forth the effort. The commuinty has done its part. Now it is up the the individual parents and kids to do their part. But it WILL take time!

Here we go again. Blame the Youth. The 7th and 8th grade teams over the years have been pretty successful and are taught proper mechanics and fundamentals of the game. Do not blame the Youth.

And having one stud on a Football Team, does not mean you can have a winning Team. if I remember correctly, Football is a Team sport.

However, I agree with the rest of your statements, just not the 2 mentioned above, sorry.

[rocket67]

Hey Irish you are correct I left Springfield because of the levy problems and I felt it was the best time to send my son to another school. I also have been asked to help coach at SSYF and would not only because I enjoy watching my son play the game.

[spartanmom12]

Here we go again. Blame the Youth. The 7th and 8th grade teams over the years have been pretty successful and are taught proper mechanics and fundamentals of the game. Do not blame the Youth.

And having one stud on a Football Team, does not mean you can have a winning Team. if I remember correctly, Football is a Team sport.

However, I agree with the rest of your statements, just not the 2 mentioned above, sorry.
One overage stud , does that clear things up for ya.

[spartan71]

Hey Irish you are correct I left Springfield because of the levy problems and I felt it was the best time to send my son to another school. I also have been asked to help coach at SSYF and would not only because I enjoy watching my son play the game.
the rocket returns!! hey i owe you something when can we hook up so i can pay up?:shrug:

[Buckeye29]

I also left because of the levy problems. I use to think it was just the older residents of Springfield defeating the levies, but then I heard from 3 or 4 guys my age with kids in the system that refused to vote for them. It just seemed too hopeless. That kills me because I really do bleed red & gray. I'll always be a Spartan at heart! I also have problems with my ex, so I was fighting a war on two different fronts.......not much fun, for me or my kids. I will always be an advocate for Springfield and do whatever I can to help out!

[spartan71]

i believe mason and parks left 5 or 6 years ago when the last director (vern) took over no one involved now has chased anybody out, :cool: now some people have left for higher coaching positions but thats hardly chasing them out..

something that bugs me about emperor mings comment is that we don't teach fundimentals in the youth i have to disagree we hammer them the best we can in 2 hours 4 nights a week along with teaching offensive plays, defensive schemes, special teams, stretching routines you know what all is involved, allot just to make your team respectable on gameday. i would love to have a chance to coach youth players in a 2 a day type of practice schedule, time is the great enemy when coaching @ the youth level. Now some kids you really cannot teach them proper fundimentals because they are timid and scared to hit these players we do not give up on because they are the reason i love coaching in youth, to me it is most satisfying to see a kid who has been soft all of his or her football career have that MOMENT where the lights finally come on and he lights someone up and makes that step up to the next level. to me teaching kids to work hard and progress is what youth is all about. i think any coach will agree with me, the feeling inside that you get watching your players make steps forward is the reason we all volunteer our time and hearts to these young kids (and also its the greatest team sport ever played):)

[spartan71]

Bullgreen,
Les Cheney taught me more about playing outside linebacker in one practice than i learned in the previous 10 years but for some reason i can't remember anything because i spent 2 hours strait taking on pulling guards and fullbacks:confused: i think i was playing football.... thank god for tylenol... but seriously he was a great coach and a better person and he was the face of springfield football for many years he should be in our hall of fame...

[headhunter34]

Let me take this subject to a new level. I believe when a child hits 7th grade he should be involved with the high school organization. This is when a child really starts to understand the game of football. When a child is placed into a more controlled environment his skills are greatly improved. I have been to many jr high ball games with 7th 8th graders, then going to a varsity game @ the youth. Its like night and day. The difference in the skill level is ridiculous. I feel the youth is taking potentially good players and restricting there ability to excel. Here's my example; put a fish in a fish bowl. The fish will only grow to the size of which its environment lets it. My logic is that a kid can only get as good as his environment lets him. If he decides to play with the smaller group of kids then he will not learn how to handle a 175 pound linemen come freshman time. And the way the turn out is with that is ,we wont be able to field a freshman team anyway. So then that youth experience sure isn't going to get him a spot on the jv squad unless he has the rawest of raw talent, but don't take my word for it. So there is my breakdown. If you are making your child play youth, then make sure you tell him why and what his future will be come 9th grade.

[bullgreen06]

i did say that the youth ran them off, i will take that back. what im saying is springfield unfortunately loses good coaches whether it be because of the school levy or they move to another school distict. they still all moved to be in a better school district and thats what is sad, springfield use to be a great school and i really hope it will be again some day. and i heard that scott kyser is still in springfield but his sons go to Lake Christian schools.

[bullgreen06]

and i hope someone over there can get Les Cheney back and involved in the football program

[Irish87]

i did say that the youth ran them off, i will take that back. what im saying is springfield unfortunately loses good coaches whether it be because of the school levy or they move to another school distict. they still all moved to be in a better school district and thats what is sad, springfield use to be a great school and i really hope it will be again some day. and i heard that scott kyser is still in springfield but his sons go to Lake Christian schools.

I 100% agree with that statement. Until they pass a Levy, good kids and athletes will continue to leave for greener pasteurs(sp).
Scott is coaching mys sons baseball team in Springfield, but you could be right about his kids attending a different school. I wasn't aware of that.

[spartan71]

good point headhunter let me give you another scenario i have seen first hand every year i have coached, 7th and 8th graders who have never played before sent to me on the jv team from the varsity and literally it was hazardous for them to be on the field playing against 5th and 6th graders because they lacked skill for one and or two they did not have an aggressive bone in their body these kids either have not matured yet or are just plain out are lost when it comes to the game if they were told they had to play at the jh level they probably would not be football players and alot of these same boys are the ones who by the end of the season become key players for a youth team. now that kid can stand on the sideline or be a tackling dummie for jh all year or they can play youth and get confidence and game experiance if a 7th grader cant handle a experianced 5th grader what are his chances of making it thru a grueling jh season with out quiting or getting hurt?? with that being said there are some kids in youth who would do fine in jh so whats the ultimate solution?? i believe the youth program in springfield is now poised to do what kv wants us to and we want to be the leaders that streamline the youth with the highschool and i believe this will happen soon.. i'm not sure what the final program will look like but we are all in agreement on the SSYF board that springfield now has a AD who we can and will work with.

[Irish87]

Let me take this subject to a new level. I believe when a child hits 7th grade he should be involved with the high school organization. This is when a child really starts to understand the game of football. When a child is placed into a more controlled environment his skills are greatly improved. I have been to many jr high ball games with 7th 8th graders, then going to a varsity game @ the youth. Its like night and day. The difference in the skill level is ridiculous. I feel the youth is taking potentially good players and restricting there ability to excel. Here's my example; put a fish in a fish bowl. The fish will only grow to the size of which its environment lets it. My logic is that a kid can only get as good as his environment lets him. If he decides to play with the smaller group of kids then he will not learn how to handle a 175 pound linemen come freshman time. And the way the turn out is with that is ,we wont be able to field a freshman team anyway. So then that youth experience sure isn't going to get him a spot on the jv squad unless he has the rawest of raw talent, but don't take my word for it. So there is my breakdown. If you are making your child play youth, then make sure you tell him why and what his future will be come 9th grade.

Headhunter, although I don't necessarily agree with your statements above, I do respect your opinion. Its good to see someone show a logical explanation of their reasoning.

[bullgreen06]

Let me take this subject to a new level. I believe when a child hits 7th grade he should be involved with the high school organization. This is when a child really starts to understand the game of football. When a child is placed into a more controlled environment his skills are greatly improved. I have been to many jr high ball games with 7th 8th graders, then going to a varsity game @ the youth. Its like night and day. The difference in the skill level is ridiculous. I feel the youth is taking potentially good players and restricting there ability to excel. Here's my example; put a fish in a fish bowl. The fish will only grow to the size of which its environment lets it. My logic is that a kid can only get as good as his environment lets him. If he decides to play with the smaller group of kids then he will not learn how to handle a 175 pound linemen come freshman time. And the way the turn out is with that is ,we wont be able to field a freshman team anyway. So then that youth experience sure isn't going to get him a spot on the jv squad unless he has the rawest of raw talent, but don't take my word for it. So there is my breakdown. If you are making your child play youth, then make sure you tell him why and what his future will be come 9th grade.

i understand what your saying headhunter, i was a kid that played for springfield and was very fast and was told i needed to play for the JH because coaches would respect that more, so i did.. i ended up quiting ( my bad choice ) and wished i would have played for doug whited at the youth varsity. i think each kid grows at differant speeds. i was one of the fastest and bigger kids at the time, but at high school level i didnt grow much and ended up getting hurt and not playing my senior year at green, on the other hand a kid younger than me Jesse Mason who did play for youth varsity and his team went to the national champship ( a memory i wish i had ) and then started at the varsity level as a sophmore so it depends on the individual. ... but the point is all my life i was told i would be a great football player and now football isnt a part of my life at all. leave it to your kids to play what they want to play and have fun

[Emperior Ming]

One overage stud , does that clear things up for ya.
You said it for me, spartanmom, but I will do you one better...
If the "overage stud" in mention was not on that youth team last year, how many games do you think they would have won? Then again, if there was a 7th/8th grade team, he would have been ineligible there too, but not because of age, but because of grades.

[Emperior Ming]

Here we go again. Blame the Youth. The 7th and 8th grade teams over the years have been pretty successful and are taught proper mechanics and fundamentals of the game. Do not blame the Youth.

And having one stud on a Football Team, does not mean you can have a winning Team. if I remember correctly, Football is a Team sport.

However, I agree with the rest of your statements, just not the 2 mentioned above, sorry.

I am not blaming the youth league, just pointing out a fact. That fact is on the youth level, having one stud DOES mean you can have a winning team.

Proper mechanics and fundamentals are things like how to get in the correct stance (offensively AND defensively), step with the correct foot, keep your head up when tackling, don't go to your knees, how to hold the ball when running...just to mention a few. Are these taught at the youth level?
Every varsity head coach wants his 7th, 8th, 9th grade teams teaching these and not worring so much about wins or losses.

[rocket67]

hey 71 anytime you want to pay up. I was ready to send the family looking for you. I prefer it to be chilled

[Irish87]

I am not blaming the youth league, just pointing out a fact. That fact is on the youth level, having one stud DOES mean you can have a winning team.

Proper mechanics and fundamentals are things like how to get in the correct stance (offensively AND defensively), step with the correct foot, keep your head up when tackling, don't go to your knees, how to hold the ball when running...just to mention a few. Are these taught at the youth level?
Every varsity head coach wants his 7th, 8th, 9th grade teams teaching these and not worring so much about wins or losses.

Absolutely, these are taught in Youth. These are some of the first things you teach a kid, every single year. They drilled into a kids head, day after day after day. If you are not teaching these things as well as many other proper techniques and fundamentals, you don't deserve to be coaching. I'd like to invite you down to our practices this season, and you can see for yourself.

Having one stud makes things easier for you as a coach, but it does not translate into wins automatically. It concerns me that you even think this way. As stated earlier, Football is a team sport and takes every player on the field, to produce wins. Unfortunately, it does sound like you are blaming the Youth, because you continue to try and use them as examples, but provide no support to your accusations.

[Emperior Ming]

Email me Irish87...I won't bite! LOL

[wildcat62]

Guys , (and Girls) I know I'm not involved in Springfield's football program , but anyone , and I mean anyone who has been to a Jr. high game has to be able to see that it is pitiful compared to the competitive environment in youth. Why can't Springfields youth teams do what we do and run the same offense and defense every year that the high school runs and split the kids with the jr. high? I think it's a simple solution. in my opinion you need to recycle some of the great talent that has played in Springfield to coach the youth. traditionally they were a power , and that's what those guys can bring. Just my opinion.

[Irish87]

Wildcat,

since your not as close to things, as some of the Posters on here are, I'll give you a short summary, from how I see things, on your questions.

The problem with running the same Offense/Defense that the High School runs, is consistency. As mentioned before, Springfield has gone through, this will be their 4 Head Coach in 6 years with the longest Term being held for 3. When Mazur came on board, 5 years ago, a Playbook was given to the Youth for reference. Well the problem was, Mazur was going to the Spread Offense which is difficult to execute properly at the HS level, let alone the Youth level. So, some of us coaches took a little from his playbook and incorporated it into what was already in place. Well, the next year, Mazur changed Offenses and went exclusivley to the Wing T. Well again, us coaches had to change our style. We again, took a little from that years playbook and incorporated it into our Offense. In Mazur's 3rd year as Coach at the HS, he pretty much changed again and usedd a little bit from the previous 2 years and added some "I" formation sets. Well once again, us coaches adjusted our plays to match some of what they ran. After Mazur left for greener pasteurs, Coach I came in with a base style "I" formation set which wasn't a problem for us. The problem was, I think Coach I was so busy getting acclamated with his new team, that the Youth was kinda left out. There was no communication between both sides and the Youth Camp that was supposed to held by the HS, was pretty much cancelled. I'm not going to go into the hold ordeal, but as you can see, with new Coaches so often, its hard to have faith in what is going to happen the next year, so the confidence began to suffer between the 2 sides. If anyone remembers plaing the varsity last year, you would have noticed, that the style of Offense we ran was a mix of the past 4 years of what the HS ran, Wing T, "I" and shotgun Spread.

2nd point, again, I think most communities struggle between where they want their kids to play, JH or Youth. Over the last few years, there was a little more than usual, animosity between the 2 groups. One being, a powere struggle between JH Coaches and Youth coaches and another being inconsistency on if the JH will hae a Team. 2 years ago, Football was cut out altogether and last year, only 11 kids went out for JH. Again, I think we are getting back on track as the JH is committing to putting a Football Team on the field and the Youth will be working closer with that program to make the best of both Leagues.

The last comment about coaches, well in the past, we have and do have previous Football players from Springfield helping out. Last year, both our C Teams' Head Coach graduated in 87 from Springfield and went on to play football at Toledo. He will be back this year again to HC the B team. Last year, we had the Offensive Cooridinator from the JV Team, he graduated from SHS in 90(I think) with a few assistants from more current HS Teams helping out. He will be helping the Varsity this year. we also have a Line Coach helping the varsity Team who graduated in the mid to late 70's and will be back again this year. a few years ago, we had 3 - 4 others coaching, that were a part of the great teams from the 80's but they have since moved to other districts.

Many of these problems are being put behind us, as the Youth organization is trying to work with the new AD and HS to bring this community together. There are still a few sour grapes out there, but overall, we are trying to turn this thing around.

Sorry so long. Just got done with my 4th cup o coffee.

[spartanmom12]

You said it for me, spartanmom, but I will do you one better...
If the "overage stud" in mention was not on that youth team last year, how many games do you think they would have won? Then again, if there was a 7th/8th grade team, he would have been ineligible there too, but not because of age, but because of grades.
Shaq, who do you believe should be the head coach?

[spartanmom12]

I just wish the backstabbing within, would quit. http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee143/msauiucnawlinscrew/ali/IMG_0792.jpg

[GRPride86]

Does the back of that backstabbers shirt say "Islamic Compassion?

Hey, one good thing, at least he's doing it with a smile on his face.

[headhunter34]

Question; would anyone here think it would be a bad idea to let kids who cant make weight to go play @the byf for either Green or Ellet? Since there really isn't a whole bunch that would fall into that category, about 20 or so. I see these kids everyday and we do have some big ones @ Schrop..

[GRPride86]

I don't know what the rules are for that. The SL let's you do that, but I couldn't tell you if the BYF does the samething.

[Smashmouth#1]

Question; would anyone here think it would be a bad idea to let kids who cant make weight to go play @the byf for either Green or Ellet? Since there really isn't a whole bunch that would fall into that category, about 20 or so. I see these kids everyday and we do have some big ones @ Schrop..

If they are in middle school then why wouldnt they just play middle school ball???? Don't you guys have issues getting players for that team anyway?

Just to clarify, that's a serious question, not being a smarta--

[Irish87]

Question; would anyone here think it would be a bad idea to let kids who cant make weight to go play @the byf for either Green or Ellet? Since there really isn't a whole bunch that would fall into that category, about 20 or so. I see these kids everyday and we do have some big ones @ Schrop..

Headhunter,
as Smash pointed out, if these kids you are speaking of are in the 6th grade currently, they would be able to play for the Junior High next year. Why leave? Do me a favor, my son goes to schrop as well. I am not aware of 20
5th graders, that would be over 130 pounds. If you could, send me a PM with their names, don't post them on this Thread. I really don't think we have that many kids how would weigh more than 130, but am curious.

[spartan71]

If they are in middle school then why wouldnt they just play middle school ball???? Don't you guys have issues getting players for that team anyway?

Just to clarify, that's a serious question, not being a smarta--

middle school is 5th and 6th grade in springfield and there is no middle school team thank God...

[SPARTAN HOPE]

I think that if you cannot make weight (not even close), playing some football is better than none. If you are tying to take your kid there just because you have a problem with the way things were ran last year at SSYF, that is being immature. I don't agree with last year either, but my son is playing SSYF and see how it goes this year. Some people need to really look at what their kids are eating if they weigh that much. From a health stand point, you have a young heart carrying around a big body that is very dangerous. Kids don't do the shopping, it is up to the moms (or dads) to bring home better alternatives.

[spartan71]

well said...

[Smashmouth#1]

middle school is 5th and 6th grade in springfield and there is no middle school team thank God...

ok..........let me clarify, when I am referring to middle school, the majority consider that 7th and 8th grade.

I could also make a pretty bad comment there, just being a smarta-- but I'll digress.

[headhunter34]

Headhunter,
as Smash pointed out, if these kids you are speaking of are in the 6th grade currently, they would be able to play for the Junior High next year. Why leave? Do me a favor, my son goes to schrop as well. I am not aware of 20
5th graders, that would be over 130 pounds. If you could, send me a PM with their names, don't post them on this Thread. I really don't think we have that many kids how would weigh more than 130, but am curious.

Are you the athletic director? I thought Mr Ellis was your director. I cannot give info like that out unless the parents give consent. We can negotiate a flier to include a option for what best fits each player. I am not trying to remove kids from Springfield youth ,but to give the best option for a child to play within his age group.

[Irish87]

Are you the athletic director? I thought Mr Ellis was your director. I cannot give info like that out unless the parents give consent. We can negotiate a flier to include a option for what best fits each player. I am not trying to remove kids from Springfield youth ,but to give the best option for a child to play within his age group.

Sorry. I was just curious. :shrug:

You made it sound like you were not sure of the options for staying in Springfield. And I didn't think it was a crime, to ask what kids you were talking about, that were over 130 lbs. If you don't want to talk to me, I completely understand.

[Irish87]

Are you the athletic director? I thought Mr Ellis was your director.

.....and anyways, what the heck does that have to do with anything anyways?

[spartan71]

ok..........let me clarify, when I am referring to middle school, the majority consider that 7th and 8th grade.

I could also make a pretty bad comment there, just being a smarta-- but I'll digress. my bad smash 5th and 6th are the intermidiate school in springfield...

[spartan71]

Are you the athletic director? I thought Mr Ellis was your director. I cannot give info like that out unless the parents give consent. We can negotiate a flier to include a option for what best fits each player. I am not trying to remove kids from Springfield youth ,but to give the best option for a child to play within his age group.
i think irish is refering to the fact that he has coached baseball, football, and had a child wrestle and i can count on my fingers kids that fit into that catagory i would hope what you are saying is the case i just don't see it at least not from my experiance and i do pay attention to these kinds of things.

[Irish87]

You are correct Spaticus71.
If there are 20 kids, give or take, that are that heavy, and do not fit into the weight limits at Youth and Junior High program, I would like to talk to these kids! If this is the case, and we can get them out for JH or Youth Football, our future may be brighter than we think.

As I stated, all this was out of curiosity.

[spartanmom12]

I think that if you cannot make weight (not even close), playing some football is better than none. If you are tying to take your kid there just because you have a problem with the way things were ran last year at SSYF, that is being immature. I don't agree with last year either, but my son is playing SSYF and see how it goes this year. Some people need to really look at what their kids are eating if they weigh that much. From a health stand point, you have a young heart carrying around a big body that is very dangerous. Kids don't do the shopping, it is up to the moms (or dads) to bring home better alternatives.I do understand when a kid is 175lbs and 3foot 5, yea there is a problem. But keeping a kid out of jail should be in the best interest of the parent. Mc hammer, call me

[SPARTAN HOPE]

I have no idea what keeping a kid out of jail has to do with my comment! I hate MC Hammer and don't want to call you. I often wonder if you are under the influence of some unknown substance when you are typing, or just bi-polar!:shrug:

[spartanmom12]

I have no idea what keeping a kid out of jail has to do with my comment! I hate MC Hammer and don't want to call you. I often wonder if you are under the influence of some unknown substance when you are typing, or just bi-polar!:shrug: I'm just saying behavioral problems start in the home. Thank god I didn't pass these traits on to my children. Its all about setting an example. Not to mention alcoholics and addicts have been unknowingly passing the violent behavior of a continuous cycle. My question to you who's at fault? The child or you.

[SPARTAN HOPE]

I'm just saying behavioral problems start in the home. Thank god I didn't pass these traits on to my children. Its all about setting an example. Not to mention alcoholics and addicts have been unknowingly passing the violent behavior of a continuous cycle. My question to you who's at fault? The child or you.

WOW! Someone has been in therapy...I was only talking about grocery shopping for healthy food not addicts. I believe that as parents we are ultimately responsible for everything they do wrong and right.

[Smashmouth#1]

WOW! Someone has been in therapy...I was only talking about grocery shopping for healthy food not addicts. I believe that as parents we are ultimately responsible for everything they do wrong and right.

That's a quite unique point of view. So, if your kid does ANYTHING WRONG the parent is responsible. So kids are mind numbed robots that should be programmed to do whatever they are told. Now, even the best kids make mistakes, we are all human. We all make bad choices, and need to pay the consequenses. Kids are no exception. It's how we deal with the mistakes and what we learn from them that counts. With your thought process then children will never be taught personal responsibility and to account for their actions.

[GRPride86]

There's a new TV show on the "Springfield Network" called "Are You Tougher Than A Fifth Grader?"

Casting for the show starts next week.

[Irish87]

There are possible lawuits pending, so I really don't think this is a place where it should be discussed. Its a personal matter between the 2 parties.

[SPARTAN HOPE]

That's a quite unique point of view. So, if your kid does ANYTHING WRONG the parent is responsible. So kids are mind numbed robots that should be programmed to do whatever they are told. Now, even the best kids make mistakes, we are all human. We all make bad choices, and need to pay the consequenses. Kids are no exception. It's how we deal with the mistakes and what we learn from them that counts. With your thought process then children will never be taught personal responsibility and to account for their actions.

That is NOT what I am saying at all, I just mean that the base of a child's personality starts at home. We are responsible for giving them the tools to deal with life and it is up to them how they use them, we can only direct them. I will be the first to say my child has made some big mistakes at times, but he paid for them and learned from them.

[SPARTAN HOPE]

To some degree I feel what your saying. We have adults over here that believe its OK to assault other children in school. I guess a ruptured spleen, concussion and a broken rib is OK for a parent to to act like the kid deserved it. Did I also mention the boy who was hurt was very much on the small side. Now I really do understand why we have weight limits.

OMG! You should be ashamed of yourself for writing this crap! Kids make mistakes, I am sure you know that and what you are saying about these parents is very wrong...they are good people. When you start a sentence with " I guess", you probably shouldnt write it. Please try to hide your excitement over other peoples problems.

[1badspartan]

Graves, KV and Bosco all applied last year and lost out to Coach I. He asked them all to be on his staff and they all declined. None are qualified to a head coach or they would have gotten the job last year. KV could be a possibility, but he is also the new AD. That could be too much; first time AD and Head Coach in the same year.
As far as practices being easier; that may be. But these kids are so soft that they only hit once a week and many missed for "various reasons". Anything harder would have made it near impossible to suit up 11 for Friday night!

OK, but now that Kevin Vaughn who you say is not qualified to be a head coach is now the head coach, are you going to coach with him even when you know that he is not qualified? And have you expressed your feelings to him ? Because if I was the head coach I wouldn't want any jealousy or back stabbing going on in my locker room. That brings me to another question, are the kids still soft in the weight room? Seeing you have that area under control right?

[Irish87]

OK, but now that Kevin Vaughn who you say is not qualified to be a head coach is now the head coach, are you going to coach with him even when you know that he is not qualified? And have you expressed your feelings to him ? Because if I was the head coach I wouldn't want any jealousy or back stabbing going on in my locker room. That brings me to another question, are the kids still soft in the weight room? Seeing you have that area under control right?

1badspartan,

I don't think you really know who emperor ming is. And I don't think he was too far off with his comment about the kids being soft, because they were. It wasn't hard to see that every Friday night last year.

[1badspartan]

1badspartan,

I don't think you really know who emperor ming is. And I don't think he was too far off with his comment about the kids being soft, because they were. It wasn't hard to see that every Friday night last year. OH, YEA , I, DO know who he is. Spartanmom called him out a while ago, and has never been back since!

[Irish87]

Because if I was the head coach I wouldn't want any jealousy or back stabbing going on in my locker room.

1badspartan,

I think we should leave the hiring of Assistants to Coach Vaughn. I trust him to select a knowlegeable, trustworthy Staff, to bring this Team back to life. I think you should trust him also.

[1badspartan]

1badspartan,

I think we should leave the hiring of Assistants to Coach Vaughn. I trust him to select a knowlegeable, trustworthy Staff, to bring this Team back to life. I think you should trust him also.
OK, I will just sit back and let the ball roll another year. NOT! What are you kidding me. We have to make this organization transparent. If I was coaching again I would sure like to know who has been running there fat mouth behind my back telling people I am not qualified. Grow some will you, this program will not be held hostage by a flaming booster club no more.

[Irish87]

OK, I will just sit back and let the ball roll another year. NOT! What are you kidding me. We have to make this organization transparent. If I was coaching again I would sure like to know who has been running there fat mouth behind my back telling people I am not qualified. Grow some will you, this program will not be held hostage by a flaming booster club no more.

Understood, but I don't think you or I can tell the new Coach who they need to hire, nor would it do any good anyway. Sounds like you were involved at one time at the H.S. and you have inside information. Without knowing what you know, its difficult to comment so I won't. I would be upset also if people were talking behind my back.
Since I'm not sure who you are, not sure if I made any comments about your qualifications, but if I did, PM me, let me know who you are and I'll give my reasoning.

[1badspartan]

Understood, but I don't think you or I can tell the new Coach who they need to hire, nor would it do any good anyway. Sounds like you were involved at one time at the H.S. and you have inside information. Without knowing what you know, its difficult to comment so I won't. I would be upset also if people were talking behind my back.
Since I'm not sure who you are, not sure if I made any comments about your qualifications, but if I did, PM me, let me know who you are and I'll give my reasoning. This forum is about hiding your identity. I am not one to tell lies but I do like to tell it how it is. I have agreed with emperior before on things, but you have to hold people accountable for there actions. Please dont get me wrong, me and few supporters have felt this way for awhile. Every coach and member of spartan football be it flag coaches up to high school should be involved in maximizing the greatest potential these organizations have to offer. Everything has fallin into place for Vaughn to succeeed in a few years. BYF,jr high, pay to play, more parents getting involved.

[SPARTAN HOPE]

Instead of bashing the booster club, why don't we all try to become more involved with it. (work bingo, concession or team feeds) It is easy to make comments when you really don't know what people do for our kids. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to tell what family you are trying to bash when you mention coaching and the booster club. You are way off base and I refuse to believe anything you say about them. WHY does there always have to be a target or some drama from some of you people. This is what brings this community down and I am sick of it. :mad: We need positives not always negativity..how depressing.

[1badspartan]

Instead of bashing the booster club, why don't we all try to become more involved with it. (work bingo, concession or team feeds) It is easy to make comments when you really don't know what people do for our kids. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to tell what family you are trying to bash when you mention coaching and the booster club. You are way off base and I refuse to believe anything you say about them. WHY does there always have to be a target or some drama from some of you people. This is what brings this community down and I am sick of it. :mad: We need positives not always negativity..how depressing.
Tell me were I have lied, and I will stop. I will also go on record while still being in cognito that the coaches are afraid to p off the booster club.

[SPARTAN HOPE]

Not interested in pointing out your lies or anybody elses. I am just saying that there is no reason to try to target these people who do so much. If there is a problem, I am sure that KV will address it since he is qualified to do so. I am sure there is a paper trail for everything they do. If the coaches are afraid of the booster club---who's the flamers now.:shrug:
There is nothing wrong with asking questions, but making back door allegations is ed...

[spartan71]

This forum is about hiding your identity. I am not one to tell lies but I do like to tell it how it is. I have agreed with emperior before on things, but you have to hold people accountable for there actions. Please dont get me wrong, me and few supporters have felt this way for awhile. Every coach and member of spartan football be it flag coaches up to high school should be involved in maximizing the greatest potential these organizations have to offer. Everything has fallin into place for Vaughn to succeeed in a few years. BYF,jr high, pay to play, more parents getting involved. true to a point i have known who you were for a while now, do i want to out you? no i find you effective in a sadomasicist way, but now the table is set as you say for vaughn to turn us around but we have forgot one small detail.. the levy!! we need to pass this thing or all of this will be for nothing and springfields future will remain unclear.

are there any updates on current numbers for football? i heard 65 kids showed up for vaughns first meeting after being annouced as hc that sounds great i hope even more come out i would hope for 65 just on varsity those are the types of numbers that will turn this program around we have the kids and talent in this township to pound the so called premier teams that surround us we just dont believe in ourselves as a group and it trickles down from disgrunteled parents to the kids who feel no tradition or pride in being a spartan. we have the best possible scenario set up now in springfield from youth all the way up with KV being announced HC. now its time for all the taxpayers to invest in the future of springfield. on a side note springfield needs to get rid of the stalin like regime at schrop intermediate school :mad: they are chasing away as many families as the levy situation...JMO

[SPARTAN HOPE]

Do you know what a tramp stamp is? I just got this gut feeling**

Oh, I am sure you have a big gut, but about your stamp comment..NO I don't have one. I just have an opinion on what I have encountered with the booster club and cleaning house is not the answer. You need to find another cause to benefit you.

[1badspartan]

true to a point i have known who you were for a while now, do i want to out you? no i find you effective in a sadomasicist way, but now the table is set as you say for vaughn to turn us around but we have forgot one small detail.. the levy!! we need to pass this thing or all of this will be for nothing and springfields future will remain unclear.

are there any updates on current numbers for football? i heard 65 kids showed up for vaughns first meeting after being annouced as hc that sounds great i hope even more come out i would hope for 65 just on varsity those are the types of numbers that will turn this program around we have the kids and talent in this township to pound the so called premier teams that surround us we just dont believe in ourselves as a group and it trickles down from disgrunteled parents to the kids who feel no tradition or pride in being a spartan. we have the best possible scenario set up now in springfield from youth all the way up with KV being announced HC. now its time for all the taxpayers to invest in the future of springfield. on a side note springfield needs to get rid of the stalin like regime at schrop intermediate school :mad: they are chasing away as many families as the levy situation...JMO

Keep Schrop out of it. .................................................. ........................................

[SPARTAN HOPE]

I was thinking about that behind shot, and I must say I was hoping the stamp that I remember was you. Football team needs equal support from the booster club. The band is not the future of SHS. Football has to be the main priority period, at this moment.

Sorry, I have more class than to take a pic of my stamp (if I had one). In order for the football team to ensure they get equal support, the parents need to make a stand and show up as volunteers and show up at meetings to voice our opinions on things.

[spartanmom12]

Sorry, I have more class than to take a pic of my stamp (if I had one). In order for the football team to ensure they get equal support, the parents need to make a stand and show up as volunteers and show up at meetings to voice our opinions on things. You need to get off on another thread. This is my terrritory b!@#*.

[SPARTAN HOPE]

This isnt your thread and your mental illness is no excuse for name calling, so be careful. Portage Path is just a phone call away. :crush: You may want to get with Badspartan, I heard misery loves company...I am sure your both single.

[Buckeye29]

This could be a good fund raiser. You two could mud wrestle or something. All I know is someone better turn our highschool around because I've been talking a lot of crap to all the Green guys.

[Baller]

You guys have a football team? WOW

[Buckeye29]

You guys have a football team? WOW

Hey Baller, if you want to come over here and throw down you got to bring it!
This last comment was pathetic. No imagination at all!! I expect a little more from you than that. Next time bring it harder or it want be worth my time to respond to you!:cool: