Wanted Youth coaches

[1badspartan]

Email springfieldspartans2008@yahoo.com, We will send out application for coaching 1-2 3-4 5-6 grades. This is for BYF only. This is your chance to be a coach. We think this will hold more coaches accountable and will perform better. There will be 5 spots available for each grade. One head and 4 assistant. Please only apply if you can dedicate your time. Papers will also be sent home with your children. We would like to thank the teachers and students for the support that we have been getting. We are having assemblies at the jr high and schrop. Free pizza and a speaker from the BYF league will be at the event. We will answer any questions you may have.

Thank you

[Smashmouth#1]

I find it amazing that you must go outside of Springfield to 2 other communities if you truely have all of the support that you claim. I wonder how that makes those dedicated to your community feel if you obviously dont feel that you have enough qualified individuals in your own community......interesting.

[Smashmouth#1]

Hey if that last post got deleted, sorry I thought I didn't post it on here.

[Omni-Spartan]

where will the byf be holding practice and games next year??

[1badspartan]

where will the byf be holding practice and games next year??

schrop, were else,.

[green pride]

You might want to check this.

schrop, were else,.

[1badspartan]

You might want to check this.

Dont need to, my grandma and grandpa run the fields.

[Irish87]

schrop, were else,.

See, this is what will split the Community, conflicting information. I was already told, Springfield Youth Football has permission to use the fields at Schrop. What gives? :shrug:

[thepolster]

See, this is what will split the Community, conflicting information. I was already told, Springfield Youth Football has permission to use the fields at Schrop. What gives? :shrug:

Really 87, nobody's splitting nowhere. The same people are going to talk to the same people they have always talked to. You know me and you know I could care less who I make mad. You guys take it way to personal. My stance is to help our community. All it boils down to is a power struggle. Eds got the gyf director telling him one thing and the high school telling him another. Why would you go against what your high school and other officials want done? I guess a director of youth knows more about football than a head coach, athletic director, superintendent, and a proven winning coach that he himself has got knowledge from. It boggles my mind. Listen to the people in Springfield's community that doesn't have a thing to gain except Springfield football program and the kids who have been left out not being able to play.

[Irish87]

My point about splitting the community stems from conflicting information. One League saying one thing, and the other saying something different. What is the truth? Who has the Fields? I'm just trying to find out facts. I'm not taking anything personal.

From what I hear and read, the power struggle seems to be coming from the High School. They want total control of the kids, fields and structure. What I don't understand is their logic. Why not improve what is already in place? Why do we have to have a separate 7th and separate 8th grade team? Nobody wants to address the issue of, if a Levy fails again and Sports is cut from the Jr. High. What then? Its going to happen and when it does, Football will be gone, once again. If they want input, on how things are/were ran in Youth, why not ask to get involved. I don't think the new Director would object to running the High Schools' style of play. I know if the HS Coach approached me, I'd be willing to listen and input many of the things they do. Keep in mind, it is a new Director. The previous Director was not willing to hear them out, I understand that. But new blood means new train of thoughts.

I do understand the issue they(SHS and BYF) have with weight limitations. Its a valid concern. From what I'm told, Suburban Youth Football, is addressing these issues and major changes could be coming.

[GRPride86]

Why not contact the Super, AD and High School coach and have a community meeting. They can answer any and all questions and the people can have their input, that is, "Springfield" people. Obviously they are trying to get things done and Irish you bring up a good point, what if the levy fails, does that mean an end to football at the Jr. High? Ask the Super and the AD, not anybody else. They are the ones that are going to be responsible for the future of Sprinfield football.

[thepolster]

Why not contact the Super, AD and High School coach and have a community meeting. They can answer any and all questions and the people can have their input, that is, "Springfield" people. Obviously they are trying to get things done and Irish you bring up a good point, what if the levy fails, does that mean an end to football at the Jr. High? Ask the Super and the AD, not anybody else. They are the ones that are going to be responsible for the future of Sprinfield football.

I dont see were the levy comes into play. We have 4 very good coaches donating there time. The kids have to pay 150.00 to play which if everything turns out right they wont have to.

[Irish87]

I don't doubt their ability to Coach. I'm sure they will do very well. The issue is, our schools are in Financial Emergency. Pay to play was put in a few years ago, to try and get by, without having to cut Athletics. It seems Springfield has made as many cuts as they can, to try and stay in the black. So far, they have been able to do this by cutting busing, cutting out some classes, cutting employees and selling off abandoned buildings(older schools). This has enabled them to get by this year. In the near future, they will be out of options, as far as cuts go. They have cut down to the bare minimum already. One of the last steps, is to cut out all Sports and extra-curricular activites associated with the schools. The State is one or two more failed Levies away, from coming in a taking over. I'm not sure when they will be able to put a School Levy back on the ballot, but I think it may be in 2008. If or when this fails, I can see the scenario described above, happening. If and when that happens, SSYF will still be able to function and allow something for the kids to do, because it is a non-profit organization and costs the schools nothing.
Again, I'm not trying the argue anything about this issue, simply making sure everyone has thought out their actions, and are looking toward the future of the kids, as well as the present. I'm pretty sure our director has had a meeting with the Super and the other people mentioned, but I will double check and see if there is anything planned for the Public. if anything, maybe I go to the next School board meeting and ask the question.

[thepolster]

I don't doubt their ability to Coach. I'm sure they will do very well. The issue is, our schools are in Financial Emergency. Pay to play was put in a few years ago, to try and get by, without having to cut Athletics. It seems Springfield has made as many cuts as they can, to try and stay in the black. So far, they have been able to do this by cutting busing, cutting out some classes, cutting employees and selling off abandoned buildings(older schools). This has enabled them to get by this year. In the near future, they will be out of options, as far as cuts go. They have cut down to the bare minimum already. One of the last steps, is to cut out all Sports and extra-curricular activites associated with the schools. The State is one or two more failed Levies away, from coming in a taking over. I'm not sure when they will be able to put a School Levy back on the ballot, but I think it may be in 2008. If or when this fails, I can see the scenario described above, happening. If and when that happens, SSYF will still be able to function and allow something for the kids to do, because it is a non-profit organization and costs the schools nothing.
Again, I'm not trying the argue anything about this issue, simply making sure everyone has thought out their actions, and are looking toward the future of the kids, as well as the present. I'm pretty sure our director has had a meeting with the Super and the other people mentioned, but I will double check and see if there is anything planned for the Public. if anything, maybe I go to the next School board meeting and ask the question.

count me in

[green1965champs]

Why not contact the Super, AD and High School coach and have a community meeting. They can answer any and all questions and the people can have their input, that is, "Springfield" people. Obviously they are trying to get things done and Irish you bring up a good point, what if the levy fails, does that mean an end to football at the Jr. High? Ask the Super and the AD, not anybody else. They are the ones that are going to be responsible for the future of Sprinfield football.

Your levy issues are doing very well from what I have read in the suburbanite. If coaches are willing to coach with no pay then I don't see what the problem is. One fundraiser will pay for the team to pay for busing. Its not hard I have done it. All you have to do is quit talking about it and do something about it. gr86 is absolutely right, get your community informed and a change will happen. Like I said I have had my hand in the cookie jar many times.

[SPARTICUS8]

All I know is SYF has the permission slip for field usage from the schools as SYF not BYF get your facts straight.

[green1965champs]

All I know is SYF has the permission slip for field usage from the schools as SYF not BYF get your facts straight.

The A.D. must of signed off then if you have a permission slip. WELL DONE!

[SPARTICUS8]

The AD doesn't assign fields.

[green1965champs]

The AD doesn't assign fields.

So this means your skipping over the A.D. {Kevin Vaughn-- and proceeding without him signing off. Furthermore telling him and the high school coach you are sticking to the syfl. Its not a hard question to answer. YES or NO

[Yappi]

So this means your skipping over the A.D. {Kevin Vaughn-- and proceeding without him signing off. Furthermore telling him and the high school coach you are sticking to the syfl. Its not a hard question to answer. YES or NO

Skipping? I doubt the AD has control over facilities. I'm sure that Springfield has someone in charge of renting/leasing school property and I can't imagine that the AD who oversees 7th-12th grade sports would be that person.

[GRPride86]

So Don Seeker doesn't oversee all Tallmadge athletic facilities like Overdale field? I thought in the past we had to get permission to make major upgrades or changes to the field and split funding for certain projects.

Sometimes I even think we would get in trouble if we mowed the grass, since it was a school employees job to do that.

If the field is located on school property, I don't see how the AD wouldn't be involved.

[green1965champs]

Skipping? I doubt the AD has control over facilities. I'm sure that Springfield has someone in charge of renting/leasing school property and I can't imagine that the AD who oversees 7th-12th grade sports would be that person.

I have talked to a person and I was told there is another person who schedules fields. But, the athletic director ultimately signs off. And my understanding he is not at all happy. just my opinion

If the byfl isn't in place for the 2008 season it will be for 2009. From what I also been told is more than half the coaches will not be returning and the ones that are putting a resistance up for the byfl have the smaller under developed kid.

Now the syfl is changing the weight limits. But again are not giving every kid a opportunity to play football. My grandson gets to play every down because of byfl. I know hes not the best player out there but he finally plays every down on 5th 6th jv. I can see him and my other grandson going head to head at a Springfield and Green high school game.

[Smashmouth#1]

If the byfl isn't in place for the 2008 season it will be for 2009. From what I also been told is more than half the coaches will not be returning and the ones that are putting a resistance up for the byfl have the smaller under developed kid.

Sounds like you guys don't have all the support here that you claim. You are speculating about coaches here as though it were a fact again, nice job.



Now the syfl is changing the weight limits. But again are not giving every kid a opportunity to play football. My grandson gets to play every down because of byfl. I know hes not the best player out there but he finally plays every down on 5th 6th jv. I can see him and my other grandson going head to head at a Springfield and Green high school game.

Here, again, you are speculating about the SYFL. No changes have been put in place. Not a single one of the kids on my team this year got to play every down. They didn't have too. They all got a break if and when they needed it. One kid playing every down all year seems a little unfair to other kids doesn't it? By your own words, you dont seem to realize that football is a team sport and therefore not only about your kids or grandkids.....wait...GRANDKIDS? before you stated that you had a kid in the SYFL....not a GRANDKID........which is it?.....both? ........the more all of you guys seem to talk the more you seem to shoot yourselves in the foot because you state things as if they were one way and then a little later, the truth comes out......I've called several of you on it, and, although, you attempt to then not respond, change the argument, attack me personally, or make a haphazard attempt to validate your comments.....it' s here for everyone to see.....interesting.

[Irish87]

Your levy issues are doing very well from what I have read in the suburbanite. If coaches are willing to coach with no pay then I don't see what the problem is. One fundraiser will pay for the team to pay for busing. Its not hard I have done it. All you have to do is quit talking about it and do something about it. gr86 is absolutely right, get your community informed and a change will happen. Like I said I have had my hand in the cookie jar many times.

You have no idea. :rolleyes: Did you forget, all Youth Coaches do not get paid either. What difference does it make.
Its that simple huh? Try explaining that to the thousands of Senior Citizens, who live on fixed incomes, and can not come up with the additional money for rising taxes. Don't you think if it were that simple, we could have passed a Levy by now? I think the community is very much aware of the situation by now, and have their minds made up.

[Irish87]

I have talked to a person and I was told there is another person who schedules fields. But, the athletic director ultimately signs off. And my understanding he is not at all happy. just my opinion

If the byfl isn't in place for the 2008 season it will be for 2009. From what I also been told is more than half the coaches will not be returning and the ones that are putting a resistance up for the byfl have the smaller under developed kid.

I don't think the AD has been issued both sides to the story here. From what I heard, he was pro-actively approached by BYF, and was only give their side of things. I know him personally and will be glad to sit down with him, and fill him in on all the happenings in SSYF, and why SSYF is so resistant.

What difference does it make, that someones child is smaller, and is resistant to the BYF? If you send me a PM, and advise who you are talking about, I will gladly look into it and get you an accurate asessment of their opinions.

[Yappi]

As busy as Seeker is, I doubt he would want to be dealing with such minor issues like this. I believe Tallmadge deals with Don Johnson, the business director, on these issues.

So Don Seeker doesn't oversee all Tallmadge athletic facilities like Overdale field? I thought in the past we had to get permission to make major upgrades or changes to the field and split funding for certain projects.

Sometimes I even think we would get in trouble if we mowed the grass, since it was a school employees job to do that.

If the field is located on school property, I don't see how the AD wouldn't be involved.

[GRPride86]

Don Seeker does alot of the little things. He was painting the weightroom this weekend at the high school.

A couple of years ago I saw him painting the bleachers at the main field. I'm sure he has something to say about the facilities.

[Irish87]

Don Seeker does alot of the little things. He was painting the weightroom this weekend at the high school.

A couple of years ago I saw him painting the bleachers at the main field. I'm sure he has something to say about the facilities.

I think the point is, if the AD wants to back and support a new Youth Football league, then he should be able to find a new Field for this new League to play on, not take the field away from another Township League. After all, the Junior High has plenty enough property to hold games and practices. I don't think preventing an established, non-profit organization from continued participation in SYF would be in his best interest. If he wants to back a new League, and he has as many powers as stated on here, then he should be able to find new fields for this League. Just my opinion.

[Yappi]

Don Seeker does alot of the little things. He was painting the weightroom this weekend at the high school.

A couple of years ago I saw him painting the bleachers at the main field. I'm sure he has something to say about the facilities.

Donnie does a ton for Tallmadge and I'm sure he would do whatever he could if someone asked, but, he has to draw the line somewhere or his job would never be done. Same with Ferguson, Householder, and the new principal, they would all have a say but the final decision and requests should go to the business director.

I know a few coaches that appreciate the youth programs and how they feed the high school but they can't stand the politics and would rather not get involved. Next time you hear about a coach not getting involved in the youth programs, look no further than this type of political division for the reason they don't get involved. I'm sure the AD and head football coach in Springfield are doing what they feel is best for the future of the program but I suspect neither will be there in 7-10 years when all the kids get up to the high school.

[Buckeye29]

You have no idea. :rolleyes: Did you forget, all Youth Coaches do not get paid either. What difference does it make.
Its that simple huh? a LeTry explaining that to the thousands of Senior Citizens, who live on fixed incomes, and can not come up with the additional money for rising taxes. Don't you think if it were that simple, we could have passed vy by now? I think the community is very much aware of the situation by now, and have their minds made up.

It's not just senoir citizens that are killing our levies. It's also guys with kids in the system. If we could get them to vote for it, a levy could pass.

[Buckeye29]

I think the point is, if the AD wants to back and support a new Youth Football league, then he should be able to find a new Field for this new League to play on, not take the field away from another Township League. After all, the Junior High has plenty enough property to hold games and practices. I don't think preventing an established, non-profit organization from continued participation in SYF would be in his best interest. If he wants to back a new League, and he has as many powers as stated on here, then he should be able to find new fields for this League. Just my opinion.

What's wrong with one of the leagues using the high school field? When I played youth ball we played all our home games on the high school field. Just a thought.

[1badspartan]

Donnie does a ton for Tallmadge and I'm sure he would do whatever he could if someone asked, but, he has to draw the line somewhere or his job would never be done. Same with Ferguson, Householder, and the new principal, they would all have a say but the final decision and requests should go to the business director.

I know a few coaches that appreciate the youth programs and how they feed the high school but they can't stand the politics and would rather not get involved. Next time you hear about a coach not getting involved in the youth programs, look no further than this type of political division for the reason they don't get involved. I'm sure the AD and head football coach in Springfield are doing what they feel is best for the future of the program but I suspect neither will be there in 7-10 years when all the kids get up to the high school.

OK, I hear about these kids dads coaching youth, crying about why the high school never gets involved. Well ,now that they are asking the youth director to change because its in the best interest of the high school feeder program they are all saying they shouldn't have a say in the youth decisions.

If you call that politics I call it bull. What gives? Most of these coaches at the youth are only looking out for the best interest of there own kids. What will the youth do when only a handful of kids come out for varsity and jv next year? Instead of helping our community your keeping the football program from progressing into something great.

The small kid youth league I guarantee will fall in the next three to five years. Its a matter of time before syfl runs out of ways to copy the byfl before they become them.

[Smashmouth#1]

OK, I hear about these kids dads coaching youth, crying about why the high school never gets involved. Well ,now that they are asking the youth director to change because its in the best interest of the high school feeder program they are all saying they shouldn't have a say in the youth decisions. .

hmmmm.....................unique


If you call that politics I call it bull. What gives? Most of these coaches at the youth are only looking out for the best interest of there own kids. What will the youth do when only a handful of kids come out for varsity and jv next year? Instead of helping our community your keeping the football program from progressing into something great.

Personally, I think that you are being very shortsided on this comment. True, there are a few coaches that are only interested in their own kid. The vast majority of my coaches as well as myself, and other coaches that I talk to within the league all have different coaching philosophies....in other words, we think beyond our own kids.


The small kid youth league I guarantee will fall in the next three to five years. Its a matter of time before syfl runs out of ways to copy the byfl before they become them.

That's very interesting that you see it in this way. Proves a lot about you, and what you are informed about.

[1badspartan]

[QUOTE=Smashmouth#1;2874149]
Personally, I think that you are being very shortsided on this comment. True, there are a few coaches that are only interested in their own kid. The vast majority of my coaches as well as myself, and other coaches that I talk to within the league all have different coaching philosophies....in other words, we think beyond our own kids.

I'm only referring to Springfield in that comment.

Most of the fighting at our field was because of coaches with kids on the team. You cant imagine how these people acted.


Trust me when I say they don't think beyond there own kids. And that is my way and several other peoples way of getting support for byf. People are sick of the we have to win and not teaching kids the fundamentals mentality.


This buddy buddy system got way out of hand, from picking coaches to giving director jobs to someone who doesn't even live in Springfield. How can somebody with no football experience get put in charge of Springfield's football future is beyond me. He can say he was head coach, I forgot maybe because Mike Sands ran his team while he was not at practice half the time.

Then you have a kid miss practice for a week and start over a kid that filled in. That must be one of those coaching philosophies I have been hearing about.

[Irish87]

OK, I hear about these kids dads coaching youth, crying about why the high school never gets involved. Well ,now that they are asking the youth director to change because its in the best interest of the high school feeder program they are all saying they shouldn't have a say in the youth decisions.

If you call that politics I call it bull. What gives? Most of these coaches at the youth are only looking out for the best interest of there own kids. What will the youth do when only a handful of kids come out for varsity and jv next year? Instead of helping our community your keeping the football program from progressing into something great.

The small kid youth league I guarantee will fall in the next three to five years. Its a matter of time before syfl runs out of ways to copy the byfl before they become them.

Getting involved is one thing, demanding total control is another. A 2 - 3 year plan, would have been a better solution, not coming in, threatening the Director and dictating to the parents where their kid needs to play, and if he doesn't play for the M.S., he won't play at the H.S.

The comment about parents coaching, is the oldest excuse in the book. Its old and holds no merit. Without parents volunteering their time to coach, you would not have any coaches.

[1badspartan]

Getting involved is one thing, demanding total control is another. A 2 - 3 year plan, would have been a better solution, not coming in, threatening the Director and dictating to the parents where their kid needs to play, and if he doesn't play for the M.S., he won't play at the H.S.

The comment about parents coaching, is the oldest excuse in the book. Its old and holds no merit. Without parents volunteering their time to coach, you would not have any coaches.

Have you had a problem with the coaching at jv? If you want to be honest about things let it out? just my opinion

[Irish87]

I can honestly say, no, I did not have a problem with the coaching at JV.
Would I have done somethings differently? Sure, I think anyone who is a coach out there, has their own style and own views of what play to call in certain situations. Every coach is different in their styles.

[green1965champs]

I found this was a little interesting.



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How dare you insult your own community and it's H.S. football program that drives the people the Green Memorial Stadium each fall. You make me sick to think that your involved with our Youth program. Sure at our 7 on 7 scrimmage we may have looked bad they're not that strong in the backfeild this year. As for their Alliance scrimmage, Alliance was murdered by Green's run game, so the Offensive Coordinator attempted to work on the passing game. They followed a script, they didnt try to win they were trying to get better. By the way, Alliance was much much larger than the Green team. We can thank you and your GYF officials for shewing away all the bigger and "overweight" kids from football when they were younger. I myself was told at age 10, "You just need to drop some weight and maintain it". They were asking me to drop 7 pounds at age 10. Since when is that healthy. Oh or do you not care about anything but your little "all expenese paid" trip to Florida each year. And as far as McVicker goes, you are absolutely clueless. McVicker is an older man and may be a little waery at times but he is the most caring, generous, fatherlike coach I've ever had. That is if you respect him. Sure he probablly does treat some kids badly, the ones that make fun of him behind his back and screw around. He has done so much good for Green football it's not even funny. When our amazing offensive coordinator left (Coach Jim Vivo), he made it his goal to fire and hire coaches until he had the "perfect" coaching staff. If you would like to talk personally about any of this information please e-mail me at mastermower63@hotmail.com. Thank you very much for your time in reading this.

[Irish87]

Most of the fighting at our field was because of coaches with kids on the team. You cant imagine how these people acted

From A Team up, there was only one Coach, who coached their own son. There were zero coaches from A Team, that had a son or daughter on it, there was 1 coach from JV that had a son on the Team, and there were zero coaches from Varsity, who had a son or daughter on the team. And before Spartan71 gets on here and rips you, his son was one of the better Athletes on the Team, therefore was recognized more often than some of the others.

The reason for the buddy system, is because these people volunteered more time than anybody else in the League, therefore friendships were created, becasue of spending many hours together, trying to figure out whats best for the League. When you have a group of individuals volunteering their time, and spending countless hours at the Fields, naturally they will become closer and friendships created, thus explaining your "buddy" classification.

Did I agree the way the previous Director ran things? No, but that is the reason I am getting even more involved with the League.

[1badspartan]

From A Team up, there was only one Coach, who coached their own son. There were zero coaches from A Team, that had a son or daughter on it, there was 1 coach from JV that had a son on the Team, and there were zero coaches from Varsity, who had a son or daughter on the team. And before Spartan71 gets on here and rips you, his son was one of the better Athletes on the Team, therefore was recognized more often than some of the others.

The reason for the buddy system, is because these people volunteered more time than anybody else in the League, therefore friendships were created, becasue of spending many hours together, trying to figure out whats best for the League. When you have a group of individuals volunteering their time, and spending countless hours at the Fields, naturally they will become closer and friendships created, thus explaining your "buddy" classification.

Did I agree the way the previous Director ran things? No, but that is the reason I am getting even more involved with the League.

Let me rephrase that, " Good Ole Boy System " Just my opinion. One for thought.

[GRPride86]

Getting involved is one thing, demanding total control is another. A 2 - 3 year plan, would have been a better solution

Isn't he just speeding up the plan, instead of a two or three year timetable, he's just making it this year.

[green pride]

I havent commented in a while but the person who is behind BYF never played football and the President of Greens BYF never played football.

[QUOTE=Smashmouth#1;2874149]
Personally, I think that you are being very shortsided on this comment. True, there are a few coaches that are only interested in their own kid. The vast majority of my coaches as well as myself, and other coaches that I talk to within the league all have different coaching philosophies....in other words, we think beyond our own kids.

I'm only referring to Springfield in that comment.

Most of the fighting at our field was because of coaches with kids on the team. You cant imagine how these people acted.


Trust me when I say they don't think beyond there own kids. And that is my way and several other peoples way of getting support for byf. People are sick of the we have to win and not teaching kids the fundamentals mentality.


This buddy buddy system got way out of hand, from picking coaches to giving director jobs to someone who doesn't even live in Springfield. How can somebody with no football experience get put in charge of Springfield's football future is beyond me. He can say he was head coach, I forgot maybe because Mike Sands ran his team while he was not at practice half the time.

Then you have a kid miss practice for a week and start over a kid that filled in. That must be one of those coaching philosophies I have been hearing about.

[Smashmouth#1]

I found this was a little interesting.



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How dare you insult your own community and it's H.S. football program that drives the people the Green Memorial Stadium each fall. You make me sick to think that your involved with our Youth program. Sure at our 7 on 7 scrimmage we may have looked bad they're not that strong in the backfeild this year. As for their Alliance scrimmage, Alliance was murdered by Green's run game, so the Offensive Coordinator attempted to work on the passing game. They followed a script, they didnt try to win they were trying to get better. By the way, Alliance was much much larger than the Green team. We can thank you and your GYF officials for shewing away all the bigger and "overweight" kids from football when they were younger. I myself was told at age 10, "You just need to drop some weight and maintain it". They were asking me to drop 7 pounds at age 10. Since when is that healthy. Oh or do you not care about anything but your little "all expenese paid" trip to Florida each year. And as far as McVicker goes, you are absolutely clueless. McVicker is an older man and may be a little waery at times but he is the most caring, generous, fatherlike coach I've ever had. That is if you respect him. Sure he probablly does treat some kids badly, the ones that make fun of him behind his back and screw around. He has done so much good for Green football it's not even funny. When our amazing offensive coordinator left (Coach Jim Vivo), he made it his goal to fire and hire coaches until he had the "perfect" coaching staff. If you would like to talk personally about any of this information please e-mail me at mastermower63@hotmail.com. Thank you very much for your time in reading this.

and this pertains to what??????

[1badspartan]

and this pertains to what??????

Like you dont know. Ask your

[Smashmouth#1]

Like you dont know. Ask your

WOW!!!!!!!!! What an ingenious reply!!!!!!!!!!! If I knew I wouldn't have asked there Einstein.

[1badspartan]

08-25-05, 01:36 PM
greenlineman200
Junior Varsity Join Date: 07-04-03
Posts: 28

Calling Out "green Pride"!!!

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How dare you insult your own community and it's H.S. football program that drives the people the Green Memorial Stadium each fall. You make me sick to think that your involved with our Youth program. Sure at our 7 on 7 scrimmage we may have looked bad they're not that strong in the backfeild this year. As for their Alliance scrimmage, Alliance was murdered by Green's run game, so the Offensive Coordinator attempted to work on the passing game. They followed a script, they didnt try to win they were trying to get better. By the way, Alliance was much much larger than the Green team. We can thank you and your GYF officials for shewing away all the bigger and "overweight" kids from football when they were younger. I myself was told at age 10, "You just need to drop some weight and maintain it". They were asking me to drop 7 pounds at age 10. Since when is that healthy. Oh or do you not care about anything but your little "all expenese paid" trip to Florida each year. And as far as McVicker goes, you are absolutely clueless. McVicker is an older man and may be a little waery at times but he is the most caring, generous, fatherlike coach I've ever had. That is if you respect him. Sure he probablly does treat some kids badly, the ones that make fun of him behind his back and screw around. He has done so much good for Green football it's not even funny. When our amazing offensive coordinator left (Coach Jim Vivo), he made it his goal to fire and hire coaches until he had the "perfect" coaching staff. If you would like to talk personally about any of this information please e-mail me at mastermower63@hotmail.com. Thank you very much for your time in reading this.

Sorry if I didn't get this post correct enough for everyone to read. This was a post from two years ago. I hope people really understand the importance of the byf. And how it plays a critical part in the city of green.And the future of Springfield

[Smashmouth#1]

Posted by Green Pride 8-26-05……7:05 am

You poor misguided child. I understand your loyalty and I applaud it, however there are so many things going on with your football program and your school that you don't have a clue about. I hope you guys have a great season but your coach no mater how nice of a guy he seems is past his prime. As far as the youth goes my team does not go to florida that is just the varsity and that is a great achievement. Good luck this week against Stow, I will be their as I have been for the last 15 years supporting "the kids" but I will not sit by and watch incompetent people run our schools and football program.




Posted by greenlineman200 8-27-05 1:33 am
I send my apollogies for rudely insulting you in my first post. But honestly, humor me. I would love to hear your insight on our H.S. football coach and youth programs. In all honesty I hope you can converse with me on this subject. You have obviously seen my e-mail adress in the other post. No name needed. Thanks you for your time.



Posted by greenlineman200 8-27-05 4:33 pm
I think we ought to become friends because it seems like we are the only people that post on this forum. Isn't that sad. By the way I was really dissapointed by the fans at the Stow game last night. There was absolutely no enthusiasm. It's kinda sad.



Since I figured that I wouldn't get a response, I did some digging......Call me Paul Harvey.......Here's the rest of the story........the first was in response to comments posted by GP on McVicker. Here's the rest of the conversation though. It's amazing how you can pull one post from 2 1/2 years ago and try and use it as "proof" of another league. It was merely a rant that was then rescinded. Nice try.

[1badspartan]

Posted by Green Pride 8-26-05……7:05 am

You poor misguided child. I understand your loyalty and I applaud it, however there are so many things going on with your football program and your school that you don't have a clue about. I hope you guys have a great season but your coach no mater how nice of a guy he seems is past his prime. As far as the youth goes my team does not go to florida that is just the varsity and that is a great achievement. Good luck this week against Stow, I will be their as I have been for the last 15 years supporting "the kids" but I will not sit by and watch incompetent people run our schools and football program.




Posted by greenlineman200 8-27-05 1:33 am
I send my apollogies for rudely insulting you in my first post. But honestly, humor me. I would love to hear your insight on our H.S. football coach and youth programs. In all honesty I hope you can converse with me on this subject. You have obviously seen my e-mail adress in the other post. No name needed. Thanks you for your time.



Posted by greenlineman200 8-27-05 4:33 pm
I think we ought to become friends because it seems like we are the only people that post on this forum. Isn't that sad. By the way I was really dissapointed by the fans at the Stow game last night. There was absolutely no enthusiasm. It's kinda sad.



Since I figured that I wouldn't get a response, I did some digging......Call me Paul Harvey.......Here's the rest of the story........the first was in response to comments posted by GP on McVicker. Here's the rest of the conversation though. It's amazing how you can pull one post from 2 1/2 years ago and try and use it as "proof" of another league. It was merely a rant that was then rescinded. Nice try.

So your saying the guy lost his mind and realized GP is right about not letting the bigger " overweight" kids play. I better get back on the right side of the street before I take a hit like greenlineman200. Let me email this and see if he is still keeping time.

[Smashmouth#1]

Hey you forgot to switch your screen name.......you originally posted your "proof" under 1965 champs........and you responded under 1badspartan.......good job.

[1badspartan]

Hey you forgot to switch your screen name.......you originally posted your "proof" under 1965 champs........and you responded under 1badspartan.......good job.

So your saying me and 1965 are a team? Genius, how did you figure out that one? But we do share the same DNA. Like you and GP

[Smashmouth#1]

So your saying me and 1965 are a team? Genius, how did you figure out that one? But we do share the same DNA. Like you and GP

What you do with your DNA isn't my concern. That's between you and your maker ultimately. I keep the same policy on that as the military.
And if you read my post I am saying that you and 1965 are the same person. And trust me, GP and myself are 2 different people. He's a great guy and he's done a lot for this community. I am not denying the fact that we see a lot of things the same way. I am not deceitful in the fashion that I need more than one screen name to convey my message. I post my thoughts on here, and I stand behind everything that I say. No need to make people think that others support my position by having more than one screen name like others.

[1badspartan]

What you do with your DNA isn't my concern. That's between you and your maker ultimately. I keep the same policy on that as the military.
And if you read my post I am saying that you and 1965 are the same person. And trust me, GP and myself are 2 different people. He's a great guy and he's done a lot for this community. I am not denying the fact that we see a lot of things the same way. I am not deceitful in the fashion that I need more than one screen name to convey my message. I post my thoughts on here, and I stand behind everything that I say. No need to make people think that others support my position by having more than one screen name like others.


I'm not saying your the same person, I'm saying hes your daddy, so we have something in common. My father supports me the same way yours does. You love defending his actions so much its like taking care of a baby.

Your view isn't the same as mine. You must be a very small guy to keep trying to keep your syfl league in-tacked. It should hurt when somebody doesn't fall into line and take orders.

I cant wait till this is over and see your regime fall on its face for the discrimination you have brought against the kids you wont let play in your regime.

I remember when your daddy would come in and take over your games like you were incompetent. How can you still be a part of a league with so much resentment against the bigger players. The byf is getting bigger every year and your precious discriminating no talent teaching league is on its way out.

Attack me and I have attacked back. Get me throed off Yappi. I will have my way in crushing Springfield's youth league and bringing in a more productive league in from the byf.

[Omni-Spartan]

You Are Part Of The Problem With Springfield!! No Class No Kooth No Clue!!!

[Irish87]

Badspartan,

I respect your views and opinions, but making comments about SSYF not being productive are just plain ignorant. There are good coaches teaching proper mechanics and techniques, and what you are saying is so off base its not even funny. The more you rip on SSYF and the more comments you make about "crushing" Springfield youth Football, the more your going to turn off people about supporting your plans. Why not leave SSYF alone and begin working on your 2009 plans to change things. Whats done is done and SSYF is not going anywhere, at least this year. Put together a professional, mature game plan and maybe you can persuade some people in the future. Trying to degrade people and tear down another League is not what this Township needs. Show a little class in your approach rather than threats and decete. You'd be surprised how much more successful it is.

[Smashmouth#1]

I'm not saying your the same person, I'm saying hes your daddy, so we have something in common. My father supports me the same way yours does. You love defending his actions so much its like taking care of a baby. .

He's not even my sugardaddy. The rest of this comment makes no sense here, my Dad doesn't support me, if he did I'd probably have more in the bank......And all I did was to give the rest of the info that you conveniently left out.

Your view isn't the same as mine. You must be a very small guy to keep trying to keep your syfl league in-tacked. It should hurt when somebody doesn't fall into line and take orders. .
I am aware that we don't share the same views. That's obvious. You cant support your positions with facts so then you go on a personal attack. Must like the rest with your view. I actually found it rather humorous, since you have no idea about me or what I look like or how big I am.


I cant wait till this is over and see your regime fall on its face for the discrimination you have brought against the kids you wont let play in your regime. .

Sure, dont hold your breathe.........we don't discriminate, just play by the rules that are set by the league.


I remember when your daddy would come in and take over your games like you were incompetent. How can you still be a part of a league with so much resentment against the bigger players. The byf is getting bigger every year and your precious discriminating no talent teaching league is on its way out..

Actually, I never had anyone come in and take over one of my games. I don't know where that came from, but it's wrong. I have no resentment against any bigger players, nor does anyone that I have talked with, you need to get out more. "No Talent teaching league"???? That's brilliant....The SYFL as a whole is the best organization in the area, and without teaching fundamentals, it wouldn't compete nor would it be successful. We had at least 4 teams in our league go and compete in National competitions and do very well, Green won it all. I would say we might teach fundamentals.


Attack me and I have attacked back. Get me throed off Yappi. I will have my way in crushing Springfield's youth league and bringing in a more productive league in from the byf.


Actually, I didn't attack you, wait, or are you 1965 too??? Actually, I never attacked him (or you or whatever) either. I added in the rest of the story, the details that you conveniently left out, to attempt to gain merit for your organization. Nice Try, but when questioned, you gave a BS response, so I investegated it myself and found out the whole story and shared it. If it made you look bad, so be it, that's what you get for trying to twist things into something that they werent. I have never contacted Yappi reguarding any posts on here other than my own.

[SPARTICUS8]

[QUOTE=Smashmouth#1;2874149]
Personally, I think that you are being very shortsided on this comment. True, there are a few coaches that are only interested in their own kid. The vast majority of my coaches as well as myself, and other coaches that I talk to within the league all have different coaching philosophies....in other words, we think beyond our own kids.

I'm only referring to Springfield in that comment.

Most of the fighting at our field was because of coaches with kids on the team. You cant imagine how these people acted.


Trust me when I say they don't think beyond there own kids. And that is my way and several other peoples way of getting support for byf. People are sick of the we have to win and not teaching kids the fundamentals mentality.


This buddy buddy system got way out of hand, from picking coaches to giving director jobs to someone who doesn't even live in Springfield. How can somebody with no football experience get put in charge of Springfield's football future is beyond me. He can say he was head coach, I forgot maybe because Mike Sands ran his team while he was not at practice half the time.

Then you have a kid miss practice for a week and start over a kid that filled in. That must be one of those coaching philosophies I have been hearing about.
This is funny say what you will about the new director, but here are a couple more facts for the un ----knowing. 1. my kid does not play on any teams he is past youth football age. 2. Graduated from Springfield moved to Lake for my child with special needs that Springfield was not able to provide!! 3. As far as Mike Sands running JV, WRONG he did fill in on three days due to a heart attack. 4. As for my coaching abilities????? I'm not 0-26 like some of these great coaches I keep hearing about, maybe they can me me an up to date winning coaching plan, or does it exist????

[Smashmouth#1]

This is funny say what you will about the new director, but here are a couple more facts for the un ----knowing. 1. my kid does not play on any teams he is past youth football age. 2. Graduated from Springfield moved to Lake for my child with special needs that Springfield was not able to provide!! 3. As far as Mike Sands running JV, WRONG he did fill in on three days due to a heart attack. 4. As for my coaching abilities????? I'm not 0-26 like some of these great coaches I keep hearing about, maybe they can me me an up to date winning coaching plan, or does it exist????

First realize, I only wrote the first paragraph there.....bad quoting on someones part.
Secondly, I appreciate you clearing up some things that, IMO, sound like talking points or reasons, rumors, and half truths to attempt to start another league. People just flapping their gums to hear themselves speak.

[thepolster]

[QUOTE=1badspartan;2874163]
This is funny say what you will about the new director, but here are a couple more facts for the un ----knowing. 1. my kid does not play on any teams he is past youth football age. 2. Graduated from Springfield moved to Lake for my child with special needs that Springfield was not able to provide!! 3. As far as Mike Sands running JV, WRONG he did fill in on three days due to a heart attack. 4. As for my coaching abilities????? I'm not 0-26 like some of these great coaches I keep hearing about, maybe they can me me an up to date winning coaching plan, or does it exist????

Don't you think there has to be some kind of change happen to Springfield Ed?
Why do you keep resisting what officials keep telling you do.
I am committed to getting this league formed with or without you. And I know for a fact that byf football has more support from people who control things around here. I hope you reconsider your stance. Quit listening to people that only care about there league from becoming nonexistent and not My community. We've been with this league long enough and it is time to move on. We know its going to take 4-5 years for the byf to take effect on the High School but why keep holding off? We need to get the bigger kids playing time so they can block for good quarterbacks. I feel that I have been cheated with this league. I have two very talented sons playing for the high school next year that are going to get crushed because we don't have experience at the line. And don't say its coaching either. Give me a 225 pounder w/8 years experience over a 150 pounder any day.Ive seen it and Irish seen his boy get pressured every game he was in. Hit me back people in Springfield, I can take the abuse.

[SPARTICUS8]

No need to say anything abusive, and I am not against the system. I am against the way it is being handled, strong arming and threats are no way to get people to come together. Is there a need for change??? yes but I have still never had my question answered of why this byf group has been in multiple leagues over the past couple years and keep leaving??? Why does the school system want me to be the bad guy and tell all 7th 8th graders they have to play for the jr high or not play high school ball?? And what happens to these kids if there is no team or the parents cannot pay the fees for all these kids???

[thepolster]

No need to say anything abusive, and I am not against the system. I am against the way it is being handled, strong arming and threats are no way to get people to come together. Is there a need for change??? yes but I have still never had my question answered of why this byf group has been in multiple leagues over the past couple years and keep leaving??? Why does the school system want me to be the bad guy and tell all 7th 8th graders they have to play for the jr high or not play high school ball?? And what happens to these kids if there is no team or the parents cannot pay the fees for all these kids???

You wont have to tell them for one.

And there wont be a charge for these kids to play next year.

I don't understand why people keep saying there isn't going to be a jr high team. Call the superintendent yourself and he will tell you personally his goal is to have football a main priority. Can Don Schultz give you a call and you can hear it from him and not just smash and green pride. Get both sides and then pic one. You will also have the support of Vince Mealy. He would like to hear from you as well.

You are not the bad guy here. This is what the school officials want and they will take the heat for there actions.

[Smashmouth#1]

Why do you keep resisting what officials keep telling you do.
I am committed to getting this league formed with or without you. And I know for a fact that byf football has more support from people who control things around here.
Interesting. Why should a director of a PRIVATE organization cow-toww to whatever someone from the school or City wants/trying to strong-arm them and throw their power around? And why should they concern themselves with a youth league for kids, as long as everything is on the up and up? IMO, the fact that there are people willing to use the Youth Football League as scapegoats instead of addressing the real issues that you guys have is just doing a little CYA.

You wont have to tell them for one.


And there wont be a charge for these kids to play next year..

What about in 2,3 or 4 years.


I don't understand why people keep saying there isn't going to be a jr high team. Call the superintendent yourself and he will tell you personally his goal is to have football a main priority. Can Don Schultz give you a call and you can hear it from him and not just smash and green pride. Get both sides and then pic one. You will also have the support of Vince Mealy. He would like to hear from you as well..

If football is your Superintendants main priority, hire him as a coach and get someone to run your schools and acedemics. As far as who Sparticus8 is listening too, that's not me here, first I dont know who he is nor does he know me, and secondly, I have never even talked to him personally on here or anywhere for that matter. Donny Shultz.......hmmmmm........I will leave that go.



You are not the bad guy here. This is what the school officials want and they will take the heat for there actions.

Are you serious here? Really, you can't be. As soon as things start to go bad or there is even a grumbling of an uproar, these folks will be playing scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz and pointing fingers anywhere but at themselves.......

[thepolster]

Interesting. Why should a director of a PRIVATE organization cow-toww to whatever someone from the school or City wants/trying to strong-arm them and throw their power around? And why should they concern themselves with a youth league for kids, as long as everything is on the up and up? IMO, the fact that there are people willing to use the Youth Football League as scapegoats instead of addressing the real issues that you guys have is just doing a little CYA.



What about in 2,3 or 4 years.



If football is your Superintendants main priority, hire him as a coach and get someone to run your schools and acedemics. As far as who Sparticus8 is listening too, that's not me here, first I dont know who he is nor does he know me, and secondly, I have never even talked to him personally on here or anywhere for that matter. Donny Shultz.......hmmmmm........I will leave that go.




Are you serious here? Really, you can't be. As soon as things start to go bad or there is even a grumbling of an uproar, these folks will be playing scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz and pointing fingers anywhere but at themselves.......

No matter what you say smash the end of syf football is in your future. We need bigger kids funneling into our system. Green is a D1 school and your freshman went undefeated not because of lineman that came from your varsity youth neither. I would love to know how many kids that played for your varsity youth team play lineman for your high school. mcvickers pointed that out and Yost from ellet said going to the byf was the best thing since slice bread. And yes Ed you can call Dan Yost and he will vouch for it. I think we can agree on football being a driving force in the community. And all of our school officials are counting on bringing the community together by it. Its going to take some time but it will be worth the change.

[Smashmouth#1]

No matter what you say smash the end of syf football is in your future. We need bigger kids funneling into our system. Green is a D1 school and your freshman went undefeated not because of lineman that came from your varsity youth neither. I would love to know how many kids that played for your varsity youth team play lineman for your high school. mcvickers pointed that out and Yost from ellet said going to the byf was the best thing since slice bread. And yes Ed you can call Dan Yost and he will vouch for it. I think we can agree on football being a driving force in the community. And all of our school officials are counting on bringing the community together by it. Its going to take some time but it will be worth the change.

We shall see about your forecast. Actually, I don't have the number of kids that played freshman in Green that played youth. That's a question for someone else to answer. I wonder if you have facts or if you are just spouting off your mouth again trying to get people to see things your way....What are your facts that support the reason that the Freshman team went undefeated had nothing to do with the kids that played in the SYFL. You can't say McVicker either, he preaches to whatever audience he is in front of. As far as Yost, don't know him...School officials, it seems especially in Springfield, need to be worried a bit more on the 3 r's ....reading, riting, and 'rithmatic then what happens with a PRIVATE youth organization.....if you think different then your school system will never get better.

BTW, I remember a few weeks back you posted something on here about not talking to anyone but Springfield people about Springfield, yet the guy that started all of this is from Green. He could care less about your community and the fact that it will tear yours apart as long as he is in control. He took his eyes off something long ago that was more important than control or money....he forgot about the kids and his community. Now he wants to do the same thing to yours. He's proved all of those points through his actions.

[local viewer]

Do You Guys Ever Stop ?

[Yappi]

Do You Guys Ever Stop ?

I'm starting to think that it's time for Springfield to work this out for themselves. Things have been very negative in football in Springfield for a very long time. Maybe a stripe league is exactly what they need. Maybe they need a true unlimited weight league, not sure any exist in the area, which could develop all the kids in all the skill positions. Who knows, we might find out in a few years that they really needed flag football up through 8th grade...some schools in Florida don't start tackle until 9th grade.

While I appreciate the passion on here, this should be opened up to a much wider group of ALL the parents of kids participating in Springfield. The arguing is starting to go in circles and it should be noted by everyone that limited weight leagues and unlimited weight leagues both have proven to be successful for various communities.

[thepolster]

Do You Guys Ever Stop ?

No. And anyone who knows me personally knows I will do what I can and not for just my kids.

I made a mistake saying Dan Yost , I meant Joe Yost head coach of Ellet high school. Sorry you might know him.

[Irish87]

[QUOTE=Yappi;2879921]I'm starting to think that it's time for Springfield to work this out for themselves. Things have been very negative in football in Springfield for a very long time. Maybe a stripe league is exactly what they need. Maybe they need a true unlimited weight league, not sure any exist in the area, which could develop all the kids in all the skill positions. Who knows, we might find out in a few years that they really needed flag football up through 8th grade...some schools in Florida don't start tackle until 9th grade.
QUOTE]

Yappi,
what people are failing to understand, is the failures of the H.S. Football Team, has had nothing to do with SSYF. I have been stating this for years. The Youth league has been sending the H.S., good, succesful Football players. Once they get in H.S. is when the losses begin. The Youth has had successful Teams, as has the Middle School, a few years back. Once they get in H.S., is when the Grades begin to tumble, eligiblity issues surface and the kids get involved with wrong doings. The H.S. has been through 3 Head Coaches in 6 years. Wheres the stability there? There has been absolutely zero support for these kids. Now, are things changing up there? One can only hope. I think they have a good HC in place now and have hired a young, aggressive AD. To create this separation between the Youth volunteers was the wrong approach(imo).

And also, don't forget, the SYF League is talking about major changes in weight Limits for this year. Lets wait to see what their changes might be, before we keep playing the "weight" card again and again. Is, or was that an issue in the past? Possibly, but maybe, things are going to change in SYF, which could help heavier kids get their chance in SYF.

But, please, people need to stop trying to say, its time for a change in the Youth League, because the lack of H.S. success. The focus should be on the High School and their lack of support and failures, not the Youth.

[thepolster]

I'm starting to think that it's time for Springfield to work this out for themselves. Things have been very negative in football in Springfield for a very long time. Maybe a stripe league is exactly what they need. Maybe they need a true unlimited weight league, not sure any exist in the area, which could develop all the kids in all the skill positions. Who knows, we might find out in a few years that they really needed flag football up through 8th grade...some schools in Florida don't start tackle until 9th grade.

While I appreciate the passion on here, this should be opened up to a much wider group of ALL the parents of kids participating in Springfield. The arguing is starting to go in circles and it should be noted by everyone that limited weight leagues and unlimited weight leagues both have proven to be successful for various communities.

I beginning to think you were all about syfl from reading most of your post. fresh. We do need a drastic change in Springfield. I think every school has eligibility issues but the difference in our case is how many skilled players we can send to the high school. Say green sends 50 kids and we can only send 25, and only 70% are eligible for both schools. DO THE MATH. Who will succeed in the future? My goal and quite a few other people want to flood our high school with every possible body we can and not a select few. Even if SYFL raises weight restrictions there still will be kids left in the bleachers wishing they had a chance.

[Yappi]

I beginning to think you were all about syfl from reading most of your post. fresh. We do need a drastic change in Springfield. I think every school has eligibility issues but the difference in our case is how many skilled players we can send to the high school. Say green sends 50 kids and we can only send 25, and only 70% are eligible for both schools. DO THE MATH. Who will succeed in the future? My goal and quite a few other people want to flood our high school with every possible body we can and not a select few. Even if SYFL raises weight restrictions there still will be kids left in the bleachers wishing they had a chance.

I'm not entirely for one or the other. Both have fundamental flaws that will never be overcome. A restricted weight league and an unlimited weight league will ALWAYS leave out a group of kids that want to play.

Personally, I like some of the things that BYF is doing and I like some of the things that SYFL is doing. The reason that I said it's time for Springfield to make it's own decision is because there are differences between each community. What's right for Tallmadge, Stow, and Mogadore may not be the right thing for Springfield. Let Springfield do what they think is best for their community. The one thing that I think everyone should agree on is that they should get input from the entire community.

[greendad]

I've been thinking about the comments about the byf strong arming. You know, its what it took i guess, to get the stupid weight limit out of the way.
the weight limit has been a problem for too long. people have been complaing about it over the yrs only to get poo poo'd by the sylf.
Now, all of the sudden, syf is going to make drastic changes to the weight limits. like they say; "too little, too late"
all the communities that go from syf to byf will have bigger/stronger linemen on thier HS football teams.

maybe some of the tactics byf have used have been harsh, tactless, etc. Again, I guess its what it took to get things moving in the right direction.

[Smashmouth#1]

The simple fact is....there is a right way and a wrong way to do things. Period. Once again, I find it amazing that "you dont get involved in the politics" and yet you stand by and do everything but just say that it's ok. Great lesson to teach the kids of our community.....but at least we will have bigger linemen for the HS team....that is, the ones that aren't in jail.

[greendad]

It's not illegal to be pissed off and do something tactless or rude. yeah, byf is teaching our players to be criminals :rolleyes: In fact, if any kids did figure out how it all went down, it might teach them to not sit around and let some group of people call the shots when they dont like the shots they are calling.

I should have been more specific when i spoke of politics. I should have said meaningless and idiodic politics.
if its something serious or could really affect our kids, community or country, I'll get into politics, you betcha!

still bitching about the way byf was formed, getting into that type of politics, I wont.

[1badspartan]

We need 3 more assistant coaches.

1 for 5-6 graders

2 for 3-4 graders

Email me for additional info, thanks

[Omni-Spartan]

We need 3 more assistant coaches.

1 for 5-6 graders

2 for 3-4 graders

Email me for additional info, thanks

are you guys starting this league for sure if so where are you practicing, and did you get equipment, who are your head coaches??

[1badspartan]

are you guys starting this league for sure if so where are you practicing, and did you get equipment, who are your head coaches??

Things are being put in place for the byf league. Seeing what these so called meaningful changes are going to happen in the syf. If substantial changes are not adequate enough then syfl will be removed. And I can guarantee that will happen. No promise from Lascos will hold up. Kevin V. really doesn't like being lied to right to his face, so remember that in your rec league. Make the best changes and submit them to Kevin.

[Irish87]

...and yet more threats, from the BYF. :Ohno:

As I stated before, why not put together a long term plan for the changes to be made. I would be glad to sit down with Mr. Vaughn and discuss a game plan, for the future of Springfield youth football. The "my way or the highway" approach is just not going to work.

[1badspartan]

...and yet more threats, from the BYF. :Ohno:

As I stated before, why not put together a long term plan for the changes to be made. I would be glad to sit down with Mr. Vaughn and discuss a game plan, for the future of Springfield youth football. The "my way or the highway" approach is just not going to work.

Trust me when I say its not a threat. You are not the director so why would you have a say in what is being done. Don't put yourself in somebody else's shoes.

[Irish87]

Trust me when I say its not a threat. You are not the director so why would you have a say in what is being done. Don't put yourself in somebody else's shoes.

I say this, because the Director, myself and the entire new Board are all on the same page together this year. We are determined to make the necessary changes to SSYF, to make it the best place for the kids to learn and play Football. Steps have already been put in place, to correct the wrongs that happened last year. I vowed to get involved, to make things better and people are in place to make it happen.

Also, I know Mr. Vaughn personally, and if he wishes, I could inform him of the direction, in which SSYF is going. In my opinion, he has only received one side of the story.

[Omni-Spartan]

Things are being put in place for the byf league. Seeing what these so called meaningful changes are going to happen in the syf. If substantial changes are not adequate enough then syfl will be removed. And I can guarantee that will happen. No promise from Lascos will hold up. Kevin V. really doesn't like being lied to right to his face, so remember that in your rec league. Make the best changes and submit them to Kevin.
this was not a promise from laskos it is a official yearly lease... we meaning the ssyf board or represenatives of would love to meet with Kevin V. we really want to work with him were we can but it will not be done thru the byf group you guys have no buisness being in a ssyf meeting with the A.D. you have already had plenty of meeting with the school officials now it is our turn. by the way who lied?? please explain..

[1badspartan]

I say this, because the Director, myself and the entire new Board are all on the same page together this year. We are determined to make the necessary changes to SSYF, to make it the best place for the kids to learn and play Football. Steps have already been put in place, to correct the wrongs that happened last year. I vowed to get involved, to make things better and people are in place to make it happen.

Also, I know Mr. Vaughn personally, and if he wishes, I could inform him of the direction, in which SSYF is going. In my opinion, he has only received one side of the story.

Please do inform him of the intentions of your new and improved board is taking. Which I really do think your afraid to do being your not a influence on what happens. If that's the case have Ed give him a call and quit the phone tag. The lease your referring to is not valid. It is renewed and approved by Kevin himself yearly. And is void for any reason the A.D. seems fit.

[GRPride86]

The lease your referring to is not valid. It is renewed and approved by Kevin himself yearly. And is void for any reason the A.D. seems fit.

Boy,

If this is true, it could be a very steep uphill battle for the SYF.

[Omni-Spartan]

i am not arguing the validity of a lease or if one is voided that would be a battle for another forum lets hope it does not go there it would be a lose-lose for all and for what?? really? to say yours is bigger than ours? to me that is what it has come down to at this point. there was a grass roots movement started here in springfield last year to move to a heavy league with lots of good points and ideas that has been distorted into a SSYF bashfest that no one will really win. i know just about everyone in this twp. tell me who is going to run the show, and coach the teams. D.W. is going to j.h. who else do you have besides disgruntled parents?? come on lets bury the hatchet and have some constructive meetings in the future not the kind where a SSYF director walks by himself into a stacked room of byf people and school officials who have only heard the rosie picture painted by the byf recruiters.

[green pride]

No schools Ad is in charge of Leases that is the business director but good try.

Please do inform him of the intentions of your new and improved board is taking. Which I really do think your afraid to do being your not a influence on what happens. If that's the case have Ed give him a call and quit the phone tag. The lease your referring to is not valid. It is renewed and approved by Kevin himself yearly. And is void for any reason the A.D. seems fit.

[1badspartan]

No schools Ad is in charge of Leases that is the business director but good try.

Hey I'm not arguing either, I'm not going by hearsay. I am stating facts. I have given the facts as told to me. Its not hard to pick up a phone and call Kevin or the High school head coach or even the superintendent. I guess the business director doesn't take orders from the superintendent either. Fact or Fiction. Put it writing and submit your plans to the A.D. and lets see how far you get.

[green pride]

Why so angry plans not going so good. Take Irishs advice and work it out a war helps noone.

Hey I'm not arguing either, I'm not going by hearsay. I am stating facts. I have given the facts as told to me. Its not hard to pick up a phone and call Kevin or the High school head coach or even the superintendent. I guess the business director doesn't take orders from the superintendent either. Fact or Fiction. Put it writing and submit your plans to the A.D. and lets see how far you get.