Latest Human Rankings 12/20/07

[SLCDad]

With one week to go before all states are finished, here is the latest summary of the human national polls.

School cnnsi espn prepnation risemag studentsports usatoday Ave Rank
1 Northwestern (Miami, FL) 1 1 2 2 1 1 1.3
2 St. Xavier (Cincinnati, OH) 2 2 1 1 2 5 2.2
3 Katy (TX) 4 5 3 3 4 4 3.8
4 Prattville (AL) 8 9 4 10 5 2 6.3
4 De La Salle (Concord, CA) 11 8 5 5 6 3 6.3
6 Washington (Miami, FL) 6 4 8 6 10 8 7.0
7 Central Catholic (Pittsburgh, PA) 14 11 20 9 7 11 12.0
8 Don Bosco Prep (Ramsey, NJ) 9 12 21 13 12 12 13.2
9 Birmingham (Van Nuys, CA) 13 19 13 15 19 17 16.0
10 Centennial (Corona, CA) 21 15 11 21 18 14 16.7
11 Poly (Long Beach, CA) 19 18 14 17 20 23 18.5
12 Westfield (Chantilly, VA) 20 24 15 16 13 25 18.8

Miami Northwestern is #1 in 4 rankings. St. Xavier is #1 in 2 rankings.

MNW, StX and Katy are the only teams ranked in the top 5 in every human poll.

[consumerman]

DLS shows the only victory against a top ten team from those cumulative rankings

[concha]

USA Today really hammered X for the Iggy result, despite the new QB.

Prattville hasn't played as tough a schedule and has had a close call or two also (ex. 10-7 versus Opelika with no effect on their ranking).

Katy has been winning very impressively, but they really haven't faced what you'd expect to see in Texas 5A. Their best competitor so far has been Madison. That said, only one team has really even kept it reasonably close with them all year. They've looked like a machine.

It will be interesting to see what happens with DLS after the Centennial game, but I don't see USA Today dropping them down at all.

[concha]

DLS shows the only victory against a top ten team from those cumulative rankings

Centennial isn't a top ten in any national poll. DLS played one team even remotely close to these rankings and nearly lost. What happens if they actually had to play several such teams?

X has played and beaten at least four teams listed in the calpreps poll compilation. Not to mention crush Centerville, who took highly ranked Byrnes to OT, and crush Elder, who snapped ranked Independence's streak.

[lancer1997]

It will be interesting to see what happens with DLS after the Centennial game, but I don't see USA Today dropping them down at all.

Interesting how? Corona was nationally ranked in most polls.

[concha]

Interesting how? Corona was nationally ranked in most polls.

Mainly based on what happened with PrepNation.

Centennial is very good, but to be honest I'm surprised they've stayed as high as they are. After a couple of quality early wins to move them up the polls (Dominguez, Crespi), they then lost to MD and didn't really beat anyone of note or reknown after that. They never beat a team that finished with fewer than 3 losses.

I certainly wouldn't have them anywhere near the top ten.

[coletrain06]

I agree, why is centennial even in this, let alone in the top ten? They have two losses. 1 to a top ten team and 1 to a team not ranked in the top 25.

yet Colerain and Dublin Coffman are nowhere to be seen in most of the rankings, let alone top ten,.. despite the fact that these teams only lost one game all season to a top 5 team.

I am not lobbying for a national ranking for Colerain or Dublin Coffman because their seasons are over, but when you have a two loss team in the top 25, it doesn't seem right.

[concha]

I agree, why is centennial even in this, let alone in the top ten? They have two losses. 1 to a top ten team and 1 to a team not ranked in the top 25.

yet Colerain and Dublin Coffman are nowhere to be seen in most of the rankings, let alone top ten,.. despite the fact that these teams only lost one game all season to a top 5 team.

I am not lobbying for a national ranking for Colerain or Dublin Coffman because their seasons are over, but when you have a two loss team in the top 25, it doesn't seem right.

If they had wins over highly ranked teams it would make more sense, but the best they've got is an early win over regionally ranked Crespi. They've dropped two games since then. Whatever.

[consumerman]

DLS led Centennial at one point 31-7 and after surviving a Halloween 12 minutes, came back with the game on the line and drove for the go ahead score and then had 2 stops and won by 6 points

St X never led St Iggy by 24 points and escaped with a 3 point 3 overtime win

St X never led in the semis 31-7 and escaped with a 3 point win 10-7 when the other team had the ball deep inside St X territory and just needed a few more seconds to pull out the win

Neither St Iggy or the semifinal opponent have ever been or are currently ranked near Centennial

[lancer1997]

I agree, why is centennial even in this, let alone in the top ten? They have two losses. 1 to a top ten team and 1 to a team not ranked in the top 25.

yet Colerain and Dublin Coffman are nowhere to be seen in most of the rankings, let alone top ten,.. despite the fact that these teams only lost one game all season to a top 5 team.

I am not lobbying for a national ranking for Colerain or Dublin Coffman because their seasons are over, but when you have a two loss team in the top 25, it doesn't seem right.


Centennial lost to Mater Dei, who as most of you are aware is home to the best player in the country (according to Gatorades POY) and hes the first junior to ever win the award, and he is also ranked #1 overall in the 2009 recruiting class, and most say the best QB prospect playing HSFB right now.

Now, MD did lose a couple games after beating Centennial, but its not like the team other than De La Salle that CC lost to is a nobody.

But I do agree they are ranked too highly. If DLS didnt take the foot off the gas and begin subbing so early when it was 31-7, the game woudlnt have ended up as close as it did.

That said St. X still has my vote for #1

[consumerman]

And it is curious to me that a team that went 13-0 and won the largest division championship in the largest state in the country which has produced more NFL players than any other state and outscored 13 opponents 392-28 in the first half this year can be as low as 8th or 11th on 2 of these polls

what can they do ?

cant play in a bigger division a la BTW

cant play in a larger state a la some of these Missisiippi and ALabama schools

I guess they could ahve outscored their 13 opponents 400-0

oh 392-28 is pretty darn close

[consumerman]

Centennial lost to Mater Dei, who as most of you are aware is home to the best player in the country (according to Gatorades POY) and hes the first junior to ever win the award, and he is also ranked #1 overall in the 2009 recruiting class, and most say the best QB prospect playing HSFB right now.

Now, MD did lose a couple games after beating Centennial, but its not like the team other than De La Salle that CC lost to is a nobody.

But I do agree they are ranked too highly. If DLS didnt take the foot off the gas and begin subbing so early when it was 31-7, the game woudlnt have ended up as close as it did.

That said St. X still has my vote for #1

I think you are mistaken about the subbing so early

[lancer1997]

I think you are mistaken about the subbing so early


Nope. if you watch the game youll see in the middle of the 3rd. Its not a full throw in the pups sub, but it is a lets get some people some work sub. A kid here, a kid there...etc.

Also it took a fantastic play by the CC WR to make that 1st TD of the second half. The DLS DB was all over him. Sometimes you just have a one on one matchup that works out in their favor.

In the end though, you also cant penalize CC for losing MD, which is my main point.

Sure CC is probably too high at #11 or wherever they are, but I dont think they are much much much worse simply because they have 2 losses. They lost to a legit top 5 team, and a team who was ranked top 5 when they played as well.

[naughty]

With one week to go before all states are finished, here is the latest summary of the human national polls.

School cnnsi espn prepnation risemag studentsports usatoday Ave Rank
1 Northwestern (Miami, FL) 1 1 2 2 1 1 1.3
2 St. Xavier (Cincinnati, OH) 2 2 1 1 2 5 2.2
3 Katy (TX) 4 5 3 3 4 4 3.8
4 Prattville (AL) 8 9 4 10 5 2 6.3
4 De La Salle (Concord, CA) 11 8 5 5 6 3 6.3
6 Washington (Miami, FL) 6 4 8 6 10 8 7.0
7 Central Catholic (Pittsburgh, PA) 14 11 20 9 7 11 12.0
8 Don Bosco Prep (Ramsey, NJ) 9 12 21 13 12 12 13.2
9 Birmingham (Van Nuys, CA) 13 19 13 15 19 17 16.0
10 Centennial (Corona, CA) 21 15 11 21 18 14 16.7
11 Poly (Long Beach, CA) 19 18 14 17 20 23 18.5
12 Westfield (Chantilly, VA) 20 24 15 16 13 25 18.8

Miami Northwestern is #1 in 4 rankings. St. Xavier is #1 in 2 rankings.

MNW, StX and Katy are the only teams ranked in the top 5 in every human poll.

you are wrong. holding out on the florida team are we. Pahokee florida has an ave human rating of 8.2 putting them at #7

[concha]

DLS led Centennial at one point 31-7 and after surviving a Halloween 12 minutes, came back with the game on the line and drove for the go ahead score and then had 2 stops and won by 6 points

St X never led St Iggy by 24 points and escaped with a 3 point 3 overtime win

St X never led in the semis 31-7 and escaped with a 3 point win 10-7 when the other team had the ball deep inside St X territory and just needed a few more seconds to pull out the win

Neither St Iggy or the semifinal opponent have ever been or are currently ranked near Centennial

Had DLS gone on 4-5 hours down the road after losing their QB the week before, then maybe your asinine comparison would make sense.

Thanks for pointing out that X never blew a big lead. And thanks for pointing out that once a team had scored 31 points, they won't end the game with 10.

[concha]

And it is curious to me that a team that went 13-0 and won the largest division championship in the largest state in the country which has produced more NFL players than any other state and outscored 13 opponents 392-28 in the first half this year can be as low as 8th or 11th on 2 of these polls

what can they do ?

cant play in a bigger division a la BTW

cant play in a larger state a la some of these Missisiippi and ALabama schools

I guess they could ahve outscored their 13 opponents 400-0

oh 392-28 is pretty darn close

Never playing a team that finished with fewer than two losses can have an effect. Only playing two that won 10 games or more can also. Only having one opponent that has hit the rankings radar and even then barely escaping is another.

[consumerman]

Only having one opponent that has hit the rankings radar and even then barely escaping is another.

let's compare

DLS won the largest division championship in the largest state by 6 points, against a national top ten team that was favored to win, and led 31-7 at one point, a six point victory

st x won by just three twice, once against an unranked team which took st x to 3 overtimes and the other game also a win by three when the other team had the ball deep inside st x territory, poised to score as time ran out, another 20 seconds and st x loses

if dls "barely escaped" with a 6 point win over a national top ten to win the largest state championship, what do you call a win over an unranked team by 3 points?

oh I know

domination

hypocrite

[Bordertown]

And it is curious to me that a team that went 13-0 and won the largest division championship in the largest state in the country


Trick question right - Juneau-Douglas (Juneau, AK) But they only won 11 games.

At first I was thinking population. Then I realized California does not have a championship game - only a "Bowl Game" kinda like the New Orleans Bowl between FAU & Memphis.

[consumerman]

Trick question right - Juneau-Douglas (Juneau, AK) But they only won 11 games.

At first I was thinking population. Then I realized California does not have a championship game - only a "Bowl Game" kinda like the New Orleans Bowl between FAU & Memphis.

I guess you missed the post game festivities when the commissioner awarded DLS the Division 1 championship trophy and announced DLS as Division 1 CHAMPIONS

[Bordertown]

Like you I did not attend the game.

I understood California had a Bowl Game where one team from the Southern part of the state was INVITED to play a team from the northern part of the state. Did they change the format in 2007?

But congrats on the "STATE CHAMPIONSHIP":shrug:

[consumerman]

Like you I did not attend the game.

I understood California had a Bowl Game where one team from the Southern part of the state was INVITED to play a team from the northern part of the state. Did they change the format in 2007?

But congrats on the "STATE CHAMPIONSHIP":shrug:

De La Salle (Concord, Calif.) has long been one of the country's top high school football teams, but Saturday the Spartans silenced a few doubters by defeating Centennial (Corona) 37-31 for the Division I California championship.

Quote from USA Today, another proof source

sorry you dont like our playoffs where DLS won 4 playoff games in a unified division

then tell us when Texas no longer splits its 5A division into 2 parts and no longer waters down the quality with 4th place league finishers who sometimes are 3-7 or 5-5 making the playoffs

At least California has a unified playoff division for its top bracket

Texas can NOT say that

[consumerman]

CARSON, Calif. (AP) — Noah Perio caught a 25-yard touchdown pass from Mike MacGillivray with 5:09 to play to give De La Salle a 37-31 victory over Centennial in the second annual California Interscholastic Federation's Division I state championship Saturday night.
The Spartans (13-0 and ranked No. 3 in USA TODAY's Super 25) became the first team from Northern California to earn a state football title since Berkeley won in 1924, although the Concord, Calif., school has won won 16 straight North Coast Section championships.

they do teach reading and comprehension in texas dont they?

[Bordertown]

Nope!!!!!!!!! Just football.

I am not getting into the trap of whose system is worse. They both need serious over hauls. Some more than others and we will disagree on that fine point.

Merry Christmas.

[concha]

In a state the size of California you can win a big school title by playing just two teams that manage to win more than ten in a season? You can do it never running into an undefeated team?

Wow. Tough stuff.

Forgive me while I pass out from laughter.

[consumerman]

laugh all you want you are just continuing to show your ignorance and bias

DLS outscored 13 opponents 392-28 in the first half
St X allowed 24 points in 1 half

St X had 2 narrow escapes - both 3 point wins they could easily have lost

California is 3-0 in the herbie including wins by a team that not only did not win 10 games in california, they barely won 5

the gcl went winless in the herbie last year
and took a miracle comeback this year in 1 game to barely scrape 2-2 in the herbie

that is worth laughing at

and then when the little boys are allowed to travel they would not even go 2-6

laugh
laugh
laugh

[concha]

laugh all you want you are just continuing to show your ignorance and bias

DLS outscored 13 opponents 392-28 in the first half [Given DLS's schedule, what a shocker]
St X allowed 24 points in 1 half [No, they didn't. You're wrong! Another shocker....]

St X had 2 narrow escapes - both 3 point wins they could easily have losty [DLS played one decent team and almost lost. And you're talking trash about X? LMAO!!!!!!]

California is 3-0 in th eherbie [Which has zero relevance to X and DLS. You being irrelevant. Yet another shocker.]

the gcl went winless in the herbie last year [Consumerman. Lord of the Irrelevant]and took a miracle comeback this year to barely scrape 2-2 in the herbie

that is worth laughing at

and then when the little boys are allowed to travel they would not even go 2-6

laugh
laugh
laugh

One decent opponent. One near loss. Coincidence?

[consumerman]

Cal High was 11-1 and a state top team and only loss was on a last second FG 10-9 to a team that won its section

DLS beat them, 37-0


they didnt slip by 10-7 with the other team inside the 15 ready to take the lead

they didnt trail any team by 24-13 as st x did

they didnt need three overtimes to be a team that used to be good 15 years agi

[concha]

DLS played one decent team and nearly lost. Everybody knows it. Deal with it.

Dismissed.

[consumerman]

DLS played one decent team and nearly lost. Everybody knows it. Deal with it.

Dismissed.

curious that MV isnt a decent team (I agree) but they BEAT a socalled GCL playoff power

curious that Cal Hi is not decent

curious that a 6 point win to a national top ten is a game "nearly lost"

so what dois that make a 3 point 3 overtime win over an unranked team>>


CHOKE CITY?

[consumerman]

DLS can claim to have won the biggest division championship in the largest state

DLS can claim to outscoring its opponents 392-28 in the first half

DLS never trailed by 24-13 to anyone, let alone a 2 loss team

DLS never took 3 overtimes to beat an unranked team

DLS never had a slim 3 point lead with the opponent within 1 play from less than 20 yards to score

DLS never scored as few as 10 points a game (or 17)

[consumerman]

MNW has the most #1 rankings

ST X played the toughest schedule but had the 2 closest near-losses

DLS outscored its opponents 392-28 in the first half and won the largest division championship in the largest state

[concha]

DLS can claim to have won the biggest division championship in the largest state

DLS can claim to outscoring its opponents 392-28 in the first half

DLS never trailed by 24-13 to anyone, let alone a 2 loss team

DLS never took 3 overtimes to beat an unranked team

DLS never had a slim 3 point lead with the opponent within 1 play from less than 20 yards to score

DLS never scored as few as 10 points a game (or 17)

Playing on the Cupcake Tour can make anyone look good.

Oh, and the disingenuousness of saying "the biggest division championship in the largest state" is galactic in its enormity. The Alaska big school champ would be more honest and genuine in making such a statement. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[consumerman]

P.S.

DLS a la MNW vs SLC took a knee inside the 5 yard line in their 6 point victory

St X hung on for dear life in two games they won by three

notice the ST x backers can never explain away two three point wins they came very close to losing
and did not take a knee in those games except after the game when they thanked the lord for their lucky wins

[djtomr941]

Playing on the Cupcake Tour can make anyone look good.

Oh, and the disingenuousness of saying "the biggest division championship in the largest state" is galactic in its enormity. The Alaska big school champ would be more honest and genuine in making such a statement. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

St. X would not have beaten SLC in TX in my opinion. MNW did. I just don't see St. X matching up well with MNW. I think they lose. That is why I would rank MNW higher than St. X.

[Bordertown]

DLS can claim to have won the biggest division championship in the largest state

Yes they can. I can claim to be Santa Claus of my household.

DLS can claim to outscoring its opponents 392-28 in the first half

In most states they play two halves. But being the largest state I guess that is how you compensate by playing 24 minute games.

DLS never trailed by 24-13 to anyone, let alone a 2 loss team

I checked Texas High - They never did either. They trailed in some games and lost but never by 21-13.

DLS never took 3 overtimes to beat an unranked team

Define unranked. Calpreps ranks everyone and they are your standard.

DLS never had a slim 3 point lead with the opponent within 1 play from less than 20 yards to score

Wow

DLS never scored as few as 10 points a game (or 17)

And they never played SLC

[WoodyHayes]

1 - MNW
2 - Booker T
3 - Katy
4 X and DLS pretty even

Down the list at 142 is Southlake Carroll. There little run is over.

[consumerman]

1 - MNW
2 - Booker T
3 - Katy
4 X and DLS pretty even

Down the list at 142 is Southlake Carroll. There little run is over.

1. MNW
2. ST X
3. DLS
4. Katy
5. Havent seen BTW so I cant rank them higher

4 team tourney
#1 MNW vs #4 Katy
MNW 30-21
#2 ST X vs #3 DLS
ST X 21-20

#1 MNW vs #2 ST X
MNW 21 ST X 16

[SLCDad]

It appears that ESPN will put Katy #1 in their final ranking.

http://katytimes.com/articles/2007/12/22/sports/00state.txt

If everything else stays the same (which may not happen) that will result in the following from the human polls.

MNW - 3 #1 rankings
StX - 2 #1 rankings
Katy - 1 #1 ranking

On the other hand, the article about Katy as #1 may be hearsay because ESPN would have to leap frog them over a couple of teams. We'll see in a couple of days.

[SLCDad]

Down the list at 142 is Southlake Carroll. There little run is over.

I take that as a compliment that you are so obsessed with SLC. Thanks.

[RidgePride]

It appears that ESPN will put Katy #1 in their final ranking.

http://katytimes.com/articles/2007/12/22/sports/00state.txt

If everything else stays the same (which may not happen) that will result in the following from the human polls.

MNW - 3 #1 rankings
StX - 2 #1 rankings
Katy - 1 #1 ranking

On the other hand, the article about Katy as #1 may be hearsay because ESPN would have to leap frog them over a couple of teams. We'll see in a couple of days.

Well if you look at it like this

Abilene beats Southlake Carroll
Pflugerville beats Abilene
Katy beats Pflugerville by 21

MNW is most likely about 14 points better than SLC and I think Katy is too.
ST. X is right up there as well although I believe ST.X vs SLC is a toss up game with the winner being the home team.

My personal belief is that it should be

MNW
ST. X
Katy
DLS
Booker T Washington

[SLCDad]

Well if you look at it like this

Abilene beats Southlake Carroll
Pflugerville beats Abilene
Katy beats Pflugerville by 21

MNW is most likely about 14 points better than SLC and I think Katy is too.
ST. X is right up there as well although I believe ST.X vs SLC is a toss up game with the winner being the home team.

My personal belief is that it should be

MNW
ST. X
Katy
DLS
Booker T Washington

I'm not sure what your point is, but I will say that SLC beats Abilene by 21-28 points if Riley Dodge stays in the game. SLC vs. Katy would have been a great game. However, Riley got knocked out of the game and Abilene deserved to win fair and square.

[consumerman]

I'm not sure what your point is, but I will say that SLC beats Abilene by 21-28 points if Riley Dodge stays in the game. SLC vs. Katy would have been a great game. However, Riley got knocked out of the game and Abilene deserved to win fair and square.

The problem is SLC runs a wide open 4 wide reciever offense and that as I have quoted Bill Walsh numerous times leaves your QB vulnerable to injury

In both SLC losses, Dodge was beaten up and the wide open offense which works great against weaker teams was actually SLC's downfall as it could not protect Dodge

SLC deserved to lose not because RIley was unlucky to be injured but because their offense predisposed him to injury

Abilene won fair and square

[SLCDad]

The problem is SLC runs a wide open 4 wide reciever offense and that as I have quoted Bill Walsh numerous times leaves your QB vulnerable to injury

In both SLC losses, Dodge was beaten up and the wide open offense which works great against weaker teams was actually SLC's downfall as it could not protect Dodge

SLC deserved to lose not because RIley was unlucky to be injured but because their offense predisposed him to injury.

LOL Frankly, you have no clue. Give me a break. This post is so goofy I won't bother to refute it.

[WoodyHayes]

Actually it is a pretty technically sound post. Its obvious some here understand the x's and o's and some do not.

[pied]

Actually it is a pretty technically sound post. Its obvious some here understand the x's and o's and some do not.

May be true, but more often than not people try and put their own bias in them.

I would ask which offense predisposes a QB to more risk, a passing one or an option attack where the QB is likely to get hit on nearly every play as a ball carrier or decoy?

[consumerman]

May be true, but more often than not people try and put their own bias in them.

I would ask which offense predisposes a QB to more risk, a passing one or an option attack where the QB is likely to get hit on nearly every play as a ball carrier or decoy?

Please note I "predicted" an injury to Dodge back in the early fall

a QB throwing the ball leaves himself vulnerable

an option QB that practices running every day knows and expects to get hit and how to absorb it, an option QB is vulnerable in pro fb, this is high school

a passing QB with tight ends and 2 backs has much better protection than a wide open 4 wide receiver 1 back passing offense

ask bill walsh

[pied]

Please note I "predicted" an injury to Dodge back in the early fall

a QB throwing the ball leaves himself vulnerable

an option QB that practices running every day knows and expects to get hit and how to absorb it, an option QB is vulnerable in pro fb, this is high school

a passing QB with tight ends and 2 backs has much better protection than a wide open 4 wide receiver 1 back passing offense

ask bill walsh

Bill Walsh is dead. Unless you know a medium I'll have a hard time asking him.

Any guess on how many yards/TD's RD has scored? I think the point has some validity, but also is a reach by a guy who simply hates kids that play on a certain high school team.

[consumerman]

Bill Walsh is dead. Unless you know a medium I'll have a hard time asking him.

Any guess on how many yards/TD's RD has scored? I think the point has some validity, but also is a reach by a guy who simply hates kids that play on a certain high school team.

read his books

you are wrong on the sercond point

[pied]

I disagree on both points.

In both SLC losses, Dodge was beaten up and the wide open offense which works great against weaker teams was actually SLC's downfall as it could not protect Dodge

Dodge was hit after he released the ball throwing a TD. He has run for 2,000 yards and 20+ TD's in two years. He was not "beaten up" in the game against Abilene. It is a play that happens in every game. He landed wrong and seperated his shoulder.

When DLS played ECA, who started and ended at QB? How did he get hurt? Was it the system, or just what happens in football?

As far as hating players who simply play for the wrong team, I would refer to your comment regarding Tre Newton being a "drug user like his dad no doubt" as exhibit A.

[consumerman]

I disagree on both points.



Dodge was hit after he released the ball throwing a TD. He has run for 2,000 yards and 20+ TD's in two years. He was not "beaten up" in the game against Abilene. It is a play that happens in every game. He landed wrong and seperated his shoulder.

When DLS played ECA, who started and ended at QB? How did he get hurt? Was it the system, or just what happens in football?

As far as hating players who simply play for the wrong team, I would refer to your comment regarding Tre Newton being a "drug user like his dad no doubt" as exhibit A.

1) Riley got injured in a 4 wide receiver no pass protection offense, yes he threw a TD ... what is more important, throwing a TD or missing 3/4 of the game because he got injured passing from a no protection spread formation, who won the game?

2) Lopina's injury was a turf injury, he was not even hit ... shows how poor your knoweldge is

3) the quote for young Mr Newton was from Sept 2006 (15 months ago) and was a humorous attempt to ridicule those who were propping up the elder Mr. Newton as a model SLC citizen, I regret attaching the comment to the lad, I stand by making the comment about the father

[pied]

1) Riley got injured in a 4 wide receiver no pass protection offense, yes he threw a TD ... what is more important, throwing a TD or missing 3/4 of the game because he got injured passing from a no protection spread formation, who won the game?-Tre is an excellent blocker as well as receiver/rusher. Not sold that he is UT material, but the coaches do. I have seen enough QB's not running a spread go down on a hit after the throw to not get worked up over this one.

2) Lopina's injury was a turf injury, he was not even hit ... shows how poor your knoweldge is-So it was just what happens in football. Has a DLS QB ever gotten hit after throwing the ball? If so how did it happen?

3) the quote for young Mr Newton was from Sept 2006 (15 months ago) and was a humorous attempt to ridicule those who were propping up the elder Mr. Newton as a model SLC citizen, I regret attaching the comment to the lad, I stand by making the comment about the father

I do not believe it was propping him up as a model citzen, rather a silly attempt to show how many former NFL players were in attendance. Either way, nice you regret, but I think it shows your contempt for everything associated with Southlake.

[consumerman]

I do not believe it was propping him up as a model citzen, rather a silly attempt to show how many former NFL players were in attendance. Either way, nice you regret, but I think it shows your contempt for everything associated with Southlake.

you are wrong and uninformed

[pied]

you are wrong and uninformed

True, your love for the town is well known. Here is the song you composed about the place...

i think frank sinatra sang the ultimate song about chicago, my kind of town
I think if he were alive today...

"my kind of town, south lake is
the dragons, south lake is

we love ourselves, south lake is
we have no crime, south lake is

we are rich, south lake is
our kids go to college, south lake is

we are the best football team in history (2004-2006), south lake is
we love the trinity coach, south lake is

most of all we have daditis, south lake is
the perfect city, south lake is My kiiiiiiiind of tooooooooooown

y'all

Meant with the utmost respect I am sure....

[Chicago]

I may be delirious, but I remember watching 1991 Permian on TV (probably in the state championship game), and I remember that the QB pitching to the RB and then blocking was a pretty standard play for them.

I don't think the QB was a huge key to their offense. It seemed like if something happened to him they'd just send in another one and be fine.

It made sense that at the high school level you don't automatically treat your QB like he's Joe Montana. Unless he's really good and if he goes down you're done.

Of course, I might have dreamed the whole thing.

They finished USA Today #2, by the way, and moved up about 15 or 20 spots the last five or six weeks, I think.

[naughty]

It appears that ESPN will put Katy #1 in their final ranking.

http://katytimes.com/articles/2007/12/22/sports/00state.txt

If everything else stays the same (which may not happen) that will result in the following from the human polls.

MNW - 3 #1 rankings
StX - 2 #1 rankings
Katy - 1 #1 ranking

On the other hand, the article about Katy as #1 may be hearsay because ESPN would have to leap frog them over a couple of teams. We'll see in a couple of days.

wrong.

[ThEfOoTbAlLsTaTe]

USA Today really hammered X for the Iggy result, despite the new QB.

Prattville hasn't played as tough a schedule and has had a close call or two also (ex. 10-7 versus Opelika with no effect on their ranking).

Katy has been winning very impressively, but they really haven't faced what you'd expect to see in Texas 5A. Their best competitor so far has been Madison. That said, only one team has really even kept it reasonably close with them all year. They've looked like a machine.

It will be interesting to see what happens with DLS after the Centennial game, but I don't see USA Today dropping them down at all.

Shows what you know.. I've seen Katy play in nearly every game, this post-season... the toughest team (by far) they faced was Pasadena Memorial. Pflugerville was 2nd, in my opinion.

[D-Swizzel102]

curious that MV isnt a decent team (I agree) but they BEAT a socalled GCL playoff power

curious that a 6 point win to a national top ten is a game "nearly lost"

so what dois that make a 3 point 3 overtime win over an unranked team>>


CHOKE CITY?

so called power??? I don't think anybody would call Moe a "power" anymore. and I would imagine a 3 point 3 overtime win over a rival would be as near a loss as the six point win. the other team scores a touchdown in either and they win.

DLS can claim to have won the biggest division championship in the largest state

DLS can claim to outscoring its opponents 392-28 in the first half

DLS never trailed by 24-13 to anyone, let alone a 2 loss team

DLS never took 3 overtimes to beat an unranked team

DLS never had a slim 3 point lead with the opponent within 1 play from less than 20 yards to score

DLS never scored as few as 10 points a game (or 17)

1) State Champs. 2) I love how you use the 392-28 in the first half stat ALL THE TIME. The only stat you use actually...What was DLS's opponents record? 3) True, but that two loss team was a state champion as well. 4) True, but I don't think DLS travelled to Cleveland to play The Jesuit Bowl in 30+ mph winds with a sophomore quarterback making his first start. 5) That opponent was 13-0 and had the most potent offense in the state. I believe four D-I signees. Also Massa, played worse in this game than he did against Iggy. 6) Specht's offenses are known for being conservative, ball protection/time consuming offenses. If you knew anything about X, you would know that Specht has absolutely no qualms about putting a game in the hands of his defense.


Oh, and State Champs.

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[consumerman]

St X had a great season

so did DLS

I can allow both

you cant

[DLSfanNW]

Three words...

Co National Champs

[RidgePride]

Please note I "predicted" an injury to Dodge back in the early fall

a QB throwing the ball leaves himself vulnerable

an option QB that practices running every day knows and expects to get hit and how to absorb it, an option QB is vulnerable in pro fb, this is high school

a passing QB with tight ends and 2 backs has much better protection than a wide open 4 wide receiver 1 back passing offense

ask bill walsh

MNW runs the same 4 wide system. How come Harris did not get injured. The QB from ST. X got injured in a more traditional system. I would bet the percentages are very close for QB injuries in a spread offense vs a traditional set in HIGH SCHOOL.

In Professional football, as I am sure Bill Walsh was referring to, I bet a QB would be more likely for injury.

Give it up you are really reaching - --

[D-Swizzel102]

St X had a great season

so did DLS

I can allow both

you cant

hopefully that wasn't directed toward me...

[consumerman]

In Professional football, as I am sure Bill Walsh was referring to, I bet a QB would be more likely for injury.

Bill Walsh started his coaching career at Washington High in Fremont CA

He coached as an assistant coach at Cal and Stanford in the ;ate fifties and early 60s

He returned to Stanford as head coach n 1977-78 and won two bowl games

He did not coach a 4 wide receiver no-protection offense at any level

[pied]

In Professional football, as I am sure Bill Walsh was referring to, I bet a QB would be more likely for injury.

Bill Walsh started his coaching career at Washington High in Fremont CA

He coached as an assistant coach at Cal and Stanford in the ;ate fifties and early 60s

He returned to Stanford as head coach n 1977-78 and won two bowl games

He did not coach a 4 wide receiver no-protection offense at any level

That is shocking. It is crazy to think a man who is known for developing an offensive system, didn't use another system at any level. I assume that Darrel Royal/Woody Hayes/George Halas/ had their criticisms of the West Coast offense, who cares.

I know Lad has said that High School players are not skilled enough to be in an exclusive passing offense. There seems to be plenty of succesful teams out there passing the ball all over the field from a 4-5 wide set. Seems that Lad is set in his ways. No big deal, but it would be silly to say otherwise.

Just like saying that SLC was bound to lose because their QB was set up to be hurt.

[SLCDad]

Consumerman's attempts to claim that every team that runs the spread offense is leaving their QB exposed is laughable. Give me a break. No doubt Consumerman knows better than the thousands of high school, college and professional coaches who run similar offensive sets.

He can't provide ANY evidence or facts to back up his statements. It's just heresay.

[pied]

Consumerman's attempts to claim that every team that runs the spread offense is leaving their QB exposed is laughable. Give me a break.

He can't provide ANY evidence or facts to back up his statements. It's just heresay.

Bill Walsh said so. He also ran a little option during the replacement games.

[pied]

Three words...

Co National Champs


I think you meant Tri National Champs

[SLCDad]

I think you meant Tri National ChampsIf the story out of Katy turns out to be true it's Quad.

[SLCDad]

If the story out of Katy turns out to be true it's Quad.

Story isn't true so it's Tri National Champs.

[SLCDad]

It appears that ESPN will put Katy #1 in their final ranking.

http://katytimes.com/articles/2007/12/22/sports/00state.txt

If everything else stays the same (which may not happen) that will result in the following from the human polls.

MNW - 3 #1 rankings
StX - 2 #1 rankings
Katy - 1 #1 ranking

On the other hand, the article about Katy as #1 may be hearsay because ESPN would have to leap frog them over a couple of teams. We'll see in a couple of days.

It appears the "other hand" is the truth here. ESPN's rankings were final a couple of weeks ago. There is a national poll that has Katy #1 but it's not ESPN. It's some kind of bogus TV fan poll.

The article linked above is wrong.

[concha]

Here is the rating that has Katy #1. But not really.

For some reason the national compilation excluded X. X is actually ranked higher than Katy.

http://www.footballpower.tv/ratings/spc/60

http://www.footballpower.tv/teams/hs/12331