Texas HS playoffs update

[sa68ag]

State semis large 5A:
Euless Trinity beat Plano in double ot
A 10-4 Converse Judson out of San Antonio stunned an undefeated Galena Park North Shore of Houston 28-7

Trinity shoud beat Judson handily next weekend

Small 5-A
Katy demolisihed SA Madison 66-21
Pflugerville (12-3 team from Austin area) beat Abilene (SLC's conqueror) 20-14 in OT

Finals should be boring with Katy probably trouncing P-Ville

Both finals games look like mismatches.

Katy appears to be far and away the top team in Texas this year and a top 5 national team that could play with anyone.

In other news, Liberty Hill trounced Gilmer 38-13.

[SLCDad]

Both of the Texas 5A title games this week will include a team that finished 4th in their district during regular season play. Converse Judson was 6-4 and Pflugerville was 7-3 after 10 games. Prior to 2006 neither team would have even made the playoffs.

Katy is looking absolutely unstoppable. I agree with sa68ag, Katy could play with any team in the country. Last week they scored 52 unanswered points against a very good San Antonio Madison team. Katy won't be ranked #1 nationally by anybody BUT they are arguably as good an any team in the country right now.

[Chicago]

http://www.chron.com/sports/highschoolsports/results.html?site=default&tpl=Boxscore&ID=8720&Sport=1&TeamID=1928&SearchType=Teams

I've never understood the whole "unanswered points" thing.

Katy's first 7 answered Madison's first 7. Then Katy scored another 14. So at that point, 14 had been unanswered. But then Madison answered 7. So only 7 were unanswered. Then Katy scored 35. So 42 were unanswered. Madison socred 7, so 35 were unanswered. Then Katy scored 10 to end it, leaving a total of 45 unanswered, which, amazingly enough, is what they won by.

I hate it when one team is said to score 21 unanswered and then the other team supposedly scores 28 unanswered. Unanswered should not be used as a synonym for consecutive.

[consumerman]

BUT they are arguably as good an any team in the country right now.

that is what you said about SLC about 3 weeks ago isnt it?

when you keep saying that about your homer state's schools there is no credibility

oh that was never a concern of yours I forgot

still think SLC would beat DLS by 28 minimum this year??????

y'all

[consumerman]

Unanswered should not be used as a synonym for consecutive.

Sandy Koufax had a remark once after giving up a 3 run HR after a 2 out error and the reporter asked him if unearned runs bothered him

"I think he earned them very nicely with his HR"

[consumerman]

Both finals games look like mismatches.

another argument against the watered down split playoffs

[EaglePride01]

Whats the deal with this years Judson team? Are they playing out of their minds right now, or has their competition so far in the playoffs been weak? I thought North Shore was supposed to be legit.

And someone correct me if Im wrong, but isnt Converse Judson a pretty storied program in the state of Texas? How many state titles?

[sa68ag]

Judson is a strange story this year. In the last month of district play they went 1-3. They play in the most competitive and arguably toughest district in the state. Four different schools in 26-5A have won state titles and two others have advanced to the finals and Madison has been to the semis a couple of time.All 4 playoff teams advanced to the quarterfinals this year. Judson has played really well the last two games after not playing that great in the first couple of rounds. They have a great winning tradition - 6 state championships and about the same number of losses in state title games. At one time they had a big enrollment edge with 4,500 to 5,000 students but a couple of years ago they opened another school in the district. I don't think they have many D1 propects this year. I'd say most people in San Antonio are shocked that they're in the championship game; they just haven't been very good this year. They played Trinity in the finals 2 years ago and played a good first half but were dominated in the second half. I'd expect a similar result this year.

[SLCDad]

BUT they are arguably as good an any team in the country right now.

that is what you said about SLC about 3 weeks ago isnt it?

when you keep saying that about your homer state's schools there is no credibility

oh that was never a concern of yours I forgot

still think SLC would beat DLS by 28 minimum this year??????

y'all

Yes, absolutely. I believe a healthy SLC team could play with anybody in the country (and I'd pick them to win).

My personal national ranking is:

#1 MNW
#2 Katy
#3 StX
#4 DLS

[Chicago]

Turn those machines back on!

[SLCDad]

Both finals games look like mismatches.

another argument against the watered down split playoffs

To look at in another way, the fact that these two fourth place teams advanced to the title games is evidence that adding the fourth team makes the Texas playoffs tougher (which is absolutely true). Adding more teams and more games contributes to the fact that the Texas 5A playoff brackets are the toughest in the country IMO.

[SLCDad]

To look at in another way, the fact that these two fourth place teams advanced to the title games is evidence that adding the fourth team makes the Texas playoffs tougher (which is absolutely true). Adding more teams and more games contributes to the fact that the Texas 5A playoff brackets are the toughest in the country IMO.

Here are my reasons for saying the Texas 5A playoffs are the toughest in the country and not selecting the other top football states.

1. California. California doesn't have a state playoff bracket.
2. Florida. Florida has it's best teams spread over 2A, 3A, 4A, 5A and 6A making no single bracket the dominate bracket.
3. Ohio. D1 is very tough bracket and I'd say very close to Texas 5A. However I give Texas the edge because 1) Texas is more than twice as big as Ohio, 2) plays more playoff games and 3) the Ohio top bracket includes smaller schools than the Texas 5A brackets.
4. Pennsylvania. If I'm not mistaken, the top privates and top publics play in different playoff brackets.

The Texas 5A playoff brackets are the toughest in the country.

[consumerman]

The Texas 5A playoff brackets are the toughest in the country.

the fact that there are brackets and not just 1 bracket seriously weakens your deduction

[WoodyHayes]

Here are my reasons for saying the Texas 5A playoffs are the toughest in the country and not selecting the other top football states.

1. California. California doesn't have a state playoff bracket.
2. Florida. Florida has it's best teams spread over 2A, 3A, 4A, 5A and 6A making no single bracket the dominate bracket.
3. Ohio. D1 is very tough bracket and I'd say very close to Texas 5A. However I give Texas the edge because 1) Texas is more than twice as big as Ohio, 2) plays more playoff games and 3) the Ohio top bracket includes smaller schools than the Texas 5A brackets.
4. Pennsylvania. If I'm not mistaken, the top privates and top publics play in different playoff brackets.

The Texas 5A playoff brackets are the toughest in the country. You are so out of it. Texas high school football is not that impressive this year. Period.

[RidgePride]

You are so out of it. Texas high school football is not that impressive this year. Period.

Uhhhh! WRONG!

Texas high school football is impressive Every Year!! Just because we may not have the #1 team in the nation does not mean Texas high school football is not impressive. TX HIGH School football is year in and out #1 with all factors included.


I agree with SLC Dad - Ohio is the only state that may AT TIMES equal TX in playoff football rigor.
If The stars align right and all the big dogs in TX are in one bracket, it is THE toughest in the nation - and the other bracket is average.
So Ohio would be better than one TX bracket but not as good as the other.
If the big dogs are equally split I think both brackets are equal to Ohio's.

Again We have double the good teams as Ohio - so an evenly split TX bracket is about what you would get in Ohio - IMHO.
No other playoff system is close.

Ohio to Texas is like comparing Canada to America.
They are similar in many ways but they are like our little brother of the North.

[Chicago]

I think Texas 5A (both of them) are very, very tough.

So tough, in fact, that no one should have to make ridiculously stupid arguments defending them.

While adding a 4th team from each district possibly made the playoffs tougher for the teams that Judson and Pflugerville beat (those teams might have lost anyway), it also quite possibly made the playoffs easier for Trinity and Katy (although results of the finals are still pending, obviously).

Trinity misses North Shore and Katy misses Abilene.

And, of course, in other news, the two winners will miss each other.

[Chicago]

Texas football is absolutely impressive every year, but sometimes only because Texans are impressed by it.

[sa68ag]

I like many aspects of the Texas playoff system and there are some I don't like. I like the fact that teams are not selected by polls or computers. I don't like the fact the under the super expanded version a number of teams with losing records get into the playoffs and I don't like the fact the two superior teams can play each other very early in the playoffs.

One thing I like about the Ohio system is that very weak teams apparently don't get in. However from what I can tell sometimes pretty good teams get eliminated by the computer. That might be corrected by an addtional round of playoffs but it's their system and most seem to think it works fine.

A lot of people criticize the Cali system for not having a true state champ and I think that's valid. The flip side is no state comes close to Cali in population so a section champ there is the equivilent of a state champ of even large states anywhere else. I think the rap on DLS is that nothern Cal is perceived to be much weaker that Southern Cal but when DLS has played top SC teams they've almost always won. Cal's new system seems have resulted in some pretty competitive final games.

Florida seems to have a very good sytem but they might have two may classifications.

The Texas playoffs are definitely a meat grinder and any team that goes through them and dominates all opponents along the way is most certainly one of the top teams in the nation ( just as an Ohio, Cali or Florida team which dominates would be also). I think Texas needs to go back to what has become a distant memory of having a single 5A state champ. It's not going to happen but I think evryone excepe the coaches and school admin people would like to see that.

[SLCDad]

You are so out of it. Texas high school football is not that impressive this year. Period.

LOL Really? Think again.

I'm not sure if Calpreps is back in favor or not but the DLS guys seem to like it now. Calpreps says the top 50 teams in Texas 5A are better than the same group from any other state and it's not even close.

http://calpreps.com/2007/ratings/National_divisions.htm

[Chicago]

Let's see...Texas 5A has maybe 250 teams, Ohio Division I has 120.

So of course, comparing the top 50 from each is useful.

Why not compare the top 120? That might work.

Try the top 50 from Texas and the top 24 from Ohio. See what happens then.

And Illinois doesn't even set classifications until the playoffs, but since there are a little over 500 schools total, and eight classes, if you created a regular season 8A, it would have about 64 teams. So sure, comparing the top 50 of those to the top 50 Texas 5A schools makes perfect sense.

[SLCDad]

Texas football is absolutely impressive every year, but sometimes only because Texans are impressed by it.

Only Texans? Those guys in California seem to be impressed every year.

2007 http://calpreps.com/2007/ratings/National_divisions.htm
2006 http://calpreps.com/2006/ratings/National_divisions.htm
2005 http://calpreps.com/cgi-bin/2005/ratingvw_live.pl?schools=National&type=11_man&group=divisions&sort=rating&span=all_games&margins=yes&show=25&scores=show&submit=submit

[Chicago]

By all means, compound your mistake.

[consumerman]

Texas football is absolutely impressive every year, but sometimes only because Texans are impressed by it.

well let's see

we have the SLC can play with anyone in the country right now (despite 2 losses and an early playoff exit)

oh but they had excuses - injuries, did anyone see Travis Carrie in the DLS game, practically won the game for DLS with big plays on offense (running, receiving) and defense

Travis Carrie missed the better part of 2 years due to injury (heart valve), maybe we can excuse away DLS 3 losses in 2005/06 by saying well we had injuries

and then we have Texas has the best running backs tradition in the nation

and then we have Texas has the toughest playoffs in the nation (how tough are playoffs when 3-7 and 5-5 teams get in and the playoffs are split into 2 separate classes?)

and now we have Katy can play with anyone in the nation

next week we will hear how Texas celebrates Christmas better than any other state in the nation

it does get old and there is little credibility when with every comparison, they say Texas is better

y'all

[consumerman]

The flip side is no state comes close to Cali in population so a section champ there is the equivilent of a state champ of even large states anywhere else



someone finally gets it

[Chicago]

SLC also lost their top quarterback.

No team in the country has two quarterbacks who can play at a high level.

Wait, wait...I know one.

[SLCDad]

The flip side is no state comes close to Cali in population so a section champ there is the equivilent of a state champ of even large states anywhere else

someone finally gets it

Of course you make no effort to back-up your claim with any evidence or analysis whatsoever.

[Chicago]

I don't who this organization calling itself the US Census Bureau is, but I googled for a few minutes and found their list of state-by-state populations.

http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/GCTTable?_bm=y&-geo_id=01000US&-_box_head_nbr=GCT-T1-R&-ds_name=PEP_2006_EST&-_lang=en&-format=US-9S&-_sse=on

I have no idea how they went to so many homes, though. Seems made-up to me.

[Chicago]

Actually, using the census estimates for 2006, and the divisions/classes listed on CalPreps (so Texas gets hit with the private school divisions and Philly gets hit with the two divisions of the Philly Catholic League and that sort of thing), you get this:

1. Florida (2,261,236 people per class)
2. Pennsylvania (2,073,437)
3. Georgia
4. Illinois
6. Texas (1,469,236)
8. Ohio
21. California (775,693 per section)
29. Alabama
33. New Jersey

So California is 21st out of 51 (DC included). If you use the three divisions instead of the 47 sections, California is 1st by a lot (12,152,516).

I could clean it up to streamline the classes (Ohio has eight in this, for example), but I don't want to do that much work (especially since it would mostly be research), at least right now.

[RidgePride]

well let's see

we have the SLC can play with anyone in the country right now (despite 2 losses and an early playoff exit)

oh but they had excuses - injuries, did anyone see Travis Carrie in the DLS game, practically won the game for DLS with big plays on offense (running, receiving) and defense

Travis Carrie missed the better part of 2 years due to injury (heart valve), maybe we can excuse away DLS 3 losses in 2005/06 by saying well we had injuries

and then we have Texas has the best running backs tradition in the nation

and then we have Texas has the toughest playoffs in the nation (how tough are playoffs when 3-7 and 5-5 teams get in and the playoffs are split into 2 separate classes?)

and now we have Katy can play with anyone in the nation

next week we will hear how Texas celebrates Christmas better than any other state in the nation

it does get old and there is little credibility when with every comparison, they say Texas is better

y'all


I stand by my assessment that TX puts out the best NFL running backs.
Cali would be second followed by Florida.

And Katy most definitely could hang with anyone in the nation so could Trinity so could SLC.

Hanging with anyone means to me that it would not be a blow out. I don't think anyone in the nation blows out the top 5 teams in TX. Trinity and Katy would give any team ST. X - MNW - all they would want.

I am not predicting a winner - Just saying these teams would be in dog fights. You can add other teams from other states to the list too. I am just speaking on behalf of TX.

[Chicago]

Permian blew out Trinity.

So Trinity can be blown out.

[consumerman]

Permian blew out Trinity.

So Trinity can be blown out.

lol

[RidgePride]

Permian blew out Trinity.

So Trinity can be blown out.

I am talking about today not the first game of the season.

[consumerman]

I am talking about today not the first game of the season.

Chicago roasted you on this one

you are advised to give up and move on

[RidgePride]

Chicago roasted you on this one

you are advised to give up and move on

He may have roasted me, but I still believe that no team in the country would blow out Trinity if a game were played today.


You are advised to shut the ---- up and move on.

[WoodyHayes]

Here are my reasons for saying the Texas 5A playoffs are the toughest in the country and not selecting the other top football states.

1. California. California doesn't have a state playoff bracket.
2. Florida. Florida has it's best teams spread over 2A, 3A, 4A, 5A and 6A making no single bracket the dominate bracket.
3. Ohio. D1 is very tough bracket and I'd say very close to Texas 5A. However I give Texas the edge because 1) Texas is more than twice as big as Ohio, 2) plays more playoff games and 3) the Ohio top bracket includes smaller schools than the Texas 5A brackets.
4. Pennsylvania. If I'm not mistaken, the top privates and top publics play in different playoff brackets.

The Texas 5A playoff brackets are the toughest in the country. I was talking to my good friend last night (The Ref, remember him?) We were talking about how unexcited we were about the finals today. BORRRRRRING. he did bring up a few points about Judson. Did they have a bunch of early injuries or kids ineligible the first part of the season.
But to answer SLC Dads ridiculous posts,
1 - Take the 4 teams from the finals in TX, and line them up against the top 4 from Cali, Fla, or Ohio this year and Tx gets killed.
2- A healthy SLC (pitifull excuses) does not play with anyone. Get over it. The ref was right.

I have watched both games. Katy is not the 4th best team in the country. Texas Hgh School football is pretty unimpressive this year. These idiots on FSN are true homers pumping up these teams and of all things, Trinity's coach. That is pretty laughable and pretty self explanatory.

[RidgePride]

I have seen nothing from ST.X that makes them look any different than Katy of this year.

The only teams that look impressive on TV are the ones that blow you away with D1 athletes Like MNW and Booker T Washington.

MNW is probably a legit 2 touchdown favorite over SLC. Katy is also probably a legit 2 touchdown favorite over SLC.

TX is ALWAYS strong in FOOTBALL. That is something you need to get over Morning Woody.

[sa68ag]

I watched both games yesterday ( one in person) and I think Katy is a top five team. The other three finalists are definitely 2-4 TD's worse than Katy and would be thumped by top national teams. Katy's RB Dean is a big time player who had committed to UCLA. He will be a very productive D-1 back and might even be an NFL caliber back. Their QB has a live enough arm to be signing with Hawaii. The have a two tall WR's who made some nice catches. I was surprised at how the P-vill D-line was able to presssure them in the first half but Katy made adjustments and flat kicked their butts in the second half. Anyone who doesn't think Katy is a top high school team either has a personal axe to grind or doesn't know squat about high school football. Overall I'd have to say this was not a banner year in terms of great teams in Texas. Lot's of good teams but only one great one.

[WoodyHayes]

Go look at the time I posted that. It was halftime. The second half was a different story. Katy looked pretty darn good. That running back is real good. Now that is a legitimate D-1 back (tre Newton, take notes) and the QB was putting the ball on the money. He also is gonna be a big time D-1 QB (Reilly Dodge,take notes) I jumped the gun on the post about Katy. I think they are actually really good. I liked the part when the coach zipped up and got the gatorade and they got him again when he took off the jacket. Where is Dean going to school?

[RidgePride]

Go look at the time I posted that. It was halftime. The second half was a different story. Katy looked pretty darn good. That running back is real good. Now that is a legitimate D-1 back (tre Newton, take notes) and the QB was putting the ball on the money. He also is gonna be a big time D-1 QB (Reilly Dodge,take notes) I jumped the gun on the post about Katy. I think they are actually really good. I liked the part when the coach zipped up and got the gatorade and they got him again when he took off the jacket. Where is Dean going to school?

Aundre Dean is going to UCLA and he most likely will light it up.
TX appears to be the front runner in putting out legit college and NFL running backs.

I think Katy is right up there with the top teams in the nation. I am not saying they could beat MNW or Booker T Washington. But I think they are very close to ST. X and DLS. Katy is the best team in TX this year but they are not one of those special teams. -