To All Spartans!!

[Buckeye29]

I'm just wondering if what gr1fan posted on the Ellet site is true. He claims that the GYF guys CONTROL our new director, and keep him in check. Is he just a puppet that these guys control? Is he doing what HE believes is best for OUR kids, or what his Green puppet-masters tell him to? Does he wear Spartan red & gray or Green black & orange or maybe it's Lake blue????? Just wondering.

[green pride]

To all Green people please stop trying to convince these people. Buckeye 29 I have coached at Springfield and was asked to have a couple of meetings to help you guys in Florida. Understand people that are on this forum have been lied to by the people that are selling you this new league. If what you say is true and you just want the big kids to play then this will happen in the SYFA. I dont know all the crap that went on in your orginization so I am not going to debate that with you. We have always had a great relationship with Springfield and our only reason for "butting in" as some say is we have been there done that and are trying to help. I will support your Director not control him he has his own mind. I will do this because that is what our league does. PS I am not sure who gr1fan is but he does not speak for me or anyone else in gyf. GR1fan personal message me let me know who you are.

I'm just wondering if what gr1fan posted on the Ellet site is true. He claims that the GYF guys CONTROL our new director, and keep him in check. Is he just a puppet that these guys control? Is he doing what HE believes is best for OUR kids, or what his Green puppet-masters tell him to? Does he wear Spartan red & gray or Green black & orange or maybe it's Lake blue????? Just wondering.

[GRPride86]

Green Pride,

Do you have any specifics out the SYFA for next year? ie...breakdown of teams ages and weights

I know you guys can't change the constitution yet, but I would think that you guys have an idea of what you want to change for next year.

[Buckeye29]

To all Green people please stop trying to convince these people. Buckeye 29 I have coached at Springfield and was asked to have a couple of meetings to help you guys in Florida. Understand people that are on this forum have been lied to by the people that are selling you this new league. If what you say is true and you just want the big kids to play then this will happen in the SYFA. I dont know all the crap that went on in your orginization so I am not going to debate that with you. We have always had a great relationship with Springfield and our only reason for "butting in" as some say is we have been there done that and are trying to help. I will support your Director not control him he has his own mind. I will do this because that is what our league does. PS I am not sure who gr1fan is but he does not speak for me or anyone else in gyf. GR1fan personal message me let me know who you are.

I have no gripes with you Green Pride or anyone trying to help. I guess GR1FAN comes off like he thinks he's better than all of us dumb Springfield people, and it kind of got my goat. My one question for SYF would be if they are going to unlimited weight, what took so long? Why did it take being threatened by teams leaving before they could come up with a way to let all the boys play? This has been an issue since I played pee wees. The diference is back then they were the only game in town, so they didn't have to change. If nothing else, the mere fact that there is another league makes SYF a better league because now they have to be. Don't get me wrong, SYF has been a good league. It's just this one issue. Now that's there competition for these teams between the two leagues SYF has to listen to ALL the issues! Sorry again if I came down on all of Green because of one arrogant ---hole.

[thepolster]

I have no gripes with you Green Pride or anyone trying to help. I guess GR1FAN comes off like he thinks he's better than all of us dumb Springfield people, and it kind of got my goat. My one question for SYF would be if they are going to unlimited weight, what took so long? Why did it take being threatened by teams leaving before they could come up with a way to let all the boys play? This has been an issue since I played pee wees. The diference is back then they were the only game in town, so they didn't have to change. If nothing else, the mere fact that there is another league makes SYF a better league because now they have to be. Don't get me wrong, SYF has been a good league. It's just this one issue. Now that's there competition for these teams between the two leagues SYF has to listen to ALL the issues! Sorry again if I came down on all of Green because of one arrogant ---hole.

29, they are playing there little game with us. Something went down today and not sure what. Dont respond to anymore of there comments. Speak to people only in Springfield. If we dont respond to there post then they will just go home. How bout we go on greens site and start -h-t over there and blame it on them, call them names and lie about everything.

[Yappi]

My one question for SYF would be if they are going to unlimited weight, what took so long?


Why did it take so long? My guess is that there is a huge debate to the merits of going unlimited. With unlimited weight, you will have fewer small kids playing football. Will the bigger kids offset the loss of smaller kids? That's the million dollar question.

The biggest problem with football is that they try to matchup kids based on age and not on skill level. Big kids have a distinct advantage over smaller kids who fear being trampled by the larger kids. Baseball has leagues where very weak 12 year olds can play in the same league as strong 9 year olds. Because football is a contact sport, parents of big kids are fearful of putting their kids up against older kids of similar size. Parents of smaller kids are fearful of putting their kids up against bigger kids of similar age.

What I expect to see from communities that SWITCH over to unlimited weight is a shrinking of the number of kids playing football in that community over a period of time...probably not the first year because of the "buzz" of a new league but it will happen in a couple years. There just aren't very many big (115 pound) 8 year olds who will replace the smaller (50 pounds) 8 year olds that decide not to play. Looking at many of the posts on here, it seems that many of you don't care if the small kids quit playing because if they are "scared" they shouldn't have been out there in the first place.

[GRPride86]

Yappi,

I don't know if that's true or not. I look at the pictures of the kids that play in these "unlimted" leagues and I don't see these giants. I do see, however, kids that weigh 10 or 15 pounds over the listed weight limits.

We have to decide whether these are Rec leagues or Feeder Systems.

Is it OK to have kids sit out two or three years because they are not skinny, and that's what it is. This is not the normal weight of alot of kids. You still have a younger Yappi, once little Yappi is older, he may be a big Yappi and not aloud to play youth.


There were at least 4 kids on Tallmadge's varsity that had to move up to the Middle School because they were about 10 pounds over, but we didn't run them and tell them to diet. We told them to go up to Middle School and play. And they all did very well. They would have all been starters at the youth level, and guess what, they all started as 7th graders at the Middle School.

There has to be a middle ground for all of this. Hopefully, we can find it soon.

[GR1FAN]

I'm just wondering if what gr1fan posted on the Ellet site is true. He claims that the GYF guys CONTROL our new director, and keep him in check. Is he just a puppet that these guys control? Is he doing what HE believes is best for OUR kids, or what his Green puppet-masters tell him to? Does he wear Spartan red & gray or Green black & orange or maybe it's Lake blue????? Just wondering.


Lets not put it that way, He is well informed of what we need of him. He knows all to well that if he leaves syfl there's no turning back. I am sorry to say it but that's what Ellet was faced with. Breaking the rules is not a option here. We plan our future together not as a rivalry. Off the field our objective is clear, getting your future situated. With greens help you may overcome these differences in your community. And to answer the puppet comment, no he is not a puppet but he has to listen to rational people not people who want to split your community to shred's.

[Yappi]

Yappi,

I don't know if that's true or not. I look at the pictures of the kids that play in these "unlimted" leagues and I don't see these giants. I do see, however, kids that weigh 10 or 15 pounds over the listed weight limits.

We have to decide whether these are Rec leagues or Feeder Systems.

Is it OK to have kids sit out two or three years because they are not skinny, and that's what it is. This is not the normal weight of alot of kids. You still have a younger Yappi, once little Yappi is older, he may be a big Yappi and not aloud to play youth.


There were at least 4 kids on Tallmadge's varsity that had to move up to the Middle School because they were about 10 pounds over, but we didn't run them and tell them to diet. We told them to go up to Middle School and play. And they all did very well. They would have all been starters at the youth level, and guess what, they all started as 7th graders at the Middle School.

There has to be a middle ground for all of this. Hopefully, we can find it soon.

If you've read my posts on this subject in the past, you will see that I think the weight limits are too high for the younger ages and too low for the older ages. I would rather they look at the age/weight charts and make the breaks at the 97th percentile. That would mean 3 out of every 100 boys would be ineligible to play. Likely, all three would have some weight issues where it would be benficial for them to lose weight.

Remember, the smaller kids who aren't playing are doing so because of what they fear, which is not always based in reality. Just the mention of unlimited weight is going to be enough to scare kids away. There were three 8 year olds that I tried to get to play but chose not to because they were in the 55 pound range and didn't want to have to face kids twice their size (110 pound weight limit). While we faced players all year that were bigger than us, only a handful broke the 100 pound mark and almost all were 9 year olds playing down. If c-squad had a more reasonable weight limit of 90 pounds, I believe a number of new kids would have played and no one in Tallmadge would have been denied.

Above is the reason that I'm a proponent for realistic weight limits. I really believe that weight limits encourage MORE participation. If I was a high school coach, I would much rather have a huge number of kids playing instead of huge kids playing in youth football.

[greendad]

Yeah, why did it take so long? and why did it take another league being formed (in green) and possibly others (SF & ellet) to finally get someone to think about abolishing the rediculous weight limits?

and what yappi said does have some merit ;
"seems that many of you don't care if the small kids quit playing because if they are "scared" they shouldn't have been out there in the first place."

anyway, the small kids wont quit. the smaller kids dont usually come in contact with the big kids. especially if there is a wieght limit for the ones carrying the ball.

why would a parent encourage a scared kid to play football anyway?

[Smashmouth#1]

Ysppi,

That's good food for thought. Although, I am a proponent of changing the weight limits to allow all of the kids to play, with the exceptions that I have stated before.....and the reasoning behind it. I doublechecked the weight chart, and the 97th percentile is definitely a good point for the boys as they age, but at the younger levels it drops the weight signifigantly from what it currently is. The rationale behind it makes sense though. I think that the SYF will make an acceptable compromise for all involved, as well as all that are thinking about it.

[Smashmouth#1]

29, they are playing there little game with us. Something went down today and not sure what. Dont respond to anymore of there comments. Speak to people only in Springfield. If we dont respond to there post then they will just go home. How bout we go on greens site and start -h-t over there and blame it on them, call them names and lie about everything.

Now, personally, I'm not playing games. The rationale of "don't talk to them and they will go home" really isn't a very good one, to put it nicely. Whatever, at least I got a chuckle out of it.
Once again, personally, I haven't come on this site and called anyone names, ok there is one exception, I did refer to one person as a snake, that was on the Tallmadge site, he was from Green or Springfield or Nordonia, not sure which, I'm pretty sure that he's from Green though; and I could have put things better, but I didn't and I do stand behind what I say. As far as the lying goes, that's not the case at all. If I put out something that I am not sure of then I state that. I operate off of facts and common sense.......
The fact is that you are a propent of going with a new league and you don't want anyone suggesting that it is a bad idea......to use anothers words.....you want to "stifle" us so that you have no opposition to your plans. That's it in a nutshell.

[CIA]

29, they are playing there little game with us. Something went down today and not sure what. Dont respond to anymore of there comments. Speak to people only in Springfield. If we dont respond to there post then they will just go home. How bout we go on greens site and start -h-t over there and blame it on them, call them names and lie about everything. i totally agree with the polster. why is green putting so much energy towards ssyf, and trying to convince us that we are doing the wrong thing? we weren't over there beating on their door when they made their move to change things. i understand a piece of advice, or a suggestion, but this is more than obsessive. and this is for the springfield people only, but there will people from green who will read this and if you(you know who you are) don't reply you will want to.

[CIA]

29, they are playing there little game with us. Something went down today and not sure what. Dont respond to anymore of there comments. Speak to people only in Springfield. If we dont respond to there post then they will just go home. How bout we go on greens site and start -h-t over there and blame it on them, call them names and lie about everything.hey larry i asked the same question on another reply on another thread. i case you didn't see it yet, my question is, is there a schedule for these meetings and is it open to the public? the reason i ask, is because i have a considerable amount of parents and people who would like to see about petition being started to keep our ssyf director form having to contact green to make decisions on our children's future. green has already stated that they have a vested interest in our community.

[Buckeye29]

Why did it take so long? My guess is that there is a huge debate to the merits of going unlimited. With unlimited weight, you will have fewer small kids playing football. Will the bigger kids offset the loss of smaller kids? That's the million dollar question.

The biggest problem with football is that they try to matchup kids based on age and not on skill level. Big kids have a distinct advantage over smaller kids who fear being trampled by the larger kids. Baseball has leagues where very weak 12 year olds can play in the same league as strong 9 year olds. Because football is a contact sport, parents of big kids are fearful of putting their kids up against older kids of similar size. Parents of smaller kids are fearful of putting their kids up against bigger kids of similar age.

What I expect to see from communities that SWITCH over to unlimited weight is a shrinking of the number of kids playing football in that community over a period of time...probably not the first year because of the "buzz" of a new league but it will happen in a couple years. There just aren't very many big (115 pound) 8 year olds who will replace the smaller (50 pounds) 8 year olds that decide not to play. Looking at many of the posts on here, it seems that many of you don't care if the small kids quit playing because if they are "scared" they shouldn't have been out there in the first place.

I'm not so sure you're right about smaller kids not playing or numbers dropping. I'm pretty sure that Lake, North Canton, Massillon, etc.... have had unlimited weight leagues for many years, and I don't see them having any problems with numbers or smaller kids being afraid to play. They always seem to have pretty good high school programs too. I coached C-team for a lot of years and I necer saw a kid that was "afraid" of the bigger kids. I did, however, see a lot of kids that were afraid to hit, and some of those kids were the bigger kids. Any kid that is scared to hit maybe ought to wait until he, or she, matures a little and is not afraid of the contact that comes with football----big or small! My youngest was 52lbs. last year in his second year of C-team and he went up against kids twice his weight every game, so what's a couple more pounds even 10 to 15 more pounds. Kids that big would never be able to catch him anyways. Look around the neighborhoods, you'll see these smaller kids playing pick-up games with the bigger kids all the time. The shame of it is these backyard games has been the only football that the bigger boys have had for years.

[GR1FAN]

I'm not so sure you're right about smaller kids not playing or numbers dropping. I'm pretty sure that Lake, North Canton, Massillon, etc.... have had unlimited weight leagues for many years, and I don't see them having any problems with numbers or smaller kids being afraid to play. They always seem to have pretty good high school programs too. I coached C-team for a lot of years and I necer saw a kid that was "afraid" of the bigger kids. I did, however, see a lot of kids that were afraid to hit, and some of those kids were the bigger kids. Any kid that is scared to hit maybe ought to wait until he, or she, matures a little and is not afraid of the contact that comes with football----big or small! My youngest was 52lbs. last year in his second year of C-team and he went up against kids twice his weight every game, so what's a couple more pounds even 10 to 15 more pounds. Kids that big would never be able to catch him anyways. Look around the neighborhoods, you'll see these smaller kids playing pick-up games with the bigger kids all the time. The shame of it is these backyard games has been the only football that the bigger boys have had for years.

Have you read your own post? byfbyfbyfbf. You got to go with the flow not against us. Don't be a divider.

[greendad]

My thought is; if the syfl does make these "great changes" these changes will be limited at best. they will probably raise the weight limit by 5- 8 lbs.

this would not solve anything...

[Smashmouth#1]

Yeah, why did it take so long? and why did it take another league being formed (in green) and possibly others (SF & ellet) to finally get someone to think about abolishing the rediculous weight limits?

and what yappi said does have some merit ;
"seems that many of you don't care if the small kids quit playing because if they are "scared" they shouldn't have been out there in the first place."

anyway, the small kids wont quit. the smaller kids dont usually come in contact with the big kids. especially if there is a wieght limit for the ones carrying the ball.

why would a parent encourage a scared kid to play football anyway?

The small kids wont come into contact with the big kids. Especially if there is a weight limit for the ones carrying the ball?
-That's contradictory.......the smaller ones, sometimes, but not always, are usually some of the fastest kids on the team, thus making them good prospects for skill positions (handling the ball)..........explain how the small kids wont come into contact with the big kids????????
With weight limits for skill positions actually, the smaller ones are the only ones that are handling the ball.............how does your statement make sense here? Here we are only talking about game situations, I didn't even go to practices.

Parents with, for lack of a better word, timid children, often get their kids involved in sports like football to help get them over their timid nature. That wasn't Yappi's point.......I think that he meant that if a smaller kid has never played football, then he doesn't know that he can handle himself against someone twice his size, with proper technique. Thus the child has a fear of the unknown. This happens a lot at the lower levels with first year players, before they have confidence in their pads. Yappi can confirm or deny that though............

[Smashmouth#1]

My thought is; if the syfl does make these "great changes" these changes will be limited at best. they will probably raise the weight limit by 5- 8 lbs.

this would not solve anything...

Let them make their changes......their is new leadership with new ideas.......no need to speculate just to stir the pot.

[greendad]

What i meant by smaller kids not coming in contact with bigger kids, is during practice, the backs, WR's, DB's practice with each other and the linemen and LB's go together.

in a game situation, the smaller RB's usually get tackled by mid-size backers and smaller DB's not so much by the huge linemen that everyone is so worried about.

[Buckeye29]

Have you read your own post? byfbyfbyfbf. You got to go with the flow not against us. Don't be a divider.

Have you read my posts??? Never have I wrote byfbyfbyf. I have said that the bigger kids should get to play. I also wrote that I don't care which league it is. If SYF decides that it's wrong to keep certain kids from playing football then I'm all for them. All I know is that I've been around SYF for the last 30 years since I played in it and the bigger kids never got to play!!!! I'd say I'm pretty consistant in what I've been saying. Maybe you and our new director should get together and you can come up with some reasons why "ALL" kids shouldn't get to play football. It's a very simple concept----ALL KIDS SHOULD GET THE SAME OPPORTUNITY TO PLAY FOOTBALL!!!!! It's almost criminal to exclude these kids.

[Smashmouth#1]

It's a very simple concept----ALL KIDS SHOULD GET THE SAME OPPORTUNITY TO PLAY FOOTBALL!!!!! It's almost criminal to exclude these kids.

Ok.....well we do agree there. any thoughts on limiting the kids that can advance the ball? I have posed this situation before, just to keep everything in the open.........You have a horse that is as fast as lightning and obviously your best choice for running back.....hey lets go a step farther.......say he's been playing running back for 4 years and done a wonderful job......he comes into practice this year and you and he both know that he is the best person for the position......and he has earned it......say the limit is 125lbs......he comes in at 129 1/2..................how do you blackstripe him and put him on the line.......

I do think that the SYF will make some adjustments to weights etc and deal with the issues at hand.
And the weight issues were put into place for safety purposes....agree with it or not........it was a rule that thought of the kids first.......ok the majority of the kids............and there are many many youth organizations including Pop Warner that have more stringent weight limits than that of the SYFL.

As far as BYF goes.........na....nevermind

[Irish87]

Why did it take so long? My guess is that there is a huge debate to the merits of going unlimited. With unlimited weight, you will have fewer small kids playing football. Will the bigger kids offset the loss of smaller kids? That's the million dollar question.

The biggest problem with football is that they try to matchup kids based on age and not on skill level. Big kids have a distinct advantage over smaller kids who fear being trampled by the larger kids. Baseball has leagues where very weak 12 year olds can play in the same league as strong 9 year olds. Because football is a contact sport, parents of big kids are fearful of putting their kids up against older kids of similar size. Parents of smaller kids are fearful of putting their kids up against bigger kids of similar age.

What I expect to see from communities that SWITCH over to unlimited weight is a shrinking of the number of kids playing football in that community over a period of time...probably not the first year because of the "buzz" of a new league but it will happen in a couple years. There just aren't very many big (115 pound) 8 year olds who will replace the smaller (50 pounds) 8 year olds that decide not to play. Looking at many of the posts on here, it seems that many of you don't care if the small kids quit playing because if they are "scared" they shouldn't have been out there in the first place.

Yappi does make a valid point. Keep in mind, there are many children who don't play Youth Football at a younger age, because "mom" will not let her child play, for fear of getting hurt. Many times, at the age of 7 or 8, its not the childs decision to play, its the parents. And don't forget, there are many seperated/divorced parents now a days, and a fathers choice is not brought into the decsion making, if the mom has custody. Going to unlimited weights for the younger ages, may raise more questions to whether a "smaller" child has a chance to play. I have talked to many kids ages 7, 8 and 9, where they have told me "mom will not let me play".

Just another thing to keep in mind.

[greendad]

Ok.....well we do agree there. any thoughts on limiting the kids that can advance the ball? I have posed this situation before, just to keep everything in the open.........You have a horse that is as fast as lightning and obviously your best choice for running back.....hey lets go a step farther.......say he's been playing running back for 4 years and done a wonderful job......he comes into practice this year and you and he both know that he is the best person for the position......and he has earned it......say the limit is 125lbs......he comes in at 129 1/2..................how do you blackstripe him and put him on the line.......

I do think that the SYF will make some adjustments to weights etc and deal with the issues at hand.
And the weight issues were put into place for safety purposes....agree with it or not........it was a rule that thought of the kids first.......ok the majority of the kids............and there are many many youth organizations including Pop Warner that have more stringent weight limits than that of the SYFL.

As far as BYF goes.........na....nevermind


going to unlimited weight does have some rules for the safety of the kids. that 129.5 back would have to drop that 5 lbs. if playing back is that important to him, if not or maybe his parents wont let him lose the weight, then yes, he does play line. at least he doesnt sit from the bench/stands and watch!

syf should have delt with this issue long, long ago, then you wouldnt have have the 2 league problem.

[Smashmouth#1]

going to unlimited weight does have some rules for the safety of the kids. that 129.5 back would have to drop that 5 lbs. if playing back is that important to him, if not or maybe his parents wont let him lose the weight, then yes, he does play line. at least he doesnt sit from the bench/stands and watch!

syf should have delt with this issue long, long ago, then you wouldnt have have the 2 league problem.

Adovcating dieting for youth sports is in no way in the best interests of the kid.

And the wieght issue wasnt the reason for the other league.

[thepolster]

Advocating dieting for youth sports is in no way in the best interests of the kid.

And the weight issue wasn't the reason for the other league.

Let me get this strait, Your saying a kid should not diet to make weight?

[Smashmouth#1]

Let me get this strait, Your saying a kid should not diet to make weight?

Kids, through physical activity, will lose weight if they need to........and yes that's what I am saying..........look online at all of the studies that have been done on this subject.......If kids diet, it should be done under the strict supervision of a doctor, and this is for severely obese kids.

If you think about it, depriving a child of neccessary vitamins, minerals, and nutrients needed for growth and development isn't good. It lowers bone density and could possibly inhibit growth and development, physical and mental. That's my reasoning behind it.

[thepolster]

Kids, through physical activity, will lose weight if they need to........and yes that's what I am saying..........look online at all of the studies that have been done on this subject.......If kids diet, it should be done under the strict supervision of a doctor, and this is for severely obese kids.

If you think about it, depriving a child of neccessary vitamins, minerals, and nutrients needed for growth and development isn't good. It lowers bone density and could possibly inhibit growth and development, physical and mental. That's my reasoning behind it.

So who should be responsible if the coach or coaches are telling kids to cut weight? I know just about every varsity team was having kids cut weight. Heck we would not even of had 1 win if our kids didnt cut weight.

[Irish87]

So who should be responsible if the coach or coaches are telling kids to cut weight? I know just about every varsity team was having kids cut weight. Heck we would not even of had 1 win if our kids didnt cut weight.

Hey, where's the confidence in the Coaching? :shrug: I resent that statment.:)

[Buckeye29]

Ok.....well we do agree there. any thoughts on limiting the kids that can advance the ball? I have posed this situation before, just to keep everything in the open.........You have a horse that is as fast as lightning and obviously your best choice for running back.....hey lets go a step farther.......say he's been playing running back for 4 years and done a wonderful job......he comes into practice this year and you and he both know that he is the best person for the position......and he has earned it......say the limit is 125lbs......he comes in at 129 1/2..................how do you blackstripe him and put him on the line.......

I do think that the SYF will make some adjustments to weights etc and deal with the issues at hand.
And the weight issues were put into place for safety purposes....agree with it or not........it was a rule that thought of the kids first.......ok the majority of the kids............and there are many many youth organizations including Pop Warner that have more stringent weight limits than that of the SYFL.

As far as BYF goes.........na....nevermind

If my kid weighed 4 1/2lbs. over the limit to be a back, and he was an obvious running back, you bet your a-- I'd have him get rid of those 4 1/2lbs. If he was 14 1/2lbs. over that would be a different story. A kid can lose 4 1/2lbs. without really dieting. Cut out the typical kid stuff like cookies and twinkies and stuff. Doesn't really sound like I need a doctor's note to know that. To be perfectly honest, I don't think there should be weight restrictions on ball carriers either. If a coach wants to put a big, slow kid in the backfield as a blocking back he ought to be able to. D---, when are we going to quit wiping our kids noses and let them play football the way it was meant to be played?

[brownandorange]

If my kid weighed 4 1/2lbs. over the limit to be a back, and he was an obvious running back, you bet your a-- I'd have him get rid of those 4 1/2lbs. If he was 14 1/2lbs. over that would be a different story. A kid can lose 4 1/2lbs. without really dieting. Cut out the typical kid stuff like cookies and twinkies and stuff. Doesn't really sound like I need a doctor's note to know that. To be perfectly honest, I don't think there should be weight restrictions on ball carriers either. If a coach wants to put a big, slow kid in the backfield as a blocking back he ought to be able to. D---, when are we going to quit wiping our kids noses and let them play football the way it was meant to be played?

Totally agree Buckeye. My son lost 13 pounds to play his varsity year just by cutting out the junk, eating right and running his butt off. He wanted to do it so I did not discourage him. He played six years and I could not justify making him sit out his last year if he wanted to play. He went from a little flabby to rock solid and he's never looked better or felt better. No regrets.

[Smashmouth#1]

If my kid weighed 4 1/2lbs. over the limit to be a back, and he was an obvious running back, you bet your a-- I'd have him get rid of those 4 1/2lbs. If he was 14 1/2lbs. over that would be a different story. A kid can lose 4 1/2lbs. without really dieting. Cut out the typical kid stuff like cookies and twinkies and stuff. Doesn't really sound like I need a doctor's note to know that. To be perfectly honest, I don't think there should be weight restrictions on ball carriers either. If a coach wants to put a big, slow kid in the backfield as a blocking back he ought to be able to. D---, when are we going to quit wiping our kids noses and let them play football the way it was meant to be played?

That's probably the fairest assesment that I've heard yet. I can respect that opinion totally.

[Smashmouth#1]

Totally agree Buckeye. My son lost 13 pounds to play his varsity year just by cutting out the junk, eating right and running his butt off. He wanted to do it so I did not discourage him. He played six years and I could not justify making him sit out his last year if he wanted to play. He went from a little flabby to rock solid and he's never looked better or felt better. No regrets.

I'm looking at what the experts say and that's what I base my opinions off of because, frankly I really didn't know if it mattered or not. Granted, many media reports are out there to scare the sh00 out of you, but I looked at around enough to figure it out.

As far as the a coach suggesting a kid cut weight.....you can say it, or not.....but I wouldn't advocate that........

My opinion is the same and there are facts to back my decision for having the opinion that I do. Having kids cut out the junk and crap that they eat isn't neccessarily a bad thing either. Ultimately, it is a decision for the parent and the child.

[greendad]

Originally Posted by Smashmouth#1
Advocating dieting for youth sports is in no way in the best interests of the kid.

And the weight issue wasn't the reason for the other league.



Let me get this strait, Your saying a kid should not diet to make weight?


I think the polster was trying to say that syfl boys DO diet to get to play, and smashmouth 1 being with gyf, was saying he doesnt think it should be done.

[Smashmouth#1]

Originally Posted by Smashmouth#1
Advocating dieting for youth sports is in no way in the best interests of the kid.

And the weight issue wasn't the reason for the other league.






I think the polster was trying to say that syfl boys DO diet to get to play, and smashmouth 1 being with gyf, was saying he doesnt think it should be done.

Actually, What I meant I posted.......and I elaborated on the post just before yours. Thanks for your take on my words though.

[thepolster]

Hey, where's the confidence in the Coaching? :shrug: I resent that statment.:)

Didn't mean to hurt your feelings.

[Omni-Spartan]

if a kid is fat or has a pot-belly he can lose weight this is not rocket science the whole issue is the amount of time he has to lose the weight....if a kid has 14 lbs of fat on him he can lose 14 lbs it just has to be done in a safe amount of time period and it is the parents responsibility to do this coaches should only monitor weight thru-out the season so there are no suprises on game day.

[Smashmouth#1]

if a kid is fat or has a pot-belly he can lose weight this is not rocket science the whole issue is the amount of time he has to lose the weight....if a kid has 14 lbs of fat on him he can lose 14 lbs it just has to be done in a safe amount of time period and it is the parents responsibility to do this coaches should only monitor weight thru-out the season so there are no suprises on game day.

I wasn't sure of the repercussions so I investigated it. I will defer to what the doctors and medical experts have to say, that's how I formed my opinion on this whole thing. Parents, coaches, and players are going to do what they want, I was offering one perspective on the matter and what I found out when I looked it up. We have to remember, these are kids that are just starting into, to put it in a G rating, "the change", and there are a lot of things going on. There is a difference between eating healthy and cutting out sweets and severe dieting and watching every calorie that you take in.....with the latter you risk not getting them the nutrients that they need to develop properly.

[thepolster]

I wasn't sure of the repercussions so I investigated it. I will defer to what the doctors and medical experts have to say, that's how I formed my opinion on this whole thing. Parents, coaches, and players are going to do what they want, I was offering one perspective on the matter and what I found out when I looked it up. We have to remember, these are kids that are just starting into, to put it in a G rating, "the change", and there are a lot of things going on. There is a difference between eating healthy and cutting out sweets and severe dieting and watching every calorie that you take in.....with the latter you risk not getting them the nutrients that they need to develop properly.

The high school has a rule on loosing to much body fat, can the youth follow in its footsteps? They have also realized the complications in a young adults health. Was the rule put in place for wrestlers mainly or all sports? That's another issue that plagues suburban youth. How many pounds is to much? Were do you draw the line on putting a kid or young adult through the mental and physical stress. Let all kids play, If the suburban youth is mainly catering to little kids then were is the feeder system in that.

Smash if you reply please limit it to a paragraph not a book, thank you

[Smashmouth#1]

The high school has a rule on loosing to much body fat, can the youth follow in its footsteps? They have also realized the complications in a young adults health. Was the rule put in place for wrestlers mainly or all sports? That's another issue that plagues suburban youth. How many pounds is to much? Were do you draw the line on putting a kid or young adult through the mental and physical stress. Let all kids play, If the suburban youth is mainly catering to little kids then were is the feeder system in that.

Smash if you reply please limit it to a paragraph not a book, thank you

You trying to say I get long winded? There I never claimed that I wasnt!!!!
Seriously, I just try to be as clear as possible when conveying a thought, because when reading things, people take them differently.

I'm not familiar with that rule about the HS. I think the studies were initiated because of wrestling, but cant say for sure, saw a lot of citations to that fact though, nonetheless, it can apply to all sports. I'm not sure on where to draw the line, if there is an issue, my suggestion would be to consult a doctor....let me think on it. I think that the SYFL will make it more feasable for the bigger kids in the coming months. And no I don't have specifics on what they are going to do.

[Omni-Spartan]

i think that h.s. weight lose rule was for wrestlers but they could not limit it to that for many (legal) reasons i can tell you of h.s. wrestlers weighing 175 during football and cutting to 145 for wrestling that to me is dangerous especially since wrestling starts right after football i see both sides of these issues and think a compromise is needed not a our way or else.. springfield is caught in a quagmire, success at the high school will bring out more kids in the youth and m.s. which will improve the high school in the future but one will not happen with out the other if we can work together and we can and get the maximum number of players at all levels success will follow.

Springfield's problems in high school football are more related to disipline and ineligibility (along with defection and current division of play) which i believe starts as a "household problem" and most will agree with me who know this township and its people, our best players are mostly hoods or tailchasers by the time they get to highschool not all there are some great players currently playing and i give those parents credit but my statement is fact and no one can tell me diferent i have lived here all my life and have seen it first hand..:( so come up with some sort of year round mentoring program for student-athelets and i believe this could help us out for the future. any ideas or models to follow would be helpfull..

[Irish87]

I agree with you 110%.
You hit the nail on the head, and its what I've been saying for 5 years now.
Excellent post.

[thepolster]

i think that h.s. weight lose rule was for wrestlers but they could not limit it to that for many (legal) reasons i can tell you of h.s. wrestlers weighing 175 during football and cutting to 145 for wrestling that to me is dangerous especially since wrestling starts right after football i see both sides of these issues and think a compromise is needed not a our way or else.. springfield is caught in a quagmire, success at the high school will bring out more kids in the youth and m.s. which will improve the high school in the future but one will not happen with out the other if we can work together and we can and get the maximum number of players at all levels success will follow.

Springfield's problems in high school football are more related to discipline and ineligibility (along with defection and current division of play) which i believe starts as a "household problem" and most will agree with me who know this township and its people, our best players are mostly hoods or tailchasers by the time they get to highschool not all there are some great players currently playing and i give those parents credit but my statement is fact and no one can tell me diferent i have lived here all my life and have seen it first hand..:( so come up with some sort of year round mentoring program for student-athelets and i believe this could help us out for the future. any ideas or models to follow would be helpfull..

There's no doubt that families have problems at home . You can use my house as a d-m model. Spending time with your kids is most important. Some people preach but are not in the same boat as others. I wish we had a ymca here in Springfield or a rec center. Cant the high school come up with something for our community. I am going to call the superintendent now and see if we can come up with some after school activities. Because I am in it to win it.hahahahaha. peace

[Omni-Spartan]

i believe the trustees can help us out with going for a rec center or ymca but with the green and lake ymca's so close we may not get a ymca, but that would do so much for our community. we are surronded by so much (green and lake) but we as a township have so little that we can call our own. it would be great to have an "refuge" for the children to go to on a daily basis and a place of our own to do the extra things needed to give our community and children a fighting chance in sports and life. i myself take the extra steps to give my children the "edge" but some parents don't have the desire or means to do this, with a rec center in the township kids could have a much better chance of thier parents helping them get the "edge" there are plenty of coaches and parents who would jump at the chance to run the type of after school programs and rec leagues needed to keep our kids busy with out having to go outside the township. our township is not in finacial despair as our schools are this is a chance for our community leaders to make a meaningful solution to an age old problem in springfield and finacially it would be benificial to them i'm sure the ymca's and rec centers run at a profit or they would not be.

[GRPride86]

I don't know how big you want your Rec Center, but the one over in Tallmadge was about 2 mil. Plus they want to add a pool since our old facility has gone by the wayside. Probably another mil.

[thepolster]

I don't know how big you want your Rec Center, but the one over in Tallmadge was about 2 mil. Plus they want to add a pool since our old facility has gone by the wayside. Probably another mil.

Does the rec center cost tax payers to keep it open?

[SPARTICUS8]

i think that h.s. weight lose rule was for wrestlers but they could not limit it to that for many (legal) reasons i can tell you of h.s. wrestlers weighing 175 during football and cutting to 145 for wrestling that to me is dangerous especially since wrestling starts right after football i see both sides of these issues and think a compromise is needed not a our way or else.. springfield is caught in a quagmire, success at the high school will bring out more kids in the youth and m.s. which will improve the high school in the future but one will not happen with out the other if we can work together and we can and get the maximum number of players at all levels success will follow.

Springfield's problems in high school football are more related to disipline and ineligibility (along with defection and current division of play) which i believe starts as a "household problem" and most will agree with me who know this township and its people, our best players are mostly hoods or tailchasers by the time they get to highschool not all there are some great players currently playing and i give those parents credit but my statement is fact and no one can tell me diferent i have lived here all my life and have seen it first hand..:( so come up with some sort of year round mentoring program for student-athelets and i believe this could help us out for the future. any ideas or models to follow would be helpfull..

That is the best statement about the issues of football in this area i have read so far. Not that we need a new youth league.

[GRPride86]

Does the rec center cost tax payers to keep it open?

I'm pretty sure it's run as a "Proprietary" fund, or otherwise, like a private company that is run by the government. But I do think that they use a little bit of property tax, but most of it is run from memberships, renting the soccer field and basketball courts. As far as I know, it is in the black.

[thepolster]

I'm pretty sure it's run as a "Proprietary" fund, or otherwise, like a private company that is run by the government. But I do think that they use a little bit of property tax, but most of it is run from memberships, renting the soccer field and basketball courts. As far as I know, it is in the black.

I wasn't sure, because I seen a debate on TV and your mayor was taken credit for it. Thanks

[Tressel4Prez]

Springfield's problems in high school football are more related to disipline and ineligibility (along with defection and current division of play) which i believe starts as a "household problem" and most will agree with me who know this township and its people, our best players are mostly hoods or tailchasers by the time they get to highschool not all there are some great players currently playing and i give those parents credit but my statement is fact and no one can tell me diferent i have lived here all my life and have seen it first hand.. so come up with some sort of year round mentoring program for student-athelets and i believe this could help us out for the future. any ideas or models to follow would be helpfull..

That is the best statement about the issues of football in this area i have read so far. Not that we need a new youth league.

100% Correct

There are so many things wrong with the High School football program (over the past 4 years) that there are too many to enumerate.

I do know there are teachers up there who are ex-coaches who speak well of the efforts of the kids, coaches and parents of the youth leagues, and many of the kids who work so hard at the High School. But they are frustrated with the lack of vision, purpose and passion of the High School leaders. I know one of them applied but was turned down in favor of the current person, and I think another one applied but I'm not totally sure. One of them has another excellent coach who has been successful at an Ohio Division 1 program (within the last 2 years) who WANTS to come to Springfield with him. (No way in he#$ they go 0-10) I also know that the teachers have strongly advocated a year-long mentor program as well, coupled with stronger ties to the youth league and community.

I hope all the Springfield kids get to play youth football with caring coaches and I hope someday that the high school program can be fixed.

[The real Spartan.]

hi every body. its been a while since i have been on here. could someone fill me in on, what has been decided on the leagues. i know ssyf has a new director. are there going to be 2 leagues? and from what i read a while back, what are going to be the new weight limits for syf? if some one could fill me in i would appreciate it.

[GR1FAN]

hi every body. its been a while since i have been on here. could someone fill me in on, what has been decided on the leagues. i know ssyf has a new director. are there going to be 2 leagues? and from what i read a while back, what are going to be the new weight limits for syf? if some one could fill me in i would appreciate it.

Yea right, the perfect hook line.

[greendad]

I remember springfield back in the mid-late 70's. they were a tough team then. what the heck happened since then?
are there a whole different type ( meaning poor, middle class, rich) of folks that live there?

[GR1FAN]

I remember springfield back in the mid-late 70's. they were a tough team then. what the heck happened since then?
are there a whole different type ( meaning poor, middle class, rich) of folks that live there?

welfare, one word

[The real Spartan.]

Yea right, the perfect hook line. whats your problem? do you have a beef with me? if so lets get it out.

[thepolster]

whats your problem? do you have a beef with me? if so lets get it out.

I told you how it works, trying to get a rise out of you. I called the superintendent and he wasn't in. Me and DW had a freakin great laugh on that one. I typed it like me and the supe are good friends. I was tired and hard at word yapperizing. Speak out people, quit being scarred. Riding the fence is hard work, all you got to do is join the club and you are in there.

[Irish87]

Yea right, the perfect hook line.

Its a simple question GR1FAN. I don't think there was anything behind the comment. There are many people of Springfield, who are in the blind as far as what league and/or how many Leagues. There was a comment made in the Suburbanite over the weekend, stating Springfield was going to a heavy league, but when talking to the current Youth Director, he states Youth is going nowhere. So as you can see, people are asking questions and looking for answers.

[The real Spartan.]

thanks irish. do you have any info? oh and what have you figured out about the mini camps? anything on that yet?

[Irish87]

Real Spartan,

I'm not really sure. I talked to the current SSYF Director last week, and he told me the Youth League is going nowhwere. Springfield will be a part of SYF next year. What I've heard about the BYF, is only what has been posted on here. I have spoken with thepolster and he seems to think the BYF League will be put in place next year, in Springfield. I'm not sure if they plan on fighting against each other or what. Thats kinda what it sounds like to me.

As far as the Camps go, nothing yet. As I stated, these will be spur of the moment things which will depend on the weather. More than likely, I will not start them until Spring. After Xmas, I'll start seriously putting some stuff together.

[The real Spartan.]

thanks irish, let me ask you this. which way do you want it to go? (if want to reply by pm that's OK). this is what i want to happen. i like the ssyf, but i like that everybody plays. i know some people think a position is earned and it is. this is what i have seen this yr, there wasn't a kid on jv who totally couldn't play, a few had more skills than others, but like i said there wasn't a bad kid on the team. well i think my son isn't starter material yet, but he improved quite a bit, since the past and through out the yr, and felt he and a few others should get more playing time. i had a chat with the head coach, and told him my thoughts. he agreed, and so did 2 other coaches. but done nothing about it. i guess what i am saying is that there wasn't a ton of talent on that field that if he would rotate those kids in every few plays(not all @ once) it would not affect the out come of the game. there was also a coach, who had soft feelings for kid and would not pull him out, if he was not up to the game, and there was a kid who was not @ for a week but yet started in front of kids who were there for that week and played in the playoff game, and my opinion didn't do well and should not of been in there. after all playing builds experience and skill. just my thoughts. like i said i don't have nothing against ssyf, i want whats best for the kids, and i mean that.

[brownandorange]

thanks irish, let me ask you this. which way do you want it to go? (if want to reply by pm that's OK). this is what i want to happen. i like the ssyf, but i like that everybody plays. i know some people think a position is earned and it is. this is what i have seen this yr, there wasn't a kid on jv who totally couldn't play, a few had more skills than others, but like i said there wasn't a bad kid on the team. well i think my son isn't starter material yet, but he improved quite a bit, since the past and through out the yr, and felt he and a few others should get more playing time. i had a chat with the head coach, and told him my thoughts. he agreed, and so did 2 other coaches. but done nothing about it. i guess what i am saying is that there wasn't a ton of talent on that field that if he would rotate those kids in every few plays(not all @ once) it would not affect the out come of the game. there was also a coach, who had soft feelings for kid and would not pull him out, if he was not up to the game, and there was a kid who was not @ for a week but yet started in front of kids who were there for that week and played in the playoff game, and my opinion didn't do well and should not of been in there. after all playing builds experience and skill. just my thoughts. like i said i don't have nothing against ssyf, i want whats best for the kids, and i mean that.

Smash is going to have a field day with this. There may not be enough room on the internet.

[Smashmouth#1]

Smash is going to have a field day with this. There may not be enough room on the internet.

Actually, no......and for the record, I have never said that I wasn't long winded. Things can be interpreted in many many ways and I always make an attempt to clearly convey my positions.

Personally, I would suggest that you allow the SYF to make their changes before any decision is made. As for the rest, I have plenty to say, but I can forgoe that at this time.

[The real Spartan.]

Smash is going to have a field day with this. There may not be enough room on the internet.did i say something that sounds off the wall? i played sports in school. i know something about this. its just a opinion, of the way i would put players on the field. this is a teaching level. you have to plug kids in, be a mentor. trust me i remember my jr high coach, he sticks in mind when i think about how football was taught to me, not saying i know everything, but i know something.

[Smashmouth#1]

did i say something that sounds off the wall? i played sports in school. i know something about this. its just a opinion, of the way i would put players on the field. this is a teaching level. you have to plug kids in, be a mentor. trust me i remember my jr high coach, he sticks in mind when i think about how football was taught to me, not saying i know everything, but i know something.

I don't think that you sounded off of the wall. My comments would been more directed at the coaches, not you. No offense to anyone there.....I only know what you told me about the situation, so my comments would have been limited reguardless.
Although, the JV and Varsity levels are competition levels, and less instructional.
We, at least me and my staff this year, had the philosophy that, you teach kids how to play football at practice. Game time is for adjustments, not teaching. We played all kids as equally as we could, I was at a lower level though. If we got into a situation that all the kids had about the same playing time and we needed to put someone in for one reason or another, we always chose the kids that gave it their all at practice, day in and day out. In a sense, they earned their position, but all the kids got to play at the same time. Remember, this was after all of the kids got a fair amount of playtime though.

[The real Spartan.]

I don't think that you sounded off of the wall. My comments would been more directed at the coaches, not you. No offense to anyone there.....I only know what you told me about the situation, so my comments would have been limited reguardless.
Although, the JV and Varsity levels are competition levels, and less instructional.
We, at least me and my staff this year, had the philosophy that, you teach kids how to play football at practice. Game time is for adjustments, not teaching. We played all kids as equally as we could, I was at a lower level though. If we got into a situation that all the kids had about the same playing time and we needed to put someone in for one reason or another, we always chose the kids that gave it their all at practice, day in and day out. In a sense, they earned their position, but all the kids got to play at the same time. Remember, this was after all of the kids got a fair amount of playtime though. i respect your way of coaching. i was just saying there no kids that totally stood out from one another, like i said a few kids had better skills and speed. the way i saw it, if the coach, didn't put a kid in, in a close game he was sending a signal, that we want to win and you aren't good enough, to win the game. when you put a kid in when you are getting yours doors kicked in, or vise versa, i think that is a bunch of crap. almost all those boys practiced just like the starters did. they worked hard. and like i said before there were a few of kids, that started, and these other kids who sat the bench, could of easily sub for, or even started.

[Smashmouth#1]

i respect your way of coaching. i was just saying there no kids that totally stood out from one another, like i said a few kids had better skills and speed. the way i saw it, if the coach, didn't put a kid in, in a close game he was sending a signal, that we want to win and you aren't good enough, to win the game. when you put a kid in when you are getting yours doors kicked in, or vise versa, i think that is a bunch of crap. almost all those boys practiced just like the starters did. they worked hard. and like i said before there were a few of kids, that started, and these other kids who sat the bench, could of easily sub for, or even started.

I can understand and respect your point of view.

[Irish87]

i respect your way of coaching. i was just saying there no kids that totally stood out from one another, like i said a few kids had better skills and speed. the way i saw it, if the coach, didn't put a kid in, in a close game he was sending a signal, that we want to win and you aren't good enough, to win the game. when you put a kid in when you are getting yours doors kicked in, or vise versa, i think that is a bunch of crap. almost all those boys practiced just like the starters did. they worked hard. and like i said before there were a few of kids, that started, and these other kids who sat the bench, could of easily sub for, or even started.

Real Spartan,
I am going to approach your comments carefully, because if I come back and coach in SSYF, I may end up coaching your child. You and I have had some issues in the past, but I think we have put them behind us. Playing time is a sensitive issue at the Varsity level. As a coach, you have to be able to make difficult decisions between getting a player more playing time, or possibly going for the win. Winning is stressed a little more now, than it was back at the C, B or A Levels. I've been coaching in this community now for approximately 9 years now, and from what I've noticed, the people tend to judge you on winning, rather than what you know about the sport, and how you get it accross to the players. It seems, if you don't have a winning team, many parents begin to talk about how that coach doesn't know anything about the game. Instead, parents should be looking at how far my son and/or the team has come, since Conditioning. The bickering and/or jealousy in this Township has gotten out of control and people have overlooked the fact, that there have been some pretty good coaches in SSYF over the years. Yeah there may have been a few, that probably shouldn't have been there, but overall, they've been ok. Has anybody ever asked the kids, what they thought of the coach? I myself, have not liked every coach my son(s) have had, but when I asked them what they thought of them, they pretty much liked them all. That is what its all about. Your child having a good memorable experience in his younger ages, and learning the game of football.

[spartanmom12]

Real Spartan,
I am going to approach your comments carefully, because if I come back and coach in SSYF, I may end up coaching your child. You and I have had some issues in the past, but I think we have put them behind us. Playing time is a sensitive issue at the Varsity level. As a coach, you have to be able to make difficult decisions between getting a player more playing time, or possibly going for the win. Winning is stressed a little more now, than it was back at the C, B or A Levels. I've been coaching in this community now for approximately 9 years now, and from what I've noticed, the people tend to judge you on winning, rather than what you know about the sport, and how you get it accross to the players. It seems, if you don't have a winning team, many parents begin to talk about how that coach doesn't know anything about the game. Instead, parents should be looking at how far my son and/or the team has come, since Conditioning. The bickering and/or jealousy in this Township has gotten out of control and people have overlooked the fact, that there have been some pretty good coaches in SSYF over the years. Yeah there may have been a few, that probably shouldn't have been there, but overall, they've been ok. Has anybody ever asked the kids, what they thought of the coach? I myself, have not liked every coach my son(s) have had, but when I asked them what they thought of them, they pretty much liked them all. That is what its all about. Your child having a good memorable experience in his younger ages, and learning the game of football.

I can see the power struggle at varsity now. Oh my jabeesa.

I can see Napoleon telling you what to do and a lineman being a running back. This is going to be great reporting come august.

[Irish87]

First of all,
I said if, I return to Coach the Varsity,

secondly, why do you even care? Your going to BYF next year, so what happens at SSYF should not concern you.

[The real Spartan.]

Real Spartan,
I am going to approach your comments carefully, because if I come back and coach in SSYF, I may end up coaching your child. You and I have had some issues in the past, but I think we have put them behind us. Playing time is a sensitive issue at the Varsity level. As a coach, you have to be able to make difficult decisions between getting a player more playing time, or possibly going for the win. Winning is stressed a little more now, than it was back at the C, B or A Levels. I've been coaching in this community now for approximately 9 years now, and from what I've noticed, the people tend to judge you on winning, rather than what you know about the sport, and how you get it accross to the players. It seems, if you don't have a winning team, many parents begin to talk about how that coach doesn't know anything about the game. Instead, parents should be looking at how far my son and/or the team has come, since Conditioning. The bickering and/or jealousy in this Township has gotten out of control and people have overlooked the fact, that there have been some pretty good coaches in SSYF over the years. Yeah there may have been a few, that probably shouldn't have been there, but overall, they've been ok. Has anybody ever asked the kids, what they thought of the coach? I myself, have not liked every coach my son(s) have had, but when I asked them what they thought of them, they pretty much liked them all. That is what its all about. Your child having a good memorable experience in his younger ages, and learning the game of football. irish the issues are behind us. don't worry about your comments i take no offense. my issues are 1) these big kids(i know 3 who live in my neighborhood who cant play due to size) that cant play, and could possibly help the teams down the road. 2) there are coaches on that field, that don't know football, and seem to be in a head coaching position. i agree as the kids get older the more competitive it gets. but here is another problem- every yr since c team there have been about 5 new faces that never played football @ every level. the coaches put these kids in positions and really don't teach the position to them. then the kids that are more advanced get the quality practice time and game time. so what i am saying if they give these kids a fair shot it might be a little different. example- my son was put at defensive back, no body really showed him how to play that position, but dogged him when he got burned. my neighbor and my self worked with my son to help him with this. i talked to the head coach, telling him that my son is in the wrong position. and of course he thought he was right. but he wasn't. so my question to you, is do you think at that point do you think he was in the wright position. this is my concern - coaches who have never played the game, misplace kids in the wrong position, because they don't know the talent level of the player.

i also don't totally agree about the winning part. these kids are still very young, they have a lot of football to be played and learned. you go to any pro facility of any sport and you will see these coaches still teaching and training these players. the comments that were about the lower levels being teaching, and jv and v, are the competitive levels, doesn't stick with me. those kids still need to be taught football. how to act on the field and off. i wasn't real impressed with v. game against field. i think you know which incident i am talking about. the thing that killed me was the head coach, and was standing there when it happened and done nothing about it. these are the things we need to get back into spartan football to be competitive. it comes from coaching. that's why i said the comment about my jr high coach.

[CIA]

I can see the power struggle at varsity now. Oh my jabeesa.

I can see Napoleon telling you what to do and a lineman being a running back. This is going to be great reporting come august. Now that is funny. I love when people are honest!!!!!!!. You made me p--- my pants.

[Irish87]

irish the issues are behind us. don't worry about your comments i take no offense. my issues are 1) these big kids(i know 3 who live in my neighborhood who cant play due to size) that cant play, and could possibly help the teams down the road. 2) there are coaches on that field, that don't know football, and seem to be in a head coaching position. i agree as the kids get older the more competitive it gets. but here is another problem- every yr since c team there have been about 5 new faces that never played football @ every level. the coaches put these kids in positions and really don't teach the position to them. then the kids that are more advanced get the quality practice time and game time. so what i am saying if they give these kids a fair shot it might be a little different. example- my son was put at defensive back, no body really showed him how to play that position, but dogged him when he got burned. my neighbor and my self worked with my son to help him with this. i talked to the head coach, telling him that my son is in the wrong position. and of course he thought he was right. but he wasn't. so my question to you, is do you think at that point do you think he was in the wright position. this is my concern - coaches who have never played the game, misplace kids in the wrong position, because they don't know the talent level of the player.

i also don't totally agree about the winning part. these kids are still very young, they have a lot of football to be played and learned. you go to any pro facility of any sport and you will see these coaches still teaching and training these players. the comments that were about the lower levels being teaching, and jv and v, are the competitive levels, doesn't stick with me. those kids still need to be taught football. how to act on the field and off. i wasn't real impressed with v. game against field. i think you know which incident i am talking about. the thing that killed me was the head coach, and was standing there when it happened and done nothing about it. these are the things we need to get back into spartan football to be competitive. it comes from coaching. that's why i said the comment about my jr high coach.


I understand your frustrations and respect your opinions. As I stated before, Coaching is not as easy as it looks. There is a lot more to it, than just teaching a kid how to tackle and/or block. None of us are perfect and we all make mistakes. I will not comment on your situation from last year, becasue I was not around enough to see everything, but I will tell you, the coaching Staff on the JV was very knowledgable about the game, and were very good with the kids. Did they have a player or two out of position? Maybe. Heck, when I look back at my season, I had a player or two that could have played a diiferent position, but thats Coaching. Many times, Coaches see things differently than parents. If my sons Coach put him in a position he was not familiar with, I too, would be out in the backyard, trying to help him learn the position. Thats what separates the talented kids from the not so talented kids, when parents get involved to help their child outside of practice.
Please don't hold the whole League responsible, for one little episode that took place with the Varsity. The incident happened, the coaches were warned never to pull something like that again, and its over. Move on. The Varsity players were taught the game of football, and also how to conduct themselves on and off the field. Unfortunately, the Coaches get 2 hours a day with these kids while the parents get 22 hours. Now you tell me who is going to be more influencial(sp)? You can only have so much affect on a kid, with so little time.

[thepolster]

I understand your frustrations and respect your opinions. As I stated before, Coaching is not as easy as it looks. There is a lot more to it, than just teaching a kid how to tackle and/or block. None of us are perfect and we all make mistakes. I will not comment on your situation from last year, becasue I was not around enough to see everything, but I will tell you, the coaching Staff on the JV was very knowledgable about the game, and were very good with the kids. Did they have a player or two out of position? Maybe. Heck, when I look back at my season, I had a player or two that could have played a diiferent position, but thats Coaching. Many times, Coaches see things differently than parents. If my sons Coach put him in a position he was not familiar with, I too, would be out in the backyard, trying to help him learn the position. Thats what separates the talented kids from the not so talented kids, when parents get involved to help their child outside of practice.
Please don't hold the whole League responsible, for one little episode that took place with the Varsity. The incident happened, the coaches were warned never to pull something like that again, and its over. Move on. The Varsity players were taught the game of football, and also how to conduct themselves on and off the field. Unfortunately, the Coaches get 2 hours a day with these kids while the parents get 22 hours. Now you tell me who is going to be more influencial(sp)? You can only have so much affect on a kid, with so little time.

your streching the 22 hours, let me break it down.

school till 3, I get home 5 to 5:30 practice starts at 6, he gets home at 8:30 takes shower, I'm in bed by 10. I see a max of about 3 hours total. and the coaches get a 2 hour direct contact. Coaches are a main figure in a child's life. Why do you think I asked you guys to help me correct him. You have a great impact on his life. And he respects you and Rich allot. There goes your theory.

[Irish87]

Yes, understood, but the time we spend with the kids, is time doing what they like to do, Football. We are not there to raise the children, simply teach football and show them how to respect the game, coaches, teamates, and everything else that goes along with good sportsmanship. Morals, decisions between right and wrong, and basic growing up repsonsibilities is done by parents. Its fairly easy to influence a kid, when your not telling him to be home before dark, get your homework done and/or take the trash out. We spend 2 hours with them, doing the things they like to do, Parents have the rest of the day(s) to influence them on life values.

I understand your not with your child for 22 straight hours, but I think you get my drift.

I do know that we influence kids and I'm am glad I can be a part of that. I didn't mean to come off that way, I'm simply saying, Parents can and should have more of an influence on their kids than a Coach.

Polster, you have a great kid in #20 and he should make you proud. I was glad to have the opportunity to coach him the last 2 years. If he sticks with it, he can turn into something special. I look forward to seeing him on Football field, in H.S.

[Buckeye29]

welfare, one word

Nice, yet again you think you're better than everyone over here. Why don't you just keep your "High Class" a-- over on the Green forum!!!! I made the mistake of lumping all the Green people in with you before, and I really apologize to them for that because you are truely classless!!!!!

[Young Spartan Nation]

welfare, one word

Leave it someone from green to say something so narrow minded. True, there is a lot of diversity in Springfield, but that is why I like it.. People here are not posers, trying to act like something they are not. If you think your better because you may have more money and bigger home, guess what your likely one pay away from losing it. More money, more problems...peace:rolleyes:

[brownandorange]

Leave it someone from green to say something so narrow minded. True, there is a lot of diversity in Springfield, but that is why I like it.. People here are not posers, trying to act like something they are not. If you think your better because you may have more money and bigger home, guess what your likely one pay away from losing it. More money, more problems...peace:rolleyes:

Not necessarily more money, just bigger debt.

[Tressel4Prez]

I do know that we influence kids and I'm am glad I can be a part of that. I didn't mean to come off that way, I'm simply saying, Parents can and should have more of an influence on their kids than a Coach.

Correct!!!