Recommendations for the syfl

[1badspartan]

Have the same cut off date as high school aug. 1st

Make sure every kid has a passing grade

Keep the parents off the field for practice and game day

have a board of atleast 8 people in the syf to oversee every detail and moneys, not family either. that seems to be a problem

who really nows how much money has been donated or raised.

screen every coach to find out if he or she has a violent past

suspend any coach or player caught smoking on any part of the field

you may ask where is the rule for coaching your own kid? well the problem with that is we wouldn't have any coaches.

I let to much just slide by, there has to be some way to hold people accountable for these actions.

I do agree with varsity parents and why the jv kids were brought up to play in Florida. The kids who are not playing during the regular season are sure going to get less playing time now since the coaches kids are going. They really didn't think that one through.

I expect the syfl is going to listen to all these problems existing throughout all these threads, that if they turn a deaf ear it could cost this league dearly

syfc pride

[Smashmouth#1]

Have the same cut off date as high school aug. 1st

Make sure every kid has a passing grade

Keep the parents off the field for practice and game day

have a board of atleast 8 people in the syf to oversee every detail and moneys, not family either. that seems to be a problem

who really nows how much money has been donated or raised.

screen every coach to find out if he or she has a violent past

suspend any coach or player caught smoking on any part of the field

you may ask where is the rule for coaching your own kid? well the problem with that is we wouldn't have any coaches.

I let to much just slide by, there has to be some way to hold people accountable for these actions.

I do agree with varsity parents and why the jv kids were brought up to play in Florida. The kids who are not playing during the regular season are sure going to get less playing time now since the coaches kids are going. They really didn't think that one through.

I expect the syfl is going to listen to all these problems existing throughout all these threads, that if they turn a deaf ear it could cost this league dearly

syfc pride

You made some valid points here....

The August first thing was changed 3 years ago....not this year.....there's a 4 or 5 day gap.....but I can see the point.

As far as grades go...that is up to the parent.....If I had a parent come to me...or if I found out through other means about a kid that was struggling with grades....this would be my solution......yes the boy in question is a part of the team and needs to be at practice.....have him show up at practice and he can use that time to do his homework......if a kid cant pass he doesnt play ball.......the only issue is that the season runs from summer into the first grading period and report cards dont come home until the end of the season.....so there would need to be coordinated effort between the parents the teacher and the coaches to get this to work.....I'm not sure legally if there is a way to check grades for all of the kids....
We have a board of dedicated individuals that all come from the suburban league already.......not sure on what you mean here.....
If there is a concern about money or donations....ask.....if you arent satisfied...ask someone else.
Coaches should be screened...unfortunately in this day and age it is a must....I think that the SYF has done that for years....we do it on a local level as well.....just to be on the safe side......get someone you can trust though...this is a sensitive issue and you don't need chatty kathy running around spreading all of the gossip.....
Smoking should not be done in front of your team.....you are a role model and should act as such.....if they see you at the grocery store or at your house....come on we need to be reasonable here.....

I agree with your point on coaching.....and the majority of coaches do have their kids on the team they coach....myself included.....the coach/dad needs to know how to handle that issue....that should be brought up in a coaches meeting before the season starts.....look on the internet for articles and tips on how to coach your kid...there are many good resources there...trust me...I have read a lot of them....just to make sure I am doing it correctly......we also do have a few dedicated individuals that do not have kids in the league anymore...or never did.....they should be commended...

There is a way to hold people accountable for their actions.....become involved....be a part of the solution.....every organization has their fair share of issues....not one organization that I know of is perfect....look at the catholic church and their issues over the past few years....or look at our country today...there are many issues.......my point is that if we get involved then we can work together to solve the problems that arise.

[Smashmouth#1]

by the way....there are 6 or 7 pages of these things over on the Tallmadge Forum.....maybe check them out.

[1badspartan]

Well my nephew came back from the Florida trip said it was fun. He can't wait to play Jr high ball next year. His dad will not let him cut anymore weight. I can see were he is coming from. I hope we have a good coach for the Jr high next year. I heard a couple of rumors it might be Abdul Mahammed Smith. Anybody have a clue here? I also heard there won't be a play to play for all of football 7th thru 12. Anybody know anything about that? Ray Fowler is reporting he is trying his best to help the high school sports program get back on track. The guy is a very good person and a outstanding AD in the circumstances he has faced.

syfc pride

[Irish87]

I do agree with varsity parents and why the jv kids were brought up to play in Florida. The kids who are not playing during the regular season are sure going to get less playing time now since the coaches kids are going. They really didn't think that one through.



syfc pride

As I stated before, the kids brought up were mainly for Practicing purposes. The intent was not for them to play in front of 1st Teamers or 2nd Teamers. We needed bodies, to assist with practices, so we could scrimmage against each other 11 on 11. If, there was an opportunity for these 3 kids to get into a game, after all other players were already in, I was going to reward them with playing time, for their hard work and dedication to the rest of the Team. I don't care what anybody else thinks. If you people can not understand that train of thought, then you have no clue what it means to be a fair Coach. Keep in mind, if, there was an opportunity for them to get into the game, I was going to jump on it. I don't care if it was a Coaches son or not. This was a once in a lifetime opportunity for all of these Players, and getting on that field is something they will always remember.

Now, to update you on these 3 Players:
None of the 3 received any playing time in game one. It was a tight, hard fought battle, that came down to the last seconds before the outcome was determined. Unfortunately, there was not an opportunity for these kids in my mind, to get them on the field.

Now, the 2nd game was a different story. The game was well at hand at the start of the 3rd quarter. We were losing 38 - 0. At this point, all starters were pulled from the game, and 2nd stringers were inserted. After all 2nd stringers were in the game, the remaining 3 JV Players were sent in to replace the remainder of starters. No 2nd Stringer lost any playing time because of these 3 Players.

People need to relax about Coaches decisions and trust they will do whats right for the team. Its obvious there are a few individuals on here, who have never coached before and would rather sit back and bash the coaches.

This issue is sensitive to me, because I feel the Varsity Coaches, including myself, did an excellent job this year of getting all players playing time, while putting together an excellent record. Were there some games that some kids didn't get much time? Yes, but all in all, the Coaching was fair. If you would have been in Florida, you would have seen that all the kids had a great time and will remember this experience the rest of their lives. Not one kid on the Team had a problem with these 3 kids joining the Roster.

Springfield parents need to get a clue. They are running good coaches and players out of town with their petty little complaints. There is never any satisfying you guys. No wonder the H.S. program stinks.

[green pride]

As stated before if this so called group joins BYF please feel free to sign up for Green or any other SYF team. This is not a first for the SYF we have had a number of teams come and go ex Coventry, Northwest, Hudson, Rootstown, Streetsboro, Barberton, Copley. Most could not compete so they went to a weaker league. Good luck Springfield people I have been through what you are going through and if you do not put a stop to it all the kids will suffer. Look at the peoples motives who are starting this over there I dont know them but I can quess their kids aren't very good and a little spoiled. The parents are probably used to getting their own way. Most of these kids you are fighting for will never play high school football. Your kid only has one youth experience dont ruin it because he might not have gotten the playing time you think he deserves. I have met so many Springfield people this year get past your petty differences and unite because if you dont wait till you go to BYF if you want to see a good old boy network.

[GRPride86]

As stated before if this so called group joins BYF please feel free to sign up for Green or any other SYF team. This is not a first for the SYF we have had a number of teams come and go ex Coventry, Northwest, Hudson, Rootstown, Streetsboro, Barberton, Copley. Most could not compete so they went to a weaker league. Good luck Springfield people I have been through what you are going through and if you do not put a stop to it all the kids will suffer. Look at the peoples motives who are starting this over there I dont know them but I can quess their kids aren't very good and a little spoiled. The parents are probably used to getting their own way. Most of these kids you are fighting for will never play high school football. Your kid only has one youth experience dont ruin it because he might not have gotten the playing time you think he deserves. I have met so many Springfield people this year get past your petty differences and unite because if you dont wait till you go to BYF if you want to see a good old boy network.

Instead of criticizing the people of Springfield for something that isn’t official yet, why not get the directors of the SYFA together and figure out how you can get them to stay. I just don’t understand this attitude that it’s our way or the highway, or the “just wait till you get over there” statements. Try and work with this community, obviously they have some concerns.

As for the youth experience, hardly anyone who played football beyond the youth level ever remembers pee wee football. If you ask any of the kids from Tallmadge that went to the State Semi Finals, they don’t talk about their youth football experiences, they talk about high school. Bruce Springstein didn’t write a song about the “Glory Days” of youth baseball, it was about his High School years.

It is true that not all the kids that play youth football will play or even will want to play in high school, but you can’t give up on those kids that aren’t the studs. I know and you should know that most kids that are studs at the youth level aren’t the studs in high school.

But I digress, back to the topic. It will be interesting to see what the “officials” of the SYFA are going to do to try and keep Ellet and Springfield in the league

[1badspartan]

If Ellet and Springfield leave the syfl, what will happen next. Like I said before you guys did not take the complaints to heart. Green has the most to lose not any other league. I feel your pain pride , and it feels like everything is slipping through your fingers.

[Irish87]

GRPride,

I beg to differ. I know a lot of people who still talk about their "Glory Days" of Pee Wee Football. Not to mention, if you have ever been to a National Championship Tournament, in Daytona, you have a better idea of what I am talking about. The kids were so excited and had so much fun, I have a hard time believing they will not look back in 6 - 10 years and remenisc(sp). Heck, Yappi and I both could prolly spend hours together talking bout old times. Spending a week in Florida, with your Teamates, playing against kids from other states, having Practice right on the Beach, and spending hours in the Atlantic laughing and wrestling with others will be something they never forget. Especially for the kids who do not go on to the next level.

[spartan71]

i still remember my youth football career i can remember being on a undefeted varsity team that was one win away from being overall league champs (and a trip to the national chanpionships in florida) only to lose to mogadore 18 to 8 in a mud bowl at field high school i think these boys will always remember this season it was my high school seasons that i would like to forget..no glory there..:shrug: i thought ssyf did well this year first time in a while we had jv and varsity in the playoffs i would love to have run the playbook from the high school but the coaching situation at the high school has been unstable for so long why teach it if there will be a different coach with different plays when the boys get there? i see both sides having valid points but come on what we need in springfield is stability and numbers not backstabbers and a powerstruggle.

[GRPride86]

Irish,

One question, did you graduate from St. V in 87?

[Irish87]

Yes,
Class of 87. Grew up in Tallmadge, played youth and L.L. in Tallmadge, Coached Youth in Tallmadge from 93 to 95, moved to Springfield in 1996.

[Irish87]

....and no more quoting Springsteen. Thats my boy, and I should be the only person allowed to do that on the Springfield Forum. :)

[GRPride86]

Ok,

Then you will remember when we played against each other in 85' in the first 2 OT game for each school.

Now if you want to talk about memories, how about State Championship games played at the "Shoe", or playing for a State Title in Little League or playing against Notre Dame and Frank Stams in 1987. I think those memories out shadow a trip to Daytona. Were there 50 teams in your division in Daytona?

I think instead of going to Florida or Tennessee or any other "National Championship" site, how about a true Ohio Championship. How about having a real State Tournament that would determine a State Champion?

By the way didn't quote the "Boss", just mentioned his name.:angel:

[Irish87]

Just a Sophmore in 85 and received little PT, so my memories of that year are vague, when it comes to Football. You'll have to help me, did you go to Garfield?

Some of my fondest Memories, would include State Championship in Little League, State Champiuonship in H.S., missing the LL World Series by basically one game, playing Football against the likes of Frank Stams, playing basketball against the likes of Jerome Lane(not to mention helping him pass Drivers Ed by looking over my shoulder), hitting 3 Home Runs in one day and the chance to win a National Championship. As an ex-player and current Coach, you tend to remember these accomplishments and adding the N.C. to my resume would have been another accomplished goal of mine.

Daytona was set up in brackets. You were placed in a Bracket, with teams similiar in size. They took an average of all the weights on your team, and matched them up with other Teams similiar in size. Our Bracket consisted of 3 Teams. I know it sounds funny, but thats how it worked.

I would not have a problem with having a legit "State Championship" for Ohio.

The State Championships in the Shoe were special back in the day. I was fortuanate enough to attend 2 of them, and watch my Brother win both. He was teamates with Frank Stams, Pat Banston, Ed Taggert, Henry Henderson, Steve Stams, Tim Bittner and many others that went on to play Pro and big time College Football.

[GRPride86]

Our Bracket consisted of 3 Teams. I know it sounds funny, but thats how it worked.

What's funny is that it isn't a "real" national championship. If you would have won all of your games would you have had to play Green? If not, would we have had two or even three "national champions" from our league?

What if Ellet would have won a "national championship" in Tennessee and Green and Springfield would have won one in Florida? See how goofy that seems?

State Championships is where it's at. You don't have to travel that far and you could set up the Finals at Cleveland Stadium or Cincinnati's Stadium. Cost would be minimal on all involved and you could really get some good rivalries going with other Ohio communities that could last all the way up to high school.

[Irish87]

GRPride,

I understand what your saying, but I didn't make the rules. The Tournament crowns you National Champions if you win your Bracket. In fact, we actually could have had Green, Springfield, Cuyahoga Falls, Stow and Ellet all Champions. CF and Stow were also in attendance in FL. Not sure if the Rocky Mountain Tourney in TN calls the winners nat Champs. We would not have had to play Green because they actually played in a Division down there, where the maximum weight was 156 lbs, and they still won it. We played in the similiar weight class as SSYF.

We attended this Tourney because we felt this team had the potential to compete with the caliber of teams attending the Tourney, and we qualified by winning our Division. If in the future, any other Team(s) from SSYF has this criteria, I'm sure the League would do the same for them.

[GRPride86]

Irish,

I'm not dogging you or the other teams that went down there and yes the tourney that Elelt was in calls their winners National Champs to. All I am saying is that I think a State Championship would be more prestigious. Everyone knows that the best football is played in Ohio, right?

[green pride]

We have teams every year that want to be in our league. It would be a shame if you guys left but for you not the league. The SYF has been around for 50 years because you have Directors and Board members who are in it for the long term. Most people on this forum are involved for their kids and when they are gone they dont care what happens to the league. Not everything is going to be perfect in any league and if you dont think they have problems in BYF you are seriously mistaken. We had over 40 kids come back to our orginization because all the promises were not followed through.

I still am not sure how Green has the most to lose. We have a BYF league and we have the most participants in SYF ever?

If Ellet and Springfield leave the syfl, what will happen next. Like I said before you guys did not take the complaints to heart. Green has the most to lose not any other league. I feel your pain pride , and it feels like everything is slipping through your fingers.

[1badspartan]

We have teams every year that want to be in our league. It would be a shame if you guys left but for you not the league. The SYF has been around for 50 years because you have Directors and Board members who are in it for the long term. Most people on this forum are involved for their kids and when they are gone they dont care what happens to the league. Not everything is going to be perfect in any league and if you dont think they have problems in BYF you are seriously mistaken. We had over 40 kids come back to our orginization because all the promises were not followed through.

I still am not sure how Green has the most to lose. We have a BYF league and we have the most participants in SYF ever?

Keep digging that hole you started, deeper, deeper and deeper.

[Irish87]

Keep in mind, not everyone involved with SSYF wants to leave. There are few people, outside the Board Members, who are exploring the idea of changing the League into a BYF style League. The plans are still being looked at.

There has been a change in Directorship in SSYF and the way it happened was a little more secretive than what most people agreed with, inc myself. I would rather try and work together to keep SSYF and also put some preasure on SYF to tweek the weights to help more children be available to play.

Nobody knows where the new Director stands at this point. Again, he has not spoken to anyone about the plans for next year. He has not offered any coaching positions or Board positions that I know of, to anyone for 2008. Maybe he has and just hasn't brought it out to the public yet. All i know is, with all the rumors and complaints going around, it would be in his best interest to hold a meeting and lay things on the table.

Whatever League Springfield ends up in, I can tell you, this group of Parents going through the program now, will never be happy. Just my opinion.

[green pride]

You still did not answer the question before.

Keep digging that hole you started, deeper, deeper and deeper.

[thepolster]

Like I said before Irish in person, the director will not have a choice. Man it still burns me how our season went. The last 2 years we had a top caliber team. I think last years team was far above talent wise than this years. I wish I could of been down there to see the games stirring up the pot . Never a dull moment at the s.y.f. The pics are up on the web http://www.thenationals.net/football.htm very crappy action shots.

[Smashmouth#1]

Like I said before Irish in person, the director will not have a choice. Man it still burns me how our season went. The last 2 years we had a top caliber team. I think last years team was far above talent wise than this years. I wish I could of been down there to see the games stirring up the pot . Never a dull moment at the s.y.f. The pics are up on the web http://www.thenationals.net/football.htm very crappy action shots.

HOW DOES THE DIRECTOR NOT HAVE A CHOICE? I DONT UNDERSTAND THAT ONE.

[Smashmouth#1]

Keep digging that hole you started, deeper, deeper and deeper.

ELABORATE ON THIS ONE FOR ME...................in simple terms explain.

[Smashmouth#1]

GR Pride,

What are you doing? Why knock a Tournament that has been around since 72. It's obvious that you forgot, at least in this train of thought, what it's all about. It's about the kids. That's just BS to knock people for attending a National Tournament. And you honestly cannot say that the kids wont remember such a significant event in their life.....They are 12, 13, and 14.
The reason that they split up the brackets the way that they do is for a couple of reasons. First and foremost, safety.....studies have shown that by playing more than 2 games in a short timespan signifigantly increases injuries. Secondly, is obviously, time constraints.

As far as throwing an idea out there about an Ohio Football Tourney.....innovative idea............but dont try to make your point more valid by tearing down another great event.

[GRPride86]

I'm not tearing anybody or any team down. I just don't think you should be called a "National Champion" if you win your bracket. Will the kids remember their trip, yeah, until they have success in High School and then play in College. The main goal of playing after our league is over is to play other teams from other areas, why go to Florida? Why not stay in Ohio?

And before everyone jumps down my throught, my daughter has 14 "National Championships" under her belt. I've been everywhere from Chicago, Nashville, Myrtle Beach, Williamsburg, Orlando, Jacksonville and Indy just to name a few. I know what these "national championships" consist of, BIG $$$$$$$$$. There is only one "National Championship" that means anything to her and her team. It was one 4 years ago that was a true "National Championship". 50 teams from around the United States and they won. Now that was a tournament, not two or three teams.

I'm just saying that parents and coaches should be telling these kids that there are better things ahead of them if they keep up the hard work and dedication to strive to be a State Champion.

[green pride]

This will be the last time 99% of these kids will ever play for a championship again. You have never been to Florida and you dont have a clue what you are talking about. If you have such a big problem with the name it probably is not a true championship it is however a great tournament that over 30 states attend. Have fun in middle school I will look foward to the new coaches on the Varsity in Tallmadge.

[GRPride86]

You almost ended up with some of the same guys. It's so funny how easy it is you push your buttons.

And like I said before, I have more of a clue than you think. So don't get on here and act so rightous.

But, I do have one question for you. As I understand it by past post of yours, you didn't like McVicker. Now I don't know if it was because he supported the other league as a feeder system to the high school or you just didn't like his coaching style. My question to you is, will you support a coach that wants to change the way the youth program is run in the community? What if the head coach wants the youth program run like CYO or the BYF? Will you conform to his wishes?

[Smashmouth#1]

I'm not tearing anybody or any team down. I just don't think you should be called a "National Champion" if you win your bracket. Will the kids remember their trip, yeah, until they have success in High School and then play in College. The main goal of playing after our league is over is to play other teams from other areas, why go to Florida? Why not stay in Ohio?

And before everyone jumps down my throught, my daughter has 14 "National Championships" under her belt. I've been everywhere from Chicago, Nashville, Myrtle Beach, Williamsburg, Orlando, Jacksonville and Indy just to name a few. I know what these "national championships" consist of, BIG $$$$$$$$$. There is only one "National Championship" that means anything to her and her team. It was one 4 years ago that was a true "National Championship". 50 teams from around the United States and they won. Now that was a tournament, not two or three teams.

I'm just saying that parents and coaches should be telling these kids that there are better things ahead of them if they keep up the hard work and dedication to strive to be a State Champion.

Why stay in Ohio? Why not put your team up against some of the best teams in the country.
So your daughter has 14 National Championships (and congratulations to her and her team).......in what sport? Gymnastics, Cheerleading, Softball, Soccer? Totally different deal.......None of those are contact sports..with the exception of Soccer in some sense...it sounds like you are kinda downgrading it. No offense intended, but if you went, participated and now say that they don't mean anything, that's hypocritical.
What's the problem with generating a profit, we live in a capitalistic society.
There's a problem with calling them National Champions? Fine call them frickin "Ultimate Final Champions of the Universe"....does it really matter what they are called? Sounds like you are just Picking Flysh-- out of Pepper.
So because they go to Daytona Beach and compete with teams from around the Eastern half of the US....(those from the Western Half go to Las Vegas).....that they're not being told that they need to work hard and be dedicated? That doesn't make sense. You are an advocate of a State Tournament....that's fine....you want to keep those BIG $$$$$$$$$$$ in Ohio....And how are you really to know that these kids won't remember this trip? That just doesnt make a whole lot of sense.....granted maybe there will be moments from High School or College that overshadow this event from earlier in their life....but it still doesn't make it any less signifigant.
We arent going to agree on this I just thought that its lousy to try and downgrade an event that really does mean a lot to these kids and gives them a great boost to their confidence....and rewards them for a whole lot of hard work and dedication.

[GRPride86]

Why stay in Ohio? Why not put your team up against some of the best teams in the country.
So your daughter has 14 National Championships (and congratulations to her and her team).......in what sport? Gymnastics, Cheerleading, Softball, Soccer? Totally different deal.......None of those are contact sports..with the exception of Soccer in some sense...it sounds like you are kinda downgrading it. No offense intended, but if you went, participated and now say that they don't mean anything, that's hypocritical.


No not hypocritical at all. I've been there, done that. It doesn't matter if it was a contact sport or not, what in the world would that have to do with anything? I'm talking from experience and I talk to numerous teammates and parents and everyone seems to feel the same. They are simple competitions that just happen to have the phrase "National Champion" after it.

Listen, it could be a great tournament, all I'm saying is why go all the way to Florida to participate in a football tournament, when the best football played is in this state. I'm sure that there are a ton of good teams down in the Cincy area. That is a hot bed for youth and high school football. Let's go down there and see how we would contend.

[Smashmouth#1]

No not hypocritical at all. I've been there, done that. It doesn't matter if it was a contact sport or not, what in the world would that have to do with anything? I'm talking from experience and I talk to numerous teammates and parents and everyone seems to feel the same. They are simple competitions that just happen to have the phrase "National Champion" after it.

Listen, it could be a great tournament, all I'm saying is why go all the way to Florida to participate in a football tournament, when the best football played is in this state. I'm sure that there are a ton of good teams down in the Cincy area. That is a hot bed for youth and high school football. Let's go down there and see how we would contend.

Well, to be honest..........Ohio is a very good state for football....that cannot be denied........but the best? I don't agree.....it's a tie between Ohio, Texas, and Florida. All three have very strong football roots.
You have a valid point about having a state tourney..........But why go all the way to Cincy? There are great teams just up the road in Cleveland....we could just be the Northeast Ohio Champions.
And it does make a difference on what sport that was being participated in. You can cheer more than once in one day, you can play 2 or 3 basketball games in one day.....you can play a softball doubleheader..........you can't play 2 football games in one day. It is a very different ballgame there.

[GRPride86]

Smash,

You also bring up some valid points. (That's why I like you, great minds think alike). Cleveland has some great youth programs. Examples: CYO- St. Eds, Iggy, Glenville, Mentor, Solon. Cincy youth programs. Examples: CYO-St.X, St. Elder, Moeller, Colerain, Princeton.

I do have to agree with playing several football games in a week. That does take alot out of you.

As in many things on Yappi, some people make me do research, so I have done some for green pride. I got out the 2003 year book for TYF. I counted the varsity and junior varsity players that are actively player for their high school teams. Varsity- 17 kids - 60% of the team Junior Varsity- 13 kids - 50% of the team. Those are the kind of numbers you should be looking for in Springfield and all the other schools that are involved with the SYFA.

OK, my brain is fried. Let's make more suggestions on what Springfield can do to "rebuild" their high school team.

[1badspartan]

ELABORATE ON THIS ONE FOR ME...................in simple terms explain.
He's been digging a grave for the syfl everytime he does a key stroke.

[Irish87]

OK, here is the deal, I really thought SSYF was on the right track last year, but the Director was a very controlling individual who did not believe in a democratic way of running things. Many decisions were made without any consideration from the Board. If you didn't go along with everything he wanted, he cut you off and held a grudge against you, no matter how much time you put into Volunteering. I experienced this first hand. Not to toot my own horn, but I spent countless hours working on the Field, picking up trash, painting bleachers, handing out equipment, stocking the concession stand, setting up and tearing down fields, holding down markers, announcing games over the PA system, asking many of the local businesses for donations and working the Reverse Raffle, but because I didn't agree with everything this man wanted, regarding the Varsity Football Team, I was basically run out of the Program. I was selected to Coach the Varsity Team, and did a pretty good job the last 2 years. Directors need to stay out of the Coaches way. Trust their judgement about who they hired and stick to running the League, not get involved with the games. SSYF had some good coaches in place last year. There was a ton of experience at each level. With a few tweeks here and there, it would have just gotten better. But now, the way things were handled toward the end of the season, people are looking to bail and start a different League. With a new attitude, maybe SSYF can get back on track, but right now, there were many people hurt by some of the previous Directors choices and decisions and many of these people will not be returning. There are still people on here talking about stuff, that they have no idea about. The Finances of the League and Secretarial responsibilities were handled professionally and accurately. If anything, this part of the SSYF was the most in order. A Board is only as good as its Director, and last year that was non-existant.

[green pride]

As far as Elden it was more than his support of a new league. You know the whole story ask Hanes he will fill you in. I will listen to anyones views I will however do what is right for the youth of my community not the high school. I am sorry if I acted rightous I know that is your job.You almost ended up with some of the same guys. It's so funny how easy it is you push your buttons.

And like I said before, I have more of a clue than you think. So don't get on here and act so rightous.

But, I do have one question for you. As I understand it by past post of yours, you didn't like McVicker. Now I don't know if it was because he supported the other league as a feeder system to the high school or you just didn't like his coaching style. My question to you is, will you support a coach that wants to change the way the youth program is run in the community? What if the head coach wants the youth program run like CYO or the BYF? Will you conform to his wishes?

[GRPride86]

I will listen to anyones views I will however do what is right for the youth of my community not the high school.

If this is your attitude, why are you on the committee to pick the new high school coach.

[Smashmouth#1]

He's been digging a grave for the syfl everytime he does a key stroke.

These are what I am talking about when I state that these are "drive-by" postings. People adding their comments that dont make any sense. And when you question them about it, you either dont get an answer or you get some kind of BS.

Would you care to elaborate and make some sense?

[green pride]

Hopefully to make sure another coach doesnt tear the community apart like Elden did. If this is your attitude, why are you on the committee to pick the new high school coach.

[1badspartan]

Like I said in my original post, the s.y.f.l took to long to decide on important issues regarding Springfield, ellet, Tallmage. Now that the s.y.f.l is backed into a corner they are trying every tactic to come back and save face. This time from personal knowelege there won't be a fix to this screwup. You guys had plenty of time to listen to people complain. But stood there with that do nothing attitude. My guess that you cant stand to say the byf is a good thing, and it has slipped through your stronghold on the league. All I am saying is you guys should of bit the bullet and gave in. I wish the s.y.f.l. good luck and cheers. I will make you a deal. I will leave the c,b,a and jv teams unlimited in your league if we get the 7th and 8th for our jr high, deal?

[Smashmouth#1]

Like I said in my original post, the s.y.f.l took to long to decide on important issues regarding Springfield, ellet, Tallmage. Now that the s.y.f.l is backed into a corner they are trying every tactic to come back and save face. This time from personal knowelege there won't be a fix to this screwup. You guys had plenty of time to listen to people complain. But stood there with that do nothing attitude. My guess that you cant stand to say the byf is a good thing, and it has slipped through your stronghold on the league. All I am saying is you guys should of bit the bullet and gave in. I wish the s.y.f.l. good luck and cheers. I will make you a deal. I will leave the c,b,a and jv teams unlimited in your league if we get the 7th and 8th for our jr high, deal?

If the constitution can only be changed at the beginning of the year...then you havent given them the opportunity to change anything yet. The benefit that I see with BYF is that the unlimited weight thing allows all kids to play. My problem lies with the fact that how they started and the backstabbing that took place then.....the lies and BS rumors that still go on to this day. If you go back and read some of my old posts, you would understand that. Good luck....because if this deal happens in Springfield, you will see what I am talking about. How can we make a deal, for one, all changes have to be voted on by the entire board. And another thing, if you take all of the 7th and 8th graders to the Jr. High then you are limiting your kids that play. If you keep the JV and Varsity at the Youth level you then afford more kids an opportunity to play. Keep the weight limits in place...if they are too big they go to the Middle School. How is that a bad thing?

[GRPride86]

And another thing, if you take all of the 7th and 8th graders to the Jr. High then you are limiting your kids that play. If you keep the JV and Varsity at the Youth level you then afford more kids an opportunity to play. Keep the weight limits in place...if they are too big they go to the Middle School. How is that a bad thing?

The thing that I have seen over the years is that their is a recruiting war that goes on between the Middle School and the Varsity Teams and it just doesn't happen over in Tallmadge it happens in Green to.

Here's another suggestion:

JV - Unlimited weight - Skill positions cannot weight over 125 (current weight limit)

Varsity - Unlimited weight - 8th graders ( weight limit - 120)/ Skill positions cannot weigh over 133 (current weight limit)

This way the smaller 8th graders can still play and there shouldn't be any conflicts between the Middle Schools and the Youth Leagues.

[Irish87]

I will make you a deal. I will leave the c,b,a and jv teams unlimited in your league if we get the 7th and 8th for our jr high, deal?

Let me play devils advocate for a minute. Lets say for a minute, Springfield does somehow manage to have a Middle School Football Team next year again. What happens, when the School Levy continues to fail? As everybody knows, cuts are made and athletics is one of the first things looked at. Just a few years ago, pay to play was put in affect. Last year, it just so happened, there were not enough kids to field a Team at the Middle School(Jr High). If Levies continue to fail, and they probably will, who's to say, they don't cut Football all together at the Middle School? What happens then? Now we really don't have a whole lot to go on. All these changes that were pushed for by the "new league" promoters, will have come back to bite us. I doubt SYF will be receptive to changing back, and allowing Springfield to have a Varsity again. No matter how much the H.S. Coach is involved, when cuts have to be made, he has no control over that. That is in the hands of the School Board, or State for Springfields matter.

Do I have a point, or am I missing something. I just want to make sure everyone has thought this through.

[GRPride86]

What happens, when the School Levy continues to fail? As everybody knows, cuts are made and athletics is one of the first things looked at.

Irish,

You're right, athletics are the first things to look at to cut, the reason, because it's the easiest thing to cut, it takes no thought process at all. You need to hold the BOE and Superintendents feet to the fire. Demand that they find other ways or you get rid of them and find people who will actually work at finding a solution. Usually those are business men and women who actually know how to run things.

If people do things right, sports can be a money maker for the schools.

[Irish87]

At the High School, yes. I can see that, but at the Middle School(JR High) I would not say they make any money off of it.

I don't think you understand the situation in Springfield. The schools are in such bad shape, one more Levy failure and the State takes over. When that happens, all Sports will be cut and there is no holding anybodies feet to the fire. Whats done is done and the people of the Township will not have any say in it.

If and when that happens, it would be a shame, if the Youth organization is associated with the Schools, to where it is cut also. It could happen, and it will happen at the Middle School, if a Levy is not passed soon.

[green pride]

Wow someone finally understands. Work as a group to fix what you have. If and when athletics is cut in Springfield your kids will still have a place to play and if they want to go to a different school because you have no sports they wont miss a beat. I hope you can convey this to your people because they are being promised many things that the other league cant produce. They will promise you anything to get you on board so be careful.

At the High School, yes. I can see that, but at the Middle School(JR High) I would not say they make any money off of it.

I don't think you understand the situation in Springfield. The schools are in such bad shape, one more Levy failure and the State takes over. When that happens, all Sports will be cut and there is no holding anybodies feet to the fire. Whats done is done and the people of the Township will not have any say in it.

If and when that happens, it would be a shame, if the Youth organization is associated with the Schools, to where it is cut also. It could happen, and it will happen at the Middle School, if a Levy is not passed soon.

[1badspartan]

Wow someone finally understands. Work as a group to fix what you have. If and when athletics is cut in Springfield your kids will still have a place to play and if they want to go to a different school because you have no sports they wont miss a beat. I hope you can convey this to your people because they are being promised many things that the other league cant produce. They will promise you anything to get you on board so be careful.

What makes the s.y.f.l. better than the B.Y.F.l? Is there some majical land over there. The syfl hasn't produced in the last 20 years over here in springfield. What maybe 5 to ten kids who actually could play. I used to believe in the syfl until I paid some attention up at the high school. Do you know what the favorite words in Springfield are said every year? WE WILL HAVE A BETTER TEAM NEXT YEAR. That should be plastered across our bleachers. Its time for a new revolution.

[Irish87]

But we will, honest. :)

After all, how could it get any worse?:laugh:

[spartan71]

:stirthepot: have only a limit for varsity kids that would eliminate middle school fighting with youth varsity for kids they could actually work together small 7th and 8th graders play youth varsity and big 7th and 8th graders play middle school. would this be possible for syf i think if they are willing to go a-team down unlimited why not j.v. down that is where the problem is that way there would be no sit out time for the big boys and still have a spot for the smaller boys to get some p.t.. ya know?:cool: at least the people involved in this conversation are not "boo birds" ( thats what former h.s. coach bodicker used to call people in springfield now i understand what he was talking about )

[GRPride86]

Not bad...

Have varsity weight limit be between 120 - 125 lbs.

[Yappi]

I started a post about weight limits in the Tallmadge forum here:
http://www.yappi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156719

I'm just interested in what everyone thinks of weight limits and it would be easier to have one thread for that specific topic.

[Irish87]

Where are we going to get all these kids? Its hard enough to fill a Varsity Roster with weight limits up to 133, now you want to limit players that weigh less than 125? There are not enough kids in the Township, to set restrictions like this in place. What if a kid that weighs 123 wants to play Middle School? Is he not allowed? I don't have the answers, but I don't think the max weight of 125 will work.

[spartan71]

leave the current weights in place for varsity 133 varsity only weightlimit, as i said the varsity youth would be for smaller kids in 7th and age eligible 8th graders with some stud 6th graders brought up i would hope we could get enough for a varsity if we still don't then we have to do some knocking on doors in this township and make it happen i would think after a year or 2 the numbers would come back if the program shows improvment and the community gets behind us.

[1badspartan]

really all we are saying is we dont need a varsity sqaud. To hurt the jr high so a couple of kids can sit on the sidelines really isnt the issue. If a kid can play varsity at the youth the what is the big deal to play at the jr high. If we can get the numbers to field a 7th and 8th team that would solve the issue of little johnny not getting to play. Lets face it , if your kid can't take a hit then he must belong in the band. Football is for a boy to become a man, not be a little mamas boy. Tell your little one to grow up because life doesnt get easier. The numbers are there at the jr high, I have a roster of atleast 95 kids. In a week or two I hope we can all get together and tweek our new league. This is not about just the syfl its about the whole system that has failed us.

[Irish87]

Don't take this the wrong way 1badspartan, but how is it, we could only manage 15 kids this year at the Middle School, but for the year 2008, you already have 95 kids signed up? Or is that just for the rumored new League? Not that I don't believe you, totally, but what has happened, to have such a change in heart from these kids?

I am very curious to find out what these changes might be.

[OldCard]

Like I said in my original post, the s.y.f.l took to long to decide on important issues regarding Springfield, ellet, Tallmage. Now that the s.y.f.l is backed into a corner they are trying every tactic to come back and save face. This time from personal knowelege there won't be a fix to this screwup. You guys had plenty of time to listen to people complain. But stood there with that do nothing attitude. My guess that you cant stand to say the byf is a good thing, and it has slipped through your stronghold on the league. All I am saying is you guys should of bit the bullet and gave in. I wish the s.y.f.l. good luck and cheers. I will make you a deal. I will leave the c,b,a and jv teams unlimited in your league if we get the 7th and 8th for our jr high, deal?

Please let us all know what Springfield wanted fixed and who refused?

You may find your anger is misdirected.

[Yappi]

Please let us all know what Springfield wanted fixed and who refused?

You may find your anger is misdirected.

There seems to be alot of anger from a number of districts. I wonder if it's time for Suburban Youth Football to make some organizational changes that will open up the process to a greater number of people. I still feel it's a great league but the process is too cloaked and the average parent and coach doesn't seem to understand what is going on.

Just a quick observation, I'm not sure weight limits are really that big of an issue. There are a few very upset people but you might find MORE upset people if Suburban Youth Football went to unlimited weights.

[green pride]

It is the Directors job to tell people in their organization what went on at the meeting. I would like the minutes to the meeting posted. If this would have been done in the past Ellet would not have had the problems because the people would not have been lied to. There seems to be alot of anger from a number of districts. I wonder if it's time for Suburban Youth Football to make some organizational changes that will open up the process to a greater number of people. I still feel it's a great league but the process is too cloaked and the average parent and coach doesn't seem to understand what is going on.

Just a quick observation, I'm not sure weight limits are really that big of an issue. There are a few very upset people but you might find MORE upset people if Suburban Youth Football went to unlimited weights.

[GRPride86]

Where are we going to get all these kids? Its hard enough to fill a Varsity Roster with weight limits up to 133, now you want to limit players that weigh less than 125? There are not enough kids in the Township, to set restrictions like this in place. What if a kid that weighs 123 wants to play Middle School? Is he not allowed? I don't have the answers, but I don't think the max weight of 125 will work.

No, no, no,

I'm not saying that a 7th or 8th grader couldn't play Middle School ball, I'm saying that in order to play varsity you could weigh more than 125. If you did, you would have to play Middle School. I you weighed 90 and were in 7th grade and wanted to play Middle School, go ahead.

I just keep seeing people on all kinds of threads saying the "smaller" kids, well, let's define "smaller" kids.

[GRPride86]

Here's an idea for the SYFA, have an "emergency" meeting to get the ball rolling on what people are having issues with. Don't use the excuse that we can only change the "constitution" at the beginning of the year. Start now so people will see that the directors are serious about making changes.

[GRPride86]

It is the Directors job to tell people in their organization what went on at the meeting. I would like the minutes to the meeting posted.

Post them on the website.

[Smashmouth#1]

really all we are saying is we dont need a varsity sqaud. To hurt the jr high so a couple of kids can sit on the sidelines really isnt the issue. If a kid can play varsity at the youth the what is the big deal to play at the jr high. If we can get the numbers to field a 7th and 8th team that would solve the issue of little johnny not getting to play. Lets face it , if your kid can't take a hit then he must belong in the band. Football is for a boy to become a man, not be a little mamas boy. Tell your little one to grow up because life doesnt get easier. The numbers are there at the jr high, I have a roster of atleast 95 kids. In a week or two I hope we can all get together and tweek our new league. This is not about just the syfl its about the whole system that has failed us.

95 kids...........yea that's not too many for a team

It affords all the kids the opportunity and a choice.........How is that bad?

[Smashmouth#1]

What makes the s.y.f.l. better than the B.Y.F.l? Is there some majical land over there. The syfl hasn't produced in the last 20 years over here in springfield. What maybe 5 to ten kids who actually could play. I used to believe in the syfl until I paid some attention up at the high school. Do you know what the favorite words in Springfield are said every year? WE WILL HAVE A BETTER TEAM NEXT YEAR. That should be plastered across our bleachers. Its time for a new revolution.

The competition............the SYF is one of the most competitive leagues in the area..........12 teams as opposed to 4.

[Smashmouth#1]

Here's an idea for the SYFA, have an "emergency" meeting to get the ball rolling on what people are having issues with. Don't use the excuse that we can only change the "constitution" at the beginning of the year. Start now so people will see that the directors are serious about making changes.

Valid Point..........is this feasable??????

[Smashmouth#1]

Post them on the website.

This idea makes a lot of sense.

[Smashmouth#1]

It is the Directors job to tell people in their organization what went on at the meeting. I would like the minutes to the meeting posted. If this would have been done in the past Ellet would not have had the problems because the people would not have been lied to.

Sorry wrong quote.......This is the idea that I was talking about that makes a lot of sense. Everything is out in the open that way, and no one can alter anything to suit their needs.

[Yappi]

One other suggestion is to bring the website up to date. The schedules are from 2006. Three of the six links to community websites are incorrect. There is very little information. Having the bylaws online would be a major source of information for many people who would like to know the rules of the organization. Defining how many teams are competing at each level and which division would also be great. If you have to pay someone to do it, then do it. I know other youth organizations that pay for their website and SYFA should do the same to provide more information.

[green pride]

Stop acting like the league is in trouble. Ellet got caught and want to switch leagues so be it. They bring up weight yet their director voted down every weight increase every year. I do have the minutes if someone thinks this is false. Springfield is far from leaving. Yappi is not the league most people in the league could care less about this site. You guys continue to scare the 10 or 15 people that post here but understand the league will do the best for the kids as it has always done and most of the complainers will disappear in about 5 months. SYF is as strong as ever and if 1 or 2 teams leave we will get more teams and the kids will continue to have great experiences.Here's an idea for the SYFA, have an "emergency" meeting to get the ball rolling on what people are having issues with. Don't use the excuse that we can only change the "constitution" at the beginning of the year. Start now so people will see that the directors are serious about making changes.

[Yappi]

Yappi is not the league most people in the league could care less about this site.

I disagree with that and many others that I've talked to disagree too. The website is your doorway to the league. It should be a positive reflection of the league. I've already talked to our director about it and hope that the other directors will consider updating it.

I coached a c-squad team this year. I patched together schedules from the various sites I could find. We had games against teams from the same community (Springfield, Field, Ravenna, Cuyahoga Falls) and weren't sure whether it was two different teams or the same team twice. Since our community had two Tueday teams, we were looking to see if it was possible to switch up the schedule and not have to play the same team twice. It would have have been MUCH easier to go to one master schedule to see all the teams at once.

[OldCard]

Yappi,

The fact that the SYFA web site is rarely updated and has inaccurate information has been addressed in a recent meeting. The person that was being paid to handle the web site was not responding to requests.

Steps are being taken to correct this problem. Just as steps will be made to address the weight restrictions and other issues of the league.

Many people on these boards act like SYFA is ignoring the whole thing. There has been discussion in meetings since August that the weight restrictions must be adjusted. I believe that there will be change but think about it, there is no consensus here, how easy do you think it will be to make change for a 2,000 kid organization?

If you go to anything but total unlimited, there are always going to a group of kids that will not be allowed to play. I'm sure that every program has kids like some I have seen in Tallmadge. You know the kind, they have middle school or even high school size at age 12. I'm talking skill position kids, not linemen.

Most options I have seen would still preclude these kids from playing anywhere except the line. Now I know these parents would never complain about their athlete being relegated to the line. I can hear the arguments already. Believe me, no mater where you put the limits, you will be revisiting these same issues in a few years.

I am not saying we need unlimited weights, I am saying change will not stop the complaining.

[OldCard]

It would have have been MUCH easier to go to one master schedule to see all the teams at once.

I agree that a correct schedule should have been available on the SYFA web site but another solution might have been to ask your director for a copy.

[Smashmouth#1]

I disagree with that and many others that I've talked to disagree too. The website is your doorway to the league. It should be a positive reflection of the league. I've already talked to our director about it and hope that the other directors will consider updating it.

I coached a c-squad team this year. I patched together schedules from the various sites I could find. We had games against teams from the same community (Springfield, Field, Ravenna, Cuyahoga Falls) and weren't sure whether it was two different teams or the same team twice. Since our community had two Tueday teams, we were looking to see if it was possible to switch up the schedule and not have to play the same team twice. It would have have been MUCH easier to go to one master schedule to see all the teams at once.

As far as schedules go, we got ours from our Director......they were also posted in the concession stand in case it got misplaced.

[Yappi]

I agree that a correct schedule should have been available on the SYFA web site but another solution might have been to ask your director for a copy.

Fair enough but I never considered that our director received the schedules for other teams. I just assumed that Sam was given a complete Tallmadge schedule and that was it. I know that we had 5-6 revisions leading up to the season that were posted on the TYF website as soon as they were submitted.

It's good to hear that the SYFA website will start being updated.

[GRPride86]

Stop acting like the league is in trouble. Ellet got caught and want to switch leagues so be it. They bring up weight yet their director voted down every weight increase every year. I do have the minutes if someone thinks this is false. Springfield is far from leaving. Yappi is not the league most people in the league could care less about this site. You guys continue to scare the 10 or 15 people that post here but understand the league will do the best for the kids as it has always done and most of the complainers will disappear in about 5 months. SYF is as strong as ever and if 1 or 2 teams leave we will get more teams and the kids will continue to have great experiences.


The word "emergency" is related to an additional meeting that is not already scheduled and I'm sure that anybody that read the post knew that. I'm not saying the league is in trouble and I haven't on any of these threads. And your comment about nobody cares about this website. Well, I know at least 5 directors and one SYFA president frequently post on here. And there are a ton of parents that read but do not write on here.


What cracks me up the most is that you just take for granted that you know what everybody is going to do in the next five months. Who's to say that people who don't have kids in the program anymore are just going to leave. Some are going to stay on as coaches, others may join the board since they are not coaching anymore. Believe me, if you think you have heard the last from alot of us, you are sadly mistaken. We are taking pride in how our high school program is shaping up and we want to make sure that it stays that way and it starts from 7 year old and up.

And the statement about Ellet got caught is a joke, they had a ton of stuff on Green also and it just got shoved to the side. So please don't act like you are squeeky clean.

The league needs both Ellet and Springfield to stay, but I can see where they have become frustrated with how things have been handled. All I am trying to say is show some of the people involved that the SYFA sees that people want some changes made and that they are trying to resolve the issues.

[thepolster]

Yappi,

The fact that the SYFA web site is rarely updated and has inaccurate information has been addressed in a recent meeting. The person that was being paid to handle the web site was not responding to requests.

Steps are being taken to correct this problem. Just as steps will be made to address the weight restrictions and other issues of the league.

Many people on these boards act like SYFA is ignoring the whole thing. There has been discussion in meetings since August that the weight restrictions must be adjusted. I believe that there will be change but think about it, there is no consensus here, how easy do you think it will be to make change for a 2,000 kid organization?

If you go to anything but total unlimited, there are always going to a group of kids that will not be allowed to play. I'm sure that every program has kids like some I have seen in Tallmadge. You know the kind, they have middle school or even high school size at age 12. I'm talking skill position kids, not linemen.

Most options I have seen would still preclude these kids from playing anywhere except the line. Now I know these parents would never complain about their athlete being relegated to the line. I can hear the arguments already. Believe me, no mater where you put the limits, you will be revisiting these same issues in a few years.

I am not saying we need unlimited weights, I am saying change will not stop the complaining.

Why does everyone say that the bigger kid can only play the line? He or she can play any position but advancing the ball. That means any position on defense. What would be the weight restriction for the skilled position anyway. Quit trying to use scare tactics. The mission is simple, let every kid play. No wonder this league is falling on its face.

[GRPride86]

Why does everyone say that the bigger kid can only play the line? He or she can play any position but advancing the ball. That means any position on defense. What would be the weight restriction for the skilled position anyway. Quit trying to use scare tactics. The mission is simple, let every kid play. No wonder this league is falling on its face.

Every suggestion that has been made about going to unlimted weight has stated that the skill positions would be limited to around 133 lbs. If I'm not mistaken, that's the current weight right now. So I agee with thepolster, the kids that played skill position last year, would probably still play there next year.

[Yappi]

I wanted to add that I think going to unlimited for C,B, and A and weight limits for JV and Varsity is misguided. Going unlimited at the youngest ages will add only a few new big players but the number of smaller players who will decide not to play will exceed that new group.

[brownandorange]

The word "emergency" is related to an additional meeting that is not already scheduled and I'm sure that anybody that read the post knew that. I'm not saying the league is in trouble and I haven't on any of these threads. And your comment about nobody cares about this website. Well, I know at least 5 directors and one SYFA president frequently post on here. And there are a ton of parents that read but do not write on here.


What cracks me up the most is that you just take for granted that you know what everybody is going to do in the next five months. Who's to say that people who don't have kids in the program anymore are just going to leave. Some are going to stay on as coaches, others may join the board since they are not coaching anymore. Believe me, if you think you have heard the last from alot of us, you are sadly mistaken. We are taking pride in how our high school program is shaping up and we want to make sure that it stays that way and it starts from 7 year old and up.

And the statement about Ellet got caught is a joke, they had a ton of stuff on Green also and it just got shoved to the side. So please don't act like you are squeeky clean.

The league needs both Ellet and Springfield to stay, but I can see where they have become frustrated with how things have been handled. All I am trying to say is show some of the people involved that the SYFA sees that people want some changes made and that they are trying to resolve the issues.

Thank you Pride, the fact that Green has always gotten away with things other teams are punished for is why I call it a dictatorship. I've heard this complaint from a lot of teams over the years. Why can't something be done about this. Maybe the league needs a formal meeting without Green in attendance.

[thepolster]

I think GRpride86 is some kind of mind reader. I got goose bumps.

[green pride]

The only complaint is we win. No one has ever brought any evidence that we have ever broke the rules. Your director brought a few names to one meeting and I showed him that all my kids were legal. Again I have one vote and the league is made up of 11 directors and 5 board members how is this a dictatorship. Keep making excuses for your screw up and just like my buddy from Tallmadge Green must cheat because they win every year, give us proof or shut up. Thank you Pride, the fact that Green has always gotten away with things other teams are punished for is why I call it a dictatorship. I've heard this complaint from a lot of teams over the years. Why can't something be done about this. Maybe the league needs a formal meeting without Green in attendance.

[GRPride86]

shut up.


I think those are the exact words used by the Head Commissioner to the Tallmadge Director when certain things were brought to light about some very fishy dealings this year

[local viewer]

As a mom, I hate getting involved with all these Man-ly discussions regarding suburban youth football but attention was drawn to the fact some people think that parents aren't reading these boards and parents with small kids are going to complain about weight increases. Well, first many ,many parents of youth kids read yappi. It is informative at times and at other times it is a humorous source of gossip and misinformation.

I can only speak for myself but I am interested in finding a resolution to the weight issue. My children have been on both ends of the weight spectrum. My older (bigger) son has played for 7 years and every year he was at top weight and starved the summer (by this I mean carefully watched diet- no McD, no junk, nothing that kids that age like to eat) and it continued the season through. Yes, at age 8, 9 and 10 losing the weight probably was needed because like me he would pack on extra weight through the winter and baseball at that age just doesn't burn the same calories as football. But, by age 11, 12, and then 13 he was just a bigger kid. By that I mean taller than most, nicely built for his size, not a whole lot of extra fat anywhere. This year he started conditioning at 142lbs and had to lose and maintain weight to play his last year. He ended up making weight 133 for every game but it was at sacrifice of his own birthday cake among other things.

Now at 13yrs old, many of you are probably thinking well if he is so big why didn't he play MS football? I'll tell you it was because, HE wanted to play with his friends for the first time in 5 yrs. Because of his weight he has played up since c-team. He really wanted to play with his buddies and this was his last chance to do it in youth because most of his friends stayed in youth. He could have went to MS and done well, no question about it. It was his decision to sacrifice and play youth, it would have been a heck of alot easier for us if he went to MS. That dedication hopefully could remind some you guys what youth football should be about.

My younger son on the other hand is rather on the small side. All his friends are bigger than him, most of the players on the other teams are bigger than him, heck, there were c-teamers bigger. At 10yrs old in full pads and helmet I think he was around 87lbs, but very short and stocky--like a brick wall. This kid started the season starting both ways on the line. At times he was double teamed by what I swore were 8th graders playing down they were so much bigger, but he held his ground for the play. I didn't often worry about him getting hurt against these bigger boys because of his size they couldn't get low enough on him and he would stand them up and knock them down.

Actually, I worried more about my older son getting hurt at varsity because they finally understand it at that age and plays can be very rough and intense. From what I have observed my 7 years involved with youth football, except for Varsity games, most of the kids are being injured in practice - not paying attention or coming to practice with a boo-boo from recess and making it worse.

Finally, my opinion of weight limits--- get rid of them. Small kids will learn to run faster, big kids will learn football. AND Parents will always complain about something.

[brownandorange]

The only complaint is we win. No one has ever brought any evidence that we have ever broke the rules. Your director brought a few names to one meeting and I showed him that all my kids were legal. Again I have one vote and the league is made up of 11 directors and 5 board members how is this a dictatorship. Keep making excuses for your screw up and just like my buddy from Tallmadge Green must cheat because they win every year, give us proof or shut up.

Show me one of my posts on here where I complained because Green wins.

[spartanmom12]

As a mom, I hate getting involved with all these Man-ly discussions regarding suburban youth football but attention was drawn to the fact some people think that parents aren't reading these boards and parents with small kids are going to complain about weight increases. Well, first many ,many parents of youth kids read yappi. It is informative at times and at other times it is a humorous source of gossip and misinformation.

I can only speak for myself but I am interested in finding a resolution to the weight issue. My children have been on both ends of the weight spectrum. My older (bigger) son has played for 7 years and every year he was at top weight and starved the summer (by this I mean carefully watched diet- no McD, no junk, nothing that kids that age like to eat) and it continued the season through. Yes, at age 8, 9 and 10 losing the weight probably was needed because like me he would pack on extra weight through the winter and baseball at that age just doesn't burn the same calories as football. But, by age 11, 12, and then 13 he was just a bigger kid. By that I mean taller than most, nicely built for his size, not a whole lot of extra fat anywhere. This year he started conditioning at 142lbs and had to lose and maintain weight to play his last year. He ended up making weight 133 for every game but it was at sacrifice of his own birthday cake among other things.

Now at 13yrs old, many of you are probably thinking well if he is so big why didn't he play MS football? I'll tell you it was because, HE wanted to play with his friends for the first time in 5 yrs. Because of his weight he has played up since c-team. He really wanted to play with his buddies and this was his last chance to do it in youth because most of his friends stayed in youth. He could have went to MS and done well, no question about it. It was his decision to sacrifice and play youth, it would have been a heck of alot easier for us if he went to MS. That dedication hopefully could remind some you guys what youth football should be about.

My younger son on the other hand is rather on the small side. All his friends are bigger than him, most of the players on the other teams are bigger than him, heck, there were c-teamers bigger. At 10yrs old in full pads and helmet I think he was around 87lbs, but very short and stocky--like a brick wall. This kid started the season starting both ways on the line. At times he was double teamed by what I swore were 8th graders playing down they were so much bigger, but he held his ground for the play. I didn't often worry about him getting hurt against these bigger boys because of his size they couldn't get low enough on him and he would stand them up and knock them down.

Actually, I worried more about my older son getting hurt at varsity because they finally understand it at that age and plays can be very rough and intense. From what I have observed my 7 years involved with youth football, except for Varsity games, most of the kids are being injured in practice - not paying attention or coming to practice with a boo-boo from recess and making it worse.

Finally, my opinion of weight limits--- get rid of them. Small kids will learn to run faster, big kids will learn football. AND Parents will always complain about something.

I hope he does well at the jr high next year. mrs f

[GRPride86]

I don't care what people say about you spartanmom, I like you.

[spartanmom12]

I don't care what people say about you spartanmom, I like you.

Well thank you grpride86. I m a very well respected individual here in Yappi
space. Some might call me a pioneer, but I am your plain jane housewife on a mission. Or am I? You also have a very cult like following "g---- p----". I usually refer someone like that the Yappi police, but I maybe getting them confused with GOD.

[Smashmouth#1]

Why does everyone say that the bigger kid can only play the line? He or she can play any position but advancing the ball. That means any position on defense. What would be the weight restriction for the skilled position anyway. Quit trying to use scare tactics. The mission is simple, let every kid play. No wonder this league is falling on its face.

Every suggestion that has been made about going to unlimted weight has stated that the skill positions would be limited to around 133 lbs. If I'm not mistaken, that's the current weight right now. So I agee with thepolster, the kids that played skill position last year, would probably still play there next year.

Actually, not every suggestion about going unlimited weight has included a provision to limit the kids that advance the ball. I dont like that idea, and here is why. What sense does it make for limiting a ball carriers weight but the linebacker can be 160 or whatever? You are setting up a kid for failure or injury by doing that.

Polster, a secondary goal of defense is to score, how can say a linebacker who is over the weight limit that intercepts a pass do that? True the offense, by that rule, could get the ball at the spot of the interception, but who's to say that the linebacker, if given the opportunity, couldn't run it back for a TD. What if the score is 8-7, and the linebacker intercepts it on the 1 yard line and nothing but green in front of him. The offense gets the ball, the defense blitzes and sacks the QB for a safety or worse there is a fumble and defense recovers for a TD. It could change the outcome of a game is my point.

[GRPride86]

What sense does it make for limiting a ball carriers weight but the linebacker can be 160 or whatever?

That's what is going to happen at the next level. Usually the defensive guy will out weigh the ball carriers.


What if the score is 8-7, and the linebacker intercepts it on the 1 yard line and nothing but green in front of him. The offense gets the ball, the defense blitzes and sacks the QB for a safety or worse there is a fumble and defense recovers for a TD. It could change the outcome of a game is my point.

This is a good point and basicly I don't have a good comeback.

[thepolster]

That's what is going to happen at the next level. Usually the defensive guy will out weigh the ball carriers.



This is a good point and basicly I don't have a good comeback.

I do have a comeback for that one. Sprindfield will not field a 7th or 8th grade varsity. So if you got a kid playing 6th grade @160 being a linbacker with any kind of skills good luck. Thats kind of finding a needle in a haystack.

[GRPride86]

I do have a comeback for that one. Sprindfield will not field a 7th or 8th grade varsity. So if you got a kid playing 6th grade @160 being a linbacker with any kind of skills good luck. Thats kind of finding a needle in a haystack.

Well I would love to see the youth league stop at 7th graders and make the 8th graders move up to Middle School..

This is how I see things happening for next year.

No changes in weight will take place except a 3 or 4 pound increase for JV and Varsity.

Tallmadge will field a Varsity team of only 7th graders next year because the rest of the 8th graders will play Middle School.

Springfield will field a Middle School team of 7th and 8th graders and not have a Varsity team next year in youth. By the way I think this will help the high school alot more than what is happening now.

Ellet will leave the league. Have a very successful year over in the new league.

No one will join our league to make up for their leaving.

Kent will barely have enough kids to have a JV or Varsity.

If Field has a Middle School team, they will loose a ton of kids to the Middle School because of the success of the high school this year.

And most people will be on Yappi again complaining that things need to change. But what do we know, the league has been in business for over 50 years and it did fine before us and it will do fine after us.


But wait.......The newbies that see the problems are not going to go gently into the night. They are going to get on the Boards of the league, Athletic Booster Clubs, get more involved with the high school and all that stuff you need to make programs evolve from good....to elite.

WE AIN'T GOING ANYWHERE!!!!!

[1badspartan]

Well I would love to see the youth league stop at 7th graders and make the 8th graders move up to Middle School..

This is how I see things happening for next year.

No changes in weight will take place except a 3 or 4 pound increase for JV and Varsity.

Tallmadge will field a Varsity team of only 7th graders next year because the rest of the 8th graders will play Middle School.

Springfield will field a Middle School team of 7th and 8th graders and not have a Varsity team next year in youth. By the way I think this will help the high school alot more than what is happening now.

Ellet will leave the league. Have a very successful year over in the new league.

No one will join our league to make up for their leaving.

Kent will barely have enough kids to have a JV or Varsity.

If Field has a Middle School team, they will loose a ton of kids to the Middle School because of the success of the high school this year.

And most people will be on Yappi again complaining that things need to change. But what do we know, the league has been in business for over 50 years and it did fine before us and it will do fine after us.


But wait.......The newbies that see the problems are not going to go gently into the night. They are going to get on the Boards of the league, Athletic Booster Clubs, get more involved with the high school and all that stuff you need to make programs evolve from good....to elite.

WE AIN'T GOING ANYWHERE!!!!!

I think I need to visit Kent and Fields Forums. I'll see you there......

[Smashmouth#1]

I do have a comeback for that one. Sprindfield will not field a 7th or 8th grade varsity. So if you got a kid playing 6th grade @160 being a linbacker with any kind of skills good luck. Thats kind of finding a needle in a haystack.

What? That's a statement. Not a very good solution. I was using 160 as a number out of the air to simplify an example. My point is why limit a ball carrier or stop a major momentum swing with a goofy rule? It could severly impact the game itself.

[SPARTICUS8]

For all those people out there saying Springfield is going to the BYF, that is news to me. I know the director of SYF personally, and he has yet to be contacted by the BYF to move, or is planing to move to another group. SYF has been going strong for years because it is about kids, not over eager people that always want to be in someones position. My suggestion is if all those people want to be a part of something there are many days you could help at the fields doing just 1 of the many things it takes to make a program successful (SYF) instead of always running people down. All opinions are valuable, and just because people don't always get on here and keyboard argue we still can read!!!!

[Smashmouth#1]

For all those people out there saying Springfield is going to the BYF, that is news to me. I know the director of SYF personally, and he has yet to be contacted by the BYF to move, or is planing to move to another group. SYF has been going strong for years because it is about kids, not over eager people that always want to be in someones position. My suggestion is if all those people want to be a part of something there are many days you could help at the fields doing just 1 of the many things it takes to make a program successful (SYF) instead of always running people down. All opinions are valuable, and just because people don't always get on here and keyboard argue we still can read!!!!


VERY WELL SAID.]
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[1badspartan]

For all those people out there saying Springfield is going to the BYF, that is news to me. I know the director of SYF personally, and he has yet to be contacted by the BYF to move, or is planing to move to another group. SYF has been going strong for years because it is about kids, not over eager people that always want to be in someones position. My suggestion is if all those people want to be a part of something there are many days you could help at the fields doing just 1 of the many things it takes to make a program successful (SYF) instead of always running people down. All opinions are valuable, and just because people don't always get on here and keyboard argue we still can read!!!!
I guess you or your director are in the blind. This type of organization takes more than a couple of buddys getting together getting smashed at the bowling alley. This move is bigger than you and your peewee league. Open your eyes to the new generation of byfl football. You can pretty much take this as a 30 day eviction notice. You can only hold mamas hand so long before you join the big boys. If the parents cant let go then keep little johnny home with his sister.

[Irish87]

Having a drink or two with your wife and close friends, in a co-ed Bowling League, every other Saturday night has absolutely nothing to do with Youth Football. Please stick to the facts about what is going on in the League, and leave peoples personal lives and preferences for entertainment, out of the conversation. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, there are a few BYF supporters who partake in this same type of entertainment, on the same nights in the same establishment. Please, stick to the topic.

[Irish87]

...and to add to that, people in Springfield are in the blind, because nobody is talking about it to the Public. I've been trying to get information, meeting dates and times, but have not had any luck yet. There are also a few of my friends interested in whats going on. Bring this to the front. Let the people know what is going on. If the new Director will not listen, maybe the the parents will.

[SPARTICUS8]

wow 30 days ????? Seems to me you have ofacts!!!! As far as a few buddies getting together for drinks on their time is up to them, I personally do not drink (maybe on a holiday with family) and do not frequent this so called buddy gathering place. Personal attacks are not required to be a member of yappy. And by the way the new director is listening and there are actions in place to try to make everyone as happy as possible. Irish87 I would like to thank you for your positivity and commitment to SYF.:shrug: The new director does has meetings set up with real people that matter and have the ability to make proper decisions. this is not saying that you nice people are not real people, just some may not have the authority to make some of the statements being made.

[GRPride86]

You also have a very cult like following "g---- p----".

All I can say to that is, you may want to think twice about if I offer you any KoolAid.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[spartanmom12]

I heard that there was a BYF meeting last night. Does anyone have a clue what new teams have showed up and how many they have now? I heard springfield had a couple of reps there. Come on and fill us in somebody!

[green pride]

Sorry mom it looks like Ellet and Springfield are staying in the SYFL. Both directors were at the SYF meeting and are committed to the league. We are looking at everyones concerns and will act on the weight and age issue very soon. The BYF meeting was canceled.
I heard that there was a BYF meeting last night. Does anyone have a clue what new teams have showed up and how many they have now? I heard springfield had a couple of reps there. Come on and fill us in somebody!

[GRPride86]

I heard that there was a BYF meeting last night. Does anyone have a clue what new teams have showed up and how many they have now? I heard springfield had a couple of reps there. Come on and fill us in somebody!

I heard that same thing from one of my realitives. He said that two teams from the SYFA were in attendance. Don't know any details though.

[green pride]

Springfield was supposed to be their but it was cancelled. We had a directors meeting yesterday and all the directors were their except Rav and Kent and they were not at a BYF meeting. I love how the gossip on this site becomes fact. We are also going to have the new web site up and hopefully all the minutes will be posted so everyone can stop quessing on what went on at the meetings. I heard that same thing from one of my realitives. He said that two teams from the SYFA were in attendance. Don't know any details though.

[thepolster]

Green Pride, Do you know for sure there wasn't a meeting W/BYFL? What's your motive?

[SPARTICUS8]

There may have been a BYF meeting, but the directors of each Suburban team was there minus 2. The funny thing is none of these people are in power in the SYF so how do they have all the answers? Are any of them board members or Directors??????? BYF is totally separate from SYFL, they may be able to start league, doesn't mean it will be successful. I will have more corrected knowledge as of 5:00 tomorrow.

[GRPride86]

We had a directors meeting yesterday and all the directors were their except Rav and Kent and they were not at a BYF meeting.

I don't think anybody said anything about "directors" being at the other meeting. I think what "spartanmom" said was "representatives", and that's what I heard, nothing more, nothing less.

[spartanmom12]

I don't think anybody said anything about "directors" being at the other meeting. I think what "spartanmom" said was "representatives", and that's what I heard, nothing more, nothing less.

Man you are a mind reader. Let me ask you about the syfl. How long before they run out of teams to play in there league. I will put my money on your answer.

And if Springfield does go byf will the syf play on the same fields.

I am waiting your answer.

[spartanmom12]

There may have been a BYF meeting, but the directors of each Suburban team was there minus 2. The funny thing is none of these people are in power in the SYF so how do they have all the answers? Are any of them board members or Directors??????? BYF is totally separate from SYFL, they may be able to start league, doesn't mean it will be successful. I will have more corrected knowledge as of 5:00 tomorrow.

I guess the high school coach doesnt mean anything. Why do you people keep bringing up the director? It really doesnt matter what happens, the league has changed because of me an my hard work. No other reason can be made. After these teams defect I will return to the yappi and recruit manchester, field, and kent.

[GRPride86]

Man you are a mind reader. Let me ask you about the syfl. How long before they run out of teams to play in there league. I will put my money on your answer.

I really don't know. I think that it would really depend on how other communities, such as Ellet, felt about the other league after being in it for a couple of years. So to be honest, I wouldn't have a clue.:shrug:

Now, I'm not saying that this happened or it is going to happen, but hypathetically speaking, Coach Vass is respected enough in this community, that if he sat down and talked to the present leadership of Tallmadge Youth Football and told them that he thought that the program needed to go into another direction, it would probably happen.

[spartanmom12]

thank you for your wisdom. grpride86

[Buckeye29]

Wow, can't we all just get along? As for syf being a "great" league all I can do is offer my own experience with the schedules. My step-son played for Cuyahoga Falls A-team this year and they had only 7 games. Of those 7 games they played the same Tallmadge A-team three times and the same Stow A-team twice. Five games against the same two teams. This just seams dumb. Where's the competition? I also know that a few years ago a new team did join syf (Rootstown) and they were given nothing but a hard time. I do realize that they broke a few rules, or maybe just didn't pay attention to them, but they were a brand new organization just starting out. I know our former director got all bent out of shape because their JV came into Springfield and kicked our a__. Instead of taking it like a man he complained to everyone he could and went on a mission to get them kicked out of the league. What happened? Our flag teams, our tuesday C-team, and our B-team all missed out on one game. That's probably 80 to 90 kids that had one fewer games that year because a couple of grown men wanted to have a little p______ contest. My point being, if a new team wants to join, help them along. As for teams leaving, I guess we'll know next year. What I do know is that syf can't really aford to lose any teams or all the teams will be playing each other 2 to 3 times a year.

[Smashmouth#1]

Ya know I just got some inside information that all of the Akron City Youth Programs, Cleveland City Programs, Columbus City Programs, All the Wadsworth league, the Cleveland Indians, The Youngstown State Penguins, The Columbus Blue Jackets, and the Eastern Mississippi Black Turtlesocks all just signed up for This new Buckeye League......they just bought each team their own jet to make it too all of the games.....all games will be played in NFL stadiums.....the BYFL just signed a deal to have first dibbs on them on Sundays.....now all 1:00 NFL games will be moved to 3:30 and all 4:00 games will be played on Tuesdays at 4:30 am. Anyone heard any other great info like this?

[Irish87]

Why do you people keep bringing up the director? It really doesnt matter what happens, the league has changed because of me an my hard work. No other reason can be made. After these teams defect I will return to the yappi and recruit manchester, field, and kent.

Comments and beliefs like this, are what caused the current SSYF Program to begin a downward turn. The previous Director had the same mentality, my way or the highway. If you are a promoter of the BYF League, and I think you are, Springfield will fail in the BYF also. People need to stop with the "me, me, me" and start recognizing all the people who help the League. I'm fairly sure you were not the only person to show your support of another League.

And another thing, what changes have happened? I have not seen any concrete evidence of any changes to Springfield Youth Football, only rumors and speculation. If you have facts and evidence of any changes, please enlighten us to your wisdom.

[green pride]

Lets get one thing straight. SYF plays real football, football kids will play in high school. BYF there is no blitzing, you can only have 8 players in the box on def. safety is 7 yards back, no kick offs. You have to line up head up on def. and they only practice 3 days a week. I am sorry but games are nice for the parents but kids learn in practice and how are we teaching this big kid to be a lineman if he doesnt have to worry about blitzing and gaps or stunts.

I have seen some of there rules and wow if this is real football then I might take up soccer. SYF will change weights and will listen to concerns of the different groups but dont be confused by a couple of upset people that didnt get their own way. If you look at their comments they dont care what changes SYF is going to make they still want to tear down their present organization and the league.

[green pride]

My prediction you will play with BYF next year but probably at Green because Springfield will stay in the SYFL and after you kid is done in youth he will never play high school football again because you wont be able to bully the high school. I watched several people start BYF claiming they are feeding the high school and after 3 years their own kids are not going to play high school football. Good luck mom and if you want some cool orange and black apparel Got Game and Custom Stitch in Green have a good selection.

Comments and beliefs like this, are what caused the current SSYF Program to begin a downward turn. The previous Director had the same mentality, my way or the highway. If you are a promoter of the BYF League, and I think you are, Springfield will fail in the BYF also. People need to stop with the "me, me, me" and start recognizing all the people who help the League. I'm fairly sure you were not the only person to show your support of another League.

And another thing, what changes have happened? I have not seen any concrete evidence of any changes to Springfield Youth Football, only rumors and speculation. If you have facts and evidence of any changes, please enlighten us to your wisdom.

[green pride]

Sorry Irish this message is for my favorite mom in springfield.

[green pride]

Byf played 5 games and 2 were reveve 2 northwest one was the other geen team much better choice.

Wow, can't we all just get along? As for syf being a "great" league all I can do is offer my own experience with the schedules. My step-son played for Cuyahoga Falls A-team this year and they had only 7 games. Of those 7 games they played the same Tallmadge A-team three times and the same Stow A-team twice. Five games against the same two teams. This just seams dumb. Where's the competition? I also know that a few years ago a new team did join syf (Rootstown) and they were given nothing but a hard time. I do realize that they broke a few rules, or maybe just didn't pay attention to them, but they were a brand new organization just starting out. I know our former director got all bent out of shape because their JV came into Springfield and kicked our a__. Instead of taking it like a man he complained to everyone he could and went on a mission to get them kicked out of the league. What happened? Our flag teams, our tuesday C-team, and our B-team all missed out on one game. That's probably 80 to 90 kids that had one fewer games that year because a couple of grown men wanted to have a little p______ contest. My point being, if a new team wants to join, help them along. As for teams leaving, I guess we'll know next year. What I do know is that syf can't really aford to lose any teams or all the teams will be playing each other 2 to 3 times a year.

[dfan1]

does anyone ever work anymore

[1badspartan]

There may have been a BYF meeting, but the directors of each Suburban team was there minus 2. The funny thing is none of these people are in power in the SYF so how do they have all the answers? Are any of them board members or Directors??????? BYF is totally separate from SYFL, they may be able to start league, doesn't mean it will be successful. I will have more corrected knowledge as of 5:00 tomorrow.

Its 7:00 and I havn't heard a word. Did it go as planned? :rolleyes:

[greendad]

Lets get one thing straight. SYF plays real football, football kids will play in high school. BYF there is no blitzing, you can only have 8 players in the box on def. safety is 7 yards back, no kick offs. You have to line up head up on def. and they only practice 3 days a week. I am sorry but games are nice for the parents but kids learn in practice and how are we teaching this big kid to be a lineman if he doesnt have to worry about blitzing and gaps or stunts.

I have seen some of there rules and wow if this is real football then I might take up soccer. SYF will change weights and will listen to concerns of the different groups but dont be confused by a couple of upset people that didnt get their own way. If you look at their comments they dont care what changes SYF is going to make they still want to tear down their present organization and the league.

green pride, you are always talking about other people bad mouthing, trying to tear down the league, complaining and back stabbing. But reading your posts, you are one of the worst offenders. you are always slamming byf or anyone that rubs you a bit wrong.

you keep saying gyf did great, and they did. so why do you feel the need to bad mouth byf, and adding to fuel the fire? do you feel threatened over there? I didnt know about byf's b-teams season, but i know A varsity and JV had a respectable yr. seeing how we played some of the toughest football towns around. those north canton and massilon towns dont have weight limit teams. all their youth football fire power goes into their black stripe teams. so dont tell me about "real football"

some of the chicken----- rules like no kick offs ( middle school doesnt either)
no blitzing ( except on 4th down or inside the 10 i believe) I dont particularly agree with. but dont kid yourself gyf director, there are some big strong boys doing some big time hitting on the byf varsity A squad. :stirthepot:

[Buckeye29]

Byf played 5 games and 2 were reveve 2 northwest one was the other geen team much better choice.

I never claimed it was a better choice. I was just stating what went on with my stepson's team this year and that I didn't think that syf could afford to lose any teams, or chase off any new ones that might want to join them.:wallbang:

[Buckeye29]

Lets get one thing straight. SYF plays real football, football kids will play in high school. BYF there is no blitzing, you can only have 8 players in the box on def. safety is 7 yards back, no kick offs. You have to line up head up on def. and they only practice 3 days a week. I am sorry but games are nice for the parents but kids learn in practice and how are we teaching this big kid to be a lineman if he doesnt have to worry about blitzing and gaps or stunts.

I have seen some of there rules and wow if this is real football then I might take up soccer. SYF will change weights and will listen to concerns of the different groups but dont be confused by a couple of upset people that didnt get their own way. If you look at their comments they dont care what changes SYF is going to make they still want to tear down their present organization and the league.

Yeah, you're right, it's much better to teach the big kids to play a tuba and march in the band than to teach them to hit and block staight up. Very weak argument! At least they get to play some sort of football.

[Buckeye29]

Maybe soccer is a better choice for you!

[Smashmouth#1]

I never claimed it was a better choice. I was just stating what went on with my stepson's team this year and that I didn't think that syf could afford to lose any teams, or chase off any new ones that might want to join them.:wallbang:

Now that was the Monday A-team correct? I work with one of the coaches from that team. If I remember correctly, I think that team may have been added late, thus the reason for the kinda goofy schedule. Cuyahoga Falls is also a Div. 1 team, they play the other Division 1 teams, starting with the other Monday A teams that were in the league this year...........I may be off, so correct me if I am wrong......not an excuse, just what happenned if I have it correctly.

[Smashmouth#1]

Yeah, you're right, it's much better to teach the big kids to play a tuba and march in the band than to teach them to hit and block staight up. Very weak argument! At least they get to play some sort of football.

Actually, you probably could teach a Tuba to block straight up....a true test of a good lineman is when the defense can actually stunt. Flag is some sort of football too, and there really is no blocking in that version. The SYF realizes that there needs to be changes made. Let them make the changes that need to make......

[greendad]

Actually, you probably could teach a Tuba to block straight up....a true test of a good lineman is when the defense can actually stunt. Flag is some sort of football too, and there really is no blocking in that version. The SYF realizes that there needs to be changes made. Let them make the changes that need to make......

you think that the NC and massillon perry teams didnt stunt? :rolleyes:

[Buckeye29]

Actually, you probably could teach a Tuba to block straight up....a true test of a good lineman is when the defense can actually stunt. Flag is some sort of football too, and there really is no blocking in that version. The SYF realizes that there needs to be changes made. Let them make the changes that need to make......

That's true Smashmouth. I'm not saying that I'm a big advocate for the black stripe league. I just don't think it's fair that the bigger kids can't play ball. As of now, that's how syf is set up. I hope they do make changes and go to unlimited weight. I've coached for a lot of years and teaching young kids to block and hold their blocks is the hardest thing I think. It's a kids nature to hit their guy once and look for the play. If you can teach linemen basic fundamentals the rest will come in middle school and high school. As for flag, yeah it's better than sitting in front of a video game wouldn't you say?

[greendad]

It really... really looks like you syfl guys are running scared. take it easy, your league isnt going anywhere. make some REAL changes and if one or two teams leave, just round up a couple to replace them. if you make some good moves they will come.
quit fueling the fire, these boys need to get along, not fight amongst themselves. same goes for their parents and coaches.

[Smashmouth#1]

That's true Smashmouth. I'm not saying that I'm a big advocate for the black stripe league. I just don't think it's fair that the bigger kids can't play ball. As of now, that's how syf is set up. I hope they do make changes and go to unlimited weight. I've coached for a lot of years and teaching young kids to block and hold their blocks is the hardest thing I think. It's a kids nature to hit their guy once and look for the play. If you can teach linemen basic fundamentals the rest will come in middle school and high school. As for flag, yeah it's better than sitting in front of a video game wouldn't you say?

I'd agree as far as the bigger kids go.....I'm sure that there are going to be adjustments to the weight limits. And I can agree with you on teaching a kid to sustain a block, you have to remind them over and over and over....I dont know how many times I or one of my assisstants said "Block until the whistle blows"....they eventually get it, but you must keep after them.
Flag is better than nothing, but so is Soccer.....but it still doesn't teach blocking and tackling fundamentals. If a parent is too soft too make their kid get up off of their rear and make them go outside and get some physical exercise than that parent is setting their child up for failure.

[Smashmouth#1]

It really... really looks like you syfl guys are running scared. take it easy, your league isnt going anywhere. make some REAL changes and if one or two teams leave, just round up a couple to replace them. if you make some good moves they will come.
quit fueling the fire, these boys need to get along, not fight amongst themselves. same goes for their parents and coaches.

I'm not running anywhere there buddy. I know that our league isnt going anywhere.....and there are some changes being made for the better......there are numerous teams that want into our league no matter what happens in the current system because the SYF is one of the best leagues around....
I'm not fueling any fire, but like I said before, I WONT stand by and allow wrongs to take place. If you stand on the sidelines and allow things to happen then you might as well be one of the ones doing it...........like an accessory to murder......ok that's a bit extreme but it s the first analogy that comes to mind. The boys do get along, I work very hard so the younger ones dont see the ugly side of things that are taking place....
If this organization wasnt attacked by rumors, lies, deceit, and all out BS by another organization I wouldnt need to stand up, now would I?

[Smashmouth#1]

That's true Smashmouth. I'm not saying that I'm a big advocate for the black stripe league. I just don't think it's fair that the bigger kids can't play ball. As of now, that's how syf is set up. I hope they do make changes and go to unlimited weight. I've coached for a lot of years and teaching young kids to block and hold their blocks is the hardest thing I think. It's a kids nature to hit their guy once and look for the play. If you can teach linemen basic fundamentals the rest will come in middle school and high school. As for flag, yeah it's better than sitting in front of a video game wouldn't you say?

And you definitely sound like an advocate for the black stripe league over on the Falls link. Can you make up your mind. Thanks.

[Buckeye29]

You got me wrong. My point on the Falls link was that they have enough kids in the Falls to feed at least two leagues. I know kids that played for their JV that didn't get hardly any playing time because they had like 35 kids on the team. I just want to see all kids, big and small, get a chance to play the greatest sport ever. It has always bothered me to go see a Springfield High School game and see them struggle on the field then they march out a huge band to play at halftime. I look at the size of some of those kids and I wonder, "Why aren't those kids on the football team?" Maybe they are just big, soft kids, but maybe they just never had a chance to play because they were too big. That's all I'm saying. I just hope whatever is done it's right by the kids, ALL THE KIDS, BIG & SMALL!!!

[Smashmouth#1]

You got me wrong. My point on the Falls link was that they have enough kids in the Falls to feed at least two leagues. I know kids that played for their JV that didn't get hardly any playing time because they had like 35 kids on the team. I just want to see all kids, big and small, get a chance to play the greatest sport ever. It has always bothered me to go see a Springfield High School game and see them struggle on the field then they march out a huge band to play at halftime. I look at the size of some of those kids and I wonder, "Why aren't those kids on the football team?" Maybe they are just big, soft kids, but maybe they just never had a chance to play because they were too big. That's all I'm saying. I just hope whatever is done it's right by the kids, ALL THE KIDS, BIG & SMALL!!!

At least we can agree that we need to do whats right by the kids. That's definitely the truth. Parents is what makes this an ugly situation.
You arent thinking of the unintended consiquenses by having 2 leagues in one town though. You need to consider that.

[Buckeye29]

I'm not sure that would happen all over like it did in Green. Look at baseball, every community has its little league and an abundance of travel teams and I don't see a lot of crap. If the two leagues could work together and not against each other it could work fine. The guys in Green just didn't have that luxury I don't think.

[Buckeye29]

I agree, it's the people that just want to show up some one that they don't care for that makes it ugly. That's not my game. If they want to get to some one they don't like maybe they should just toilet paper their house or something and leave the youth football to the guys who are really in it for the kids!

[Smashmouth#1]

I'm not sure that would happen all over like it did in Green. Look at baseball, every community has its little league and an abundance of travel teams and I don't see a lot of crap. If the two leagues could work together and not against each other it could work fine. The guys in Green just didn't have that luxury I don't think.

Baseball has one league....different teams..............And there is a lot of crap in the travel teams.........it also costs a lot of money.........some people are automatically ruled out due to that fact.
As far as us Green guys, it was all backstabbing and politics. He couldn't have it all his way, He couldn't do it in the North Canton league either, that's why they started their own league, where they would have all of the power. It wasn't about the kids, it was an ego trip. And it still is. He couldn't take out GYF......and he's envious of the leagues success, so now he's trying to take all of the teams from the SYF and get them into this new league.

[Ellet_32]

Sorry mom it looks like Ellet and Springfield are staying in the SYFL. Both directors were at the SYF meeting and are committed to the league. We are looking at everyones concerns and will act on the weight and age issue very soon. The BYF meeting was canceled.

Actually The BYFC meeting was held the same night and time as the syf meeting. It was at Green High School in the cafeteria. Did you really get that committed feeling?

[Smashmouth#1]

Actually The BYFC meeting was held the same night and time as the syf meeting. It was at Green High School in the cafeteria. Did you really get that committed feeling?

So are you saying that Gable is lying?

[Ellet_32]

So are you saying that Gable is lying?

Lying about what?

[Smashmouth#1]

about staying in the SYF...........that's my understanding. Just looking for clarification.

[Ellet_32]

Were you at the syf meeting?

[Smashmouth#1]

No, I got it second hand.
I answered your question, now you can answer mine.

[Ellet_32]

No, I got it second hand.
I answered your question, now you can answer mine.

Well I was not at the syf meeting either and I have not talked to him or to our assistant director who was also there. I was at the BYFC meeting per his request representing Ellet. That's all I know. I will try and find out tomorrow for you.

[Smashmouth#1]

sounds like someone's playing both sides of the fence.

OK............

[GRPride86]

And before you ask,

I know NNNOOOOTTTHHIIINNNGGG!!


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[Irish87]

You got me wrong. My point on the Falls link was that they have enough kids in the Falls to feed at least two leagues. I know kids that played for their JV that didn't get hardly any playing time because they had like 35 kids on the team. I just want to see all kids, big and small, get a chance to play the greatest sport ever. It has always bothered me to go see a Springfield High School game and see them struggle on the field then they march out a huge band to play at halftime. I look at the size of some of those kids and I wonder, "Why aren't those kids on the football team?" Maybe they are just big, soft kids, but maybe they just never had a chance to play because they were too big. That's all I'm saying. I just hope whatever is done it's right by the kids, ALL THE KIDS, BIG & SMALL!!!

Buckeye,

the High Schools Football Teams failures over the years, have not been because of the Youth Program. Now you know, I have been close to the HS Football program over the last 5 years, and I can tell you, there are other problems with this team, than the SSYF. It all starts with the kids upbringing. It just so happens, the players over the last 4 years have had absolutely no structure or discipline in their lives. There were many, many kids on that team, who went through the Youth program, and did just fine. In fact, many of those teams made the Youth Playoffs and went on to win their Conferences in Middle School and Freshman Leagues(back in the ole NBC). Once they entered H.S. it was a totally different ballgame. Many could not keep grades, many quit cuz they didn't like the new Coach and a few got into trouble with the Law and drugs. They also hired a 23 year old Head Coach with absolutely zero HC experience and not to mention the lack of support the previous AD was giving. SSYF has done a pretty good job of feeding the HS, well coached, athletic kids. IMO, the HS and the kids' Parents have done a poor job keeping these kids in the Program and keeping them out of trouble.

I'm just sick of people in our Community trying to blame the Youth organization for the HS Teams failures. I have been close the HS Team and have seen what goes on, and trust me, if you saw it, you wouldn't believe your ears and/or eyes.

Now, moving on, I believe they have the right man for the job up there now. Problem is, its going to take more than 2 or 3 years to turn it around. I'm not sure Coach "I" will stick around long enough to help this program back on track. I also don't think a new League will make that big a difference, but, I guess its worth a shot.

[Smashmouth#1]

Now, moving on, I believe they have the right man for the job up there now. Problem is, its going to take more than 2 or 3 years to turn it around. I'm not sure Coach "I" will stick around long enough to help this program back on track. I also don't think a new League will make that big a difference, but, I guess its worth a shot.

So what are you saying? Dump the SYF? You seemed to be one of the biggest advocates for the SYF........now it's worth a shot? I guess I dont understand. What about the upcoming changes that are being made to accomidate the bigger kids? Are you talking about 2 leagues in Springfield or 1?

[Irish87]

So what are you saying? Dump the SYF? You seemed to be one of the biggest advocates for the SYF........now it's worth a shot? I guess I dont understand. What about the upcoming changes that are being made to accomidate the bigger kids? Are you talking about 2 leagues in Springfield or 1?

I have always been an advocate of the SFY, but it doesn't hurt hearing out what other options there are. Unfortunately, I have not been informed officially, what the future plans are, so I'm kinda in the blue here. I can tell you this, I was not happy how things were handled at the end of last years season, and am not sure SSYF is headed in the right direction. But who am I, I guess just an ordinary Assistant Varsity coach, who has volunteered thousands of hours coaching, cleaning, setting up, tearing down, developing good football players and winning football games.

The weight thing has never been an issue with me. I am fine with the way it is, and, I could support weight changes. I am just sick of the backstabbing, rumors and ashkissing that has gone on in the past.

To answer your other question, I highly doubt there will be 2 Leagues in Springfield next year. Not enough kids interested yet. Now, in a year or two, with some major changes and the right kind of Marketing to the Township, I think the kids of Springfield will start showing their faces on the football field, and there will be enough for 2 Leagues.

If people want to accuse me of "playing both sides of the fence" then thats fine, but until I hear more information about the direction of the current League, and the BYF League, I will reamain, as I like to call it, "neutral".

[Smashmouth#1]

I have always been an advocate of the SFY, but it doesn't hurt hearing out what other options there are. Unfortunately, I have not been informed officially, what the future plans are, so I'm kinda in the blue here. I can tell you this, I was not happy how things were handled at the end of last years season, and am not sure SSYF is headed in the right direction. But who am I, I guess just an ordinary Assistant Varsity coach, who has volunteered thousands of hours coaching, cleaning, setting up, tearing down, developing good football players and winning football games.

The weight thing has never been an issue with me. I am fine with the way it is, and, I could support weight changes. I am just sick of the backstabbing, rumors and ashkissing that has gone on in the past.

To answer your other question, I highly doubt there will be 2 Leagues in Springfield next year. Not enough kids interested yet. Now, in a year or two, with some major changes and the right kind of Marketing to the Township, I think the kids of Springfield will start showing their faces on the football field, and there will be enough for 2 Leagues.

If people want to accuse me of "playing both sides of the fence" then thats fine, but until I hear more information about the direction of the current League, and the BYF League, I will reamain, as I like to call it, "neutral".

I can understand your frustrations there....especially since you are heavily involved in your organization. And I appreciate your honesty there; I wouldn't say that you are playing both sides of the fence here.....you are trying to make an informed decision.........I did the same thing with the leagues when I came to Green. I called both Directors and asked some straightfoward questions, and got answers; well from one organization anyway, I got the runaround from the other. I talked to people and then made a choice.
There's issues here that should be considered before jumping ship, or starting a second organization........

[GRPride86]

What about the upcoming changes that are being made to accomidate the bigger kids?

What changes are being discussed?

[Smashmouth#1]

What changes are being discussed?

As I understand it, the issues that have been discussed on here.

[GRPride86]

Do you have any specifics on weight limits, like we have discussed or are they just throwing the idea around to get a feel from the other directors?

[Smashmouth#1]

Do you have any specifics on weight limits, like we have discussed or are they just throwing the idea around to get a feel from the other directors?

Nothing yet as far as specifics, that I know of...........and I dont want to speculate on what they are going to do....because I dont know.........all I know is that there are discussions to make the SYF a better place for all kids......which is what we all want........or at least we all should want.

[Buckeye29]

Buckeye,

the High Schools Football Teams failures over the years, have not been because of the Youth Program. Now you know, I have been close to the HS Football program over the last 5 years, and I can tell you, there are other problems with this team, than the SSYF. It all starts with the kids upbringing. It just so happens, the players over the last 4 years have had absolutely no structure or discipline in their lives. There were many, many kids on that team, who went through the Youth program, and did just fine. In fact, many of those teams made the Youth Playoffs and went on to win their Conferences in Middle School and Freshman Leagues(back in the ole NBC). Once they entered H.S. it was a totally different ballgame. Many could not keep grades, many quit cuz they didn't like the new Coach and a few got into trouble with the Law and drugs. They also hired a 23 year old Head Coach with absolutely zero HC experience and not to mention the lack of support the previous AD was giving. SSYF has done a pretty good job of feeding the HS, well coached, athletic kids. IMO, the HS and the kids' Parents have done a poor job keeping these kids in the Program and keeping them out of trouble.

I'm just sick of people in our Community trying to blame the Youth organization for the HS Teams failures. I have been close the HS Team and have seen what goes on, and trust me, if you saw it, you wouldn't believe your ears and/or eyes.

Now, moving on, I believe they have the right man for the job up there now. Problem is, its going to take more than 2 or 3 years to turn it around. I'm not sure Coach "I" will stick around long enough to help this program back on track. I also don't think a new League will make that big a difference, but, I guess its worth a shot.

If I came off like I was blaming ssyf for the high school's problems I appologize. I know the youth league is not the problem. I just think the bigger kids should get a chance to play. I mean people have been talking about teaching linemen to pick up stunting linebackers and the such--who the h___ knows that just because a kid plays on the line in youth that he's going to play line in high school? When I played youth ball for springfield I played line, but in high school I played slot back in a run-&-shoot offense. I know that's a little off on a tangent Irish, sorry. I think we both want the same thing---A BETTER SITUATION FOR OUR KIDS. Believe me, I felt sorry for your older son, I watched him get his butt kicked over and over because he had no blocking when he played. I thought he was a pretty good QB, but even Montana needed blocking! You're a good dude and are good for the program--even though we haven't always seen eye-to-eye on everthing--so keep up the good fight! I do think that the ideal situation is for syf to go to unlimited weight. Then we can get all our 150# girls on the varsity to kick everyones butts. HA, HA, HA,

As for as the parents in the township, I agree with you 100%. There are a lot of really good parents, but I do think there are a lot more bad parents in Springfield than in other places. I walked into Giant Eagle the other day and I thought I time warped straight into West Virginia. These kids need more structure and consequences when they do screw up! It's a lot different than when we played. I would have never thought about mouthing off to a coach or a teacher, now it's an every day occurance. How do we fix it????

[spartanmom12]

There may have been a BYF meeting, but the directors of each Suburban team was there minus 2. The funny thing is none of these people are in power in the SYF so how do they have all the answers? Are any of them board members or Directors??????? BYF is totally separate from SYFL, they may be able to start league, doesn't mean it will be successful. I will have more corrected knowledge as of 5:00 tomorrow.

Hey its two days later and We are still waiting for your facts.

[Smashmouth#1]

Wait a minute...........I think that this got edited.......ok maybe I was being a little sassy, but what the Heck here?????????

[SPARTICUS8]

Went to a meeting with school officials, listened to their concerns. Any changes made in the system, not as of now. As people like Irish 87 their are other people involved and as soon as I have some good news you will be the second or third ect.. to know, that seems to be the pipeline.

[1badspartan]

Went to a meeting with school officials, listened to their concerns. Any changes made in the system, not as of now. As people like Irish 87 their are other people involved and as soon as I have some good news you will be the second or third ect.. to know, that seems to be the pipeline.

What did the school officials wan't?

Do you think SYFL will meet the demands of the school officials?

Whats the future of SYF?

Springfield football is finally coming together from TOP TO BOTTOM!

[green1965champs]

What did the school officials wan't?

Do you think SYFL will meet the demands of the school officials?

Whats the future of SYF?

Springfield football is finally coming together from TOP TO BOTTOM!


What about ELLET? Tallmage?

[Young Spartan Nation]

Buckeye,

the High Schools Football Teams failures over the years, have not been because of the Youth Program. Now you know, I have been close to the HS Football program over the last 5 years, and I can tell you, there are other problems with this team, than the SSYF. It all starts with the kids upbringing. It just so happens, the players over the last 4 years have had absolutely no structure or discipline in their lives. There were many, many kids on that team, who went through the Youth program, and did just fine. In fact, many of those teams made the Youth Playoffs and went on to win their Conferences in Middle School and Freshman Leagues(back in the ole NBC). Once they entered H.S. it was a totally different ballgame. Many could not keep grades, many quit cuz they didn't like the new Coach and a few got into trouble with the Law and drugs. They also hired a 23 year old Head Coach with absolutely zero HC experience and not to mention the lack of support the previous AD was giving. SSYF has done a pretty good job of feeding the HS, well coached, athletic kids. IMO, the HS and the kids' Parents have done a poor job keeping these kids in the Program and keeping them out of trouble.

I'm just sick of people in our Community trying to blame the Youth organization for the HS Teams failures. I have been close the HS Team and have seen what goes on, and trust me, if you saw it, you wouldn't believe your ears and/or eyes.

Now, moving on, I believe they have the right man for the job up there now. Problem is, its going to take more than 2 or 3 years to turn it around. I'm not sure Coach "I" will stick around long enough to help this program back on track. I also don't think a new League will make that big a difference, but, I guess its worth a shot.

The only thing you can blame on the youth program is that the heavies (big boys) don't know what they are doing because they have no experience. You are soooo right about the parents not doing their part in raising these young men and making them responsible. So many parents I know don't have a clue that when their kids are not on the field or wrestling mat, they may be high in the stands:(. makes me sad cause we are better than that. I hope things are on the right track.

[Smashmouth#1]

What did the school officials wan't?

Do you think SYFL will meet the demands of the school officials?

Whats the future of SYF?

Springfield football is finally coming together from TOP TO BOTTOM!

What about ELLET? Tallmage?

Now, wait one minute here..........You mean to tell me that you guys don't know? That's really funny. You guys portray yourselves as being on the indside and knowing all the skinny. Hmmmmm........interesting.

And for what it's worth, How can a school dictate what a private organization does? That doesn't make sense.

[Young Spartan Nation]

Now, wait one minute here..........You mean to tell me that you guys don't know? That's really funny. You guys portray yourselves as being on the indside and knowing all the skinny. Hmmmmm........interesting.

And for what it's worth, How can a school dictate what a private organization does? That doesn't make sense.

The school cannot dictate what SYF does, but they do have control of the fields in the township and can take it away at any time. Their choice is either get on board with the new plans or find another place to practice and play. The only people who REALLY know whats going on are the main people involved, all the rest of the people talking trash are just trying to make themselves feel involved and important. Instead, they are looking like fools.:rolleyes:

[Smashmouth#1]

The school cannot dictate what SYF does, but they do have control of the fields in the township and can take it away at any time. Their choice is either get on board with the new plans or find another place to practice and play. The only people who REALLY know whats going on are the main people involved, all the rest of the people talking trash are just trying to make themselves feel involved and important. Instead, they are looking like fools.:rolleyes:

Good point. I'm not sure that they can just say that they can't use the fields though. Imagine the stink it would raise if you were to kick one Youth Organization off of the field just so that another Youth Organization could practice the same sport. Wow, that would really be swatting at a bee's nest. I don't think that those involved would want to go that route. If I am incorrect though, aren't there alternate places to practice and play? I mean there has to be more than one spot to play football in Springfield. The SYF constitution is pretty leanient on rules for fields as far as what's needed.

[thepolster]

Good point. I'm not sure that they can just say that they can't use the fields though. Imagine the stink it would raise if you were to kick one Youth Organization off of the field just so that another Youth Organization could practice the same sport. Wow, that would really be swatting at a bee's nest. I don't think that those involved would want to go that route. If I am incorrect though, aren't there alternate places to practice and play? I mean there has to be more than one spot to play football in Springfield. The SYF constitution is pretty leanient on rules for fields as far as what's needed.

Really smash or is it Joe? Springfield coach gave E---- a chance to fullfill his wishes. If he doesnt want to do it then fine. Nobody wants to take over at youth. E- has a chance to help Springfield get out of the slump we are in. He was asked not to use any 7th or 8th graders and go unlimited weight from 6th down. He has been given to the end of January with his decision. He was not threatened to have his fields taken away, but the officials want whats best for Springfield. Why cant every able kid play football? Dont make it personal with me, your organization will go on with or with out Springfield football. If E- feels like we are giving him bad advice he will make the right decision based on the merits. All I know is were the H.S. coach and A.D. Superintendent stand, and thats with every kid should play, not just a chosen few. I could care less how long syfl has been around, I dont know you or kapper but 8 out of ten people I have talked to dont like the way your organization is being ran. I`m looking out for my township not yours, we are the ones with a 0-10 season. So what we went to Florida****** in the youth. We could of took the money and fixed up the fields or scoreboard and bleachers. I am doing everything in my power to change this league to blackstripe. The thing I have in my corner is the support of my high school. You guys dont have a clue what great things are to come here in Springfield, I'm not the only person who has interest in bringing up Spartan Pride. Feel free to email me springfieldspartans2008@yahoo.com or visit www.myspace.com/springfieldspartans and see spartan nation being built. And yes I was at the byf meeting and yes it was great.

[Buckeye29]

The school system doesn't control what the youth program does, but it's probably not a good idea to get into a p------ contest with them because they do control the fields that the youth kids play on. A field is a pretty important part of football!!! It seems to me that with the right leadership and some good choices by certain people and the high school and the athletic director would be behind them 100%. It seems so simple, ALL KIDS SHOULD GET TO PLAY!!! Also, I don't see anything wrong with kids that are in middle school playing middle school football.

[Smashmouth#1]

Really smash or is it Joe? Springfield coach gave E---- a chance to fullfill his wishes. If he doesnt want to do it then fine. Nobody wants to take over at youth. E- has a chance to help Springfield get out of the slump we are in. He was asked not to use any 7th or 8th graders and go unlimited weight from 6th down. He has been given to the end of January with his decision. He was not threatened to have his fields taken away, but the officials want whats best for Springfield. Why cant every able kid play football? Dont make it personal with me, your organization will go on with or with out Springfield football. If E- feels like we are giving him bad advice he will make the right decision based on the merits. All I know is were the H.S. coach and A.D. Superintendent stand, and thats with every kid should play, not just a chosen few. I could care less how long syfl has been around, I dont know you or kapper but 8 out of ten people I have talked to dont like the way your organization is being ran. I`m looking out for my township not yours, we are the ones with a 0-10 season. So what we went to Florida****** in the youth. We could of took the money and fixed up the fields or scoreboard and bleachers. I am doing everything in my power to change this league to blackstripe. The thing I have in my corner is the support of my high school. You guys dont have a clue what great things are to come here in Springfield, I'm not the only person who has interest in bringing up Spartan Pride. Feel free to email me springfieldspartans2008@yahoo.com or visit www.myspace.com/springfieldspartans and see spartan nation being built. And yes I was at the byf meeting and yes it was great.

First off, Who's Joe? Wow.....I could go so many different directions with that........but lets be serious for a minute.
It's not up to E- to "fullfill" the coaches wishes...if you are talking about the High School coach. His first priority has got to be SSYF and the kids, in other words to the organization. He doesn't need to bend over backwards to make the HS coach happy. Should they have a mutually beneficial working relationship. ABSOLUTELY. Does he need to make sure that the AD and School Board are satisfied.........same scenario...make attempts, but look out for the organization first. From the way your schools are run it seems to me that the School Board needs to focus a little more on other aspects other than football right now. Ok, they made their desires known. That's good. They don't 100 percent make sense, but I can see the point. You still look out for the Organization first. As far as letting kids play, sure I am all for that....you guys should know that, I've posted it enough times. And having weight limits is not having a select few play. That was put into place for safety reasons years ago........it was that way when I was playing ball too......and the biggest Youth Football Program in the Country (POP WARNER) has more stringent weight limits than the SYF......so don't act as if that provision was put in just to get an edge. I find it very, very, very hard to believe that 80 percent of the people have issues with the way the SYF is being run. Or was that Green specifically? To me, it doesnt really seem that you are looking out for your township because you havent weighed all the repercussions that it brings. How can you knock a monumental trip for kids to a National Tournament? I dont care what anyone says, whether you have success in High School or not, you will remember the trip from when you were 12,13 or 14. If you have issues with your scoreboard or your bleachers or whatever, try going to a Booster Club Meeting and try and help figuring out a way to get a new one. Try chairing a committee or putting a fundraiser together. That would really help as opposed to standing on the sidelines and complaining about things.
As far as bringing up that old Spartan Pride that you are talking about, hey do your darndest, that's what good citizens do in their community is better it. And I would worry about my City. I would also worry about Akron. It's difficult to keep your community great when you have negative outside influences at your borders.....not saying that Green is bad, but if it goes downhill, then you have an issue. I'm glad to see that you went to the BYF meeting, did you have the grape or the cherry Kool-Aid?

[Smashmouth#1]

The school system doesn't control what the youth program does, but it's probably not a good idea to get into a p------ contest with them because they do control the fields that the youth kids play on. A field is a pretty important part of football!!! It seems to me that with the right leadership and some good choices by certain people and the high school and the athletic director would be behind them 100%. It seems so simple, ALL KIDS SHOULD GET TO PLAY!!! Also, I don't see anything wrong with kids that are in middle school playing middle school football.

What wrong with the smaller kids being able to still play at the youth level? If you truely believe that "ALL KIDS SHOULD GET TO PLAY" then how is allowing the smaller kids the opportunity to play a bad thing? They get another year of experience, on the field, not on the bench. They also might need another year to mature and grow and catch up to their peers. And if you have more middle school age kids involved in sports, then there's less time for them to be out causing trouble. How is that a bad thing?

[Smashmouth#1]

Well I was not at the syf meeting either and I have not talked to him or to our assistant director who was also there. I was at the BYFC meeting per his request representing Ellet. That's all I know. I will try and find out tomorrow for you.

ok it's been a couple of days not Ellet32.

What did you find out?

[thepolster]

I had the purple.

[Buckeye29]

What wrong with the smaller kids being able to still play at the youth level? If you truely believe that "ALL KIDS SHOULD GET TO PLAY" then how is allowing the smaller kids the opportunity to play a bad thing? They get another year of experience, on the field, not on the bench. They also might need another year to mature and grow and catch up to their peers. And if you have more middle school age kids involved in sports, then there's less time for them to be out causing trouble. How is that a bad thing?

Nothing wrong with smaller kids getting to play. What's wrong with them playing with kids their own age? Do you want to wait until they are actually in high school before they play with the bigger kids? With that logic my 11 year old could have played B-team last year instead of JV because he only weighed 79lbs. I don't know what the perfect answer is if there is one, but this is more involvment from the high school than there's ever been, and that can't be a bad thing either.

[greendad]

byf's B teams are 5th and 6th graders

A teams are 6th and 7th

IMO mature, big or experianced 7th graders should play middle school but smaller or less experianced 7th graders should stay with the blackstipes.

from what ive seen, mostly 8th graders are the starters in middle school.

[Smashmouth#1]

Nothing wrong with smaller kids getting to play. What's wrong with them playing with kids their own age? Do you want to wait until they are actually in high school before they play with the bigger kids? With that logic my 11 year old could have played B-team last year instead of JV because he only weighed 79lbs. I don't know what the perfect answer is if there is one, but this is more involvment from the high school than there's ever been, and that can't be a bad thing either.

Wait a minute, We cant be on the same page here. Where did you get the idea that kids wouldn't be competing against kids their own age? That doesn't make sense. You keep the 7th and 8th graders that make weight on the youth level if they so choose, or they can go to Middle School. That's their decision to make. If a kid weighs over the specified limit then he goes to middle school.....this applies to the Jv and Varsity levels. That's what I was saying. This way all of the kids are afforded the opportunity to play. Am I a little clearer now?

[thepolster]

The plan is, if you plan on playing High school ball coach Tony wants these kids to play Jr high ball. If enough kids play at jr high, there will be a 7th and 8th grade team. We are not going to fight over kids anymore.

[GRPride86]

I believe Stow has two seperate teams at their Middle School. An all 7th grade team and an all 8th grade team.

By the way polster, the purple was a wise choice!

[green pride]

No but you will split the community and most good kids will leave if they already havent. You are being led by a AD that couldnt field a middle school team because he doesnt recruit his own kids. I have heard your choice for a middle school coach and if you think he is the choice good luck. I coached against him for a couple of years and he wouldnt coach for my c team. Just like in Green you people love the buzz words weight age ect but this is and always will be a personal issue. For your directors sake I hope all the people making trouble do go somewhere else just like they did in Green. Springfield SYF will thrive because only the people that care about the kids will be left.
If any of you reading this do leave for that other league next year you will find something over there to complain about because that is how you are built.The plan is, if you plan on playing High school ball coach Tony wants these kids to play Jr high ball. If enough kids play at jr high, there will be a 7th and 8th grade team. We are not going to fight over kids anymore.

[thepolster]

No but you will split the community and most good kids will leave if they already havent. You are being led by a AD that couldnt field a middle school team because he doesnt recruit his own kids. I have heard your choice for a middle school coach and if you think he is the choice good luck. I coached against him for a couple of years and he wouldnt coach for my c team. Just like in Green you people love the buzz words weight age ect but this is and always will be a personal issue. For your directors sake I hope all the people making trouble do go somewhere else just like they did in Green. Springfield SYF will thrive because only the people that care about the kids will be left.
If any of you reading this do leave for that other league next year you will find something over there to complain about because that is how you are built.


Once again green pride its not about you its about Springfield. And if you are refering to Doug He is the only coach to beat you in ten years Twice in 02'. We all know the call your boy Dave the ref made for you in the second game. You are right on the egde of getting personal with me. Keep it clean.

[Buckeye29]

Wait a minute, We cant be on the same page here. Where did you get the idea that kids wouldn't be competing against kids their own age? That doesn't make sense. You keep the 7th and 8th graders that make weight on the youth level if they so choose, or they can go to Middle School. That's their decision to make. If a kid weighs over the specified limit then he goes to middle school.....this applies to the Jv and Varsity levels. That's what I was saying. This way all of the kids are afforded the opportunity to play. Am I a little clearer now?

That's fine if you have enogh kids to take the small 7th & 8th graders into youth and still have enough kids to even field a junior high team. Did Springfield have a Junior High team last year? Why not? Not enough kids? I've been told on here that there isn't enough kids in the township to support two leagues, so how do you think there are enough kids to take any 7th & 8th grader that makes weight to youth? I realize that it's been like that for years. H---, my last year of pee wees I was in 8th grade, but that is when 9th graders were still in the junior high. I wasn't coming right out of pee wees and going straight to high school ball. This new coach just seems like he cares about the kids in the community, and I think we ought to give him a chance to turn things around instead of fighting him to keep things at status quo.

[Smashmouth#1]

That's fine if you have enogh kids to take the small 7th & 8th graders into youth and still have enough kids to even field a junior high team. Did Springfield have a Junior High team last year? Why not? Not enough kids? I've been told on here that there isn't enough kids in the township to support two leagues, so how do you think there are enough kids to take any 7th & 8th grader that makes weight to youth? I realize that it's been like that for years. H---, my last year of pee wees I was in 8th grade, but that is when 9th graders were still in the junior high. I wasn't coming right out of pee wees and going straight to high school ball. This new coach just seems like he cares about the kids in the community, and I think we ought to give him a chance to turn things around instead of fighting him to keep things at status quo.

I thought the reason Springfield didn't have a jr high program was because the School Board cut it. Now, I could be wrong, but I thought that was the reason. And there is still Freshman Football at the High School, correct? Then what's the deal? You either come out of the SYf or the Middle School program and go to the Freshman team. I don't see an issue there. And all kids get to play. To me, it seems that your issue is number of kids. If you guys have that many kids that are too big to play in the SYF, and have to wait until Middle School anyways, what's the deal?
If I didnt care about kids in the communities involved, then I really dont have any other reason to be on Yappi. Give your HS coach a chance to turn things around at the HS before he gets involved in the youth. You have a good program in place, does it need some tweaking, sure. Work with the successful system in place to make it better.....dont jump ship because you think the grass is greener on the other side.

[Smashmouth#1]

Once again green pride its not about you its about Springfield. And if you are refering to Doug He is the only coach to beat you in ten years Twice in 02'. We all know the call your boy Dave the ref made for you in the second game. You are right on the egde of getting personal with me. Keep it clean.

He wasnt even talking about you......how can you take it personally? Thicken up your skin a little bit.

[thepolster]

He wasn't even talking about you......how can you take it personally? Thicken up your skin a little bit.

I'm not Doug, I'm Larry. Are you referring to our new A.D. Kevin Vaughn? Our J.R high program will be open next year to 7th and 8th grade teams, that's plural. Why is it when we as a group tying to go in a different route are causing trouble? Leave it alone smash, we are trying to improve here in Springfield. We need every kid from k-12 grade to play for us, no matter what size,sex, creed or religion.

[GRPride86]

You are being led by a AD that couldnt field a middle school team because he doesnt recruit his own kids.

Very interesting statement.

[green pride]

Wrong we won the championship in 2002 and I have never lost to Springfield.Once again green pride its not about you its about Springfield. And if you are refering to Doug He is the only coach to beat you in ten years Twice in 02'. We all know the call your boy Dave the ref made for you in the second game. You are right on the egde of getting personal with me. Keep it clean.

[Smashmouth#1]

Leave it alone smash, we are trying to improve here in Springfield. We need every kid from k-12 grade to play for us, no matter what size,sex, creed or religion.

If that were truely the case, then you wouldn't have an issue with the way that I was suggesting. That way All of the kids get to play. It doesn't matter if they are big or small. Never went down the sex, creed or religion path.

[Irish87]

I believe Stow has two seperate teams at their Middle School. An all 7th grade team and an all 8th grade team.


But nobody is looking at the situation in Springfield. Our Schools are not in the same shape as Green, Stow or Tallmadge. Middle School Football was cut 2 years ago because of failing Levies and lack of Funds. Whos' to say it won't happen again? You are risking football for all 7th and 8th graders, by forcing them to play Middle School ball. What if there is no Middle School ball? Why not leave the option open for them to play Youth, whether it be BYF or SYF, if the cuts re-surface(because I'm pretty sure we will not be able to pass a Levy next time it comes around)? I was told that Springfield will not release any kids to play for any other organization for Football. Is that true? I still think parents should have some sort of say, on where their child plays Football. I understand the reasoning behind this, if its true, but to basically tell a Parent, that their child either plays for Springfield, or doesn't play at all is a little harsh. IMO.

Another question I have is, I thought I saw where BYF does not start Tackle until 3rd grade, is that true? Do all 1st and 2nd Graders have to play Flag, in the BYF?

Again, please understand people, I am neither for or against any League, I just want to know FACTS, before I am swayed either way.

[1badspartan]

Hi this is Doc Rivers, It has been brought to my attention that freshman football at green went undefeated because of Jason Albert a very good running back from Springfield. I heard he was moving back to Springfield.

[thepolster]

Hi this is Doc Rivers, It has been brought to my attention that freshman football at green went undefeated because of Jason Albert a very good running back from Springfield. I heard he was moving back to Springfield.

enough already, it doesn't make a difference.

[Smashmouth#1]

enough already, it doesn't make a difference.

ok, this is getting scary, now we agree twice.

[Irish87]

I couldn't even figure out what was meant by the comment, or why it was even written. :shrug:

[spartan71]

by the way we are greens aaa farm team, thats what he ment but who is doc?? isn't he dead.... oh sorry i'm off subject i'll shut up

[Smashmouth#1]

If I had any Grateful Dead or Pink Floyd, I'd put it on sit back....do that other thing that I've heard people do when listening to that type of music, and try and figure it out.....but my time is spent better in other places.

[GRPride86]

Another question I have is, I thought I saw where BYF does not start Tackle until 3rd grade, is that true? Do all 1st and 2nd Graders have to play Flag, in the BYF?

On one site it said that you start playing tackle as an 8 year old which would be 3rd grade.

[Smashmouth#1]

On one site it said that you start playing tackle as an 8 year old which would be 3rd grade.

They started an 8 year old team this season, for the first time.

[Irish87]

Thats a little disapointing, if in fact, Springfield decides to go the BYF route. My son is 7, and was so looking forward to his first year of Tackle next year. Thats all he talked about all season, was how he wanted to play tackle like his older brothers. Not sure how I'm gonna brake it to him, if things go BYF.

[spartan71]

give me some crayons a coloring book and some grape Kool-Aid and i will settle all of this. oh yeah i might need some alphabet blocks too!:eek:

[Smashmouth#1]

Thats a little disapointing, if in fact, Springfield decides to go the BYF route. My son is 7, and was so looking forward to his first year of Tackle next year. Thats all he talked about all season, was how he wanted to play tackle like his older brothers. Not sure how I'm gonna brake it to him, if things go BYF.

You could always see if you could get a waiver and have him play in Green. Although, I dont know what the options will be next year. I also know that you are very dedicated to Springfield. You can't be faulted for that.

[Smashmouth#1]

give me some crayons a coloring book and some grape Kool-Aid and i will settle all of this. oh yeah i might need some alphabet blocks too!:eek:

Your attempts at sarcasm floor me.....although I don't think that you are too far off base with that idea in the literal sense.

[Smashmouth#1]

Thats a little disapointing, if in fact, Springfield decides to go the BYF route. My son is 7, and was so looking forward to his first year of Tackle next year. Thats all he talked about all season, was how he wanted to play tackle like his older brothers. Not sure how I'm gonna brake it to him, if things go BYF.

And you know my stance on things, I post them enough......Springfield is far better off staying in the SYF.........I know that you are keeping an open mind, I hope that it works out for the best.

Do you have any other input on the situation, other than what's on here? Or is does everyone seem to be left out in the cold on this?

[Irish87]

And you know my stance on things, I post them enough......Springfield is far better off staying in the SYF.........I know that you are keeping an open mind, I hope that it works out for the best.

Do you have any other input on the situation, other than what's on here? Or is does everyone seem to be left out in the cold on this?

Playing elsewhere could have been an option, but unfortunately, I've been told, that the new powers to be, will not issue any releases to any Springfield kids, to play in a different community.

From what I've heard, I do not think the current SSYF Director wants to change to BYF. The SSYF Board from last year has pretty much been dismantled, so I'm not sure what kind of support the Director has behind him. Problem is, I don't think there is much choice for him. As some people stated before, the Superintendent has taken control of the Fields that we play on, and unfortunately, all other Fields are on school grounds as well. So, without Practice Fields, Game fields and a concession stand, it is difficult to maintain a Program. From what I understand, there will be a decision one way of another by the end of January.

My father coached in SYF, I played all my Youth years in SYF, I've coached in SYF for close to 13 years, so my heart is with the current system, but looks like Springfield feels there are better options for our kids. I am still remaining neutral, until I have more facts and information from the people making these decisions.

[thepolster]

Irish, 2nd graders will be allowed to play tackle. The coach and parent will decide if he is capable. Dont want to push the little guys to fast. Ellet dosent have a flag program so they will more than likely have all there 2nd graders playing tackle. Its a very big step for us to take, but we as a community will rise up to the challenge. SSYF is a good league but not our future,

[green pride]

There will be a Springfield Sububan League Team. Whether the other parents want to start a BYF League that is up to them and I am tired of trying to convince them because they do not know what they are getting into but so be it. The Suburban League will change weight limits next year and a lot of exciting things. We have a new President from Tallmadge and our new V President in the Assistant Kent State Athletic Director. We have so many great things going to happen to our league and for those who stay your kids will thank you in years to come. I understand many peoples feelings have been hurt in your community but understand this if you continue with this split your kids will be divided as they were here. Good luck Springfield I hope you guys make the right decision. Playing elsewhere could have been an option, but unfortunately, I've been told, that the new powers to be, will not issue any releases to any Springfield kids, to play in a different community.

From what I've heard, I do not think the current SSYF Director wants to change to BYF. The SSYF Board from last year has pretty much been dismantled, so I'm not sure what kind of support the Director has behind him. Problem is, I don't think there is much choice for him. As some people stated before, the Superintendent has taken control of the Fields that we play on, and unfortunately, all other Fields are on school grounds as well. So, without Practice Fields, Game fields and a concession stand, it is difficult to maintain a Program. From what I understand, there will be a decision one way of another by the end of January.

My father coached in SYF, I played all my Youth years in SYF, I've coached in SYF for close to 13 years, so my heart is with the current system, but looks like Springfield feels there are better options for our kids. I am still remaining neutral, until I have more facts and information from the people making these decisions.

[thepolster]

There will be a Springfield Sububan League Team. Whether the other parents want to start a BYF League that is up to them and I am tired of trying to convince them because they do not know what they are getting into but so be it. The Suburban League will change weight limits next year and a lot of exciting things. We have a new President from Tallmadge and our new V President in the Assistant Kent State Athletic Director. We have so many great things going to happen to our league and for those who stay your kids will thank you in years to come. I understand many peoples feelings have been hurt in your community but understand this if you continue with this split your kids will be divided as they were here. Good luck Springfield I hope you guys make the right decision.

You refer to the other parents, why. What about the high school, A.D. and superintendent. Are they not a factor here.This hasn't been a overnight decision. Allot of investigating went into there decision. Come on guys give it up already. .

[green pride]

Last time I checked the High School AD and Superintendet have a few more issues to deal with than youth football and if they spend much time on youth football then you people in Springfield have a whole bunch of issues. I will end my debate with the people in Springfield that want to leave you will look back and realize you made a mistake so be it. Polster what I dont get is your kid got to play football this year because there was a 7-8 th grade SYF. What happens when they cancel middle school football again? You are in this for your kid and I respect that it is the best for you but not the majority. I hope you have a good year next year were ever you end up. Last time I checked I would rather have a successful coach and volunteer in charge of my youth organization than a buisnessman but to each his own, let me know how it works for you.You refer to the other parents, why. What about the high school, A.D. and superintendent. Are they not a factor here.This hasn't been a overnight decision. Allot of investigating went into there decision. Come on guys give it up already. .

[thepolster]

Last time I checked the High School AD and Superintendent have a few more issues to deal with than youth football and if they spend much time on youth football then you people in Springfield have a whole bunch of issues. I will end my debate with the people in Springfield that want to leave you will look back and realize you made a mistake so be it. Polster what I don't get is your kid got to play football this year because there was a 7-8th grade SYF. What happens when they cancel middle school football again? You are in this for your kid and I respect that it is the best for you but not the majority. I hope you have a good year next year were ever you end up. Last time I checked I would rather have a successful coach and volunteer in charge of my youth organization than a businessman but to each his own, let me know how it works for you.

How can it be the majority when they don't know whats on the other side of the fence. And you say officials have something better to do, well this is part of turning things around in Springfield. This isn't negative, I see nothing but positive. Just because I don't have a child playing in syf doesnt mean I don't have a say. I was born here and raised here, and my business is here. my kids all go to school here my wife works here, what else qualifies me to have a right to try to get my community a chance at something better. When you post your facts about byf make sure there facts. I can send a rule book to you, cause you obviously don't know the facts.

[GRPride86]

I read on the regular football forum that Springfield has a new AD, Kevin Vaughn, Defensive Coordinator from Ellet, is that true?

[thepolster]

I read on the regular football forum that Springfield has a new AD, Kevin Vaughn, Defensive Coordinator from Ellet, is that true?

Yes

[brownandorange]

How can it be the majority when they don't know whats on the other side of the fence. And you say officials have something better to do, well this is part of turning things around in Springfield. This isn't negative, I see nothing but positive. Just because I don't have a child playing in syf doesnt mean I don't have a say. I was born here and raised here, and my business is here. my kids all go to school here my wife works here, what else qualifies me to have a right to try to get my community a chance at something better. When you post your facts about byf make sure there facts. I can send a rule book to you, cause you obviously don't know the facts.

Polster, your last sentence is my exact quote about green pride in an earlier post. The dude is clueless.

[green pride]

I would love to sit down with you and give you the facts. I have a folder full of BYF facts. How they started and why. The rules change every year depending on how it will benifit a certain parent. You think the SYFA is a dictatorship you aint seen nothing yet I will not try to convince you I will tell you your community will split over this and you may never recover from it.
I wish you the best of luck and also the parents that will be with SYFA next year it will be the best year ever.

How can it be the majority when they don't know whats on the other side of the fence. And you say officials have something better to do, well this is part of turning things around in Springfield. This isn't negative, I see nothing but positive. Just because I don't have a child playing in syf doesnt mean I don't have a say. I was born here and raised here, and my business is here. my kids all go to school here my wife works here, what else qualifies me to have a right to try to get my community a chance at something better. When you post your facts about byf make sure there facts. I can send a rule book to you, cause you obviously don't know the facts.

[GRPride86]

Having a new AD might be the right thing for this community to get back on it's feet. Ellet has had a very consistant program for the past 20 some years. The AD obviously sees that something needs to change and hopefully it will be for the better. Only time will tell.

[thepolster]

Having a new AD might be the right thing for this community to get back on it's feet. Ellet has had a very consistant program for the past 20 some years. The AD obviously sees that something needs to change and hopefully it will be for the better. Only time will tell.


Keep that to yourself you might get labeled as trouble.

[GRPride86]

Now before I ask this question, I want everyone to know that it has NOT been varified. I need a couple of more people who know this to be a fact before I make any type of statement about. So, again, this is just heresay at the moment.

Question:

Did Green give game films of Stow to Stow's competition in Florida?

A simple Yes or No will safice.

[thepolster]

Now before I ask this question, I want everyone to know that it has NOT been varified. I need a couple of more people who know this to be a fact before I make any type of statement about. So, again, this is just heresay at the moment.

Question:

Did Green give game films of Stow to Stow's competition in Florida?

A simple Yes or No will safice.

Was that before or after they went down? Give me a telephone # and I will call.

[green pride]

Boy you hate us quite a bit dont you. Since you couldnt beat us on the field you will try to cause any trouble you can. Good luck in your writing career.

Now before I ask this question, I want everyone to know that it has NOT been varified. I need a couple of more people who know this to be a fact before I make any type of statement about. So, again, this is just heresay at the moment.

Question:

Did Green give game films of Stow to Stow's competition in Florida?

A simple Yes or No will safice.

[GR1FAN]

Boy you hate us quite a bit dont you. Since you couldnt beat us on the field you will try to cause any trouble you can. Good luck in your writing career.

Don't worry about him Green Pride, he is reaching for something that isn't there. They don't know how much power we have in green. They wont have equipment or the support of there township. A bunch of losers. Take That TO the bank. I bet Big Donny wont bail them out of this one.

[thepolster]

Boy you hate us quite a bit dont you. Since you couldnt beat us on the field you will try to cause any trouble you can. Good luck in your writing career.

I am jealous , sorry

[GR1FAN]

I am jealous , sorry

Don't be sorry be envious!
Quit bringing your community down and have a meeting with people who care about the kids not just themselves.

J.W.

[green pride]

I appriciate the support but I have nothing against anyone in Springfield I just think they are misinformed. My problem is with gr pride who is always trying to stir the pot. As far as bringing up anyone elses name we are better than that arent we? Don't worry about him Green Pride, he is reaching for something that isn't there. They don't know how much power we have in green. They wont have equipment or the support of there township. A bunch of losers. Take That TO the bank. I bet Big Donny wont bail them out of this one.

[thepolster]

Don't be sorry be envious!
Quit bringing your community down and have a meeting with people who care about the kids not just themselves.

J.W.

no comment

[GR1FAN]

I see how it works, now I will show how I work.

I am just trying to get a point across that we are not here to cause trouble. You need to sit down with P.W. and hash this hate you have at syfl. Your new director has promised us he will stay with us. Your dividing your community up. I know the director is trying his hardest to convince the people to just give him a chance.

So what if green is thriving, your community will maybe be as lucky as we are. Don't blow it.

[The Huddle]

Yes to game film

[GRPride86]

Boy you hate us quite a bit dont you. Since you couldnt beat us on the field you will try to cause any trouble you can. Good luck in your writing career.

Since you keep bringing the win/lose thing up.

I coached against Green 7 times, I won 5 you won 2 (I take that back, you didn't win, it was Phil and Scott), granted one was a championship game. But you should be able to answer the question, Yes or No. If you say No then I'll believe you and I won't say anything else about it.

Do I hate Green, no, have tons of friends that live in Green. I love it that Tallmadge and Green are diehard rivals, absolutely love it. Almost as much as Garfield/Massillon.

Like I said, I heard that about the tape and just wanted to hear it from you guys if it was true or not.

[GR1FAN]

Since you keep bringing the win/lose thing up.

I coached against Green 7 times, I won 5 you won 2 (I take that back, you didn't win, it was Phil and Scott), granted one was a championship game. But you should be able to answer the question, Yes or No. If you say No then I'll believe you and I won't say anything else about it.

Do I hate Green, no, have tons of friends that live in Green. I love it that Tallmadge and Green are diehard rivals, absolutely love it. Almost as much as Garfield/Massillon.

Like I said, I heard that about the tape and just wanted to hear it from you guys if it was true or not.


So what if a tape was involved, that's being ahead of the game. Do you try to get films from other teams to scout us? come on , Paul shouldn't even answer that. Dude don't hate Green for our continued success on and off the field. Maybe You can ask Donny for advice. And by the way Ellet isn't going anywhere.

[GRPride86]

And by the way Ellet isn't going anywhere.

I think they made it official today.

[Ellet_32]

I think they made it official today.

Actually we made it official yesterday.

[GRPride86]

Does anybody know what teams the SYFA is talking to to fill the empty slots?

[greendad]

I would love to sit down with you and give you the facts. I have a folder full of BYF facts. How they started and why. The rules change every year depending on how it will benifit a certain parent. You think the SYFA is a dictatorship you aint seen nothing yet I will not try to convince you I will tell you your community will split over this and you may never recover from it.
I wish you the best of luck and also the parents that will be with SYFA next year it will be the best year ever.

You accuse BYF of having a dictatorship? it couldnt be any futher from the truth, gyf director.
ive been there for two years and havent seen anything of the sort.

when i was with gyf, it seemed like a dictatorship was going on there.
maybe its just me, but i sure got that feeling.

I just hope springfield doesnt have an ugly split of the youth football community.

[Smashmouth#1]

You accuse BYF of having a dictatorship? it couldnt be any futher from the truth, gyf director.
ive been there for two years and havent seen anything of the sort.

when i was with gyf, it seemed like a dictatorship was going on there.
maybe its just me, but i sure got that feeling.

I just hope springfield doesnt have an ugly split of the youth football community.

And here I took you at your word that the only reason that you switched was because your kid was to big to play for GYF. I see now that there were definitely ommissions in the way that you portrayed things.
By the way, have you asked anyone about any of the questions that I posed to you in the other forum? More than likely not, I know that by doing so you might actually find out what the real deal is. You stay out of the politics, remember? Like I said before, if you allow wrongs to happen, then you might as well have been an accomplice or done them yourself.
As far as Springfield goes, I do forsee a split in the community; and it is very unfortunate. That's the modus operandi for the BYF, split the community so that one can have power.

Dictatorship- a form of government in which absolute power is concentrated in a dictator or a small clique.....a despotic state.

Despotic-a tyrannic power.

There is no dictator in the GYF. It is run by a board of individuals who all have the same goal, to benefit the kids of Green.
And for the record, how exactly did you volunteer when you were a part of GYF? How about when you were part of BYF?

[brownandorange]

So what if a tape was involved, that's being ahead of the game. Do you try to get films from other teams to scout us? come on , Paul shouldn't even answer that. Dude don't hate Green for our continued success on and off the field. Maybe You can ask Donny for advice. And by the way Ellet isn't going anywhere.

And by the way Ellet isn't going anywhere? You're as misinformed as the rest of the Green cronnies.

[Smashmouth#1]

And by the way Ellet isn't going anywhere? You're as misinformed as the rest of the Green cronnies.

Actually, GR1, that's true.........Ellet is going to a place where they can win......

[brownandorange]

Actually, GR1, that's true.........Ellet is going to a place where they can win......

Ya, that's our motive Smash. Let's go to the BYL to try to win a game since we can't win in the SYL. I half enjoyed reading your posts in the past because you were down to earth. Now you're sounding more like Green Pride, all about winning or losing.

[GR1FAN]

Ya, that's our motive Smash. Let's go to the BYL to try to win a game since we can't win in the SYL. I half enjoyed reading your posts in the past because you were down to earth. Now you're sounding more like Green Pride, all about winning or losing.

Guy, you win when you bring kids in from all over other district besides your own. This just gives you freedom to do it now. You couldn't beat greens syf then, and you cant do it now. So go tell Big D thanks for bringing Springfield and Ellet down. We are Green, and we are #1 when it comes to pulling a community together. I might sound to confident but that's how things are handled.

[brownandorange]

Guy, you win when you bring kids in from all over other district besides your own. This just gives you freedom to do it now. You couldn't beat greens syf then, and you cant do it now. So go tell Big D thanks for bringing Springfield and Ellet down. We are Green, and we are #1 when it comes to pulling a community together. I might sound to confident but that's how things are handled.

Ya your communities like one big happy family. One team playing here and one team playing there, jawing back and forth with each other on here. Fighting about the old high school coach, the new high school coach. Sounds like Ozzie and Harriet to me.

[Smashmouth#1]

Ya, that's our motive Smash. Let's go to the BYL to try to win a game since we can't win in the SYL. I half enjoyed reading your posts in the past because you were down to earth. Now you're sounding more like Green Pride, all about winning or losing.

No, the facts are that you got caught cheating. Why do you attempt to cheat? Why, I believe, that would be to win. Don't talk to me about it's all about winning and losing. You even did it at the C level this year. Not just the upper levels. Don't preach to me about that. I know what youth football is all about there buddy, it's about the kids.
I do use common sense values to make sense of things, like standing up and fighting for what's right. I don't run away....and don't give me the BS about "It's what's best for our community"...because I know that's not the case. Instead of admitting that you guys made a mistake and trying to move on, you sit around and blame everyone else for your misfortunes. Allow me to clarify, when I say " move on", I don't mean in the literal sense.

And look, you are the one that made the smarta-- comment about "Green's Cronies" and being misinformed. Turn about is fair play in that case.

[Ellet_32]

Ya, that's our motive Smash. Let's go to the BYL to try to win a game since we can't win in the SYL. I half enjoyed reading your posts in the past because you were down to earth. Now you're sounding more like Green Pride, all about winning or losing.

Sounds like the same guy to me.

[Ellet_32]

Guy, you win when you bring kids in from all over other district besides your own. This just gives you freedom to do it now. You couldn't beat greens syf then, and you cant do it now. So go tell Big D thanks for bringing Springfield and Ellet down. We are Green, and we are #1 when it comes to pulling a community together. I might sound to confident but that's how things are handled.

Actually Big D brought us up not down! Happy Holidays.

[brownandorange]

No, the facts are that you got caught cheating. Why do you attempt to cheat? Why, I believe, that would be to win. Don't talk to me about it's all about winning and losing. You even did it at the C level this year. Not just the upper levels. Don't preach to me about that. I know what youth football is all about there buddy, it's about the kids.
I do use common sense values to make sense of things, like standing up and fighting for what's right. I don't run away....and don't give me the BS about "It's what's best for our community"...because I know that's not the case. Instead of admitting that you guys made a mistake and trying to move on, you sit around and blame everyone else for your misfortunes. Allow me to clarify, when I say " move on", I don't mean in the literal sense.

And look, you are the one that made the smarta-- comment about "Green's Cronies" and being misinformed. Turn about is fair play in that case.

Tell me in 30 words or less, how could you possibly know what's best for our community. That's ridiculous. It was not a smarta-- comment. GR1fan claimed "Ellet was not going anywhere", therefore he was misinformed.....not brain surgery here.

[Smashmouth#1]

Tell me in 30 words or less, how could you possibly know what's best for our community. That's ridiculous. It was not a smarta-- comment. GR1fan claimed "Ellet was not going anywhere", therefore he was misinformed.....not brain surgery here.

Since I used to live there, still have family there, I might have an idea. Thats not fair limiting it to 30 words. For me, that's the biggest challenge. 29

[greendad]

And here I took you at your word that the only reason that you switched was because your kid was to big to play for GYF. I see now that there were definitely ommissions in the way that you portrayed things.
By the way, have you asked anyone about any of the questions that I posed to you in the other forum? More than likely not, I know that by doing so you might actually find out what the real deal is. You stay out of the politics, remember? Like I said before, if you allow wrongs to happen, then you might as well have been an accomplice or done them yourself.
As far as Springfield goes, I do forsee a split in the community; and it is very unfortunate. That's the modus operandi for the BYF, split the community so that one can have power.

Dictatorship- a form of government in which absolute power is concentrated in a dictator or a small clique.....a despotic state.

Despotic-a tyrannic power.

There is no dictator in the GYF. It is run by a board of individuals who all have the same goal, to benefit the kids of Green.
And for the record, how exactly did you volunteer when you were a part of GYF? How about when you were part of BYF?

my boy being too big was the reason for leaving gyf. I didnt say there WAS a dictatorship going on there, i said it felt to me like there was one there. but it didnt bother me enough to split.

as for the questions i was supposed to ask, im not sure what questions you are speaking of. there has been a lot of those around these parts lately.

[Smashmouth#1]

my boy being too big was the reason for leaving gyf. I didnt say there WAS a dictatorship going on there, i said it felt to me like there was one there. but it didnt bother me enough to split.

as for the questions i was supposed to ask, im not sure what questions you are speaking of. there has been a lot of those around these parts lately.

If it didnt bother you, why even bring it up? To stir the pot and raise a ruckus.

Look on the Tallmadge forum, I'm not typing them again. You more than likely wouldn't do anything with them anyway.

what about the last 2 questions from the last post?