Springfield on a comeback?

[green1965champs]

Where does the J.R. High team stand? Is there really unlimited weight to 6th grade? Is coach "I" staying with Springfield? A whole bunch of rumors but no facts. My suggestion is find out get off your rears and keep this thread alive. Dont wait till the last minute to help your district.

[GRPride86]

6th grade? At Tallmadge Middle School 6th graders aren't aloud to play in any sports.

[thepolster]

6th grade? At Tallmadge Middle School 6th graders aren't aloud to play in any sports. what???????????????

[GRPride86]

what???????????????

You made me read 65champs post again. I thought it said "unlimited weight for 6th graders". I thought he was saying that 6th graders at Springfields Jr. High could play for the schools team. At Tallmadge, 6th graders are not aloud to play sports for the school, but are aloud to play elsewhere.

My bad.

[Irish87]

If I'm not mistaken, 6th Grade at Springfield, is the Middle School, but they do not have a School Football team. Springfields Junior High is 7th and 8th graders, but because of Funds, did not field a Football team this year. Still not sure about next year yet.
And yes, the 7th and 8th grade Team is unlimited.

Just trying to clear a few things up.

[GRPride86]

I was talking to a kid that used to play for Tallmadge Youth a couple of years ago and now he lives in Stow. He said that Stow's Middle School has a 7th grade team that only plays 7th graders and 8th grade team that does the same. Now that makes sense.

I know that TMS put both grades on the same team and we have about 50 kids on the team which makes it a little tough to get alot of playing time. I would like to see the Suburban League go to two seperate teams for the Middle Schools.

[brownandorange]

You made me read 65champs post again. I thought it said "unlimited weight for 6th graders". I thought he was saying that 6th graders at Springfields Jr. High could play for the schools team. At Tallmadge, 6th graders are not aloud to play sports for the school, but are aloud to play elsewhere.

My bad.

Same at Ellet.

[green1965champs]

The comeback has arrived. Springfield has enlisted help from a former deputy administrator for football relations. It is highly anticipated buckeye conference has been accepted up to 7th grade. Jr high will be 8th grade only. Way to go!

[OldCard]

OHSAA regulates the grade participation in all middle school sports. Seventh and eighth grade only. They are also the ones that eliminate kick-offs for ms football.

I believe that Stow's league also plays a 5th quarter for kids that did not get an opportunity to play in the regulation game.

I could be wrong, but I believe that Wadsworth had a 7th and an 8th grade team. It is not the league that dictates the number or make-up of teams, it is more likely the AD. I'm sure that it probably has more to do with participation numbers.

The 2006 TMS football team had a little more than 20 kids. I made 48 DVDs for the 2007 TMS football players and coaches. With schedules made far in advance, some programs would find it difficult to field individual teams every year with this type of fluctuation.

[Irish87]

The comeback has arrived. Springfield has enlisted help from a former deputy administrator for football relations. It is highly anticipated buckeye conference has been accepted up to 7th grade. Jr high will be 8th grade only. Way to go!

Not sure why this constitutes as a "comeback", but good luck with whatever you are trying to accomplish.

[green pride]

These are the proposed changes I will be bringing to the board.

Age

2-3 grade C team no 10 year olds entire year

4 grade B team no 11 year olds entire year

5 grade A team no 12 year olds entire year

6-7 grade JV team no 13 year olds entire year

7-8 grade Varsity team no 15 year olds entire year


Weight

C,B,A teams Unlimited

JV team 129 lbs with the exception that any 6 th grader not able to make 129 will play on the line

Varsity team 139 lbs

This gives everyone the chance to play and excel and you wont compete with the middle school because the big 7th and 8th graders play middle school.
Also on the C,B,A team all kids can play any position.

Let me know your opinion on this and try to keep this constructive

[spartanmom12]

These are the proposed changes I will be bringing to the board.

Age

2-3 grade C team no 10 year olds entire year

4 grade B team no 11 year olds entire year

5 grade A team no 12 year olds entire year

6-7 grade JV team no 13 year olds entire year

7-8 grade Varsity team no 15 year olds entire year


Weight

C,B,A teams Unlimited

JV team 129 lbs with the exception that any 6 th grader not able to make 129 will play on the line

Varsity team 139 lbs

This gives everyone the chance to play and excel and you wont compete with the middle school because the big 7th and 8th graders play middle school.
Also on the C,B,A team all kids can play any position.

Let me know your opinion on this and try to keep this constructive You just adopted the byf league that you are so against. Nice job on my behalf. Just one more thing, can I get recognition here finally? And we will have to eliminate all 8th graders. or no deal!

[green pride]

Wrong, BYF has no 8 th graders and we still have weight limits for jv and varsity. By the way this has been discussed for 5 years good try though. I feel sorry for your husband wow you must be a nightmare.

You just adopted the byf league that you are so against. Nice job on my behalf. Just one more thing, can I get recognition here finally? And we will have to eliminate all 8th graders. or no deal!

[green pride]

C,B,A is purely instructional all kids can learn all positions unlike BYF

JV Weight limit so small 7th graders get a chance to play and excel and the heavy 6th grader gets to play

Varsity Weight limit so small 7th and 8th graders get a chance to play and excel.

This will work great with all middle schools because all bigger 7th and 8th graders will go to middle school. Unlike BYF league were you are both competing for heavy 7th graders.

This will make GYF unlike any other league around more like the national pop warner league.

[Irish87]

Green pride,

the changes seem fair, but how long do you think it will take before anything is made permanently? I know there have been discussions within SSYF about these changes, I'm just curious how close you guys are, to actually putting something in writting and making it official. Will it be voted on at the next Board meeting, or just more discussions.

[green pride]

This wil be discussed tonight at our meeting, I dont know how it will be accepted by the other teams but we will know the opion of everyone tonight. We have untill March 31 to make changes to the constitution. Green pride,

the changes seem fair, but how long do you think it will take before anything is made permanently? I know there have been discussions within SSYF about these changes, I'm just curious how close you guys are, to actually putting something in writting and making it official. Will it be voted on at the next Board meeting, or just more discussions.

[Yappi]

I agree with others that are suggesting this looks just like the BYF.

My ideas:
Stick with ages - going with grades just makes the age difference that much greater.

Give reasonable weight limits - going unlimited at the youngest ages is going to drive off parents. The biggest problem right now is a very small vocal minority with older kids who couldn't make the weight limits. The lower levels don't have this problem with rare exceptions. By getting rid of weight limits at the younger ages, you are going to lose far more smaller kids who have a legitimate chance at playing on the high school.

[Irish87]

This wil be discussed tonight at our meeting, I dont know how it will be accepted by the other teams but we will know the opion of everyone tonight. We have untill March 31 to make changes to the constitution.

Green pride,

I just read your proposal again, and have a few concerns. I thought, when looking at the younger levels, you were generalizing about grades. I agree with Yappi, I think it would be better to stay with the age concept, and not grade level. By your proposal, does this mean, 1st graders(7 year olds), would not be allowed to play tackle? Not sure that I like that. I think many 7 years olds are ready to take on tackle. Another year of Flag would be too much.
I'd also like to see the JVand Varsity weights increased by a few more pounds. 129 and 139 max, seems a little low to me. Better than last, but sill a little low.

And, as Yappi stated, you will have quite a few concerned "mommies" about not having a max weight for the youngins. I've heard it as well as yappi, about parents, mainly Moms, scared for little Johnny. Keep in mind, at that age, the Mommy has the final say if Johnny can play or not. Now, when Johnny becomes a little older, Mommy may not be as concerned, as when Johnny was still in training pants.

[Emperior Ming]

Where does the J.R. High team stand? Is there really unlimited weight to 6th grade? Is coach "I" staying with Springfield? A whole bunch of rumors but no facts. My suggestion is find out get off your rears and keep this thread alive. Dont wait till the last minute to help your district.

There will be a 7th/8th grade team, 9th grade team, a JV team and the Varsity.
The youth league will be for 6th grade and younger. (Unlimited weight)
Yes, Coach Tony is staying. He had 61 kids at their meeting last Friday.
The JV/Varsity has been averaging around 30-35 kids every Mon/Wed/Fri for workouts.
Need any more answers?

[Irish87]

There will be a 7th/8th grade team, 9th grade team, a JV team and the Varsity.
The youth league will be for 6th grade and younger. (Unlimited weight)
Yes, Coach Tony is staying. He had 61 kids at their meeting last Friday.
The JV/Varsity has been averaging around 30-35 kids every Mon/Wed/Fri for workouts.
Need any more answers?

Then that means, there will be two, 7/8 grade teams. One for Suburban Youth and one for Middle School. Correct?

[green pride]

My mistake 1st graders will be on c team. All good advice I will take under advisement before this evening. Green pride,

I just read your proposal again, and have a few concerns. I thought, when looking at the younger levels, you were generalizing about grades. I agree with Yappi, I think it would be better to stay with the age concept, and not grade level. By your proposal, does this mean, 1st graders(7 year olds), would not be allowed to play tackle? Not sure that I like that. I think many 7 years olds are ready to take on tackle. Another year of Flag would be too much.
I'd also like to see the JVand Varsity weights increased by a few more pounds. 129 and 139 max, seems a little low to me. Better than last, but sill a little low.

And, as Yappi stated, you will have quite a few concerned "mommies" about not having a max weight for the youngins. I've heard it as well as yappi, about parents, mainly Moms, scared for little Johnny. Keep in mind, at that age, the Mommy has the final say if Johnny can play or not. Now, when Johnny becomes a little older, Mommy may not be as concerned, as when Johnny was still in training pants.

[spartan71]

These are the proposed changes I will be bringing to the board.

Age

2-3 grade C team no 10 year olds entire year

4 grade B team no 11 year olds entire year

5 grade A team no 12 year olds entire year

6-7 grade JV team no 13 year olds entire year

7-8 grade Varsity team no 15 year olds entire year


Weight

C,B,A teams Unlimited

JV team 129 lbs with the exception that any 6 th grader not able to make 129 will play on the line

Varsity team 139 lbs

This gives everyone the chance to play and excel and you wont compete with the middle school because the big 7th and 8th graders play middle school.
Also on the C,B,A team all kids can play any position.

Let me know your opinion on this and try to keep this constructive
:rainbow:
now we are getting somewhere thanks for the update green pride. i believe this could really help us out here in Springfield...

[green pride]

Correct the smaller kids would play youth and the bigger ones play middle school.Then that means, there will be two, 7/8 grade teams. One for Suburban Youth and one for Middle School. Correct?

[GRPride86]

Green Pride,

I don't think you should change anything that you have suggested. Go ahead and present your idea to the rest of the directors and get some of their imput before you make any changes.

What you are suggesting seems very reasonable.

[thepolster]

Green Pride,

I don't think you should change anything that you have suggested. Go ahead and present your idea to the rest of the directors and get some of their imput before you make any changes.

What you are suggesting seems very reasonable. I can go with that 86, but you better ask smash. Dont want to leave him out on this one.

[GRPride86]

I have to be careful what I say, don't want to be accused of "pot stirring".

[Yappi]

What you are suggesting seems very reasonable.

Not saying that it is unreasonable, rather, the changes that I suggest are more in line with getting the largest turnout for the football league. This year in Tallmadge, we had only one kid at the c-level that weighed over the limit. There were probably 15-20 kids who would have played football but the high limit (110 pounds) kept them out of the sport. Going unlimited will only give the mothers the "bogeyman" that they are looking for to keep their kids out of football.

The reason that St Xavier is the dominant football team in Ohio is due to participation. Having 70 seniors on their football team this past season is incredible. I would rather see Tallmadge and the rest of Suburban Youth Football look towards increasing participation. I'm afraid these changes are going to take us back to the bad old days of 15 kids (in Tallmadge) per age group instead of current double and triple that number.

[GRPride86]

I don't understand why you can't go with the new weight limits and after a couple of years into it, do a study and see if the numbers go down or up dramatically. You are making assumptions that have no merit at this time. Make the changes and see what happens.

And as far as Tallmadge High School goes, I don't think you will ever have more than 30 seniors per year. Football is not for everyone. The reason St. X has 70 seniors is because they are an All Star team, not a community team.

[Yappi]

I don't understand why you can't go with the new weight limits and after a couple of years into it, do a study and see if the numbers go down or up dramatically. You are making assumptions that have no merit at this time. Make the changes and see what happens.

And as far as Tallmadge High School goes, I don't think you will ever have more than 30 seniors per year. Football is not for everyone. The reason St. X has 70 seniors is because they are an All Star team, not a community team.

I guess that I look at the league as a 50 year study and it's been successful. Why the need to change it so drastically? Just tweak the weights and then study that in a couple years. That seems more reasonable to me.

As far as St X, of those 70 kids, very few are real football players but the school's atmosphere is conducive to getting kids to play the game. They are nearly four times the size of Tallmadge. I would be ecstatic with 30 seniors playing every year for Tallmadge and would be confident we would be perennial playoff contenders.

[thepolster]

Not saying that it is unreasonable, rather, the changes that I suggest are more in line with getting the largest turnout for the football league. This year in Tallmadge, we had only one kid at the c-level that weighed over the limit. There were probably 15-20 kids who would have played football but the high limit (110 pounds) kept them out of the sport. Going unlimited will only give the mothers the "bogeyman" that they are looking for to keep their kids out of football.

The reason that St Xavier is the dominant football team in Ohio is due to participation. Having 70 seniors on their football team this past season is incredible. I would rather see Tallmadge and the rest of Suburban Youth Football look towards increasing participation. I'm afraid these changes are going to take us back to the bad old days of 15 kids per age group instead of current double and triple that number.

There is a problem with that logic. What about the kids who just don't come out for the team because they know they wont make weight? And the kids who are to embarrassed to try out because they are to far out of shape. To many scenarios out there. I don't know to many moms who control there boys over what the dad says. If the mom controls dad then johnny probably should try out for soccer. Or if the dad is scarred of his boy getting tackled by a kid who is bigger than him should make his kid were a dress. I am sick of the crybaby dads who want to baby these kids. Fashion Bug is open till 6 o'clock

[GRPride86]

I guess that I look at the league as a 50 year study and it's been successful. Why the need to change it so drastically?


But who's to say that is has been as successful as it could have been. No one knows. Now like I said, make the changes and check the numbers in a couple of years to see if the league is heading in the right direction.

I don't know what the big "fear" factor is with unlimited weight limits at the younger levels. Most kids that are 7 years old and weight 130 lbs aren't going to be the most athletic players. I doubt if there will be any more injuries than there already are. Most of the injuries happen at the JV and Varsity levels due to the age of the boys and how their bones are growing.

I agree with thepolster, tell those mommies that they need to let their little boys to suck it up and play. Thier going to have to jump out there someday.

[Yappi]

There is a problem with that logic. What about the kids who just don't come out for the team because they know they wont make weight? And the kids who are to embarrassed to try out because they are to far out of shape. To many scenarios out there. I don't know to many moms who control there boys over what the dad says. If the mom controls dad then johnny probably should try out for soccer. Or if the dad is scarred of his boy getting tackled by a kid who is bigger than him should make his kid were a dress. I am sick of the crybaby dads who want to baby these kids. Fashion Bug is open till 6 o'clock

No matter what format you choose, it's going to be unfair to someone. I think the goal of any youth organization should be to maximize participation. If going unlimited accomplishes this goal, then go for it. I personally think that unlimited weight, especially at 7-9 years old, will lower participation.

[Yappi]

I don't know what the big "fear" factor is with unlimited weight limits at the younger levels. Most kids that are 7 years old and weight 130 lbs aren't going to be the most athletic players. I doubt if there will be any more injuries than there already are.

That's what I meant by the "bogeyman". It's not what will actually occur, rather, what the parent is afraid will happen. Go through 2nd grade at Dunbar, you will find nearly no one that is over the limit, so it won't affect hardly anyone. It's like putting a guarantee on a product. They know that the consumer will be more likely to buy it if it has the guarantee.

[spartan71]

There is a problem with that logic. What about the kids who just don't come out for the team because they know they wont make weight? And the kids who are to embarrassed to try out because they are to far out of shape. To many scenarios out there. I don't know to many moms who control there boys over what the dad says. If the mom controls dad then johnny probably should try out for soccer. Or if the dad is scarred of his boy getting tackled by a kid who is bigger than him should make his kid were a dress. I am sick of the crybaby dads who want to baby these kids. Fashion Bug is open till 6 o'clock
well put polster in a wierd kind of way. i think these changes will only help syf teams and thier high school programs...

Yappi, syf has been tweeking weights for years to try and keep up somewhat with the weight issues of our youths but the ratios have not increased accordingly over the years and a major correction is needed i think that is why now is the time to make the move and bring syf up to speed with the world we live in and the realitys lots of parents face with overweight kids. if a kid is to small or not ready to move up simply keep them down..

[Irish87]

There is a problem with that logic. What about the kids who just don't come out for the team because they know they wont make weight? And the kids who are to embarrassed to try out because they are to far out of shape. To many scenarios out there. I don't know to many moms who control there boys over what the dad says. If the mom controls dad then johnny probably should try out for soccer. Or if the dad is scarred of his boy getting tackled by a kid who is bigger than him should make his kid were a dress. I am sick of the crybaby dads who want to baby these kids. Fashion Bug is open till 6 o'clock

With Divorce rates so high these days, kids are usually given custody to their Moms. Therefore Moms make the decision on whether these kids play football or not in these situations.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to tell these Moms to stop babying their kid, but reality is, this day and age, Mothers are a little over protctive.

There will never be a solution to please everyone, but like yappi says, the best scenario is to create the most participation, whatever that may be.

[Yappi]

the best scenario is to create the most participation, whatever that may be.

Seems like we are the exception rather than the rule.

I know that every sport that I coach, my number one goal is to bring the most kids back the next year. It's amazing the change that occurs from year to year in ability for the kids. That's why it's so important to keep and attract as many kids to the game as possible.

[thepolster]

With Divorce rates so high these days, kids are usually given custody to their Moms. Therefore Moms make the decision on whether these kids play football or not in these situations.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to tell these Moms to stop babying their kid, but reality is, this day and age, Mothers are a little over protctive.

There will never be a solution to please everyone, but like yappi says, the best scenario is to create the most participation, whatever that may be.
I would really like to see the facts on that comment. How many single moms were on your squad this year? And was the father involved?

[Irish87]

well put polster in a wierd kind of way. i think these changes will only help syf teams and thier high school programs...

Yappi, syf has been tweeking weights for years to try and keep up somewhat with the weight issues of our youths but the ratios have not increased accordingly over the years and a major correction is needed i think that is why now is the time to make the move and bring syf up to speed with the world we live in and the realitys lots of parents face with overweight kids. if a kid is to small or not ready to move up simply keep them down..

Sparticus71,

understood on the weight changes, but keep in mind, most of the overweight issues happen around 10, 11, or older. Every now again, you'll find one or two 7 -8 year old kid that might exceed the 110 lb limit, not very often. I think if you set a max of 140 lbs for a C Teamer, you should be ok. If you got a kid, 7 or 8 years old weighing more than 140 lbs, he could stand to lose a lb or two. Ya know?

[Irish87]

I would really like to see the facts on that comment. How many single moms were on your squad this year? And was the father involved?

I'm not talking about my squad last year, nor do I think I need to provide numbers on Divorce Rates. I think I'm safe to say, Divorce rates are much higher these days, than say 10, 15 or even 20 years ago. Agree?

[thepolster]

well put polster in a wierd kind of way. i think these changes will only help syf teams and thier high school programs...

Yappi, syf has been tweeking weights for years to try and keep up somewhat with the weight issues of our youths but the ratios have not increased accordingly over the years and a major correction is needed i think that is why now is the time to make the move and bring syf up to speed with the world we live in and the realitys lots of parents face with overweight kids. if a kid is to small or not ready to move up simply keep them down..

A dream league to me would be every kid would have a chance to wear a uniform. There has to be a way to make this happen. If you are really in it for the kids then make it happen.

[thepolster]

Sparticus71,

understood on the weight changes, but keep in mind, most of the overweight issues happen around 10, 11, or older. Every now again, you'll find one or two 7 -8 year old kid that might exceed the 110 lb limit, not very often. I think if you set a max of 140 lbs for a C Teamer, you should be ok. If you got a kid, 7 or 8 years old weighing more than 140 lbs, he could stand to lose a lb or two. Ya know? I will tell you what. Call K.V. and ask him how many kids are over 133 pnds right now in 5th 6th grade. I already know, I want you to here it from him.

[Irish87]

I will tell you what. Call K.V. and ask him how many kids are over 133 pnds right now in 5th 6th grade. I already know, I want you to here it from him.

I understand, but I'm not talking about 7th or 8th graders. I'm talking about
1st and 2nd graders. The point in question, is weight Limits for the younger kids. It is not as big an issue with the first and second year kids, and as I mentioned earlier, if you have a 140 lb 7 year old, it wouldn't hurt for him to drop a pound or two.

[Emperior Ming]

Then that means, there will be two, 7/8 grade teams. One for Suburban Youth and one for Middle School. Correct?

No. All boys who attend the 7th and 8th grades will be expected to play for Springfield JR High. If there are enough boys to have both a 7th grade team and an 8th garde team, good. If not, then there will be a 7th/8th grade team that will play as 1 team.
Suburban Youth will from the 6th grade on down, without a weight limit.

[Buckeye29]

I'm not talking about my squad last year, nor do I think I need to provide numbers on Divorce Rates. I think I'm safe to say, Divorce rates are much higher these days, than say 10, 15 or even 20 years ago. Agree?

I agree, divorce rates are up, but what does that have to do with whether or not the kids father is involved? I'm divorced and I guarentee I am way more involved with my boy's sports than their mother ever will be. If a father is involved with his kids while he's married to their mother he's also going to be involved after they divorce. I don't think divorce is the problem, I think it's more whether or not the father has a backbone to stand up to the mother.

[wildcat62]

K.V. happens to be a very good friend of mine. I'm going to give him a call sometime this week and see what his take is on this whole thing. I know I respect his opinion and I also know he respects mine. He is a good person who I've shared alot of time with over the years , and I know that he wil try to do the right thing for EVERYONE involved. As far as divorce rates , guys , it's not going away and we as coaches and volunteers should have the utmost compassion for these kids. Some have an active father, some do not , and i've seen some that have both a mother and father who don't give 2 shakes about their kid.

[Smashmouth#1]

I can go with that 86, but you better ask smash. Dont want to leave him out on this one.

Thanks for the thought.....I appreciate it.........sa


Why does work have to get in the way of Yappi....this is such BS.

It seems good to me.........I could suggest more but then it could be insinuated that there is a dictatorship in the SYFL and we don't need that!!!!!!!!

The main point is to get everyone a chance to play, that's what this plan covers.....although Yappi and Irish have valid points with moms.....but I'm young and cute and moms love me.........I could probably talk some of them into it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Smashmouth#1]

I have to be careful what I say, don't want to be accused of "pot stirring".

pot stirrer!!!:stirthepot:

[Smashmouth#1]

Green Pride,

I don't think you should change anything that you have suggested. Go ahead and present your idea to the rest of the directors and get some of their imput before you make any changes.

What you are suggesting seems very reasonable.

Can I get a signature here? You guys agree on something???? Wow....this really is progress!!!!

[Smashmouth#1]

I guess that I look at the league as a 50 year study and it's been successful. Why the need to change it so drastically? Just tweak the weights and then study that in a couple years. That seems more reasonable to me.

As far as St X, of those 70 kids, very few are real football players but the school's atmosphere is conducive to getting kids to play the game. They are nearly four times the size of Tallmadge. I would be ecstatic with 30 seniors playing every year for Tallmadge and would be confident we would be perennial playoff contenders.

But with St. X being catholic.........don't you get bonus communion points or have to do less hail mary's or something after confession for playing football????

[Smashmouth#1]

No. All boys who attend the 7th and 8th grades will be expected to play for Springfield JR High. If there are enough boys to have both a 7th grade team and an 8th garde team, good. If not, then there will be a 7th/8th grade team that will play as 1 team.
Suburban Youth will from the 6th grade on down, without a weight limit.

Where are YOU getting Your info from??????

[GRPride86]

Smash,

I'm pretty sure he's referring to the new league.

[thepolster]

Where are YOU getting Your info from??????

The head coach. I was there. He was very clear on what he wanted. And the Emperior is a respected figure in the community. If it is who i think it is. Him and his family do allot for our community.

[green pride]

We had a head coach try this and he finished his career 3-7 and lost his job. I also have been talking to the most successful high school coaches and everyone of them dont care what type of league you have just teach fundementals. If you have a high school coach that demands you play for a certain league he is not going to be around long.The head coach. I was there. He was very clear on what he wanted. And the Emperior is a respected figure in the community. If it is who i think it is. Him and his family do allot for our community.

[thepolster]

We had a head coach try this and he finished his career 3-7 and lost his job. I also have been talking to the most successful high school coaches and everyone of them dont care what type of league you have just teach fundementals. If you have a high school coach that demands you play for a certain league he is not going to be around long.

Your coach did not lose his job, he retired. And our coach has the more support from within the organization than he needs. And he has the support from Ellet and greens directors with financial support as well. So you all can speculate we dont have equipment or you have some bogus field contract but I personally have the facts and when I say facts I mean the facts. So fashion bug will open at 10 for your players.:rolleyes:

[thepolster]

Oh yea , how did the meeting go last night. Are we going to get any clear cut answers today? The weight limit for varsity wont effect the florida trips will it. God forbid :eek:

[Irish87]

No. All boys who attend the 7th and 8th grades will be expected to play for Springfield JR High. If there are enough boys to have both a 7th grade team and an 8th garde team, good. If not, then there will be a 7th/8th grade team that will play as 1 team.
Suburban Youth will from the 6th grade on down, without a weight limit.

Why are you posting bogus statements. Springfield Suburban Youth Football is in effect for 2008 and will welcome any Kindergarden(Flag) through 8 grade children to play football. Why do you keep saying Youth will be 6th grade and down? That is not true. Maybe in your League, but not SSYF. Sorry. We're not going anywhere.

Answer me this question:

If a child decides to play SSYF and is in the 8th grade this year, what will be the consequences when he enters 9th grade and plays for the Freshman Team? I really would like to know the punishment for this child, for making a decision to play SSYF as a 12 year old. You might want to really think about what your answer is, because I for one, do not like being told by another person, where my son has to play Football.

[Irish87]

I agree, divorce rates are up, but what does that have to do with whether or not the kids father is involved? I'm divorced and I guarentee I am way more involved with my boy's sports than their mother ever will be. If a father is involved with his kids while he's married to their mother he's also going to be involved after they divorce. I don't think divorce is the problem, I think it's more whether or not the father has a backbone to stand up to the mother.

Buckeye,

I'm not saying this is the case in all situations, simply implying, that this is just another factor to consider, when thinking about making C Team unlimited weight. I am stating my personal experiences that I have been around, in the 12 years of coaching. I know this situation is the exception rather than the rule, but just throwing it out there for consideration.

[Irish87]

Oh yea , how did the meeting go last night. Are we going to get any clear cut answers today? The weight limit for varsity wont effect the florida trips will it. God forbid :eek:

Florida is a great reward for the players who have a succesful season. I think it is great, that SSYF can have this option for the Players, if they qualify and get accepted, by the Tournament. Part of Youth Football is making it fun for the kids, and I'll tell you, every one of those Players will remember that trip for a long time, including yours. I'm glad I could be a part of making that happen for them.

[GRPride86]

I really would like to know the punishment for this child, for making a decision to play SSYF as a 12 year old. You might want to really think about what your answer is, because I for one, do not like being told by another person, where my son has to play Football.

Aren't most 8th graders 13 going on 14? I think there would be a very small number of 12 year olds that are in 8th grade.

On a side note:

I think it's real interesting how some of you guys are really butting heads with the High School coaches and the new AD. Why not give these guys a chance and if they don't succeed, get rid of them in a couple of years. Obviously the program has been suffering over the past several years with the way things have been run.

[Irish87]

Aren't most 8th graders 13 going on 14? I think there would be a very small number of 12 year olds that are in 8th grade.

On a side note:

I think it's real interesting how some of you guys are really butting heads with the High School coaches and the new AD. Why not give these guys a chance and if they don't succeed, get rid of them in a couple of years. Obviously the program has been suffering over the past several years with the way things have been run.

Correct, their Program has been suffering, not Youth. Why not get involved with whats "not" suffering and offer suggestions as to what they would like to see. To come in, start backstabbing people and trying to shut down a non-profit organization was not the way to handle things. And don't forget, the "track record" for having Football teams at the Middle School, hasn't been all that appealing lately. Where's the security for the kids at the MS? How will they know if there is football next year? Or the following?

[thepolster]

Correct, their Program has been suffering, not Youth. Why not get involved with whats "not" suffering and offer suggestions as to what they would like to see. To come in, start backstabbing people and trying to shut down a non-profit organization was not the way to handle things. And don't forget, the "track record" for having Football teams at the Middle School, hasn't been all that appealing lately. Where's the security for the kids at the MS? How will they know if there is football next year? Or the following? I guess part of the backstabbing begins when green forwarded a tape to a opposing team in florida, the 35,000 dollar question. I think I meant it cost 35,000 to not come back with a championship title in stow. Be careful who your lying in bed with Irish.

[GRPride86]

Correct, their And don't forget, the "track record" for having Football teams at the Middle School, hasn't been all that appealing lately. Where's the security for the kids at the MS? How will they know if there is football next year? Or the following?

This is stuff that people in charge of SYF need to sit down with the higher ups and discuss. Maybe the adminstration has a plan, maybe they have done more research than most people think. Does the administration have a five year plan for the football program? If so, what is it? These are some of the things you guys need to find out. I'm sure that the new AD isn't going to come in and just tell you "it's my way or the highway". His job is at stake on the success of his ideas and how he runs things.

[Irish87]

thepolster,
I am simply telling people what is going on, as far as youth football in Springfield. If there is another League forming in Springfield, feel free to pursue that mission, but don't try and tell the community, that the only option for 7th and 8th graders, is to play Middle School. That is simply not true. Suburban Youth is still available and is under new leadership, and we welcome all who want to join. There is a lot going on this year down there. Communication will be 100% better than last year, I can promise that. I have been in contact with the AD and am still trying to set up a Meeting with him, to discuss. Unfortunately, he is a busy man and both our schedules have conflicted thus far. I will continue to pursue.

This is not about Green, its about Springfield and our community. Green has zero influence over the decisions at SSYF. They have offered advise and information as a friendly neighborhood gesture. I don't see anything wrong with that.

[spartan71]

I guess part of the backstabbing begins when green forwarded a tape to a opposing team in florida, the 35,000 dollar question. I think I meant it cost 35,000 to not come back with a championship title in stow. Be careful who your lying in bed with Irish.
that has nothing to do with Springfield Polster just look at the track record of who you are in bed with....the back stabbing began with byf USING you guys to attack and attempt to tear down our only football program in Springfield with any stability, have the last year or 2 been rough?? yes. but even with adversity the program was successful last year from top to bottom, let me repeat this one more time THE YOUTH PROGRAM IS NOT THE PROBLEM IN SPRINGFIELD!!! if you want statistics to support that they are out there in black and white... pick any Springfield team and track them from youth thru middle school and into high school... do you see a pattern??? i do. some have been blinded in Springfield by people looking to place blame for there own failures on others. Is the current H.S. coach to blame?? of coarse not is the new A.D. to blame?? of coarse not. i like the fact that they want to be involved but to not even speak with the current youth program (last year) before you get into bed with another (byf) is and was wrong.. i saw coach I at the field when SSYF played tallmadge last season i overheard him talking to D.W. and heard what he said, now i love doug and he has always wanted to help Springfield turn things around and with his work at the j.h. i'm sure he will help but that was the first mistake that was made, Doug was the B-team coach not the Director. the Director of SSYF was less than 50 feet away from the H.S. coach and did he say anything to him??? no. How would he like it if i spoke with the j.h. coach and changed his starters for the varsity??? i bet he would not. oh i forgot we did not have a j.h. or a freshman team so lets cut youth down to 6th grade and under and cross our fingers for the next couple years that the j.h. football team will survive the cuts that will continue in our schools. people are not thinking clearly if a feeder league is what you want at least wait till we pass a levy before we scrap 7th and 8th graders from the youth jmo.

[thepolster]

that has nothing to do with Springfield Polster just look at the track record of who you are in bed with....the back stabbing began with byf USING you guys to attack and attempt to tear down our only football program in Springfield with any stability, have the last year or 2 been rough?? yes. but even with adversity the program was successful last year from top to bottom, let me repeat this one more time THE YOUTH PROGRAM IS NOT THE PROBLEM IN SPRINGFIELD!!! if you want statistics to support that they are out there in black and white... pick any Springfield team and track them from youth thru middle school and into high school... do you see a pattern??? i do. some have been blinded in Springfield by people looking to place blame for there own failures on others. Is the current H.S. coach to blame?? of coarse not is the new A.D. to blame?? of coarse not. i like the fact that they want to be involved but to not even speak with the current youth program (last year) before you get into bed with another (byf) is and was wrong.. i saw coach I at the field when SSYF played tallmadge last season i overheard him talking to D.W. and heard what he said, now i love doug and he has always wanted to help Springfield turn things around and with his work at the j.h. i'm sure he will help but that was the first mistake that was made, Doug was the B-team coach not the Director. the Director of SSYF was less than 50 feet away from the H.S. coach and did he say anything to him??? no. How would he like it if i spoke with the j.h. coach and changed his starters for the varsity??? i bet he would not. oh i forgot we did not have a j.h. or a freshman team so lets cut youth down to 6th grade and under and cross our fingers for the next couple years that the j.h. football team will survive the cuts that will continue in our schools. people are not thinking clearly if a feeder league is what you want at least wait till we pass a levy before we scrap 7th and 8th graders from the youth jmo. For one, coach I did speak with Vern. And you were not that close to Doug to here what was said. Because you were coaching a JR varsity game. Why do you flip flop on things? One minute I here that you are going to coach with doug at jr high and now your coaching youth varsity. How are you guys going to have a team with 6 or 7 players on it? I dont understand. Irish talks about a track record with the jr high. One year we only went with out a team. The years before that they had very good records. The jv had great numbers down at youth, why not use them as your varsity. The jr high team will always be there, because we are getting more and more people involved than ever before. which ever way this stuff goes I hope we can work together. So what if our views are 180 out, as long as we fight for what we believe in.

[spartanmom12]

For one, coach I did speak with Vern. And you were not that close to Doug to here what was said. Because you were coaching a JR varsity game. Why do you flip flop on things? One minute I here that you are going to coach with doug at jr high and now your coaching youth varsity. How are you guys going to have a team with 6 or 7 players on it? I dont understand. Irish talks about a track record with the jr high. One year we only went with out a team. The years before that they had very good records. The jv had great numbers down at youth, why not use them as your varsity. The jr high team will always be there, because we are getting more and more people involved than ever before. which ever way this stuff goes I hope we can work together. So what if our views are 180 out, as long as we fight for what we believe in.

What did I do now?:stirthepot:

[Irish87]

I'm pretty sure in 2006, Middle School Football was cut out, all together and in 2007, they only had 11 kids sign up so Football was cancelled.

My track record comment stems from the last 2 years, and the history of Levy failures in the community which will again, result in cutting of Athletics.

[spartan71]

polster i was honored when doug asked me to help with j.h. but i had a change of heart, i believe i can help Springfield best with the youth. i dont mean to sound like a flip flopper i just want what you want a better football program in Springfield overall i believe this will happen we just differ on how it needs to take place.. i did not know coach I talked to vern my mistake.

[thepolster]

polster i was honored when doug asked me to help with j.h. but i had a change of heart, i believe i can help Springfield best with the youth. i dont mean to sound like a flip flopper i just want what you want a better football program in Springfield overall i believe this will happen we just differ on how it needs to take place.. i did not know coach I talked to vern my mistake. I have to get back to work, I will screw with you guys later. Love Larry

[Emperior Ming]

Where are YOU getting Your info from??????

I get all my information form Coach Tony, himself.

[green pride]

Wrong he was told his contract would not be renewed he begged for another year but the split he caused the community caused his dimise. I dont quite understand your hatred for the youth orginization, if it wasnt there your kid would not have been able to play. Your High School coach has enough problems with high school why the youth?Your coach did not lose his job, he retired. And our coach has the more support from within the organization than he needs. And he has the support from Ellet and greens directors with financial support as well. So you all can speculate we dont have equipment or you have some bogus field contract but I personally have the facts and when I say facts I mean the facts. So fashion bug will open at 10 for your players.:rolleyes:

[thepolster]

Wrong he was told his contract would not be renewed he begged for another year but the split he caused the community caused his dimise. I dont quite understand your hatred for the youth orginization, if it wasnt there your kid would not have been able to play. Your High School coach has enough problems with high school why the youth?

God knows how much you have done for so many kids. I think if you guys would of kept up with the changes better we would not be discussing any of this. Yea my kid did play for youth but my youngest son could not for the past 3 years. Like I said before, we need every kid to have the same opportunity to put on a spartan jersey.

[green pride]

If my changes are agreed upon every kid will play would you have a problem then?God knows how much you have done for so many kids. I think if you guys would of kept up with the changes better we would not be discussing any of this. Yea my kid did play for youth but my youngest son could not for the past 3 years. Like I said before, we need every kid to have the same opportunity to put on a spartan jersey.

[GRPride86]

If my changes are agreed upon every kid will play would you have a problem then?

How did the other directors take your proposed changes?

[spartanmom12]

Wrong he was told his contract would not be renewed he begged for another year but the split he caused the community caused his dimise.

anything else, gotta go to church?