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undefeated teams in the regular season. I know Arlingotn Bowie went down last week. Probably others as well.
Ohio had five. There has been discussion about this before.
consumerman
11-12-07, 12:18 PM
undefeated teams in the regular season. I know Arlingotn Bowie went down last week. Probably others as well.
Ohio had five. There has been discussion about this before.
too bad they have to disperse them into different playoffs
for instance Katy and SLC playing in the 5A SMALL division
too bad they have to disperse them into different playoffs
for instance Katy and SLC playing in the 5A SMALL division
I think most would agree. Good article from the DAllas Morning News about it yesterday.
http://www.hsgametime.com/dfw/sharedcontent/dws/content/topstories/stories/111107dnspowixon.378e502.html
DLSfanNW
11-12-07, 05:30 PM
Why is SLC in the SMALL division? I thought they were the best of the best?
RockinL
11-12-07, 05:45 PM
Why is SLC in the SMALL division? I thought they were the best of the best?
The best of the best in most years is in the small school division. This year D1 and D2 are clser than Ive seen in a long time overall.
I wouldnt say that SLC is the "best of the best" this year though. They may still win it all, but they arent what they have been.
EaglePride01
11-12-07, 05:55 PM
Why is SLC in the SMALL division? I thought they were the best of the best?
From what I understand, it just depends on which 5A teams qualify for the playoffs in terms of enrollment to determine which schools will be grouped in the Large divsion (5A-1) and which will be in the Small (5A-2). Once the playoff participants are determined, they then take a look at the enrollments of those schools and send the largest ones to compete in the 5A-1. Last year SLC was in the large group. Other years, if schools much larger than them qualify, then they will be grouped in the 5A-2 bracket. It has nothing to do with which schools are better than the others. But it sucks at times, because two teams that could be considered the top 2 in the state may be in different brackets and a "true" champion is still undecided.
Pretty close.
Most know each team is in a 8-10 tem district. Four from each district qualify. The two largest schools go D1 the other two go D2.
It is not uncommon at the end to have the D2 champion larger the than the D1 champion.
No, it does not make much sense, and yes almost all Texans hate the idea.
EaglePride01
11-12-07, 06:33 PM
Pretty close.
Most know each team is in a 8-10 tem district. Four from each district qualify. The two largest schools go D1 the other two go D2.
It is not uncommon at the end to have the D2 champion larger the than the D1 champion.
No, it does not make much sense, and yes almost all Texans hate the idea.
Thanks for clarifying. I remembered being told that it had something to do with enrollments and the larger ones being sent to the 5A-1 bracket.
Thanks for clarifying. I remembered being told that it had something to do with enrollments and the larger ones being sent to the 5A-1 bracket.
Last year BOTH schools in the 5A Division 2 final were LARGER than either school playing in the 5A Division 1 final. Go figure.
That's just how it worked out.
Chicago
11-13-07, 09:32 AM
http://www.txprepsfootball.com/5AP.htm
Permian is Division I. Katy and SLC are Division II.
No 2-8 teams made the playoffs, as far as I saw. Can't say the same for 3-7, though.
skyway28
11-13-07, 09:46 AM
The best of the best in most years is in the small school division. This year D1 and D2 are clser than Ive seen in a long time overall.
I wouldnt say that SLC is the "best of the best" this year though. They may still win it all, but they arent what they have been.
That is horse****. SLC returned the core of their offense from last year and people down there have been plenty excited about the defense as well. They have been every bit as, if not more, dominant against Texas competition as they ever have been. That is a FACT.
RockinL
11-13-07, 11:21 AM
That is horse****. SLC returned the core of their offense from last year and people down there have been plenty excited about the defense as well. They have been every bit as, if not more, dominant against Texas competition as they ever have been. That is a FACT.
That "horse****" as you put it, is your opinion....just like mine. They arent as dominant as past years, and Texas HS football is a bit down this year.
....but that's just my horse**** opinion. Ive only been watching Texas HS football for 40+ years.
RockinL
11-13-07, 11:23 AM
http://www.txprepsfootball.com/5AP.htm
Permian is Division I. Katy and SLC are Division II.
No 2-8 teams made the playoffs, as far as I saw. Can't say the same for 3-7, though.
Having 3-7 teams in the playoffs is a joke. Then again, the UIL is all about $$$$$, plain and simple.
That is horse****. SLC returned the core of their offense from last year and people down there have been plenty excited about the defense as well. They have been every bit as, if not more, dominant against Texas competition as they ever have been. That is a FACT.
Who has been excited about thier defense?
Against TX competition:
Points for Points against
'06 50 11
'07 51 18
So they are scoring 1 point more per contest while giving up a touchdown per game.
How do you get that they are more dominant?
skyway28
11-13-07, 11:53 AM
Who has been excited about thier defense?
Against TX competition:
Points for Points against
'06 50 11
'07 51 18
So they are scoring 1 point more per contest while giving up a touchdown per game.
How do you get that they are more dominant?
Maybe I will ask 'dad' to come on and explain how, when in garbage time, the offense is less likely to use an open playbook with starters etc. With the exception of the hangover game palyed on the road on a Thursday night after the Saturday MNW game (4 days of prep time between games) they have destroyed everybody they have played. Evn the 2005 team-considered by many to be SLC's best- had one close game at Grapevine. This year's team obliterated Grapevine on Fox for all of us to see. Blowouts are blowouts and SLC's roster of games is as loaded with blowouts as it has ever been. An avg. score of 51-18 is pure dominance. How about that 2005 team? What was their avg. PF-PA game numbers?
An avg. score of 51-18 is pure dominance. How about that 2005 team? What was their avg. PF-PA game numbers?
50 for
14 against
I do not see SLC winning this year. I would not be surprised at all to see Flower Mound beat them, although a father of a player told me they were not real excited about the matchup, so....
RockinL
11-13-07, 12:28 PM
Maybe I will ask 'dad' to come on and explain how, when in garbage time, the offense is less likely to use an open playbook with starters etc. With the exception of the hangover game palyed on the road on a Thursday night after the Saturday MNW game (4 days of prep time between games) they have destroyed everybody they have played. Evn the 2005 team-considered by many to be SLC's best- had one close game at Grapevine. This year's team obliterated Grapevine on Fox for all of us to see. Blowouts are blowouts and SLC's roster of games is as loaded with blowouts as it has ever been. An avg. score of 51-18 is pure dominance. How about that 2005 team? What was their avg. PF-PA game numbers?
Grapevine.......Please.
skyway28
11-13-07, 01:09 PM
50 for
14 against
I do not see SLC winning this year. I would not be surprised at all to see Flower Mound beat them, although a father of a player told me they were not real excited about the matchup, so....
Is that for all 16 games-playoffs included?
We shall see how things turn out...
skyway28
11-13-07, 01:13 PM
Grapevine.......Please.
Only point is the team considered by many to be SLC's best (2005) had one close game as well. Rockwall this year equates to Grapevine in 2005 in the sense that it was a close road game against a so-so team. And, the circumsatnces surrounding the Rockwall game this year ( 4 days of prep for a road game played right after one of the school's biggest ever games and after its first loss in four years) were much more difficult than Garpevine in 2005.
UncleBaldy
11-13-07, 01:37 PM
Having 3-7 teams in the playoffs is a joke. Then again, the UIL is all about $$$$$, plain and simple.
You think thats bad, Kentucky has teams with even lower records. A lot of them. Beneficiaries of a system that moved to 6 divisions.
Is that for all 16 games-playoffs included?
We shall see how things turn out...
I only included the regular season.
The total with playoffs included would be:
For 48
Against 16
WildcatCrusader
11-13-07, 07:15 PM
Allen or Permian is winning d1
Ohio typically has 5 or 6 undefeated teams to start the D1 tourney.
I believe this result of seven for Texas 5A is quite low historically. I think the highest in recent years has been 16 and the lowest 9 until this year. Lots more one-loss teams than normal this season though (24 by my count).
Ohio typically has 5 or 6 undefeated teams to start the D1 tourney.
I believe this result of seven for Texas 5A is quite low historically. I think the highest in recent years has been 16 and the lowest 9 until this year. Lots more one-loss teams than normal this season though (24 by my count).
You might be right. Perhaps the total of 0/1 loss teams is the same as other years with more 1 loss this go round.
Just thought it was an interesting number. Do you have a typical number of one loss teams?
I think 14 or 15 is typical.
50 for
14 against
I do not see SLC winning this year. I would not be surprised at all to see Flower Mound beat them, although a father of a player told me they were not real excited about the matchup, so....
I just lost all respect for your ability to judge high school fooball. :Ohno: :Ohno: SLC wins this one by 28.
By the way, SLC plays at Texas Stadium at 6:00 pm on Friday. I feel sorry for the Grapevine/Hebron fans. Their game is scheduled to start at 9:00 pm (after the SLC game). SLC games never last less than 3 1/2 hours. Allowing for 40 mins between games, the Grapevine/Hebron game kicks-off after 10:00 pm.
consumerman
11-14-07, 09:31 PM
I just lost all respect for your ability to judge high school fooball. :Ohno: :Ohno: SLC wins this one by 28.
By the way, SLC plays at Texas Stadium at 6:00 pm on Friday. I feel sorry for the Grapevine/Hebron fans. Their game is scheduled to start at 9:00 pm (after the SLC game). SLC games never last less than 3 1/2 hours. Allowing for 40 mins between games, the Grapevine/Hebron game kicks-off after 10:00 pm.
I know there were others with similar posts but I definitely remember this:
LAst year up until the DLS-SLC game was proven to be not a game, SLCDad and others said SLC would beat DLS BY AT LEAST 28
I quoted a few weeks ago 35, but I actually wnet and looked it up and it was "a minimum of 28"
then after SLC lost to MNW, and gave up 42 points to a mediocre team, we heard from numerous posters, well SLC has 8 new startes on defense and SLC has all these sophomores playing thier first season
My question is....
wouldn't SLC have 8 new starters on defense and all these sophomores playing their first season if they played DLS as well
with that knowledge, where does SLC would beat DLS in 2007 by a minimum of 28 come from
I am very curious
I know there were others with similar posts but I definitely remember this:
LAst year up until the DLS-SLC game was proven to be not a game, SLCDad and others said SLC would beat DLS BY AT LEAST 28
I quoted a few weeks ago 35, but I actually wnet and looked it up and it was "a minimum of 28"
then after SLC lost to MNW, and gave up 42 points to a mediocre team, we heard from numerous posters, well SLC has 8 new startes on defense and SLC has all these sophomores playing thier first season
My question is....
wouldn't SLC have 8 new starters on defense and all these sophomores playing their first season if they played DLS as well
with that knowledge, where does SLC would beat DLS in 2007 by a minimum of 28 come from
I am very curious
It's simple.
DLS wasn't impressive in 2006 and few expected them to be great in 2007.
MNW WAS impressive in 2006 and EVERYBODY expected them to be great in 2007,
consumerman
11-14-07, 10:16 PM
It's simple.
DLS wasn't impressive in 2006 and few expected them to be great in 2007.
MNW WAS impressive in 2006 and EVERYBODY expected them to be great in 2007,
so when they were 13-0 up until they lost their last game they werent impressive?
give me a break
the real factor in this is the youthful slc defense
it has proven to be a weak spot and foolish to say that slc would beat a national power by a minimum of 28 with that defense
was slc going to score 70?
I just lost all respect for your ability to judge high school fooball. :Ohno: :Ohno: SLC wins this one by 28.
Wow after all the crazy things I have said on this board and others, this statement did it huh?
wow
Background on the statement:
I don't think SLC is as strong as years past nad do not see them winning the title.
I live almost in FM.
I have met the coach.
I know many students at FMHS and parents of players.
I know coaches at other LISD schools.
I am very close to a star player's mom at another LISD school.
I think FM might be better than many think and have improved as the season's progressed.
Add that up and no it wouldn't surprise me if they won. Am I predicting a win? Heck no. All I said was that it would not surprise me if they did. If you notice, I followed that bold predcition up with a statement that a father of a Jaguar player said that his kid was not real excited about the matchup, so....
I also would not be surprised if SLC blew them out either.
Chicago
11-15-07, 05:25 PM
Has Texas ever thought of realigning the playoffs after the first two or three rounds?
By then, teams are traveling a long way anyway for games, so geography shouldn't be a huge issue.
Take the final 16 Division I teams and the final 16 Division II teams, rank them 1 through 32 by enrollment, make the top half the new Division I, the bottom half the new Division II, and make brackets.
That is, I hate to say it, essentially what Illinois does, except Illinois does it at the end of the regular season (but after the playoff teams are determined).
This is what last year would have looked like with a realignment after round 2 (I had to use thisyear's enrollments).
The new Division I would end with Harlingen South and the new Division II would start with Lubbock Monterey.
Just throwing it out there, as they say.
I sorted them by district within each division.
School Actual Division Region District Actual Result Enrollment
Odessa Permian………… 1 1 3 Lost Rnd. 3 4,027.90
De Soto……………………... 2 1 8 Lost Rnd. 4 2,612.00
Plano East…………………. 1 2 9 Lost Rnd. 3 5,652.00
Allen…………………………. 1 2 9 Lost Semifinal 4,629.50
Richardson Berkner…… 2 2 9 Lost Rnd. 3 2,915.00
Spring Westfield……….. 1 2 16 Lost Rnd. 4 4,893.00
Cypress Fairbanks……… 1 3 17 Lost Rnd. 4 3,768.50
Houston Cypress Falls.. 2 3 17 Lost Final… 3,350.00
Katy Cinco Ranch………. 1 3 18 Lost Rnd. 3 3,253.00
Katy………………………….. 2 3 18 Lost Rnd. 4 2,789.00
Pearland…………………… 1 3 24 Lost Semifinal 4,075.12
Clute Brazoswood…….. 2 3 24 Lost Rnd. 3 2,674.50
San Antonio Reagan….. 1 4 26 Lost Rnd. 4 3,409.00
San Antonio MacArthur 2 4 26 Lost Semifinal 2,756.00
Laredo United…………… 1 4 29 Lost Rnd. 3 2,635.00
Harlingen South………… 2 4 31 Lost Rnd. 3 2,672.00
Lubbock Monterey……. 1 1 2 Lost Rnd. 3 2,206.47
Amarillo……………………. 2 1 2 Lost Rnd. 3 2,018.50
Abilene……………………… 2 1 3 Lost Rnd. 3 2,478.00
Colleyville Heritage….. 1 1 5 Lost Rnd. 4 2,425.00
Southlake Carroll……… 1 1 5 Won Final 2,408.00
Cedar Hill…………………. 2 1 8 Won Final 2,448.50
Garland……………………. 2 2 10 Lost Semifinal 2,404.00
Round Rock……………….. 1 2 14 Lost Rnd. 3 2,239.00
Leander……………………. 2 2 14 Lost Rnd. 3 2,043.50
Klein Oak………………….. 2 2 16 Lost Rnd. 4 2,348.00
Beaumont West Brook. 2 3 21 Lost Rnd. 3 2,422.00
Fort Bend Hightower…. 1 3 23 Lost Rnd. 3 2,579.00
Austin Westlake……….. 1 4 25 Lost Final… 2,356.50
San Marcos………………. 2 4 25 Lost Rnd. 4 1,990.50
McAllen Memorial…….. 2 4 30 Lost Rnd. 3 2,012.00
Los Fresnos………………. 1 4 32 Lost Rnd. 3 2,307.00
TrojanHorse03
04-12-08, 07:15 PM
From what I understand, it just depends on which 5A teams qualify for the playoffs in terms of enrollment to determine which schools will be grouped in the Large divsion (5A-1) and which will be in the Small (5A-2). Once the playoff participants are determined, they then take a look at the enrollments of those schools and send the largest ones to compete in the 5A-1. Last year SLC was in the large group. Other years, if schools much larger than them qualify, then they will be grouped in the 5A-2 bracket. It has nothing to do with which schools are better than the others. But it sucks at times, because two teams that could be considered the top 2 in the state may be in different brackets and a "true" champion is still undecided.
True.
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