Questions on Region 4 playoffs

[consumerman]

Just curious

I read a thread about 3 GCL and 3 teams from another league make up 6 of the 8 region 4 playoff teams.

How many leagues comprise the Region 4 playoffs?

How does this differ from the North Coast Section where DLS plays in which I believe there 4 leagues, for sure there at least 3?

Anyway good luck to St X and interested to see what happens Moeller - Colerain.

BTW Mission Viejo lost AGAIN this week. They have 5 wins in 9 games in California but are 1-0 against a GCL team that has advanced to the second round of the playoffs.

Curious to say the least.

[WrongPerson]

I believe 3: GCL, GMC, and GWOC ( i think)

[consumerman]

I believe 3: GCL, GMC, and GWOC ( i think)

so a 4 team gcl league

and 2 other leagues

hardly an epic region

I was under the impression regions in ohio would be much larger than the north coast section

doesnt appear to be close to the case

[ColerainWinsAgain]

so a 4 team gcl league

and 2 other leagues

hardly an epic region

I was under the impression regions in ohio would be much larger than the north coast section

doesnt appear to be close to the case


There are 29 teams in R4...

GCL South - 4
GMC - 10
GWOC - 8 (3 divisions, 17 total teams)
FAVC - 5 (Also has many more teams, but in lower divisions)
SWOPL - 2 (Many more teams, lower divisions)

If you divided the state into 4ths there would be more division I teams in SWO, but the state divides the regions so they each have 29 teams, therefor some schools are in other regions to even it out. Not sure how California divides their regions/divisions, but there are also a bunch of lower division teams in SWO.

[WrongPerson]

Oh, I thought he was asking how many leagues made it into the tourny this year...my bad.

[UncleBaldy]

BTW, c-man, Moeller lost to Colerain 27-7. Second year in a row their season has been ended by Colerain. Congrats to Colerain. Better luck next year Moe.

This sets up a regional final of St. X vs. Colerain.

[Chicago]

http://www.joeeitel.com/hsfoot/

Enjoy.

[consumerman]

BTW, c-man, Moeller lost to Colerain 27-7. Second year in a row their season has been ended by Colerain. Congrats to Colerain. Better luck next year Moe.

This sets up a regional final of St. X vs. Colerain.

Were these day games yesterday? Why are some playoff games night games and the next week they are day games?

Does Colerain have a chance? I heard they have no passing game at all.

[psax889906]

Were these day games yesterday? Why are some playoff games night games and the next week they are day games?

Does Colerain have a chance? I heard they have no passing game at all.

Nope... no passing game and no chance... didn't you hear, Centerville's head coach already annointed St. X the state champs... :angel: :D :D :angel:

[consumerman]

Nope... no passing game and no chance... didn't you hear, Centerville's head coach already annointed St. X the state champs... :angel: :D :D :angel:

I thought all of St X followers already annointed them NATIONAL CHAMPS becasue of their brutal schedule and going undefeated

which included

3 loss St Iggy which St X squeezed by by 3 in 3 overtimes, other teams beat them by as much as 21

2 loss De Matha who also barely beat a losing team 7-6

4 loss Moeller which lost to a cali team which could barely scrape together 5 wins in 9 games against cali competition

4 loss Elder

a St Ed's team that sucked

etc etc

but the masses in Ohio have annointed St X national champion\\\

[WrongPerson]

Yep. because they're the best.

[DOWNTOWN PANTHER]

I thought all of St X followers already annointed them NATIONAL CHAMPS becasue of their brutal schedule and going undefeated

which included

3 loss St Iggy which St X squeezed by by 3 in 3 overtimes, other teams beat them by as much as 21

2 loss De Matha who also barely beat a losing team 7-6

4 loss Moeller which lost to a cali team which could barely scrape together 5 wins in 9 games against cali competition

4 loss Elder

a St Ed's team that sucked

etc etc

but the masses in Ohio have annointed St X national champion\\\

That is certainly the glass half empty way to look at St. X. However, they are tough. I think they could hold their own with anyone. As far as Colerain goes.. They are tough as well. Whoever wins this game should win the State championship. Traditionally they win with tough defense and a very solid ground game.

Is DLS still alive? Keep us posted.

[FormerWildcat]

4 loss Moeller which lost to a cali team which could barely scrape together 5 wins in 9 games against cali competition
Not that I think Moeller was great or anything like that this year, but you failed to mention that Mission Viejo had a game that resulted in a tie against San Clemente. San Clemente finished the regular season at 7-2-1, tied with MV for second in their league, and they are both going to the playoffs.

I'll be interested to see how many games Mission Viejo wins in the playoffs.

[consumerman]

Not that I think Moeller was great or anything like that this year, but you failed to mention that Mission Viejo had a game that resulted in a tie against San Clemente. San Clemente finished the regular season at 7-2-1, tied with MV for second in their league, and they are both going to the playoffs.

I'll be interested to see how many games Mission Viejo wins in the playoffs.

The fact that MV finished in a tie for second in their league, instead of dominating it like they always do, shows not the strength of the rest of the league, but how MV is down a notch or two (or 3) this year, despite that they beat a GCL playoff team

they went 5-3-1 in california, like I said winning just 5 of 9 games

I would be surprised (not shocked) if they beat Orange Lutheran

[FormerWildcat]

they went 5-3-1 in california, like I said winning just 5 of 9 games
Yes, what you said was accurate, but what you said was also very politician-like with not telling the whole story. I think you tried to give everyone the impression they had gone 5-4 in California.

I'm not sure why you're so hung up on a "GCL playoff team." Yes, Moeller made the playoffs, but so did Mission Viejo. So, I don't really see any difference. It's not as if MV didn't even make the playoffs, which would have been more meaningful.

[NorrisHopper30]

I thought all of St X followers already annointed them NATIONAL CHAMPS becasue of their brutal schedule and going undefeated

which included

3 loss St Iggy which St X squeezed by by 3 in 3 overtimes, other teams beat them by as much as 21

2 loss De Matha who also barely beat a losing team 7-6

4 loss Moeller which lost to a cali team which could barely scrape together 5 wins in 9 games against cali competition

4 loss Elder

a St Ed's team that sucked

etc etc

but the masses in Ohio have annointed St X national champion\\\
But what is their record?

[consumerman]

But what is their record?

no better than many other teams throughout the nation

[consumerman]

Yes, what you said was accurate, but what you said was also very politician-like with not telling the whole story. I think you tried to give everyone the impression they had gone 5-4 in California.

I'm not sure why you're so hung up on a "GCL playoff team." Yes, Moeller made the playoffs, but so did Mission Viejo. So, I don't really see any difference. It's not as if MV didn't even make the playoffs, which would have been more meaningful.

moeller was one of 32 teams to make the playoffs in Ohio D1 and won their first game so it can easily be argued they are one of the top 16 in ohio, most would argue top 10

MV is one of 16 playoff teams in the Southern Section Pac 5 Division
there are several divisions in the Southern Section alone\
there are 9 other sections in California

MV is probably the 7th or 8th best team in their division
probably in the top 20 in their section
probably NOT in the top 25 in Socal alone. let alone the entire state including norcal

MV 26, Moeller 22

MV won 5 of 9 games in california

[consumerman]

I'm not sure why you're so hung up on a "GCL playoff team."

all we ever hear os the GCL is the best league in the nation
Moeller finished #2 in that league
Moeller made the playoffs
Moeller won a playoff game

Moeller LOST to a cali team that won 5 of 9 game in cali

is the GCL the best league in the nation???

is Moeller a playoff (winning) team from the GCL??

did they lose to a team that won 5 of 9 games in cali??

can't have your cake (gcl is the best league in the nation) and eat it to0 (a cali team that won 5 of 9 games in cali beat the #2 GCL team that won an Ohio playoff game but it does mean anything as Moeller is not that good)

YOU CHOOSE

[EaglePride01]

Anyone who would argue Moeller as a top ten team in the state is delusional........or from Cincinnati. I would include them in the lower end of the top 20.

But yes, it appears that MV is a little better than average in the state of California this year. However, this year appears to be extremely competitive in Cali with an abundance of top notch teams.

[WrongPerson]

GCL = God's Chosen League...you cant argue with that

GCL > you.

X > California combined.

[cubbyphan]

MV won 5 of 9 games in california

And Moeller won 5 games against Ohio teams. You keep posting MV's record as if it is evidence of them struggling terribly in California. But then you act like Moeller is dominating in Ohio. Fact is though, Moeller and MV had the same exact amount of wins (5) and losses (3) against teams from their respective state. I would, however, point out that of Moeller's 5 wins, only 1 (Sycamore) came against a team with a winning record (and Sycamore was without their best player).

I also love how you try to spin Moeller's place in the GCL by saying they finished 2nd in their league. I could just as easily say they finished last in their league.

And no one with any knowledge of Ohio football would seriously consider Moeller a top 10 team in the state. There are at least 20 better D1 schools alone. When you factor in lower division schools Moeller would be lucky to be top 30 in the state.

In reality MV and Moeller are essentially the same team. Both are traditionally powers within their respective states. Both are pretty good this year, but certainly not great. Both will finish below the top in their respective leagues. Both will make the playoffs, but neither will be a threat to make a long run in the playoffs. They played a good game and in a game that could have gone either way a decent California team beat a decent Ohio team.

[consumerman]

And Moeller won 5 games against Ohio teams. You keep posting MV's record as if it is evidence of them struggling terribly in California. But then you act like Moeller is dominating in Ohio. Fact is though, Moeller and MV had the same exact amount of wins (5) and losses (3) against teams from their respective state. I would, however, point out that of Moeller's 5 wins, only 1 (Sycamore) came against a team with a winning record (and Sycamore was without their best player).

I also love how you try to spin Moeller's place in the GCL by saying they finished 2nd in their league. I could just as easily say they finished last in their league.

And no one with any knowledge of Ohio football would seriously consider Moeller a top 10 team in the state. There are at least 20 better D1 schools alone. When you factor in lower division schools Moeller would be lucky to be top 30 in the state.

In reality MV and Moeller are essentially the same team. Both are traditionally powers within their respective states. Both are pretty good this year, but certainly not great. Both will finish below the top in their respective leagues. Both will make the playoffs, but neither will be a threat to make a long run in the playoffs. They played a good game and in a game that could have gone either way a decent California team beat a decent Ohio team.



YOU ARE MISSING THE MAIN POINT!!!!!

NO ONE CLAIMS MISSION VIEJO PLAYS IN THE BEST LEAGUE IN THE NATION

EVERYONE IN OHIO CLAIMS THAT THE GCL IS THE BEST LEAGUE IN THE NATION

IF YOU HAVE ONE UNDEFEATED TEAM, AND 3 TEAMS THAT ARE "PRETTY GOOD" BUT IN REALITY ARE NOTHING SPECIAL

........... THERE IS NO WAY THE GCL IS THE BEST LEAGUE IN THE COUNTRY

RIGHT NOW I WOULD PUT THE 3 TRINITY PLAYOFF TEAMS (MATER DEI, ORANGE LUTHERAN AND SERVITE) AGAINST ANY 3 GCL TEAMS AND THEY WOULD COMPARE MORE THAN FAVORABLY

THIS NOTION THAT THE GCL IS THE BEST LEAGUE IN THE NATION IS NONSENSE AND THE GOOD TO PRETTY GOOD ELDERS MOELLERS AND LA SALLES ARE PROOF OF THAT

_____________________________

PS talk about spin city

Moeller was seeded as the #6 team in the playoffs
Elder was seeded #8
LaSalle did not qualify

to say these three team essentially finished in a tie is the ultimate spin

Moeller for all reasonable ananlysis was the second best team in the GCL

to argue otherwise is saying the Ohio playoff system and seeding is seriously flawed

Moeller was the second best team in the GCL
they won a playoff game in Ohio

they lost to a cali team that won 5 of 9 games in Cali and can't use the excuse well 2 of our losses were against arguably the best team in the country (St X) as Moeller can

quit spinning

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if Moeller is the second best team in the GCL but only barely in the top 30 in Ohio,.... what makes the GCL the best league in Ohio, LET ALONE THE NATION

YOU MADE MY ARGUMENT FOR ME

[cubbyphan]

1) Moeller was not the 2nd best team in the GCL this year. Elder was a better team than Moeller. The fact that Moeller was seeded higher than Elder was mainly due to Elder's QB getting injured. And the Harbin's are a flawed system. That is discussed all the time on this board. That doesn't mean they aren't a good system.

2) Again, Moeller won same amount of games in Ohio as MV did in California. I don't know how to make this any more clear.

3) Only 1 of Moe's losses was to St X, so I don't know where the comment of 2 of the losses are coming from. One of MV's losses was also to a top 5 team in the country.

4) I don't think "everyone in Ohio" claims that the GCL is the best league in the nation. There are many Cincinnati posters that would argue it's not even the best league in Cincy.

5) On a year-to-year basis I would argue the GCL is probably a top 5 league in the nation, and possibly even the best. The league is a little down this year, and I would actually agree with you that they probably aren't the best in the nation this year.

6) Calpreps has consistently rated the GCL as the best league in the nation. Regardless of how you feel about calpreps (and I would admit that there are flaws with their system), this fact at least indicates that it is not "nonsense" as you describe it to talk about the GCL in this regard.

[consumerman]

The league is a little down this year, and I would actually agree with you that they probably aren't the best in the nation this year.

thanks

my mistake on Moeller losing twice to St we all know that is Elder

BTW I tried to argue a few weeks back that Elder was better than moeller based on their head to head win

LOTS of Yappi posters came out of the woodworks to say no I was wrong based on Elders losses to teams Moeller beat

anyway I think Cinci HS football is great

I think a 4 team league by definition is flawed

I think the GCL IN NO WAY is the best league in the nation

[WrongPerson]

I think the GCL IN NO WAY is the best league in the nation

I think the GCL IN EVERY WAY is the best league in the nation.

[consumerman]

I think the GCL IN EVERY WAY is the best league in the nation.

based on what?

having an inordinately low number of teams?

having arguably one quality team?

being a homer?

[concha]

What is this perverse obsession with the GCL?

You want to use leverage one game to engineer the downfall of the GCL and glorify California? C'mon. FYI, I was at the Moe-MV game. MV is no great shakes. Yes, Moe lost. And their coach has caught a lot of heat over the years for losses such as this.

Why was Moe the #2 team in the GCL? Three teams tied for that honor. You omit the fact that #2 in the GCL this year also meant a 1-2 record.

Moe was humiliated by an Elder team that had no other Ohio wins versus a team with a winning record.

Moe's tourney win was a humiliating loss in the making that Sycamore blew through a series of 5 turnovers. They were down 21-0 mid-way through the 3rd and had the game handed to them.

Look, if you want the Trinity League to be the best, then great. You go, girl. I'm just a little curious as to what the Trinity League teams have done, though. The top three teams have played two notable non-league games this whole season and are 1-1. Wow. MD dropped 32 points to a 4-loss team from Utah.

Just exactly what about the Trinity League is supposed to strike fear throughout the nation?

[consumerman]

Just exactly what about the Trinity League is supposed to strike fear throughout the nation?

Meter Dei has one loss (to a fellow Trinity League team) and is currently nationally ranked

Orange Lutheran has 1 loss (to a fellow Trinity League team) and has been nationally ranked this year (were state D2 bowl champs last year)

Servite has 2 losses (one to a fellow Trinity League Team) and have been nationally ranked this year

lets compare to the GCL

St X - no losses - nationally ranled
Moeller - 4 losses - never nationally ranked this year
Elder - 4 losses - perhaps squeaked into the national rankings for 1-2 weeks

I would rate the teams this way

1. St X
2. Mater Dei
3. Orange Lutheran
4. Servite
5. Moeller
6. Elder

I think the biggest gap is between the #4 and #5 teams

I would rate the top three teams in the Trinity League as certainly better than the top three teams in the GCL

[concha]

I thought all of St X followers already annointed them NATIONAL CHAMPS becasue of their brutal schedule and going undefeated

which included

3 loss St Iggy which St X squeezed by by 3 in 3 overtimes, other teams beat them by as much as 21 [In a game in Cleveland, with a sophomore QB making his first start in high winds and versus a nationally-known 7-1 program whose defensive strength is against the run. Any Trinity League teams play in a game like that this year?]

2 loss De Matha who also barely beat a losing team 7-6 [Beating Dematha like a drum was a bad thing? They are 9-1 apart from the X game. I suppose Mater Dei dropping 32 points to a team from Utah with three in-state losses is a claim to fame?]

4 loss Moeller which lost to a cali team which could barely scrape together 5 wins in 9 games against cali competition [Five wins and a tie to be clear. Nobody is claiming Moe was great this year.]

4 loss Elder [Two of four losses to X. They beat Moe like a drum. One loss outside the league. They ended Indy's streak. I'm sure there are many 4-loss teams in California that are much better.]

a St Ed's team that sucked [Eds was bad for Eds. Their 5 losses were to teams with a combined 42-13 record. Since Cali teams don't schedule like Eds, your attempt to throw poo misses tha mark]

etc etc [X's opponents this year sport a combined 92-41 record this year. DLS's? 49-40-1. Mater Dei's? 54-35. etc etc etc...]

but the masses in Ohio have annointed St X national champion\\\

And please name the folks who make up "the masses in Ohio" who have annointed X national champions. Is this idiocy of yours due to the fact that DLS's top two opponents this year are a 7-3 NorCal team and the MV team you keep poo-pooing? Do an "Etc etc." on that.

[consumerman]

Mater Dei lost to once beaten Orange Lutheran
Orange Lutheran lost to twice beaten Servite
Servite lost to once beaten Mater Dei and twice beaten (and previosuly nationally ranked) Notre Dame


FYI Notre Dame lost to two teams that are or have been nationally ranked, Birmingham and Crespi

Moeller lost to 3 loss 1 tie Mission Viejo and 4 loss ELder as well As St X and Colerain

Elder lost to 5-5 LaSalle and 4-5 St Edwards as well as to St X twice

those TWO GCL teams have 4 losses to teams with 5 losses, 5 losses, 4 losses and 3 losses/1 tie COMBINED 17 LOSSES 1 TIE

the three Trinity teams have 4 losses to a team with 2 losses, and 3 teams with one loss COMBINED 5 LOSSES

[consumerman]

how many excuses this time for the ST X performance against St Iggy

4?
5?

lmao

sophomore QB gee what year was the St Iggy QB?

travel road game of 200 miles gee DLS traveled 500 miles to beat MV who traveled 2000 miles to beat a GCL team

a traditional power? that lost by 21 to another team this year

high winds?/ crybaby

etc etc

[consumerman]

that DLS's top two opponents this year are a 7-3 NorCal team and the MV team you keep poo-pooing? Do an "Etc etc." on that.

DLS led that 7-3 team (who play in a REAL league with 7 teams who a few days ago combined non-league record was 29-3-1 - compare that to the GCL non-league record) 34-0 at half

DLS beat MV by 28

DLS closest game this year was 40-22 a team they led 40-0 a few plays into the second half

contrast that to St X who took three overtimes to beat a 3 loss team by 3 points, that team lost to another team by 21 points

dont go there you aint got the cards

[consumerman]

MAter Dei blew out the Utah team

at least they didnt trail BIG TIME Like St X did against a KENTUCKY TEAM (lmao)

[consumerman]

that awesome St Eds team you refer to was outscored 185-125 this year

yet they beat Elder

125 points all year???

wow what a machine

DLS first three games this year
they had 116 points DURING THE FIRST HALF ALONE

[consumerman]

Mater Dei put 51 points up on nationally ranked Birmingham who is 9-1 in one of the most exciting games ever played

Birminham has outscored its other 9 opponents 410-122

[concha]

Just exactly what about the Trinity League is supposed to strike fear throughout the nation?

Meter Dei has one loss (to a fellow Trinity League team) and is currently nationally ranked [One notable non-league win in which they dropped 37 points. Dropped 32 at home to a team from Utah.]

Orange Lutheran has 1 loss (to a fellow Trinity League team) and has been nationally ranked this year (were state D2 bowl champs last year) [They've played nobody outside the league. Whoopee.]

Servite has 2 losses (one to a fellow Trinity League Team) and have been nationally ranked this year [Lost to ND in their biggest non-league game. Their only other non-league game that possibly matters was Edison in a 6-0 barnburner]

lets compare to the GCL

St X - no losses - nationally ranled
Moeller - 4 losses - never nationally ranked this year [Two losses to national top tens. One other in-league loss.]
Elder - 4 losses - perhaps squeaked into the national rankings for 1-2 weeks [Two of four losses to the national #2 ranked team. One other in-league.]

I would rate the teams this way [I'm sure you would]

1. St X
2. Mater Dei
3. Orange Lutheran
4. Servite
5. Moeller
6. Elder

I think the biggest gap is between the #4 and #5 teams [You would? Shocker :eek: . After all, Servite's 7 wins are over teams with a combined 30 losses. Their 4 non-league wins were to teams with 19 losses between them. The other one they lost.]

I would rate the top three teams in the Trinity League as certainly better than the top three teams in the GCL [You may want to wait for another win or two against decent competition outside the league, but that's up to you. Servite had played maybe three decent opponents this year. They are 1-2. Mater Dei had a rough time at home against a visiting utah team and dropped 37 in another game....]

When these teams have played anything like decent out of league comp (and this wasn't often), they've dropped big points in some, had close calls and a loss. Apart from the MD win over Centennial, in which MD dropped 37 points, what's there to really to harp on?

[NorrisHopper30]

Apparently no one is going to win this argument so let's go to an unbiased computer ranking system in Calpreps, GCL wins.

[concha]

how many excuses this time for the ST X performance against St Iggy

4?
5?

lmao

sophomore QB gee what year was the St Iggy QB? [Genius, X held the Iggy QB to 5/18 for 92 yards. The score was 7-7 at the end of regulation. Iggy had 11 yards rushing. It was defensive struggle. Continue to advertise your stupidity. Ignatius is one of the finest programs in Ohio, with nine D1 titles and at least a couple of national poll titles to their credit.]

travel road game of 200 miles gee DLS traveled 500 miles to beat MV who traveled 2000 miles to beat a GCL team [Professor, did DLS a sophomore QB in his first start on varsity? What possible connection is there between MV beating Moe and St. X playing Ignatius? Try to make some sense. i know it's hard for you, but at least try.]

a traditional power? that lost by 21 to another team this year [Yes. That team is in the final eight. They are a pass strong team and played Iggy in good weather. Get informed.]

high winds?/ crybaby [I suppose California sophomore QBs in their first varsity start 250 miles from home just tear apart opposing 7-1 teams despite 20+ mph winds. Right, Mr. Richard?]

etc etc

blah blah blah wonk wonk wonk

[WrongPerson]

based on what?

having an inordinately low number of teams?

having arguably one quality team?

being a homer?

Based on the overall play and records of all teams in all sports.

Thats why.

[consumerman]

blah blah blah wonk wonk wonk

most of iggys accomplishments were done 15 or more years ago

what does that have to do with 2007 in which they lost a game by 21 points?

as for sophomore quareterbacks

you better look up Matt Gutierrez at DLS

In 1999, in his third start he threw for 300 yards and 6 TD against Matt Leinart and Mater Dei

do some research next time

DLS went undefeated and did not have to excuse away 3 overtime 3 point wins a gainst a 3 loss team

[consumerman]

Servite beat a 9-1 Orange Lutheran that was nationally ranked

who did Moeller beat that was better than that??????

[consumerman]

What possible connection is there between MV beating Moe and St. X playing Ignatius? Try to make some sense.

YOU are the one that said plaqying in Cleveland (200 miles away) was an EXCUSE for ST X barely beating St iggy

I think a 500 mile road trip and a 2000 mile raod trip are much tougher, yet the cali teams won those games without making 4-5 excuses

[consumerman]

Mater Dei had a rough time at home against a visiting utah team

they did?

the game was in doubt? almost a 20 point win

st x TRAILED in a game against a Kentucky team BY DOUBLE DIGITS

who had a rougher time?

by the way I listened to the St X ELder playoff game on the St X radio station

the announcers COMPLAINED FOUR TIMES about the officiating in the 1st Quarter alone

typical crybabies

[consumerman]

7 of St Ignatius state titles are 13 years ago or older

they have not won since 2001 (7 seasons ago) and even then they were a stellar 4 loss team

that is like me saying DLS beat Mission Viejo, a 2 time national top three team (2004, 2005) by 28

what does what a team did 3-4 years ago have to do with this season?

let alone 13 years ago

point made!

[WrongPerson]

Do you have anything else better to do than say that R4 (and GCL specifically) sucks, while not showing any other better region and/or league?

[consumerman]

Do you have anything else better to do than say that R4 (and GCL specifically) sucks, while not showing any other better region and/or league?


I have said the Trinity League with 3 nationally ranked teams is very comparable to the GCL

can you READ?

I have sadi the WCAL with a non-league record of 29-3-1 compares with the non-league record of the GCL very well

can you READ?

I have said I am very surprised the R4 basically has 6 of 8 playoff teams from only 2 leagues, I thought a region would be much more diverse

you should reread the first post of this thread

[steeler 01]

Look, if you want the Trinity League to be the best, then great. You go, girl. I'm just a little curious as to what the Trinity League teams have done, though. The top three teams have played two notable non-league games this whole season and are 1-1. Wow. MD dropped 32 points to a 4-loss team from Utah.

Just exactly what about the Trinity League is supposed to strike fear throughout the nation?

The score was 50-25 with 30 seconds left and American Fork scored with 25 seconds left on the scrubs to make it 50-32.

[WrongPerson]

If those to compare so well to the GCL, then why is there a problem with saying that the GCL is a national powerhouse of a league?...I don't see it.

[consumerman]

If those to compare so well to the GCL, then why is there a problem with saying that the GCL is a national powerhouse of a league?...I don't see it.

as I see it

the problems are thee are only 4 teams
only 3 league games

and 3 of the 4 teams are hardly state powers let alone national powers

[WrongPerson]

All four of the teams were at one time or another in on the AP top 10 poll...don't see where they're not considered statewide powers. And how does 3 league games hinder the chances of showing what they're made of? If anything it helps them because they have to go out and play teams outside of the league more often.

And there is a difference between the GCL being a national powerhouse of a league and the members of the GCL being national powerhouses. Take for example the SEC...great college conference...but not every school in there is the best of the best...every league will have their doormats.

[consumerman]

All four of the teams were at one time or another in on the AP top 10 poll...don't see where they're not considered statewide powers

so now they are state powers

so moeller is a state power?

and lost to a team that struggled to win 5 of 9 games in california

[EaglePride01]

All four of the teams were at one time or another in on the AP top 10 poll...don't see where they're not considered statewide powers

so now they are state powers

so moeller is a state power?

and lost to a team that struggled to win 5 of 9 games in california

No matter what evidence he tries to use to help his argument, the answer to the question about the "other" GCL teams being state powers is a resounding NO.

Is it a competitive league? Absolutely. But the only team that proved themselves to be a state power at the end of the season was X. The others had their 5 minutes of fame and quickly faded out. No one but X could play at a consitently high level.

[WrongPerson]

as I see it

the problems are thee are only 4 teams
only 3 league games

and 3 of the 4 teams are hardly state powers let alone national powers

Thats why I said they're statewide powers.

This year the other 3 GCL schools were down, yet they still managed a combined record of 25-7 (14-6 top 1000 according to calpreps) in OOL play against strong teams. That is why I hold the GCL so high.

[concha]

that DLS's top two opponents this year are a 7-3 NorCal team and the MV team you keep poo-pooing? Do an "Etc etc." on that.

DLS led that 7-3 team (who play in a REAL league with 7 teams who a few days ago combined non-league record was 29-3-1 - compare that to the GCL non-league record) 34-0 at half [Good for them. "REAL" league? LMAO. What's next? A "yo' mama" joke?]

DLS beat MV by 28 [And?]

DLS closest game this year was 40-22 a team they led 40-0 a few plays into the second half [Was someone here saying DLS isn't good?]

contrast that to St X who took three overtimes to beat a 3 loss team by 3 points, that team lost to another team by 21 points [Keep humping this. You're like a horny monkey with a football. Ignatius lost to three teams with a combined 31-4 record. X was playing a sophomore QB in his first varsity start on a day with winds gusting over 30 mph. Ignatius is strong on run D and weaker against the pass. That you can't process the significance of this information is an advertisement of stupidity.]

dont go there you aint got the cards [Actually, we do. Next week. Colerain Cardinals. National top ten.]

.............

[concha]

MAter Dei blew out the Utah team

at least they didnt trail BIG TIME Like St X did against a KENTUCKY TEAM (lmao)

That Kentucky program has national top ten history, produced the likes of Brian Brohm and is a perennial contender or their state's big school title. St. X beat them by 18 after being down "big time". Think about that. Better yet, don't. You'll only hurt yourself and end up with some ridiculous conclusion.

[consumerman]

That Kentucky program has national top ten history, produced the likes of Brian Brohm and is a perennial contender or their state's big school title. St. X beat them by 18 after being down "big time". Think about that. Better yet, don't. You'll only hurt yourself and end up with some ridiculous conclusion.

i put it along with the ridiculous some utah team hung 32 on them (without mentioning they scored 50)

[concha]

that awesome St Eds team you refer to was outscored 185-125 this year

yet they beat Elder

125 points all year???

wow what a machine

DLS first three games this year
they had 116 points DURING THE FIRST HALF ALONE

I'm sure Eds would be happy to hear that you think they were awesome.

Eds was certainly no DLS this year and this was weakest Eds team in years, though they did face opponents with a combined 69-27 record. That is much better than the 49-40-1 record that the Spartans have faced.

DLS looks really good this year. Too bad they don't face anybody that anyone anywhere holds in high regard. It's real shame to have a team that good but have to beat up on cupcakes all year.

[consumerman]

I'm sure Eds would be happy to hear that you think they were awesome.

Eds was certainly no DLS this year and this was weakest Eds team in years, though they did face opponents with a combined 69-27 record. That is much better than the 49-40-1 record that the Spartans have faced.

DLS looks really good this year. Too bad they don't face anybody that anyone anywhere holds in high regard. It's real shame to have a team that good but have to beat up on cupcakes all year.

ya t hey could have played st eds who scored 125 points in 10 games

[concha]

Mater Dei put 51 points up on nationally ranked Birmingham who is 9-1 in one of the most exciting games ever played

Birminham has outscored its other 9 opponents 410-122

I believe it was Centennial. Not Birmingham.

And a ton of those points Centennial scored were against teams with 4 losses or losing records. They barely beat 7-3-1 CW the week before the MD game.

[consumerman]

DLS looks really good this year. Too bad they don't face anybody that anyone anywhere holds in high regard. It's real shame to have a team that good but have to beat up on cupcakes all year.

yeah too bad they did not get the same schedule they have had in other years

#1 LB Poly (2001)
#2 LB Poly (2002)
#2 Mater Dei (1998)
18 time state champ St. Louis (2002)
9 time state champ Evangel (2003)
2 national top ten teams (2004)
#3 Mission Viejo (2004)
#2 Mission Viejo (2005)

yeah DLS ducks any good teams, any fool knows that

(read that last line carefully concha, the key word is word #8)

[concha]

most of iggys accomplishments were done 15 or more years ago

what does that have to do with 2007 in which they lost a game by 21 points?

as for sophomore quareterbacks

you better look up Matt Gutierrez at DLS

In 1999, in his third start he threw for 300 yards and 6 TD against Matt Leinart and Mater Dei

do some research next time

DLS went undefeated and did not have to excuse away 3 overtime 3 point wins a gainst a 3 loss team

Iggy has three losses to teams with a combined 31-4 record. All three are still in the playoffs, I believe. Schedules like Iggy's are alien to Cali folk.


As regards Gutierrez, try to stay on topic, lad.

I'm guessing he was picked to start that year and thus had the preseason and 2 games under his belt. Leinart was a QB, so I'm not sure of the relevance to Gutierrez' performance.

So, it wasn't Gutierrez' first start. Try to let that sink in. And I think it's a fair bet that the game day weather didn't involve 30+ mph wind gusts.

Excellent effort at being completely irrelevant with your response.

[consumerman]

let's complie the stx vs st Ig excuses

1) we had to travel 200 miles (boo hoo)
2) it was an away game in cleveland (waaa)
3) we had to start a soph QB in his first start (boo hoo)
4) the team we played used to be good 15 years ago (waaaa)
5) it was windy (lmao, i mean waaaaa)
6) the other team plays good defense, particularly run defense (gee too bad)
7) although we can say we had good stats, the RESULT of the game was a 3 point win over a 3 loss team in 3 overtimes (waaaa)

now let's get to the excuses left out
1) the refs blew some calls
2) we outplayed them by a huge a margin, the score doesn't reflect that
3) those damn special teams cost us
4) that kick was good (not good) - combined #1 and #3
5) our coach is too conservative
6) the ball bounced the wrong way for us
7) we are better than we played, we play much better at the end of our season
8) our record isn't as bad as it looks, cuz we play teams that used to be good
9) although we lost, if we played again we would win I just know it

oops, these second set of excuses are for moeller, sorry

[consumerman]

Iggy has three losses to teams with a combined 31-4 record. All three are still in the playoffs, I believe. Schedules like Iggy's are alien to Cali folk.


As regards Gutierrez, try to stay on topic, lad.

I'm guessing he was picked to start that year and thus had the preseason and 2 games under his belt. Leinart was a QB, so I'm not sure of the relevance to Gutierrez' performance.

So, it wasn't Gutierrez' first start. Try to let that sink in. And I think it's a fair bet that the game day weather didn't involve 30+ mph wind gusts.

Excellent effort at being completely irrelevant with your response.


i think gutierrez had three completions after his first two games

you are right he was a seasoned passer after 3 passes

[concha]

Servite beat a 9-1 Orange Lutheran that was nationally ranked

who did Moeller beat that was better than that??????

How good is Lutheran? I mean, Servite is 1-2 against the three apparently good teams they've played. But Servite beat them. And Lutheran's non-league schedule? What does that prove?

[consumerman]

Iggy has three losses to teams with a combined 31-4 record

one was glenville

who lost to a cali team

(like moeller and like elder)

[concha]

What possible connection is there between MV beating Moe and St. X playing Ignatius? Try to make some sense.

YOU are the one that said plaqying in Cleveland (200 miles away) was an EXCUSE for ST X barely beating St iggy

I think a 500 mile road trip and a 2000 mile raod trip are much tougher, yet the cali teams won those games without making 4-5 excuses

No. It is a reasonable cause in combination with having a newbie at quarterback and 30+ mph winds. Nice cherry-picking. Try looking at arguments in their totality next time.

[consumerman]

How good is Lutheran? I mean, Servite is 1-2 against the three apparently good teams they've played. But Servite beat them. And Lutheran's non-league schedule? What does that prove?

i have seen lutheran twice

the div 2 bowl game last year and this year on tv

they have big aggressive players and a strong passing game and a go-for-it coach

i think they are excellent

i was surprised servite beat them

[consumerman]

No. It is a reasonable cause in combination with having a newbie at quarterback and 30+ mph winds. Nice cherry-picking. Try looking at arguments in their totality next time.

see post 63 and see what excuse makeing makes you look like

[concha]

i put it along with the ridiculous some utah team hung 32 on them (without mentioning they scored 50)

Of course you do. Anyone out there surprised? I mean, they've lost to the national #2 and the MW #5 ranked teams. So they must be weak.

But dropping 32 points at home to a Utah team with three in-state Utah losses is rock solid performance. LMAO.

[consumerman]

concha you are the same guy who FOR YEARS came to cali boards and said dls doesnt play anybody and cali sucks and if cali teams came to ohio they would get big losses from real powerful ohio teams

i would state as evidence:

dls over elder
MV over Moeller
LB Polyover Glenville



your habit of trying to add bold type to each line as a response when actually you say virtually nothing doesnt fool anyone

here is an example of your great debating skills and strategy:

DLS beat MV by 28 [And?]
wow provocative!

how could i ever respond

[concha]

yeah too bad they did not get the same schedule they have had in other years

#1 LB Poly (2001)
#2 LB Poly (2002)
#2 Mater Dei (1998)
18 time state champ St. Louis (2002)
9 time state champ Evangel (2003)
2 national top ten teams (2004)
#3 Mission Viejo (2004)
#2 Mission Viejo (2005)

yeah DLS ducks any good teams, any fool knows that

(read that last line carefully concha, the key word is word #8)

Knows is the key word? OK. I have no idea why, but if it matters to you, that's all that is important.

Nice history there. Irrelevant (this word pops up alot with you) to 2007, but impressive nonetheless.

[consumerman]

Knows is the key word? OK. I have no idea why, but if it matters to you, that's all that is important.

Nice history there. Irrelevant (this word pops up alot with you) to 2007, but impressive nonetheless.

the 8th word is FOOL

[concha]

let's complie the stx vs st Ig excuses

1) we had to travel 200 miles (boo hoo)
2) it was an away game in cleveland (waaa)
3) we had to start a soph QB in his first start (boo hoo)
4) the team we played used to be good 15 years ago (waaaa)
5) it was windy (lmao, i mean waaaaa)
6) the other team plays good defense, particularly run defense (gee too bad)
7) although we can say we had good stats, the RESULT of the game was a 3 point win over a 3 loss team in 3 overtimes (waaaa)

now let's get to the excuses left out
1) the refs blew some calls
2) we outplayed them by a huge a margin, the score doesn't reflect that
3) those damn special teams cost us
4) that kick was good (not good) - combined #1 and #3
5) our coach is too conservative
6) the ball bounced the wrong way for us
7) we are better than we played, we play much better at the end of our season
8) our record isn't as bad as it looks, cuz we play teams that used to be good
9) although we lost, if we played again we would win I just know it

oops, these second set of excuses are for moeller, sorry

When do you graduate from junior high?

[consumerman]

When do you graduate from junior high?

and WHICH excuse are you saying hasn't been offered?

WHICH?

[concha]

the 8th word is FOOL

DLS is an acronym. I usually distinguish between the two. Anyway, irrelevant as usual.

[concha]

i think gutierrez had three completions after his first two games

you are right he was a seasoned passer after 3 passes

Find out and let us know. He had the pre-season and two games under his belt. He was not playing in inclement weather. Your comparison is irrelevant. End of story.

[consumerman]

Find out and let us know. He had the pre-season and two games under his belt. He was not playing in inclement weather. Your comparison is irrelevant. End of story.

darn that wind was a great excuse, wish dls could use it

[consumerman]

as for DLS schedule this year

they scheduled serra
serra was the #2 ranked team in NORTTERN CALIFORNIA to start the year

they scheduled Palma, which was thought to contend for the Central Coast Section Championship

they scheduled Mission Viejo, year in and year out is a NATIONAL power, who this year beat a GCL playoff winning team

they scheduled Loyola, a catholic team from LA that has played for the SS Championship

I guess hindsight tells us that DLS should schedule different teams is that it?

maybe we should wait until the season is over then go back in time and have DLS play teams that were better than expected instead of not as good as expected?

SHEESH

same ol concha (jealous of DLS boy)

[consumerman]

Find out and let us know. He had the pre-season and two games under his belt. He was not playing in inclement weather. Your comparison is irrelevant. End of story.

what does he had pre=season mean?

Did St X have ONE QB take ALL their snaps in "pre-season" and through 7 0r 8 weeks of practice and games

did they?

if they did, therein lies the problem

if they didn't, your argument (as usual) crashes with a thud

[Chicago]

It rained during the California bowl games last year (at least during the first two).

That was a MAJOR factor, at least for me.

It was pretty depressing to go all the way to California just to be cold and wet.

And the breaks between games were very, very, very long.

Don't know if the teams were affected as much as I was, though.

[concha]

Iggy has three losses to teams with a combined 31-4 record

one was glenville

who lost to a cali team

(like moeller and like elder)

Yes. They did. To a 9-1 Cali team.

Glenville beat Poly statistically (221 yards to 186, about +5 minutes in TOP) and the game went down to the wire. Glenville is very dangerous, but kill themselves with turnovers and a very poor kicking game (awful is perhaps a better word).

Losing to Poly in a tight game is bad?

[concha]

i have seen lutheran twice

the div 2 bowl game last year and this year on tv

they have big aggressive players and a strong passing game and a go-for-it coach

i think they are excellent

i was surprised servite beat them

Yawn.

[concha]

and WHICH excuse are you saying hasn't been offered?

WHICH?

I proferred reasons. If you care to view them as excuses, then knock yourself out (repeatedly, please).

I haven't said anything like what you appear to be getting all worked up over. Are you having imaginary arguments with me in your head or something?

[consumerman]

Yes. They did. To a 9-1 Cali team.

Glenville beat Poly statistically (221 yards to 186, about +5 minutes in TOP) and the game went down to the wire. Glenville is very dangerous, but kill themselves with turnovers and a very poor kicking game (awful is perhaps a better word).

Losing to Poly in a tight game is bad?

oh i see glenvile has excuses as well

must be true for all ohio teams

[concha]

see post 63 and see what excuse makeing makes you look like

That made you look prepubescent.

It had nothing to do with me. Nice of you to try and share the credit though.

[consumerman]

It rained during the California bowl games last year (at least during the first two).

That was a MAJOR factor, at least for me.

It was pretty depressing to go all the way to California just to be cold and wet.

And the breaks between games were very, very, very long.

Don't know if the teams were affected as much as I was, though.

most DLS insiders say having to take finals the day of the game was the killer

I say losing to a better team was the reason

[consumerman]

X was playing a sophomore QB in his first varsity start on a day with winds gusting over 30 mph. Ignatius is strong on run D and weaker against the pass. That you can't process the significance of this information is an advertisement of stupidity.]

yes you are right

you didnt type the above

Luca Brasi held a gun to your head and forced you

there are FIVE excuses in that ONE sentence

[concha]

concha you are the same guy who FOR YEARS came to cali boards and said dls doesnt play anybody and cali sucks and if cali teams came to ohio they would get big losses from real powerful ohio teams

i would state as evidence:

dls over elder
MV over Moeller
LB Polyover Glenville



your habit of trying to add bold type to each line as a response when actually you say virtually nothing doesnt fool anyone

here is an example of your great debating skills and strategy:

DLS beat MV by 28 [And?]
wow provocative!

how could i ever respond

I'll write down here so you don't get upset anymore.

1) I believe you are referring to my opinion that DLS's streak would not have been as long had they played in Ohio D1. And I have posted very little on California boards ever. Your revisionism is hardly surprising.

2) If DLS's win over an Elder team that was spanked at least three other times that year and sat home for the Ohio D1 tourney is some sort of vindication for you, well, that's just grand.

3) If MV pulling out a win against Moe makes you feel like Cali had a win over the '76 national champion Crusaders, again I am thrilled for you. Moe is now home on the couch and would be there for two straight weeks now had their round one opponent not decided to turn the ball over 5 times in rapid succession. Ditto for Poly over Glenville. Tight games both that went down to the wire.

4) The "And?" is a request for you to apply some significance and relevance to the point. There was none. You are good that way.

[concha]

as for DLS schedule this year

they scheduled serra
serra was the #2 ranked team in NORTTERN CALIFORNIA to start the year

they scheduled Palma, which was thought to contend for the Central Coast Section Championship

they scheduled Mission Viejo, year in and year out is a NATIONAL power, who this year beat a GCL playoff winning team

they scheduled Loyola, a catholic team from LA that has played for the SS Championship

I guess hindsight tells us that DLS should schedule different teams is that it?

maybe we should wait until the season is over then go back in time and have DLS play teams that were better than expected instead of not as good as expected?

SHEESH

same ol concha (jealous of DLS boy)

Overreact much?

I simply pointed out that it must be disaapointing for DLS to have a very good team this year but no real competition worth talking about. Last year is, and here's that word again, irrelevant.

When you get to high school you may find out that calling people jealous is looked at as childish. I happen to think DLS is a great program and Lad may be the best high school coach ever. If that makes me jealous in your view, that's fine and dandy.

[concha]

what does he had pre=season mean?

Did St X have ONE QB take ALL their snaps in "pre-season" and through 7 0r 8 weeks of practice and games

did they?

if they did, therein lies the problem

if they didn't, your argument (as usual) crashes with a thud

Wow. Great argument. No defense against this rapier wit. My house of cards falls around me....

[concha]

oh i see glenvile has excuses as well

must be true for all ohio teams

I'm curious. What did you regard as an excuse?

Glenville DOES have an awful kicking game. That's just simple fact. It's brutally bad.

Two of Poly's three TDs were the result of Tarblooder turnovers. G'ville had 5 turnovers against St. X.

I get the feeling I could say "Glenville lost because they scored fewer points" and to you, that would be an excuse.

[concha]

X was playing a sophomore QB [Fact] in his first varsity start [Fact] on a day with winds gusting over 30 mph [Fact]. Ignatius is strong on run D [Fact]and weaker against the pass [Fact]. That you can't process the significance of this information is an advertisement of stupidity.]

yes you are right

you didnt type the above

Luca Brasi held a gun to your head and forced you

there are FIVE excuses in that ONE sentence

Sorry about typing up there in bold. I hope you aren't upset.


You appear to confuse facts with statements like "The refs homered us". Not surprising.

[consumerman]

here are relevant FACTS

St Xavier beat St Ignatius by 3 points
the game took 3 overtimes to be decided
that performance caused at least 2 polls to lower St Xavier in their rankings
St Ignatius finished the season 8-3

here are some less than relevant facts
the field was 100 yards long
one team wore dark jerseys one team wore traveling jerseys
the quarters were 12 minutes long

here are EXCUSES
we had to travel 200 miles
we had to start a sophomore quarterback (so did st ig)
it was his first start
there was weather elements like wind (I guess it was windy only when st x had the ball)
the other team used to be a state power 15 years ago
they have a good run defense
etc etc etc

[consumerman]

Overreact much?

I simply pointed out that it must be disaapointing for DLS to have a very good team this year but no real competition worth talking about. Last year is, and here's that word again, irrelevant.

When you get to high school you may find out that calling people jealous is looked at as childish. I happen to think DLS is a great program and Lad may be the best high school coach ever. If that makes me jealous in your view, that's fine and dandy.

as evidenced by this pearl:

Too bad they don't face anybody that anyone anywhere holds in high regard. It's real shame to have a team that good but have to beat up on cupcakes all year.

ya a playoff team from the wcal (29-3-1 in non league) games, ranked #2 in Norcal at the time of the game, is the DEFINITION of a cupcake

same ol (sorry to say) concha

[consumerman]

CONCHA

that cupcake that De La Salle beat

Serra

BTW the alma mater of Tom Brady, Lynn Swann, Gregg Jefferies and Barry Bonds

beat state #9, undefeated Bellarmine in the WCAL final

Bellarmine was the only NorCal team besides DLS that was rated in the state top ten

Ya concha's definition of a cupcake

oh, as a reminder, DLS led that hame 34-0 at half and 40-0 early in the thrid quarter

the Serra starting qb, who played the entire game, had two 90 plus yard TD RUNS against the DLS scrubs late in the game, final was 40-22

[concha]

here are relevant FACTS

St Xavier beat St Ignatius by 3 points
the game took 3 overtimes to be decided
that performance caused at least 2 polls to lower St Xavier in their rankings
St Ignatius finished the season 8-3

here are some less than relevant facts
the field was 100 yards long
one team wore dark jerseys one team wore traveling jerseys
the quarters were 12 minutes long

here are EXCUSES
we had to travel 200 miles
we had to start a sophomore quarterback (so did st ig)
it was his first start
there was weather elements like wind (I guess it was windy only when st x had the ball)
the other team used to be a state power 15 years ago
they have a good run defense
etc etc etc

Your intellect and comprehension are exceeded only by your charm.

[concha]

as evidenced by this pearl:

Too bad they don't face anybody that anyone anywhere holds in high regard. It's real shame to have a team that good but have to beat up on cupcakes all year.

ya a playoff team from the wcal (29-3-1 in non league) games, ranked #2 in Norcal at the time of the game, is the DEFINITION of a cupcake

same ol (sorry to say) concha

Is that Serra? THE Serra?

The Serra that has lost to a couple of teams that are 10-7 (and 3 ties!) between them?

Thanks for pointing it out. I stand corrected. Cupcake with sprinkles.

[consumerman]

Is that Serra? THE Serra?

The Serra that has lost to a couple of teams that are 10-7 (and 3 ties!) between them?

Thanks for pointing it out. I stand corrected. Cupcake with sprinkles.

go see the CCS WEST CATHOLIC THREAD And see how you rate the leauge and Serra

you will eat your words

[steeler 01]

How good is Lutheran? I mean, Servite is 1-2 against the three apparently good teams they've played. But Servite beat them.

I think Lutheran is one of the top 4 teams in socal. Servite was the only team to beat them last year also. Lutheran will make it at least to the semis in the pac 5. where they will play poly in a game I think is a toss up.