View Full Version : DIV 1: Hilliard Davidson -vs- Cincinnati Elder
HDvHS FAN
11-04-07, 08:49 AM
Tuesday at 7 at Cederville Univ.
thoughts??? predictions???
Statechamps02
11-04-07, 09:01 AM
Don't know anything about Hilliard other than they beat Elder in a pre-season tourney w/o Meyer and a few others?? Columbus always puts together some solid squads. Going to be a tough one. I have no doubt in the offense, but the D will have to step it up.
SoccerMan08
11-04-07, 09:58 AM
Don't know anything about Hilliard other than they beat Elder in a pre-season tourney w/o Meyer and a few others?? Columbus always puts together some solid squads. Going to be a tough one. I have no doubt in the offense, but the D will have to step it up.
Lookout Hillard -- Meyer will be ready this time.
HDvHS FAN
11-04-07, 11:30 AM
http://s203908443.onlinehome.us/highschoolsoccerohio/team.aspx?T=2&Y=2007
heres the schedule and results.
Davidson is a program on the rise. 06 and 07 OCC and District Champs. Last year they lost in the Regional Final to Kettering Fairmont in PK's.
Led by All-Ohioan #3 Colby Catlett
Davidson plays best offensivly when the ball is going through #3 Catlett, #11 Jon Reasoner and #10 Sean Ryan. Catlett and Reasoner love the ball at their feet and Ryan is probably the top defender in central ohio and loves to make alot of runs forward
Davidson has a young but very skilled defense that starts 2 sophomores. #8 Duncan Campbell (So.) is very solid despite his lack of size. #16 Jimmy Caudill (So.) anchors the defense at sweeper is skilled in the air and makes runs forward occasionally for free kicks and corner kicks.
GK #2 Steven Fitzpatrick has started since his freshman year and HUGE in big game situations. Fitz lives for games like this and always brings his A game. Tends to be looked down apon dew to his lack of size as a keeper (only 5'9"ish)
The key for this team is their senior leadership, they have 13 seniors on this team, 7 of them have 3+ years of varsity expierience.
Cats are coached by Terry Smith who is in his 5th year as head coach and has an overall record of 58-24-14. He has led this program to 2 league titles, 2 district titles, and a regional title which is good for a team that won 4 games the year before he came
2007: 16-2-2
2006: 16-2-3
2005: 10-4-3
2004: 10-5-4
2003: 6-11-2
HDvHS FAN
11-04-07, 01:12 PM
any info on Elder would be great, from what i hear they love the long throws and #10 is their stud.
ColerainWinsAgain
11-04-07, 07:46 PM
any info on Elder would be great, from what i hear they love the long throws and #10 is their stud.
Elder is a terrible team, you should overlook them, and don't worry about coming out and playing hard, you won't need to to win this game. Actually, you might as well bring the freshman team ;) That'll make it an easy one for the Panthers... Actually from what I've seen they're a very good team, and you know just about everything you need to know about them, love the long throws and Meyer is a stud.
Mason Owns
11-04-07, 08:25 PM
Davidson defended the best long throws I've seen out of a team in Kilbourne, if that is the only way that Elder has of scoring than expect them to be held to 0. Although it seems like everyone says they are going to lose and keep winning, so they could prove me wrong, I will be at this game though at Cedarville, is this a good field?
colby is an absolute stud. definately one of the best players in the state. he will be tough for elder to handle but i don't know much about the rest of the hilliard team.
DOWNTOWN PANTHER
11-04-07, 08:56 PM
I dont know ANYTHING about soccer. I just think its cool to see Elder having such a great season.
GO PANTHERS!!
FYI... Meyer is the "throw-in specialist." He also has 26 goals this year. Seeing how he can't be in two places at once, I would agree with Luke and say that HD may defend the throw-in, but what are they going to do when Meyer has the ball at his feet?
LastMin
11-04-07, 09:47 PM
this is going to be a very very very close game..i believe these teams will kill eachother until the last mins...good luck elder...bring home the hardware
Pantherontheporch
11-05-07, 01:48 AM
Good luck to the Panthers, this team has gone further in the tournament than any other Elder soccer team. I'm sure they're happy to be regional champs, but why stop winning now? May as well bring home the big trophy.
I am no soccer expert by any means, but I will try to get there. Too bad Elder doesn't have any guys that go by only one name, then they would be the prohibitive favorite.
HDvHS FAN
11-05-07, 05:45 AM
When Meyer's has the ball you can probably expect #8 Campbell or #10 Ryan to be on him. Campbell is an excellent on ball defender that all year has shut down big time forwards (Kellogg- desales, Walls- UA) Also Sean Ryan is one of the best defenders i've seen. He has alot of speed and is just flat out strong and able to muscle the ball from most people.
Meyer vs. Campbell/Ryan should be a great part of this game to watch and should be a huge factor in each teams success/failure.
This will be a very evenly matched game that will take the full 80 atleast to decide a winner.
Key Factors- Meyer for Elder and Catlett for Davidson. If these two are on their A game this should be one helluva game.
Also Davidson's Role/Bench players will be very key. I expect Catlett to be heavily marked so the way they step up in this game will be the ultimate factor..
Prediction
Davidson 2 Elder 1
FormerWildcat
11-05-07, 08:23 AM
http://s203908443.onlinehome.us/highschoolsoccerohio/team.aspx?T=2&Y=2007
heres the schedule and results.
That site has the wrong opponent for the regional final win. It was Worthington Kilbourne, not Thomas Worthington.
The Davidson defense has been pretty stingy this year. Here's the article of the regional final win over Kilbourne.
One for the defense: Defender punches in rebound to lift Davidson to win (http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2007/11/04/hs_socc_d1boys04.ART_ART_11-04-07_C3_QP8BV1F.html?sid=101)
As the Kilbourne coach said in the article, all of the games tend to be very tight this time of year. I hope Davidson's experience from last year pulls them through. Go 'Cats!
FormerWildcat
11-05-07, 08:28 AM
BTW, here's some info on Yellow Jacket Field at Cedarville University.
http://yellowjackets.cedarville.edu/2007-08/msoccer/msohome.htm
It's fairly new, but only seats 2,000 people. I'm not sure how many fans soccer state semifinals games tend to get, but 2,000 sounds low. It looks like there's only seating on one side as well.
It's also a grass surface, which may or may not be important. I've noticed that the ball skips across FieldTurf a bit quicker, though. There is a noticable difference between playing on grass, and playing on FieldTurf, IMO.
Grizz09
11-05-07, 09:27 AM
Elder only has a long throw, Meyer is a strong player but is not extraordinarily quick with the ball at his feet
LastMin
11-05-07, 11:42 AM
elder has the cast to win state this year..they just need to hold it together for the next 2 games
StXSoccer16
11-05-07, 11:47 AM
my advice for HD would be to somehow get a game tape from the elder stx game earlier in the season to see what x did to stop meyer because im pretty sure x is the only team to score 3 on elder and beat them by 2 while holding meyer in check. but im still going for the gcl so i think elder will win.
Statechamps02
11-05-07, 04:15 PM
That was by not having Corbett in the first half to get Meyer involved early. Also, poor keeper decisions played a part in two of those st.x goals. OTher than that, when Corbett showed up 2nd half Elder dominated. Meyer was just off his mark that night. I will say that St.X defended in the air VERY well.
Mason Owns
11-05-07, 06:28 PM
HD Manager....Campbell obviously didn't shut down Kellogg from Desales because they lost 3-0. However, I do know that Campbell has been huge for Davidson, I would also go as far to say that he has stepped up the most for the team this year in the post season. But You don't get better than Sean Ryan, he will mark Meyer up fine. Sean is the best on the ball defender that I have seen all year.
HDvHS FAN
11-05-07, 06:36 PM
HD Manager....Campbell obviously didn't shut down Kellogg from Desales because they lost 3-0. However, I do know that Campbell has been huge for Davidson, I would also go as far to say that he has stepped up the most for the team this year in the post season. But You don't get better than Sean Ryan, he will mark Meyer up fine. Sean is the best on the ball defender that I have seen all year.
Kellogg did not score in that game.
HDvHS FAN
11-05-07, 08:04 PM
Man, sitting that bench is gonna be sooooo cold.
Statechamps02
11-05-07, 08:49 PM
I think soccer programs need to invest in the heated benches like football teams have.
ColerainWinsAgain
11-05-07, 09:01 PM
I think soccer programs need to invest in the heated benches like football teams have.
Which football programs have heated benches :shrug:
Statechamps02
11-05-07, 10:16 PM
I was just speaking for soccer in general. Most D1 college programs do. High school teams get to utilize them at Nippert. Never seen a soccer team with heated benches, not even EPL.
dgains15
11-06-07, 02:25 PM
where do you go to look at the hilliard davidson stats?
awayfan
11-06-07, 06:41 PM
Just got an update HD is up 1-0 at half
awayfan
11-06-07, 07:09 PM
HD up 2-0 20 min left to play
hdvhsmgr
11-06-07, 07:35 PM
Final
Hilliard Davidson 3, Elder 0
CreekAlum06
11-06-07, 07:42 PM
Final
Hilliard Davidson 3, Elder 0
lol ....I didn't think Elder was all that good..pretty much a one trick pony......maybe if they had moved the game to Elder's backyard at the last minute and hired the fattest refs in the league, they would have had a chance. But HEY...I'n not bitter!!!
was the rook-e
11-06-07, 07:53 PM
Mr.Bill, pantherdad, and luke where are you guys? how were the refs?
PantherDad
11-06-07, 08:26 PM
Mr.Bill, pantherdad, and luke where are you guys? how were the refs?
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No idea how the refs were because i didn't go to the game. I had a meeting tonight for work, but my Son went to the game. He called me at halftime and said Elder was playing boomball and HD was controlling the game. The better team won from what my Son told me after the game was over!
Great season for the Panthers...They have nothing to hang their heads about!!!
PantherDad
11-06-07, 08:29 PM
lol ....I didn't think Elder was all that good..pretty much a one trick pony......maybe if they had moved the game to Elder's backyard at the last minute and hired the fattest refs in the league, they would have had a chance. But HEY...I'n not bitter!!!
That "one trick pony" whooped the 'creeks -----!!! Go step on some grapes!
Uhhh....Beavercreek and Elder are probably pretty darn close in distance to Princeton, so the "backyard" quote is wrong, Son!
"One trick pony" my butt! Elder crushed Beavercreek. The fact is the Panthers made the final 4 in D1 soccer which is a great achievement! It's also a fact that the level of competition at this stage is so intense, even great teams can lose.
So congratulations Elder, you exceeded expectations and won a very strong region 4.
CreekAlum06
11-06-07, 08:59 PM
"One trick pony" my butt! Elder crushed Beavercreek. The fact is the Panthers made the final 4 in D1 soccer which is a great achievement! It's also a fact that the level of competition at this stage is so intense, even great teams can lose.
So congratulations Elder, you exceeded expectations and won a very strong region 4.
3-2...wow..what a "crush" and Elder IS a one trick pony..without Meyer ..who is a great player and had a great game...Elder loses the game to creek 2-0..But they DID have Meyer and they won dispite a BS field change from Dayton to Cincy at the last minute in Elders favor and the crappiest refs in history (as conceded by everyone..having said this Elder is to be congratulated..Meyer and Corbett has carried them further than they should have gone
CreekAlum-You know why the field was changed, don't you? Because it makes better sense to have 1 team drive to Cincy, than have 2 teams that are less than 20 miles apart drive to Cincy.
totalvp
11-06-07, 09:25 PM
Because it makes better sense to have 1 team drive to Cincy, than have 2 teams that are less than 20 miles apart drive to Cincy.
Of course it makes sense, but when has the OHSAA ever made sense. Riddle me this Gview, why did OHSAA make Alter and Carroll both drive to Cincinnati (@ Sycamore), and have McNick and Watterson play in Centerville (which is much closer to Carroll and Alter), when both Watterson aan McNick are basically off of I-71, which Sycamore is just off of?
HDvHS FAN
11-06-07, 09:50 PM
It was a good game, Davidson started off very sloppy but slowly gained full control of this game, Elder had their chances but just couldn't finish. Congrats to Elder on reaching this game.
Man, friday night is going to be the best moment of my life
Statechamps02
11-06-07, 10:13 PM
Hilliard Davidson has some studs on that team. They controlled the air. It sucks that it was snowing a little and was very windy. Elder only had a few throw-ins against the wind. But Hilliard won everythig in the midfield. Elder had some early chances. Hilliard's first goal was kind of slow rolling...don't know what happened. Elder came out strong in the second half, hit a free kick of the crossbar in the first minute. Controlled alot of the second half when they actually started to string some passes together. Hilliard scored off a counter and then a header off a corner to put the game away. Elder missed 3 easy chances in the second half. Elder didn't play too well tonight. Congrats to Hilliard Davidson, best team I've seen all year. #3,10, and 11 are studs.
I will say that for being in the final four, HD didn't bring many fans. About 300 Elder students showed up and about another 200 adults. HD might of brought only 100 fans. Kind of disappointed in the Columbus support.
Refs were pretty good tonight, no complaints. Center ref was actually the best I've seen all year. He let the kids play and made the right and necessary calls.
Great season Elder. Knocked off two undefeated, ranked opponents and made it the farthest Elder has ever been.
tinman13
11-06-07, 10:45 PM
lol ....I didn't think Elder was all that good..pretty much a one trick pony......maybe if they had moved the game to Elder's backyard at the last minute and hired the fattest refs in the league, they would have had a chance. But HEY...I'n not bitter!!!
One trick pony? they knocked off two undefeated teams in a row, both top 5 teams in the state?
someones a little mad their team lost and didn't make it to state?:shrug:
It IS funny how many sour grapes circulate around this arena.
The better team won tonight. Refs were OK. No big misses tonight, as in previous matches.
#11, #3, and #8 on Davidson... Wow. Nice playin' boys. Lots o'boom ball outta my Panthers. What beat Mason and B'Creeek could not beat H.D.
FYI... #11 on HD... Wow. One more time... Wow.
HDvHS FAN
11-07-07, 05:40 AM
#11, #3, and #8 on Davidson... Wow. Nice playin' boys. Lots o'boom ball outta my Panthers. What beat Mason and B'Creeek could not beat H.D.
FYI... #11 on HD... Wow. One more time... Wow.
Colby(#3) and Sean(#10) have always been our work horses, but Jon(#11) has really really stepped up for our team this year. His ball skills are very good and he loves takin on defenders.
...but Jon(#11) has really really stepped up for our team this year. His ball skills are very good and he loves takin on defenders.
This was very obvious. He was strong and quick and could make the turn on the defenders near the end line.
On his 2nd goal, he ran 1/4 of the field unmarked and tucked away the crossing pass. Why the Panthers let him go and/or how they lost track of him during his run is beyond me.
FormerWildcat
11-07-07, 08:12 AM
I think Davidson's experience from last year really paid off here. It's really hard to win state titles (or even get to the title game) without some previous experience in the later rounds.
Good luck to the 'Cats on Friday! I wish it was Saturday, so I could get into town for it, but oh well. I find it odd that the boys DI final isn't on Saturday night. They should have the boys DIII and girls DII games on Friday.
Hilliard Davidson 3 Elder 0: Davidson puts brakes on close calls (http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2007/11/07/hs_soccer107.ART_ART_11-07-07_C3_748D7R2.html?sid=101)
Hilliard Davidson 3 Elder 0
Davidson puts brakes on close calls
Wednesday, November 7, 2007 3:32 AM
By Jeff Thitoff
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
CEDARVILLE, Ohio -- After a run of close playoff games, Hilliard Davidson needed a chance to catch its breath. In a Division I boys soccer semifinal last night, Davidson did just that and used a suffocating offense in a 3-0 win over Cincinnati Elder.
Jon Reasoner had two goals and Colby Catlett a goal and an assist, and Davidson (18-2-2) advanced to play Sylvania Northview or Massillon Jackson on Friday in Crew Stadium. Davidson took 11 shots on goal and limited Elder to three.
"They were pushing up and trying to counterattack, and it left their defense exposed and we were able to take advantage," Catlett said. "The last two or three games have been crunch time the last few minutes. It's a lot better feeling being up 3-0 in the last five minutes,"
Reasoner started the scoring when he took a pass from Sean Ryan late in the first half and put the ball past goalkeeper David Hurley.
Cincinnati Elder had an opportunity to tie the score early in the second half when Anthony Meyer fed Miles Lacey with a perfect pass, but Lacey's shot missed wide right.
Reasoner made it 2-0 near the midway point of the second half when Catlett penetrated, saw Hurley charging and placed the ball for Reasoner, who easily scored.
"Colby made a great run … and there was a wide open net," Reasoner said. "If I missed that one, I was going to be killing myself for the next week."
Elder (18-4) continued to try to force the action to get back in the game. Meyer missed a header with 11 minutes remaining, and less than a minute later a shot by Steve Schaefer was deflected by Davidson goalie Steven Fitzpatrick. With 6:30 left, Fitzpatrick deflected another Meyer attempt.
This time last year, an offensive stalwart such as Meyer might have forced Davidson coach Terry Smith to make a change defensively, but he resisted last night. Meyer entered the game with 26 goals and 12 assists.
"A year ago, we made changes in games or against certain players or in certain situations, but all season we have (done) what we've always done," Smith said. "We're not out here trying to find their best player. We're not going to do anything different on Friday -- just go out there and execute and try to win it."
The last goal came in the 76th minute when Jeremiah Detmer hit a free kick from 30 yards that Catlett was able to head in past Hurley.
jthitoff@dispatch.com
I think Davidson's experience from last year really paid off here. It's really hard to win state titles (or even get to the title game) without some previous experience in the later rounds.
Elder was regional runner-up to Fairfiled, the eventual state runner-up, in 2006. Elder had the experience; they just didn't have the better team last night.
"...it left their defense exposed and we were able to take advantage," Catlett said.
Maybe. But the three goals had nothing to do with Elder pushing up or worrying about counter-attacking.
SK Revisited
11-07-07, 09:21 AM
From what I hear Elder could have used their defenders from last year. Congrats to HD and congrats to Elder on another great season and representing the GCL well!
HilliardCats
11-07-07, 09:54 AM
The D1 State Football playoffs are Saturday nights. Alot of high schools are using soccer plays now in the kicking game. If Davidson can get a win Friday night Colby Catlett will end up with 2 Ohio D1 State Championship rings. Let go cats.
BobbyWebb08
11-07-07, 10:21 AM
can any one say BALLER! he balled on them all night
FormerWildcat
11-07-07, 11:32 AM
The D1 State Football playoffs are Saturday nights. Alot of high schools are using soccer plays now in the kicking game.
Good point. I noticed that the DII boys final is on Saturday to avoid any potential conflicts with the DII football playoffs, which are played on Fridays.
FormerWildcat
11-07-07, 11:32 AM
Elder was regional runner-up to Fairfiled, the eventual state runner-up, in 2006. Elder had the experience; they just didn't have the better team last night.
Did Elder have a lot of guys on this year's team who played in the regional final last year? I think Davidson brought back almost the entire team from last year.
cincysports4
11-07-07, 11:37 AM
Did Elder have a lot of guys on this year's team who played in the regional final last year? I think Davidson brought back almost the entire team from last year.
Elder was missing one of their best players last night, Keith Kreidenweis, their sweeper.
FormerWildcat
11-07-07, 12:21 PM
Elder was missing one of their best players last night, Keith Kreidenweis, their sweeper.
That really didn't answer my question. Let me ask it a different way. How many senior starters did Elder have on last year's team?
That really didn't answer my question. Let me ask it a different way. How many senior starters did Elder have on last year's team?
I assume you mean, how many of this year's senior starters were on Varsity last year? If so:
Hurley - GK
Corbett #3 (4th yr on Varsity)
Lacey #4
Kreidenweis #2 (4th yr on Varsity)
Meyer #10 (4th yr on Varsity)
Doran #6
Bertke #5
Gramke #7
Not sure if ALL these guys started this year, but... you get the picture.
Also with experience:
Hice #17 (3rd yr on Varsity, Junior this year)
Schaefer #12 (2nd yr on Varsity, Junior this year)
Almost certain that both of these guys started this year.
The other 10 players were playing their first year of Varsity this year. Of those 10, five of them are non-seniors. In all, and if I have my numbers right, seven Panthers will/could return to Varsity next year.
PantherDad
11-07-07, 01:53 PM
Elder was missing one of their best players last night, Keith Kreidenweis, their sweeper.
Why didn't he play?
Wow, that's huge not having a 4 year varsity player for this game.
I heard his name called last night on a substitution. Any other info, cincysports4??
cincysports4
11-07-07, 03:38 PM
Why didn't he play?
Wow, that's huge not having a 4 year varsity player for this game.
Keith was injured with a broken foot. The doctor said he could play but was very limited.
cincysports4
11-07-07, 03:39 PM
And yes a 4 year starter would of made a difference in this game. But unfortunately he was hurt and Hilliard moves on. Stuff like this happens.
FormerWildcat
11-07-07, 03:48 PM
I assume you mean, how many of this year's senior starters were on Varsity last year?
Actually, no. I was asking how many starters from last year's team graduated.
BTW, I doubt one guy makes a three goal difference.
HDvHS FAN
11-07-07, 04:35 PM
Alright i'm guessing nobody else noticed this but to me and the rest of our team it's hilarious.
Colby Catlett (#3) and Sean Ryan (#10) are very close friends who are both huge competitors. They will do almost anything to 1+ eachother. I remember during fitness week the constant bickering over who was running better, who won this race and all sorts of stuff
When we took the team picture at the beginning of the season something was wrong with Sean in the picture, so the photographer tried to photoshop a new picture of Sean onto his body. When we got the picture and were about to send it to the AD and the people who made our programs we realized a huge error. The photographer accidently put Colby's head onto Sean's body. It was soo funny to everyone on the team.
SOOOOO.....
I was looking at the program from the game last night after i got home and saw that the originel team photo that featured the 2 Colby's had somehow made its way onto the State Semi Final program.
If you got a program take a look at the HD pic. if not or you weren't there have a look here.
http://i14.tinypic.com/85yqy3o.jpg
cincysports4
11-07-07, 05:27 PM
Actually, no. I was asking how many starters from last year's team graduated.
BTW, I doubt one guy makes a three goal difference.
Max Hoffman (GK) Mount Saint Joseph College - Starter for both elder and Mt.
Dan Miller (Center mid) Thomas More College - Starter for both elder and TMC
Adam Bertke (Def) Thomas More College - Start for both elder and TMC
Eddie Doerflein (Def) - 4 year starter and played for CUP
Justin Hayhow (Def)
I think that is all of them. But 4 of the 5 were key factors. 3 out of the 5 were all gcl and 1 was all city.
Statechamps02
11-07-07, 06:22 PM
Basically, Elder had a whole new defense this year(which was their achilles heel). The rest of the team was pretty much the same except for a really good center-mid that graduated.
CreekAlum06
11-07-07, 07:53 PM
Of course it makes sense, but when has the OHSAA ever made sense. Riddle me this Gview, why did OHSAA make Alter and Carroll both drive to Cincinnati (@ Sycamore), and have McNick and Watterson play in Centerville (which is much closer to Carroll and Alter), when both Watterson aan McNick are basically off of I-71, which Sycamore is just off of?
EXCACTLY!..this wasn't about who had to to drive where or some sense of reasonableness....It was either about the money (moving Elder soccer fans closer to their football game that night) or about taking away Beavercreek's clear advantage on a field that they had played on 5 times (and doubling the Elder fan attendence while reducing Beavercreek's in half). Look I'm not bitter about the result, I can live with that. I just hate what appears to be corrupt (ie about the money or taking away an advantage) behavior, its not the leason to teach the players. I just think that changing the rules less than 48 hours before the game is Bullsh*t! If this was a matter of convenience, the other games would have been changed as well...this is not "sour garapes" about the result ...the point is...why change anything at all! Trust me, this was not merely about convenience...
Statechamps02
11-08-07, 12:23 AM
It is about money. OHSAA is always about money. But why should Beavercreek have a home field advantage over Elder?? They came out of two different brackets. There was no overall number one seed, so BC can't use that. I don't see why it matters. If anything, it made the game more fair because teams had almost an equal amount of drive time. It took me 30 minutes to get there. However, I agree that there wasn't sufficient notice about the game change. You can thank OHSAA for always putting boy's soccer last on the priority list.
goggles10
11-10-07, 03:41 PM
why does it matter anymore? elder got smashed against davidson. its over. lets drop it
I think there would have been maybe not as many Elder fans, but surely a lot.
goggles, does that even matter? Davidson won the whole thing. Its over. Lets drop it. By saying Elder got smashed against Davidson you are asking some high school kid to come on here and post a huge rant and rave which will in turn become a giant argument.
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