Hate to do this

[consumerman]

But

St Xavier 28. Moeller 14

Mission Viejo 26, Moeller 22 (MV travels 2,000 miles)

De La Salle 35, Mission Viejo 7 (DLS travels 400 miles)

St X is 14 points better than Moeller
MV is 4 points better than Moeller
DLS is 28 points better than MV

based on these scores, would St X beat MV by 28 as DLS did?
would DLS beat Moeller by 14 as St X did

we would have to assume the answer to the first question is no as ST X beat a team MV beat by 14 so it reasons that they would beat MV by less, since MV beat them also

we assume DLS who beat MV by 28, who beat Moeller by 4 would certainly beat Moeller by more than 14 that ST X did

St X dropped several rungs in some of the polls last week

will that continue this week

[letharion]

You know that hunch you had that made you write "hate to do this"? You should have listened to it. Way too many variables involved in such-score based assumptions to create strong predictions.

[WildcatCrusader]

But

St Xavier 28. Moeller 14

Mission Viejo 26, Moeller 22 (MV travels 2,000 miles)

De La Salle 35, Mission Viejo 7 (DLS travels 400 miles)

St X is 14 points better than Moeller
MV is 4 points better than Moeller
DLS is 28 points better than MV

based on these scores, would St X beat MV by 28 as DLS did?
would DLS beat Moeller by 14 as St X did

we would have to assume the answer to the first question is no as ST X beat a team MV beat by 14 so it reasons that they would beat MV by less, since MV beat them also

we assume DLS who beat MV by 28, who beat Moeller by 4 would certainly beat Moeller by more than 14 that ST X did

St X dropped several rungs in some of the polls last week

will that continue this week

St. X is is overated, everyone here has been saying Mooney is better for awhile.

[PhillyBomber]

St. X is is overated, everyone here has been saying Mooney is better for awhile.

Righttttt....

Only people who have no idea what they are talking about.

Toughest schedule ever, and the result? 10-0. Can't make a better argument for a #1.

[consumerman]

Righttttt....

Only people who have no idea what they are talking about.

Toughest schedule ever, and the result? 10-0. Can't make a better argument for a #1.

huh?

you took 3 overtimes to beat SI

and SI lost previously

what was the score of the SI loss (not St X)

you beat what everyone agrees is a so-so Moeller team by 14

not as impressive as you are trying to make it

___________________

oh St X beat a team by 3 in 3 overtimes that lost 38-17 to another team

what does that say?

[WestSideBomber]

Why did everyone suddenly forget that the Iggy game was the first start for a Sophomore who had only been on the Varsity roster for a week? Then driving 200+ miles to beat top 10 in the state Iggy in Cleveland. Bottom line is X played the toughest schedule in the nation and went 10-0. They did this without Darius for 4 of those games and the last 2 without their starting QB. Why all of the sudden is X overrated???

But no, you didn't hate to do this.

[NorrisHopper30]

huh?

you took 3 overtimes to beat SI

and SI lost previously

what was the score of the SI loss (not St X)

you beat what everyone agrees is a so-so Moeller team by 14

not as impressive as you are trying to make it

___________________

oh St X beat a team by 3 in 3 overtimes that lost 38-17 to another team

what does that say?

It was a sophomore quarterback's first game in his career against a formidable opponent in St Ignatius.

I've said it before and i'll say it again, transitive property can't be used effectively in high school football or any football football for that matter.

Did you ever think a team with the toughest schedule in the nation might be a little beaten up after 8 games and a Sophomore quarterback? Cut the team some slack, they have played their butts off all season..give credit where it is due consumerman. I know it's tough

[WestSideBomber]

I love this example of comparing scores.

Last year, X beat Moeller by 21.

Moeller then took Colerain to triple OT (I think?) and lost.

Man, I guess X should've beaten up on Colerain then!

It doesn't work like Math class!

[consumerman]

Why did everyone suddenly forget that the Iggy game was the first start for a Sophomore who had only been on the Varsity roster for a week? Then driving 200+ miles to beat top 10 in the state Iggy in Cleveland. Bottom line is X played the toughest schedule in the nation and went 10-0. They did this without Darius for 4 of those games and the last 2 without their starting QB. Why all of the sudden is X overrated???

But no, you didn't hate to do this.

what class was the QB for SI???

[consumerman]

I love this example of comparing scores.

Last year, X beat Moeller by 21.

Moeller then took Colerain to triple OT (I think?) and lost.

Man, I guess X should've beaten up on Colerain then!

It doesn't work like Math class!

Colerain was SMOKING Moeller before Moeller made a miracle (almost) comeback

[NorrisHopper30]

Colerain was SMOKING Moeller before Moeller made a miracle (almost) comeback

But what was the final score? You know there are 4 quarters right? (7 in this case)

[consumerman]

It was a sophomore quarterback's first game in his career against a formidable opponent in St Ignatius.

I've said it before and i'll say it again, transitive property can't be used effectively in high school football or any football football for that matter.

Did you ever think a team with the toughest schedule in the nation might be a little beaten up after 8 games and a Sophomore quarterback? Cut the team some slack, they have played their butts off all season..give credit where it is due consumerman. I know it's tough

what makes it the toughest schedule in the nation?

your opinion?

Ohio newspapers?

Yappi members?

De Matha beat a 3-4 team 7-6

wow what a power

ELder?
Moeller?
LaSalle?
St. Eds

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SI - a team that got blown out by a D4 school?

Bishop Chatard?

a D3 team in Indiana?

you really believe this propganda?

[WestSideBomber]

what class was the QB for SI???

Sophomore, but that has nothing to do with Iggy's D (or X's D for that matter). But, I will point this out. Great teams find a way to win. X has been on the ropes all season long with injuries, but they still went 10-0.

Adversity cause some men to break; others to break records.
-William A. Ward

[consumerman]

St. Xavier's schedule was the toughest in the country bar none.

Iggy played a bad game against a very good Mentor game and ST. X traveled 200 miles (about).

WW finished 7-3 and is going to the playoffs, Dematha has 1 loss and is in line to run the table, Glenville has 2 losses, given up 6 pts and won 7 straight since X beat them, Trinity's only other loss was to Louisville St. X, Chatard is 7-3, Elder is 7-3 and unbeaten since X beat them, X dismantled LaSalle and Eds, beat arguably the second best team in the state in Iggy, and beat Moeller, who is a playoff team.

All but LaSalle and Eds are going to the playoffs and both just missed it.... thats 8 of their 10 opponents.

They have the toughest schedule in the nation and play in the best conference in the nation.

Last, everyone who has seen them more than once or twice agrees Moeller has gotten MUCH better since they played MV and Elder.

Congratulations on your win over Mission Viejo. Don't try and downgrade X's success please.


What makes a 4 team conference with one good team and a bunch of mediocre teams the best conference in the country?

Moeller? A team that lost to MV by 4, who in turn lost to DLS by 28?
Elder a team that Moeller put over 40 on in one half?

De Matha scored 7 points on a 3-4 team YAWN

St Iggy got BLOWN OUT by a D4 school
Chatard is a D3 school from Indiana
St Eds is very weak this year

congrats on a fine regular season

don't overhype a good schedule into the toughest in the country

try making it out of your region this year before annointing yourself (or at least being competitive vs Colerain)

[consumerman]

PS why is your sophomre qb such a disadvantage over a soph qb from a team that got blown out by 21 >??

curious as to the thinking.

Sophomore Matt Gutierrez had 6 TD passes and 300 yards against national power Mater Dei in 1999 for DLS. They did not need an excuse when they beat Matt Leinart and MD 42-0

[NorrisHopper30]

http://www.maxpreps.com/FanPages/NationalRankings.mxp/Boys_Varsity_Football_Fall_07-08
X's schedule rank is nearly double DLS'. No one else even comes close to X's schedule, I wonder why?

You are the only one here calling the GCL mediocre and saying X's schedule is soft.

[consumerman]

http://www.maxpreps.com/FanPages/NationalRankings.mxp/Boys_Varsity_Football_Fall_07-08
X's schedule rank is nearly double DLS'. No one else even comes close to X's schedule, I wonder why?

You are the only one here calling the GCL mediocre and saying X's schedule is soft.

answer me this

what makes a 4 team conference (that in itself is a joke) the best conference in the nation?


St X - having a banner year

Elder ?

Moeller?

whoever the 4th team is???

why is that the best conference in the nation?

pls answer me

if Moeller is so great why did they lose to MV, a team DLS crushed?

[consumerman]

if Glenville is such a power, why did they lose to a good but hardly great LB Poly?

[NorrisHopper30]

answer me this

what makes a 4 team conference (that in itself is a joke) the best conference in the nation?


St X - having a banner year

Elder ?

Moeller?

whoever the 4th team is???

why is that the best conference in the nation?

pls answer me

if Moeller is so great why did they lose to MV, a team DLS crushed?
DLS isn't a conference, what does that have to do with us losing to MV? You're arguing oranges to apples, trying to prove a point that DLS > GCL-s.

Moeller had a bad first half, and have improved drastically the past 3 weeks. I think this Moe team could beat MV.

[consumerman]

DLS isn't a conference, what does that have to do with us losing to MV? You're arguing oranges to apples, trying to prove a point that DLS > GCL-s.

Moeller had a bad first half, and have improved drastically the past 3 weeks. I think this Moe team could beat MV.

nothing like opinions vs actual on the field results

Mission Viejo 26, Moeller 22

De La Salle 35, Mission Viejo 7

St Xavier 28, Moeller 14

those aren't biased opinions now are they

[consumerman]

in my opinion

Cali is 3-0 in the herbie agianst ohio powers

see the scores for my opinion

[WestSideBomber]

nothing like opinions vs actual on the field results

Mission Viejo 26, Moeller 22

De La Salle 35, Mission Viejo 7

St Xavier 28, Moeller 14

those aren't biased opinions now are they

But again, this isn't math class.

If A=B=C, then A=C doesn't work out on the football field.

And Moeller is no cake walk this year. They made the playoffs in the toughest region in Ohio. They by no means are a powerhouse, but it's not like they're horrible.

[WestSideBomber]

in my opinion

Cali is 3-0 in the herbie agianst ohio powers

see the scores for my opinion

Moeller is not a power this year. They are a solid team and a playoff team, but nothing more.

[NorrisHopper30]

in my opinion

Cali is 3-0 in the herbie agianst ohio powers

see the scores for my opinion

So is Cali a whole conference?

The argument here is if GCL is a weak conference or not. And you just keep saying how DLS would kill X or Moe, not about DLS' conference.

[consumerman]

So is Cali a whole conference?

The argument here is if GCL is a weak conference or not. And you just keep saying how DLS would kill X or Moe, not about DLS' conference.

show me the thread where I said DLS would kill x or Moe

Thread number post number date and time

[consumerman]

But again, this isn't math class.

If A=B=C, then A=C doesn't work out on the football field.

And Moeller is no cake walk this year. They made the playoffs in the toughest region in Ohio. They by no means are a powerhouse, but it's not like they're horrible.

mission viejo 26 moeller 22
dos 35 mv 7

[WestSideBomber]

I love this example of comparing scores.

Last year, X beat Moeller by 21.

Moeller then took Colerain to triple OT (I think?) and lost.

Man, I guess X should've beaten up on Colerain then!

It doesn't work like Math class!

I'll post this again.

[Bordertown]

Consumerman you continue to put the GCL down. What conference or district in the country is better? Calpreps gives the league a rating of 51. The second place league has a rating of 47.2. The top ranked league in Texas is District 14-5A (#4) with a rating of 39.3.

To give you a frame of reference DLS plays in the Bay Valley rated at 20.4 or 202nd in the nation. Texas High plays in District 11-4A and is rated 20.1 or 214th. I consider my district average this year as the 22nd best district in Texas. The Bay Valley would be #20.

Give the GCL South the credit they deserve.

[WrongPerson]

I'd love to do this




X dropped in USAT because they don't know what the ---- they're talking about. Lets look at the factors going into the game. 1) It was a 200+ away game 2) its a rivalry game, as everyone should know in HS...anything can freaking happen 3) X was starting a new, SOPHOMORE, QB 4) Weather, was huge...something like 20 mph winds which screwed up a few Milligan kicks, 1 i know would have ended the game in regulation.

[consumerman]

Consumerman, go away, you do not know what you are talking about. Chatard is one of, if not the best D3 team in the state of indiana.

Iggy didn't play a D4 team.
Dematha has 1 loss, X.
Moeller? who had 2 very bad games this year?

DLS let a 6-3 team score 22 on them. That certainly doesn't seem like a #1 team's defense right there. AND ONLY beating a 4-4 team by 35 AT HOME. Of DLS's opponents only 5 have winning records. X's opponents only have 31 LOSSES COMBINED. TAKE AWAY THE TEN X WINS AND THEY ONLY HAVE 21 LOSSES. Those facts mean DLS sucks compared to X and the rest of the gcl, who by the way, went 21-5 vs non league competition. We are the top league in the country. CCL Blue is second... Where is the Bay Valley? 200something. yeah, DLS really gets tested every year. Wonder if that streak wouldve been what it is if Cali actually had a state championship game..... probably not. Bay Valley has a power rating of 20.4
GCL S has a power rating of 51. Our SoS is twice what yours is. just go away.

DLS led Serra 41-0 at half, congrats to Serra for scoring 22 points (2 of them were 90!!! plus yard runs by their QB) against the DLS subs.


Kind of like DLS BLOWING out ELDER last year leading 49-18 after 3 Q until Elder scored 20 points against DLS third stringers

do some more research next time

a 4 team league us barely a league

its St X and the 3 dwarfs

wow

great league

[consumerman]

I'd love to do this




X dropped in USAT because they don't know what the ---- they're talking about. Lets look at the factors going into the game. 1) It was a 200+ away game 2) its a rivalry game, as everyone should know in HS...anything can freaking happen 3) X was starting a new, SOPHOMORE, QB 4) Weather, was huge...something like 20 mph winds which screwed up a few Milligan kicks, 1 i know would have ended the game in regulation.

travleing 200 miles in a home state game

Mission Viejo traveled 2000 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! miles and beat a GCL playoff team

so much for that

[consumerman]

So is Cali a whole conference?

The argument here is if GCL is a weak conference or not. And you just keep saying how DLS would kill X or Moe, not about DLS' conference.

you are way off here

the argument is not whether the GCL is a WEAK league

it is an arguiment that is the GCL the STRONGEST league in the country

based on the number of members (pitiful - 4) and the relative strenght of the teams - ST X - great, the other 3 - ok I dont believe it qualifies as the strongest league inthe country

[NorrisHopper30]

you are way off here

the argument is not whether the GCL is a WEAK league

it is an arguiment that is the GCL the STRONGEST league in the country

based on the number of members (pitiful - 4) and the relative strenght of the teams - ST X - great, the other 3 - ok I dont believe it qualifies as the strongest league inthe country

What league is better?

[consumerman]

show me the thread where I said DLS would kill x or Moe

Thread number post number date and time

W A I T I N G

[consumerman]

What league is better?

a real league with more than 4 members

[coletrain06]

St Iggy got BLOWN OUT by a D4 school


No they did not. In fact St. Ignatius was beaten by the largest school in the state (Mentor)

The GCLs may or may not be the toughest league/conference/district in the nation, I could care less. The Colerain faithful get tired of hearing how great and awesome the GCLs more than anyone. a Colerain fan even coined the nickname "wonk" to the GCLers that think their league is the best and schedules are the hardest....

but...

you have to give credit where it is due.

St. X is probably on a similar level with DLS this year.

Elder, Moeller, and Lasalle are all pretty much equal, and I would say they are pretty equal to Mission Viejo.

So imagine a league with DLS, and three Mission Viejo's.

it is what it is

[NorrisHopper30]

Heaven forbid someone in California respects a football team or league outside of your country.

[consumerman]

No they did not. In fact St. Ignatius was beaten by the largest school in the state (Mentor)

The GCLs may or may not be the toughest league/conference/district in the nation, I could care less. The Colerain faithful get tired of hearing how great and awesome the GCLs more than anyone. a Colerain fan even coined the nickname "wonk" to the GCLers that think their league is the best and schedules are the hardest....

but...

you have to give credit where it is due.

St. X is probably on a similar level with DLS this year.

Elder, Moeller, and Lasalle are all pretty much equal, and I would say they are pretty equal to Mission Viejo.

So imagine a league with DLS, and three Mission Viejo's.

it is what it is

4 teams is not a strong league

[consumerman]

Heaven forbid someone in California respects a football team or league outside of your country.

heaven forbid someone accuse another poster of saying dls would kill st x and then when challenged ignores it for 2 days


show proof or

retract the statement

or forever be ignored and laughed at

[NorrisHopper30]

4 teams is not a strong league

That's a terrible reason for the GCL-s being a bad league.

[consumerman]

That's a terrible reason for the GCL-s being a bad league.

why?

if dls and mater dei made a 2 team league it would be the best league in the history of the world

who cares

only 2 teams

4 teams is not much better

only 3 league ganes

YAWN

get real

add 3-5 teams and be a real league

[NorrisHopper30]

why?

if dls and mater dei made a 2 team league it would be the best league in the history of the world

who cares

only 2 teams

4 teams is not much better

only 3 league ganes

YAWN

get real

add 3-5 teams and be a real league

How far are Mater Dei and DLS from each other?

All four GCL south school are within 1 hour maybe less driving distance from each other and they are competing for talent in the area, yet every single school every single year is highly competitive in Cincinnati area. I have a hard time trying to find out how the league is so competitive and among the nations best year in and year out. Even if the league is 4 teams they are competing with public schools in the area like Colerain and Sycamore which spreads out the talent even more.

I just don't understand how you can call the league weak, even if there are only 4 teams.

[consumerman]

How far are Mater Dei and DLS from each other?

All four GCL south school are within 1 hour maybe less driving distance from each other and they are competing for talent in the area, yet every single school every single year is highly competitive in Cincinnati area. I have a hard time trying to find out how the league is so competitive and among the nations best year in and year out. Even if the league is 4 teams they are competing with public schools in the area like Colerain and Sycamore which spreads out the talent even more.

I just don't understand how you can call the league weak, even if there are only 4 teams.

weak?????

you are making the same mistake over and over

show me the thread I said weak

4 teams is the major reason for the league not being annointed

that you don't see that or agree whoc ares

I do believe Unquestionable that Cincinnati is a super area for high school football

no question

[NorrisHopper30]

Ok
What makes a 4 team conference with one good team and a bunch of mediocre teams the best conference in the country?

its St X and the 3 dwarfs

wow

great league

4 teams is not a strong league


4 teams is not much better

only 3 league ganes

YAWN

get real

add 3-5 teams and be a real league

[Vox Crusada]

Heaven forbid someone in California respects a football team or league outside of your country.Well, apparently Calpreps.com respects the GCL because they reached halfway across the continent to choose the GCL as the nation's best league, not just in football, but in basketball too.
CalPreps may not be the ultimate authority, but they have more credibility than this blow-hard consumerman.

[consumerman]

Ok

where is the word WEAK>>>

still waiting

[consumerman]

Well, apparently Calpreps.com respects the GCL because they reached halfway across the continent to choose the GCL as the nation's best league, not just in football, but in basketball too.
CalPreps may not be the ultimate authority, but they have more credibility than this blow-hard consumerman.

the major problem with the gcl is the number of teams

[NorrisHopper30]

where is the word WEAK>>>

still waiting

It's implied in all of your posts.

[consumerman]

No they did not. In fact St. Ignatius was beaten by the largest school in the state (Mentor)

The GCLs may or may not be the toughest league/conference/district in the nation, I could care less. The Colerain faithful get tired of hearing how great and awesome the GCLs more than anyone. a Colerain fan even coined the nickname "wonk" to the GCLers that think their league is the best and schedules are the hardest....

but...

you have to give credit where it is due.

St. X is probably on a similar level with DLS this year.

Elder, Moeller, and Lasalle are all pretty much equal, and I would say they are pretty equal to Mission Viejo.

So imagine a league with DLS, and three Mission Viejo's.

it is what it is

MV beat moeller
moeller destroyed elder

what is your reasoning?

___________________

i apologize for confusing mentor with mooney

what is mentors record?

[NorrisHopper30]

MV beat moeller
moeller destroyed elder

what is your reasoning?

___________________

i apologize for confusing mentor with mooney

what is mentors record?

Elder destroyed Moeller.

[consumerman]

Consumerman, go away, you do not know what you are talking about. Chatard is one of, if not the best D3 team in the state of indiana.

curious as when DLS DESTROYED Elder last year (read the comments by the Elder coach), everyone excused the win by saying heck Elder lost to a Div 3 school from Indians

now that St X played them, they are all world

curious

[consumerman]

Elder destroyed Moeller.

oops

got it backwards

so why is moeller a quality playoff team when they go 1-2 in their league and lose to a cali team that lost 2 and tied one game in cali?

[consumerman]

where is the word WEAK>>>

still waiting

SIXTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! request to show where I said WEAK

waiting

[consumerman]

It's implied in all of your posts.

so now you can read minds?????

I guess reading and comprehension isnt taught in ohio

challenging that the GCL is NOT the STRONGEST league in the country (mainly because of its teeny-weeny size) DOES NOT equate with saying it is weak

sheesh

[NorrisHopper30]

oops

got it backwards

so why is moeller a quality playoff team when they go 1-2 in their league and lose to a cali team that lost 2 and tied one game in cali?

Every game in the GCL is a tossup, that's what happens in a competitive league.

[consumerman]

Every game in the GCL is a tossup, that's what happens in a competitive league.

really?

a 4 team league is competitive when 3 teams have losing redords?

the elder - moeller game was competitive

you need to include FACTS when you try to reason

not opinions

[NorrisHopper30]

a 4 team league is competitive when 3 teams have losing redords?



It's not possible for more than 2 teams to have winning records against each other in a 4 team league. In a year when St X is one of the top team in the nations you can almost expect 3 teams to have losing records in conference.

[coletrain06]

MV beat moeller
moeller destroyed elder

what is your reasoning?

___________________

i apologize for confusing mentor with mooney

what is mentors record?

Mentor is 8-2, with a loss to Mooney and Euclid.

Mission Viejo barely escaped with a win. Moeller and Mission Viejo were very equal.

Wrong about the Moeller elder game. Elder destroyed Moeller.

Elder lost to Lasalle, but beat Moeller.
Moeller lost Elder, but beat Lasalle
Lasalle lost to Moeller, but beat Elder.

Hence, = .

If nothing else, I am basing my reasoning off of seeing MV, Moeller, Elder, and Lasalle all play live.

[consumerman]

It's not possible for more than 2 teams to have winning records against each other in a 4 team league. In a year when St X is one of the top team in the nations you can almost expect 3 teams to have losing records in conference.

and therein lies the problem of having a puny league

[consumerman]

here are some more FACTS

MV is 3-2-1 in california going into this weekend

yet they beat a Ohio Playoff team

ST X barely escaped with a 3 overtime win against a 2 loss team, one of those 2 losses was to yet another 2 loss team by 21 points

[NorrisHopper30]

here are some more FACTS

MV is 3-2-1 in california going into this weekend

yet they beat a Ohio Playoff team

ST X barely escaped with a 3 overtime win against a 2 loss team, one of those 2 losses was to yet another 2 loss team by 21 points

I don't see how you can bring MV into this discussion when they BARELY beat Moeller(3 losses), but then you bash on X for BARELY beating St Ignatius(2 losses).

Hypocrite

[consumerman]

I don't see how you can bring MV into this discussion when they BARELY beat Moeller(3 losses), but then you bash on X for BARELY beating St Ignatius(2 losses).

Hypocrite

MV is 3-2-1 and beat Moeller an ohio playoff team in REGULATION

St X is 10-0 and beat a 2 loss team in 3 overtimes

that is the same to you?

really?

???

[consumerman]

here is the West Catholic League in the Bay Area

7 teams!!!!!!!!!!!! not 4

their combined non-league record is 24-3-1 and one loss was Serra losing 40-22 to DLS (trailed I think 35-0 at half)

I would say this league has no team as good as St X with th epossible remotely close exception of Bellarmine but the DEPTH of the league easily beats the Moeller-Elder-etc. GCL league

24-2-1 non-league outside of DLS

hard to beat that when Moeller lost to a 3-2-1 cali team





W-L-T Pct. W-L-T Pct. PF PA

Bellarmine Prep (San Jose) 8-0-0 1.000 4-0-0 1.000 266 105

Archbishop Mitty (San Jose) 6-2-0 .750 2-2-0 .500 213 141

Valley Christian (San Jose) 5-2-1 .688 1-2-1 .375 219 123

Serra (San Mateo) 6-3-0 .667 3-2-0 .600 264 173

Riordan (San Francisco) 5-3-0 .625 2-2-0 .500 184 159

St. Francis (Mountain View) 4-3-1 .563 2-2-0 .500 138 115

St. Ignatius (San Francisco) 4-4-1 .500 0-4-1 .100 217 175

[NorrisHopper30]

MV is 3-2-1 and beat Moeller an ohio playoff team in REGULATION

St X is 10-0 and beat a 2 loss team in 3 overtimes

that is the same to you?

really?

???

A win is a win, they are all the same to me. In your mindset, yes i'd still agree a 'barely' is the same thing as a 'barely' regardless of OT.

You make a huge deal over how badly your DLS team runs up the score, when in reality all that matters is the W.

[consumerman]

A win is a win, they are all the same to me. In your mindset, yes i'd still agree a 'barely' is the same thing as a 'barely' regardless of OT.

You make a huge deal over how badly your DLS team runs up the score, when in reality all that matters is the W.

WRONG

some fool said DLS gave up 22 points to a 6-3 team

I said DLS led 40-0 until Serra scored 22 points against the DLS scrubs

how is that MAKING A HUGE DEAL OVER HOW BADLY DLS RUNS UP THE SCORE?

what are you smoking?

[consumerman]

we lost to two OoC teams in bball, won 4 christmas tournaments in 4 different states, and had 2 representatives in the state championshipo game. We aren't overrated in BBall either.

Face facts, the GCL South is the best in basketball and football.

when was the last time Moeller was a national power in football>>??

the 70s?

[consumerman]

here is the West Catholic League in the Bay Area

7 teams!!!!!!!!!!!! not 4

their combined non-league record is 24-3-1 and one loss was Serra losing 40-22 to DLS (trailed I think 35-0 at half)

I would say this league has no team as good as St X with th epossible remotely close exception of Bellarmine but the DEPTH of the league easily beats the Moeller-Elder-etc. GCL league

24-2-1 non-league outside of DLS

hard to beat that when Moeller lost to a 3-2-1 cali team





W-L-T Pct. W-L-T Pct. PF PA

Bellarmine Prep (San Jose) 8-0-0 1.000 4-0-0 1.000 266 105

Archbishop Mitty (San Jose) 6-2-0 .750 2-2-0 .500 213 141

Valley Christian (San Jose) 5-2-1 .688 1-2-1 .375 219 123

Serra (San Mateo) 6-3-0 .667 3-2-0 .600 264 173

Riordan (San Francisco) 5-3-0 .625 2-2-0 .500 184 159

St. Francis (Mountain View) 4-3-1 .563 2-2-0 .500 138 115

St. Ignatius (San Francisco) 4-4-1 .500 0-4-1 .100 217 175


compared to X and the rest of the gcl, who by the way, went 21-5 vs non league competition

how does 24-3-1 compare to 21-5

let me know and get the excuse machine ready

[consumerman]

SEVENTH request to show me the thread where I said the GCL was WEAK

where is the word WEAK'

SEVENTH REQUEST

[consumerman]

our SoS is twice as good as yours.

what was the score of the Moeller (Ohio playoff team) vs Mission Viejo (a 3-2-1 team in cali) game

remind me okay

[consumerman]

how long would the streak have lasted if Cali. had a real playoff system?

almost ALL of Moellers accomplishments were when Ohio had TWO playoff games

DLS has 2-3 playoff games every year of the streak

so you tell me what if Moeller had to play 5 playoff games in the 70s and not 2

I guess the record since the 70s explains it

DLS lost 1 GAME in the 90s

oh they had 34 and 44 game win streaks in the 80s

and started the new decade with 4 consecutive undefeated seasons, beating #1 aand #2 nationally ranked teams in the process

ya Moeller was great in the 70s when they had 2 playoff games

got it?

[consumerman]

hahahahha DLS did give up 22 pts to Sierra. I can't really take your word on it that it was against the backups because youve proven that almost everything you type is worthless.

Hey guys, When Iggy scored those 14 pts, it was against the 2nd string;). Hey i can do that too. And Moeller was playing all second stringers vs MV, Elder, and X.

35-0 nothing at half

and 40-0 one drive into the second half

you want a copy of the vid?

BTW Serra was the #2 rated team in Norcal at the time

[consumerman]

see now youre just lying. MV is 4-2-1.

I said going into this weekend and not counting out of state games

reading and comprehension 101

is that your best rebuttal??

really?

[consumerman]

Most of DLS's games were in state and against subpar league competition

really?

that lousy cali football that is 3-0 in the herbie?

that lousy cali football that has MORE NFL players than any other state?

that subpar league competiton but not mentioning the #2 national ranked Mater Dei and #1 ranked LB Poly and 18 time Hawaii state Champ St. Louis and 9 time LA state champ Evangel and on and on and on

dont go there

Moeller lost to a 3-2-1 cali team

Elder got DESTROYED by DLS

dont go there

[consumerman]

how does 24-3-1 compare with 21-5

and one of those 3 losses was to national power DLS

One of GCL's losses was to a 3-2-1 cali team

waiting

[consumerman]

the score was 26-22 and arguably Moeller's worst played game of the year, behind Mason and Elder.

Moeller's record in state is 4-2.:shrug: With two wins against two of the best in Michigan and Indiana and a loss to a good california team.

HUH?

one of their worst played games of the year (How convenient), behind Mason and Elder?

so it is their THIRD worst played game of the year??


and this is one of the reason the GCL is a power conference?

you are doubletalking

[consumerman]

here is the West Catholic League in the Bay Area

7 teams!!!!!!!!!!!! not 4

their combined non-league record is 24-3-1 and one loss was Serra losing 40-22 to DLS (trailed I think 35-0 at half)

I would say this league has no team as good as St X with th epossible remotely close exception of Bellarmine but the DEPTH of the league easily beats the Moeller-Elder-etc. GCL league

24-2-1 non-league outside of DLS

hard to beat that when Moeller lost to a 3-2-1 cali team





W-L-T Pct. W-L-T Pct. PF PA

Bellarmine Prep (San Jose) 8-0-0 1.000 4-0-0 1.000 266 105

Archbishop Mitty (San Jose) 6-2-0 .750 2-2-0 .500 213 141

Valley Christian (San Jose) 5-2-1 .688 1-2-1 .375 219 123

Serra (San Mateo) 6-3-0 .667 3-2-0 .600 264 173

Riordan (San Francisco) 5-3-0 .625 2-2-0 .500 184 159

St. Francis (Mountain View) 4-3-1 .563 2-2-0 .500 138 115

St. Ignatius (San Francisco) 4-4-1 .500 0-4-1 .100 217 175

oh I forgot

Sacred Heart (SF) is I think rejoining the WCL next year in football, may already be still there in other sports, huge rivals with St Ig (SF)

they are 5-3 this year, all three losses are "non-league" games to WCL foes

technically the WCL is 29-3-1 non-league this yearm with 1 loss to DLS

_______________________

Riordan's one out of league loss was to a 9-0 team 21-14, that teams NEXT closest game was 21 points

St Francis one out of league loss was to a 7-1 team 20-13 that has outscored opponents 344-97 this year

and they tied Los Gatos 3-3 which is 7-0 in their other games this year

________________________________

that's it

a loss to DLS
a loss to a 9-0 team by 7
a loss to a 7-1 team by 7
and a tie vs. a 7-0-1 team

hard to argue with that as a QUALITY LEAGUE with DEPTH

[WestSideBomber]

DLS led Serra 41-0 at half, congrats to Serra for scoring 22 points (2 of them were 90!!! plus yard runs by their QB) against the DLS subs.


Kind of like DLS BLOWING out ELDER last year leading 49-18 after 3 Q until Elder scored 20 points against DLS third stringers

do some more research next time

a 4 team league us barely a league

its St X and the 3 dwarfs

wow

great league

I want you to decide whether or not Moeller is a "dwarf" this year.

[WestSideBomber]

travleing 200 miles in a home state game

Mission Viejo traveled 2000 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! miles and beat a GCL playoff team

so much for that

But now Moeller is a GCL playoff team (which they are). But using your thought, the GCL is not that strong of a conference, but you still have to include that MV beat a GCL team. Decide!

[WestSideBomber]

a real league with more than 4 members

OK here we go. How many leagues in the country have more tha 4 members. I have no clue, but I'd be willing to bet more than 75% do. I can't even think of another team in Ohio with 4 or less. So, using this assumption, then would 75% of the leagues in the country be better than the GCL? Would'nt that, according to your post, make the GCL a weak conference?

[consumerman]

OK here we go. How many leagues in the country have more tha 4 members. I have no clue, but I'd be willing to bet more than 75% do. So, using this assumption then would 75% of the leagues in the country be better than the GCL? Would'nt that, according to your post, make the GCL a weak conference?

answer - NO

compare the GCL with the WCL which has 7/8 teams (see post on Sacred Heart)

Look at their 29-3-1 non-league record and those losses, their opponents and the game results

tell me that teams 2-7 are not BETTER than teams 2-4 in the GCL

[consumerman]

that's it

a loss to DLS
a loss to a 9-0 team by 7
a loss to a 7-1 team by 7
and a tie vs. a 7-0-1 team

29-3-1

hard to argue with that as a QUALITY LEAGUE with DEPTH

compare that to GCL 5 non-league losses (5 non-leagie losses for only 4 teams vs. 3 non-league losses and 1 tie FOR 8 TEAMS!!!!!)

LaSalle lost to 2 teams with 2 losses
Moeller lost to a cali team with 2 losses and a tie
Elder lost to a team with 5 losses.

and they only have 4 teams vs, 7/8 for the WCAL

both have 1 undefeated team (Bellarmine, St. Xavier)

I would be interested in hearing comments

[WestSideBomber]

answer - NO

compare the GCL with the WCL which has 7/8 teams (see post on Sacred Heart)

Look at their 29-3-1 non-league record and those losses, their opponents and the game results

tell me that teams 2-7 are not BETTER than teams 2-4 in the GCL

The question was posed to you, "What league is better?" to which you answered "a real league with more than 4 members"

Would that not mean that any league with more than 4 members is better than the GCL?

[consumerman]

The question was posed to you, "What league is better?" to which you answered "a real league with more than 4 members"

Would that not mean that any league with more than 4 members is better than the GCL?

No

what do you think of the West Catholic League

Serra has produced Tom Brady, Lynn Swann, Greg Jefferies among others

oh ya some guy named Barry Bonds

[D-Swizzel102]

Hmmm...

consumerman keeps harping on how Cali teams come in and win in the Herbie...but look at the teams they play in the Herbie...Glenville may have the most athletes in the state, but that does not equate to a good football team. they lost to the two good football teams they played this year, and killed everybody else. moeller's not a powerhouse in the state anymore, just a solid football team. they are a playoff team, but a very low seed. did elder even finish with a winning record when they lost to de la salle?

whatever, consumerman's a .

.......fight me.

[WestSideBomber]

No

what do you think of the West Catholic League

Serra has produced Tom Brady, Lynn Swann, Greg Jefferies among others

oh ya some guy named Barry Bonds

I don't know, I've never heard of them before.

The GCL has produced, Rockey Boiman, Barry Larkin, olympic gold medalist Joe Hudepohl, and hundreds of others that I couldn't possibly neme off the top of my head.

Oh ya some guy named Ken Griffey Jr.

[consumerman]

I don't know, I've never heard of them before.

The GCL has produced, Rockey Boiman, Barry Larkin, olympic gold medalist Joe Hudepohl, and hundreds of others that I couldn't possibly neme off the top of my head.

Oh ya some guy named Ken Griffey Jr.

I know Griifey went to Moeller, must have been awesome in high school

the list was not the WCL, just Serra

what do you think of their non-league record (29-3-1) and the details of those 3 losses and a tie

that is a league WITH DEPTH from top to bottom, (8 teams) although technically Sacred Heart will not rejoin the league intil next year as far as league standings

just look at the posts I created, If the GCL had 3-5 more teams that were all as good as Moeller or Elder (LaSalle does not impress me this year) how strong would the league be then>???

I think the WCL is a gfood example of a quailty league with depth

the last place team is 4-0 out of league

[consumerman]

Hmmm...

consumerman keeps harping on how Cali teams come in and win in the Herbie...but look at the teams they play in the Herbie...Glenville may have the most athletes in the state, but that does not equate to a good football team. they lost to the two good football teams they played this year, and killed everybody else. moeller's not a powerhouse in the state anymore, just a solid football team. they are a playoff team, but a very low seed. did elder even finish with a winning record when they lost to de la salle?

whatever, consumerman's a .

.......fight me.

namecalling?

I should report you

ELder was 6-3 vs non DLS teams last year

one loss was to this Bishop Chatard team that everyone hails a s a quality St X opponent who went 14-1 and won their state championship

2 losses were in the so-called "greatest" league in the country, including at the time national top ten St X

last I counted 6-3 is a pretty good record for a GCL also ran

Glenville is being used to show how great St X non-league schedule is this year

they lost to a cali team by 8

cant have it both ways (Glenville is not a qaulity win for LB Poly but is a quality win for St X)

[consumerman]

I want you to decide whether or not Moeller is a "dwarf" this year.

compared to St X yes

[PremiumBuck]

But

St Xavier 28. Moeller 14

Mission Viejo 26, Moeller 22 (MV travels 2,000 miles)

De La Salle 35, Mission Viejo 7 (DLS travels 400 miles)

St X is 14 points better than Moeller
MV is 4 points better than Moeller
DLS is 28 points better than MV

based on these scores, would St X beat MV by 28 as DLS did?
would DLS beat Moeller by 14 as St X did

we would have to assume the answer to the first question is no as ST X beat a team MV beat by 14 so it reasons that they would beat MV by less, since MV beat them also

we assume DLS who beat MV by 28, who beat Moeller by 4 would certainly beat Moeller by more than 14 that ST X did

St X dropped several rungs in some of the polls last week

will that continue this week

I am only going to respond to your original post since the rest of the thread made you look like a completely ignorant jerk (for the seventh time). Your only purpose was to try and start some junk and get the X fans riled up and I guess that worked for you, so great job! Enjoy yourself?

In this post you try to make a point that DLS would beat Moeller by more than X did on Friday night. Why? Is that some attempt to say that DLS is better than X? Most would think that is what you are implying. Yet if anyone told you you were wrong you could easily say, "I never said that". How clever. Does it even matter? Not really.

Ohio football fans will tell you that the GCL is a very tough conference and it is very respected statewide. Why is that? Maybe it is because they have actually seen them play a few games (unlike you). Is the GCL the best in the country? No one knows since it is impossible to guage. We do know that it is widely respected amongst the people who are supposed to know such things. That an $0.99 will get you a Frosty at Wendy's.

You, however, want to sit back there in Cali (as you call it) and compare scores from week 2 to week 10 and try to make some rediculous implication about DLS and X. It only makes you look like an idiot or a trouble maker or both. Guess which one I suspect is the case?

BTW, if you had actually watched the Moeller vs. MV game (like I did) then you would know not to talk a bunch of junk about how MV is better than Moe. Moe outplayed MV most of the day and to their credit MV made the plays when it counted. That would make MV better than Moe on that day but does not necessarily make them a better team on the year. Any intelligent fan that actually watched the game would judge these two teams as fairly equal. But I guess that leaves you out.

[consumerman]

I am only going to respond to your original post since the rest of the thread made you look like a completely ignorant jerk (for the seventh time). Your only purpose was to try and start some junk and get the X fans riled up and I guess that worked for you, so great job! Enjoy yourself?

In this post you try to make a point that DLS would beat Moeller by more than X did on Friday night. Why? Is that some attempt to say that DLS is better than X? Most would think that is what you are implying. Yet if anyone told you you were wrong you could easily say, "I never said that". How clever. Does it even matter? Not really.

Ohio football fans will tell you that the GCL is a very tough conference and it is very respected statewide. Why is that? Maybe it is because they have actually seen them play a few games (unlike you). Is the GCL the best in the country? No one knows since it is impossible to guage. We do know that it is widely respected amongst the people who are supposed to know such things. That an $0.99 will get you a Frosty at Wendy's.

You, however, want to sit back there in Cali (as you call it) and compare scores from week 2 to week 10 and try to make some rediculous implication about DLS and X. It only makes you look like an idiot or a trouble maker or both. Guess which one I suspect is the case?

BTW, if you had actually watched the Moeller vs. MV game (like I did) then you would know not to talk a bunch of junk about how MV is better than Moe. Moe outplayed MV most of the day and to their credit MV made the plays when it counted. That would make MV better than Moe on that day but does not necessarily make them a better team on the year. Any intelligent fan that actually watched the game would judge these two teams as fairly equal. But I guess that leaves you out.


I posed the question would DLS beat Moeller by more than 14 NOT SAID THEY WOULD

I POSED THE QUESTION would ST X beat MV by more than 28 not SAID THEY WOULD NOT

I guess lack of reading and comprehension is COMMON in OHIO

As for MOST WOULD THINK YOU ARE IMPLYING why not just
1) read
2) comprehend
3) not GUESS at my motives or dedcutions
4) if there are questions ASK ME, dont (as most Ohions seem to do) put guesses at words and thoughts and implications as WHAT I SAID OR THINK

Its not a hard concept

so I have to choose between idiot and troublemaker?

nice try, when did you stop beating your wife. amateur debating 101!!!

Moeller always seems to OUTPLAY the other team, but they just dont seem to win

last year it was a bad call, the coaching, those darn special teams, against Byrnes. Excuses are great for losers. Winners dont need them

Why was it 14-0 about 5 minutes into the game? Who won???? Who made the plays when the GAME WAS ON THE LINE? was it Moeller?

I am glad Moeller outplayed MV a 3-2-1 team in cali BUT LOST

The GCL has good team, but are EXTREMELY LIMITED in the quantity

4 teams does not make a GREAT LEAGUE. PERIOD.

[consumerman]

I am only going to respond to your original post since the rest of the thread made you look like a completely ignorant jerk (for the seventh time). Your only purpose was to try and start some junk and get the X fans riled up and I guess that worked for you, so great job! Enjoy yourself?

In this post you try to make a point that DLS would beat Moeller by more than X did on Friday night. Why? Is that some attempt to say that DLS is better than X? Most would think that is what you are implying. Yet if anyone told you you were wrong you could easily say, "I never said that". How clever. Does it even matter? Not really.

Ohio football fans will tell you that the GCL is a very tough conference and it is very respected statewide. Why is that? Maybe it is because they have actually seen them play a few games (unlike you). Is the GCL the best in the country? No one knows since it is impossible to guage. We do know that it is widely respected amongst the people who are supposed to know such things. That an $0.99 will get you a Frosty at Wendy's.

You, however, want to sit back there in Cali (as you call it) and compare scores from week 2 to week 10 and try to make some rediculous implication about DLS and X. It only makes you look like an idiot or a trouble maker or both. Guess which one I suspect is the case?

BTW, if you had actually watched the Moeller vs. MV game (like I did) then you would know not to talk a bunch of junk about how MV is better than Moe. Moe outplayed MV most of the day and to their credit MV made the plays when it counted. That would make MV better than Moe on that day but does not necessarily make them a better team on the year. Any intelligent fan that actually watched the game would judge these two teams as fairly equal. But I guess that leaves you out.

its nice to conveniently ignore my posts about the WCL

BTW DLS has many times been rumored to be a good addition to the WCL, the problem is the CLOSEST WCL team is about 40 MILES away

what do you think of a 7/8 team league that is 29-3-1 in non-league games
and only losses are to national top 5 DLS, a 9-0 team by 7, a 7-1 team by 7, and a tie with a 7-0-1 team

THAT is a QUALITY league with DEPTH

[NorrisHopper30]

its nice to conveniently ignore my posts about the WCL

BTW DLS has many times been rumored to be a good addition to the WCL, the problem is the CLOSEST WCL team is about 40 MILES away

what do you think of a 7/8 team league that is 29-3-1 in non-league games
and only losses are to national top 5 DLS, a 9-0 team by 7, a 7-1 team by 7, and a tie with a 7-0-1 team

THAT is a QUALITY league with DEPTH

There aren't many other quality catholic teams in the Cincinnati area that we could add to the GCL-s.

[consumerman]

The GCL is a 12 or 13 team league, 4 are in the south conference.

so the 4 team GCL South is the "best" league in the land or the 13 team GCL is the BEST league in the land

who does the GCL South winner play to make it the overall GCL champion?

which is it?

[consumerman]

There aren't many other quality catholic teams in the Cincinnati area that we could add to the GCL-s.

san francisco is 60 MILES from San Jose

are there any catholic schools within 60 miles of cincinnati?

there are just 4 catholic schools in that 60 mile 360 degree circumference?

[NorrisHopper30]

san francisco is 60 MILES from San Jose

are there any catholic schools within 60 miles of cincinnati?

there are just 4 catholic schools in that 60 mile 360 degree circumference?

Yeah up in Dayton most of those schools are in the GCL-north. Basketball games are played between the GCL-s and north but not football.

[consumerman]

Yeah up in Dayton most of those schools are in the GCL-north. Basketball games are played between the GCL-s and north but not football.

so in football to say the GCL is a 13 team league is really a misnomer

[NorrisHopper30]

so in football to say the GCL is a 13 team league is really a misnomer

It's normally the GCL-s + the rejects in every sport.

Dayton Carroll (d2 i think) is in the GCL-north and they are pretty competitive in every sport except basketball. They could win state in football. Kettering Alter is also very good in every sport they are in the North or Central.

[PremiumBuck]

its nice to conveniently ignore my posts about the WCL

BTW DLS has many times been rumored to be a good addition to the WCL, the problem is the CLOSEST WCL team is about 40 MILES away

what do you think of a 7/8 team league that is 29-3-1 in non-league games
and only losses are to national top 5 DLS, a 9-0 team by 7, a 7-1 team by 7, and a tie with a 7-0-1 team

THAT is a QUALITY league with DEPTH

Unlike you, I make no presumptions about any league or team that I haven't seen play. Your posts are inconsequential to me.

[PremiumBuck]

I posed the question would DLS beat Moeller by more than 14 NOT SAID THEY WOULD

I POSED THE QUESTION would ST X beat MV by more than 28 not SAID THEY WOULD NOT

I guess lack of reading and comprehension is COMMON in OHIO

As for MOST WOULD THINK YOU ARE IMPLYING why not just
1) read
2) comprehend
3) not GUESS at my motives or dedcutions
4) if there are questions ASK ME, dont (as most Ohions seem to do) put guesses at words and thoughts and implications as WHAT I SAID OR THINK

Its not a hard concept

so I have to choose between idiot and troublemaker?

nice try, when did you stop beating your wife. amateur debating 101!!!

Moeller always seems to OUTPLAY the other team, but they just dont seem to win

last year it was a bad call, the coaching, those darn special teams, against Byrnes. Excuses are great for losers. Winners dont need them

Why was it 14-0 about 5 minutes into the game? Who won???? Who made the plays when the GAME WAS ON THE LINE? was it Moeller?

I am glad Moeller outplayed MV a 3-2-1 team in cali BUT LOST

The GCL has good team, but are EXTREMELY LIMITED in the quantity

4 teams does not make a GREAT LEAGUE. PERIOD.

It has nothing to do with reading comprehension and everything to do with seeing right through your petty attempts at being an idiotic troublemaker. Did you comprehend that?

Put your money where your mouth is and try coming to a few Ohio games and then maybe your opinion will mean something to those of us who have actually watched the games in question. I was at the Moe vs. MV game and I did not offer any excuses as to why Moe lost. MV scored on their first play and promplty scored on their next possession. After that it was all Moeller until the 4Q. Credit goes to MV for competing to the end and coming out on top. But if you actually saw the game and had any intelligence at all you would know that these two teams were fairly equal.

You can put down the GCL all you want but it doesn't mean a damn thing to me or most GCL fans. We know that it is a tough conference year in and year out. Plenty of pride here regardless of what trouble you try to start.

DLS has a great program and a phenominal tradition. Why do you think you have to start a bunch of crap with SLC fans or GCL fans in order to distance DLS from everyone else? DLS has done just fine w/o you tearing everyone else down.

BTW, classy line about "beating my wife". Classic case of deflection. Sad really. When my teenage son says "man that guy is immature" (and that was before I posted anything on this thread) it really says something about your posts and the maturity level you displayed in them.

[consumerman]

Unlike you, I make no presumptions about any league or team that I haven't seen play. Your posts are inconsequential to me.

I saw Elder give up 49 points to DLS in 36 inutes of football

[consumerman]

It has nothing to do with reading comprehension and everything to do with seeing right through your petty attempts at being an idiotic troublemaker. Did you comprehend that?

consider the source

second attempt to namecall and rile but whiffing

STRIKE TWO

[consumerman]

You can put down the GCL all you want but it doesn't mean a damn thing to me or most GCL fans

questioning why a four (joke!) team league that has 1 national power and several good teams is considered to be the best league in the country is NOT PUTTING THE GCL DOWN

it is wondering what is the reasoning why a 4 team league is considered to se the BEST in the USA

I HIGHLY question that

that is not putting it down

it is like I questioned your manhood
relax, BOY

a real league has more than 3 league games

to argue otherwise is pure blindness

[consumerman]

Why do you think you have to start a bunch of crap with SLC fans or GCL fans in order to distance DLS from everyone else

I have no interest in distancing DLS from everyone else

what is with you crystal ball ohions who seem to know what everyone thinks, guesses at their intentions, motives and reasoning

AGAIN try reading and comprehension, not crystal ball gazing and guessing

I will FOREVER not led daditis get away with all his unfounded posts, faulty logic and factual mistakes

whether you approve or that means ZERO to me

I dont need your permission

[consumerman]

BTW, classy line about "beating my wife". Classic case of deflection. Sad really. When my teenage son says "man that guy is immature" (and that was before I posted anything on this thread) it really says something about your posts and the maturity level you displayed in them.

ummm

if you did not get the connection to the AMATEUR line YOU WROTE about being an idiot or a troublemaker and the classic comeback when did you stop beating your wife You need to get out more

I will explain it to you BOY

the answer choices to the first question are both bad

the answer to the proverbial when did you stop beating your wife (last week, never, etc.) are also ALL bad

not much of a choice

if you are not familiar with this AMATEUR debating attempt that you did, go take some debate classes 101

now do you get it????

as for your wonderful son, if he has TEN TIMES the intelligence maturity and debating skills (including reading and comprehension) that you do, he might rate a 1 out of 10

GOT IT?

[consumerman]

Unlike you, I make no presumptions about any league or team that I haven't seen play. Your posts are inconsequential to me.

that is why you responded with childish persosnal attacks

[letharion]

Good Lord consumerman. I don't even know where to begin. Your shtick was almost a little humorous at first, what with the constant claims of your intellectual superiority set deep within incoherent ramblings and sentence fragments. Relentlessly replying to your own posts taunting people who didn't answer questions that you just asked 3 minutes prior was another of my favorite aspects of your posting, as though we all sit intently by the computer all day waiting for your latest diatribe. But there reaches a point where the perceived gimmick becomes much too regular to just be an act, and that's the point where people (or at least I) just feel sad and sorry for you.

[consumerman]

Good Lord consumerman. I don't even know where to begin. Your shtick was almost a little humorous at first, what with the constant claims of your intellectual superiority set deep within incoherent ramblings and sentence fragments. Relentlessly replying to your own posts taunting people who didn't answer questions that you just asked 3 minutes prior was another of my favorite aspects of your posting, as though we all sit intently by the computer all day waiting for your latest diatribe. But there reaches a point where the perceived gimmick becomes much too regular to just be an act, and that's the point where people (or at least I) just feel sad and sorry for you.

well it has been a long time since I was accused of sayng DLS would crush St X and the GCL was a weak league and I challenged those posters to show me where I said those things

they have YET to show me where I said that but are too childish to retract their foolish statements

YES I plead guilty to rubbing it in


as for feeling sad and sorry for me no need at all

I just dont let people put words in my mouth

and never will

still feel sad?

[FinalWord]

DLS would have gone 1-3 in the GCL-South this year....

Fellas, Consumerman is just trying to get a rise out of to you...simply trying to pick a fight because he's got nothing this year as DLS is not relevant in this year's rankings....

Consumerman, go ask the fellas at Calpreps...I'm sure they would love to hear you whine....

GCL-South, baby, THE BEST FOOTBALL AND BASKETBALL league across the land!!!

[NorrisHopper30]

DLS would have gone 1-3 in the GCL-South this year....



You're going to hear an earful from consumerman after this comment!

I can't wait.

[consumerman]

DLS would have gone 1-3 in the GCL-South this year....

Fellas, Consumerman is just trying to get a rise out of to you...simply trying to pick a fight because he's got nothing this year as DLS is not relevant in this year's rankings....

Consumerman, go ask the fellas at Calpreps...I'm sure they would love to hear you whine....

GCL-South, baby, THE BEST FOOTBALL AND BASKETBALL league across the land!!!

what was the score of the colerain - St xavier game last year?

try winning your puny little region first

then your state

then maybe well put you in the national top ten

[WestSideBomber]

Ummm...St. X is in the top 10 last I checked.

[WestSideBomber]

well it has been a long time since I was accused of sayng DLS would crush St X and the GCL was a weak league and I challenged those posters to show me where I said those things

they have YET to show me where I said that but are too childish to retract their foolish statements

I already showed you where you said the GCL was weak (not in so many words, though). You said that any conference with more than 4 teams was better than the GCL. I showed you that any you responded by saying simply, "no".

[WestSideBomber]

You can put down the GCL all you want but it doesn't mean a damn thing to me or most GCL fans

questioning why a four (joke!) team league that has 1 national power and several good teams is considered to be the best league in the country is NOT PUTTING THE GCL DOWN

it is wondering what is the reasoning why a 4 team league is considered to se the BEST in the USA

I HIGHLY question that

that is not putting it down

it is like I questioned your manhood
relax, BOY

a real league has more than 3 league games

to argue otherwise is pure blindness

Why is it pure blindness? Just because other people believe something else automatically means that they're wrong? Nice try. This is America.

[consumerman]

I already showed you where you said the GCL was weak (not in so many words, though). You said that any conference with more than 4 teams was better than the GCL. I showed you that any you responded by saying simply, "no".

you are BLIND

I did not say ANY (REPEAT ANY) conference with more than 4 teams was better than the GCL

fricking ridiculous that you CANT READ

[consumerman]

Why is it pure blindness? Just because other people believe something else automatically means that they're wrong? Nice try. This is America.

there was an old baseball trivia question that fooled many people

this goes back a few years

the question was what brother combination had the most home runs in ml baseball history

the answr was NOT the three DiMaggios or the Three Alous or the such and such

it was Hank Aaron and his brother Tommie

Hank ALONE had more HR than any brother combination in history

Tommie was a trivial factor

now lets go back to the GCL

it is in recent years St X a national power and three teams who finish between 5-5 and 7-3

My HUMAN reasoning is this is NOT the best league in the country

due to

1) only 4 teams (hardly qualifies as a league)
2) associated, only 3 league games (laughable)
3) 3 of the teams are hardly state let alone national powers

I stand by my assessment

[consumerman]

Ummm...St. X is in the top 10 last I checked.

watch out

you havent played colerain yet

oh ya you beat that national power de matha which beat a 3-4 team by the lopsided score of 7-6

how did st x hold them to the same point total as a 3-4 team

what a powerful win

[bittersweet]

What league is better?

Trinity league, minus JSerra

[WestSideBomber]

you are BLIND

I did not say ANY (REPEAT ANY) conference with more than 4 teams was better than the GCL

fricking ridiculous that you CANT READ

And again with the personal attacks and the overreacting.

You said, "a real league with more than 4 members" How many leagues are ther in the country (I have no clue, but I'd be willing to bet more than 70%)? Basing your quote with that assumption, then the GCL would be a weak conference.

[WestSideBomber]

watch out

you havent played colerain yet

oh ya you beat that national power de matha which beat a 3-4 team by the lopsided score of 7-6

how did st x hold them to the same point total as a 3-4 team

what a powerful win

I guess holding a team to 7 points and 133 total yards is no longer a good thing. Never mind holding Kenny Tate, the #15 WR in the nation to only 3 catches for 26 yards. Or the #88 receiver to only 1 catch for 4 yards. Man, this X D must SUCK this year.

[WrongPerson]

Well, since consumerman does love the rankings, I though I'd post this.

http://calpreps.com/2007/ratings/National_leagues.htm


btw, gcl isn't only the best in football...check for the 'we make it rain' threads during the upcoming basketball season...last season the record was like what? 39-3?

[WestSideBomber]

Yeah, only 3 losses. 2 of those coming to Withrow who took X to the final seconds.

[consumerman]

I guess holding a team to 7 points and 133 total yards is no longer a good thing. Never mind holding Kenny Tate, the #15 WR in the nation to only 3 catches for 26 yards. Or the #88 receiver to only 1 catch for 4 yards. Man, this X D must SUCK this year.

a 3-4 team from as weak area also held them to 7 points

does not seem to be a once in a lifetime occurance does it

[UncleBaldy]

Guys,

There has been some namecalling on this thread. It needs to stop. I understand dealing with threads sometimes can be frustrating, but please maintain your composure. Some of you have had great posts only to trivialize them with namecalling. It is beneath you.

Thanks,

UB

[WestSideBomber]

a 3-4 team from as weak area also held them to 7 points

does not seem to be a once in a lifetime occurance does it

That is the only other game DeMatha has been held under 22 points all season.

I'm still wondering what your logic is here. So X gave up a single TD in 48 minutes of football (on a VERY short field no less), to a team that has only been held under 22 points one other time all season. Yet because they only beat a weak team by 1 point (DeMathe still won), X is not that great of a team and is not deserving of the national attention?

Please help me out!

[Bordertown]

From Post 65 to 76 there were 12 consecutive posts by Consumerman. This is a new record for you. Congrats.

One thing I have to agree with you is on how being in a "puny" league can distorts ones results. With reference to one schools impressive winning streak, one could argue the accomplishment was deminished by the fact the played in a "puny" Section. Now if that team played in the Southern Section, it might be more impressive. But being in a "puny" Section will always cause the "*" to be there.

Just food for thought!

[consumerman]

From Post 65 to 76 there were 12 consecutive posts by Consumerman. This is a new record for you. Congrats.

One thing I have to agree with you is on how being in a "puny" league can distorts ones results. With reference to one schools impressive winning streak, one could argue the accomplishment was deminished by the fact the played in a "puny" Section. Now if that team played in the Southern Section, it might be more impressive. But being in a "puny" Section will always cause the "*" to be there.

Just food for thought!

As I told you before, I have ignored geeky hall monitor types that follow people around and look for ANYTHING to crtitique a LONG TIME AGO

The reference to the people hailing ST X as an all time great team with a monster schedule .... is basically the same team as last year that got smoked in their own regional playoffs by Colerain, who in turn got smoked, who in turn etc etc etc

Like I said, win (or at least be somewhat more competitive) in your own regional playoffs before annointing yourselves world beaters

as for DLS, I started following them in 1985 bwhen I moved to the East Bay and I NEVER felt they got the credit they deserved ...

until they answered naysayers like you when their schedule was freed up and they were allowed to play NATIONAL powers like SS Mater Dei, LB Poly etc.

This started in 1998 and instead of falling on their faces as many predicted/hoped, they went undefeated for another 6 seasons

the naysayers had nothing left to critique

except jealous people like you

[consumerman]

That is the only other game DeMatha has been held under 22 points all season.

I'm still wondering what your logic is here. So X gave up a single TD in 48 minutes of football (on a VERY short field no less), to a team that has only been held under 22 points one other time all season. Yet because they only beat a weak team by 1 point (DeMathe still won), X is not that great of a team and is not deserving of the national attention?

Please help me out!

do you believe De Matha is a top national team>?

really?

based on beating a 3-4 team 7-6???

___________________________________

what is a short field? 99 yard? 90? 85? what does that mean?

they had to drive a relatively short amount?

because of a turnover? penalty? special teams play?

is that not related to the team in general?

Does St X drive 80 plus yards every drive?

Did they have drives of less than 20 yards vs. Glenville? (1, 2 more?)

Does that apply to ALL of St X's drives as well?

What are you trying to say?

[PremiumBuck]

do you believe De Matha is a top national team>?

really?

based on beating a 3-4 team 7-6???

___________________________________

what is a short field? 99 yard? 90? 85? what does that mean?

they had to drive a relatively short amount?

because of a turnover? penalty? special teams play?

is that not related to the team in general?

Does St X drive 80 plus yards every drive?

Did they have drives of less than 20 yards vs. Glenville? (1, 2 more?)

Does that apply to ALL of St X's drives as well?

What are you trying to say?

It has been well documented that DeMatha was playing with their back-up QB. That usually has an effect on a team so I will give kudos to DeMatha for winning the game in spite of this adversity. Well done boys and congrats on a fine season.

As to your annoying habit of comparing scores, you really need to give it a rest. As has been evidenced by this year's college football season, each week is a new week and each week a different team shows up. Each match-up is different, each gameplan is different, each team is ready in a different way. At the beginning of each game both teams have to deal with all the variables, execute their gameplans, adjust, and make the plays. If the final is 7-6 or 49-0 then the winning team was able to do what it takes to walk off the field with success in hand. If they repeat this scenario multiple times over the course of a season with little to no negative results then you can qualify them as a good to great team. One moment in a ten or fifteen week span is just a sampling not to be taken with exagerated validity. Please try to look at the whole rather than the pieces and it will go a long way in alieviating your obvious concerns.

BTW, it is clear you consider yourself some kind of champion debater but your incoherent ramblings leave another impression with me.

[consumerman]

It has been well documented that DeMatha was playing with their back-up QB. That usually has an effect on a team so I will give kudos to DeMatha for winning the game in spite of this adversity. Well done boys and congrats on a fine season.

As to your annoying habit of comparing scores, you really need to give it a rest. As has been evidenced by this year's college football season, each week is a new week and each week a different team shows up. Each match-up is different, each gameplan is different, each team is ready in a different way. At the beginning of each game both teams have to deal with all the variables, execute their gameplans, adjust, and make the plays. If the final is 7-6 or 49-0 then the winning team was able to do what it takes to walk off the field with success in hand. If they repeat this scenario multiple times over the course of a season with little to no negative results then you can qualify them as a good to great team. One moment in a ten or fifteen week span is just a sampling not to be taken with exagerated validity. Please try to look at the whole rather than the pieces and it will go a long way in alieviating your obvious concerns.

BTW, it is clear you consider yourself some kind of champion debater but your incoherent ramblings leave another impression with me.


wow

thank you for imparting your glorious wisdom on all of us youir majesty

now try talking football

_______________________

when you are a conservative defensive minded team (nothing wrong with that) all that matters is that you win by 1 point, even against a losing team

that is why when moeller lost to byrnes and st x lost to lakeland and moeller lost to mission viejo and glenville lost to lb poly you hear...

we should have won, one turnover killed us, the refs made a crucial penalty call against us, that damn kicker cost us excuse after excuse after excuse

when you are a more formidable offense you dont try to squeak through with close wins and the variables (read excuses) arent that important

you win games by much bigger margins

there is your football lesson back at you

[consumerman]

It has been well documented that DeMatha was playing with their back-up QB. That usually has an effect on a team so I will give kudos to DeMatha for winning the game in spite of this adversity. Well done boys and congrats on a fine season.

As to your annoying habit of comparing scores, you really need to give it a rest. As has been evidenced by this year's college football season, each week is a new week and each week a different team shows up. Each match-up is different, each gameplan is different, each team is ready in a different way. At the beginning of each game both teams have to deal with all the variables, execute their gameplans, adjust, and make the plays. If the final is 7-6 or 49-0 then the winning team was able to do what it takes to walk off the field with success in hand. If they repeat this scenario multiple times over the course of a season with little to no negative results then you can qualify them as a good to great team. One moment in a ten or fifteen week span is just a sampling not to be taken with exagerated validity. Please try to look at the whole rather than the pieces and it will go a long way in alieviating your obvious concerns.

BTW, it is clear you consider yourself some kind of champion debater but your incoherent ramblings leave another impression with me.

PS if you dont like what I post or how I reason DONT TELL ME TO GIVE IT A REST

but instead

QUIT READING MY POSTS

that is the better alternative

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annoying habit of comparing scores???????????

give it a rest????????????????

show me some other threads where I have done this

is this one thread an annoying habit???

It seems you type first then think later (or more likely dont think at all)

_______________________________________
as for looking at the big picture

DLS went 12 seasons and 151 games winning their way

how is that for a BIG PICTURE?

[PremiumBuck]

PS if you dont like what I post or how I reason DONT TELL ME TO GIVE IT A REST

but instead

QUIT READING MY POSTS

that is the better alternative

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annoying habit of comparing scores???????????

give it a rest????????????????

show me some other threads where I have done this

is this one thread an annoying habit???

It seems you type first then think later (or more likely dont think at all)

_______________________________________
as for looking at the big picture

DLS went 12 seasons and 151 games winning their way

how is that for a BIG PICTURE?


So does this mean you will quit comparing scores?

[consumerman]

I also laugh at the poster (will have to go back and look it up) who said Moeller would probably beat MV now because they are playing better now

let's see

MV was playing itys first game of the year

a bunch of 15-17 year olds had to travel 2,000 miles

playing a power team from their power conference in for all reasonable accounts a home game

and won

.... maybe MV improved too, although they have have three more games to go in their regular season

funny the other person NEVER considerd whether MV improved as well

... seems to me passing teams improve more as the timing and routes are executed month after month

maybe this time Moeller travles to cali and MV beats them by not 4 but 20

[consumerman]

here is the quote from post #19

Moeller had a bad first half, and have improved drastically the past 3 weeks. I think this Moe team could beat MV.

is it possible MV can improve as well??

[PremiumBuck]

PS if you dont like what I post or how I reason DONT TELL ME TO GIVE IT A REST

but instead

QUIT READING MY POSTS

that is the better alternative

Your right I could use less aggrivation in my life and I definitely don't learn much from them.

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annoying habit of comparing scores???????????

give it a rest????????????????

show me some other threads where I have done this

is this one thread an annoying habit???

Since you have done it multiple times in this thread it did become quite annoying and borderline habitual. I am not going to waste time researching all your other posts but I doubt this is the first time you have ever compared scores. But since you compared Moeller's week 2 result to Moeller's week 10 result then maybe it was your first time since that is such a rookie mistake.

It seems you type first then think later (or more likely dont think at all)

More childish banter and extremely ironic.
_______________________________________
as for looking at the big picture

DLS went 12 seasons and 151 games winning their way

how is that for a BIG PICTURE?

It is very impressive. That is a very fine program. But it has little to do with this thread. What's next? Your Dad can beat up my Dad?

*

[consumerman]

I am not going to waste time researching all your other posts but I doubt this is the first time you have ever compared scores

that is your basis of saying I have an annoying habit???

because you doubt it

wow

powerful proof source

you are really impressive with your comebacks and rebuttals

[PremiumBuck]

I am not going to waste time researching all your other posts but I doubt this is the first time you have ever compared scores

that is your basis of saying I have an annoying habit???

because you doubt it

wow

powerful proof source

you are really impressive with your comebacks and rebuttals



Unlike you I am not trying to be impressive

[consumerman]

wow

thank you for imparting your glorious wisdom on all of us youir majesty

now try talking football

_______________________

when you are a conservative defensive minded team (nothing wrong with that) all that matters is that you win by 1 point, even against a losing team

that is why when moeller lost to byrnes and st x lost to lakeland and moeller lost to mission viejo and glenville lost to lb poly you hear...

we should have won, one turnover killed us, the refs made a crucial penalty call against us, that damn kicker cost us excuse after excuse after excuse

when you are a more formidable offense you dont try to squeak through with close wins and the variables (read excuses) arent that important

you win games by much bigger margins

there is your football lesson back at you

this reminds me of those awesome ohio state woody hayes and michigan bo shembechler teams that would storm through the big ten with the proverbial three yards and a cloud of dust offense and come to the Rose Bowl undefeated and ranked highly (many times #1) and get SMOKED by Pac Ten teams like Stanford, UCLA and Washington who had as many as 4 losses in an eleven game season

not to mention when USC would do even better (please don't try to argue that in such and such year the Big Ten actually won a rose bowl, OVERALL the record from the mid sixties to the early 80s was horrific)

that is why the Rose Bowl came to be known as the Woody Hayes Memorial Coliseum

oh ya Woody finally wised up and brought in Schlister and tried to start passing and would have two split ends run like 10 yard hooks, real sophisticated passing attack

[consumerman]

unlike you I am not trying to be impressive

you have succeeded tremendously

[PremiumBuck]

I am not going to waste time researching all your other posts but I doubt this is the first time you have ever compared scores

that is your basis of saying I have an annoying habit???

because you doubt it

wow

powerful proof source

you are really impressive with your comebacks and rebuttals


Fine take out the word habit and I will stand by the fact that you have been just plain annoying.

[PremiumBuck]

unlike you I am not trying to be impressive

you succeeding tremendously

I saw that one coming.

[PremiumBuck]

this reminds me of those awesome ohio state woody hayes and michigan bo shembechler teams that would storm through the big ten with the proverbial three yards and a cloud of dust offense and come to the Rose Bowl undefeated and ranked highly (many times #1) and get SMOKED by Pac Ten teams like Stanford, UCLA and Washington who had as many as 4 losses in an eleven game season

not to mention when USC would do even better (please don't try to argue that in such and such year the Big Ten actually won a rose bowl, OVERALL the record from the mid sixties to the early 80s was horrific)

that is why the Rose Bowl came to be known as the Woody Hayes Memorial Coliseum

oh ya Woody finally wised up and brought in Schlister and tried to start passing and would have two split ends run like 10 yard hookss, real sophisticated passing attack

Your post has nothing to do with this thread. If you think I am going to get all riled up over your attack on the Big 10 better guess again. This post just goes to show exactly the type of poster you are. I will not use the term but everyone who has read the thread knows the exact term I am thinking.

[PremiumBuck]

unlike you I am not trying to be impressive

you have succeeded tremendously

I have succeeded at what? Not trying? Doesn't mean I wasn't impressive. Try thinking before you post.

[consumerman]

Your post has nothing to do with this thread. If you think I am going to get all riled up over your attack on the Big 10 better guess again. This post just goes to show exactly the type of poster you are. I will not use the term but everyone who has read the thread knows the exact term I am thinking.

uymmm

you brought up college football

go reread your own post

and yes it has a LOT to do with your assertion that it only matters if you win by 1 point (how convenient since that is the main concern with a weak de matha win)

you cant have your cake and eat it too

[consumerman]

here is your quote from post 129:

As has been evidenced by this year's college football season,

so what does THAT have to do with this thread?

so you can bring up college football in your stupid little football learning lesson

but I cant bring up REAL EXAMPLES of college football when debating conservative defensive philosophy

H Y P O C R I T E

[consumerman]

Fine take out the word habit and I will stand by the fact that you have been just plain annoying.

facts and strong debating points do annoy posters who have nothing but opinions

i agree

[consumerman]

when you are a conservative defensive minded team (nothing wrong with that) all that matters is that you win by 1 point, even against a losing team

that is why when moeller lost to byrnes and st x lost to lakeland and moeller lost to mission viejo and glenville lost to lb poly you hear...

we should have won, one turnover killed us, the refs made a crucial penalty call against us, that damn kicker cost us excuse after excuse after excuse

when you are a more formidable offense you dont try to squeak through with close wins and the variables (read excuses) arent that important

you win games by much bigger margins

I guess you have no response to this FOOTBALL DEBATE as you just want to call people annoying and say they have bad habits

I will consider this to be you giving up on this conservative win by 1 point football debate

[PremiumBuck]

uymmm

you brought up college football

go reread your own post

and yes it has a LOT to do with your assertion that it only matters if you win by 1 point (how convenient since that is the main concern with a weak de matha win)

you cant have your cake and eat it too


I brought up college football (this season) as an example of the volatility of football week to week. You brought it up to try and get some kind of rise out of me. Didn't work. Since you brought up the Rose Bowls, why did they even play the 1976 (1975 season) Rose Bowl since Ohio State had demolished UCLA earlier in the season. Yet when they play again in the Rose Bowl UCLA pulled off the upset. A clear cut example of how you can't compare scores even with the same two teams. Thanks for bringing it up.

[consumerman]

I brought up college football (this season) as an example of the volatility of football week to week. You brought it up to try and get some kind of rise out of me. Didn't work. Since you brought up the Rose Bowls, why did they even play the 1976 (1975 season) Rose Bowl since Ohio State had demolished UCLA earlier in the season. Yet when they play again in the Rose Bowl UCLA pulled off the upset. A clear cut example of how you can't compare scores even with the same two teams. Thanks for bringing it up.

okay

what was the reason stanford destroyed ohio state in 1971

and michigan in 1972

and washington destroyed michigan in 1978

did they play earlier in the season

or is that 1975 example the ONLY one you can come up with

[consumerman]

try and get some kind of rise out of me.

so where does namecalling come in?????????????????????

above or below football results

geez this is like taking candy from a baby

[PremiumBuck]

when you are a conservative defensive minded team (nothing wrong with that) all that matters is that you win by 1 point, even against a losing team

that is why when moeller lost to byrnes and st x lost to lakeland and moeller lost to mission viejo and glenville lost to lb poly you hear...

we should have won, one turnover killed us, the refs made a crucial penalty call against us, that damn kicker cost us excuse after excuse after excuse

when you are a more formidable offense you dont try to squeak through with close wins and the variables (read excuses) arent that important

you win games by much bigger margins

I guess you have no response to this FOOTBALL DEBATE as you just want to call people annoying and say they have bad habits

I will consider this to be you giving up on this conservative win by 1 point football debate


You would be incorrect since I said none of those things. Nice try. How does it feel to debate some one who will not back down.

I will consider you intellectually inferior and you are no longer worthy of debate.

Reply all you want I will no longer be subjected to this inferior discussion.

Just remember this St. X is the here and now. De LaSalle is old news. Maybe they will be back on top some day. Good luck to them.

[PremiumBuck]

okay

what was the reason stanford destroyed ohio state in 1971

and michigan in 1972

and washington destroyed michigan in 1978

did they play earlier in the season

or is that 1975 example the ONLY one you can come up with

1975 clearly showed you are wrong. Did not need another example.

[consumerman]

You would be incorrect since I said none of those things. Nice try. How does it feel to debate some one who will not back down.

I will consider you intellectually inferior and you are no longer worthy of debate.

Reply all you want I will no longer be subjected to this inferior discussion.

Just remember this St. X is the here and now. De LaSalle is old news. Maybe they will be back on top some day. Good luck to them.

hahahahah

beyong laughable

good luck in your region this year

try to be more competitive if not actually winning

this is daditis 101

we know how he flipped out when slc lost

maybe you WONT do so if you lose as usual in the playoffs

[consumerman]

How does it feel to debate some one who will not back down.

here we go again with the man challenge

lol

[consumerman]

1975 clearly showed you are wrong. Did not need another example.

1 game in nearly 20 season proves I am wrong???????

and you are the one telling me you cant look at one game IN A SEASON and need to look at the bigger picture??

I would suggest that looking at a history of conservative defense minded big ten teams coming to the Rose Bowl and getting smoked is looking at a very BIG picture

have you had your short term Memory tested lately?

[WrongPerson]

maybe you WONT do so if you lose as usual in the playoffs

Lose as usual?

Well we're quite sorry that we have lost before in the state playoffs. We all cant be undefeated (0-0) like all of California. So please excuse our humanity and our choice to play more games against harder opponents to figure out who really is the best in Ohio.

[consumerman]

Lose as usual?

Well we're quite sorry that we have lost before in the state playoffs. We all cant be undefeated (0-0) like all of California. So please excuse our humanity and our choice to play more games against harder opponents to figure out who really is the best in Ohio.

when some fool says St X is here and now and DLS is old news I thought it was appropriate to point out St X got crushed and did not even make it out of their region in 2006. Since they have not had a playoff game since, that is as here and now as it gets

try following the thread next time

[WestSideBomber]

Lose as usual?

Well we're quite sorry that we have lost before in the state playoffs. We all cant be undefeated (0-0) like all of California. So please excuse our humanity and our choice to play more games against harder opponents to figure out who really is the best in Ohio.

This thread is now heaven with consumerman on my ignore list!

[fish82]

when some fool says St X is here and now and DLS is old news I thought it was appropriate to point out St X got crushed and did not even make it out of their region in 2006. Since they have not had a playoff game since, that is as here and now as it gets

try following the thread next time

Although to be fair, at least X has won a State Title, which puts them one up on DLS. ;)

[consumerman]

Although to be fair, at least X has won a State Title, which puts them one up on DLS. ;)

well if you say so

then any team - even a team from wyoming or alaska has "one up" on DLS

I will out DLS record over ANY time period vs St X

[consumerman]

This thread is now heaven with consumerman on my ignore list!

1) it is MY THREAD

2) yes you are the fool who said DLS is old news and st x is here and now

after such garbage was shown to be foolish by ME, I would run and hide as well

[SLCDad]

I will out DLS record over ANY time period vs St X

How do the records of StX and DLS compare over the last four years (2004-2007)?

[SLCDad]

1) it is MY THREAD

Yes . . . . and you have made most of the posts (more than everybody else combined).

[consumerman]

How do the records of StX and DLS compare over the last four years (2004-2007)?

i will throw in 2003 since 2007 is not complete

2003 dls undefeated national champs
2007 dls undefeated
2006 dls 13-1
2005 dls 11-2
2004 dls 8-3-2

st x only undefeated year (?) well at least they won the state champ was 2005
last year 2 losses
this year 10-0 so far
that leaves 2003 and 2004 and i dont know

[WestSideBomber]

1) it is MY THREAD

2) yes you are the fool who said DLS is old news and st x is here and now

after such garbage was shown to be foolish by ME, I would run and hide as well

Really, show me where I said DLS was "old news" I have NEVER said anything bad about DLS EVER.

I'll quote you from a different thread, where you show that you truely are a hyprocrite.

"ok mr hall monitor

can I go to the rest room now?

can I get a pass from you?"

"blah blah blah

why dont you exit ths board"

This in response to a poster who said basically, "this is my board" (like you). And you wonder why everybody hates you.

[consumerman]

i will throw in 2003 since 2007 is not complete

2003 dls undefeated national champs
2007 dls undefeated
2006 dls 13-1
2005 dls 11-2
2004 dls 8-3-2

st x only undefeated year (?) well at least they won the state champ was 2005
last year 2 losses
this year 10-0 so far
that leaves 2003 and 2004 and i dont know


calpreps is showing st x to be 51-7 in their last 58 games

dls has 6 losses since 1991 (198 games)

[consumerman]

Really, show me where I said DLS was "old news" I have NEVER said anything bad about DLS EVER.

I'll quote you from a different thread, where you show that you truely are a hyprocrite.

"ok mr hall monitor

can I go to the rest room now?

can I get a pass from you?"

"blah blah blah

why dont you exit ths board"

This in response to a poster who said basically, "this is my board" (like you). And you wonder why everybody hates you.

1) my apologies it was premiumbuck not you, but you both come from the same theories

[consumerman]

Really, show me where I said DLS was "old news" I have NEVER said anything bad about DLS EVER.

I'll quote you from a different thread, where you show that you truely are a hyprocrite.

"ok mr hall monitor

can I go to the rest room now?

can I get a pass from you?"

"blah blah blah

why dont you exit ths board"

This in response to a poster who said basically, "this is my board" (like you). And you wonder why everybody hates you.

well you can pick and choose and try to make me look bad

but if you follow the THREAD, the thread starter was talking about st x vs elder coaching and there was a discussion on whether coaching is a big difference and/or havng athletes contributed and he stated it was who had better athletes and (paraphrasing) any coach can look good with good athletes, look at charlie weis and the coach of the bengals etc etc

so i asked about glenvile who is universally considered to have good athletes but poor coaching

the guy was too embarrased to reply that I proved him wrong with the simple glenvile example so he said "we are only talking st x and elder" and if you dont have anything to contribute LEAVE MY THREAD

1) that is the hall monitor mentality and where I joked in his face about getting a hall room pass to go to the restroom, if you dont understand this, i feel sorry for you

2) the response "why dont you exit this board" was to him telling me "why dont you exit this thread"

if you followed the thread you will see the sequence

do better research next time and take the chip off your shoulder

I then pointed out since he said this thread IS ONLY about St X and Elder (after he broght into the discussion charlie weis and the bengals coach) that charlie weis much coach for st x and the other bengals coach must coach for elder. i thought it was clever to point out his hypocracy

that it sailed over your head does not surprise me

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unlike the other thread that you referenced, I did not tell someone to leave my thread but simply pointed out that if this idiot wants to put me on his ignore list (ostrichitis) and then say this thread is more enjoyable, good luck as I have by far the most posts on this thread. there is not much back and forth without my posts so I just have to laugh at both of you

[consumerman]

And you wonder why everybody hates you.


nice try BOY

1) I will bet you a million dollars (knowing you are from Ohio maybe 100 dollars is more in your ballpark) that NOT everyone hates me. want to take that bet?????????????

2) dont project what I feel or what I wonder about or other idiotic statements

again you have shown junior high debating skills

whats next ??

"your mother" putdowns

YAWN

[consumerman]

Why did everyone suddenly forget that the Iggy game was the first start for a Sophomore who had only been on the Varsity roster for a week? Then driving 200+ miles to beat top 10 in the state Iggy in Cleveland. Bottom line is X played the toughest schedule in the nation and went 10-0. They did this without Darius for 4 of those games and the last 2 without their starting QB. Why all of the sudden is X overrated???

But no, you didn't hate to do this.

this is your wonderful entry into this thread

full of excuses (at least 4)

and then smartass arguing with your last line

was darius playing in the colerain game last year? did he help st x win?

traveling 200 miles is tough but 2000 miles is not?

st x playsed the toughest schedule in the nation is more ohio propoganda than anything

oh i forgot, when moeller lost to a cali team that was early in the season but when x beat them they were vastly improved and all world

sheesh

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I will also add that MANY yappi members, after seeing DLS at the herbie last year, said DLS is like a St X but with 6 Darius Ashleys

[WrongPerson]

when some fool says St X is here and now and DLS is old news I thought it was appropriate to point out St X got crushed and did not even make it out of their region in 2006. Since they have not had a playoff game since, that is as here and now as it gets

try following the thread next time

When was the last time DLS made it out of their region?

PS - St. X has the hardest schedule is Ohio Propaganda?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/kevin_armstrong/10/23/top.25/index.html


Take No. 2 St. Xavier (Cincinnati), for instance. In surviving a triple-overtime thriller against St. Ignatius (Cleveland), the Bombers held on to their No. 2 ranking because their schedule throughout the season has been the nation's toughest. This week, St. Xavier takes on Moeller, another Cincinnati power.

Hmmm....

[skyway28]

So, somebody named Kevin Armstrong says X has the toughest schedule and it is citable as fact or evidence of fact? LOL. Who is Kevin Armstrong, what are hos credentials and what is he basing that off of? Look, X has played a solid schedule. But, you all have to be careful in where you get your information from.

[fish82]

Well, the bastion of truth and accuracy, Calpreps, would seem to agree with him... :laugh:

If someone in the US plays a tougher regular season schedule, I'd like to see it.

[consumerman]

When was the last time DLS made it out of their region?

PS - St. X has the hardest schedule is Ohio Propaganda?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/kevin_armstrong/10/23/top.25/index.html




Hmmm....

california does not have regions

but it has sections which require 2-3 playoff games (similar to a region in ohio) Some sections have had as many as 4 playoff games

DLS has won its section 16 consecutive years and all but 2 years since 1983

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you can argue regions vs sections and I can argue 4 team leagues arent real leagues

[NorrisHopper30]

california does not have regions

but it has sections which require 2-3 playoff games (similar to a region in ohio)

DLS has won its section 16 consecutive years and all but 2 years since 1983
In case you just ignored it

Take No. 2 St. Xavier (Cincinnati), for instance. In surviving a triple-overtime thriller against St. Ignatius (Cleveland), the Bombers held on to their No. 2 ranking because their schedule throughout the season has been the nation's toughest. This week, St. Xavier takes on Moeller, another Cincinnati power.
Ok now we have ourselves, a computer, and a professional that agree with us about St X's schedule.

Who's more reliable?

[skyway28]

I've not sat down and evaluated every team's schedule. I'm not saying one way or the other whether I think they've played the toughest schedule. I do know that folks in Ohio tend to give them major props for beating Glenville and Moeller. Yet, those teams both lost games played in Ohio to a couple of teams several notches down the rung of the elite in California. I think X has beaten more "name" teams than anybodyb else. But, exactly how good those "name" teams are is a bit debatable, IMO.

On a side note, how incredibly weak is the slate of Cleveland-area opponents Glenville has played? Thye beat a rebuilding Warren Central team by 2, lose to Poly and X, then beat all of those Cleveland-area schools by 50-0 type scores.

[skyway28]

In case you just ignored it


Ok now we have ourselves, a computer, and a professional that agree with us about St X's schedule.

Who's more reliable?

What makes Armstrong a "professional"? Who is he and what makes him a credible source? Just being the next guy to write stuff for a CNN/SI website that isn't really actively involved with the prep football scene as a money-making venture doesn't do it.

We've already embarrassed the calpreps computer program.

[consumerman]

I've not sat down and evaluated every team's schedule. I'm not saying one way or the other whether I think they've played the toughest schedule. I do know that folks in Ohio tend to give them major props for beating Glenville and Moeller. Yet, those teams both lost games played in Ohio to a couple of teams several notches down the rung of the elite in California. I think X has beaten more "name" teams than anybodyb else. But, exactly how good those "name" teams are is a bit debatable, IMO.

On a side note, how incredibly weak is the slate of Cleveland-area opponents Glenville has played? Thye beat a rebuilding Warren Central team by 2, lose to Poly and X, then beat all of those Cleveland-area schools by 50-0 type scores.

agree

glenville is an example of St X awesome schedule

a team from cali traveled 2000 miles (one guy whined about St X having to travel 200 miles) that is certainly not considered at this time an elite team in california and beat glenville by 8

moeller is an example of st x awesome schedule

a team from cali traveled 2000 miles (ditto to the whiner) that is 3-2-1 in cali and beat moeller by 4

de matha i guess is st x top opponent this year

they beat a weak 3-4 team 7-6

st ignatius is an example of st x awesome schedule

it took st x 3 overtimes to squeak out a 17-14 win against a team that had lost to a third team 38-17

ask armstrong about those FACTS

that is why st x was degraded several spots in a couple of polls for less than stellar victories

[SLCDad]

calpreps is showing st x to be 51-7 in their last 58 games

dls has 6 losses since 1991 (198 games)

Since 2003 DLS is 52-6-2. StX is 52-6.

[consumerman]

Since 2003 DLS is 52-6-2. StX is 52-6.

51-7 on the field for st x

obviosuly some type of post hoc forfeit

[WestSideBomber]

Wow, I see that consumerman has 5 posts in a row after mine. I'm so glad I don't have to read them. Probably something about I'm ignorant and he is the best arguer on this board and how i'm so childish. And in the process making himself look like a -------.

[SLCDad]

51-7 on the field for st x

obviosuly some type of post hoc forfeit

Usually is forfiet is due to a team breaking the rules in some way. If you break the rules you don't get credit for any win.

52-6 is correct.

[consumerman]

Usually is forfiet is due to a team breaking the rules in some way. If you break the rules you don't get credit for any win.

52-6 is correct.

51-7 on the field IS ALSO CORRECT

usually that means an ineligible player (sometimes a third stringer who gets in for 2 plays)

both are correct

52-6 and 51-7 on the field

[SLCDad]

51-7 on the field IS ALSO CORRECT

usually that means an ineligible player (sometimes a third stringer who gets in for 2 plays)

both are correct

52-6 and 51-7 on the field

It appears you allow rules to be broken in some cases. I disagree.

[WestSideBomber]

Usually is forfiet is due to a team breaking the rules in some way. If you break the rules you don't get credit for any win.

52-6 is correct.

It was the St. Eds game in 2004. The first game of Specht's career. I don't think the ineligable player had any effect on the game at all, but rules are rules.

[WrongPerson]

agree

glenville is an example of St X awesome schedule

a team from cali traveled 2000 miles (one guy whined about St X having to travel 200 miles) that is certainly not considered at this time an elite team in california and beat glenville (8-2) by 8

X beat them by 15

moeller is an example of st x awesome schedule

a team from cali traveled 2000 miles (ditto to the whiner) that is 3-2-1 in cali and beat moeller (6-3) by 4

X beat them by 14

de matha (8-1) i guess is st x top opponent this year

they beat a weak 3-4 team 7-6

X beat them by 21

st ignatius (8-2) is an example of st x awesome schedule

it took st x 3 overtimes to squeak out a 17-14 win against a team that had lost to a third team 38-17

X won. Period.

ask armstrong about those FACTS

that is why st x was degraded several spots in a couple of polls for less than stellar victories

Those are the FACTS. Name one team that has a harder schedule, and give me some FACTS about their schedule before you go ahead and say that X's SOS is weak again.

[SLCDad]

It was the St. Eds game in 2004. The first game of Specht's career. I don't think the ineligable player had any effect on the game at all, but rules are rules.

Exactly.

Perhaps I shouldn't bring this up, but the most blatant example is the Florida 6A title game last year. The star running back should have been suspended for having sex with a 14 year-old band member in a school bathroom. Even after the problem became public and the principal was indicted on two felony counts for hindering the police investigation and the entire coaching staff was fired, nothing was done about the football game itself. Sad.

[consumerman]

Those are the FACTS. Name one team that has a harder schedule, and give me some FACTS about their schedule before you go ahead and say that X's SOS is weak again.

show me where i said x had a WEAK schedule

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[consumerman]

It appears you allow rules to be broken in some cases. I disagree.

it is not a personal opinion

saying x was 52-6 and 51-7 on the field are both correct

[WestSideBomber]

Those are the FACTS. Name one team that has a harder schedule, and give me some FACTS about their schedule before you go ahead and say that X's SOS is weak again.

I guarentee that consumerman's post (without looking at it) is about how he want's you to show him exactly where he said X's SOS was "weak".

[consumerman]

for someone that wants to ignore my posts you are doing a pretty good job of including me in all of your 1-2 sentence smartass posts, just a little bit of a contradiction wouldnt it seem

can you say get some therapy for your obsessive-compulsive disorder?

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i guess after giving up on legitimate debating, then crying out that I challeneged your manhood, then loading up with personal insults, now it is obsessive-compulsive

the trend is going in a very bad direction

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again all this from someone who entered the thread by making 4-5 excuses for why St x took 3 overtimes to beat a team that had previously lost by 21 and then ended his first thread with a smartass comment

[EaglePride01]

I dont care to make excuses for X, but Ill give you my opinion as to why they went three overtimes with Ignatius. Ignatius is a very solid team with one of the top run defenses in the state. Iggy is one of the favorites to come out of region 1 and possibly make a title run which will be no easy task. Their 21 pt. loss that you speak of was to another region 1 favorite Mentor who probably has the most potent offensive attack in the state as they run the spread offense to near perfection. Ignatius was coming off of a couple of cupcake victories prior to the Mentor game and wasnt ready for their attack. The Ignatius pass defense has since improved making their overall defense hard to score on if you dont have a very creative offense. Regardless of the fact that Ignatius is not currently nationally ranked (although they were ranked regionally by prepnation in the beginning of the season before their loss to Mentor), they are a top team in the state of Ohio and could easily compete with most nationally ranked teams, just as there are plenty of Cali teams that arent ranked who could still compete with the nations best.

Another factor was that the X/Iggy game took place in Cleveland and was the farthest X has had to travel all year after having to travel to Columbus the weekend before that for a game. The long back to back roadtrips, coupled with playing a state contender, makes for a tough game situation.

Both teams were also playing with soph. QB's who couldnt provide much of an aerial attack with the stout defenses that both teams had. The game had all the makings for a close, low scoring matchup.

[WrongPerson]

st x playsed the toughest schedule in the nation is more ohio propoganda than anything

Enough said?

oh wait, there is more.

glenville is an example of St X awesome schedule

a team from cali traveled 2000 miles (one guy whined about St X having to travel 200 miles) that is certainly not considered at this time an elite team in california and beat glenville by 8


moeller is an example of st x awesome schedule

a team from cali traveled 2000 miles (ditto to the whiner) that is 3-2-1 in cali and beat moeller by 4


de matha i guess is st x top opponent this year

they beat a weak 3-4 team 7-6

st ignatius is an example of st x awesome schedule

it took st x 3 overtimes to squeak out a 17-14 win against a team that had lost to a third team 38-17

You showing 'specific' examples that X's schedule is not up to par


you took 3 overtimes to beat SI

and SI lost previously

what was the score of the SI loss (not St X)

you beat what everyone agrees is a so-so Moeller team by 14

not as impressive as you are trying to make it

Again, you degrading their strength.


Need I go further?


Again, X has the hardest schedule AND they pulled out of it 10-0. That is a lot more than any other school can say.

[skyway28]

Let me get this straight: X's having to travel a "long" way and play on the road against a team (IGGY) that, schematically, was geared to play against a team like them, are reasons for an OT struggle to win. Meanwhile, Lakeland traveling a long way to play on the road against a team that, schematically, was geared to play against a team (St. X) like them, are merely excuses for an OT struggle to win. Do I have it correct? Seems like a double standard to me.

[WrongPerson]

Let me get this straight: X's having to travel a "long" way and play on the road against a team (IGGY) that, schematically, was geared to play against a team like them, are reasons for an OT struggle to win. Meanwhile, Lakeland traveling a long way to play on the road against a team that, schematically, was geared to play against a team (St. X) like them, are merely excuses for an OT struggle to win. Do I have it correct? Seems like a double standard to me.

There are no excuses, a win is a win...I'd like to quote my good friend.

"Ask any racer. Any real racer. It don't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning's winning."

The only reason why X is getting any credit for those specific wins is because of the strength of the teams they played.

[JuniorVarsityHughes]

first of all consumerman, in regards to your "obsessive compulsive" comment directed to another poster, I think you need a little self-awareness reflection time today. In regards to this pointless thread (as in no one will ever do anything but butt heads), St. X based on a computer has the toughest SOS (you cannot argue with that). That rating does not account for the human factor, so one day St. X might be awful, but its not a one day rating, its an overall rating. Day in and day out St. X is getting wins. Their style of play does not lead to high scoring games, so using this scoring transitive property (team A beat team B by 24 and team C beat team A by 45, thus team C will beat team A by 69) is worthless.

The Bitter Award goes to consumerman who can't seem to except that a team might just have a better ranking than his team because of a harder schedule, in a harder league.

[consumerman]

first of all consumerman, in regards to your "obsessive compulsive" comment directed to another poster, I think you need a little self-awareness reflection time today. In regards to this pointless thread (as in no one will ever do anything but butt heads), St. X based on a computer has the toughest SOS (you cannot argue with that). That rating does not account for the human factor, so one day St. X might be awful, but its not a one day rating, its an overall rating. Day in and day out St. X is getting wins. Their style of play does not lead to high scoring games, so using this scoring transitive property (team A beat team B by 24 and team C beat team A by 45, thus team C will beat team A by 69) is worthless.

The Bitter Award goes to consumerman who can't seem to except that a team might just have a better ranking than his team because of a harder schedule, in a harder league.

1) I dont disagree St X has a harder OVERALL schedule than DLS or other top schools, but that does not prove St X is the best team nationwide

2) I would bet you would not disagree that DLS closest game so far being 28 points, and St X winning by as few as 3 in 3 overtimes over a 3 loss team, does not prove DLS is better than ST X

one team has played a harder schedule
one has won more convincingly

to say one trumps the other is nothing but opinion

[consumerman]

Enough said?

oh wait, there is more.



You showing 'specific' examples that X's schedule is not up to par




Again, you degrading their strength.


Need I go further?


Again, X has the hardest schedule AND they pulled out of it 10-0. That is a lot more than any other school can say.


Again It is not a a test to see who can survive a gauntlet

X has gone 10-0 but has not been stellar in all 10 games

winning by 3 points in 3 overtimes against a 3 loss team does not get pushed under the bed because X went 10-0 against a great schedule

performance in all games count

I would bet without knowing for sure that DLS has scored more points in the first half of its first 8 games than St X has scored in the entire 4 quarters of its first 8 games

[consumerman]

DLS score by quarters

first 7 games


1 2 3 4 TOTAL
DLS 89 118 90 35 - 332
opp 7 7 35 28 - 77

avg 47-11

game 8 was DLS 31-0 at half and 45-14 final

so DLS has scored 238 points in the first half of its first 8 games

[consumerman]

St X has scored 265 points TOTAL in its first 8 games and if it wasnt for a blowout of St Eds, the total St X points would be very close to what DLS put up in just the first half in the same number of games

BTW, the supposed tough schedule featuring De Matha took another hit as De Matha who barely beat a losing team 7-6 2 games ago, LOST this past weekend

[JuniorVarsityHughes]

Also, in regards to the Calpreps league rankings. The GCL South is comprised at 4 schools. I think you should complain to Calpreps to include size of league as a factor in determining the rankings if you feel that # of teams makes a conference harder. However, when you say "what if 2 teams were in a league", this statement is hypothetical. The fact of the matter is that maybe DLS's conference is the best 7-10 team conference, but the rankings aren't suited to include how many teams there are. It may very well be unfair that the GCL South only has 4 teams but it is the reality, and I challenge you to make a better system. How would you rate the leagues? I think when you make a thread named "Hate to do this" you are really just creating a forum where you can spout off hypothetical "facts" in order to bash other teams.

[consumerman]

Also, in regards to the Calpreps league rankings. The GCL South is comprised at 4 schools. I think you should complain to Calpreps to include size of league as a factor in determining the rankings if you feel that # of teams makes a conference harder. However, when you say "what if 2 teams were in a league", this statement is hypothetical. The fact of the matter is that maybe DLS's conference is the best 7-10 team conference, but the rankings aren't suited to include how many teams there are. It may very well be unfair that the GCL South only has 4 teams but it is the reality, and I challenge you to make a better system. How would you rate the leagues? I think when you make a thread named "Hate to do this" you are really just creating a forum where you can spout off hypothetical "facts" in order to bash other teams.

if you would read and COMPREHEND I noted early in the thread that St X poor performance against ST Ig cost them several spots in a couple of polls

I wondered of beating Moeller by 14 would do the same

those werent hypotheticals

the scores were real as were the drops in the rankings

they were not caused by me "thinking" or "spouting off"

[consumerman]

Also, in regards to the Calpreps league rankings. The GCL South is comprised at 4 schools. I think you should complain to Calpreps to include size of league as a factor in determining the rankings if you feel that # of teams makes a conference harder. However, when you say "what if 2 teams were in a league", this statement is hypothetical. The fact of the matter is that maybe DLS's conference is the best 7-10 team conference, but the rankings aren't suited to include how many teams there are. It may very well be unfair that the GCL South only has 4 teams but it is the reality, and I challenge you to make a better system. How would you rate the leagues? I think when you make a thread named "Hate to do this" you are really just creating a forum where you can spout off hypothetical "facts" in order to bash other teams.

someone pointed out how IMPRESSIVE it was that GCL this year were 21-5 in non-league games

I compared that to the West Catholic League in Norcal where at the time the combined records of the 7/8 teams in non-league games was like 29-3-1

and we know since then

De Matha lost AGAIN

Independence lost AGAIN

St Iggy lost AGAIN

I think the GCL teams are great as is Cincinnati football

I just dont think a league with 4 teams is worthy of consideration as the best league in the country on that 1 factor (too few teams)

[consumerman]

That is the only other game DeMatha has been held under 22 points all season.

I'm still wondering what your logic is here. So X gave up a single TD in 48 minutes of football (on a VERY short field no less), to a team that has only been held under 22 points one other time all season. Yet because they only beat a weak team by 1 point (DeMathe still won), X is not that great of a team and is not deserving of the national attention?

Please help me out!

De Matha that awesome power LOST again

LMAO

[JuniorVarsityHughes]

Consumerman, what specific school has the toughest schedule in America? Please feel free to use your, team A beat team B by 14, examples to justify your response.

[consumerman]

Consumerman, what specific school has the toughest schedule in America? Please feel free to use your, team A beat team B by 14, examples to justify your response.

having the toughest schedule does not automatically get you the #1 team ranking

especially if it takers three overtimes to beat a 3 loss team

[WrongPerson]

Again It is not a a test to see who can survive a gauntlet

X has gone 10-0 but has not been stellar in all 10 games

winning by 3 points in 3 overtimes against a 3 loss team does not get pushed under the bed because X went 10-0 against a great schedule


You're absolutely right, X did not play their best that game, BUT THEY STILL WON. They won, and they will continue to win against tough teams, no matter what the score...everyone will tell you a W is a W is a W.

[JuniorVarsityHughes]

In my opinion, and in the opinion of the computer based rankings, going undefeated while having the toughest schedule in America merits the #1 position. According to the computers, the highest SOS belongs to St. X (I'm still waiting for consumerman's response as to what team has the toughest schedule).

[EaglePride01]

In my opinion, and in the opinion of the computer based rankings, going undefeated while having the toughest schedule in America merits the #1 position. According to the computers, the highest SOS belongs to St. X (I'm still waiting for consumerman's response as to what team has the toughest schedule).

Not true of the computer rankings. Mater Dei, prior to their recent loss to Lutheran, was rated #1 last week despite having a lower SOS than St. Xavier. There are other factors that figure into calpreps overall rank value.

[consumerman]

In my opinion, and in the opinion of the computer based rankings, going undefeated while having the toughest schedule in America merits the #1 position. According to the computers, the highest SOS belongs to St. X (I'm still waiting for consumerman's response as to what team has the toughest schedule).

SOS is NOT the ONLY factor in determining rankings

as previously pointed out

a high rated SOS contributes, so does dominating wins

how many times do we have to go over the same things?

why did X drop in several polls after a 3 overtime win?

not because their schedule changed

but based on their PERFORMANCE

[consumerman]

let me try an analogy

there are two students

one takes a very hard schedule of tough classes

one takes a normal amount of tough, medium and maybe even some easy electives

the "tough schedule" student gets 3 A's 2 B's and a C

the "medium schedule" student gets 6 A's

who was the better student???

you can make the argument that either one was

[XdesIDtrans]

This is one incredibly pathetic thread... Good thing X is not out to prove they are the best except in the only way they can...beating every team they play...

1) you compare week 1 to week 10 - and in doing so you fail to understand the nature of the game and you fail to understand Moeller which is a team that only tends to click late in the season... That same team that lost to the Regional champs after 3OT is the same team that lost to Lakota West in the first week. Did LW play Colerain nearly as closely? The answer is no... your comparison here is worthless.

2) You are also talking about an X team that has had two key injuries... and the hardest schedule in the nation according to some to weather those injuries against. Those to players happen to be the biggest star and the architect of the offense... hmmm...

3) Lets run some numbers...

Moeller 22 vs MV 26
De La Salle 35 vs MV 7

Moeller 33 vs Elder 49
St. X 45 vs Elder 14

So X would beat DLS by 15 right?

Only if you're an idiot and try to use score comparisons because you have no real understanding of high school football/choose to ignore the fact that A vs B + B vs C comparisons hold no water because you are trying to prove a point that cannot be proven.

4) Until the rest of the GCL plays MV and Moeller rematches MV, you have no argument with the numbers game.

EXAMPLE:

Game 1:
Princeton 43 Centerville 42

Game 2:
Princeton 21 Centerville 42
(with 14 of Princeton's pts coming late in the game after all of Centervilles 42)

Or another better example:

Game 1
St. X 42 vs St. Ignatius 41

Game 2 (State Finals)
#2 St. X (10-0) 7 vs Unranked St. Ignatius (6-4) 37

Interesting how some teams keep improving through the end of the season Moeller has a history of doing the exact same thing.

You aren't taken seriously around here and for good reason, you have virtually nothing to base your arguments on and until DLS and X either play (which they won't) or have many more common opponents not ones twice removed there is no way to gauge it. So as sure as you are, you have no idea... At least the other posters on here acknowledge that...

[consumerman]

its too bad thois pathetic thread has 1000 views and 200 responses

these st x wannabes are coming out of the woodwork like I challeneged their manhood

I am sorry USA Today and other polls DROPPED St X in their rankings after a poor performance against a 3 loss team

that wasnt me and my thread who dropped them

[consumerman]

was Darius Asheley injured last year in the game against Colerain?

who won>?

[consumerman]

you left out st x 28, moeller 14 and of course this post and thread PRECEDES the St X - ELder playoff game, you can conveniently include it NOW after the game

how convenient for argument sake (no other proof) that moeller always plays better at the end of the year

how can you tell when a team goes 5-5????


as for the moeller - colerain playoff game

I am glad moeller made a miracle comeback from like a 28-7 deficit

9 x out of 10 the game is won by 30 or more

so moeller made a miracle comeback (and still lost) and this is what you hang your hat on

sheesh

[consumerman]

4) Until the rest of the GCL plays MV and Moeller rematches MV, you have no argument with the numbers game.

in the herbie cali 3-0 against 2 gcl teams and glenville, I think that is a STRONG argument

you have virtually nothing to base your arguments on and until DLS and X either play

Darn my whole life revolves around whether DLS and X play




1) I stand by my base assertions: having a strong SOS does not ALONE qualify a team for a top national ranking

2) the GCL has 1 excellent team and three good to very good teams and those 4 teams alone DO NOT make the best conference in the nation, mainly based on the small number of teams

[XdesIDtrans]

its too bad thois pathetic thread has 1000 views and 200 responses

these st x wannabes are coming out of the woodwork like I challeneged their manhood

I am sorry USA Today and other polls DROPPED St X in their rankings after a poor performance against a 3 loss team

that wasnt me and my thread who dropped them

A lot of pathetic threads have a lot more views and comments than this one.:shrug: :shrug:

I'm not attacking USA Today, I'm attacking your half thought out arguements... my issues with you have nothing to do with USA Today - I understand what those polls are about and how they work and they are what they are... If I thought X was the best (and I do) I'd have plenty of reason to think so. It is you with the problem, not me.

[XdesIDtrans]

was Darius Asheley injured last year in the game against Colerain?

who won>?

A quarterback with 1 game of experience may have had something to do with it... and perhaps Colerain even planned better - but when did I bring up the Colerain game. Was I talking about last years X game, or using that game as an example... Are you trying to make some sort of point? If you are you have failed to make it...

[consumerman]

A quarterback with 1 game of experience may have had something to do with it... and perhaps Colerain even planned better - but when did I bring up the Colerain game. Was I talking about last years X game, or using that game as an example... Are you trying to make some sort of point? If you are you have failed to make it...

here we go with the ohio excuses

seen last year moeller vs byrnes

st x vs lakeland

now st x vs colerain last years playoffs

this year moeller vs mv

st x vs st iggy

we had injuries (boo hoo)

we had a baby soph as a QB (boo hoo)

our kicking game was bad (boo hoo)

the refs missed the call (boo hoo)

we got too conservative (boo hoo)

we dont play well until the end of the season (boo hoo)

god I wish i got a penny for every pacifier sold in ohio

[consumerman]

A quarterback with 1 game of experience may have had something to do with it... and perhaps Colerain even planned better - but when did I bring up the Colerain game. Was I talking about last years X game, or using that game as an example... Are you trying to make some sort of point? If you are you have failed to make it...

YOU used the excuse of injuries and I simply asked since we know Darius was injured a few games this year did having a healthy darius help St X last year against colerain. I THINK I MADE THE POINT VERY WELL!

you can answer ANYTIME

I still like what MANY yappi posters said last year after seeing DLS up close and personal

"DLS is like St X EXCEPT they have like SIX Darius Asheleys"

couldnt say it better myself

[XdesIDtrans]

you left out st x 28, moeller 14 and of course this post and thread PRECEDES the St X - ELder playoff game, you can conveniently include it NOW after the game

how convenient for argument sake (no other proof) that moeller always plays better at the end of the year

how can you tell when a team goes 5-5????


as for the moeller - colerain playoff game

I am glad moeller made a miracle comeback from like a 28-7 deficit

9 x out of 10 the game is won by 30 or more

so moeller made a miracle comeback (and still lost) and this is what you hang your hat on

sheesh

I have "conveniently" included the second Elder game because it helps to prove a point, a point made by many other posters before the second game was played. What is convenient is that you seem to think you shouldn't be held accountable for such a defenseless A vs B vs C comparison.

Moeller's track record has shown (and continued to do so this year) that they improve by the quality teams they play and how closely they play them. Moeller lost to Elder but played very closely a team that blew out Elder. I've already offered Lakota West as an example among others.

Also... you should choose your miracles, Moeller made another miracle comeback against Sycamore... after awhile it doesn't seem so much like a miracle... perhaps the miracle is the fact that the other team was able to score so many unanswered points to begin with. But I have not hung my hat on just this, it is simply another example of how the logic you used does not hold water.

[consumerman]

I have "conveniently" included the second Elder game because it helps to prove a point, a point made by many other posters before the second game was played. What is convenient is that you seem to think you shouldn't be held accountable for such a defenseless A vs B vs C comparison.

Moeller's track record has shown (and continued to do so this year) that they improve by the quality teams they play and how closely they play them. Moeller lost to Elder but played very closely a team that blew out Elder. I've already offered Lakota West as an example among others.

Also... you should choose your miracles, Moeller made another miracle comeback against Sycamore... after awhile it doesn't seem so much like a miracle... perhaps the miracle is the fact that the other team was able to score so many unanswered points to begin with. But I have not hung my hat on just this, it is simply another example of how the logic you used does not hold water.


yuo hung your hat on a game moeller LOST

I thought ohions all say the only thing that matters is winning

how convenient when you take 3 overtimes to beat a 3 loss team by 3

but when you "take a regional champion" to three overtimes and lose you can bring that up

that is called hypocritical

[XdesIDtrans]

here we go with the ohio excuses

seen last year moeller vs byrnes

st x vs lakeland

now st x vs colerain last years playoffs

this year moeller vs mv

st x vs st iggy

we had injuries (boo hoo)

we had a baby soph as a QB (boo hoo)

our kicking game was bad (boo hoo)

the refs missed the call (boo hoo)

we got too conservative (boo hoo)

we dont play well until the end of the season (boo hoo)

god I wish i got a penny for every pacifier sold in ohio

I wish I had a penny for every Cali apologist who feels a need to prove something to another extremely successful and competitive state, with half thought through arguements and meaningless off topic tirades (boo hoo)...

But then I might be poor because you sir stand alone as possibly having the worst Ohio complex of any California poster - no poster from DLS has ever offered such convoluted dribble.

If you ask for reasons and explanations for game outcomes don't complain when you get them...

[consumerman]

I wish I had a penny for every Cali apologist who feels a need to prove something to another extremely successful and competitive state, with half thought through arguements and meaningless off topic tirades (boo hoo)...

But then I might be poor because you sir stand alone as possibly having the worst Ohio complex of any California poster - no poster from DLS has ever offered such convoluted dribble.

If you ask for reasons and explanations for game outcomes don't complain when you get them...

you forgot pathetic and idiot in this post

and we all know namecalling is the highest form of debate

[XdesIDtrans]

YOU used the excuse of injuries and I simply asked since we know Darius was injured a few games this year did having a healthy darius help St X last year against colerain. I THINK I MADE THE POINT VERY WELL!

you can answer ANYTIME

I still like what MANY yappi posters said last year after seeing DLS up close and personal

"DLS is like St X EXCEPT they have like SIX Darius Asheleys"

couldnt say it better myself

There was no point made, I talk about how X was successful with an incredibly tough schedule this year despite the loss of two key players and to that you bring up last years playoff game? Are you an idiot?

Perhaps DLS is that good, never once did I say they weren't. What I did say is that no one knows that and that your logic certainly cannot prove that DLS is better. I do believe X can beat them and I have my reasons but I never said DLS is any less deserving of a #1 rating even though if I used your logic, I could.

[consumerman]

If you ask for reasons and explanations for game outcomes don't complain when you get them...

i will just call them what they are

crybaby excuses

I wish for once the posts would say Moeller lost to a better team

or St x didnt play well tonight

not excuses 1-8

[consumerman]

There was no point made, I talk about how X was successful with an incredibly tough schedule this year despite the loss of two key players and to that you bring up last years playoff game? Are you an idiot?

Perhaps DLS is that good, never once did I say they weren't. What I did say is that no one knows that and that your logic certainly cannot prove that DLS is better. I do believe X can beat them and I have my reasons but I never said DLS is any less deserving of a #1 rating even though if I used your logic, I could.

if x could hold dls to under 21 points they would have a great chance

if they couldnt (few can) good night

x is a great team

lets see what happens in the next 4 weeks

[XdesIDtrans]

yuo hung your hat on a game moeller LOST

I thought ohions all say the only thing that matters is winning

how convenient when you take 3 overtimes to beat a 3 loss team by 3

but when you "take a regional champion" to three overtimes and lose you can bring that up

that is called hypocritical

Winning matters most and there is no doubt about that, but I have never said that winning is always indicative of who is the better team... on any given night a lesser team can beat what should be a better team... it is the teams that keep those scenarios from happening (even if only barely) that are the true champions. There is not a lot that seperates top teams. And for the record I brought up both the games you talk about.

[XdesIDtrans]

i will just call them what they are

crybaby excuses

I wish for once the posts would say Moeller lost to a better team

or St x didnt play well tonight

not excuses 1-8

You only call things in a way to make yourself feel like you have some valid point... There are reasons for every loss and sometimes very flagrant unfortunate reasons that impact the outcome of the game... You would be and are very foolish to deny that. Wouldn't saying "X didn't play very well tonight" (which was the overwhelming consensus after last year's regional final) be one of those reasons? I am free to speculate that MV is no longer the better team just as you are free to think that X is not worthy of a #1 rating... As long as you have a valid arguement I have no issue... It is when you resort to name calling and baseless dribble that I will call you on something.

[XdesIDtrans]

if x could hold dls to under 21 points they would have a great chance

if they couldnt (few can) good night

x is a great team

lets see what happens in the next 4 weeks

Thank you for that... let's see what happens.

[JuniorVarsityHughes]

DLS has 6 Darius Ashleys? They must be so much better than X

[consumerman]

DLS has 6 Darius Ashleys? They must be so much better than X

that was what yappi posters said last year after seeing dls, not me

[consumerman]

and since we all seem to like being the devils advocate

I guess the 1972 Dolphins (17-0-0) were not really any good because the best team they played during the regular season was only 8-6

so since they did not have a killer schedule they cant be any good

[JuniorVarsityHughes]

When you play good teams all of the time you aren't going to get style points because you aren't going to blow out teams all of the time. So if you use the whole DLS scored as many points as St X did all year, just in the first half of games, it doesn't mean much. Why do you believe DLS is the best (i know they are nasty because i always hear the fball players talking about DLS) all I am hearing from you is reasons why St. X isnt the best?

[consumerman]

When you play good teams all of the time you aren't going to get style points because you aren't going to blow out teams all of the time. So if you use the whole DLS scored as many points as St X did all year, just in the first half of games, it doesn't mean much. Why do you believe DLS is the best (i know they are nasty because i always hear the fball players talking about DLS) all I am hearing from you is reasons why St. X isnt the best?

there is no doubt in my mind NO ONE knows who is better

I have NEVER said DLS is defitnitely better than ST X

based on YTD games and schedule, I would give ST X a slight edge this year