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consumerman
10-24-07, 12:10 AM
http://calpreps.com/2007/ratings/National_all25.htm
Chicago
10-24-07, 09:32 AM
St. Xavier's opponents are 54-25.
But they are 0-9 against St. Xavier.
And they are 3-3 against each other (unless I missed a game, or games).
So they are 51-13 against the rest of the world.
Now THAT's a tough schedule.
skyway28
10-24-07, 10:40 AM
St. Xavier's opponents are 54-25.
But they are 0-9 against St. Xavier.
And they are 3-3 against each other (unless I missed a game, or games).
So they are 51-13 against the rest of the world.
Now THAT's a tough schedule.
Not speaking specifically to St. X, but the notion that opponents' records is a primary determinant of SOS is bologna at the college and prep levels. Sure, it is very good for the NFL. But, there are so many variables and factors that come into play as far as the sheer number of teams in prep football that records mean little. Agai, because of the dearth of common opponents.
skyway28
10-24-07, 10:44 AM
Of Lakeland's 7 wins, three of those teams are unbeaten against the rest of their schedule and a fourth lost only to Lakeland and another district foe Lakeland will play next week. Lakeland's district features three of the top four teams in class 5A in Florida.
Of Lakeland's 7 wins, three of those teams are unbeaten against the rest of their schedule and a fourth lost only to Lakeland and another district foe Lakeland will play next week. Lakeland's district features three of the top four teams in class 5A in Florida.
Lakeland's schedule is rated a 23 so far this year. SLC's schedule is rated a 24. Of course, it's early in the season and those ratings will change. I don't know what will happen to Lakeland but SLC's schedule will go up.
skyway28
10-24-07, 11:43 AM
And I put no stock into those ratings. There's no basis to come up with that number for Lakeland relative to SLC. If Lakeland were to finish ahead of SLC I'd say the same thing.
skyway28
10-26-07, 04:39 PM
Apparently, calpreps is tweaking their ratings as we go. As of 10-23 (Tuesday) I posted some rankings and project a matchup scores. Now, before hardly any games have been played, things are different. The scores are much more reflective of what actually happened in the matchups. Mind you, a week prior, after the weekend of 10/12-10/13, I posted these results and they then slightly changed for the worse for the Florida teams I listed after the weekend of 10/19-10/20. Suddenly, with next to no new games in the database, we see a big change. It just so happened that during this time there were quality, running conversations about the validity of calpreps computer ratings on the two most frequented national prep boards. Hmmm. Perhaps the calpreps guy has visited the sites and, upon seeing the obvious flawas, tweaked things. Will they admit what they did?
What are some of the changes?
WildcatCrusader
10-27-07, 04:48 PM
Lakeland's schedule is rated a 23 so far this year. SLC's schedule is rated a 24. Of course, it's early in the season and those ratings will change. I don't know what will happen to Lakeland but SLC's schedule will go up.
SLC should schedule better non district teams than rockwall and lake highlands.
RidgePride
10-27-07, 05:32 PM
SLC should schedule better non district teams than rockwall and lake highlands.
If they would have scheduled better teams than Rockwall then they would have had another loss.
Rockwall came within a touchdown of SLC and scored 42 points.
SLC schedules teams 2 years in advance - you never know how good a team will be year to year.
consumerman
10-27-07, 05:43 PM
If they would have scheduled better teams than Rockwall then they would have had another loss.
Rockwall came within a touchdown of SLC and scored 42 points.
SLC schedules teams 2 years in advance - you never know how good a team will be year to year.
ya
2 years from now DLS might be 3-7
LMAO
SLC should schedule better non district teams than rockwall and lake highlands.Both of these teams were good when SLC scheduled them.
Last year Rockwall ran through their district 7-0 after SLC destroyed them in a pre-district game. Lake Highlands was a playoff team the year before the 2 game series with SLC.
Also, Coach Dodge is a former Rockwall coach and still has friends there. People suppose that connection played a role in SLC scheduling them.
SLC should schedule better non district teams than rockwall and lake highlands.
I guess DLS and MNW aren't real impressive. Almost as impressive as your knowledge of nonn district scheduling in Texas....
skyway28
10-29-07, 10:37 AM
Sorry guys, busy weekend. Basically the changes in the projected scores of the games more closely resembled what actually happened. And, they only gave a projection for a nuetral site game. All of a sudden
Checked quickly today and found that, after beating previously undefeated Central, MNW dropped to #46 in the power ratings. At this rate, MNW will be out of the top 100 by season's end. Presently, NO Florida teams are ranked in the top 36 for calpreps/maxpreps. Anybody here think there are 36 teams in the nation better than the very best team from Florida? Only two Florida teams are in the top 120. SLC falls to #100. It has been said many times here that, as the season progresses, the calpreps computer gets more accurate. LMAO
Sorry guys, busy weekend. Basically the changes in the projected scores of the games more closely resembled what actually happened. And, they only gave a projection for a nuetral site game. All of a sudden
Checked quickly today and found that, after beating previously undefeated Central, MNW dropped to #46 in the power ratings. At this rate, MNW will be out of the top 100 by season's end. Presently, NO Florida teams are ranked in the top 36 for calpreps/maxpreps. Anybody here think there are 36 teams in the nation better than the very best team from Florida? Only two Florida teams are in the top 120. SLC falls to #100. It has been said many times here that, as the season progresses, the calpreps computer gets more accurate. LMAO
Dude, what are you talking about? It is only eight/nine weeks into the season.......
We need time to get these rankings accurate. Or it may just be that all of the Florida teams have regressed this year instead of improving. They peaked 1-2 weeks into the season.
skyway28
10-29-07, 11:20 AM
LOL. Yeah, the next games to be played will be in November...but it is early in the season :wallbang:
Fact is, the overhwleming majority of teams in the country are either done with their season or within a week or two of being done. Only the select few teams that advance deep into the state playoffs for a large state could play another seven games.
I agree, all of the Florida teams regress while those from other states improve. Now I get it.
skyway28
10-29-07, 11:22 AM
Just for the calpreps computer fans out there....:wallbang: :wallbang: :wallbang: :wallbang: :wallbang: :wallbang: :wallbang:
EaglePride01
10-29-07, 12:22 PM
Not speaking specifically to St. X, but the notion that opponents' records is a primary determinant of SOS is bologna at the college and prep levels. Sure, it is very good for the NFL. But, there are so many variables and factors that come into play as far as the sheer number of teams in prep football that records mean little. Agai, because of the dearth of common opponents.
As far as calpreps goes, I think there are more variables included in strength of schedule than just your opponents record. For example, Cincinnati La Salle has the best opponent record at 74-24 (possibly the best in the nation at this point) and their SOS rating is 41.2. St. Xavier with an opponent record of 68-29 comes in with a SOS of 43.6.
Does anyone have any idea how Calpreps comes up with their SOS ratings and how much weight the variables are given to determine the final value?
psax889906
10-29-07, 01:49 PM
Marion Local in the top 25 and no Colerain?... uh... yeah...
Marion Local in the top 25 and no Colerain?... uh... yeah...
Colerain is #55
SLC is #100
Chicago
10-29-07, 03:05 PM
It looks like it's the average power rating of your opponents.
St. Xavier's average to 43.54 (using one decimal place each), and its schedule strength is 43.6.
I am sure schedule strength does not figure directly into the rankings, but the strength of each opponent does.
I imagine the 43.6 is an output, not an input.
skyway28
10-29-07, 03:09 PM
Among the teams ranked ahead of Carroll:
Canandaigua Academy, NY
West Central, South Dakota
Hudsonville, Michigan (who lost a game 52-0 this year)
Guthrie, OK
Dobbs Ferry, NY
Charlotte Latin, NC
Mentor, Ohio (has two losses)
Columbus North, IN (lost by 19 points to Pike)
Wisconsin Lutheran (lost to Hartford, WI)
Lee's Summit West, Lee's Summit, MO
Teams ranked ahead of Colerain, Katy and Carroll
Oceanside, CA (has a loss)
Capital, Montana (lost by 19 to Billings, MT)
Brockton, MA (lost to Boston College-not the one with Matt Ryan at QB lol)
Gilmer, TX (3A)
Portland Jesuit (lost 21-0 to Lake Oswego)
Lawrence, Maine
Ansonia, Connecticut
Pierce, Nebraska
Aquinas Institute, rochester, NY
Everett, MA
And I could go on with many more. All of the above teams are ranked ahead of pretty much everybody in Florida as well. And, teams have played up to 11 games. Non-playoff teams' seasons are OVER in some states and there are, to my knowledge, ZERO interstate games remaining on the prep schedule.
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