Finneytown vs McNicholas [Archive]

soref

10-22-07, 03:37 PM

What are the thoughts on the Finneytown/McNicholas game tomorrow night?
The game will be played at CHCA on the turf.
This will be a game between two teams who mostly play on grass.
Will the turf be a factor for either team?
How has each team handled playing on turf this year?
Not just if they have won or lost, but how their game may be different than playing on grass.
I figured with the amount of Finnetown people who usually post on here we would have been hearing a little about this game already.

FYI - I am not on this game, so that is not why I am asking.

Claymation99

10-22-07, 05:07 PM

Saw McNick play New Richmond, and although NR is no Finneytown, McNick played well. One thing I saw was that they looked like they were trying to go to goal way too much. Too many flick ons and not nearly enough cool headed posession. This may have been due to the fact that it was NR, and they were trying to score a lot of goals. They are a very talented group of kids and I look for them to put on a good show. I haven't seen Finneytown play so I can't really say anything about them.

rocketballer08

10-22-07, 06:28 PM

joey sandmann continues to be the truth, and the chl continues to be the most overated conference ever in every sport. mcnicks defence and keeper is crazy good, and now they are starting to bring in the goals. i think they win 2-0 or 3-1. something like that. CHL=overated

LastMin

10-22-07, 06:38 PM

Finneytown will win this one 2-1

jogabonito

10-22-07, 07:36 PM

I hope FTown puts McNick in their place.

eplfan87

10-22-07, 08:09 PM

they will. here is what i believe the score will be.

Finneytown 2
McNick 0

Smoker will take the career shut out record for Finneytown High School and Finneytown will be moving on. McNick will not be able to score on Finneytown's defense, and will also not be able to contain the offense. I think that McNick will dominate in the midfield, if Finneytown's midfielders don't pick it up.

Amo fútbol

10-22-07, 09:44 PM

Statechamps02

10-22-07, 09:53 PM

I hate to admit it, but I'm picking Mcnick. If the refs are lenient, Mcnick will get away with their scrappy play and fouls...which will most likely lead to goals.

wilmy-wrestler

10-23-07, 09:23 AM

i am gonna go with mcnick also. i favor them for the upset.

SoccerDad2006

10-23-07, 11:20 AM

McNick play rough ball which borders on dirty. If the refs let the game go ugly, Finneytown will have to keep their cool, play their game, and stay out of yellow card trouble. This is something with which they've struggled in the past.

McNick also plays in the GCL against a level of competition that Finneytown rarely sees.

Prediction: Finneytown's defense will hold for another shutout. If their offense plays their game, gets a breakaway, or scores off a set piece, FT wins 1-0 or 2-0. If McNick figures out good defense, it's a shootout.

chelsea10

10-23-07, 11:26 AM

I believe Finneytown will win 1-0 of some sort of set piece. Which they are at times very dangerous. Finneytown has a stingy defense that can show flaws at time but its mainly due to the inexpirence, but Smoker will keep them in the game.

CintiRef3

10-23-07, 08:17 PM

Game is tied 1 to 1 - currently in 2nd OT

clubsoccer06

10-23-07, 09:23 PM

mcnick won 2-1

anyone see the game?

jackhammer19

10-23-07, 09:41 PM

it was still tied after the 2nd OT. It ended up being a shootout with pk's. McNick won the pk battle 4-3.

Amo fútbol

10-23-07, 10:04 PM

floridafutboler08

10-23-07, 10:06 PM

game smoker will want to forget....FT was scored on a pass back to smoker with no one w/in 20 yards, smoker tries to bomb the ball and miskicks it sending the ball spinning into his own net...pk's FT should have won, McNick keeper had a nice save and one of FT's players missed one but McNick hit the post on the first one and the 4th and 5th McNick Penalties should have been saved by smoker (the 5th one went through his hands)..really unfortunate for FT, from what i heard (i didn't show up till 2OT so don't hold me to this) FT played well, have to think weather had something to do with smoker's miskick and trouble handling ball, really unfortunate way for a great keeper to end his career...congrats to McNick and good luck as you continue on

soccerpractice

10-23-07, 10:18 PM

Was not a pretty game on either side... but i would say a goal is a goal. Its too bad that Smokers bad game had to come at such a bad time, but props to the kid for a great career.

McN didnt seem ready to play, but their defense certainly kept them in it. Great job on marking Rozicky (sp?... number 9), and few let downs. their first let down lead to FT's goal. great shot near post.

FT's sweep did a good job of distributing out of the back, though some would have labeled it as "kick ball." Probably had most of the possesion... always trying to find Rozicky (great player).

Glad to see that it was a clean game.. good sportsmanship from both teams for the most part. Pk's were a nail-biter... mcn came out on top. great game to watch.

cinti12

10-23-07, 10:26 PM

A very well played game by both teams. Though mcnick came out victorious I believe finneytown was the better team. Mcnicks goal wasn't legit. Mistakes on defense happen and here smoker just miss hit the ball. Finneytown lost this game; Mcnick didn't win.
Applause to mcnick for the result. Applause to finneytown for a great season. Good luck to both schools next year.

yea mcnick caught a break with their goal, but their defense did what they needed to do to win the game. and even tho smoker had probably the worst game of his life...u cant blame him for that or say that mcnick didnt win the game. mcnick did what they had to do to win. rakoczy was one of, if not the best forwards mcnick played against all year, but their d did a good job of containing him. mcnick knows how it feels to lose in pk's, as they lost their first tourney game last year in pk's. they werent gonna let that happen again. carlascio (mcnick's keep) was pretty impressive with his clutch save and then got right up and made a pk of his own.
congrats to both.

Amo fútbol

10-23-07, 10:46 PM

Yea mcnick did keep rakoczy very tightly marked... And mcn did very well in pks. But you must consider that mcnick would not have had that chance if the weather wasnt so bad and that drop didnt slip off smokers foot. I stick to what i said earlier. Mcnick was not the better team in this match. Smoker is still the best keeper in cincinnati. One game wont change that.
once again congrats to both teams.

rocketballer08

10-23-07, 10:46 PM

i knew mcnick would win. blame a mistake, but mcnick is scrappy and they will take a win like that anyday.

cinti12

10-23-07, 11:49 PM

mcnick is perfectly content with moving on to the district finals rather than 'being the better team'. finneytown shouldnt have had to rely so heavily on smoker.

Amo fútbol

10-23-07, 11:55 PM

mcnick is perfectly content with moving on to the district finals rather than 'being the better team'. finneytown shouldnt have had to rely so heavily on smoker.

I will give you that. Nick did get the result. Good luck

cincysoccer2006

10-24-07, 12:15 AM

um throwing it out there im not a supporter of either side nor was i at the game but if they scored the way i am envisioning it it was lucky and mcnick should own up to it. you can always say 'id rather be lucky than good,' but arguing that u did what u had to do to win the game seems a little ridiculous when you get that lucky.

futboler19

10-24-07, 12:32 AM

Why does that goal being lucky or not matter all in the end...when you look at the bracket in the next ronud it's not going to say "McNick (lucky)" it's just going to say "McNick" Its how the game works

WX Dude

10-24-07, 02:29 AM

You can watch the game here...
http://70.61.148.132/WXOD/WCT%2016091.WMV
all 2 hours 26 minutes of game. :)

Once again the Waycross.tv web site is funky and is displaying many of the tournament possibilities that didn't happen instead of this game. Should be fixed later tomorrow

(It's fixed... the real link is HERE
http://www.waycross.tv/Boy_Soccer_Sectional_Final)

McNick did not score one single goal through the entire regular game nor the overtimes. Finneytown scored two goals. Unfortunately one of them was on themselves! :)

But at the end of the day...it doesn't matter. McNick moves on and plays in Franklin at 3pm Saturday. Finneytown goes home and next gets together for the Fall Sports Awards.

Great season Finneytown! Good luck McNick!

JogaFc

10-24-07, 06:13 AM

that is a nice feature, nice find, anymore?

chelsea10

10-24-07, 10:36 AM

WX dude, when is the game going to be aired on waycross television?

theozone

10-24-07, 10:47 AM

Watched parts of the game on waycross....please let the Finneytown student announcer know that lateral movement by the goalie is allowed on PKs....Thanks for the link WX dude...

SoccerDad2006

10-24-07, 11:51 AM

It was a well played game by both schools. I hope that Smoker doesn't let the game tarnish what was an outstanding high school career.

My biggest frustration was that this match pointed out the only fundamental problem with soccer as a sport.

Soccer is an inherantly low-scoring game. Those who love the sport appreciate the finesse that happens between the end lines and don't need 100-98 scores like in the NBA.

Unfortunately, in a game with such low scores, one error can be fatal and the end result may not reflect who played the best game. Such was the case tonight.

Finneytown played the better ball. Period. End of story. McNick barely had any shots on goal while Finneytown had numerous. They contained Rakoczy well, but the triple teaming he drew opened up opportunities for the rest of the team and Kalimara scored the legitimate goal.

But one mistake cost Finneytown the match.

But that is the nature of the sport, and in the end all players handled themselves with dignity. I wish McNick well as they go forward in the tournament. I hope the Finneytown players hold their heads up and enjoy the memories of a great season.

WX Dude

10-24-07, 12:23 PM

WX dude, when is the game going to be aired on waycross television?

The times below are the original scheduled times when the game had a two hour time block. Since the game is 2:30 these might shift when next week's schedule is finalized tomorrow.
In Greenhills, Forest Park Springfield Twp and most of Wyoming

Channel 4 Warner Cable
TONIGHT 6:30pm (this one is set in stone)
10/29 4pm
11/2 6pm

Channel 8 (15 without a cable box)
10/30 8pm

Channel 15 (22 without a cable box)
10/27 9am

Channel 24 -- In most of greater Cincinnati (Check channel 24...if you get TV Guide Channel, you will not get this game)
10/27 3 am
Set your DVRs! Saturday Morning! :)

WX Dude

10-24-07, 12:35 PM

Watched parts of the game on waycross....please let the Finneytown student announcer know that lateral movement by the goalie is allowed on PKs....Thanks for the link WX dude...

Did that rule change recently?
I am not disputing that this is the rule now. I really don't keep up with the rules changes as I should. Thanks for telling me about that.

When I played (and we were dodging dinosaurs and avoiding swooping pterodactyls) the rule was that the keeper had to keep his heels on the line until the ball was kicked. The keeper could bounce around the net until the referee blew the whistle. Then the keeper had to keep his heels on the line!

Both the announcers were soccer coaches and one was an official until recently. They tell me that's the way the rules were and were not aware of the change.

I'd love to have student announcers, but no one steps up to the plate! :)

See ya
Tony

WX Dude

10-24-07, 12:48 PM

that is a nice feature, nice find, anymore?

I will be putting together the St. X vs Colerain game this afternoon and should be available tonight. No announcers on that one unfortunately.

phatneff

10-24-07, 01:05 PM

phatneff

10-24-07, 01:07 PM

Did that rule change recently?
I am not disputing that this is the rule now. I really don't keep up with the rules changes as I should. Thanks for telling me about that.

When I played (and we were dodging dinosaurs and avoiding swooping pterodactyls) the rule was that the keeper had to keep his heels on the line until the ball was kicked. The keeper could bounce around the net until the referee blew the whistle. Then the keeper had to keep his heels on the line!

Both the announcers were soccer coaches and one was an official until recently. They tell me that's the way the rules were and were not aware of the change.

I'd love to have student announcers, but no one steps up to the plate! :)

See ya
Tony

This rule has been changed for quite a while now. Honestly, it didn't sound like either of them knew the rules. No offense to them, but they weren't that great to listen to. I had to shut down the sound.

I would love to announce for you, but I am busy reffing my own games.

theozone

10-24-07, 01:13 PM

I believe the law was amended (if that's what FIFA does) in 1997. Goalies may move laterally, but can't come "off the line" until the ball is struck. (Of course, that didn't stop Brianna Scurry in the Women's World Cup championship game.)

theozone

10-24-07, 03:35 PM

WX Dude, Thanks for all your hard work getting soccer games televised and such...the soccer community greatly appreciates it!

UwishUknew

10-24-07, 11:08 PM

thanks WX Dude for posting the link. I was not at the game, but after watching it I gotta give mad props to Finneytown. They were so unlucky and handed McNick a gift. A goal is a goal and a win is a win but come on McNick, you have to admit that Finneytown handed you that game....Hopefully in their next game McNick will at least put one of their own goals in to win the game. I'm picking them to come out as district champs.

cinti12

10-25-07, 07:10 AM

no such thing as unlucky.
lack of skill/ concentration results in what u may see as unlucky.

Statechamps02

10-25-07, 09:45 AM

I disagree. Shooting a ball and it hitting a puddle of water.mud and stopping would be considered unlucky in my POV. A shot taken that barely nics off a defender and hits the wood work is unlucky to me. A keeper diving to save a ball before it was deflected by a defender is unlucky. Plenty of things are unlucky. Now a one v one on goal that gets shanked is not unlucky, pure lack of concentration/skill.

cinti12

10-25-07, 04:59 PM

ok ill agree with that. mcnick's goal (ft's own goal) was not unlucky tho. i respect smoker and doubt he ever whiffs like he did tuesday night...it wasnt a lack of skill, but he did have a lapse in concentration. it wasnt unlucky.

rocketballer08

10-25-07, 09:51 PM

soccer2213

10-25-07, 10:12 PM

Hmm... I'm suprised that we haven't heard anything from eplfan about all this hullaballoo. I would think he would have something to say about his beloved Wildcats. Oh and where was Sandmann? I thought he was the truth.

rocketballer08

10-25-07, 10:32 PM

haha sandmann may have not played his best game, but his presence is certainlly felt on the field. he played 107 of 110 minutes.

rocketballer08

10-25-07, 10:37 PM

not to mention he pulled out a sick move here and there

soccerpractice

10-25-07, 10:41 PM

Agreed. both teams were able to neutralize key players. FT man marked him throughout the entire game. McNick doubled or even tripled up on Rockozy (srry still havent gotten his name right) to shut him down.

UwishUknew

10-25-07, 10:53 PM

defently not unlucky, he should of just stopped the ball before kicking it anyway, it was his fault. and you never know what would of happened if they didnt get an own goal, mcnick might of played more aggresive and scored anyway, so u cant say mcnick would of lost if it werent for the own goal.

I agree, Smoker had a lapse in judgement. But it still doesn't change the fact that McNick was served up a game on a silver platter. In the video I saw, it looked like they played hard, but they didn't have many chances on goal. So yes, I can say that they would have lost if it weren't for the gift. A team that only plays more aggressive when they are losing is a sorry team. My coach would rip us if we only played better when we were down. Why can't you just acknowledge the fact that you were fortunate to get that first goal and it allowed you to win? Again, congrats on moving on though. That's what this tourney is about.

cinti12

10-25-07, 11:01 PM

yes mcnick was fortunate. sure they were served a win on a silver platter...that was such a nice gift from finneytown. finneytown had more chances, didnt do much of anything with them tho. sent many balls over and wide of the goal.

cinti12

10-25-07, 11:03 PM

I agree, Smoker had a lapse in judgement. But it still doesn't change the fact that McNick was served up a game on a silver platter. In the video I saw, it looked like they played hard, but they didn't have many chances on goal. So yes, I can say that they would have lost if it weren't for the gift. A team that only plays more aggressive when they are losing is a sorry team. My coach would rip us if we only played better when we were down. Why can't you just acknowledge the fact that you were fortunate to get that first goal and it allowed you to win? Again, congrats on moving on though. That's what this tourney is about.

oh and finneytown must be a "sorry team" since it took them an own goal to get fired up.

acmilan13

10-25-07, 11:27 PM

McNick played as aggressive as they could. That is a weak statement to say they would have played harder if there was no own goal.

Smoker made a very nice save on the ONLY shot on goal that Mcnick had. They had no shots on frame during the entire second half and all of overtime, and I know they were not packing it in because why would their strategy be to go to OT and penalties? I realize the end result was that McNick advanced on penalties but I highly doubt that their coach was content with them getting shelled the way they were during the majority of the match without attempting to form an attack of their own.

Bottom line is they could not do anything at all offensively against Finneytown's defense and the midfield pretty much went to Finneytown's advantage as well. McNick did a nice job containing Rakoczy with 3 guys, but Finneytown still had several good opportunities. Carlascio made a couple nice saves and there were some near misses. As far as Sandmann being the truth, the "truth" is he was shut down by a Sophomore. He is a good player I will give him that but he didn't create anything and was shut down.

How about that acting job by McNick's #21? Diving after he faked getting elbowed? If you have not seen it tune in to the replay it is during the 1st OT. It was not very classy and I would be embarrassed for him if I were his teammates.

McNick advanced...congrats to them. They did not deserve to win the match though and anyone that saw the match live or on video should tell the same story. Unfortunately for Finneytown the better team does not always win. Good luck to McNick. You guys should beat Oakwood but if you do good luck to you against Watterson or Bexley because if you play to tie or rely on an own goal then you will be in some trouble.

acmilan13

10-25-07, 11:28 PM

oh and finneytown must be a "sorry team" since it took them an own goal to get fired up.

It didn't take the own goal to get them fired up....they leveled the score after the own goal but were playing hard from the whistle. Not sure of your point here.

cinti12

10-26-07, 10:47 AM

It didn't take the own goal to get them fired up....they leveled the score after the own goal but were playing hard from the whistle. Not sure of your point here.

finneytown had 0 shots on goal before their own goal. so yea, it took an own goal to get them fired up. they scored on their first shot of the game and that was it. i wouldnt call that controlling the game either.

eplfan87

10-26-07, 02:59 PM

You wanted to hear from me so here it is :)

I would have to agree with everything acmilan has said. The back three for McNick were amazing, the best Finneytown has seen all season. Rakoczy did not have as much room as he normally does when he has the ball, but I think he did an excellent job of giving the ball up to his team mates. He fed some sick balls, as well as pulled some sick moves. Rakoczy did compliment the back three at the end of the game.

I was dissappointed in Sandmann's play, however. He is not all that he is hyped to be. He is a great player, don't get me wrong. I just don't think that "the truth" is the best name to place on him.

Now, on to Smoker. I feel sorry for the guy that he had to go out like that. He is a great keeper, and it showed his whole career. Mistakes happen. That's all I have to say about him. As for the goal itself, it was a great break for McNick. However, I disagree that the goal was the point where Finneytown started playing. Finneytown was dominating play from the first whistle till the goal, and continued to press after that.

I have no comment on the dive, for none is needed.

Both teams were amazing and it was a great battle to watch. McNick ended up coming out on top in penalty kicks, and that is that. Finneytown has no excuses for losing. Lack of finishing on a penalty kick is unexcusable in my opinion.

As for my beloved wildcats, we will be back next year, only losing 3 starters. I cannot see them losing many games next year.

Good luck, McNick.

soccerpractice

10-26-07, 04:30 PM

You wanted to hear from me so here it is :)
I was dissappointed in Sandmann's play, however. He is not all that he is hyped to be. He is a great player, don't get me wrong. I just don't think that "the truth" is the best name to place on him.

"The Truth" is obviously an exageration that could only really be used to label a soccer super-star. What you must remember is that anyone who watched the game that had not seen Smoker play before would say the same thing: not all he is cracked up to be. Both players are much better than what they displayed Tuesday night. Its not really fair to formulate an opinion on a player after seeing them play once, but I doubt you'd want to make the trek to Franklin on Saturday at 5 :) . I guess the only chance left to see them play together is the All-City game (even though they'll be playing on the same team). Seems like D II should have a better team this year... but I guess thats for another thread.

As for the dive... yeah. That was some good drama :rolleyes:

rocketballer08

10-26-07, 04:56 PM

yea u can def not pass judgment on joey "da truth" sandmann based on one game in the pouring rain. and when i mean play agressive, i mean play to score more than to defend. also you have to admitt regardless of how hard u can say ur playing, u always play a little bit harder when you have too. its like sure 2 teams will be playing their guts out all game, but when there is 1 min left, they will absoloutly do anything to score or whatever. and mcnick deserved to win because they did win. mcnick didnt make mistakes and finnytown did, therefore mcnick was the better team that day. simple as that

eplfan87

10-27-07, 07:42 AM

rocketballer08

10-27-07, 12:17 PM

well mcnick won so ur wrong. the better team that day always wins, because they make the ball go in the net more, which makes them better. now if an eagle came down and blocked a FT shot, then i would consider that unlucky and say FT might have been better, but when a FT player makes a mistake thats his own fault.

rocketballer08

10-27-07, 12:18 PM

All CHL teams never admitt it when the loose, the chl is so overated and they are always ranked high in everysport then lose right away in every sport when they actually have to play tough teams. get over yourselfs, mcnick won FT lost.

WX Dude

10-27-07, 01:54 PM

well mcnick won so ur wrong. the better team that day always wins, because they make the ball go in the net more, which makes them better.

Well if that's your criterion, McNick and Finneytown are still tied!

McNick made the ball go in the net 4 times (4 PK)
Finneytown made the ball go in the (opposing team's) net 4 times (1 during the game and 3 pk)
So time to get back out on the field with Finneytown! :)

Good luck in tonight's game McNick!

rocketballer08

10-27-07, 03:08 PM

haha yes but finnytown made it go in their own net which is like -10 points

soccerpractice

10-27-07, 11:53 PM

very good points from both sides... :)

WX Dude

10-28-07, 02:01 AM

Congrats to McNick on their decisive victory over Oakwood!

Mcnickrocket22

10-28-07, 12:22 PM

I'm really tired of seeing all the posts on how Mcnick did not deserve that win. It seems like you'd let it go by now. lets replay that night. It was cold, windy, raining like crazy; all of which are terrible conditions for goalie. I know since i've played that position for 11 years and its common sense. This means keepers need to wake up before the game and be ALERT. Both keepers on both sides are two amazing players. Thats obvious. Yet, despite the skill of smoker he made one extremely significant error, which ultimately led to the defeat of finneytown.
I am not blaming the game on smoker. that would be ridiculous. After the error the entire team should have busted ---, and put 2 more in the goal, to negative the one they put on themselves, and put em one up.
as a keeper i am always hesitant about playing balls back to me in extremely bad conditions. One bad hop.. and its in the goal. Both defenses played amazing however. Each side shut down key players: both racoczy and sandmann. However though i doubt you should judge any player, no matter how good or how bad they played on only one game. For seeing sandmann and the rest of this team play the entire season, i know, they hadn't played their best the entire night. so i think its rude and ignorant to judge them based on how they played during a game with crappy conditions.
So despite the fact that both teams manage to shutdown key players, the conditions were terrible, and pressure was high for the tourney, mcnick managed to pull through and defeat finneytown. Finneytown could beat Mcnick 9 times outta ten, i personally doubt that but hey thats me. The point is the didnt beat mcnick that night which makes Mcnick the better team that night. So stop poutin around and grow up and accept the defeat. and remember. HEY! theres always next year.

WX Dude

10-28-07, 11:14 PM

It makes McNick the better team at PKs.

soccerfan40

10-29-07, 07:12 AM

I am new to yappi but what I am reading is kind of funny. The game of soccer is and always will be a sport where the "best" team doesn't always win. As a matter of fact, according to scores this year, Finneytown, I believe had 5 ties. The were not an explosive offensive team. They had a good defense and a great keeper. However, when you get to the tournament anything can happen as we have seen. McNick plays a very tough schedule in the GCL priming them for the state tournament.

It is tough to hear that Smoker made that error, however, he is a senior and a least a three year starter in goal, and he probably should have used some better judgement with the conditions the way they were. You can't blame the game on him, because he probably has won Finneytown many games during his career.

As for the PK's. Yes McNick won on PK's because they were better at them than Finneytown on this night. PK's are a part of the process. There have been World Cup Championship's and Ohio State Championships decided on PK's. Everyone who loses in the process says that they don't like it. I also agree that it might not be the correct way to decide a match, but it is the way it is done. On this particular night, due to conditions, McNick won. It doesn't mean they were the "best" team. They just did what they had to do to get the job done.