View Full Version : the elder hype?
Elderdad924
09-26-07, 09:59 PM
is elder really as good as people are saying? thoughts?
soccerpractice
09-26-07, 10:18 PM
I don't think so... all they really have is Mueller (not sure if i got the spelling right.. number 10 i think). They obviously have skill, but it isn't anything worth all the hype. Their record and the results of their games confuse me.
cincysoccer2006
09-27-07, 01:38 AM
all i know is they beat mcnick
Statechamps02
09-27-07, 04:05 PM
They have been fighting 3 key injuries since the oak hills game. One of the 3 players still hasn't played since. Kind of ruins some rhythm. However, a W is a W, no matter how you look at it. As much as people compare scores around here, they don't mean anything. Mason comapres the Oak Hills game, beating them 3-0 at half while Elder only won 2-0. But does anyone take into count how BIG of a rivalry that game is??? Oak Hills got up for that game. I'd say there were 40 fouls called in that game, no lie. They also left the grass 6 inches long. Sure as ---- slows down a fast Elder team. Elder beat fairfield 4-1. Mason only beat fairfield 2-0. Depends on the day, depends on the bounces on the field. I definitely don't think Elder should be ranked above West or Mason until proven otherwise. But they are right at their heels.
ALLsport00
09-27-07, 04:55 PM
Dont they have a kid Meyer maybe something like that, that can chuck the ball from around midfield into the 6? THAT is a weapon
futbolconvert
09-27-07, 05:53 PM
Dont they have a kid Meyer maybe something like that, that can chuck the ball from around midfield into the 6? THAT is a weapon
yeah thats a good weopon but if you look at most schools they have somebody that can throw far so thats nothin outta the ordinary
cinti12
09-27-07, 05:58 PM
meyer throws the ball furhter than anyone i have ever seen.
whenever he takes a throw in that is in the offensive half, it becomes a goal scoring opportunity.
pretty impressive.
futbolconvert
09-27-07, 07:10 PM
meyer throws the ball furhter than anyone i have ever seen.
whenever he takes a throw in that is in the offensive half, it becomes a goal scoring opportunity.
pretty impressive.
yeah it is but for most high level club teams that is key thing to have
bombers all the way
09-27-07, 08:14 PM
yeah but this is high school not high level club.
his throw isnt like anyone elses, its like someone sent a driven ball into the box
msnsoccer05
09-27-07, 08:44 PM
the peter kid from milford has a better throw
Statechamps02
09-27-07, 08:56 PM
Meyer does launch the ball in from 45 yards out to the backpost on a line drive. It is impressive, especilly when the keeper usually cannot hold on to the ball. This is not normal. I know kids can throw it in the box line drive from 25 or 30 yards out, but no one else in the city throws it like Meyer. If you think I'm kidding about the 45 yards out part then come to the St.X v Elder game this sat and see for yourself.
radar10
09-27-07, 09:32 PM
:confused: Anyone with any intelligent knowledge of soccer knows in local high school or upper club level that thefinest throw in the state not the city is at Milford....Michelson,,,,period....arguement & debate is over. Currently #2 in D1 schools on assist & the dude plays stopper.....hello!
The kid can throw on a bullet from 40 yds out......unstoppable.
futbolconvert
09-28-07, 10:14 PM
:confused: Anyone with any intelligent knowledge of soccer knows in local high school or upper club level that thefinest throw in the state not the city is at Milford....Michelson,,,,period....arguement & debate is over. Currently #2 in D1 schools on assist & the dude plays stopper.....hello!
The kid can throw on a bullet from 40 yds out......unstoppable.
that makes no sense if the kid from elder throws 45 yards and the kid from milford throws 40 yards then the kid from elder is better
radar10
09-29-07, 07:38 AM
Have you ever thought of accuracy, location of throw, & arc might play into the formula? Eight goals off throw ins in 13 games! Good luck this week w/ your debate team debut!:hello: :hello:
Statechamps02
09-29-07, 09:12 AM
I think this a dumb argument anyway b/c you can't get much better than Meyer...this could might be just as good. Meyer has 5 assists in 11 games off throw-ins. But it is not solely up to the thrower now is it? Obviously Milford must have some good finishers. They both can throw bullets, both are from ridiculously long range, both are pretty damn accurate. So technically, I don't see where the argument or debate was ever won by Milford. Nor do I think it will ever be won by either Milford or Elder. But somehow more ppl know about Meyer than the other kid.
FUTBOOOL
09-29-07, 12:18 PM
I've seen them both throw it but I'm going to have to say peter has a better throw... honestly they both throw it on a line drive but michaelson literally throws it as hard or harder then a lot of guys kick the ball.
charlemurphy
09-29-07, 09:58 PM
is this the elder hype thread or the best throw-in thread i am lost
Oguchi Oneywu!
09-29-07, 10:38 PM
St. X just beat Elder 3-1
Soccerwench
09-29-07, 10:45 PM
I'm from Dayton and have no dog in this hunt, but I've seen both..the kid from Milford , Peter, is the best I have ever seen!
jogabonito
10-02-07, 02:46 PM
I don't remember this "holy thrower" when we played Milford...either he isn't that big of a deal or he didn't play...
radar10
10-02-07, 04:45 PM
Who do you play for......
radar10
10-02-07, 04:59 PM
Who do you play for?
jogabonito
10-02-07, 08:26 PM
tell me who he didn't play against and i'll tell you if he played
Statechamps02
10-02-07, 11:41 PM
I don't remember this "holy thrower" when we played Milford...either he isn't that big of a deal or he didn't play...
He was injured for most of the preseason...so chances are no. Just wondering how Milford got crushed by Elder with their great thrower? Was he out or not used? No finishers yet?
radar10
10-03-07, 06:11 AM
Yogi Bear.....you can't determine anything from the pre season. Most schools haven't even finalized their varsity rosters until 10 days prior to the start of school.
backtip
10-03-07, 06:21 AM
Just wondering, who has Elder played this year (and beaten) that warrants their ranking?
Regarding throw-ins, I have not seen the Elder player. I have seen the Milford player: I have not seen anything like it.
radar10
10-03-07, 01:01 PM
X is best team they have played & got beat. Played some good overall teams outside of their conf. I wouldn't rate the GCL as the top soccer conf. in the city though.
Statechamps02
10-03-07, 05:45 PM
X is best team they have played & got beat. Played some good overall teams outside of their conf. I wouldn't rate the GCL as the top soccer conf. in the city though.
First of all, X is not the best team on their schedule. Their schedule is good. I wouldn't say it is great. The GCL is just as good as any conference in Cincy though. I think the GCL, GMC, and FAVC have an equal amount of good teams. Yeah, the GMC has the best team for sure, but that doesnt rate the overall conf any better. The FAVC has those 4 or 5 competitive teams as well as GCL as well as GMC.
Anyways, the shcedule/results are
vs Sycamore W 2-1
at Fairfield W 4-1
at Oak Hills W 2-0
vs Dayton Carroll W 4-0
at Colerain L 2-1
at Purcell W 7-0
vs Roger Bacon W 3-0
at Lasalle W 2-1
at Alter W 5-2
at Mcnick W 2-0 (called 10 minutes into 2nd half - lightning)
vs X L 3-1
at Chaminade W 3-0
Last 4 games:
Inidan Hill, Badin, Fenwick, Moeller
11 games are GCL games.
Alter is ranked DII, and Carroll should be as well if they are not.
Moeller somehow tied Centerville on Saturday.
radar10
10-03-07, 06:21 PM
If X isn't then who is....GMC is w/o question best overall soccer conf. in the city. I would throw Colerain in as well w/ I beleive a 9-3-1 record. FAVC & GCL both have very good teams, but looking at total conf....GMC is tops.
Statechamps02
10-03-07, 08:04 PM
If X isn't then who is....GMC is w/o question best overall soccer conf. in the city. I would throw Colerain in as well w/ I beleive a 9-3-1 record. FAVC & GCL both have very good teams, but looking at total conf....GMC is tops.
Alter is a damn good team, they beat X. The only thing Alter lacks is size. Carroll is always good, they smoked Lasalle. X is always good. Lasalle can compete just as well as sycamore and princeton can...they beat east. So there is Colerain...on the same level as X. Then West and Mason. Elder has already played with West with mostly all starters playing majority of the game(except no refs) in a scrimmage that Elder won, would be a fun game to watch again for regular season. So now you have Mason which is the top team that gives GMC the edge. So saying w/o question is kind of overstating. Yes they have an edge...are they heads above? Have you gone out and watched all these teams play other than the GMC?? I've watched almost every team in all 3 conferences and the only team that separates GMC from GCL is Mason. Period.
dgains15
10-03-07, 09:09 PM
I think that milford would totally dominate Elder..i mean loses to colerain and X..no disrespect to either of the teams..but with all of the hype comes expectations, and those are games that you are expected to win..and beating Sycamore 2-1 and OH 2-0... :(...even though milford did lose to them in a scrimmage over the summer..that was because we had about 7 current JV players on the team at the time..and we had our JV keeper in..really made a difference because he got 5 goals scored on him.
jogabonito
10-04-07, 02:01 PM
How do you think Elder will handle IH? They have got to be one of if not the smallest schools Elder has to face...
VarsitySoccerGuy
10-04-07, 08:35 PM
they're not going to.....
IH 2
Elder 1
pretty even match but IH wanted it more. elder was missing their best player #10.
Statechamps02
10-04-07, 09:16 PM
I think that milford would totally dominate Elder..i mean loses to colerain and X..no disrespect to either of the teams..but with all of the hype comes expectations, and those are games that you are expected to win..and beating Sycamore 2-1 and OH 2-0... :(...even though milford did lose to them in a scrimmage over the summer..that was because we had about 7 current JV players on the team at the time..and we had our JV keeper in..really made a difference because he got 5 goals scored on him.
First off, I think you underestimate the Elder/OH rivalry...go to that game and tell me that OH didn't play their best game all season.
Secondly, milford would never dominate Elder especially if both teams were playing their top game...I think it'd be a close game. Milford would have more possession, Elder would have more shots. I don't think Milford has a good enough defender to contain Meyer AND schaefer all game long. I've been to 3 Milford games and just haven't seen it yet(besides a good keep). Elder has a weak D as well. Now their central midfield is hurt because they just lost another starter on Tuesday with a broken foot.
As for tonight's game against IH...Elder didn't even look like a top 10 team in the city. Elder practically gifted IH 2 goals-one by stabbing 3 times and the other on a bad decision by the keep to come out. Yeah, Meyer was out due to a concussion I believe and so was the starting mid who is out as well, but I still don't think that is an excuse. Meyer would have scored 2 or 3 against their D. I saw a different lineup tonight with players who normally never play. Maybe that is because the tournament seed voting was last night and the coach didn't care that much. I don't know. But if Elder plays like that again or how they did against X...they will be out the 2nd or 3rd round of the tourney. Simply bad play. Right now Milford does deserve a spot higher than Elder. Milford is playing better ball. But take the best ball between the two teams and it's Elder.
Statechamps02
10-04-07, 09:23 PM
By the way, never say Colerain isn't a good team. 10-3-1 and have knocked off two of the top teams (Elder and West) in the city and tied the best team. Now that just doesn't happen by chance. But it is easier to get up for a game being an underdog. Colerain can be a sleeper.
jogabonito
10-04-07, 09:31 PM
Now don't take too much away from IH. No doubt that the two injured players are big time, but are you going to say that Elder is a two man team? That sure doesn't sound like a top ten team in the city. Elder looked like they underestimated IH and came out soft, but IH was able to keep them at bay once they stepped it up. Elder had plenty of chances to score on their numerous free kicks in the last couple of minutes. Yes Elder is a good team and yes they were missing possibly their two best players, but give IH some credit for a hard fought game against a powerful DI school.
Statechamps02
10-04-07, 09:39 PM
I never said IH was bad, they are decent. Elder did look soft in the beginning of the game just like they have in their past 3 games. Like I said before, a little different lineup than normal, which shouldn't matter a whole lot. But yes, Elder relies heavily on Meyer. If he can't score goals, he's throwing the ball into the back post on every throw-in and getting assists. Not having him play is a two-fold problem. But bottom line is Elder looked HORRIBLE. Come on, did they even string five passes together? Maybe once. Simply put, that is their worst game of the season and they didn't look top 10.
jogabonito
10-04-07, 09:40 PM
Ok fair enough...but at top ten team can't rely on one guy, especially heading into tournament, no matter who you are.
Rickman78
10-04-07, 10:38 PM
starters out- anthony meyer and keith kredwise
plus the coach played 3 kids almost the whole game who have probably seen around 10mins on the field combined...i dont know if the coach didnt care since the seedings have already happened or what..but it was unusaul...
both IH goals werent anyhting speical...but there are no excuses...
IH coached the game very well also...they got up 2-1 at half...and played defense the rest of the game..... well coached
all and all...IH beat a better Elder team
First off, I think you underestimate the Elder/OH rivalry...go to that game and tell me that OH didn't play their best game all season.
There has been a lot of talk about the Elder/OH game and questions on why Elder didn't score more than two goals.
I have had both Elder and OH twice this year and I will tell you that both of them played differently in this game than the other that I had them in. There is definitly something to be said with the rivalry between them because of the different attitude that I saw from both teams that night. But more than that, the reason that Elder didn't score more was because OH's keeper had probably on of the best keeper performances that I have ever seen in HS Soccer. Elder had a multitude of shots and opportunities to score and the keeper was all over them. Many diving saves on great shots taken both inside and out of the box. He stole a lot of balls out of the air and came out of the box several times to intercept balls that I normally wouldn't see keepers get to. Again, probably one of the best performances by a keeper that I have ever seen in HS Soccer.
swsoccer2
10-05-07, 10:35 AM
I've seen most D1 teams in the city play. Now if we can exclude the variable that sometimes its who you play on how you play, and just rate on an any given day performance, bottom line is that elder is playing at a level middle of the road in the top 10. Argueably a 5, 6 or 7. With that said, I think almost any team in the top 10 could make some noise in the tourny, specifically, Sycamore, St.X, Colerain, East, and if you look at tourny stats, Loveland has played a district final 3 years running. So, Mason, Milford, West, Elder, be careful, keep your foot on the gas....
Statechamps02
10-05-07, 02:02 PM
Ok fair enough...but at top ten team can't rely on one guy, especially heading into tournament, no matter who you are.
No, they can't...but they do.
Statechamps02
10-05-07, 02:06 PM
I've seen most D1 teams in the city play. Now if we can exclude the variable that sometimes its who you play on how you play, and just rate on an any given day performance, bottom line is that elder is playing at a level middle of the road in the top 10. Argueably a 5, 6 or 7. With that said, I think almost any team in the top 10 could make some noise in the tourny, specifically, Sycamore, St.X, Colerain, East, and if you look at tourny stats, Loveland has played a district final 3 years running. So, Mason, Milford, West, Elder, be careful, keep your foot on the gas....
I'm glad to see someone else agrees that Colerain, st.X and sycamore are legit.
radar10
10-06-07, 01:05 PM
Anyone know what happened w/ Loveland v. Mason this afternoon?
Top 3 are justified:
Mason
LW
Elder
St. X I question as #4 in front of Milford.....MHS is a solid 4 & nothing higher based on their results w/ the top 2 at least.
D1 state draw is Sunday. Brackets & seeds posted early next week.
soccer2213
10-06-07, 01:51 PM
starters out- anthony meyer and keith kredwise
plus the coach played 3 kids almost the whole game who have probably seen around 10mins on the field combined...i dont know if the coach didnt care since the seedings have already happened or what..but it was unusaul...
both IH goals werent anyhting speical...but there are no excuses...
IH coached the game very well also...they got up 2-1 at half...and played defense the rest of the game..... well coached
all and all...IH beat a better Elder team
Agreed. Even without those two Elder is definitely still good enough to beat IH by multiple goals. But they didn't and it's no one's fault but their own.
swsoccer2
10-06-07, 06:16 PM
All predictions out there were legit. Mason senior day started all seniors, seemed disorganized at first, and as a result found themselves down 2-0 early in the match. They found themselves quickly and rattled off 4 straight before half. At this point all predictions that Loveland would begin thinking about homecoming were also true. Mason 5, Loveland 2, word has it, nothing real pretty about this game, oh, except some ref issues, imagine that!
radar10
10-07-07, 07:24 PM
Based on seedings & brackets....hopefully we'll finally find out non pre season who is the better team between Elder & Milford.
GCL v. FAVC new comer.
dgains15
10-08-07, 08:51 PM
By the way, never say Colerain isn't a good team. 10-3-1 and have knocked off two of the top teams (Elder and West) in the city and tied the best team. Now that just doesn't happen by chance. But it is easier to get up for a game being an underdog. Colerain can be a sleeper.
True...veryyy true
have a great keeper in Austin...have trained with him a few dozen times..and i have to say he has great technique and he has one of the longest reachs especially being a 91' in the ODP scheme...and i have seen casey widdle (or however you spell it) also another fantastic player..great touch and accelerates quickly with the ball. could definatly be a sleeper..
Dont know much about them other than that but should be a crazy tournament coming up with at least 2-3 sleepers on the cincinnati side and
envelope
10-12-07, 08:38 PM
Best striker out there, div 1, 2, 3, 4 whatever. His goals speak for him! Every team who plays him knows it.
MilfordEagles02
10-14-07, 12:16 PM
Secondly, milford would never dominate Elder especially if both teams were playing their top game...I think it'd be a close game. Milford would have more possession, Elder would have more shots. I don't think Milford has a good enough defender to contain Meyer AND schaefer all game long. I've been to 3 Milford games and just haven't seen it yet(besides a good keep).
I don't understand how you can say that Milford doesn't have a good enough defense? 3 games is not enough to determine anything. Our DEFENSE is what held the whole team together this season and earned us an 11-4-1 season(not very impressive I know, but still). Our defense has helped us incredibly the whole season because of how well we mark players out of the game.
Pre-season we were very unorganized and out of shape, we have improved tremendously as a team. I look forward to playing Elder in the 3rd round of State(knock on wood), should be a huge game. I believe we can shut Meyer and Schaefer(?) out of the game.
radar10
10-14-07, 04:12 PM
Best striker out there, div 1, 2, 3, 4 whatever. His goals speak for him! Every team who plays him knows it.
Bingo....greatest strength is greatest weakness. "Every team" knows it now. Every team will or should place man on him one on one....entire game regardless of offense or defense. Secondly, he should make sure his mom goes to Wal*Mart & buys some SHOUT for the tourney since he'll more than likely be picking himself off the turf from the first whistle. Great teams don't let great players hold or touch the ball too long. He'll be hearing footsteps & if well coached will be knocked off the ball "legally" from day one. Can he play this style of soccer???? :shrug: :shrug:
Statechamps02
10-14-07, 08:32 PM
Ok, never said Milford's defense wasn't good...I just said they have no one to contain him the WHOLE game. Now, it is a different story if he will finish every thing that is given to him.
Secondly, the kid is a man among boys out there...how else do you think he scores goals?? By pure skill? The kid takes hits and dishes them out. Of course everyone team knows what he can do, that's why it's so fun to watch him do different things each game given the different situations he is put up against. Also, there is no defensive player that will knock him to the ground "legally" EVERY time...takes alot to bring him down. Yes, he can be defended...every one can be. As I said before, you can't stop him every time...it's up to him if he can finish with what may be the little chances he is given. It will be fun though if Milford plays them. Definitely a game I will attend. Both have some dangerous players.
WayneWarrior
10-15-07, 12:16 PM
If both teams make it.....it would be Huber Heights Wayne and Elder......at Princeton......what do you think the outcome will be?
Statechamps02
10-15-07, 04:47 PM
To be honest, I know nothing about Wayne except that they have a pretty good team. So I couldn't tell ya what Wayne would do against anyone.
StXSoccer16
10-15-07, 06:06 PM
Ok, never said Milford's defense wasn't good...I just said they have no one to contain him the WHOLE game. Now, it is a different story if he will finish every thing that is given to him.
Secondly, the kid is a man among boys out there...how else do you think he scores goals?? By pure skill? The kid takes hits and dishes them out. Of course everyone team knows what he can do, that's why it's so fun to watch him do different things each game given the different situations he is put up against. Also, there is no defensive player that will knock him to the ground "legally" EVERY time...takes alot to bring him down. Yes, he can be defended...every one can be. As I said before, you can't stop him every time...it's up to him if he can finish with what may be the little chances he is given. It will be fun though if Milford plays them. Definitely a game I will attend. Both have some dangerous players.
just throwing this out there but im pretty sure St. X shut him down. If i remember right he had one shot and it wasnt on frame.
Statechamps02
10-15-07, 07:28 PM
One shot? He had 5 and got a concussion if I remember right. Oh yeah, ask the Elder players how many times he got the ball first half. Can't shoot when your team can't get you the ball. I never said he was god, nor did I agree he was the best striker in the city. You're not the only team he hasnt scored against. Don't flatter yourself.
envelope
10-16-07, 12:49 PM
Bingo....greatest strength is greatest weakness. "Every team" knows it now. Every team will or should place man on him one on one....entire game regardless of offense or defense. Secondly, he should make sure his mom goes to Wal*Mart & buys some SHOUT for the tourney since he'll more than likely be picking himself off the turf from the first whistle. Great teams don't let great players hold or touch the ball too long. He'll be hearing footsteps & if well coached will be knocked off the ball "legally" from day one. Can he play this style of soccer???? :shrug: :shrug:
Radar, I guess he has just been floating along all season and not one team came up with your defense against him. You should be a coach, you could rule the GCL, the GMC maybe even World Cup. Wake up son, every team has tried to stop him. Goal count, check it out, I think your radar is off this time.:shrug:
radar10
10-17-07, 06:34 AM
Mr. Envelope.....WMT & Super Target have SHOUT on sale this week. I guess starting this weekend & hopefully next week we'll all see just how good he really is when he begin:Ohno: s to play some talented teams. You should think about buying the peel & stick envelopes instead of the lick'em type.
goggles10
10-17-07, 07:07 PM
If both teams make it.....it would be Huber Heights Wayne and Elder......at Princeton......what do you think the outcome will be?
i have never seen elder play but from what i hear if Wayne can handle Meyer, they got the game won. but well never know until game time
radar10
10-17-07, 08:39 PM
Elder has to get to Princeton first....love it....teams who think ahead & discount their next opponent. Must be a purple thing!:crush:
Didn't Meyer play against CJ with the concussion from the X game and score on a header? He was then forced to sit out the IH game after admitting to his coaches what the MD said?
He was "shut down" by Badin, right? Only had an assist in the 3-0 win? How many guys were marking him that night?
Sounds like a tough kid. Sounds like somebody who would welcome a challenge.
Elder has to get to Princeton first....love it....teams who think ahead & discount their next opponent. Must be a purple thing!:crush:
I don't think anyone on hear has mentioned Elder looking ahead to Wayne.
It was someone from Wayne looking ahead to the possible matchup vs Elder.
Statechamps02
10-18-07, 09:26 AM
h*ll...why are they looking to either team first? They have to play Kings on Saturday. I know they have one of the top scorers in the city. Never seen him play though.
radar10
10-20-07, 04:00 PM
What was score today?
titan32
10-20-07, 08:22 PM
What was score today?
Elder 2
Kings 1
radar10
10-21-07, 07:29 PM
Post season nerves.....Kings takes them to OT???? WOW....could there possibly be some talent outside of the GCL? :eek:
Statechamps02
10-21-07, 10:58 PM
Who ever said there wasn't? Winton Woods and Milford went to OT as well.
WayneWarrior
10-25-07, 12:18 PM
If I do recall....I was saying Wayne Elder in district finals.....
Statechamps02
10-25-07, 02:43 PM
Yes you did, now who is going to win?
WayneWarrior
10-25-07, 06:45 PM
Cant say i have no idea...should be a great game....i play for Wayne
goggles10
10-26-07, 09:01 AM
it will be a great game. i will be at the wayne elder and mason colrein game and im excited to watch what should be two great games.
im goin with these predictions.
Wayne 1 Elder 1 Wayne wins in pks
Mason 2 Colrein 1
i agree with your prediction that mason wins!
now that theyve gotten through a few games they can start to gain momentum and i dont see them losing any time soon!
mason rolls past colerain
Soccerwench
11-03-07, 09:30 AM
Is it settled that the game is at Princeton at 2:00???
will there be other games at Princeton today?
well probably a little late
but there is a pretty big game at 11:00 Ursula vs Ursuline
but thats all I know of
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