32,000 Fans (Top 10 Crowd)

[SLCDad]

A few facts about the 32,000 who attended the MNW/SLC game:

1. It was the largest regaular season attendance in Texas history.

2. It was the largest crowd all-time that ANY Florida team has ever played in front of.

3. It was THREE OR FOUR TIMES the size of the attendance at any Herbie game.

4. With the exception of the 2006 Florida state final game which had 24,000 attend, it was DOUBLE the largest crowd ever in Florida.

5. It was probably in the middle of the Top 10 crowds to watch a SLC game.

[Chicago]

Just more people to cry, baby.

[pied]

A few facts about the 32,000 who attended the MNW/SLC game:

1. It was the largest regaular season attendance in Texas history.

2. It was the largest crowd all-time that ANY Florida team has ever played in front of.

3. It was THREE OR FOUR TIMES the size of the attendance at any Herbie game.

4. With the exception of the 2006 Florida state final game which had 24,000 attend, it was DOUBLE the largest crowd ever in Florida.

5. It was probably in the middle of the Top 10 crowds to watch a SLC game.

Not that I doubt you, but do you have a source for that info?

My experience is that this info is hard to locate.

Some of the FL #'s appear to be a little off. The title game crowd last year, (24,628 I think) was the title game record, but not the record overall. I am pretty certain of that.

Less certain is that I recall a SI article many years ago talking about how few are in attendance at Miami HS games. I believe there were Miami Senior High games that drew very large, like 50K or so, in the 50's & 60's.

I thought the Trinity-Bell game in the NFL strike year was pretty large as well.

[WrongPerson]

3. It was THREE OR FOUR TIMES the size of the attendance at any Herbie game.


Well now that they've played in front of 3 or four times the attendance of any of the Herbie games, maybe they'll grow some balls and actually come to Ohio to lose...err play.

[consumerman]

A few facts about the 32,000 who attended the MNW/SLC game:

1. It was the largest regaular season attendance in Texas history.

2. It was the largest crowd all-time that ANY Florida team has ever played in front of.

3. It was THREE OR FOUR TIMES the size of the attendance at any Herbie game.

4. With the exception of the 2006 Florida state final game which had 24,000 attend, it was DOUBLE the largest crowd ever in Florida.

5. It was probably in the middle of the Top 10 crowds to watch a SLC game.


a few facts about the game

1) SLC lost

2) SLC offense had 1 meaningful scoring drive

3) SLC offense had FIVE turnovers

4) SLC running game and star Tre Newton not only did not help, but actually HURT the team

5) despite BS personal foul penalties that kept SLC drives alive and home cooking calls to make completions when the receiver was clearly out of bounds, MNW still took a mercy knee to keep from running up th e score

6) SLC offensive line got manhandled and the QB was forced to make quick desperate throws that led to 3 INT

[RockinL]

A few facts about the 32,000 who attended the MNW/SLC game:

1. It was the largest regaular season attendance in Texas history.

2. It was the largest crowd all-time that ANY Florida team has ever played in front of.

3. It was THREE OR FOUR TIMES the size of the attendance at any Herbie game.

4. With the exception of the 2006 Florida state final game which had 24,000 attend, it was DOUBLE the largest crowd ever in Florida.

5. It was probably in the middle of the Top 10 crowds to watch a SLC game.


And MNW still won. Pretty impressive even for a team of future NFL players.

[Bordertown]

Well now that they've played in front of 3 or four times the attendance of any of the Herbie games, maybe they'll grow some balls and actually come to Ohio to lose...err play.

Why would you? I think promoter will be looking to do more Interstate play IN Texas. Who do you think made more the promoter that flew a team in from Florida and had 32,000 pay for a ticket or the promoter that flew in 3 teams and bus a 4th team in to play in front of 32,000? Where would you play the game?

I went to the Herbie in 2006 and was disappointed by the support of Ohio fans. I know all the reasons. If SLC can draw 32,000 for a game in Texas, why as a promoter would you ever want them to play elsewhere.

Maybe an Ohio team can make the trip next year to Texas,

[concha]

A few facts about the 32,000 who attended the MNW/SLC game:

1. It was the largest regaular season attendance in Texas history.

2. It was the largest crowd all-time that ANY Florida team has ever played in front of.

3. It was THREE OR FOUR TIMES the size of the attendance at any Herbie game.

4. With the exception of the 2006 Florida state final game which had 24,000 attend, it was DOUBLE the largest crowd ever in Florida.

5. It was probably in the middle of the Top 10 crowds to watch a SLC game.


1) Wow. Golly.

2) Not surprised. Texas and ohio are where the crowds are. Back in '01 X and Elder (combined enrollment 2,500 or so) filled Nippert to overcapacity (35k+, apparently some enterprising folks printed out counterfeit tix, they estimated 38k at the game).

3) Don't know where you got this info. Nippert holds 35k. For the Sunday games, the X-DeMatha crowd accounted for the vast majority of the 17k-18k they quoted for attendance for the Sunday games. The weather also a factor. The X-DeMatha game happened at high noon and the temps on the field were measured at 120+. Check out some of the comments. Given the heat and that the game was televised, the attendance was great. http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:QGlLbLuGQoAJ:www.ndnation.com/boards/showpost.php%3Fb%3Dfootball%3Bpid%3D431822%3Bd%3Da ll+herbstreit+nippert+temperature&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us

4) Again, not a shocker.

5) Probably....

[pied]

3) Don't know where you got this info. Nippert holds 35k. For the Sunday games, the X-DeMatha crowd accounted for the vast majority of the 17k-18k they quoted for attendance for the Sunday games. The weather also a factor. The X-DeMatha game happened at high noon and the temps on the field were measured at 120+. Check out some of the comments. Given the heat and that the game was televised, the attendance was great.

I meant to ask this before, and it may have been covered on the regular football board and I missed it.

Was there an issue w/St.X being a Parochial School playing on Sunday.

That would not fly in Texas(public or private), and wondered if it was an issue up there.

[concha]

So far as i know the only issue was with Hoover, which is why they were switched to a Saturday game.

[pied]

So far as i know the only issue was with Hoover, which is why they were switched to a Saturday game.

Interesting. A public school is the one that had the issue. A little surprising to me.

Thanks

[SLCDad]

3) Don't know where you got this info. Nippert holds 35k. For the Sunday games, the X-DeMatha crowd accounted for the vast majority of the 17k-18k they quoted for attendance for the Sunday games. The weather also a factor. The X-DeMatha game happened at high noon and the temps on the field were measured at 120+. Check out some of the comments. Given the heat and that the game was televised, the attendance was great.

I saw the StX / DeMatha. No way was there was anywhere close to 17K-18K for that game. I'd guess closer to 10K-12K at most and probably less. I think somebody on the main football board said there was 8K for the StX/DeMatha game.

[fish82]

Interesting. A public school is the one that had the issue. A little surprising to me.

Thanks

And to top it off, Hoover's flight got back at 3am on Sunday. I wonder how many actually went to church that day?

[D-Swizzel102]

I saw the StX / DeMatha. No way was there was anywhere close to 17K-18K for that game. I'd guess closer to 10K-12K at most and probably less. I think somebody on the main football board said there was 8K for the StX/DeMatha game.

If the total attendence of that day was 17,000+, then the X game had to have around 10-12 k, because there was hardly anyone there for the next two.

[WrongPerson]

Why would you? I think promoter will be looking to do more Interstate play IN Texas. Who do you think made more the promoter that flew a team in from Florida and had 32,000 pay for a ticket or the promoter that flew in 3 teams and bus a 4th team in to play in front of 32,000? Where would you play the game?

I went to the Herbie in 2006 and was disappointed by the support of Ohio fans. I know all the reasons. If SLC can draw 32,000 for a game in Texas, why as a promoter would you ever want them to play elsewhere.

Maybe an Ohio team can make the trip next year to Texas,

I'm sure an Ohio team wouldnt mind, but until there is someone willing to pay for the trip down, its not gonna happen...and until that does happen, the Herbie is the best means of accomplishing a matchup from an Ohio team

[concha]

I saw the StX / DeMatha. No way was there was anywhere close to 17K-18K for that game. I'd guess closer to 10K-12K at most and probably less. I think somebody on the main football board said there was 8K for the StX/DeMatha game.

That's BS. I was THERE, junior.

[concha]

If the total attendence of that day was 17,000+, then the X game had to have around 10-12 k, because there was hardly anyone there for the next two.

There wasn't.

[SLCDad]

That's BS. I was THERE, junior.

Concha, it appears you didn't read the comments posted from your fellow Ohioans. You admit that you stretch the truth. That's what you did in this case.

From Hawk51: "Attendance at the St. Xavier/DeMatha game was FAR LESS than 10,000."

From Grodamighty: "Given that the lower bowl holds 24k, I'll put the attendance at the X game at 8,000-9,500. That's from eye-balling it from our side, but I think I'm probably pretty close."

From btango: "I too was in the press box and the talk was the stadium holds 38,000 including the upper deck and the end zone. We thought the crowds were at best in the 10,000 range per games. Remember when seats are not assigned and it is not packed people take up more than one assigned space and the crowd looks larger than it is."


I stick by my original post. Attendance at the SLC/MNW game was more than THREE TIMES the attendance at the StX/Dematha game.

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[Bordertown]

I'm sure an Ohio team wouldnt mind, but until there is someone willing to pay for the trip down, its not gonna happen...and until that does happen, the Herbie is the best means of accomplishing a matchup from an Ohio team

I think it is the best bet for an Ohio team since they have 11 slots at the Herbie. I have heard that OHSAA has restrictions on travel that create an issue for Ohio teams to travel. That may be the rub on Ohio teams getting invites. I thought I read that for out of state games Ohio teams could not miss classes other than their athletic period.

[D-Swizzel102]

Concha, it appears you didn't read the comments posted from your fellow Ohioans. You admit that you stretch the truth. That's what you did in this case.

From Hawk51: "Attendance at the St. Xavier/DeMatha game was FAR LESS than 10,000."

From Grodamighty: "Given that the lower bowl holds 24k, I'll put the attendance at the X game at 8,000-9,500. That's from eye-balling it from our side, but I think I'm probably pretty close."

From btango: "I too was in the press box and the talk was the stadium holds 38,000 including the upper deck and the end zone. We thought the crowds were at best in the 10,000 range per games. Remember when seats are not assigned and it is not packed people take up more than one assigned space and the crowd looks larger than it is."


I stick by my original post. Attendance at the SLC/MNW game was more than THREE TIMES the attendance at the StX/Dematha game.

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X/DeMatha was part of a weekend event. There were other fantastic games taking place, especially the day before. Most casual fans don't want to shell out, what 15 bucks one day and 15 bucks the next for high school football. Plus Labor Day weekend, plus it was at noon, on a Sunday no less. Unfair comparison in my book.

But even if given the same exact specifications, I would bet that the SLC game would have still outdrawn the X/DeMatha game handily. Texas has a crapload more people, so they should. SLC has an entire "perfect little town" behind them...X does not.

And sure, Texas outdraws Ohio high school football teams on average. Doesn't mean anything about the quality of football played in each state. Just shows that:
1) Texas has more people (which it does).
or
2) Texas has more public schools powerhouses that garner support from entire communities/cities as opposed to Ohio's usual dominance by the private institutions.
or
3) Texas has a bunch of old men that still live through their high school football teams instead of in the real world (probably true).

[consumerman]

3) Texas has a bunch of old men that still live through their high school football teams instead of in the real world (probably true

I dont think he is that old

[consumerman]

Concha, it appears you didn't read the comments posted from your fellow Ohioans. You admit that you stretch the truth. That's what you did in this case.

From Hawk51: "Attendance at the St. Xavier/DeMatha game was FAR LESS than 10,000."

From Grodamighty: "Given that the lower bowl holds 24k, I'll put the attendance at the X game at 8,000-9,500. That's from eye-balling it from our side, but I think I'm probably pretty close."

From btango: "I too was in the press box and the talk was the stadium holds 38,000 including the upper deck and the end zone. We thought the crowds were at best in the 10,000 range per games. Remember when seats are not assigned and it is not packed people take up more than one assigned space and the crowd looks larger than it is."


I stick by my original post. Attendance at the SLC/MNW game was more than THREE TIMES the attendance at the StX/Dematha game.

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when ur team gets their lunch handed to them on their first chance to prove themselves on a national stage (LMAO) you start arguing attendance

that what he is left with

arguing attendance

MNW 29 and takes a knee

SLC 21 and chokes away 5 turnovers

[DLSfanNW]

The SLC mystique may be gone but they are still #1 (in Texas)

[WrongPerson]

I think it is the best bet for an Ohio team since they have 11 slots at the Herbie. I have heard that OHSAA has restrictions on travel that create an issue for Ohio teams to travel. That may be the rub on Ohio teams getting invites. I thought I read that for out of state games Ohio teams could not miss classes other than their athletic period.

I'm not sure on the rule, i think its 600 milesish? If thats true then we'll never find a team from ohio play in texas unless the OHSAA will give a special pardon, but if its a certain team from cincinnati, i would bet against that every happening.

[BobcatBomber]

I'm not sure on the rule, i think its 600 milesish? If thats true then we'll never find a team from ohio play in texas unless the OHSAA will give a special pardon, but if its a certain team from cincinnati, i would bet against that every happening.

Someone who's more "in the know" than I am (which is NIL) informed the the rule for Ohio is one night stay. Teams can travel wherever they want but can only stay the night one night. While that permits some travel, I'm sure it would be quite a strain to travel too far and expect to arrive/play/leave in the same day. :shrug:

Someone correct me on that rule if I'm wrong.

[Chicago]

So more people saw SLC lose than saw St. Xavier win.

I guess that makes it OK.

[concha]

I was there and stick by my estimates. Others are entitled to their own.

Regardless, as has been pointed out, with the following factors working in tandem, is it shocking that SLC-MNW outdrew X-DeMatha?

1) Many thousands of fans had paid to see games (and roast) the previous day.

2) It was oppressively hot, especially to expect people to endure for two days. As mentioned above in the link I provided, it was 120 on the field and under a pounding sun and high humidity (Cincy is in a major river valley).

3) The game was televised locally.

4) Carroll is a much bigger school

5) As pointed out earlier, Carroll has an actual town/city behind it.


X/Elder have filled 35k Nippert to overflow. And their total combined enrollment is only about 2,500.

Hey, did SLC win?

[Chicago]

No, Concha, SLC did not win.

They lost 29-21, and a lot of people seem to think it could have been a lot worse.

It seems the vaunted SLC passing attack will throw the ball to just about anyone on the field, no matter what team they are on.

[SLCDad]

The SLC mystique may be gone but they are still #1 (in Texas)

The A.P. poll this week has Katy #1 and SLC #2 in Texas.

[pied]

I was there and stick by my estimates. Others are entitled to their own.

Regardless, as has been pointed out, with the following factors working in tandem, is it shocking that SLC-MNW outdrew X-DeMatha?

1) Many thousands of fans had paid to see games (and roast) the previous day.-Good point none of the 32,000 in attendance at SMU went to games the previous day, or had stuff going on all day Saturday

2) It was oppressively hot, especially to expect people to endure for two days. As mentioned above in the link I provided, it was 120 on the field and under a pounding sun and high humidity (Cincy is in a major river valley).-It was a nice cool September evening in Dallas. Not really, it was hot, but I do not think it was 120 on the field.
3) The game was televised locally.-So was the SLC game, at the same time the other local power was on TV. Also kickoff was minutes after UT finished their game on TV making the trip a little less likely for some(like me)

4) Carroll is a much bigger school-I am going to go out on a limb and say that St.X has a bigger alumni base. I will also venture to say they are more involved witht eh school than the SLC group.

5) As pointed out earlier, Carroll has an actual town/city behind it.-And that city is much smaller than the geographic are that the St. X students are from.


X/Elder have filled 35k Nippert to overflow. And their total combined enrollment is only about 2,500.-Great turnout. Was that a one time thing, or do they do that yearly?

Hey, did SLC win?-Nope


concha, I have determined you remind me of Dale Hansen a local sports guy. Probably won't mean anything to you but the DFW guys might understand.


SLCDad-have you been able to round up some sources for that info?

[concha]

concha, I have determined you remind me of Dale Hansen a local sports guy. Probably won't mean anything to you but the DFW guys might understand.


SLCDad-have you been able to round up some sources for that info?

pied,

1) The temperature/sun/humidity was freaking oppressive. From the link i posted above:


The weather was beautiful both days, with blue skies and rarely even a tiny cloud over Nippert Stadium. However, on the stadium’s artificial FieldTurf surface the heat was stifling. In the second half of Sunday’s opening game, the official temperature on the field was reported at an oppressive 120 degrees. Here are a few examples:

*Cincinnati St. Xavier players seemed to suffer the most as they went down one after another with cramps.

*MaxPreps director of photography Todd Shurtleff estimated that he drank 30 bottles of water in two days and still suffered from heat exhaustion.

*Norm Gross, a longtime friend of mine from northern Virginia, loves to be on the field, but he had to retreat to the press box part of the time due to the heat. The old warhorse said that in 40 years of watching high school football, he could recall only one hotter game – in Arizona – but that was dry heat, not the high humidity of the Midwest.

*My sidekick, Drew Bolka, claimed that he had to leave the field at one point because “my shoes were starting to melt.” I had to take that comment with a grain of salt, but he did make his point.

*A local policeman said that he hardly could wait to get home and peel off the bullet-proof vest and gun he had worn throughout the long, sweltering final day.

*Several ushers actually got excited because they saw a silver lining in two tiny clouds approaching the skies above the stadium.


2) It sounds like in Dallas there were two comfortable options. In Cincy there was not.

3) The DFW Metroplex has roughly 3x the population of Cincy

4) Apart from alums, there is no community that really associates itself with St. X like Southlake would to SLC.

5) I have no idea how big the X alumni base around Cincy is. I would think the SLC being larger and actually have a town/city associated with it would work to SLC's advantage in putting butts in seats. Also, I think you are being disingenuous in acting like only Southlake cares about SLC. They rep DFW football. They aren't just covered in the Southlake local rag, right? As noted, DHW is 3x the size of Cincy.

6) That turnout I reference I reference was exceptional, of course. t was for a game that locally due to rankings, rivalry and run for the title had extra hype.

[SLCDad]

I would think the SLC being larger and actually have a town/city associated with it would work to SLC's advantage in putting butts in seats. Also, I think you are being disingenuous in acting like only Southlake cares about SLC. They rep DFW football. They aren't just covered in the Southlake local rag, right? As noted, DHW is 3x the size of Cincy.

You say SLC is larger than StX. Not really. It depends on how you count.

StX has 1,173 boys in grades 9-11. If you adjust that to be 9-12 the number is 1,564. That makes StX about 20% LARGER than SLC who has about 1,300 boys.

To say SLC has an advantage in attendance due to size is wrong.

We all know that Texas draws much larger high school football crowds than Ohio. That's just a fact. The StX/DeMatha game drew 8,000-10,000. The SLC/MNW game drew 32,000.

[Chicago]

So the girls at SLC don't have butts?

Interesting.

[pied]

pied,


4) Apart from alums, there is no community that really associates itself with St. X like Southlake would to SLC.-Interesting, I imagined much of the local Catholics would associate itself with local schools.

5) I have no idea how big the X alumni base around Cincy is. I would think the SLC being larger and actually have a town/city associated with it would work to SLC's advantage in putting butts in seats. Also, I think you are being disingenuous in acting like only Southlake cares about SLC. They rep DFW football. They aren't just covered in the Southlake local rag, right? As noted, DHW is 3x the size of Cincy.-There were certainly more people there than just Southlake faithful. DFW is larger no doubt, but I don't think I would argue that if you tripled the Cin. area that you would double the attendance at a HS football game.

I think #6 highlights that people will turnout, they simply decided not to whne the top ranked team in the state took on a Nationally top ranked team.

6) That turnout I reference I reference was exceptional, of course. t was for a game that locally due to rankings, rivalry and run for the title had extra hype.

nm

[concha]

You say SLC is larger than StX. Not really. It depends on how you count.

StX has 1,173 boys in grades 9-11. If you adjust that to be 9-12 the number is 1,564. That makes StX about 20% LARGER than SLC who has about 1,300 boys.

To say SLC has an advantage in attendance due to size is wrong.

We all know that Texas draws much larger high school football crowds than Ohio. That's just a fact. The StX/DeMatha game drew 8,000-10,000. The SLC/MNW game drew 32,000.

Only boys go to football games in Texas? Only boys have school pride? Crap attempt at a point, pied.

pied, if you want to ignore 120 degrees in the sun with high humidity, a full slate of games the day before and Friday, a lack of a true community to provide fans, and the fact that DFW is 3x the size of Cincy.... then be happy and jolly in your conclusions. That's fine. Texas rocks. Say high to TexasFrog for me. He appears to be rubbing off on you. :Ohno:

[pied]

Only boys go to football games in Texas? Only boys have school pride? Crap attempt at a point, pied.

pied, if you want to ignore 120 degrees in the sun with high humidity, a full slate of games the day before and Friday, a lack of a true community to provide fans, and the fact that DFW is 3x the size of Cincy.... then be happy and jolly in your conclusions. That's fine. Texas rocks. Say high to TexasFrog for me. He appears to be rubbing off on you. :Ohno:

Huh? I don't think I am ignoring anything. I also think some of the reasons you listed as to why there were not as many people at the St. X game applies to both events.

Much of what you listed applied to me not going to the SLC game.

1. I was worn out because of a full day's activities Friday/Sat
2. I have not debated the heat, at all.
3. The SLC game was televised as was another game of local interest and more importantly for me the horns were on at an adjacent time, trupming 1/2
4. I agree, my only point is that SLC has only been bigger for a relatively short time, and that I know that the St. X alumni assoc is more active at the very least for fundrasing.
5. Understand. It just seems odd to me to list that, and then note a game where they outdrew this game.

I know there were special circumstances for the MNW/SLC game.

[concha]

pied:

1) St. X is not diocesan. It is run by the Jesuits. Schools like Elder tend to hae a much stronger relationships with local parish schools than X does. This is not an argument I'll enter into with you. I know. You don't.

2) "I don't think I would argue that if you tripled the Cin. area that you would double the attendance at a HS football game." Of course you wouldn't. It wouldn't serve your homer argument. Duh.

3) The simple decision involved, for many, paying another $15 each plus parking plus beverages (if you didn't want to pass out) plus whatever else after probably already having attended 1-4 games (at whatever expense) in the previous two days so you could sit under direct sun with a heat index well over 100 degress.... Or maybe take a break and watch the game on tv after getting home from church. Was this the same decision set faced by Texans?

[pied]

pied:

1) St. X is not diocesan. It is run by the Jesuits. Schools like Elder tend to hae a much stronger relationships with local parish schools than X does. This is not an argument I'll enter into with you. I know. You don't.-Don't want to argue, I have very little idea about this and like to learn more. As you are aware the Catholic HS is not as prominent in Dalas as other areas of the country

2) "I don't think I would argue that if you tripled the Cin. area that you would double the attendance at a HS football game." Of course you wouldn't. It wouldn't serve your homer argument. Duh. -So you would? Making that arguement to me, would assume the games in NYC/LA would be large.

3) The simple decision involved, for many, paying another $15 each plus parking plus beverages (if you didn't want to pass out) plus whatever else after probably already having attended 1-4 games (at whatever expense) in the previous two days so you could sit under direct sun with a heat index well over 100 degress.... Or maybe take a break and watch the game on tv after getting home from church. Was this the same decision set faced by Texans?-That appears to be assuming all attendees went to the games the previous day correct? Is that what happened.


Really not certain what we are disucussing. I simply think many of the reasons why fans may not have gone to the game in Cin. were similar to the ones in Dallas. The reason I say so, is among the reasons you listed I faced very similar circumstances and issues.

I only thought there would be 22,500 at the SLC game based on those reasons. I was a little surprised. I also underestimated the 3,000-4,000 fans from Miami. Perhaps DeMatha brought none.

[concha]

Really not certain what we are disucussing. I simply think many of the reasons why fans may not have gone to the game in Cin. were similar to the ones in Dallas. The reason I say so, is among the reasons you listed I faced very similar circumstances and issues.

I only thought there would be 22,500 at the SLC game based on those reasons. I was a little surprised. I also underestimated the 3,000-4,000 fans from Miami. Perhaps DeMatha brought none.


They are not the same. Cincy had three solid days of games. Dallas didn't.

The X game was played after two days of available games and under much more uncomfortable circumstances. It was oppressively hot. Really bad.

Do you think New York and LA have the football cultures of Cincy and Dallas? :hello: All else being equal a bigger population means more butts in seats. Stop acting like it's rocket science.

And I never said everyone attended all the games. Don't be dense. But in that weather and given the costs and time investment, it isn't reasonable to assume that lots of people would go to their teams's game, then maybe big games on Saturday to to roast on the spit and THEN go a to see games a second or third day.

[Dotelesco]

pied:

1) St. X is not diocesan. It is run by the Jesuits. Schools like Elder tend to hae a much stronger relationships with local parish schools than X does. This is not an argument I'll enter into with you. I know. You don't.

2) "I don't think I would argue that if you tripled the Cin. area that you would double the attendance at a HS football game." Of course you wouldn't. It wouldn't serve your homer argument. Duh.

3) The simple decision involved, for many, paying another $15 each plus parking plus beverages (if you didn't want to pass out) plus whatever else after probably already having attended 1-4 games (at whatever expense) in the previous two days so you could sit under direct sun with a heat index well over 100 degress.... Or maybe take a break and watch the game on tv after getting home from church. Was this the same decision set faced by Texans?

1) Love those Jebbies. Your point, re: the diocesan is very valid.

2)Agree with you.

3)Very good points all around. It was scorching. Parking sucked. I couldn't make it to Mass, so I'm sure that's a very valid concern. I was too busy stuck in line getting bagels :thumb:

Also, DeMatha didn't seem to bring many fans at all. Hoover had the biggest visiting crowd by a long shot.


And pied, It is curious that the Jesuit school in Dallas is not nearly as prominent athletically as many across the country. Publics have a stranglehold in Texas, and I'm sure there is alot done to keep it like that. Are parochials not allowed to play in the state playoffs?

Finally, very well written look at the SLC/MNW game:
http://www.maxpreps.com/FanPages/Content/Article.mxp/ArticleID-64b2db7c-298b-4df9-af17-c90f813a3a63

[pied]

They are not the same. Cincy had three solid days of games. Dallas didn't.

The X game was played after two days of available games and under much more uncomfortable circumstances. It was oppressively hot. Really bad.

Do you think New York and LA have the football cultures of Cincy and Dallas? :hello: All else being equal a bigger population means more butts in seats. Stop acting like it's rocket science.

And I never said everyone attended all the games. Don't be dense. But in that weather and given the costs and time investment, it isn't reasonable to assume that lots of people would go to their teams's game, then maybe big games on Saturday to to roast on the spit and THEN go a to see games a second or third day.


No big deal, I agree it's not rocket science. I think you are reading more into this than necessary.

[concha]

1) Love those Jebbies. Your point, re: the diocesan is very valid.

2)Agree with you.

3)Very good points all around. It was scorching. Parking sucked. I couldn't make it to Mass, so I'm sure that's a very valid concern. I was too busy stuck in line getting bagels :thumb:

Also, DeMatha didn't seem to bring many fans at all. Hoover had the biggest visiting crowd by a long shot.


And pied, It is curious that the Jesuit school in Dallas is not nearly as prominent athletically as many across the country. Publics have a stranglehold in Texas, and I'm sure there is alot done to keep it like that. Are parochials not allowed to play in the state playoffs?

Finally, very well written look at the SLC/MNW game:
http://www.maxpreps.com/FanPages/Content/Article.mxp/ArticleID-64b2db7c-298b-4df9-af17-c90f813a3a63

Cincy had 3 days of high school football plus the bengals game plus the fireworks that weekend - all involving time and bucks to see. And pied has no clue how freaking hot it was.

[pied]

And pied, It is curious that the Jesuit school in Dallas is not nearly as prominent athletically as many across the country. Publics have a stranglehold in Texas, and I'm sure there is alot done to keep it like that. Are parochials not allowed to play in the state playoffs?

Finally, very well written look at the SLC/MNW game:
http://www.maxpreps.com/FanPages/Content/Article.mxp/ArticleID-64b2db7c-298b-4df9-af17-c90f813a3a63

Publics certainly hold a strangle hold athletically over the privates in Texas. There are two schools, Dallas Jesuit and Strake Jesuit in Houston that compete in the UIL(with the publics). Dallas Jesuit does pretty well, but that subject is certainly worthy of its own topic or two.

That was a great article. I liked thos quote and the picture associated with it.

During a week filled with vivid colors and unforgettable images, the picture that burns my memory banks deepest is the sight of 150 multi-raced kids kneeled near midfield hand-in-hand in prayer.

[pied]

Cincy had 3 days of high school football plus the bengals game plus the fireworks that weekend - all involving time and bucks to see. And pied has no clue how freaking hot it was.

I have never debated the heat being a factor have I?

[P E R R Y 5 5]

Well now that they've played in front of 3 or four times the attendance of any of the Herbie games, maybe they'll grow some balls and actually come to Ohio to lose...err play.

haahaha

[D-Swizzel102]

Publics certainly hold a strangle hold athletically over the privates in Texas. There are two schools, Dallas Jesuit and Strake Jesuit in Houston that compete in the UIL(with the publics). Dallas Jesuit does pretty well, but that subject is certainly worthy of its own topic or two.

That was a great article. I liked thos quote and the picture associated with it.

I remember at the X-Lakeland game the players/coaches met at midfield afterward and did the same thing. Nice to know that there can be sportsmanship shown at events like this :)

[SLCDad]

Well now that they've played in front of 3 or four times the attendance of any of the Herbie games, maybe they'll grow some balls and actually come to Ohio to lose...err play.

Why would SLC do that? It would be a major step down in quality of competition, atmosphere, crowd size, national exposure, etc., etc., etc.

A MUCH BETTER option would be for an Ohio team to come to Texas so we could show you what a real showcase game is all about.

[consumerman]

Why would SLC do that? It would be a major step down in quality of competition, atmosphere, crowd size, national exposure, etc., etc., etc.

A MUCH BETTER option would be for an Ohio team to come to Texas so we could show you what a real showcase game is all about.

and how to play wide open 5 turnover football

[St.X fan2]

A major step down in the quality of competition? You must be kidding me on this one.

[consumerman]

A major step down in the quality of competition? You must be kidding me on this one.

I assure you he really believes it

even after his team got crushed

[WrongPerson]

Why would SLC do that? It would be a major step down in quality of competition, atmosphere, crowd size, national exposure, etc., etc., etc.

A MUCH BETTER option would be for an Ohio team to come to Texas so we could show you what a real showcase game is all about.

quality of competition? im just gonna laugh at that one, crowd size sure whatever maybe...we have some conflicting ideas about that one. Atmosphere no way no how. You have never experienced the GCL and you probably never will, having said that you will never hear a louder high school crowd than a stadium with 15,000 GCL fans. National exposure? I should just laugh at you again...but ill point it out to you...St. Xavier played DeMatha on ESPN, not ESPNU...thats cable...from extended cable, a bit of a difference there bud.

[consumerman]

A major step down in the quality of competition? You must be kidding me on this one.

this is the same clown who last year, when the DLS-SLC was still possibly "on", and DLS was ranked #1 in the nation by USA Today, said SLC would beat DLS by a MINIMUM of 35 points

I guess MNW would beat DLS by twice that

[SLCDad]

A major step down in the quality of competition? You must be kidding me on this one.

Think about it. MNW was better than anybody at the Herbie.

[SLCDad]

quality of competition? im just gonna laugh at that one, crowd size sure whatever maybe...we have some conflicting ideas about that one. Atmosphere no way no how. You have never experienced the GCL and you probably never will, having said that you will never hear a louder high school crowd than a stadium with 15,000 GCL fans. National exposure? I should just laugh at you again...but ill point it out to you...St. Xavier played DeMatha on ESPN, not ESPNU...thats cable...from extended cable, a bit of a difference there bud.

The SLC/MNW game got more national coverage than any single game at the Herbie. 32,000 fans and a packed stadium has much more atmosphere than the 1/4 filled stadiums (or less) at most of the Herbie games. Even the StX/DeMatha game only drew 8,000 to 10,000 fans. The SLC/MNW game featured higher ranked teams than any game at the Herbie.

I'm know the GCL is great (toughest league in the country), however, attendance at an average SLC home game is higher than any regular season game in the GCL.

Like I said, a better option would be for an Ohio team to come to Texas. If StX or Colerain came to Texas the crowd would be DOUBLE the size of the DeMatha game.

[PorkopolisPigskin]

So these national polls that you've always said were bs, hold no weight, mythical, etc. are now determining that SLC and MNW were "better based on rankings" than any team in the Herbie? That's just a joke... honestly I think you've got some serious problems grasping reality. I watched the whole MNW SLC game and I saw two great teams, BUT I can't say better than St X unless I saw them on the field... and neither could you.

[EaglePride01]

Why would SLC do that? It would be a major step down in quality of competition, atmosphere, crowd size, national exposure, etc., etc., etc.

A MUCH BETTER option would be for an Ohio team to come to Texas so we could show you what a real showcase game is all about.


Im assuming you were just trying to take a cheap shot at the Ohio people who have been busting your balls when you say that you would be taking a major step down in competition by playing an Ohio team. Because if you were being serious than you truly have no idea what true competition is. Ill give you guys credit for the stiff competition in the playoffs that you play, but that is to be expected considering its the playoffs. But your regular season schedule is laughable. The only credible team I see on your schedule this year (other than MNW) that could possibly give you a game is Rockwall.

I mean come on; Haltom? Keller Central? Justin Northwest? Who the ---- are these teams? 90% of the teams in the Herbie would be a MAJOR step UP in competition from the scrubs you tee off on during the regular season. Texas has great teams, but you cetainly dont play any of them until the playoffs.

[St.X fan2]

Think about it. MNW was better than anybody at the Herbie.

SLC:
That may be true but I still don't think the Herbie teams are a major drop in competition since many nationally ranked teams were in the Herbie. Could MNW blow any Herbie team out of the water in your opinion?

[WrongPerson]

The SLC/MNW game got more national coverage than any single game at the Herbie. 32,000 fans and a packed stadium has much more atmosphere than the 1/4 filled stadiums (or less) at most of the Herbie games. Even the StX/DeMatha game only drew 8,000 to 10,000 fans. The SLC/MNW game featured higher ranked teams than any game at the Herbie.

I'm know the GCL is great (toughest league in the country), however, attendance at an average SLC home game is higher than any regular season game in the GCL.

Like I said, a better option would be for an Ohio team to come to Texas. If StX or Colerain came to Texas the crowd would be DOUBLE the size of the DeMatha game.

Like I've said...I've been to a SLC game, and although it was less than the 32k, the packed house in southlake did nothing but sit on their hands and clap after every play, and maybe stand up if a big play happend. X-Elder in the pit or at ballaban, even though it is a fraction of a packed SLC game, will be several times louder - adding more of an 'atmoshpere'

Believe me, I would love for X to come down to texas...I prolly wont get to see them for a long time, and i'd love to see them smother any team from here. But its not gonna happen unless someone gives X and Specht an offer they can't refuse. Coach Specht already doesn't like the big interstate games, but if there was an open week and someone offered it, you better bet your lucky charm he'd take it.

[SLCDad]

Im assuming you were just trying to take a cheap shot . . . .

I took a cheap shot in response to an ever cheaper shot. Go back and look.

[SLCDad]

So these national polls that you've always said were bs, hold no weight, mythical, etc. are now determining that SLC and MNW were "better based on rankings" than any team in the Herbie? That's just a joke... honestly I think you've got some serious problems grasping reality. I watched the whole MNW SLC game and I saw two great teams, BUT I can't say better than St X unless I saw them on the field... and neither could you.

I've never said the polls were BS. Personally I like them.

You must admit, however, that the SLC/MNW game was a game of the highest ranked teams in the country at game time. StX/DeMatha was 2nd in terms of ranked teams and the rest of the Herbie games were behind that. That's what I meant by a step down in the level of competition.

[SLCDad]

Like I've said...I've been to a SLC game, and although it was less than the 32k, the packed house in southlake did nothing but sit on their hands and clap after every play, and maybe stand up if a big play happend. X-Elder in the pit or at ballaban, even though it is a fraction of a packed SLC game, will be several times louder - adding more of an 'atmoshpere'.

Yeah, the SLC fans are extremely used to winning big at home. However, when the games get close when the playoffs come, the SLC fans are as great as any.

Did you see the 55,000 screaming fans in November last year?

[WacoLionBacker]

There was more than 32K at the SLC-MNW game. The stadium seats 32K and it was completely full and people were standing or sitting in the walkways. Then, the grass end zone was completely full by halftime....PARKING IS HORRIBLE at SMU. No parking spaces at all around the stadium.........you have to park blocks away and walk to the stadium. The one big parking lot is 3 blocks awaw and it was DART transit parking lot. That got full so then people have to find houses and parking lots that people charge money to park at. We got there 2 hours early and when we got to the stadium the homeside was already full one hour before the game was even to start. We got to sit on the 15 yard line on the SLC side.

There was easily at least 35K there....... and if it had been at a better venue with parking.... .TCU, Texas Stadium, or The Cotton Bowl......it would have drew alot more people.

I know alot of people didn't go because it was on TV and everyone knows how bad the SMU campus is.

[WrongPerson]

Yeah, the SLC fans are extremely used to winning big at home. However, when the games get close when the playoffs come, the SLC fans are as great as any.

Did you see the 55,000 screaming fans in November last year?

No I didnt, but for some reason I doubt it was louder than the 35k in November of '05..or the 31k in '01(?).

[Yellow_Jacket06]

Why would SLC do that? It would be a major step down in quality of competition, atmosphere, crowd size, national exposure, etc., etc., etc.

A MUCH BETTER option would be for an Ohio team to come to Texas so we could show you what a real showcase game is all about.

Overall I believe that You can find more "Quality" Football programs in Ohio then Texas. Granted the size differential of the States, Texas should have alot more "Strong Tradition Programs" but We always end up hearing about the same handful of Schools every season like Katy and SLC. Ohio is DEEP with "Tradition". St. X, Elder, Colerain, St. Ignatius, St. Edward, Moeller, Cleve. Glenville, Massillion, Canton McKinley the list goes on and on for Ohio D1, and you don't even want to start with smaller division schools like Cardinal Mooney, Steubenville, Ursuline, Walsh Jesuit, Cleve. Benedictine, I could go on forever about "Consistent Strong Programs" in Ohio.

[Chicago]

By the way, based on how the last shot went, a major step down in national exposure might be a good thing.

[pied]

Overall I believe that You can find more "Quality" Football programs in Ohio then Texas. Granted the size differential of the States, Texas should have alot more "Strong Tradition Programs" but We always end up hearing about the same handful of Schools every season like Katy and SLC. Ohio is DEEP with "Tradition". St. X, Elder, Colerain, St. Ignatius, St. Edward, Moeller, Cleve. Glenville, Massillion, Canton McKinley the list goes on and on for Ohio D1, and you don't even want to start with smaller division schools like Cardinal Mooney, Steubenville, Ursuline, Walsh Jesuit, Cleve. Benedictine, I could go on forever about "Consistent Strong Programs" in Ohio.

It's been slow, so I'll play.

Do you ever think that you only hear of a handful of programs because you are in Ohio? Do you think many Texas fans know more than a handful of schools from Ohio? Many could probably name Colerain/St. X some older ones might know Massilon/Moeller and that's where it would probably end.

I'll go ahead and throw out some othre programs DEEP with Tradition.

Odessa Permian
Midland Lee
Abilene
Abilene Cooper
Amarillo
Arlington
Arlington Lamar
Duncanville
Dallas Carter
Lake Highlands
Allen
Plano
Plano East
SLC
Grapevine
Lewisville
Marcus
Trinity
L.D. Bell
Lufkin
Tyler Lee
Longview
SL Willowridge
Aldine
Aldine Eisenhower
Deer Park
Katy
Alief Elsik
Humble
Converse Judson
Austin Westlake
Smithson Valley

Is that enough? I can go to the small schools as well:

Celina
Tyler John Tyler
Stephenville
LaMarque
Brownwood
Wichita Falls
Sherman
Sealy
Cuero
Breckinridge
Gilmer
Daingerfield
Commerce
Mart
Iraan
Refugio
Italy
Pilot Point

I could pull out my Dave Campbell's and get some more.

[PhillyBomber]

Yawn....when you hit the 40,000 mark like the 2005 X-Colerain game, I'll come...till then :shrug:

[SLCDad]

Yawn....when you hit the 40,000 mark like the 2005 X-Colerain game, I'll come...till then :shrug:

Are you kidding? Are you really going to attempt to debate Ohio attendance vs. Texas attendance? Good luck. You'll need it. We all saw the disappointing Herbie attendance numbers in 2006 and 2007.

How about the 55,000+ at the 2006 SLC/Trinity game?

Does that help?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu5_YBr2Njs&mode=related&search=

[Chicago]

I'm waiting for Consumerman to say: Does that include the guy who called for the fake punt?

[Bordertown]

Yawn....when you hit the 40,000 mark like the 2005 X-Colerain game, I'll come...till then :shrug:

Where was that game played and is there a newspaper source?

[WrongPerson]

Paul Brown Stadium, and i cant find one

[naughty]

A few facts about the 32,000 who attended the MNW/SLC game:

1. It was the largest regaular season attendance in Texas history.

2. It was the largest crowd all-time that ANY Florida team has ever played in front of.

3. It was THREE OR FOUR TIMES the size of the attendance at any Herbie game.

4. With the exception of the 2006 Florida state final game which had 24,000 attend, it was DOUBLE the largest crowd ever in Florida.

5. It was probably in the middle of the Top 10 crowds to watch a SLC game.


All maybe true but #2 and #4. am pretty sure there was a Soul Bowl Game Played between Miami Northwestern and Miami Jackson that got way more then 32,000 fans. I maybe wrong but if i am then oh well. On the chance that i am its good our florida team broke some records and whipped up on the dragon boys from southlake.

[naughty]

It's been slow, so I'll play.

Do you ever think that you only hear of a handful of programs because you are in Ohio? Do you think many Texas fans know more than a handful of schools from Ohio? Many could probably name Colerain/St. X some older ones might know Massilon/Moeller and that's where it would probably end.

I'll go ahead and throw out some othre programs DEEP with Tradition.

Odessa Permian
Midland Lee
Abilene
Abilene Cooper
Amarillo
Arlington
Arlington Lamar
Duncanville
Dallas Carter
Lake Highlands
Allen
Plano
Plano East
SLC
Grapevine
Lewisville
Marcus
Trinity
L.D. Bell
Lufkin
Tyler Lee
Longview
SL Willowridge
Aldine
Aldine Eisenhower
Deer Park
Katy
Alief Elsik
Humble
Converse Judson
Austin Westlake
Smithson Valley

Is that enough? I can go to the small schools as well:

Celina
Tyler John Tyler
Stephenville
LaMarque
Brownwood
Wichita Falls
Sherman
Sealy
Cuero
Breckinridge
Gilmer
Daingerfield
Commerce
Mart
Iraan
Refugio
Italy
Pilot Point

I could pull out my Dave Campbell's and get some more.

:eek: Florida, Cali, and Ohio, Penn., Alabama. All those states could do the same, so what are you really proving besides the fact that you can name texas teams with good history.:shrug:

Florida

Orlando Edgewater
Apopka
Manatee
Lakeland(Two Time National Champ)
Lake Gibson
Kathleen
Naples
Glades Central
Mimai Northwestern
Carol City
Miami Southridge
Coral Gables
Booker T. Washington
Tampa Chamberlain
Seffner Armwood
Pine Forest(Two Time National Champ)
Tallahassee Godby
Tallahassee Lincoln
Tallahassee Leon
Pensacola
Pensacola Washington
St.Aug
Daytona Beach Mainland
Brandenton Southeast
St.Thomas Aquinas
Kathleen
Winter Haven
Naples
Vero Beach
Venice
Escambia
Pensacola Washington
Hardee
Monsignor Pace
Bartow
Haines City
Sarasota Booker
Pace
Niceville
Lake City Columbia
Tampa Hillsborough
Palm Bay



Small Schools

Chaminade Madonna College Prep
Pahokee
Jacksonville Bolles
Raines
Ribault
Fort Meade
Glades Day
Clewiston
North Florida Christian
Aurburndale
Port St. Joes
FAMU
American Heritage
Cardinal Mooney
Madison County
Lafayette Mayo
Union County
Froostproof
Immokalee
Chiefland
Blounstown
Trinity Christian

As you can see all power states and other states have thier known power programs. Some in florida date back many years.

[Chicago]

Edgewater doesn't.

I sat through 1-9 and 1-9, back to back.

The team they beat the first year finished 0-10, and then went 6-4 or something the next year.

And the team they beat the second year went 0-10.

Rough.

[naughty]

Edgewater doesn't.

I sat through 1-9 and 1-9, back to back.

The team they beat the first year finished 0-10, and then went 6-4 or something the next year.

And the team they beat the second year went 0-10.

Rough.


What are you talking about. Edgewater has had many many state title game showings.

[Chicago]

They don't go back many years, though.

Unfortunately.

[naughty]

They don't go back many years, though.

Unfortunately.

to bad i said many of these programs. Did i say every single one of these teams are 50 or more years old i dont think so. One thing is for sure. Edgewater is a top florida team year after year. Been to many state title games. Had consective showings in the last 5 years. And are always in the race for the north division. So they are a traditionally strong program by all means. The whole school is not that old but they are a basketball and football power in the 6a class. But you can thow them out if you want i dont care. You know the have only been to the playoffs every year since 2001 and has had 3 consective state title game showings.

[Chicago]

They should be included.

It is just amusing to see how good they have been recently since they were terrible back when I was watching them.

[pied]

:eek: Florida, Cali, and Ohio, Penn., Alabama. All those states could do the same, so what are you really proving besides the fact that you can name texas teams with good history.:shrug:

As you can see all power states and other states have thier known power programs. Some in florida date back many years.

I don't disagree with that at all. The point was made that you only hear about a "handful" of Texas programs, vs. the many with DEEP Tradition in Ohio.

Your statement is accurate, although from FL, outsiders would prbably be stretching to name many teams outside of MNW/Lakeland/perhaps BTW. It doesn't mean there are not many that fit the bill.

[Bordertown]

Yawn....when you hit the 40,000 mark like the 2005 X-Colerain game, I'll come...till then :shrug:

"The huge crowd (announced at 35,000) Saturday at Paul Brown Stadium (home to the NFL's Cincinnati Bengals) was stunned, happily so on the blue-clad St. Xavier side and numb on the red-clad Colerain side." - USA Today, 11-13-05

Nice crowd I agree, but not 40,000. Given the Herbie attendance, I thought the number was inflated. I believe it was a second round playoff game similiar to the 50,000 that saw SLC vs Trinity.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/football/2005-11-13-ohio-battle_x.htm

[Mr. Umpire]

The huge attendance at Paul Brown Stadium that day was a bit over 47,000 people but it was for a double header if I remember correctly. So that was a combined attendance for both games.

FYI, In the small state of KY, Lou Trinity just lost to Lou St X in front of 37,550 at Papa John Stadium this past Friday night!

[Bordertown]

I understand the 55,000 was part of a multi-game day at Texas Stadium. SLC v Trinity was the first game. Anyone buying a ticket before halftime was credited to SLC v Trinity and folks arriving at the next game were credited to the following game. It is likely the number of buns in the stands exceeded 55,000 for the second half.

My count on the Paul Brown crowd was from a reputable source. My experience has been that most folks are not very good at estimating a crowd.

[SLCDad]

I understand the 55,000 was part of a multi-game day at Texas Stadium. SLC v Trinity was the first game. Anyone buying a ticket before halftime was credited to SLC v Trinity and folks arriving at the next game were credited to the following game. It is likely the number of buns in the stands exceeded 55,000 for the second half.

My count on the Paul Brown crowd was from a reputable source. My experience has been that most folks are not very good at estimating a crowd.

There were two games at Texas Stadium that day. Pretty much all of the 55,000 fans came to watch Trinity/SLC. Because of MASSIVE traffic problems outside of the stadium many fans didn't get into the stadium until the 3rd quarter. Some fans who wanted to see the Trinity/SLC game waited for over two hours in traffic and then gave up and went home. It was the worse traffic mess that I have EVER seen at any level. The stadium and the local police were totally unprepared for 55,000 fans at a high school game.

[UncleBaldy]

Are you kidding? Are you really going to attempt to debate Ohio attendance vs. Texas attendance? Good luck. You'll need it. We all saw the disappointing Herbie attendance numbers in 2006 and 2007.

How about the 55,000+ at the 2006 SLC/Trinity game?

Does that help?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu5_YBr2Njs&mode=related&search=

I'm trying to understand the point that you are trying but I'm have a little trouble. Why do you consistently like to compare the attendance at interstate Texas games against the attendance of the Herbie which has teams coming in from as far away as Florida, Oklahoma, California, Alabama, South Carolina, etc., indicating that it is representative of Ohio. Does it ever occur to you that the attendance for interstate Ohio games is significantly higher than the Herbstreit or is that beyond your comprehension.

Also, using your argument and line of reasoning I could conclude that Kentucky football is more popular because the Louisville St. X - Louisville Trinity game had an attendance of 35,700 which was higher than the MNW-SLC game crowd that you indicate.

Could it be that you need the help?

[SLCDad]

I'm trying to understand the point that you are trying but I'm have a little trouble. Why do you consistently like to compare the attendance at interstate Texas games against the attendance of the Herbie which has teams coming in from as far away as Florida, Oklahoma, California, Alabama, South Carolina, etc., indicating that it is representative of Ohio. Does it ever occur to you that the attendance for interstate Ohio games is significantly higher than the Herbstreit or is that beyond your comprehension.

Also, using your argument and line of reasoning I could conclude that Kentucky football is more popular because the Louisville St. X - Louisville Trinity game had an attendance of 35,700 which was higher than the MNW-SLC game crowd that you indicate.

Could it be that you need the help?

Come on Baldy, let's bet honest here.

The Herbie games are interstate games with teams coming from hundreds of miles to play Ohio teams. Most of the games only drew a few thousand fans. Even StX/DeMatha drew around 10,000. I believe the highest attended game was 15,000. Those numbers aren't impressive.

Now look at intrastate rivalries. You mention Lousiville StX vs. Lousiville Trinity that drew 35,700. A similar game in Texas (SLC vs. Trinity) drew 55,000+.

If you look at regular season games it's common for Texas teams to draw 10,000-15,000 on a regular basis. Many teams draw that many fans every week. If you look at high school stadiums, no state is even close to Texas. The stadiums in Texas are large because they are needed. There are around 75 high school stadums in Texas that seat 10,000 or more and at least a dozen that seat 16,000 to 23,000.

Now look at the playoffs. SLC has played in front of crowds in the 25,000-35,000 range 20 times in the last few years alone.

Obviously, fan support doesn't mean anything about the quality of football on the field. However, when it comes to attendance, Texas is king.

[concha]

Come on Baldy, let's bet honest here.

The Herbie games are interstate games with teams coming from hundreds of miles to play Ohio teams. Most of the games only drew a few thousand fans. Even StX/DeMatha drew around 10,000. I believe the highest attended game was 15,000. Those numbers aren't impressive.

Now look at intrastate rivalries. You mention Lousiville StX vs. Lousiville Trinity that drew 35,700. A similar game in Texas (SLC vs. Trinity) drew 55,000+.

If you look at regular season games it's common for Texas teams to draw 10,000-15,000 on a regular basis. Many teams draw that many fans every week. If you look at high school stadiums, no state is even close to Texas. The stadiums in Texas are large because they are needed. There are around 75 high school stadums in Texas that seat 10,000 or more and at least a dozen that seat 16,000 to 23,000.

Now look at the playoffs. SLC has played in front of crowds in the 25,000-35,000 range 20 times in the last few years alone.

Obviously, fan support doesn't mean anything about the quality of football on the field. However, when it comes to attendance, Texas is king.

A few observations:

1) You continue to ignore the fact that attendance at the Herbie, in addition to drawing teams from around the nation, was held on a sweltering weekend in Cincinnati that had major pay-to-get-in and pay-to-park football events going on for three straight days (Friday hs football + Bengals, Saturday Herbie, Sunday Herbie). Also, a major holiday event was held on Sunday in Cincy that draws over half a million people every year. Trying to compare that to a relatively comfortable weekend in Dallas with nowhere near the football events is village-idiot silly.

2) In addition to the above, you are talking about an event in Texas that has roughly 3x the population to draw from.

3) In addition to the above, schools like St. X are not associated with a community and are much smaller than the big Texas publics. X and Elder have 2,500 kids between them (not much more than SLC alone) and have put 35k plus butts in seats. Oh, but I forgot, women don't attend football games in Texas. How silly of me. Forget this one....


It is easy for Texas to point to attendance and thump its chest. You have giant public schools, some of whom are actually very good at football. For example, when two teams from schools with 3k to 5k each students meet, just how do you compare that with attendance at a game between the likes of X-Elder at significantly less than 3k students between them? Stop acting like you are comparing equivalent situations and the only difference is that Texans are much bigger and better football fans. You've got bigger schools, your best schools are co-ed and for major events, you have them at cities several times the size of those in Ohio.

This attempt to pump up Texas and poo-poo Ohio is ed.

[consumerman]

I'm trying to understand the point that you are trying but I'm have a little trouble. Why do you consistently like to compare the attendance at interstate Texas games against the attendance of the Herbie which has teams coming in from as far away as Florida, Oklahoma, California, Alabama, South Carolina, etc., indicating that it is representative of Ohio. Does it ever occur to you that the attendance for interstate Ohio games is significantly higher than the Herbstreit or is that beyond your comprehension.

Also, using your argument and line of reasoning I could conclude that Kentucky football is more popular because the Louisville St. X - Louisville Trinity game had an attendance of 35,700 which was higher than the MNW-SLC game crowd that you indicate.

Could it be that you need the help?

nice post

he will try any angle to make Texas (amd himself) look superior, even attendance

that is the classic sign of an inferiority complex

[Bordertown]

A few observations:

[QUOTE]1) You continue to ignore the fact that attendance at the Herbie, in addition to drawing teams from around the nation, was held on a sweltering weekend in Cincinnati that had major pay-to-get-in and pay-to-park football events going on for three straight days (Friday hs football + Bengals, Saturday Herbie, Sunday Herbie). Also, a major holiday event was held on Sunday in Cincy that draws over half a million people every year. Trying to compare that to a relatively comfortable weekend in Dallas with nowhere near the football events is village-idiot silly.

The weather 9/1 in Cincy was 86. Weather in Dallas on 9/15 was 88. Lets call it a draw.

From what I saw the ticket prices were comparable and I suspect the parking was also. Both were held in similiar venues. Call it a draw.

Cowboys were on the road, but Bengals were a preseaon game played on Friday. Texas also had high school games on Friday. I would think the "special event on Sunday" would help the attendence on Saturday. I think the 500,000 in town would offset the Bengal game. Let's give Ohio credit for 5000 seats.


2) In addition to the above, you are talking about an event in Texas that has roughly 3x the population to draw from.

Roughly yes. But the facility Gerald Ford Stadium was a smaller venue than Nippert. You are limited by your facility. If the game was at Texas Stadium maybe there would have been 40,000 to see one game.

3) In addition to the above, schools like St. X are not associated with a community and are much smaller than the big Texas publics. X and Elder have 2,500 kids between them (not much more than SLC alone) and have put 35k plus butts in seats. Oh, but I forgot, women don't attend football games in Texas. How silly of me. Forget this one....

Any comparison I have made in comparing the two events have been to the big day at Nippert (on Saturday) with the hoopla of Colerain vs Hoover. Was that not the premier matchup? As I read the schedule Colerain, Elder, Moeller, & LaSalle are all Cinci teams. Yes many are all male schools, but most male schools have a sister school. The attendance per the USA Today on Saturday were comparable. The difference was the Nippert attendance was for 4 games not 1. If you take the average attendance of the 4 games it was slightly higher than 8,000. by the way I doubt the heads of the two schools you mention would disagree they are not associated with the community. I have never seen a private school that did not try to promote itself in the community.


It is easy for Texas to point to attendance and thump its chest. You have giant public schools, some of whom are actually very good at football. For example, when two teams from schools with 3k to 5k each students meet, just how do you compare that with attendance at a game between the likes of X-Elder at significantly less than 3k students between them? Stop acting like you are comparing equivalent situations and the only difference is that Texans are much bigger and better football fans. You've got bigger schools, your best schools are co-ed and for major events, you have them at cities several times the size of those in Ohio.

I do not see this as chest thumping. The fact is SLC has an enrollment of approximately 2,200 kids. We are comparing two similiar events (promoted national profile high school matchups). We are not talking about Plano vs Plano East (your argument makes sense in that situation). SLC is one school in the DFW metroplex versus 4 Cinci schools whose enrollment totals 3,822. This does not included the 3261 young ladies enrolled at Cinci girl schools. I am quite certain at least 1500 of the young ladies are "sister schools". My experience with Catholic schools is the classrooms are same sex, but the social activities are coed. If that wasn't the case the Catholic Church would not have a shortage in priests.

This attempt to pump up Texas and poo-poo Ohio is ed.

And vice versa.

[Plaindriver]

A few observations:

1) You continue to ignore the fact that attendance at the Herbie, in addition to drawing teams from around the nation, was held on a sweltering weekend in Cincinnati that had major pay-to-get-in and pay-to-park football events going on for three straight days (Friday hs football + Bengals, Saturday Herbie, Sunday Herbie). Also, a major holiday event was held on Sunday in Cincy that draws over half a million people every year. Trying to compare that to a relatively comfortable weekend in Dallas with nowhere near the football events is village-idiot silly.

2) In addition to the above, you are talking about an event in Texas that has roughly 3x the population to draw from.

3) In addition to the above, schools like St. X are not associated with a community and are much smaller than the big Texas publics. X and Elder have 2,500 kids between them (not much more than SLC alone) and have put 35k plus butts in seats. Oh, but I forgot, women don't attend football games in Texas. How silly of me. Forget this one....


It is easy for Texas to point to attendance and thump its chest. You have giant public schools, some of whom are actually very good at football. For example, when two teams from schools with 3k to 5k each students meet, just how do you compare that with attendance at a game between the likes of X-Elder at significantly less than 3k students between them? Stop acting like you are comparing equivalent situations and the only difference is that Texans are much bigger and better football fans. You've got bigger schools, your best schools are co-ed and for major events, you have them at cities several times the size of those in Ohio.

This attempt to pump up Texas and poo-poo Ohio is ed.



Perhaps Dad's 'little buddy' and friends from that Nebraska dinner table made up the other half of the crowd?

Reference this: http://www.yappi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=151591

[btango]

Several years ago while doing some research I found old newspaper articles and quotes in books that dealt with national games for the Asheville HS team led by two time Heisman runnerup Charlie "Choo Choo" Justice. They played in Atlanta and a couple of times in Florida. They played at the Orange Bowl against Miami HS in 1940. The crowd was listed at over 30,000. Do not have the data now so I cannot cite it. Had also heard of other crowds between Miami schools that nearly filled the old stadium that has undergone expansions since then.

In NC it was common in the 1940-1970's to have large crowds in the 12,000 plus range for games in Charlotte. As the new schools opened and the city grew and got pro sports franchises the enthusiasm dropped. I would say in the the same time period that metro Miami teams drew some huge crowds.

[Chicago]

http://www.ihsa.org/activity/fb/records/agen.htm

Under "Attendance."

How do you like them apples?

[WildcatCrusader]

A few facts about the 32,000 who attended the MNW/SLC game:

1. It was the largest regaular season attendance in Texas history.

2. It was the largest crowd all-time that ANY Florida team has ever played in front of.

3. It was THREE OR FOUR TIMES the size of the attendance at any Herbie game.

4. With the exception of the 2006 Florida state final game which had 24,000 attend, it was DOUBLE the largest crowd ever in Florida.

5. It was probably in the middle of the Top 10 crowds to watch a SLC game.

32,000 is nothing the 2005 Plano vs. Southlake qaurter final game had 45,000

[pied]

http://www.ihsa.org/activity/fb/records/agen.htm

Under "Attendance."

How do you like them apples?


If memory serves wasn't the highest attended football event ever the college-NFL all star game at Soldier Field?

[btango]

I have been to all three Herbs and also to a South Lake game. I have been disappointed with the att. at the Herb but the school spirit of the Cinci participants fans is off the hook. St X was extremely impressive both years.

SLC draws well but I did not see the same type of spirit that the Catholic school kids had. Think Duke Cameron Crazies. SLC opponent had very few fans on their side and they are a neighboring town/school.

Valdosta Georgia was an impressive place to see a game but I understand it is not up to the old standards.

[concha]

I have been to all three Herbs and also to a South Lake game. I have been disappointed with the att. at the Herb but the school spirit of the Cinci participants fans is off the hook. St X was extremely impressive both years.

SLC draws well but I did not see the same type of spirit that the Catholic school kids had. Think Duke Cameron Crazies. SLC opponent had very few fans on their side and they are a neighboring town/school.

Valdosta Georgia was an impressive place to see a game but I understand it is not up to the old standards.

I found the X student section's chant of "Stick... to... Crab...cakes!" at the DeMatha game to be hysterical.

[btango]

Regarding the weather if you could get to the shade when a breeze was blowing it was bearable. The press box was absolutely terrible and most people who had seats on the lower level right at the glass left the seats. Absolutely no tinit on the glass or shade and the AC sucked. UC needs to pick it up a little.

[fish82]

http://www.ihsa.org/activity/fb/records/agen.htm

Under "Attendance."

How do you like them apples?

That's some pretty sick numbers right there. :thumb:

[concha]

Regarding the weather if you could get to the shade when a breeze was blowing it was bearable. The press box was absolutely terrible and most people who had seats on the lower level right at the glass left the seats. Absolutely no tinit on the glass or shade and the AC sucked. UC needs to pick it up a little.

Shady areas were few and far between. And packed. I don't recall any breeze.

[SLCDad]

SLC draws well but I did not see the same type of spirit that the Catholic school kids had. Think Duke Cameron Crazies. SLC opponent had very few fans on their side and they are a neighboring town/school.

When I saw StX on TV I was impressed with the spirit of their students. The crowd was small for such a big game, but the students were great.

ALL of the schools (six other schools) in SLC's district are neighboring tows/schools. None are more than 10 miles away. The stadium shared by two of the schools is 1/2 mile from the SLC stadium.

I'm not sure which school you watched SLC play but most bring several thousand fans. Most of the neighboring teams have never beaten SLC or they haven't won for many years so it's tough to get excited. SLC hasn't lost a district game in 7 years.

[RidgePride]

SLC draws well but I did not see the same type of spirit that the Catholic school kids had. Think Duke Cameron Crazies. SLC opponent had very few fans on their side and they are a neighboring town/school.


I am going to have to call BS on this one.
Please tell me which game you saw of SLC. I have been to no less than 20 of SLC regular season games and have NEVER seen a game where there were very few fans on the opponent side.

Only two teams in the district do not draw well and that is Haltom and Richland. Even they will bring a couple housand fans though.

[Bordertown]

Those Illinios numbers before television are impressive. What do they draw today at the Illinios State Championships?

[Chicago]

A whole lot less.

I don't have numbers. And I've never gone.

One big problem is that ALL of 8A and most of 7A is from Chicago or suburan Chicago. All the playoff games are in Chicago and suburban Chicago, and then the finals are in Champaign.

That does not help matters much.